Time Nick Message 01:02 Brooke kia ora 01:02 chris hiya Brooke 01:02 Brooke :) 01:41 * Brooke waves to druth 01:42 * druthb waves back at Brooke. :) 01:49 * Brooke is coming dangerously close to messin' with Tejas. 01:49 druthb :P mess with 'em. 02:20 * Brooke ponders the meaning of life in the monastic resonation of #koha. 02:22 * ibeardsle was about to look up our local council library for either the Monty Python movie or HHGTTG .. but remembered 'we' use a non-koha system 02:23 Brooke are you not automated at all? 02:23 druthb Pie Iesu domine, 02:23 * druthb whacks herself in the forehead. 02:23 ibeardsle there would be no "monastic resonation of #koha" with a system that wasn't koha 02:23 druthb dona eis requiem 02:23 * druthb whacks herself in the head again, and shambles back to her corner. 02:23 Brooke yeah but I wouldn't have to ponder the meaning of life 02:24 Brooke cause someone would say summat :P 02:30 chris god damned wiki spammers 02:31 Brooke get im! 03:16 wasabi more w0w gold, or ugg boots? 03:16 chris stock crap 03:29 kmkale good morning all 03:32 chris hi kmkale 03:32 kmkale hi chris 03:40 Amit heya all 03:40 chris hi amit 03:40 Amit heya chris 03:40 Amit chris: R u coming to india for worldcup 03:41 chris nope 03:50 kmkale hi Amit 03:50 Amit heya kmkale 05:20 ronald hi koha, can anyone point me to why i tried the links from my catalogue search and got this "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 1219"? 06:27 ebegin I was asked a question today for which I don't know the answer... (believe it or not ;) ) 06:28 ebegin Can a user search Koha in a form : Title starting with __________ 06:30 kmkale In Staff client search if I search a Author's name with Author as phrase I get results but If I search it with Personal Name I dont get any results. What is wrong? 07:18 Oak \o 08:25 paul_p good morning #koha ! 09:01 slef @later tell Brooke Not sure which one you mean, but OK. 09:01 munin slef: The operation succeeded. 09:20 cirbirian hello everyone 09:20 cirbirian greetings from spain 09:21 cirbirian I´m newbie with Koha and I´ve a doubt about cataloguing using Z39.50 09:21 cirbirian I try to catalogue this book: "General Theory of Lie Groupoids and Lie Algebroids" 09:22 cirbirian y pick on z39.50 Search 09:22 cirbirian write the Title, choose LOC Z39.50 09:23 cirbirian and when I import the book, there is not title 09:23 cirbirian there is not author 09:23 cirbirian also there is not date 09:24 cirbirian why? 09:24 cirbirian the author appears in field 100.a (General Proceesing Data) 09:25 cirbirian can you helpme 09:33 kf good morning #koha 09:48 slef cirbirian: are you a unimarc library? 09:48 slef @marc 100 a 09:48 munin slef: Personal name A surname and/or forename; letters, initials, abbreviations, phrases, or numbers used in place of a name; or a family name. 09:49 slef you see, that's 100$a in MARC21 and LOC uses MARC21. If you use unimarc, LOC is not sending useful data. 09:50 slef cirbirian: greetings by the way. One of my colleagues is in Spain, but not here now. 09:50 wasabi lol, ah yeah… welcome to your daily marc-wtf :) 09:50 wasabi heya cirbirian 09:51 wasabi go spain!! :) 09:51 wasabi go xercode!!! 09:52 slef wasabi-- 09:53 wasabi oops, sorry - i thought cirbirian was from spain 09:54 wasabi oh, he is :-P 09:54 slef cirbirian is, but the co-op serves spain too... and I'm trying to help... but if cirbirian is a xercode customer, why ask here? 09:55 slef Koha vendors do not carve up the world along national borders 09:55 wasabi lol, i didnt say he was.... 09:55 cirbirian hello again 09:55 cirbirian yes 09:55 cirbirian i´m from spain 09:55 cirbirian in almeria 09:55 cirbirian now it´s rainning a lot! 09:56 slef @wunder almeria, Spain 09:56 munin slef: The current temperature in Almeria, Spain is 10.0�C (10:30 AM CET on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 09:56 wasabi im just a xercode fan, coz they donated to kohacon2010…. thats all.. :) 09:56 cirbirian friends, I´ve to go now 09:56 cirbirian but in 30-45 mins I´ll back again 09:56 wasabi i really appreciated their guesture 09:56 wasabi cool, cya cirbirian 09:56 slef wasabi: we offered. Not taken up in the end. 09:57 cirbirian see you later 09:57 wasabi ahh, click 09:58 slef but hey, we're bidding for kohacon11, although I think Nepal may win 09:59 wasabi hey… its still fine for a guy to come to #koha, as ask a Q tho... 10:00 wasabi … regardless of who she/he works for/with 10:00 wasabi wasabi++ 10:00 munin wasabi: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 10:01 slef yeah, but it makes me wonder if their vendor is not supporting their clients 10:02 wasabi perhaps he's just a proactive problem solver, like the rest of us :) 10:02 wasabi hey… thats why im' 'always-on' on #koha too ;) 10:03 wasabi well, and the weather updates too! , lol 10:03 kf wasabi++ 10:03 kf slef: I support uk - although it might be a little egoistic 10:04 wasabi all good.. nepal sounds *very* exciting too!! 10:04 * wasabi wonders what the vege-type food is like in nepal… 10:04 wasabi ive no idea... 10:05 slef wasabi: oh yeah, for sure. But don't assume everyone in Spain buys from xercode or everyone in the US buys from ByWater... it upsets me ;-) 10:06 wasabi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_cuisine 10:06 wasabi w0w, looks good! 10:07 wasabi slef: i didnt assume that before tho :) 10:08 wasabi i just said ," yay spain, yay xercode", thats all …. 10:08 wasabi no assumptions there :) 10:08 slef wasabi: well, randomly cheering a competing vendor while I'm here helping is a bit upsetting. 10:09 wasabi lol, programmers... 10:09 slef kf: do you mean egoistic or selfish? 10:09 slef kf: either way, thank you for your support :) 10:09 wasabi slef: yep, you are right there, sorry... 10:11 slef wasabi: np 10:11 wasabi and good spotting on the marc21/unimarc too 10:12 wasabi i didnt twig to it :/ 10:12 kf slef: can you explain the difference? 10:13 wasabi hmm, they are pretty similar to me 10:13 slef kf: I think egoistic means self-pleasing (not in a bad way), whereas selfish means concerned with one's own needs (not necessarily in a bad way, but often is) 10:15 wasabi ah, yeah there is a diff 10:15 wasabi selfish is not concerned with others 10:16 wasabi egotistical is *only* concerned with self 10:16 wasabi but basically the same thing, said in two ways ? :) 10:18 wasabi nepali food, via google -> http://bit.ly/gXcu0a 10:19 slef wasabi: I think pleasure against needs is a different emphasis. 10:19 wasabi wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_6368_nepali_food.jpg 10:19 slef @quote add <wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_6368_nepali_food.jpg 10:19 munin slef: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 10:19 wasabi *nod* nice point 10:19 slef munin: swine! 10:19 munin slef: Error: "swine!" is not a valid command. 10:20 wasabi me try!! 10:20 wasabi @quote add <wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_6368_nepali_food.jpg 10:20 munin wasabi: The operation succeeded. Quote #119 added. 10:20 wasabi . 10:20 wasabi oooh, worked :) 10:21 wasabi @quote 119 10:21 munin wasabi: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "119" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. 10:21 chris @quote get 119 10:21 munin chris: Quote #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_6368_nepali_food.jpg" (added by wasabi at 10:22 AM, January 27, 2011) 10:22 wasabi lol, ta :) 10:22 wasabi the pig has some bbq sauce on it?!? 10:23 wasabi its quite 'reddish' of color 10:27 chris 2,270 10:29 chris bout the same to the UK 10:30 chris india wins for the cheapest of the 3 to get to 10:30 kmkale :) 10:30 chris for me anyway 10:31 chris altho, i will be in vancouver 10:31 kmkale KohaCon without chris? 10:32 kmkale lets hope not 10:33 chris http://access2011.library.ubc.ca/ <-- presenting here 10:34 chris so might make sense to fly to kohacon from there, then home, of course then i will be away from the family for a while .. will have to figure it out 10:35 kmkale no clash of dates there :) 10:36 kmkale And we will take good care of you. Send you back refreshed ;) 10:48 chris right bedtime, someone else can take over deleting spam 10:48 * chris wanders off 11:00 Ropuch Hello #koha! 11:38 kf hi Ropuch :) 11:38 kf nice to see you! 11:38 kf wasabi, slef: sorry phone calls 11:39 Amit heya kf 11:39 kf hi Amit 12:00 Ropuch Hi kf [; 12:00 Ropuch Hello Amit 12:00 Amit heya Ropuch 12:27 nengard hello from under the snow 12:28 cirbirian hello people 12:28 druthb g'mornin. 12:28 kf hi nengard and druthb :) 12:29 cirbirian why when I try to make a search, the OPAC says: An Error has Occurred 12:29 cirbirian Error 404 12:29 cirbirian I´ve catalogued a book 12:29 cirbirian and when I try to make its search I get that error message 12:30 wasabi cirbirian: check your apache error.log 1st, alwayzz 12:33 nengard hi kf 12:33 cirbirian I´ve been playing with frameworks 12:34 cirbirian yesterday I created a framework 12:34 cirbirian and catalogued 1 book 12:34 cirbirian with that framework 12:34 cirbirian today I installed the FAST ADD framework 12:34 cirbirian and deleted the one I created yesterday 12:35 cirbirian I do not know if that has something to do with the error in the search 12:36 wasabi yeah, probably ;) 12:36 cirbirian so what can I do? 12:36 wasabi you can test that by loading in your old frameworks, 12:36 cirbirian thanks to god I´m just trying 12:37 cirbirian my I deleted the old framework 12:37 cirbirian but I deleted.. 12:37 wasabi the one from your backup, before you did the framework change, etc... 12:37 cirbirian i think the problem is bigger 12:37 cirbirian because if I catalogue 1 book with the new and actived framework (FAST ADD FRAMEWORK) 12:38 cirbirian the book doesn´t appear in the search 12:38 cirbirian I get the same 404 error 12:38 wasabi yep, check that error log 12:39 cirbirian it´s strange 12:39 wasabi start your testing on a system, before you change/break it 12:39 cirbirian the error log only show logs until 26 january 12:40 cirbirian yes 12:40 cirbirian koha is installed in a laptop 12:40 kf cirbirian: are your cronjobs configured for reindexing? 12:40 cirbirian for testing purposing 12:40 kf and you should always keep the default framework, even if you are not using it 12:41 cirbirian yes it´s keeped 12:41 cirbirian I don´t use it 12:41 cirbirian <kf> what is cronjobs? 12:41 wasabi yeah, start the install again... 12:41 wasabi take a backup, get the search working 12:42 wasabi then start fiddling 12:42 cirbirian I´m lost :( 12:42 cirbirian should I reinstall again Koha? 12:43 wasabi yeah, def. 12:43 cirbirian ok 12:43 cirbirian I promise I won´t delete any framework 12:43 cirbirian nevermore 12:43 wasabi then a mysqldump backup... 12:43 cirbirian friends I´ve to go to launch 12:44 cirbirian I´ll be back around 14:30 PM (in Spain) 12:44 wasabi choose zebra option 12:44 druthb hi, jwagner 12:44 cirbirian thanks 12:44 wasabi and dev install 12:44 kf cirbirian: the cronjobs do the indexing 12:44 kf so you can search 12:44 kf and remove deleted titles from the index 12:44 jwagner hi druthb and all 12:44 kf I think part of your problem sounds like indexing problems 12:45 cirbirian I think if I reinstall again I should not get that errors 12:45 cirbirian and I´ll be more careful 12:45 wasabi cirbirian: you shouldnt need to make *any* changes after a fresh install to create/import and bib 12:45 wasabi and search successfully for the bib 12:46 cirbirian ok 12:46 wasabi so concentrate on that 1st 12:46 cirbirian reinstall then 12:46 cirbirian I go 12:46 cirbirian See you later 12:46 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 12:47 wasabi read that 1st 12:47 wasabi re: cronjobs 12:56 kmkale I have author name in 100$a MARC21. In Staff client if I search a Author's name with Author as phrase I get results but If I search it with Personal Name I dont get any results. What is wrong? 12:59 wasabi personal-name is 600$a in marc21 13:00 wasabi and works for me, on 3.2.3 13:01 kmkale thanks wasabi Will try it 13:02 wasabi search for personal-name here http://head.kohaaloha.com 13:02 wasabi search on 'gra' 13:03 wasabi http://head.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=31 13:03 wasabi 600 10 - SUBJECT ADDED ENTRY--PERSONAL NAME Personal name Grant, Alexander 13:03 kmkale @marc 100 a 13:03 munin kmkale: Personal name A surname and/or forename; letters, initials, abbreviations, phrases, or numbers used in place of a name; or a family name. 13:04 kmkale @marc 600 a 13:04 munin kmkale: Personal name 13:04 kmkale humph!! 13:04 wasabi lol, daily marc-wtf ;) 13:05 kmkale ;) 13:05 wasabi kmkale: pass, im not really a cataloger :/ 13:05 ebegin good morning 13:06 kmkale good morning ebegin 13:06 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 13:06 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is -6.0�C (7:00 AM EST on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 13:06 kmkale me too wasabi 13:06 ebegin Getting hotter :) 13:07 wasabi kmkale: its a confusing search, i think 13:07 ebegin Is there a way to search without the left truncation in order to have a kind of "Search title starting with _____" 13:08 kmkale wasabi: MARC is confucing I think :) 13:09 wasabi most people dont realize they are ?only? searching the 6xx fields on a 'personal-name' search 13:10 kmkale ebegin: is there a way to search for middle part of a word? for example search for xam in 'example'? (does it even make sense to search like that?). I just had this query from a librarian :( 13:12 wasabi ebegin: pass on that one 13:14 wasabi kmkale: whew.. looks like a personal-name search is widered than just the 6xx stuff 13:14 wasabi fields 100, 400, 600, 700, 800 13:15 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/ccl.properties;h=e8f124bdd39c714d7f3845768238ba1a7fc60238;hb=HEAD#l533 13:15 wasabi wider 13:18 ebegin kmkale, I think koha should find that 'xam' in example... 13:19 kmkale its not doing it on my catalogue right now. 13:21 kmkale so for personal name the cataloguer has to choose which of the *00$a is right for the item type s/he is cataloguing is that it? 13:21 * gmcharlt wonders about that - it's not like 'xam' has any linguistic meaning all by itself 13:22 druthb kmkale: the type of item doesn't have much to do with it. + 13:22 gmcharlt ebegin: do you know what search the librarian is trying to do for real? 13:23 druthb The field to choose has to do with the relationship between the person named, and the item. 100, if the person is the primary author, 700, if they are an added or partial author...600, if the book is *about* them as a subject, and so on. 13:23 kmkale so they just put the personal name in all fields 100, 400, 600, 700, 800? 13:23 wasabi kmkale: a cataloger knows which field to chose, 1xx or 6xx, etc 13:23 kmkale oh 13:23 wasabi lol, no 13:23 ebegin gmcharlt, find all documents starting by "Reports" for instance 13:23 kmkale but then when in staff we search on personal name and name as phrase it s bit confusing IMHO 13:23 druthb catalogers spend a ton of time learning this stuff. Incredible detail can go into those records. 13:24 wasabi if in doubt, *i* would just choose one 13:24 jcamins I can confirm that it makes a huge difference which x00 field is chosen. 13:24 jcamins And, good morning. 13:24 kmkale good morning jcamins 13:24 druthb g'morning, jcamins! 13:24 ebegin gmcharlt, and they doesn't want all document containing the word "reports" 13:25 gmcharlt ebegin: thanks for clarifying - that kind of search (start of phrase or heading) is a little different from the 'xam' example 13:26 kmkale i guess there is a reason why that kinda search is only there in staff interface. Library staff are suppoed to intuitively understand thye diference? 13:26 ebegin gmcharlt, I agree. Basically, it to remove the left truncation... Is this possible? 13:27 gmcharlt ebegin: in principle; I'd have to work out the details 13:27 ebegin (I would have to add an option in the advanced search, of course 13:27 wasabi kmkale: not intuitively , but yes, understand 13:28 kmkale Good for them ( And me. Now I can tell them "You are supposed to know this!!" ;) ) 13:28 wasabi those 'power-user' options confuse patrons, so are hidden by default, i assume 13:30 jcamins kmkale: just so you know, corporate name searches don't work properly at the moment. 13:30 jcamins There's a bug in the indexing. 13:30 jcamins I'll be submitting a patch. 13:31 wasabi kmkale: if in doubt with searching, turn the debug up , and watch the log 13:32 wasabi you can see the query being built, and sent to zebra , etc 13:32 wasabi so you then know what zebra indexes are being searched 13:32 kmkale I dont want to be the one telling the librarians this MARC stuff. They are supposed to tell me!! But here the public libraries are so under funded, they never have qualified staff. 13:34 wasabi teach them to use irc, they can ask themselves :) 13:35 wasabi seriously, its a novel idea 13:36 kmkale Yup. Wherever we go with granthalaya.org we try. VPM librarians help in training them. 13:37 wasabi an always-on #irc channel of experts is something no other $ILS-VENDOR could offer 13:38 kmkale :) wasabi good idea. Get them on #koha. Its the friendliest channel I know :) 13:38 jcamins @later tell cait I'm looking at Marcel de Rooy's patch for bug 5622. A) It's really cool! B) if you added a test for leader19='c' for the "Set" label, would that meet your needs? 13:38 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:06 owen tcohen here? 14:06 tcohen yeap 14:07 owen There's instructions on the wiki on how to sign off on a patch, but you need someone else to sign off on yours 14:07 tcohen perfect 14:07 tcohen i'll check it out 14:12 owen tcohen: How do you test Bug 4903? 14:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4903 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, OAI doesn't work out of the box - XSL path 14:12 tcohen PKP Harvester on http://catalogo.biblio.unc.edu.ar 14:13 owen Let me rephrase that :) 14:13 owen How do *I* test the bug? 14:13 tcohen on unpatched installs retreival fails and logs say a (wrong) path to the xsl file doesn't exist 14:14 tcohen owen: i don't get it 14:14 owen How can I confirm the bug on my own local installation 14:15 tcohen the problem arises on a 'standard' install, when trying to retreive records 14:15 tcohen via OAI 14:15 tcohen it works as-is on a dev install, but not a standard one 14:19 * owen has a dev install, so I can't help 14:19 kmkale yippe on Ubuntu 11.04 I only had to install one perl module Locale::Currency::Format from CPAN. And Storable to get the required version :) 14:19 owen Anyone know what Koha is doing when it searches "Publication Date (yyyy)" ? 14:20 owen The results page says "'yr,st-numeric:" 14:20 owen But the results are not limited to the year I'm searching 14:22 sekjal owen: pubyear: 008/7-10, indexed in year,word,num,sort indexes 14:22 sekjal (from record.abs) 14:24 owen In my search for "2010" the first hit I get is a 2008 record 14:25 jcamins_a owen: Really? 14:26 owen Honest :) 14:26 jcamins_a I just tried it in your catalog and it worked right. 14:26 chris_n refresh my very short memory: where do we setup the library hours of operation? 14:28 owen jcamins: I'm trying this in my test installation 14:28 jcamins owen: oh. 14:28 jcamins Right. 14:29 jwagner chris_n, Tools, Calendar 14:29 jcamins Mis-cataloged? 14:29 owen jcamins: What test did you try in our live catalog? Was it in the OPAC? 14:29 jcamins Yes. 14:30 jcamins Are you in the staff client and getting different results than the OPAC 14:30 chris_n jwagner: yes, but this assumes the library is open from midnight to midnight 14:30 hdl hi all 14:30 chris_n hi hdl 14:31 jwagner chris_n, sorry, didn't read the "hours" part closely enough :-) 14:31 chris_n :) 14:31 owen jcamins: I'm trying an advanced search, choosing "Publication Date (yyyy)" from the dropdown 14:31 hdl chris_n: I don't think it is defined somewhere. 14:31 paul_p hello american ppl ! 14:31 * chris_n figures he will just setup the cronjob to calc overdues at the hour the library closes... 14:31 jcamins Ohhh. 14:31 chris_n hi paul_p 14:32 jcamins That dropdown has issues. 14:32 paul_p owen, do you have a few minut to spend on #5575? your comment 23 does not clearly show wether there is something to do still 14:32 paul_p (at least I don't know if I have something to do ;-) ) 14:33 jwagner chris_n, will that work for overdues? It's looking for the date the item is due, so doesn't it have to be run after midnight? 14:34 owen The advanced search on Publication Date (YYYY) is constructed differently than the OPAC's "Publication date range" search 14:35 jwagner There are one or more bug reports on the pubyear search, aren't there? 14:35 chris_n jwagner: I think you are right there... I didn't think of that 14:35 chris_n seems there may be a needed enhancement lurking here somewhere 14:36 owen paul_p: I haven't had time to work on that in a few days. I think that right now there isn't anything I'm waiting to hear from you about. 14:36 owen I do want to do more testing. 14:36 jcamins owen: I can confirm there's a bug, but I have no idea what it is. 14:36 paul_p owen, any timeline for those testings ? 14:37 paul_p (owen: did I tell you I *really* appreciate the time you spend on our branches) 14:37 owen Sorry, no 14:37 owen paul_p: I would much prefer to be testing your stuff today, but other stuff is taking precedence. 14:49 pastebot "kmkale" at 59.181.126.113 pasted "make test errors" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/126 14:50 kmkale Anyone can give me a hint on this? ^ ^ 14:57 kmkale I am getting a bunch of "DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha-dev.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /home/kk/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 480." in make test. 14:57 kmkale is that normal? 15:02 sekjal kmkale: what's your PERL5LIB environment variable? 15:04 Nate hello #koha! 15:05 kmkale sekjal: its unset presently. Fresh install 15:06 sekjal kmkale: and you can log into your koha-dev database? 15:06 kmkale sekjal: yes 15:06 sekjal hmmm 15:06 kmkale no tables there 15:07 sekjal I remember something about an error where the make test tries to use the database before the database is created... not sure if/when that got solved 15:13 wizzyrea yes, that still happens afaik 16:02 briceSanc hello all 16:02 briceSanc do you remember ? : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4501 16:02 munin 04Bug 4501: critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Duplicate budget broken 16:03 briceSanc is there an update about this bug ? What was the initial code used to duplicate a budget ? Do i need to build a new code ? 17:39 paul_p time to go back home for me. Some guests for dinner. Thanks for the constructive thread on koha-devel. 17:48 chris morning, can someone go back in time to 5am when i woke up, and stop atarau from poking me in the eye? 17:50 sekjal chris: my TARDIS is still on order 17:51 sekjal should arrive anywhere from 10 years ago to next century... hard to say 17:51 gmcharlt that's the problem with TARDISs - if you actually take delivery of one, you can get it to yourself earlier - but nobody has gotten to that point yet 17:52 chris hehe 17:53 owen Assuming you're in an episode that allows travel back within your own timeline </nerd> 17:53 gmcharlt true, avoiding an explosion that destorys the universe on redelivery is an issue 17:53 owen Actually there isn't a </nerd> big enough to stop all my nerdiness. 17:54 chris hehe 17:54 chris you just need caps 17:54 chris </NERD> 17:54 gmcharlt whatever you do, do NOT shake hands with yourself 17:54 chris fixed 17:54 sekjal I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits 17:55 gmcharlt @quote add <sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits 17:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #120 added. 17:55 chris_n git revert last-mistake 17:55 chris in that case 17:55 chris git reset HEAD^ 17:55 chris git stash 17:55 chris there now i have an eye poke stashed for when i need it 17:56 chris_n hehe 17:56 owen I'd love to hear the story that demands its application! 17:59 chris you never know 17:59 chris maybe the next time i try to sit through a bad movie 18:00 chris git stash apply 18:00 chris 'argh, now i have to go put a cold cloth on my eye, upside i dont have to watch the rest of this crap' 18:42 cait hi #koha 18:42 cait jcamins: around? 18:43 nengard koha newsletter published 18:44 cait hi nengard++ 18:44 cait crazy day 18:44 cait but got a rfid reader for testing :) 18:57 chris @wunder wellington 18:57 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found. 18:57 * druthb returns, well-fed 18:57 chris @wunder wellington, nz 18:57 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 18:58 chris Its gotta be at least 17 now 18:59 ibeardsle mmm morning coffee 18:59 cait hi chris 18:59 cait hi druthb :) 18:59 cait hi ibeardsle 19:00 nengard @wunder 19030 19:00 munin nengard: The current temperature in CWOP # AR939, Penndel, Pennsylvania is 0.7�C (2:02 PM EST on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). 19:00 chris Heya cait 19:01 chris Thanks for the newsletter nengard 19:01 nengard np 19:01 indradg chris, got a few mins? 19:01 chris For you, of course 19:02 indradg :) 19:02 chris I'm on the bus tho, so using my phone 19:16 cait jcamins++ 19:19 chris OK my stop bbiab 19:21 sekjal has anyone tried the bulk patron image uploader recently? 19:21 cait never 19:25 gmcharlt sekjal: three or four months ago 19:31 chris back 19:31 chris not recently no sekjal 19:36 chris ohh this freaking rocks 19:36 chris http://www.esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=141 19:36 Brooke kia ora 19:38 owen congrats on the new Koha libraries gmcharlt 19:39 hdl good evening 19:39 owen Who owns ".kohacatalog.com" ? 19:39 cait what says whois? 19:40 ibeardsle Equinox Software Inc 19:40 gmcharlt owen: see http://kohacatalog.com/ for statement 19:40 gmcharlt owen: and thanks 19:40 chris they have a good policy 19:40 chris oh gmcharlt beat me 19:41 owen Awesome gmcharlt, I hadn't seen that before. 19:41 owen Much better than the verbal assurances Josh gave years ago about *.kohalibrary.com 19:41 owen (especially given the track record of other similar assurances) 19:42 * gmcharlt is just waiting for somebody to ask for mylibrary.kohacatalog.com literally 19:42 chris ill have it 19:42 chris there you go 19:42 chris :) 19:42 gmcharlt chris: heh 19:42 * chris has enough domains .. it would be cool to see that one used tho 19:49 Brooke gmcharlt, don't beat chris unless he asks nicely. 19:49 * Brooke ducks. 19:50 * druthb tries to picture that, and, thankfully, fails. 19:50 chris he'll have to wait until ALA 19:50 chris he missed his chance in october ;) 19:50 owen Nice to see mbreeding tweet about a #koha library that's real #koha. 19:50 chris it is :) 19:51 chris good retweet from ibeardsle this morning 19:51 chris http://twitter.com/#!/ibeardslee/status/30701260151721984 19:52 owen :D 19:52 gmcharlt Brooke: how do you know that he didn't? ;) 19:53 Brooke tee hee 19:56 * Brooke shivers just thinking about Alberta during this time of year. 20:11 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:11 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (9:00 PM CET on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 20:11 jwagner cait, since you've appeared :-) -- Bug 5664 20:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5664 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Bug with memberofinstitution and creating Organizational patrons 20:11 jwagner What we were talking about yesterday. 20:11 * cait hides 20:11 druthb @wunder 20852 20:11 munin druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 0.1�C (3:10 PM EST on January 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). 20:11 jwagner No, you don't have to do anything -- just letting you know it's there. 20:12 cait ok :) 20:12 cait crazy day, will read a bit later and thx :) 20:13 Brooke awww 20:13 * Brooke hands cait a cookie. 20:14 * jwagner hands cait a cup of hot cocoa to go with it 20:17 cait hehe thx 20:17 cait :) 20:28 Brooke moon over my spammy! 20:28 Brooke Koha Tikanga 20:28 Brooke As with any culture, understanding Koha etiquette takes time, effort, and practice. If you are unsure about your conduct, seek out the Kaitiaki. 20:28 Brooke The community is larger than any individual or any vendor. We are related and intertwined. Enthusiasm and fun nourish the project. 20:28 Brooke There exists a white space of balance between the black of the developers and the red of the librarians. The pattern is harmonious and code absent all three is devoid of meaning. 20:28 Brooke We build upon the work of the past, while seeking innovative twists. We aren't afraid to break from the pack if it means a better product for our users and their patrons. 20:28 Brooke Call things as you see them. Constructive criticism is the fuel of innovation. Respecting another's mana and keeping discourse welcoming to newcomers is the lifeblood of the project. 20:28 Brooke We pride ourselves on pairing high quality craftsmanship with unmatched accessibility. In the words of MJ Ray "The professionals have really messed stuff up for the artisans." 20:28 Brooke While financial support is a fine fuel for development, alternatives are present. Professionals are paid in coin; artisans derive satisfaction from the work itself. 20:29 chris psst use the paste bot 20:29 chris http://paste.koha-community.org/ 20:29 Brooke yeah I shoulda 20:29 Brooke I gots no excuse. 20:29 druthb too late! 20:30 Brooke @munin roulette 20:30 munin Brooke: Error: "munin" is not a valid command. 20:30 ibot i already had it that way, munin. 20:30 Brooke @roulette 20:30 munin Brooke: *click* 20:30 Brooke munin said it's fine. 20:30 munin Brooke: Error: "said" is not a valid command. 20:32 cait @roulette 20:32 munin cait: *click* 20:32 Brooke :) 20:32 Brooke can't shoot Cait. 20:32 chris Brooke++ 20:32 chris i like it 20:35 sekjal hmm, the snow and ice have ripped down the neighbours' awning 20:35 sekjal glad no one was under it when it went 20:37 chris yikes 20:38 sekjal some absolutely wicked looking icicles hanging right above it all, too... next door is a perilous place to live, apparently 20:39 owen I've known some people who lived next door, but I've never lived there myself. 20:40 jwagner owen, that's unneighborly of you! 20:41 * owen_ is now an unwitting neighbor to himself. 20:41 Brooke tschuss 20:42 cait :) 21:19 hdl @roulette 21:19 munin hdl: *click* 21:20 chris you are safe hdl .. buy a lottery ticket :-) 21:21 hdl being virtually killed is not really exciting ;) 21:21 druthb @roulette 21:21 munin druthb: *click* 21:21 chris heh 21:31 cait @roulette 21:31 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 21:31 cait :( 21:31 cait munin: it's not nice to shoot the person that gives you cookies! 21:31 munin cait: Error: "it's" is not a valid command. 21:31 cait who gives you... 21:32 * druthb gets out the first-aid kit for cait 21:37 * jwagner decides to hang it up for the day.... 21:37 jwagner G'night all. 21:38 cait hm good plan, I have a book about sheep to read 21:38 jwagner baaaaaa 21:41 chris cait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ecg5P0u7Bo 21:42 cait scary 21:43 cait can't find my book in english on amazon - it's a sheep thriller 21:43 cait first volume is: http://www.amazon.com/Three-Bags-Full-Sheep-Detective/dp/0767927052/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1 21:43 druthb sheep detective. that's different. 21:46 cait reading time -bye all! 21:57 sekjal alrighty, time to brave the ice and snow 21:57 sekjal goodnight, #koha 21:57 hdl good time 22:06 chris what time is it in california? 22:22 ibeardsle http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=137 22:23 wizzyrea be safe sekjal 22:23 wizzyrea it'll be... 2pm 22:23 wizzyrea 2:25 22:24 chris so the web seminar thingy is nearly finished 22:24 chris http://www.califa.org/edgylibrarian.php 22:55 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2010.pl 22:55 chris havent read it yet 23:20 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/survey-2010-product-report.pl?CurrentILS=Koha+--+Libriotech 23:20 chris magnus aces it