Time Nick Message 03:37 Brooke kia orda 03:37 chris hi Brooke 03:37 * Brooke salutes Chris. 06:22 chris Evening 06:50 CIA-1 Koha: 03oleonard 07new/bug_5650 * rv3.02.00-592-gb69ad9d 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fix for Bug 5650, item type page key wrong 06:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5650 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, item type page key wrong 06:56 CIA-1 Koha: 03jcharaoui 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-593-g1fc16ea 10/misc/translator/LangInstaller.pm: Bug 5506 Fix installation of prefs translations in standard installs 06:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5506 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Translation Process Simplification 06:58 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5506 Fix installation of prefs translations in standard installs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fc16ea5431eba97b7562a94e6493249d4e700f7> / Fix for Bug 5650, item type page key wrong <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b69ad9de3e41f0ef280c10b50b1ea62f228f3f2a> 07:00 hudsonbot Starting build 321 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #319 1 day 0 hr ago) 07:06 CIA-1 Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-594-g7d87094 10/docs/history.txt: History updated 07:08 munin New commit(s) kohagit: History updated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d87094fc84a88584af72f27e10509b2ef5416de> 07:09 CIA-1 Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-595-g7f47715 10/docs/history.txt: Adding Jerome Charaoui to the history docs, 130 people have code in Koha now 07:18 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding Jerome Charaoui to the history docs, 130 people have code in Koha now <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f4771588e08dc418d304f249efad03dde67fdbb> 07:25 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed! 07:25 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #321: FIXED in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/321/ 07:25 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5650, item type page key wrong 07:25 hudsonbot * Jerome Charaoui: Bug 5506 Fix installation of prefs translations in standard installs 07:26 hudsonbot Starting build 322 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 07:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #322: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/322/ 07:53 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: History updated 07:53 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding Jerome Charaoui to the history docs, 130 people have code in Koha now 08:22 kf good morning #koha 08:22 chris heya kf 08:26 kf hi chris 08:48 kf guten morgen magnus :) 08:48 magnus god morgen, kf! 08:50 kf are you back now? 08:56 magnus nope, i'm in Drammen today, the town where i grew up - then two days of conference in oslo (to talk for 15 minutes about why MARC must die...) and *then* home ;-) 09:02 chris how did your presentation go? 09:02 * kf waves to jransom 09:06 magnus hiya jransom! 09:07 magnus chris: didn't get time to do the presentation 09:07 magnus but i did get to talk to some finns and swedes about koha - there seems to be quite a bit of interest in both countres 09:08 magnus the finns have one or maybe two projects that are going to look at koha, i'm gonna investigate further 09:10 jransom hiya all 09:13 magnus wassup, jransom! 09:14 kf jransom: your blog post confused me! :) 09:16 chris magnus: good news 09:17 * wasabi o 09:17 magnus chris: yup - they have almost a monopoly situation i think, at least for public libraries, and some of them are quite eager to look for alternatives, i think 09:17 * magnus o/ 09:18 wasabi o/ \o 09:18 wasabi high-five! 09:18 magnus hehe 09:19 jransom yeah i know - i was a week early :D 09:19 jransom it confused Chris too 09:19 kf and I was not awake :) 09:19 wasabi magnus: sounds like some nice opportunities for you, over there.... 09:24 magnus wasabi - might be, i'm keeping my eyes open... ;-) 09:25 jransom smiles at wasabi 10:03 wasabi heya jo 10:04 wasabi chris: fyi, i still need to add the db-update bit, to my ratings code,,, 10:05 wasabi i forgot that bit.., :0 10:06 wasabi but 1st, some food :) 10:07 magnus would that be the star ratings? 10:07 wasabi yeah, that stuff 10:08 magnus cool! 10:10 wasabi https://github.com/KohaAloha/koha/tree/3.02.03-ratings 10:10 wasabi if you're curious, etc… 10:15 jransom good night all - i'm off to bed 10:15 kf good night jo 10:35 magnus @wunder drammen, norway 10:35 munin magnus: The current temperature in Drammen, Norway is -5.8�C (11:35 AM CET on January 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). 10:37 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:37 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.2�C (11:35 AM CET on January 26, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). 12:43 paul_p hello #koha waiting for my plane at Lille airport to go back home 12:43 paul_p (lille = far north of france, marseille far south !) 12:44 jwagner Hope you're having better travel weather than we are, today. Safe travels! 13:07 kf paul_p: safe travels 13:07 paul_p hello kf ! 13:08 paul_p I've time, my plane is in 4 hours. Working at a comfortable desk, with powerplug, 3G internet, 13:10 kmkale hi kf 13:10 kmkale hi paul_p 13:19 kf hi kmkale :) 13:20 kf paul_p: at the airport? wow .) 13:20 kmkale busy? 13:21 paul_p kf yep, it's a small airport, with 25 planes per day, maybe 30. So only a few ppl, only 8 sits on a desk, but only 1 person atm : me :D 13:22 kf :) 13:26 druthb I like those small airports--the one where I used to live ran about 5-10 airplanes a day, but had free wifi and (in the mornings) free coffee and juice and donuts. :) 13:42 kmkale hi druthb 13:43 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 13:43 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -13.0�C (8:27 AM EST on January 26, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: N/A%. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: (Falling). 13:43 druthb hi, kmkale. 13:46 paul_p wow, -13°C ! 13:46 paul_p @wunder lille, france 13:46 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Lille, France is 5.0�C (2:30 PM CET on January 26, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 13:47 paul_p better ;-) 13:58 kf oh, the problem irakli describes on the list would explain a problem we have seen with broken umlauts in callnumbers 14:00 ebegin paul_p, we got a -27 earlier this week... 14:01 paul_p brrr... I prefer +27, no doubts ! 14:02 ebegin Me too :) 14:03 ebegin brb 14:26 briceSanc hello all ! 14:29 briceSanc I've a problem: I have a user with catalogue,acquisition,serials and reports permissions. He is unable to change the budget in the page /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/neworderempty.pl?booksellerid=1&basketno=26&biblionumber=2 14:30 sekjal kf: your new bug, 5659. I think I've figured that one out, if its the same underlying cause as bug 3577 14:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3577 normal, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Barcode.pl does not cater variable length branch codes in hbyymmincr format 14:30 briceSanc Everytime, koha show a dialog : Name of the library (Set) | systech2 (Log Out) | [ ? ] 14:30 briceSanc I think there is a permission problem !? 14:36 cirbic hello everybody 14:36 cirbic greetings from spain 14:37 cirbic i´m a new librarian user of KOHA 14:37 kf sekjal: that's great 14:37 cirbic can I make some questions to you? 14:37 cirbic i feel i´m lost in something 14:37 kf hi cirbic - greetings from Germany .) 14:37 cirbic somethings 14:38 sekjal cirbic: please do 14:38 cirbic thx 14:38 sekjal kf: would you be willing to test my patch? 14:38 kf sekjal: our branch codes are the ISILs in all branches, so we have alphanumeric with hyphens 14:38 kf sekjal: of couse, send it along 14:38 sekjal kf: what address is best? 14:39 kf send to my work mail 14:39 sekjal kf: gotcha 14:39 Barrc Hello - A quick question regarding 3.2. Is it possible to restrict certain tag being shown until a user logs into OPAC. Say, an 856 tag link that the site don't want viewable to the public, only to authenticated users? 14:40 sekjal Barrc: not at this time... but it could be developed 14:40 Barrc Pitty - does it sound like an easy thing to develop? I might give it a bash myself! 14:41 sekjal Barrc: it's not trivial, but one way would be to have two different XSLT displays for the OPAC, one for logged in users, the other for the general public 14:42 sekjal this could be part of a larger development that allows the library to upload their own XSLTs 14:42 cirbic i work here www.psa.es 14:42 cirbic and i work in a specialised library 14:42 cirbic before koha I used Microsoft Access 14:43 Barrc sekal: I see. OK, I will take a tentitave look and see how it hangs together....thanks 14:43 cirbic but now We have made a new building for the Library 14:43 cirbic and now there are 5 consulting computers 14:44 cirbic so we´ve decide to try KOHA 14:44 cirbic (before there was not any OPAC) 14:44 cirbic well, its possible only to catalog with some fields? 14:44 cirbic or better said 14:44 kf cirbic: please write koha or Koha - the upper case version is a red flag for some of us ;) 14:45 cirbic Is it possible to catalog without using any MARC format? 14:45 cirbic only author, title, etc 14:46 kf cirbic: you will always have marc in the database, but you can only use a few fields 14:46 cirbic I´ve got a database with 1841 items but the database is not in Marc format 14:46 kf cirbic: you can limit to author, title and such and not work with authorities 14:47 kf filling in some of the coded fields makes sense though - for example the search for publication year needs a year in one of those fields 14:47 cirbic as I used Microsoft Access I made myself database: register number, title, author, edition, etc 14:49 cirbic I have made a new MARC Framework 14:49 cirbic and tried to delete fields I don´t need 14:50 cirbic but there are a lot of fields 14:50 cirbic is that the way I´ve to do it?= 14:50 cirbic ? 14:51 wizzyrea I wonder if the sample data's fast add framework would help you cirbic? 14:51 wizzyrea it's pretty stripped down 14:52 cirbic and where is that framework? 14:52 wizzyrea it might be easier to add what you need to it rather than take away what you don't need 14:52 * magnus was just thinking the same thing ;-) 14:52 wizzyrea when you ran the web installer for koha you would have seen an option to install it 14:52 * wizzyrea doesn't know how you would go about adding it after the fact 14:52 cirbic mmmmm 14:53 briceSanc I've a permission problem: I have a user with catalogue,acquisition,serials and reports permissions. He is unable to change the budget in the page /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/neworderempty.pl?booksellerid=1&basketno=26&biblionumber=2 .Everytime, koha show a dialog : Name of the library (Set) | systech2 (Log Out) | [ ? ] 14:53 cirbic I´ve to ask to computer department 14:53 briceSanc (2nd try :D) 14:53 cirbic (they made the installataion in a server) 14:53 wizzyrea briceSanc: the page is blank? 14:54 briceSanc no 14:54 wizzyrea well blank except for the header? 14:54 kf cirbic: there are sql files in the installer/data/mysql/... folder, one of it is the FA framework 14:55 magnus cirbic: fast add framework is here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql;h=45c2fda06f4f3ea4e89341762b0e532ced61f1a8;hb=HEAD 14:55 cirbic (and they had a lot of time because they had to compile the files; they installed it on debian) 14:56 briceSanc wizzyrea, no i have all the interface but when i change the budget, Koha says over the page : Name of the library (Set) | systech2 (Log Out) | [ ? ] 14:56 cirbic ok 14:56 magnus cirbic: if you download it as marc21_fastadd_framework.sql you can get it into Koha with this command, on the commandline: mysql -u [your koha user] -p < marc21_fastadd_framework.sql 14:56 * wizzyrea should have thought that something like that was possible 14:57 magnus cirbic: of course kf is right, you can find that file among the Koha files you get when you download it 14:57 cirbic thanks 14:57 cirbic i´ll print this conversacion and give them it 14:57 cirbic conversation 14:57 magnus cool! ;-) 14:58 wizzyrea briceSanc: perhaps you need editcatalogue 14:58 wizzyrea permissions 14:58 wizzyrea but I haven't tested that 14:58 briceSanc ok i try 14:58 wizzyrea (i'm trying to duplicate your situation :)) 14:58 cirbic where should I find some manuals to learn more about Koha? 14:59 kf documentation? 14:59 ibot somebody said documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 14:59 briceSanc wizzyrea, thanks :) 15:00 cirbic I´have to go 15:00 cirbic thanks to everybody 15:01 wizzyrea ibot++ 15:02 briceSanc wizzyrea, it works with "editcatalogue" permissions, it's weird :S 15:02 wizzyrea woot! 15:02 wizzyrea well it seems kind of logical to me 15:02 wizzyrea catalogue is only to view the catalogue 15:02 wizzyrea if you want to edit anything, you have to have editcatalogue 15:02 * chris_n reports more item availability weirdness 15:02 wizzyrea acq and cataloguing are intertwined 15:03 briceSanc nope in the permissions ;) 15:03 wizzyrea right, not in the permissions :) 15:04 chris_n wizzyrea: is this the type of thing you were seeing: 15:04 chris_n http://oi56.tinypic.com/20gji9v.jpg 15:04 chris_n vs 15:04 briceSanc wizzyrea, thanks for your help ! 15:04 wizzyrea briceSanc: glad to be of service :) 15:05 chris_n http://oi52.tinypic.com/f83lx.jpg 15:05 chris_n the last item on the opac search screen shows no items available 15:05 chris_n yet the staff shot shows the item is available 15:05 * chris_n is rebuilding the zebra index to see if it goes away 15:05 wizzyrea oh thanks, i was trying to figure out which was the right one :) 15:06 wizzyrea yes, that is exactly like what we were seeing 15:06 * chris_n wonders if rebuild_zebra doesn't miss a lick on occasion 15:06 wizzyrea ^^ has wondered the same thing 15:07 wizzyrea but it seems it's happening more often 15:07 chris_n yikes! 15:08 wizzyrea we don't have a real working hypothesis on why it happens yet 15:09 kf happens here too 15:09 kf we scheduled a complete reindex now once in a while 15:09 wizzyrea AHA 15:09 * wizzyrea had a suspicion it was the index, as that's what fixed it for us "a full reindex" 15:09 wizzyrea i can't spell, so sorry. 15:10 wizzyrea or.. bother. 15:10 * chris_n groans 15:10 chris_n reindexing has now gone off to never-never land 15:10 * chris_n is tempted to give his zebra a whack 15:11 wizzyrea use a whip 15:12 * chris_n suddenly hears the angry chorus of librarian and patron voices off in the distance..... 15:13 wizzyrea do they not sleep? 15:13 chris_n hehe 15:13 wizzyrea oh wait its a college, right? 15:14 chris_n now, if I can only find the DND button on this desk phone.... 15:14 chris_n right 15:14 wizzyrea ELL OH ELL 15:14 wizzyrea :) 15:18 chris_n fixed 15:18 * chris_n 's anti-zebra bias has just been incremented by at *least* one 15:19 wizzyrea wow that was fast 15:19 chris_n well... we are only talking 10k items 15:20 chris_n kf: how often do you do a full reindex? 15:21 wizzyrea oh I just found more about the times we've seen it 15:21 wizzyrea instances go back at least 3 years 15:21 wizzyrea Basically a record will be re indexed when a status changes which can fix the problem or sometimes they can fix themselves so it's really hard to determine how this resolves itself. 15:21 wizzyrea so, if you checked it out and back in, it might fix it 15:21 wizzyrea if zebra missed it or system load caused it to not make it into the queue 15:22 chris_n ahh 15:22 wizzyrea or something else that Im not thinking of 15:23 wizzyrea but I do wonder about that: perhaps there is a systemic reason that an item after being checked in, would not make it into the zebraqueue? 15:23 wizzyrea maybe it's record didn't get written into the table? 15:29 kf chris_n: not sure - once a week or month 15:30 kf chris_n: would have to ask my coworker - it's quite new 15:30 kf and our libraries are pretty small - all around 50,000 biblios 15:30 wizzyrea yea ours takes hours and hours 15:30 wizzyrea it's an overnight maintenance thing 15:30 kf yeah, pretty fast for us 15:31 chris_n I'm thinking of scheduling one a month on saturday evening after closing 15:32 chris_n better would be to fix the problem, though 15:38 wizzyrea ya 15:46 rhcl Is the difference in electronic resource tags in the OPAC and staff client expected behavior? I/we strongly prefer having the tag. 15:46 rhcl http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/31/staffed.png 15:46 rhcl http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8453/opaced.png 15:46 rhcl plz to forgive klutzy image editing 15:48 Barrc SIP anyone!? The last part of the SIP2 string requires a checksum. Doesn anybody know how this is calculated? Seems to be doing a 2's compliment and taking last 16 bits unsigned. I just can't figure out what string it's doing it on - anyone know? 15:48 wizzyrea ping atz 15:49 Barrc huh? 15:49 wizzyrea atz probably knows the most about SIP of any of us 15:50 wizzyrea i was pinging him 15:50 Barrc I'm with you know - thanks 15:51 sekjal rhcl: looks like your staff client isnt using the XSLT display for results 15:52 rhcl well, ok, I'll contact my support team to get one of those. :) 15:55 wizzyrea it's in the sysprefs, you should be able to just turn it on 15:55 wizzyrea search xslt 16:01 kf rhcl: 856? 16:02 kf sekja: there is no xslt display for results 16:02 kf sekjal 16:02 kf in staff 16:02 kf you can turn it on - but there is none so it will stay all the same 16:03 kf for marc21 at least, it makes no difference if you turn it on or off 16:03 sekjal kf: really? I was sure I've seen that file... 16:03 kf details 16:03 sekjal wow 16:03 kf or the change is quite new 16:09 sekjal wow, thanks, kf, I didn't know that was missing. 16:09 sekjal weird 16:10 kf was about to check git 16:23 ebegin quick question. Koha doesn't warn me when a mandatory field is not filled. It usually pops a dialog, but not at the moment... any idea ? 16:24 kf pull down? 16:24 kf cataloging or acq? 16:24 ebegin cataloging 16:24 ibot cataloging is right 16:24 kf thx ibot 16:24 atz Barrc: checksumming is completely problematic. 16:24 kf is it a pull down? 16:24 kf like item type or branch? 16:24 ebegin non, it's when I'm saving a new record 16:24 kf is the field marked with a * 16:24 kf ah 16:24 ebegin yep 16:25 kf I noticed a problem with pull downs 16:25 kf not sure the bug is still open 16:25 atz the 3M "implementers handbook" describes a process but also makes representational assumptions about the underlying bit-depth and endianness of the values used 16:26 kf bug 3727 16:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3727 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, If item type is mandatory in marc editor, itemtype is autofilled 16:26 ebegin For example, I'm creating a new record, doesn't fill any information. Save the record. I usually get a message box telling me that the mandatory fields are empty. I don't get this message.. 16:27 atz Barrc: also, it refers to the "ASCII values" of a system we have now returning UTF-8 data. i.e., nonsense. 16:27 kf ebegin: which version? 16:27 ibot which version are you upgraing from ? 16:27 ebegin 3.0.6 16:28 atz Barrc: also, SIP2 doesn't actually require checksums for anything. it's configurable. after many months of wrestling w/ it (in EG's version of sipserver), I'm now against checksumming in SIP. 16:29 atz unless you happen to still be connecting with a 200-ft. serial cable (which is why it was included in the first place) 16:29 rhcl just getting ready to ask that... 16:30 atz notably, TCP/IP has built in error detection 16:30 ebegin did yahoo change the path to the yui ? 16:31 Barrc atz: so is there no need for it? 16:34 Barrc checksum is...... "is four ASCII character digits representing the binary sum of the characters including the 16:34 Barrc first character of the transmission and up to and including the checksum field identifier characters....... 16:34 Barrc But which characters is it! The string just sent or the on just received!!! Maybe I'll forget about it like you say! 16:42 kf ebegin: sorry, have never worked with 3.0.6 16:44 ebegin no problem... its the first time I have that kind of behavior and I didn't change anything in the code. I tried with IE, on another PC, an another install... and still have the same behavior. really wierd 16:45 atz Barrc: there is no technical need (in modern hardware) to use it. 16:45 Barrc atz: Thanks. I will gladly forget about it!! 16:46 atz it's calculated based on both strings sent and received. basically everything from the first character up to and including the "|AZ" is checksummed 16:47 atz obviously it wouldn't be of any value to calculate it on one side if it wasn't checked upon receipt 16:47 Barrc OK - and the sequence number. Is that required too? 16:50 atz i don't think koha or EG do much with it except logging. 16:50 atz you can send the same number each time w/o detriment 16:50 Barrc Great - thanks. 17:04 wizzyrea atz++ 17:04 wizzyrea ibot: forget cataloguing 17:04 ibot wizzyrea, I didn't have anything matching cataloguing 17:04 wizzyrea ibot: forget cataloging 17:04 ibot wizzyrea: I forgot cataloging 17:06 wizzyrea whoa, in issues, what's the difference between issuingbranch and branchcode? 17:06 wizzyrea (branchcode is populated, issuingbranch seems NULL?!) 17:07 sekjal branchcode is the borrowers branch.... or the items... hmmm, have to check 17:09 sekjal looks like it's the branch of the currently logged in staff user 17:10 wizzyrea ! 17:10 wizzyrea interesting that all of mine are null 17:11 sekjal branchcode, or issuingbranch, or both? 17:11 wizzyrea issuingbranch 17:11 jwagner Aw, darn. They captured the Library of Congress hawk: http://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2011/01/breaking-news-hawk-rescued-from-main-reading-room/ 17:11 jwagner I was rooting for the bird, myself! 17:11 wizzyrea branchcode is populated by the logged in user, in my db 17:11 wizzyrea apparently 17:11 * wizzyrea gives up on trying to decode that 17:11 * wizzyrea moves on 18:13 kf bye all :) 18:13 wizzyrea later kf 18:15 wasabi a random Q about koha version numbers, and updating…. 18:16 wasabi ok, so heres the latest commit for koha-3.2.3…. 18:16 wasabi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=571957ae1a1408f8e09b2de7740a42af59d9e4f8 18:17 wasabi i see chris_n incrementing the kohaversion number etc…. 18:17 wasabi - our $VERSION = '3.02.02.001'; 18:17 wasabi + our $VERSION = '3.02.03.000'; 18:18 wasabi so, my Q is 'what value should my 'Version' syspref be to trigger this update? 18:19 chris_n anything previous to whatever is present in your kohaversion.pl 18:19 wasabi well, heres the gotcha for me…. 18:19 chris_n iirc we compare the syspref value to the kohaversion.pl value and upgrade if the later is newer than the former 18:20 wasabi the numbering format for the sypref is in a difference format :/ 18:20 wasabi its currently '3.0300004' 18:20 chris_n yeah... that can be confusing 18:20 wasabi um, which is less or greater that '3.02.03.000' ? 18:21 chris_n you are on the master branch in that case 18:21 wasabi hell yes 18:21 wizzyrea ^^ 18:21 chris_n greater 18:21 chris_n ie 18:21 wizzyrea 3.03 is greater than 3.02 18:21 chris_n 3.0300004 > 3.0203000 18:22 wizzyrea we should ditch the leading 0 18:22 chris_n clear as mud yet? ;-) 18:22 wizzyrea officially 18:23 wizzyrea er, I suggest that we should ditch the leading 0 18:23 wizzyrea :P 18:23 wizzyrea so 3.02 becomes 3.2 18:23 wizzyrea because that's how we routinely refer to it anyway 18:23 wasabi oops, my mistake.. ive been fiddling with my version number 18:24 chris_n I think its to preserve the thought that we would not go from 3.99.00.000 to 3.100.00.000 18:24 chris_n which "could" be interpreted as 3.1 18:25 chris_n rather than 3.100 18:25 wizzyrea realistically, are we ever going to have that problem? 18:25 * chris_n quits trying to figure it out 18:25 chris_n probably not 18:26 chris_n it will be a bad day when we go 99 releases without a major change 18:26 wizzyrea esp since we do additional points for minor revisions instead of incrementing the middle version 18:26 chris_n kohaversion.pl explains the "logic" of the number 18:27 chris_n the kohaversion is divided in 4 parts : 18:27 chris_n - #1 : the major number. 3 atm 18:27 chris_n - #2 : the functionnal release. 00 atm 18:27 chris_n - #3 : the subnumber, moves only on a public release 18:27 chris_n - #4 : the developer version. The 4th number is the database subversion. 18:27 chris_n used by developers when the database changes. updatedatabase take care of the changes itself 18:27 chris_n and is automatically called by Auth.pm when needed. 18:28 wizzyrea yep that makes sense 18:28 wizzyrea i'd be super surprised if we ever hit a 3 digit functional release 18:28 chris_n but you're right... the placeholders probably don't matter 18:29 * chris_n too 18:29 wizzyrea maybe in 100 years, on major version numbers 18:29 wizzyrea ;) 18:29 chris_n 100 years doesn't seem as long as it used to 18:30 chris_n sort of like $100 doesn't seem much now either :) 18:30 wizzyrea windows is only version 7 18:30 wizzyrea :P 18:30 wasabi i prefer the dotted.quad format of koha-version 18:30 chris_n well when you have as much broken glass laying around as they do..... 18:31 chris_n besides, as I once heard: in a world without borders, who needs windows and who needs gates? 18:31 wasabi and would like to see it used consistently 18:31 chris place holders do matter 18:31 * chris_n really must go back to doing work 18:32 wizzyrea but it's confuuuuusing 18:32 wizzyrea :) 18:32 chris deal 18:32 chris_n are those 'u's placeholders? 18:32 wizzyrea no, they're emulating the tone my 3 year old would probably take :) 18:32 wasabi perhaps we just start to populate the syspref value as a dotted,quad in a later release 18:33 chris seriously .. no 18:33 * wizzyrea pouts 18:33 wizzyrea fine 18:33 wizzyrea ;) 18:34 chris the about page reports it right, just copy from there 18:34 chris if you are poking at the version number yourself, then if you cant do it right, thats a sign 18:34 chris STOP NOW 18:35 wasabi yes, thats fine for now... 18:35 wasabi but lets fix it in the future? 18:35 chris fix what? 18:37 wasabi the syspref 'version' value eventually becomes a dotted.quad format 18:37 chris yes, and no one should be manually messing with the syspref 18:37 wasabi like in kohaversion.pl , about.pl and updatedatabase.pl, etc 18:38 wizzyrea just curious why we have it editable? 18:38 * chris_n seems to recall that that syspref is not displayed in the new editor ? 18:38 * wizzyrea goes to look 18:38 chris yeah, its only in the old one 18:38 wizzyrea ah okies 18:38 wasabi fyi, you can... 18:40 wasabi agreed, editing your version in sysprefs is bad 18:40 wasabi … but checking there as a sanity check is good 18:40 chris_n editing the version number in syspref voids your warranty 18:41 wasabi and getting the version in the same format as your friendly about.pl page is reassuring 18:43 wizzyrea ^^ i agree with this 18:43 chris the compare then becomes more complicated 18:43 wasabi cool, thats my *only* point here :) 18:43 chris and since its done on every page 18:44 chris and in the scheme of things to work on .. i put it not even on the list 18:44 chris lets fix some real bugs .,.. or signoff some patches .. theres a crap load waiting 18:45 wizzyrea that's fair ^.^ 18:50 chris bus time 18:51 wasabi chris: i pushed up the ratings updatedatbase.pl stuff to github 18:51 wasabi https://github.com/KohaAloha/koha/commit/afc8de8c9466d3ede1feba7f9bfe12fefe4fd9d0#L4L3917 18:51 atz wizzyrea: editing the version number was useful for testing (and retesting) changes to updatedatabase 18:55 wasabi yeah, for testing that stuff, its waay useful 18:56 wizzyrea I grasp that 18:57 wasabi wizzyrea: say 'grok' girl... its cooler 18:57 wizzyrea lulz 18:57 wizzyrea I almost did 18:57 wasabi i grok that 18:57 wasabi see :) 18:57 wizzyrea hehe 19:03 chris Cool wasabi, will get it tested on master 19:04 chris Who all has an android phone here? 19:04 chris Go to the market 19:04 ibeardsle still early .. I saw that as '.. tasted on master' 19:04 chris Search for koha 19:04 wizzyrea me me oh me 19:05 chris The app can now login and place holds 19:05 wizzyrea nice! 19:05 chris You should try configuring it to point at nekls 19:05 chris (All in settings) 19:05 wasabi w00t, thats very exciting stuff 19:05 wizzyrea oh, will that work? 19:06 chris It should 19:06 wizzyrea blerg my phone has had a bit of a meltdown it seems 19:06 chris Its designed to work with any koha 19:06 wizzyrea oh there now it's fixed 19:08 wizzyrea oh brilliant! 19:08 chris Alan thought it now does enough for a beta 19:09 wizzyrea hmmm nekls returns no results 19:09 wasabi googling 'koha android' gives a bunch of results, too 19:10 wizzyrea !!! 19:10 wasabi good to see the word gets round quickly 19:10 wizzyrea it scans! 19:10 sekjal downloading Koha onto my Droid now 19:10 wizzyrea yo, that's pretty sweet 19:11 chris Kiritaki Koha eh sekjal? 19:11 sekjal yes 19:11 chris Kiritaki = client 19:16 chris To make it more useful i want to take something like the ils-di but bound to a single user 19:16 chris So an authenticated user can ask for data in json 19:16 chris Which will allow for other clients easily too 19:18 chris And easier integration with moodle/mahara etc 19:18 chris Course its highly unlikely I will have time 19:19 chris Unless I can find someone to pay for it 19:19 jwagner Anyone online who knows how syspref memberofinstitution is supposed to work? It says "If ON, patrons can be linked to institutions" 19:20 jwagner Reading the code, it seems that what it's looking for is any patron category with an Organizational code, but doesn't seem to work -- the pulldown in the patron record is empty. 19:21 chris My stop bbiab 19:23 wizzyrea do you have any organizational categories defined? 19:23 wizzyrea patron categories 19:24 jwagner Yes, two or three. It seems the option to set this only shows up if you're creating an organizational type patron. 19:24 jwagner But the pulldown should show the categories, shouldn't it? 19:24 jwagner I've never tried working with this one before. 19:25 wizzyrea hmm 19:25 wizzyrea I dont think I have either 19:25 jwagner All I can find in the manual is the description on the syspref, which doesn't help. 19:26 wizzyrea maybe you need a patron that's an organization 19:26 * wizzyrea goes to check 19:29 wizzyrea which pulldown in the patron record? 19:29 wizzyrea OH 19:29 wizzyrea wait 19:30 wizzyrea you don't see it when you're creating 19:30 wizzyrea but you do when you edit 19:30 wizzyrea how weird 19:33 wizzyrea soooo... where does one define the organization. 19:33 * wizzyrea investigates 19:34 cait hi #koha 19:36 jwagner wizzyrea, I didn't see contents in the pulldown when I was editing either. 19:37 wizzyrea mine's not so much a pulldown as a selectable list that isn't populated 19:37 chris chris_n: jinx! 19:38 jwagner chris, since you're back, do you know how that one is supposed to work? 19:38 chris i might have once, but cant remember 19:38 jwagner As near as I can tell from looking at the code, the contents of the pulldown should be any of the patron categories that are organizational type. 19:39 * jwagner is shocked that chris doesn't have an entire backup of his memory somewhere online :-) 19:39 wizzyrea I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up on disk somewhere. 19:40 wizzyrea do note: i'm not sure *where* exactly the disk is. 19:41 * wizzyrea was not very vigilant on testing those backups. May regret it later. 19:41 jwagner You mean you want to be able to _access_ backups once you've made them??? 19:43 wizzyrea jwagner: it definitely seems broken, to me 19:43 chris hi druthb 19:44 druthb hi, chris! :) 19:44 jwagner Thanks much. That doesn't mean I'm not hallucinating, but at least I'm not hallucinating about this one :-) 19:44 jwagner It seems to have been this way for quite a while -- I tested on current head and on some very old systems with the same result. 19:45 jwagner I'll open a bugzilla report as soon as I stomp out a couple of other fires. Thanks for checking. 19:46 cait jwagner: what is your problem? 19:46 cait linking professionals to organisations? 19:46 jwagner cait, trying to figure out how syspref memberofinstitution is supposed to work -- the patron record pulldown is empty. 19:47 jwagner If I'm reading the code right, and if there are organizational-type patron categories, those are what should show up in that pulldown, but nothing does. 19:52 * wizzyrea is now curious as to how this works as well, so if you figure it out plz share kthx 19:52 cait hm 19:52 cait i tested that some time ago and it worked 19:52 cait I even patched some things 19:52 wizzyrea d'oh! 19:53 cait because the search for organisation in professional patron didn't work and it didn't show thelinked patrons on the organisation 19:53 cait it works like the child/adult links 19:53 cait jwagner: which version are you on? 19:54 wizzyrea I was looking on something close to head 19:55 chris psst head of which branch? 19:55 wizzyrea master, sorry 19:55 chris :) 19:55 chris its my new pet peeve 19:56 cait jwagner: are you around a bit longer? 19:56 wizzyrea duly noted :) 19:56 cait I have to do some other things first, but could look at it later 19:57 jwagner cait, sorry, I was on another screen. I updated my current head server this morning, and I tested there among other places. 19:57 jwagner I don't presently have a server tracking chris_n's codeline 19:58 Brooke kia ora 19:59 cait jwagner: I have no working koha on this laptop - have to test on other laptop 19:59 cait can you describe your exaxt problem? 20:00 jwagner When you create a patron with an organizational type patron category, the pulldown shows but is empty -- no values to select from. 20:00 jwagner Am I right in thinking that the only time you'll see this is if you _are_ creating an organizational type patron? 20:00 cait which pull down? 20:00 jwagner I just logged out of all my test servers -- let me get back in... 20:01 cait starting other laptop :) 20:01 jwagner It's labeled Organization(s): 20:02 cait ok 20:09 jwagner cait, did you have a bugzilla entry for your patch? I didn't see anything recent when I searched. 20:09 cait jwagner: I am confused 20:09 cait to entries 20:09 cait 2 20:09 cait sorry 20:10 cait jwagner: I can confirm it's not working now, let me check if I uploaded my doc to the wiki 20:10 jwagner So you see entries? Or not? 20:10 jwagner And are those entries the patron categories? 20:12 cait the box didn't show up when I tested it 20:12 cait it worked exactly like adult/child 20:12 cait had a search for org in the professional patron, similar to guarantor search 20:12 cait and it showed the links back and forth on tha patron summary screen 20:13 cait jwagner: I wrote a doc for our customers, but can't access the file server from home 20:14 jwagner OK, if you remember tomorrow can you send that to me? I'll hold off creating a new bugzilla entry until I see what you've done. 20:14 cait bug 5003 20:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5003 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Can not search for organisation by name 20:16 jwagner Hmmm. I'm not sure that's the same problem. Gotta go work on another problem right now -- I'll follow up more tomorrow. Thanks. 20:16 hudsonbot Starting build 48 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: FIXED) 20:17 cait bug 5112 20:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5112 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Organisation does not show links to professional patrons 20:18 cait jwagner: no, different things, but showing it was working back then 20:18 cait something seems to be broken now 20:24 cait jwagner: organisation seems to be broken - not sure what the box should show. but you can still link from professional to organisaton. create a professional user, edit it - you can search for the org from the edit screen and link them together 20:25 cait jwagner: I think the box can perhaps be ignored, the linked users will show on the org's patron screen 20:27 jwagner cait, thanks -- the second bug seems closer to the problem I'm having. I'll try either updating the bug report or opening a new one after investigating some more. 20:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5654: remove disused directory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34ba87625a80701cce7a1ffca9fab1f3691bb3ab> 20:28 * jcamins realizes that he left his IRC away. 20:28 Brooke tsv 20:28 Brooke this is why I nick your a on a routine basis. 20:29 cait jwagner: both bugs are solved - better open a new one. I think your problem is different. 20:29 cait hi brooke :) 20:29 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #48: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/48/ 20:29 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: add section about printing fine accountline invoices 20:29 * Brooke smiles at cait. 20:30 hudsonbot Starting build 323 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:54 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #323: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/323/ 20:54 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 5654: remove disused directory 21:09 Michael Hey Gang. 21:09 Michael I need some help with an SQL report 21:10 Michael What I want is a list of items with a particular shelving location (="CG") and a datelastseen > DATE 21:10 Michael What I'm hung up on is coding for shelving location. 21:10 Brooke oh, almost a dusty book list 21:10 jcamins items.ccode="CG" 21:10 Michael items.loc = CG, perhaps? 21:11 Michael yes, basically the opposite of a dusty book list 21:11 Brooke hmm 21:11 sekjal items.location = "CG" 21:11 Michael items.ccode="CG" ...okay, i'll give it a try...standby 21:11 Brooke I thought there was an easier premade jigger for new books 21:12 Michael well, there is one for New Books, but what I want is a list of items 21:12 Michael that have been seen recently and that are in a particular shelving location 21:12 Brooke ah ha 21:12 Brooke circhorses. 21:12 Michael we did some inventory recently and i just want to know how many books I touched during that 21:13 Brooke eventually it gets through me thick skull 21:13 Brooke incidentally 21:13 Brooke this might help with other stuff 21:13 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 21:13 Brooke so mebbe 21:13 Brooke you could add yours 21:13 Brooke and what you had in mind :) 21:17 Michael yeah, that's how I've gotten as far as I have. 21:17 Michael the reports library, i mean 21:20 Brooke :) 21:20 Brooke never know what ye know about 21:20 Brooke so uh 21:20 Brooke I'm redundant 21:22 jcamins ibot: sql report library? 21:22 ibot i haven't a clue, jcamins 21:22 jcamins SQL report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 21:22 jcamins sql report library? 21:22 ibot sql report library is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 21:22 jcamins :D 21:22 jcamins SQL reports library? 21:22 jcamins ibot: SQL reports library? 21:22 ibot jcamins: i haven't a clue 21:23 jcamins SQL reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 21:23 jcamins ibot: SQL reports library? 21:23 ibot SQL reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 21:23 Brooke ibot botsnack sticky taffy 21:23 ibot thanks Brooke :) 21:25 * jcamins has solved his LAN problem- the new switch was plugged into itself, so nothing was reaching the router. 21:28 jwagner snake eats tail? 21:28 jwagner or endless circular reference? 21:30 Brooke lan? 21:30 jcamins Local Area Network. 21:30 Brooke stupid ibot 21:30 Brooke LAN? 21:30 Brooke ooh he still doesn't know it 21:30 Brooke not worth a new dogtrick, though 21:32 jwagner OK, time to stop working and start staring at all the snow coming down outside :-) 21:33 * Brooke is going through sabre withdrawal 21:33 Brooke stupid cancelled classes. 21:36 ibeardsle no training out on the street then? 21:36 Brooke inorite?! 21:36 Brooke the rozzers are ever so unappreciative of such thigns. 21:36 Brooke things even. 21:41 wizzyrea LAN is an abbreviation for Local Area Network 21:41 * wizzyrea bites 21:41 wizzyrea LAN? 21:41 ibot LAN is an abbreviation for Local Area Network 21:42 Brooke you're spoilt ibot. 21:42 Brooke just puttin' that out there. 21:44 mib_mike Hi guys. I've got a problem that seems to have been solved. 21:44 Brooke hooray 21:44 mib_mike Can anyone give me more information about the patch described here: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-September/025411.html 21:44 Brooke an already solved issue is the best kind 21:44 Michael sthg is crashing my SQL report...could it be this line? 21:44 Michael WHERE items.ccode="CG" AND datelastseen > '2010-12-15' 21:45 Michael it must be items.ccode 21:46 mib_mike It's great to have a problem with a known solution, but it's especially frustrating if you're the only one who doesn't know it. 21:48 jcamins Michael: your report is *crashing*? 21:48 Michael what i mean by crashing is that it displays no results at all 21:48 jcamins Michael: what's the entire query? 21:49 jcamins mib_mike: what version are you on? 21:49 Michael standby... 21:50 Michael 3.01.00.145 21:50 mib_mike Koha version: 3.02.00.004 21:50 Michael ha, sorry, wrong mike. 21:50 Michael SELECT biblio.title, items.datelastseen, items.ccode, items.barcode, items.itemcallnumber FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items ON biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber WHERE ccode="CG" AND datelastseen > 2010-12-15 ORDER BY items.itemcallnumber ASC 21:52 cait have you checked that there are items with ccode CG? 21:53 cait select ccode, count(*) from items group by ccode would be a way to show you all used ccodes 21:53 Michael okay, standby 21:54 jcamins Michael: I think you need to compare dates in a special way. 21:54 jcamins No, you just need to put the date in ''s. 21:54 jcamins Those are single quotes. 21:54 mib_mike Michael: try "select distinct ccode from items;" 21:55 jcamins mib_mike: I think someone fixed relevance ranking, but I don't remember how. 21:55 mib_mike ARG! 21:55 mib_mike I HATE when that happens B-) 21:56 mib_mike Any idea where I can begin my search? 21:56 jcamins mib_mike: are you able to upgrade? 21:56 mib_mike It's not a good time to upgrade. I've just got a couple of days between projects. 21:56 jcamins Ah. 21:56 jcamins I know it's definitely fixed on Master. 21:56 chris mib_mike: turn autotruncation off 21:57 chris and then you will get much more relevant results 21:57 jcamins Ah, I was hoping chris would appear to answer your question. :) 21:57 chris its a toggle in system preferences 21:57 chris so give it a whirl, you can always put it back 21:57 mib_mike QueryAutoTruncate ? 21:58 chris yeah whats that set to now? 21:58 mib_mike It's on "automatically" 21:58 mib_mike I'll give that a shot. 21:58 chris yeah, change that 21:58 chris cool 21:58 chris playing with the others too is sometimes helpful 21:59 mib_mike I'll look for preferences with "query"? 22:00 chris just look in the search tab 22:00 mib_mike Yeah, I guess that would be another way B-) 22:01 mib_mike Can anyone help me decipher the value of NoZebraIndexes? Are those MARC fields? 22:02 jcamins mib_mike: those are for when you're not using Zebra. 22:02 chris yeah, dont touch them 22:02 jcamins You don't want to run Koha without using Zebra. 22:02 chris have you just tried the auto truncate, and a new search .. you dont want to change lots at once, you wont know what made the difference if you do :-) 22:03 cait bye all :) 22:03 mib_mike Thanks for your suggestions, chris, jcamins 22:04 Michael Are you sure ccode represents shelving location? 22:04 chris nope 22:04 chris thats why smeone said location 22:04 Michael Because when I request that as one of my columns, that column is blank for all 9000+ results 22:04 chris 10:13 < sekjal> items.location = "CG" 22:04 chris 10:13 < Michael> items.ccode="CG" ...okay, i'll give it a try...standby 22:05 Michael I'll try location... 22:06 jcamins Michael: sorry, I thought you asked about collection code. 22:07 Michael no worries...i think i'm just about there now. 22:09 mib_mike I've set QueryAutoTruncate to "only if '*' is added" But when I search 'Title' for "chest" my first two results have "chester" in the title, while my third has "chest" any ideas? 22:11 mib_mike The search is described as “ti,wrdl: chest †I assume 'ti' means title but what does 'wrdl' mean? 22:11 chris wordlist 22:11 Michael Success! Thanks people. 22:11 chris mib_mike: turn of stemming 22:11 chris turn off 22:11 chris even 22:11 chris and give it another go 22:11 chris er, ies, ing, es etc are all removed when doing stemming 22:11 sekjal http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/when-open-source-software-isnt-truly-open-source/2141 22:11 chris hence chester 22:13 rhcl ping wizzyrea - still on? 22:14 mib_mike Setting QueryStemming to "Don't Try" has had no effect on the first three results from my “ti,wrdl: chest †search. 22:15 chris you have queryweightfields enabled? 22:15 mib_mike yes queryweightfields are enabled. 22:16 rhcl didn't I remember seeing something on channel about a new, current deb pkg being uploaded to http://debian.koha-community.org/koha ? 22:16 chris 3.2.2 was put up jan 9 22:16 chris 3.2.3 will go up next week 22:18 rhcl ah ha, your're right. If you don't expand the koha directory it shows the old October 2010 date. 22:18 rhcl for last modified 22:19 chris yeah you shouldnt really be browsing manually, but using apt-get to do it for ya ;-) 22:23 mib_mike Hmm.. “ti,phr: chest†(trailing space added by koha) does not return titles with "chester". 22:24 mib_mike though “ti,wrdl: chest †still does 22:25 wizzyrea sup rhcl 22:31 rhcl hey, just had the question about the .deb pkgs, which chris answered 22:42 * chris_n pushes the first 4 commits toward 3.2.4 22:44 hudsonbot Starting build 91 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: FIXED) 22:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: bug 5654: remove disused directory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de6a027bbf0f8d8a5e3a86dc18466359470745c4> / Adding Jerome Charaoui to the history docs, 130 people have code in Koha now <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c9721b8defbe6f79eb928f672f151079658d57f> / History updated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9638c4423a6272e 22:56 jcamins Good night, #koha 22:57 chris_n g'night jcamins_a 23:10 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #91: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/91/ 23:10 hudsonbot * Jerome Charaoui: Bug 5506 Fix installation of prefs translations in standard installs 23:10 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: History updated 23:10 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding Jerome Charaoui to the history docs, 130 people have code in Koha now 23:10 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5654: remove disused directory