Time  Nick        Message
00:13 cait        ok, really really time to sleep - good night all :)
00:13 chris       night
00:16 * druthb    is gonna head out, too.  still cranking on indexing, so I think I'm gonna goof off a while.
02:46 Silens      http://www.isbn.org/converterpub.asp
02:47 Silens      Sorry, I posted the link in the wrong channel.
03:03 Brooke      kia ora
03:15 * Brooke    waves to glernil
03:15 glernil     good day from the philippines!
03:15 Brooke      :)
03:17 * Brooke    beams at spelling kaitiaki without a blink of the eye
03:21 chris       heya
03:21 chris       about to push our first unit test!
03:21 * Brooke    salutes Chris
03:24 CIA-1       Koha: 03joseph.zachariah.sim 07new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-527-g53a301b 10/ (C4/Koha.pm t/Koha.t): Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests.
03:24 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
03:30 hudsonbot   Starting build 291 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:34 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53a301b8f20ba285c8e483aa6d5a3b2539380ccb>
03:53 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #291: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/291/
03:53 hudsonbot   Zach Sim: Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests.
03:53 * Silens    shouts YAY!
03:59 Brooke      hmmm, disentangling this planning bs requires more chocolate...
04:03 chris       day 1, and 1 unit test already, thats what i was aiming for, for the whole week
04:05 * Brooke    wants some absinthe.
04:07 * chris     goes to catch bus
04:08 Brooke      cheers
04:11 * ibeardsle wanders away for the day happy with the success of the Academy students.
04:11 Brooke      :)
04:11 Brooke      may their minds be poisoned
04:12 Brooke      err voluntarily turned towards cooperative enterprises for the betterment of society.
04:12 ibeardsle   have you seen the comuterworld article on the academy?
04:13 Brooke      mebbe
04:13 ibeardsle   especially one person's comments
04:13 Brooke      Chris was doing a fair bit o braggin.
04:13 * Brooke    's mind is mush at the moment.
04:13 Brooke      I'm just glad it exists
04:14 ibeardsle   the mind?  yeah they are handy
04:14 Brooke      were you here for Cait and I getting extremely jealous of the Academy kids?
04:14 ibeardsle   when was that? today?
04:14 Oak         \o
04:14 Brooke      hi Oak
04:14 Brooke      nah this was a good bit ago
04:14 Oak         hiya Brooke, long time
04:14 * Brooke    is a tosser.
04:15 ibeardsle   Brooke: nah, I've only popped into this channel today
04:15 Brooke      well drop by more often
04:15 Oak         WerdNet says tosser means jerk-off (?)
04:15 Brooke      yep
04:16 Brooke      that is exactly it more or less
04:16 Brooke      I *ought* to have been looking at this stuff sooner
04:16 Oak         cool
04:16 Brooke      but I wanted to see if inspiration would rescue me
04:16 Brooke      (didn't)
04:17 ibeardsle   the white knight of inspiration failed eh?
04:18 Brooke      mustn't sneak "Participation is not for the faint of heart" in here...
04:18 Brooke      ha if only inspiration were a man
04:18 Brooke      that'd make things easy.
04:19 ibeardsle   heh
04:20 ibeardsle   one of the students was talking about trying to work through a couple of test tonight .. that's the sort of inspiration that people can take heart in
04:20 Brooke      :)
04:20 Brooke      indeed
04:30 * chris     catches up on mail on the bus
04:38 * Brooke    waves to chilts
05:09 Brooke      hi folks
05:10 Amit        hi Brooke
05:14 Brooke      how's it going Amit?
05:16 Amit        Brooke everything is fine here what about u?
05:17 * Brooke    is mashing the keyboard vainly hoping that Shakespeare comes out.
05:26 Brooke      YES
05:26 Brooke      finally
05:26 Brooke      the bs is coming :D
05:57 Brooke      goodnight #koha
06:07 Silens      /nickserv identify
06:26 chris       right now to test out the new unit test
06:29 * chris     refactors C4::Koha
06:37 chris       im going to intentionally cause some test to fail, so students can fix it tomorrow
06:41 Amit        heya chris
06:42 chris       hi Amit
06:43 CIA-1       Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5403 * rv3.02.00-528-g3e19dd7 10/C4/ (Biblio.pm Koha.pm): Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn
06:43 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5403 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, C4::Koha::DisplayISBN should be wrapper for Business::ISBN->as_string
06:45 chris       hiya cait
06:45 cait        morning chris :)
06:45 cait        patches! :)
06:45 hudsonbot   Starting build 292 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:46 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a61db4986d7635e2eadb32f4df7332261e773826>
06:47 chris       this patch should break a unit test, which is by design, so I can use that as a teaching tool for tomorrow
06:50 cait        :)
06:50 cait        wish I could be there
07:08 cait        @wunder Konstanz
07:08 munin       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -1.0�C (8:00 AM CET on January 17, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
07:08 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #292: UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/292/
07:08 hudsonbot   Colin Campbell: Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn
07:08 cait        very foggy outside
07:12 cait        hope I don't get lost - bye chris :)
07:13 chris       cya cait
07:52 CIA-1       Koha: 03dpavlin 07new/bug_4920 * rv3.02.00-529-g7fd0628 10/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/neworderempty.tmpl: Bug 4920 - neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload
07:52 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4920 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload
07:58 chris       hi hdl
07:58 CIA-1       Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-530-geae38fa 10/docs/history.txt: Adding a new developer to the history
07:58 hdl         hi chris
08:07 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Adding a new developer to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eae38fa6800454db627c4ab7e5a50ec17f42e018> / Bug 4920 - neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fd062814dc402f0ef843651cd761733e3383fef>
08:15 hudsonbot   Starting build 293 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #291 4 hr 44 min ago)
08:22 CIA-1       Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5026 * rv3.02.00-531-g64e8297 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Bug 5026 Undefined dates formatted poorly in serials-edit
08:22 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5026 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Undefined dates not formatted in serials update
08:24 magnus      kia ora, #koha
08:24 hdl         hi magnus
08:24 chris       hi magnus
08:24 magnus      bonjour hdl
08:24 magnus      ata marie chris
08:28 magnus      125 developers - woohoo! ;-)
08:29 hdl         125 persons which code got into Koha.
08:30 chris       is that really a distinction worth making?
08:37 hdl         in my opinion, it is a big distinction.
08:38 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #293: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/293/
08:38 hudsonbot   * Dobrica Pavlinusic: Bug 4920 - neworderempty.tmpl shouldn't call calcNeworderTotal() onload
08:38 hudsonbot   * Chris Cormack: Adding a new developer to the history
08:38 chris       hdl: how do you qualify a developer?
08:39 chris       who is the judge?
08:39 hdl         to me distinction is between active and historical developers.
08:40 hdl         I donot judge.
08:40 hdl         Nahuel is now historical developer for instance.
08:40 chris       doesnt make him not a developer
08:42 hdl         I donot say he is not.
08:42 hdl         I say he has been.
08:43 chris       ahh you didnt make that clear, you said we didnt have 125 developers, (note no one said active) you said we had 125 people who got code into koha, implying that some of them were not developers
08:44 hdl         I never said that.
08:44 hdl         I said that they once got code into Koha...
08:45 hdl         tmpl_process has been committed by someone once, but maintenance was done on that by other folks afterwards.
08:45 chris       ok im bored of arguing
08:46 chris       21:29 < magnus> 125 developers - woohoo! ;-)
08:46 chris       21:30 < hdl> 125 persons which code got into Koha.
08:46 hdl         I am not arguing
08:51 kf          good mornign #koha
08:53 magnus      guten morgen kf!
08:57 kf          hi magnus :)
09:20 kf          hi dabi
09:20 kf          hi davi
09:20 davi        hi kf
09:23 chris       marcelr: theres something a bit weird with the last patch you sent
09:24 chris       did you mean to base64 encode it?
09:30 pastebot    "chris" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "Bug 5399 Patch wont apply" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/122
09:30 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5399 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo'
09:31 marcelr     chris: i will check
09:45 marcelr     chris: sent it again; removed some weird chars; again had a problem with the cc to galen in git send-email
09:47 chris       oh? what did it do?
09:47 marcelr     complaining about gmcharlt at gmail although i edited that
09:52 CIA-1       Koha: 03gmcharlt 07new/bug_5399 * rv3.02.00-532-g4532ca7 10/acqui/ (addorderiso2709.pl basketgroup.pl): Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo'
09:52 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5399 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo'
09:53 CIA-1       Koha: 03chrisc 07new/bug_5399 * rv3.02.00-533-g12741cf 10/acqui/basketgroup.pl: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine
10:07 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12741cfafa7513ee7b4627863c18346cb8507873> / Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4532ca70bc5842667c6ff53d9fec5d7e7b4f4317> / Bug 5026 Undefined dates formatted poorly in serials-edit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh
10:15 hudsonbot   Starting build 294 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #291 6 hr 45 min ago)
10:15 kf          monday++
10:24 kf          @quote random
10:24 munin       kf: Quote #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)" (added by chris at 07:59 PM, June 23, 2009)
10:25 magnus      hehe
10:39 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #294: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/294/
10:39 hudsonbot   * Colin Campbell: Bug 5026 Undefined dates formatted poorly in serials-edit
10:39 hudsonbot   * Galen Charlton: Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo'
10:39 hudsonbot   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine
10:41 kf          Amit: around?
10:49 wasabi      magnus:  how is your 2.2 upgrade going?
10:50 magnus      wasabi: all my upgrades to 3.2.2 were successful, thanks!
10:50 magnus      i think kf still have some to do
10:50 wasabi      oh my, what a clever man!
10:50 wasabi      i just did one yesterday too
10:51 wasabi      i am going to write my notes down somewhere, berfore i forget them again
10:52 wasabi      we should compare our methods
10:52 wasabi      2.2 upgrades are a black-art
10:53 kf          we are only upgrading from 3.1.61 - so it's quite easy
10:53 kf          perfect updatedatabase protocol :)
10:56 magnus      ah, sorry wasabi, i thought you meant 3.2... stupid me.
10:57 magnus      i'm doing one from 2.2.9 to 3.2.2 where i'm only moving patrons, records and subscription info
10:57 magnus      i'm having some issues with the records, encodings to be presice...
10:58 wasabi      gotcha
10:58 wasabi      yes, they can be very tricky
10:59 wasabi      yaz-iconv is a good tool, for that
10:59 magnus      and they want some information to be moved from one field to another while we are at it
10:59 magnus      a ha, i havn't looked at that
11:00 magnus      looks really cool
11:00 magnus      http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-iconv.html
11:01 wasabi      im a bit rusty on encoding debugging, and didnt write to much down :/
11:02 wasabi      i would try this script 1st….
11:02 wasabi      perl ./misc/migration_tools/22_to_30/move_marc_to_biblioitems.pl
11:02 wasabi      … to build the bi.marcxml stuff
11:03 wasabi      from your 2.2 marc_subfield_table
11:03 wasabi      then take a look at what you've got
11:03 magnus      :-)
11:04 magnus      so far i have tried to export the records from 2.2.9, mangle them with scripts and MarcEdit and then import into 3.2.x - with mixed results
11:05 magnus      i think it mostly worked the last time i tried, but then i noticed some "clipped" fields in the most recent records - i wonder if that is double encoded utf8 or summat...
11:06 wasabi      does  the 2.2 bib data look ok?
11:06 wasabi      or is it mangled too?
11:08 wasabi      have you tried this method?
11:08 wasabi      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
11:08 wasabi      perl  ./installer/data/mysql/update22to30.pl
11:09 wasabi      perl ./misc/migration_tools/22_to_30/move_marc_to_biblioitems.pl
11:09 wasabi      1st script switches the tables to utf8
11:09 wasabi      2nd script, builds bi.marcxml from marc_subfield_table
11:10 wasabi      this method has been working good well, for me
11:10 magnus      the first thing i tried was to upgrade everything with the scripts, yes, but i ran into some trouble there, don't really recall what kind though...
11:12 wasabi      ok, i would concentrate on re-testing that method
11:14 wasabi      you may be creating encoding problems with your own marc-record creation process
11:20 magnus      yeah, that's why i switched to marcedit (on windows, *shudders*)
11:22 wasabi      ive never used it, and haven't needed to
11:25 wasabi      ive never hit a bib-encoding problem i couldnt fix, using cmdline tools on a debian box
11:34 magnus      wasabi: good on you! if you'd like to document any tips and tricks on the wiki or something i'd be all ears! ;-)
11:39 magnus      hiya ivanc and druthb
11:39 druthb      hi, magnus!
11:40 kf          hi druthb :)
11:40 druthb      :)
11:40 * druthb    pulls out a celebratory box of cookies, and shares.
11:44 wasabi      magnus: yes, i hope to do this
11:44 kf          druthb: do you one with lots of chocolate in htere?
11:45 magnus      druthb: what are we celebrating?
11:45 druthb      yes, kf.  there are some chocolate-chunk ones in there.
11:45 magnus      wasabi: i know time is always an issue, but it would be really good to have
11:45 druthb      two go-lives this weekend.
11:45 magnus      ah, cool!
11:45 kf          do we need the 'sex' field in koha's borrower table for something? is it required?
11:46 kf          mmmh
11:46 magnus      kf: i have been asking myself the same question re the "ethnicity" field...
11:46 kf          yeah, but sex is in the form - ethnicitiy and the ethnotes field are relicts
11:46 kf          like a loooooot of other database fields
11:47 kf          almost every table has columns we don't use anymore
11:47 magnus      ah, true
11:47 magnus      you might want the sex field for statistics, maybe?
11:52 kf          yeah, have suggested that now :)
11:52 kf          discussing with library which fields they want to use and import
11:52 magnus      ah
11:53 kf          will hide the fields they don't want to sue
11:53 kf          use
11:53 kf          sue.. hmpf.
11:53 kf          time for a lunch break :) bbl
11:57 magnus      same here
12:28 * druthb    waves to her teammates.
13:15 * kf        waves to Nate and sekjal
13:16 sekjal      hi, kf!
13:16 kf          nengard: I check out the 3.2.x branch and create a new database or restore a 3.2.x one I have dumped earlier
13:17 kf          nengard: speaking about your email to the koha list :)
13:17 nengard     kf - i need more info on how to do all of that :)
13:17 nengard     i need a step by step
13:17 kf          nengard: this is what I do on my linux laptop - and I have different snapshots in my virtual box at work
13:17 kf          so I can restore one of them and switch back and forth
13:18 kf          you can check out the branch like any other branch for testing
13:19 kf          the name is 3.2.x - so git checkout -b 3.2.x origin/3.2.x - for updating I do a git rebase origin/3.2.x instead of a git pull
13:19 kf          quite sure there are other ways to do it :)
13:27 jcamins     Is it possible to include the current date on notices?
13:30 kf          nope
13:31 kf          but I think there is an enh request somehwere for that
13:31 * kf        remembers having seen that somewhere
13:32 kf          bug 5197
13:32 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, today's date on notices
13:32 kf          I think it would be nice to have different templates for print and email notices... and the option to add a date to print notices. for email notices the date the email was sent makes more sense to me.
13:43 hdl         nengard: I guess that you could use mykoha to create multiple instances on the same virtual machine.
13:43 jcamins     hdl: mykoha?
13:45 kf          jcamins: koha-commons package I think
13:46 jcamins     kf: ah.
13:46 hdl         jcamins: stuff that catalyst demoed at the koha-conf
13:46 hdl         mykoha create mmmm
13:46 jcamins     Ah.
13:47 hdl         to create a new instance of koha on a machine.
13:47 * jcamins   wasn't at KohaCon. :'(
13:47 hdl         I have been unable to use that because of our UNIMARC and french requirements.
13:48 hdl         But should work pretty good for USMARC and all taht stuff
13:49 kf          hdl: can you use it with git?
13:49 hdl         kf: I think so
13:51 kf          hm, have to try that sometime :)
13:55 hdl         kf: as far as i know, mykoha is just writing configuration files.
13:55 hdl         and creating var directories.
13:55 nengard     i'll see if i can figure this stuff out
13:56 nengard     but if someone wants to write detailed instructions on the wiki that would be greatly appreciated!
13:56 magnus      isn't that the debian packages stuff, or is mykoha something different? the way i understood it catalyst use the packages to "automate" their mykoha offering?
13:57 kf          magnus: I think you are right
13:57 hdl         magnus: mykoha is included in the Koha code.
14:00 hdl         or is in the  catalyst repository mykoha
14:00 hdl         it provides some new commandlines
14:01 hdl         basically, it is just a perl Makefile.PL and make; make install;
14:03 magnus      hdl: is it related to the debian packaging?
14:05 Fred        Hello
14:05 ibot        niihau, Fred
14:06 hdl         magnus: I donot think so
14:06 Fred        a happy new year to all Koha community
14:07 magnus      and happy new year to you too, Fred!
14:08 magnus      hdl: ok
14:08 hdl         magnus: iirc, catalyst made a secondary package for mykoha
14:10 Fred        I am wondering about xslt stylesheets in 3.2 for intranet, is the one for search results display available?
14:14 magnus      hdl: yeah, there is a separate repo: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=mykoha.git;a=summary
14:15 magnus      so mykoha is the debian packages + something else/more on top
14:18 larsw       the mykoha .deb is site-specific stuff on top of koha-common
14:18 larsw       (assuming nothing changed about that since I stoppped working on it)
14:23 magnus      thanks larsw - i can't imagine they changed too much yet...
14:23 larsw       git would tell whoever is curious :)
15:31 yitznewto   hi kohavians... is there a tut for indexing config someplace? I looked at the 3.2 manual, but couldn't wrap my head around the 3 zebra files. ...
15:31 yitznewto   my first use case is setting a bib loading match point on 035$a
15:38 slef        It's wet out!
15:44 nengard     not here
15:44 nengard     here it's just COLD!
15:55 kf          yitznewto: you have to check if this file is indexed
15:55 kf          hm not file, field
15:55 kf          oh, I am too slow... should scroll down first
16:14 Fred        is XSLTResultsDisplay really pointing to a stylesheet on intranet?
16:20 kf          Fred: I think there is not stylesheet for results/intranet at the moment
16:21 kf          not=no
16:21 Fred        yes, i ve just find the related bug for enhancement about it :)
16:22 Fred        thanks
16:22 Fred        bug 4813
16:22 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4813 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, implement XSLTResultsDisplay
16:23 kf          Fred: you can use the keyword-to-marc-mapping to enhance the result list in staff
16:23 kf          using the subtitle keyword
16:25 Fred        oh never tried this before
16:31 Fred        ok looks quite easy to use, thanks a lot!
16:38 gmcharlt    XSLT exists for staff-side bib details
16:38 gmcharlt    MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl
16:42 Fred        i was looking for UNIMARC results in fact
16:43 gmcharlt    UNIMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl also exists :)
16:47 Fred        yes i ve seen it :)  but nothing about search results
16:48 gmcharlt    right, not currently available staff-side for either MARC21 or UNIMARC
16:48 Fred        yes, i can stop to look for it hehe :)
16:49 Fred        thanks a lot for ur help, bye all!
16:56 kf          hi sekjal
16:56 sekjal      hi, kf
17:08 chris_n     syntax highlighting (almost) in git: http://tinyurl.com/4azhyc2
17:11 kf          hi chris_n :)
17:11 chris_n     heya kf
17:12 kf          ok, time to go :) see you all later
17:12 chris       @later tell magnus yes mykoha just has site specific stuff, all the scripts are in koha-common, mykoha has the different stylesheets and a few extra bits like that
17:12 munin       chris: The operation succeeded.
17:43 cait        hi #koha
18:54 chris       Morning
18:55 nengard     hiya chris
18:56 druthb      hi, chris! :D
18:58 chris       Go lives done?
18:58 druthb      yup.  Both sites are happy, but both are only-minimally running today--holiday for most folks.
18:58 druthb      tomorrow will be the true test.
18:59 chris       It could go either way still
19:00 chris       Re the cricket :)
19:00 druthb      :)
19:00 chris       Ahh mlk day eh?
19:00 druthb      yup.
19:01 hdl         happy mlk day.
19:01 hdl         Going home.
19:01 chris       Cya hdl
19:04 cait        hi chris
19:04 chris       Morning session at academy today is qa and testing
19:05 chris       Then back onto project work in the afternoon, should be able to get at least 4 more patches in I reckon
19:07 * chris     was delighted how fast they all caught on
19:09 chris       The trick is get them hooked then hire them all when they finish uni :)
19:10 cait        :)
19:12 chris       2 have 1 more year of high school yet
19:13 jcamins     chris: sneaky. Four years of summer interns from those. ;)
19:13 chris       :)
19:14 * chris     must do a writeup for the koha newsletter
19:15 nengard     yes
19:16 nengard     and everyone else needs to get me articles
19:16 nengard     you all wanted the newsletter monthly! so send me something to publish!! :)
19:16 * druthb    has run out of excuses for not submitting an article, I suppose.
19:17 nengard     your new company probably demands that you write for the newsletter
19:17 chris       Heh
19:18 chris       Ill try to get a quote or 2 from the students
19:18 * druthb    feels that, given the MLK holiday, this quote might be apropos at this point:   "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
19:18 nengard     LOL
19:18 jcamins     Ooh! I know!
19:18 chris       MLK++
19:18 jcamins     chris: tell them that writing newsletter articles is an important part of open source.
19:18 chris       Hehe
19:20 druthb      At the very least, the Director of OS Education at my company will now feel free to hassle me *mercilessly* to get something with my byline....
19:21 * jcamins   could write an article about jetlag: *ssssnnnnoooooooooorrrrreeeee*
19:21 chris       Ok my stop bbiab
19:21 druthb      I could write something about the tools I use, but since I write 'em as I go (with large doses of caffiene), it'd be an odd article.
19:33 slef        sounds like the co-op's internal newsletter...
19:33 slef        nengard: I was planning another RFC Roundup
19:33 nengard     awesome
19:40 gmcharlt    nengard: manual patches should go the the patches list, right?
19:40 nengard     yes please
19:40 gmcharlt    ok, there's one for you now
19:42 nengard     thanks!
19:42 nengard     oh gmcharlt i'm sorry
19:42 nengard     i meant it goes to the docs patches list
19:42 nengard     koha-docs
19:43 nengard     but I'll take your patch anyway :)
19:43 gmcharlt    gotcha
19:46 nengard     pushed: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary
19:46 gmcharlt    thanks
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19:51 sekjal      anyway know how sensitive Koha is to Unicode normalization format?  C, D, KC, KD?
19:52 jcamins     sekjal: my tests suggest very!
19:53 nengard     okay - nicole screwed up on git again ... how do i roll back something I pushed?
19:53 gmcharlt    IMO, code shouldn't expect any particular NF in the DB, and apply the desired normalization when it matters
19:53 gmcharlt    roughly speaking, for most languages that NFC for OPAC display
19:53 gmcharlt    and (often) NFD for indexing and interchange
19:54 gmcharlt    nengard: git revert HEAD
19:54 gmcharlt    then git push
19:54 nengard     will that revert the last commit i pushed?
19:54 gmcharlt    yes
19:55 nengard     thanks :)
19:55 sekjal      do we want different NF's for indexing and for display... hmmmm
19:55 gmcharlt    sekjal: most web browsers display characters with diacritics better if NFC is used
19:56 gmcharlt    stripping diacritics for normalization is often easier if the data are received in NFD
19:56 gmcharlt    ideally, thems as are doing the displaying or the normalization would do the NF conversion themselves
19:56 gmcharlt    ... but you can't count on it
19:58 sekjal      limiting to the context of MARC records:  we display in more places in the code than we index, so it would probably be cheaper in some sense if the MARC were defaulted to NFC, and then explicitly converted to NFD for Zebra
19:58 gmcharlt    yep, but enforcing it is the tricky part
19:58 gmcharlt    better to just explicitly do the conversion when emitting records - NF conversions aren't *that* expensive
19:59 gmcharlt    and considering that MARC21 technically mandates NFKD, I'm not sure I want to get into a debate as the to one true NF to use when storing the records :)
20:01 cait        I always get confused by the abbreviations
20:02 cait        but we had problems with display of umlauts - ended up changing our data to the right normlization for nightly imports - but z39.50 is still a problem
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20:02 hudsonbot   Nicole C. Engard: clarify that web-based SCO URL is based on OPAC, not intranet
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20:08 Brooke      kia ora!
20:08 Brooke      Happy Dr. King Day :D
20:08 druthb      hi, Brooke! :)
20:08 cait        hi Brooke
20:10 CIA-1       Koha: 03claudia.forsman 07new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-528-g81f9c49 10/t/Koha.t: Bug 5327 removing uneeded tests
20:10 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
20:10 Brooke      Wie geht's?
20:12 * Brooke    waves to johnboy
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20:15 hudsonbot   * Nicole C. Engard: add ids to other languages
20:15 hudsonbot   * Nicole C. Engard: Revert "add ids to other languages"
20:15 hudsonbot   * Nicole C. Engard: update ids in foreign language files
20:16 johnboy     ... waves back but fails at using irc
20:18 * Brooke    muses about whether Nengard added egos and superegos as well to make things dynamic...
20:18 nengard     ?
20:19 Brooke      it was a *very* bad pun
20:19 nengard     one that went over my head
20:27 * sekjal    chuckles, a little late
20:29 * jcamins   looks back into #koha, and winces.
20:29 nengard     why wincing?
20:29 jcamins     The pun.
20:31 Brooke      let this be a lesson
20:31 nengard     oh
20:31 Brooke      the punning will continue until the release date is met
20:31 Brooke      *whip crack*
20:31 nengard     all that travel has shrunk my brain
20:31 nengard     i'm pretty slow now
20:31 * jcamins   feels the same.
20:33 * sekjal    is working on bug 5533... wondering if fixing it will cause as much confusion as the bug itself
20:33 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, marking item lost diff in two places
20:33 nengard     how so?
20:34 sekjal      should marking an item lost ALWAYS be associated with removing the issue record and adding a replacement fee to that patron?
20:35 nengard     yes
20:35 nengard     if it's lost why shouldn't it
20:35 nengard     ?
20:35 ibeardsle   policy
20:35 sekjal      the values of itemlost are user configurable, which means they could mean all kinds of things, depending on the library
20:36 nengard     k - but there is no way to set those
20:36 nengard     so it should act the same no matter where you mark it lost
20:36 nengard     or it should allow for libraries to define that
20:36 ibeardsle   makring something lost .. also have an option to add a replacement fee
20:38 sekjal      the longoverdue.pl script has an option in it for whether to charge the patron or not
20:38 sekjal      and, in theory, that should be handling all the automatic long overdue marking
20:38 nengard     oh
20:38 nengard     then so should the gui
20:39 sekjal      so, the only time a library would need to manually change this is if the patron TELLS them it's lost
20:39 sekjal      rather than them just assuming it's lost because it's 4 years overdue
20:39 sekjal      and if your patron is telling you they lost it, you may be more inclined to forgive them or reduce their fee
20:41 Brooke      in especial if they tell us how witty we are
20:41 Brooke      and bring chocolate
20:41 Brooke      I could imagine not charging people in a special Library
20:41 Brooke      but those would be the only cases.
20:41 Brooke      and it happens with enough rarity
20:42 Brooke      that one could wrestle with the computer to make it cooperate.
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20:53 cait        good night all :)
20:53 Brooke      tchus
20:54 * Brooke    waves at hdl
20:54 Brooke      eep there's another s in thar
20:54 hdl         hi Brooke
21:00 Brooke      laterz
21:01 gmcharlt    FYI, looks like bugs.koha-community.org may have fallen victim to network issues with the hosting provider
21:07 hudsonbot   Yippie, build fixed!
21:07 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #295: FIXED in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/295/
21:07 hudsonbot   claudia: Bug 5327 removing uneeded tests
21:11 gmcharlt    and its back
22:26 sekjal      cheers, #koha!
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22:32 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
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22:59 chris       Silens: hows it going?
23:00 Silens      chris: good, looking for more tests to do.
23:01 chris       cool, if you are feeling brave
23:01 chris       you can look in the db_dependent dir
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