Time Nick Message 22:40 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 22:40 hdl @later tell sekjal hope that helps 22:40 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 22:40 hdl @later tell sekjal feel free to take that. http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-biblibre.git;a=blob;f=misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl;h=b544d818bbc00255158bad074ee7eb270c84a379;hb=eb28c422c6a6ef3bb5596effa6d2d9beaf9af443 22:40 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Foothill Open Space, Santa Barbara, California is 15.4�C (2:35 PM PST on January 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). 22:40 jcamins @wunder goleta, ca 22:39 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 22:39 hdl @later tell sekjal it is in BibLibre-various branch in rebuild_zebra.pl 22:38 hdl @ 22:38 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 22:38 hdl @later tell sekjal in order to make rebuild_zebra more handy for zebra indexing, we have added some options such as --where "biblionumber>123 and biblio< 456 " 22:33 chris everyone forgets them, specially when choosing who to migrate to :) 22:33 Nate yes I forgot them, they are on the end of the table :) 22:19 chris no sirsi dynix eh? 22:18 chris cool 22:17 Nate Grace is their rep 22:17 Nate def 22:16 chris glad ESI is there to represent open source 22:16 chris should be a good discussion 22:14 chris :) 22:14 Nate ESI (woo hoo :) ) 22:14 Nate EX Libris 22:14 Nate OCLC 22:14 Nate Autographice 22:14 Nate PTFS 22:13 Nate VTLS 22:13 Nate TLC 22:13 Nate iii 22:13 chris Nate: who all is on the panel? 22:11 chris :) 22:08 jcamins chris: chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyr1ugzxXM&playnext=1&list=PLAEFECA83DFFD229D&index=45 22:05 cait ah 22:03 chris yep ala midwinter 22:02 cait ah, is there a conf? 22:00 chris i was hoping someone would be doing commentary :) 22:00 chris ahh cool 22:00 Nate We are in the CEO roundtable discussion room now, should be a good one 21:58 Nate Hiya Chris 21:58 chris heya Nate 21:27 owen Have, or continue to have a good weekend everyone 21:11 chris its the equiv of a perl warn when you do an if on an uninitialised variable 21:10 chris or it does that 21:10 chris the problem with TMPL EXPR is you cant ever use it with a value that might be empty 21:10 chris log 21:10 chris not an actual error, but it clutters up the long 21:09 chris yeah its warn 21:09 jcamins Oh, that's a template error? 21:09 chris yes 21:09 owen It means don't use TMPL EXPR :) 21:08 jcamins Does anyone know know what "EXPR:at pos 10: non-initialized variable dateformat" means? 21:06 sekjal nice 21:06 chris -d 21:06 chris yeah 21:05 sekjal can you specify where the file is dumped? 21:05 sekjal chris: very interesting 21:03 chris you could easily take the bit that exports the marc from there and put it in its own script 21:03 chris is what i use to dump the whole db in marc format if i need to 21:02 chris rebuild_zebra.pl -k 20:59 sekjal I can't find one 20:59 sekjal anyone know if Koha already has a commandline biblio MARC export tool? 20:59 nengard right 20:59 wizzyrea right? 20:59 wizzyrea and 3.2 is in 3.2.x 20:58 wizzyrea nengard you're keeping 3.4 manual in master, correct? 20:14 jwagner We have our own release notes for Harley which is separate. 20:14 jwagner No, not Harley. There are still sites (not just some of ours) running the old 3.x code 20:12 chris easy fix for that, put it under a license that allows reuse, and the bits that are accurate can be used, and the wrong bits fixed :) 20:12 owen The closest thing to a Harley manual? 20:12 jwagner OK, I'll talk to the web folks. When I have some mythical free time. The other one is still moderately accurate if you're running the older code, though. 20:11 nengard yes that is the one i integrated into the 3.2 manual recently 20:11 chris the other one is old and wrong tho, so not having it, isnt a bad thing 20:11 chris except the wayne state one, which is licensed under gpl so we have that one on koha-community 20:10 owen jwagner: PTFS/Liblime owns the copyright to the manual on koha.org and threatens legal action against those who try to reproduce it 20:08 jwagner I'll pass it on to the web folks. But people do refer to the older manuals -- are they available on the new site? 20:08 nengard okey dokey, i have updated a lot of sys prefs recently they're just not up on the site yet, waiting for wizzyrea to push them out there 20:08 owen jwagner: May I suggest that section (at the very least) be taken down? 20:08 jwagner I need to check what they want first -- I'll have them send it to me. 20:07 jwagner That's why I was trying to see what the current procedure should be. They want to amplify the description of how one of the sysprefs works. 20:07 jwagner nengard, yes I know the old site isn't current :-) 19:56 nengard got to document what each thing does 19:56 * owen let is slide on past 19:56 nengard it's my job 19:56 owen nengard: You were smart enough to see that "Searchable" checkbox and wonder what it did! 19:56 nengard I'll report a bug 19:55 nengard doc manager knows it all :) hehe 19:55 owen I didn't know that nengard. It's not working for me though. 19:55 nengard when it was originally developed 19:55 nengard owen this was before there was a [+] even added 19:55 nengard jwagner, we have no control over the old site - you'll have to ask someone at LL to let them into that - the 3.2 and 3.4 manuals are in git and available to all for updating 19:54 nengard even though the box says 'name or barcode' if you put a attribute value in there it worked too 19:54 nengard no owen, you just typed in the box and it searched 19:53 owen nengard: It would show up in the expanded options after clicking the [+] ? 19:53 jwagner nengard, they're searchable on my systems. 19:53 jwagner nengard and owen, that was the first problem -- they were trying to create a login to update the old manual. I'll talk about options with them. 19:52 nengard them being the attributes 19:52 nengard if you checked the 'searchable' box when creating them 19:51 nengard they used to be searchable in the patron search box 19:51 owen nengard: Where are patron attribute types searchable? 19:50 chris larsw++ 19:50 nengard anyone know about my patron search issue? 19:47 larsw a manual is finished when the software will never have no more users 19:47 nengard iono - but i never finished that manual anyway - if you can ever call a manual finished 19:46 * owen wonders why http://koha.org/documentation still exists 19:46 nengard wizzyrea is there a timeline on getting the 3.4 manual up on the site? and/or updating the 3.2? It's a bit out of date 19:45 nengard jwagner make sure you update the right manual there is a 3.2 and a 3.4, so I need to know which one they're using and if you write the patch for them then you need to update the right XML file 19:44 owen jwagner: You refer your clients to http://koha-community.org/documentation/ ? 19:44 nengard has anyone noticed that patron attribute types aren't searchable even if you check the 'searchable' box? I know it used to work, looking for confirmation that it's a bug (or not a bug) 19:41 jwagner OK, I'll run that by them. Thanks. 19:41 nengard and I'll make them next time I edit the manual 19:41 nengard you can submit a patch to the manual for them or you can tell them to email me their suggestions 19:40 jwagner They can't just edit in the wiki, correct? 19:40 jwagner They don't have git functionality. 19:40 jwagner One of my new sites wants to suggest some revised wording to the manual. How's the best way to handle that, now that you're doing it through git? 19:39 nengard yes 19:39 jwagner nengard, online? 19:33 sekjal it's been one of those "I forgot about datelastseen" kinda days 19:33 jcamins Okay, thanks. 19:32 sekjal oh, right 19:32 chris datelastseen 19:32 sekjal I don't think there are any others 19:32 sekjal jcamins: items.holdingbranch and items.onloan come to mind 19:31 jcamins Are there any fields in the item record on Koha that change when an item is checked in. 19:30 jcamins Let me try that question again, this time using words that relate to what I want to know. ;) 19:30 jcamins Yes, and it wasn't what I asked about. 19:30 owen You were thinking of something different? 19:30 owen Normally Koha changes the holding branch to the checkin location 19:29 jcamins Is there any way to automatically change the location of an item when it is checked in? 19:19 owen Granted, our data goes back to 1997. But yeah, ouch. 19:18 nengard lots of lost books? 19:18 nengard uh oh 19:12 owen Answer: Ouch! 19:12 owen select sum(replacementprice) from items where itemlost > 0; 19:05 druthb hi, chris! :) 19:04 chris morning 18:43 atz sounds good 18:42 chris_n atz: open a bug and assign it to me, if you like 18:33 rhcl http://www.more.net/connections/sessions/2011-03-18T08:15 18:33 rhcl Well, OK sports fans. It looks like we will be presenting on Koha at the spring state tech conference. Welcome any comments or suggestions.... 18:29 nengard you too magnus 18:28 * magnus wishes #koha a wonderful weekend 18:19 atz so that won't do it 18:19 atz looks like we just do: $params{'module'}->VERSION lt $PERL_DEPS->{$params{'module'}}->{'min_ver'} 18:09 magnus oops 18:08 atz for example, it says Graphics::Magick needs updated from 1.3.12 to 1.3.5 18:07 atz hmmm... the koha_perl_deps.pl script doesn't seem to really understand $VERSION numbers 17:49 drulm ok, coffee break - Thanks! 17:47 drulm owen: Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking of ! Ha! 17:47 drulm owen: (of course) 17:47 owen Safe for work 17:47 drulm I am afraid to look :) 17:45 owen And we all know what the other half is: http://28.media.tumblr.com/ZHhkC08l4qknvwufIUtOWFrQo1_400.jpg 17:45 sekjal you're welcome. thanks for testing and providing feedback 17:44 drulm Thank you 17:41 drulm sekjal: Well, knowing is 1/2 the battle --- and that's one to grow on. 17:40 sekjal drulm: great! 17:39 drulm sekjal: Great ghosts Batman it worked. Thanks! I had to enable writing for that directory 17:32 drulm Ah, sys pref! King! 17:31 sekjal system should be automatically generating them depending on your dontmerge system preference 17:31 drulm (whoops) hit twice sorry 17:31 drulm sekjal: how do I put them there? 17:31 drulm sekjal: how do I put them there? 17:31 drulm probably not 17:30 drulm sekjal: hmmm 17:30 sekjal drulm: do you have records in $SOMEWHERE/tmp/modified_authorities 17:30 drulm Tried it, didn't do anything 17:30 ibot jcamins: I forgot not sure 17:30 jcamins ibot: forget not sure 17:29 sekjal I can tell 17:29 ibot sekjal: i'm not following you... 17:29 sekjal seriously, ibot? 17:29 ibot not sure are you using git? 17:29 sekjal drulm: not sure.... 17:27 drulm ??"? 17:27 drulm misc/migration_tools/merge_authority.pl -b -n -v 17:24 drulm ... on the test machine 17:24 drulm :0 :) 17:24 drulm - ker-blammo - 17:23 drulm I guess I could just run it and try.... 17:23 drulm It is calling merge_authorities.pl 17:22 sekjal drulm: it should do that, yes. couldn't get a clear answer out of reading the code,though, as to whether it really does 17:18 drulm It sounds like it does this in the docs, but ... :) 17:18 drulm Wondering if it does the following: Updates biblioitems.marc for any authority records which have changed data ex: in the 100 field, etc. 17:17 drulm looking at : misc/migration_tools/merge_authorities.pl Does: Updates biblio data with changes to authorities records Required by: dontmerge system preference 17:16 drulm any gurus here today? 17:16 ibot hi, drulm 17:16 drulm hello 16:59 magnus on_the_wiki++ # ;-) 16:56 sekjal still in draft... but I can get it cleaned up and on the wiki 16:56 hdl We also have somme wheels in motion. 16:55 hdl Where is the spec ? 16:55 sekjal probably won't be writing it all myself (it's a big job), but the wheels are in motion 16:55 sekjal got a spec started, working on getting funding 16:55 hdl Are you rewriting that ? 16:55 sekjal hdl: that's actually happening 16:55 cait and patron accounts ;) 16:54 cait hehe 16:54 hdl sekjal: you forgot reserves ;) 16:54 cait hm. 16:54 sekjal cait: yes, I checked the calendar... not a problem there 16:54 sekjal in the alternate reality where I have free time, I'm working on a rewrite of both Accounts and Notices that will make these jobs vastly easier 16:54 cait sekjal: have you checked the holidays? 16:53 sekjal yeah 16:53 cait easy to miss something 16:53 cait fines and notices... hope I get it set up correctly 16:53 cait first library starting next week 16:53 cait sekjal: we don't use fines yet 16:52 cait nothing you want to read before lunch ;) 16:52 sekjal thanks, slef. I figured it was easier for me to ask here than to try to read the fines.pl code before lunch 16:51 slef sekjal: I've had no reports yet, but I'm not sure if we would get them or if they'd just fix them themselves, report to us later. 16:51 atz :) 16:50 owen I hear atz is also available for felling vast stands of timber: http://library.ohio.gov/Marketing/PR/2011/January#NewStaff 16:49 sekjal did anyone have any issues with fines accrual over the new year? like items due in Dec, but returned in Jan not having incremental increases for the days in 2011? 16:43 cait you are welcome :) 16:43 jcamins Thanks. 16:43 owen lost is the field in the database I think 16:42 jcamins Ah, yep. I see it. 16:42 cait it's on the bottom of the huge edit screen for borrowers 16:42 owen cait is right. You can edit the patron record to set that flag 16:41 slef must be a configuration or syspref difference 16:41 slef the demo is running the same code... argh 16:40 cait like gonenoaddress 16:40 cait it's a field in the borrowers table 16:40 * cait thiks 16:40 jcamins cait: how would I know if that had been done? 16:39 cait jcamisn: you can block the patron card lost 16:38 slef Actually, I wonder why the demo is running 3.0.5 and not the same code as teh client library. Time to investigate :-/ 16:38 jcamins Okay, so there would be no way to indicate if, for example, a card was lost. 16:38 slef oh heck... our demo (still 3.0.5... must upgrade) displays it correctly :-( 16:37 owen Circulation warns you if they are expired. 16:37 owen It doesn't mark them, but patron records have an expiration date 16:36 jcamins Does Koha mark patrons as expired in any way? 16:23 slef Thanks. 16:22 slef At least it narrows it down. 16:21 slef I'll look at git log on some opac-detail files and see if there's any relevant fix. 16:21 owen master 16:21 owen latest from git 16:20 ibot somebody said 3.2 was a stable version and is not supposed to have entering a lot of new syspref 16:20 slef 3.2? 16:20 owen Switched to normal, still see the URL 16:20 slef but no-one remembers this problem? 16:20 slef I'll see if I can try it on another server :-/ 16:19 slef well, the problem site keeps using normal view in OPAC although we've suggested they change 16:19 owen Let's see... default normal view in the staff client, XSLT view in the OPAC 16:18 slef owen: using default normal views? 16:17 owen slef: I'm seeing a URL displayed in that record both in the OPAC and the staff client 16:17 jwagner owen, I see the comment you mean but am tied up today; I won't have a chance to look at it closely. I'll try to get to it next week. Thanks. 16:14 slef I can see it too. :-/ 16:14 slef "phonecoop.coop A record currently not present" 16:14 slef well, it looks like it's a complaint about a missing A record 16:13 thd slef: I might guess that the complaint is about no MX record 16:13 slef thd: can you forward me the error at work, please? address being msg'd to you 16:13 slef which isn't a good sign 16:13 slef http://www.thephone.coop/support/service-status mentions "An update is due around midday 31st December" 16:12 thd slef: that is the message I had when my koha list message to you bounced 16:12 slef let me ask them 16:12 slef thd: ooh, crikey 16:12 thd slef: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=phonecoop.coop type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type 16:12 slef thd: as far as I know. Why? 16:11 owen Got it. 16:11 thd slef: Is phonecoop.coop working correctly? 16:10 cait slef 16:10 * cait waves to slep 16:10 slef sent, thanks 16:07 owen Send MARC to oleonard@myacpl.org 16:06 slef I can send you the record as XML or MARC. Where to? 16:06 owen Doesn't help me, sorry. 16:04 slef (OCoLC)ocm01569649 16:04 slef owen: I have what I think is an OCLC number. Would that work? 16:01 owen slef: Is it a record we could grab via z39.50 to see for ourselves? 16:00 slef What really puzzles me here is the record that doesn't display URLs or Subjects looks much richer than the one which does. 15:56 wizzyrea yvw 15:56 owen Thanks for checking wizzyrea 15:55 slef I'm seeing a problem with koha not displaying URLs returned by C4::Biblio::GetMarcURLs() that I'm sure I've seen before, but I haven't found it in bugs or the mailing lists. Can anyone remember why this happens? 15:54 slef hi all 15:54 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/14bnU5fCwt2y 15:54 wizzyrea it removes a deleted lost item from the list of lost items 15:54 wizzyrea It still works that way in our production install owen 15:52 druthb hi, cait! :) 15:52 cait hi #koha 15:48 owen (hard to test in production!) 15:48 owen wizzyrea: The question is, when a lost item is deleted, does it still show up in the patron's list of lost items? 15:47 jwagner owen, in mtg right now, will look in a bit 15:47 wizzyrea hmmm 15:45 owen Maybe wizzyrea can confirm whether this bug exists in her production system 15:45 owen The comment about deleted items not appearing in the list 15:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4241 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Add lost/claims returned displays to patron record 15:45 owen jwagner: PTFS's fix for Bug 4241 could probably be accepted if the bug I comment on could be resolved. 15:41 atz so i share the confusion w/ many 15:41 atz georgia.gov seems to think it's a system: http://www.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,4802_48888468_50553103,00.html (crediblility diminished w/ a broken link) 15:37 atz so it does 15:36 gmcharlt atz: that's what it says right on their website 15:36 thd atz: SFLC lawyers are accustomed to explaining the issue to other lawyers, however, they are also accustomed to being patient :) 15:36 atz gmcharlt: rly? maybe i'm just crazy 15:36 gmcharlt atz: umm, "Service" 15:35 atz thd: they don't write and release a lot of software 15:35 magnus thanks 15:35 thd atz: Are the lawyers not accustomed to making legal decisions? 15:35 atz "system" 15:35 gmcharlt magnus: right 15:35 magnus GPLS = Georgia Public Library Service? 15:35 atz but they aren't really accustomed to making such decisions 15:34 atz yeah, i expect in months they'd eventually say "Ok, whatever"... 15:34 thd gmcharlt: We may have to delay the ballot issue until Koha 3.6 lacking some other resolution. 15:33 gmcharlt and, frankly, it's is not something they're likely to consider a high priority to act quickly on 15:33 thd gmcharlt: Have them talk to lawyers at the Software Freedom Law Center 15:32 gmcharlt thd: I doubt that the folks are GPLS are going to object, but they likely will have to get their own lawyers to sign off, which would be time consuming 15:31 thd gmcharlt: I like someone explain to whoever is responsible at GPLS that using GPL + is no problem because even if we upgrade Koha as a whole collection of files to AGL 3 + or GPL 3 + it would be polite to retain the original licenses of third party software included in Koha. 15:31 jcamins Perhaps I'll e-mail koha-devel proposing that issues should have a UNIQUE index on itemnumber. 15:31 sekjal and, as I recall, BibLibre has done just that, with some mixed results 15:31 sekjal now reserves... there's a table that needs a primary key column 15:31 jcamins Agreed. 15:30 atz sekjal: indeed, don't mess up the data 15:30 sekjal any situation where we may want it to look like an item is checked out to two different people should be dealt with using some kind of higher level logic/script, not multiple, confusing db entries 15:29 jcamins sekjal: that was my feeling as well. 15:28 sekjal jcamins: no, no primary key in issues table. and no, you should never have the same item checked out to two different borrowers at the same time 15:28 sekjal jcamins: wow, getting in late on this one, sorry..... 15:28 thd Not all the answers in the GPL FAQ were given or vetted by lawyers but the ones mentioning issues such as standard communication protocol most likely have been approved by lawyers. 15:28 rhcl Would it be relevant to mention Kyle Hall's direct connection from libki to Koha for login authentication? 15:27 atz but it will evolve to be more distinct 15:26 thd A standard communication protocol is one of the program distinguishing tests given in the GPL FAQ. 15:26 atz right now it isn't very separate... 15:24 thd atz: A special Koha only API may not qualify as a standard communication protocol for distinguishing two separate programs . 15:23 thd atz: What we should avoid is a special API unique to Koha for communicating with OpenNCIP. 15:23 jwagner "because it's our library board's policy and We Must Do It" 15:23 atz "why would you do such a crazy thing?" 15:23 jwagner yep... 15:22 owen jwagner: This we know becaues of the enhancement requests we get from those migrating customers! 15:22 jwagner Just wanted to point it out... 15:22 thd gmcharlt atz: MySQL was the example for which I had obtained the opinion of lawyers at the Software Freedom Law Center. 15:22 jwagner jcamins, that doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that Koha should do it :-) 15:22 owen jwagner: You can probably cite any possible example of ridiculous functionality by referring to a proprietary ILS 15:21 gmcharlt right, let's send *that* digression right out ;) 15:21 thd gmcharlt atz: Just a hypothetical example. 15:21 jcamins jwagner: darn! 15:20 atz i really don't think we should be messing w/ mysql code. 15:20 thd gmcharlt: We are assuredly safe in the MySQL case because we have not modified the MySQL code. 15:20 gmcharlt I assume that "specifically modified version of MySQL" is a hypothetical? 15:20 jwagner jcamins, Unicorn does have the ability to check items out to more than one person at a time, and there are rare situations when it is used 15:19 thd gmcharlt: Maybe that would resolve the problem, however, if we had our own specially modified version of MySQL, then we would have the same GPL 2 only encumbrance. 15:18 wizzyrea so it *looks* like it's checked out to two people 15:18 wizzyrea biblibre has some code that shows a child's checkouts on the guarantor's account 15:18 gmcharlt thd: it would have the effect of making the OpenNCIP code be treated as a separate library for licensing purposes 15:17 atz gmcharlt: that was the approach i was taking (though limited) 15:17 wizzyrea unless it's a parent/child 15:17 jcamins wizzyrea: that was my response too. 15:17 thd gmcharlt: Would that then separate the OpenNCIP code from Koha as a separate program? 15:17 gmcharlt jcamins: certainly not for physical items 15:17 * wizzyrea can't think of any reason either 15:16 wizzyrea !! 15:16 * owen can't imagine there is 15:16 jcamins Is there any valid instance when you should be able to have the same item checked out to more than one patron? 15:16 gmcharlt thd: the fork of OpenNCIP embedded in Koha with the separate OpenNCIP library 15:15 thd gmcharlt: What would be merged with what? 15:14 gmcharlt thd: right; general reworking of OpenNCIP aside, the current need as far as Koha is concerned is basically just a big merge 15:14 thd gmcharlt: If the code in Koha was somehow unfinished or too buggy to actually use then there might be a reason to drop the code from Koha pending resolution of the license invocation issue but as you explained that is not the case. 15:13 atz i have an old communication w/ d.fiander where we discuss some long-term goals for the code. it will require major changes (to namespace) 15:12 wizzyrea atz! hi! 15:12 atz right 15:12 gmcharlt as, well, that's what's immediately available 15:12 gmcharlt thd: there are rather a lot of Koha libraries using the forked copy of the SIP2 code 15:11 atz thd: they are not using the sipserver repo code. they are using the patched version as submitted. 15:11 atz that was what prompted me to put sipserver in a git repo 15:11 thd atz: Are people using the version in Koha in production to your knowledge? 15:10 atz gmcharlt: in fact, many of the Koha enhancements were already added when I did SIP work at ESI 15:10 gmcharlt thd: OpenNCIP was designed to allow that, the main issue now is to merge back any enhancements add to the Koha fork 15:09 thd atz: Does the code work well? 15:09 gmcharlt atz: ah, cool 15:09 atz gmcharlt: actually that recent patch was to harmonize w/ existing sipserver repo. 15:09 thd gmcharlt: If the problematic code could be cleanly separated and used with standard communication protocols that might help but our hands are dirty modifying the upstream code which could then encumber us with the license invocation complication. 15:08 jcamins Is there no primary key on the issues table? 15:06 nengard thanks owen!! 15:06 owen nengard: That's the process I followed to test Harley branches 15:06 owen I would appreciate edits from anyone who knows better! 15:06 owen I added a page on using git cherry-pick: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Using_Git_Cherry_Pick 15:05 gmcharlt no real problem with that, but that only delays breaking the SIP2 library back out 15:05 thd gmcharlt: atz had reported that he was modifying the code already in Koha for work which he was doing as opposed to starting over. 15:04 thd gmcharlt: Yes, that is an option but I do not know how much work that would be. 15:04 gmcharlt which would be a way of avoiding the issue and gaining a technical boon in the form of better modularity 15:03 gmcharlt or rip out the copy of OpenNCIP code and write a proper SIP2 driver 15:03 thd s/ballot on/ballot on Koha/ 15:02 thd gmcharlt: I think it is well worth resolving the OpenNCIP license issue before a ballot on license upgrade to not confuse the issue for the ballot. 15:01 kf ok, gone for today! bye all :) 15:01 kf jcamins++ for spending time with me talking about analytics ;) 15:01 gmcharlt thd: thanks 15:01 paul_p (as usual ;-) ) 15:01 paul_p owen++ 15:01 thd gmcharlt: message forwarded 15:01 owen Okay paul_p, done. 15:01 kf jcamins++ 14:59 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5584 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, BibLibre OPAC improvements for 3.4 14:59 paul_p could you add this to bug 5584 pls ? i'll try to fix i asap (not today : a customer has a server gone dead, going to reinstall koha :\ 14:59 hdl owen: too many rebase kill the work 14:58 owen :) 14:58 hdl owen: paul_p is the bot 14:58 paul_p 'morning owen 14:52 owen (what bot failed to catch that paste, or am I pasting in the wrong place?) 14:51 owen hdl: Errors when testing the origin/new/awaiting_qa/enh/bug_5584 branch http://paste.koha-community.org/119 14:50 atz indeed, happy to be back around 14:50 hdl Welcome 14:50 hdl Happy new year (Great to see you here) 14:50 atz greets hdl 14:50 hdl hi atz 14:50 hdl And we have to fix that. 14:50 hdl But our master also has some problems because we introduced reserves->{reservenumber} 14:49 hdl hi reserves are a pain. We fixed some things. 14:48 owen Hi hdl 14:48 hdl hi owen 14:48 thd gmcharlt: I posted an email to the Koha list. I will forward you a copy. 14:47 gmcharlt please send me an email and I will follow up 14:47 gmcharlt either on behalf of Equinox or GPLS directly, not sure which 14:47 gmcharlt David Fiander was a contractor doing work for hire 14:46 atz let me check old email... 14:46 thd atz: Do you have a telephone number for him? 14:46 thd gmcharlt: Yes, I am asking who to contact at GPLS about OpenNCIP copyright. 14:46 atz thd: David Fiander is the person I had contact with. 14:45 gmcharlt thd: the OpenNCIP code's original copyright belongs to GPLS 14:44 gmcharlt good morning 14:44 thd atz: Do you have any names and telephone numbers for GPLS people who could be appropriate to contact about clarifying the copyright license invocation for OpenNCIP / Open SIP 2 code? 14:43 nengard owen i got more info on that 530 issue and it looks like an enhancement request - so i'm going to put it in as such 14:32 jcamins atz: install_misc/ubuntu_maverick.packages 14:32 atz http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=install_misc/ubuntu.packages # was what I was looking at 14:32 jcamins Good morning, sekjal. 14:31 sekjal morning, atz, jcamins! 14:28 jcamins I think the file name is packages.maverick. 14:27 atz oh? let me try it again then... 14:24 jcamins See packages.maverick. 14:24 jcamins atz: everything's already been packaged for Ubuntu. 14:23 larsw what kind of extending? 14:21 atz still new at it though 14:20 atz yeah, i'm looking at extending the packaging for ubuntu 14:18 larsw becuase if Koha has added dependencies, I assume Robin's his usual awesome self and has created packages for them :) 14:18 larsw by May, all Koha dependencies were packaged, and the packages were in Debian squeeze; I assume that is still the state 14:18 magnus atz: i think you want to have a little chat with robin when he wakes up ;-) 14:16 jcamins atz: everything is packaged now, I think. 14:16 atz larsw, ah, ok.... i'll start poking around there. i think some of the things that were documented as not being packaged yet are now packaged 14:15 larsw atz, everything I did got committed into a git repo, probably on git.catalyst.co.nz, but anything I did was in May or earlier, and Robin's been maintaining it since, I don't know where he does stuff 14:13 atz i can see Lars apt repo, but i haven't been able to find if he was running the process off of git behind that? 14:13 atz no gamecube here yet... but we do have some big monitors that it would look good on :) 14:12 magnus yay! 14:12 atz greets magnus 14:12 jwagner Does cubespace equal gamecube? 14:12 magnus hi atz 14:12 atz i've been looking at the debian/ubuntu packaging that Lars started. 14:12 atz just started around xmas 14:11 owen atz: Do you get to do anything fun in your cubespace? 14:10 atz even better! 14:09 owen And some of those people are actually here! 14:09 atz good to see the channel is well populated 14:09 jwagner welcome back atz 14:09 atz thx, owen 14:09 owen Hi atz, congratulations 14:08 kf hi atz 14:08 atz greetings from my new cubespace deep in the post-industrial facilities of the State Library of Ohio 14:08 * owen fixed some, but still there are problems 14:07 * owen is frustrated with OPAC holds errors too 14:05 nengard sorry, opac 14:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5590 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, error message on holds not consistent 14:05 owen nengard: Bug 5590 refers to the OPAC or the staff client? 14:02 munin owen: The operation succeeded. 14:02 owen @later tell hdl Getting some search errors while testing origin/new/awaiting_qa/enh/bug_5584 13:57 thd slef: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=phonecoop.coop type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type 13:52 thd slef: are you here? 13:50 jwagner Guten tag, kf 13:44 kf morning jwagner 13:42 jwagner kia ora, magnus! 13:42 magnus kia ora jwagner 13:33 magnus hiya owen and nengard 13:29 kf hi owen ) 13:28 druthb howdy, Owen! :) 13:28 owen Hi 13:28 nengard hiya owen 13:02 kf hi nengard :) 13:02 druthb hi, nengard! :) 13:02 nengard morning all 13:01 nengard oops, opened XChat but got distracted with work and forgot to log in :) 12:38 druthb hi, kf! :) 12:38 jcamins Good morning, kf. 12:38 kf good morning druthb and jcamins 12:33 magnus time to light a fire in the fireplace and make some lunch... 12:33 munin druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is -1.4�C (7:30 AM EST on January 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.38 in 994.8 hPa (Steady). 12:33 druthb @wunder 20852 12:33 druthb brrrr. it's cold here, but not that cold. 12:33 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0�C (1:20 PM CET on January 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -13.0�C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady). 12:33 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 12:28 jcamins Hello, magnus. 12:28 druthb hi, magnus! 12:28 magnus hiya druthb and jcamins 12:20 druthb hi, jcamins. :D 12:20 jcamins Hello, druthb. 12:18 druthb :) g'mornin'. 12:11 jcamins Good morning, #koha 10:35 Oak heya kf 10:35 kf hi Oak 10:35 Oak \o 08:01 hdl hi kf 07:59 kf morning hdl 07:45 pianohack Hi, though, have a good evening :) 07:45 pianohack bleh, actually, should disconnect, messing with wifi 07:45 magnus wb paul_p and pianohack ;-) 07:43 paul_p hello world :D 07:43 paul_p bye bye world ! 07:43 paul_p2 staying on firefox for this channel ;-) http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=61918 07:42 paul_p2 ()& hey, it's a problem with chrome ! 07:41 magnus that is strange! 07:40 paul_p hey... when I type on the key on the keyboard, nothing happends ! bloody french-keyboard support on mibbit [I never had this problem before] 07:40 magnus hm, that seems to work for me (as parenth) - with FF on Ubuntu 07:39 parenth paul_p: & ( ) 07:39 parenth paul_p: ( and ) 07:38 ibot hola, sophie_m 07:38 sophie_m Hello 07:38 magnus hiya paul_p, pianohack, sophie_m and Amit 07:35 Amit heya paul_p, magnus 07:34 kf morning paul_p 07:34 paul_p does anyone know why you cant type opening parenthesis or the amp; on mibbit ? 07:34 paul_p hi brendan and brendan_2. And happy new year ! 07:34 paul_p good morning everybody ! 07:33 magnus ata marie and welcome back, kf ;-) 07:33 kf ata marie magnus 07:32 Amit kf: same to u dear ;) 07:32 kf happy new year :) 07:32 kf hi Amit 07:32 Amit heya kf 07:20 francharb morning kf 07:19 kf morning francharb 07:05 francharb hello #koha 06:48 brendan_2 you too :) 06:48 kf hi brendan_2 - happy new year! :) 06:47 brendan_2 hiya kf 06:47 kf good morning #koha 05:35 Brooke goodnight #koha 05:35 Brooke right past troll bedtime 04:45 Brooke :) 04:45 Amit heya Brooke 04:31 Brooke http://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/features/01042011/association-ripe-rebellion 04:25 druthb hi, Brooke. :) 04:25 * Brooke waves at druthb 04:25 druthb o/ 04:09 Brooke holy crap it's atz 01:55 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up on fix for Bug 4820, Alter layout of Circulation and fines rules page 01:55 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow up on fix for Bug 5570, item types not showing on other editions 01:55 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5570 - item types not showing on other editions 01:55 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #268: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/268/ 01:31 hudsonbot Starting build 268 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_4820' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88fb22f081efd80675b3b9eb8a62b1e802f89ca8> / Follow-up on fix for Bug 4820, Alter layout of Circulation and fines rules page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10c52de1fa507123b85a36928473ab8bdec419d8> / Follow up on fix for Bug 5570, item types not showing on other editions <h 00:45 Nate Hi Chris! 00:44 chris heya Nate