Time Nick Message 00:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a95385c23a1c6fc2738350774d04b858b78c4eae> 00:01 hudsonbot Starting build 264 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:03 chris http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/01/open-source-community-building-a-guide-to-getting-it-right/ 00:08 * gmcharlt read that initially as "open source community is building a guide to getting it right", and wondered what the scope of "getting it right" could be 00:08 chris heh 00:08 chris the joining a community is pretty bang on 00:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #264: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/264/ 00:24 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold 00:27 russ chris: that is a good, well referenced article 00:32 chris yep, pointed at by glynn moody, via david friggens 00:39 richard heya russ 00:41 russ howdy 01:01 druthb o/ 01:01 chris heya druthb 01:02 chris while australia are busy being thrashed by england, its the perfect time to watch 01:02 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE 01:11 robin does it contain the ultimate TV cricket experience? Slow motion replays of people walking away. 01:12 chris heh 01:26 druthb nice video! 01:31 ricardo I have to go to sleep now. Take care! :) 01:32 chris cya ricardo 02:14 thd chris are you present? 02:15 chris yep 02:15 thd chris: Are you one of the moderators who can approve my koha mailing list message with too many recipients? 02:15 chris which list 02:16 chris if its the main one, then yes 02:16 thd the koha list yes 02:16 chris done 02:16 thd How many recipients is too many? 02:16 chris about 5 02:17 chris it actually catches a lot of spam 02:17 thd I have exactly 5 including the list itself. 02:17 chris must be 4 then :) 02:17 chris currently it catches people who have had their gmail account owned 02:18 chris and are sending messages saying they are in spain and have lost their passport 02:19 thd I wanted to be certain to give specific attention to two principle opposing advocates and two concerned parties for the OpenNCIP / SIP 2 code issue. 02:19 chris right 02:19 thd opposing meaning on opposite sides from each other. 02:20 thd chris_n: had been the strongest advocate of some upgrade aside from myself. 02:20 chris i want agpl3 02:20 chris but will settle for gpl3 02:21 chris and the patent protection it contains 02:21 chris but i dont want to stay gpl2 02:21 thd Compromise is immoral :) 02:21 thd The patent protection is quite weak 02:22 chris its stronger than what we have now 02:24 robin oh, reminds me. I'm in Spain and I've lost my passport. 02:25 chris heh 02:35 druthb My new gig is as a government official in Nigeria. We're trying to transfer money out of the country, you see, to keep it safe from politcal upheaval. If you help us, you can keep some! :) 02:37 robin druthb: Chris is already busy doing that for some relation of his. 02:38 druthb ;-) 03:06 Brooke kia ora 03:06 robin g'day 03:06 Brooke how fare ye? 03:07 chris hiya Brooke 03:07 robin good enough for needing a nap. 03:07 Brooke is it opposite day? 03:08 robin yes? no? what's the right answer? 03:08 Brooke whatever one matches good enough for a nap 03:08 Brooke since in my world bad day = nap/ 03:09 robin oh. I meant that it's good, but a nap for a few hours would improve it some. 03:09 druthb hi, Brooke! :) 03:09 * Brooke nods to druthb 03:40 Amit heya all 03:40 druthb hi, Amit! :) 03:41 Amit hi druthb 03:42 * Brooke waves at amit. 03:43 Amit heya Brooke 03:44 * Brooke does not want to hazard a guess at the goings on downstairs. 03:44 Brooke it *sounds* like plumbing 03:44 Brooke but there's a bit of sawing 03:44 Brooke and a bit of chat.... 03:47 druthb a bit late for plumbing activity, other than emergencies, I'd think. 03:51 Brooke then I certainly don't wish to know what's metal and being sawed through... 03:51 * Brooke thinks the word we were missing earlier was "Tenet" or "Tenets" 04:37 druthb hi, Oak! :) 04:37 Oak hiya druthb :) 04:38 Oak \o 05:40 sunitab i would like to generate a report where it will list all titles and copies of those titles hw to generate that report 06:48 hdl sunitab: use the report tool and create an SQL request 07:01 francharb hello all 07:02 Oak hello francharb 07:58 magnus kia ora hdl and #koha 07:59 hdl hi magnus 08:04 Amit hi hdl 08:04 hdl hi Amit. 08:05 hdl Have you received my email. 08:05 hdl I thought I had sent it on 24th December. 08:05 Amit yes rec ur mail 08:05 Amit but in french 08:05 hdl I know it would require translation. It will be done. 08:05 Amit hmm 08:06 hdl I will try to send it today. 08:07 hdl I have tried with google translate. I have the text. Just need to make that fit 08:07 hdl (at least for acquisitions.) 08:08 hdl mainly : purpose is to add Invoice management. 08:08 hdl And search on data wherever possible 08:41 sunitab hi hdl i tried but didnt get can u tell me what fields tobe added 08:42 cait morning #koha 08:47 magnus hiya cait 08:47 chris Evening 08:54 cait hi magnus and chris :) 08:55 magnus good evening, chris 08:58 cait t 09:00 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 09:00 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (9:50 AM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). 09:00 chris @wunder wellington nz 09:00 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 09:01 magnus ooh, too bad about the showers 09:05 chris Bit warm for sleeping too 09:08 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:08 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0�C (10:00 AM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Freezing Drizzle. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 09:14 magnus @wunder helsinki 09:14 munin magnus: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is -3.0�C (10:50 AM EET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 09:17 magnus i'll be there in two weeks, hopefully giving a small talk on "how to contribute to koha" http://lanyrd.com/2011/hmdc/ 09:25 chris Ohh cool 09:25 chris Our last finnish developer set the bar pretty high :) 09:26 magnus hehe 09:28 magnus i think there is some interest in koha in finland, at least on the grassroots level - they have a pretty monopolized library landscape, i think 09:28 chris That'd be cool 09:30 magnus yeah you'd think the home of linus would be into free software... ;-) 09:32 magnus i'll make some slides outlining the whole bug/rfc/git/patch/signoff/etc process maybe over the weekend and post them somewhere so people can have a look and correct me if they want 09:33 chris Sounds like a plan 09:35 magnus :-) 09:59 cait :) 10:38 larsw magnus, nobody is a prophet in their home... or whatever the English version of that saying is; Linus is from Finland, so obviously Finland can't be serious about software freedom 10:38 magnus larsw: yeah, an all too common phenomenon 10:39 larsw magnus, interestingly, I am going to be in Helsinki 19th and 20th (well, leaving on the 20th) 10:39 magnus and koha started in nz so nz libraries should be real sceptical about it... 10:40 larsw magnus, if you have free time at some point, perhaps we should have coffee or lunch or something in Helsinki 10:41 larsw out of curiosity, how are the Koha Debian packages holding up? 10:41 magnus larsw: that would be really cool, i'll arrive some time on the 18th and leave in the evening of the 20th... 10:42 larsw magnus, my schedule while in Helsinki is somewhat unclear still, but could you e-mail me (liw@liw.fi) when you know when you have free time? evenings are probably best for me; do you know where you'll be staying? 10:44 magnus larsw: i will stay at rivoli jardin, just south of esplanadi. the conference is at suomenlinna, so we will be "stuck" there most of the time. i'll get in touch when i know when i will arrive etc 10:44 larsw magnus, cool 10:45 magnus yay! 13:17 druthb Hi, magnus! :) 13:21 magnus hiya druthb 13:30 cait hi druthb :) 13:32 druthb :D howdy, cait! 14:01 * druthb waves to sekjal 14:01 sekjal morning, druthb! 14:18 cait_a morning sekjal :) 14:18 sekjal morning, cait_a! 14:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 14:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (3:00 PM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling). 14:25 druthb @wunder 20852 14:25 munin druthb: The current temperature in Kemp Mill/Silver Spring, Silver Spring, Maryland is -1.4�C (9:25 AM EST on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). 14:29 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 14:29 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0�C (3:20 PM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). 14:30 Oak @wunder islamabad 14:30 munin Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 10.0�C (7:00 PM PKT on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 14:30 magnus what it doesn't mention is the wind in bod�: "Near gale, 15 m/s" 14:32 * druthb hands magnus an anchor, just in case. 14:32 magnus thanks druthb - but this isn't too bad ;-) 14:33 druthb wouldn't want you to blow away! :) 14:36 magnus ;-) 14:43 briceSanc Hello all ! 14:43 briceSanc do you use Koha in mod_perl? 14:53 magnus briceSanc, from what i understand there are some problems in the code that makes it unsuited for mod_perl - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3_4_Release_Manager#mod_perl 14:55 jcamins_a Is there not a dropdown for searching by place of publication on advanced search? 14:58 briceSanc magnus, ok thanks for the link but nobody try to use it ? 14:59 jcamins briceSanc: I think chris was poking at it. 14:59 jcamins Also BibLibre. 15:00 briceSanc ok 15:00 magnus briceSanc: yes i think people have tried and found memory leaks and other nastiness. but i'm only passing on things i have heard here, maybe hdl could fill us in? 15:06 thd Hello paul_p 15:06 paul_p hello thd 15:07 magnus jcamins: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?expanded_options=1 Publisher Location? 15:07 magnus kia ora paul_p 15:07 thd Why can we not use both -a and -x with rebuildzebra.pl? 15:08 jcamins magnus: but that doesn't allow you to choose. 15:08 thd Are we not using XML with authority records? 15:08 jcamins I mean, you select "Publisher location" in the dropdown, then have to type in the appropriate abbreviation. 15:09 magnus jcamins: you are looking for a dropdown populated with all the publisher locations actually present in the database? i don't think i have seen that... 15:10 jcamins I thought there was one with all the possibilities. 15:10 jcamins One for all the locations actually present in the database would be *even more amazing*, though. 15:10 jcamins I guess I imagined the publisher location limit. 15:12 magnus "all the possibilities" - wouldn't that be a list of all named places in the world? ;-) 15:12 jcamins No... 15:12 briceSanc magnus, Thank you, I'll keep searching. 15:13 jcamins http://www.loc.gov/marc/countries/countries_code.html 15:13 jcamins We could also limit it to the most probable ones, like we do with languages. 15:14 thd jcamins: We could create a value list of likely possibilities 15:15 thd Most publishing is quite concentrated in a few places where the major publishers are. 15:16 jcamins thd: yeah, that was my thought. 15:16 jcamins Well, actually, my thought was that we'd already done that, but clearly I was wrong. 15:16 magnus i guess i was thinking of 260$a... 15:16 thd Eventually we should have a feature for browsing all the place names indexed. 15:18 jcamins thd: agreed. 15:19 thd magnus: It is MARC 21/NORMARC 260 $a about which jcamins has been asking 15:19 jcamins thd: no, I was thinking of 008/15-17. 15:20 thd 008 is much easier 15:20 thd 008 has a discrete value list 15:20 jcamins thd: yeah, that's why I thought we would have a dropdown. 15:20 magnus yeah, a list of countries is easier to handle then a list of places... ;-) 15:22 thd magnus: Even places in 260 $a are not especially difficult because major publishing is highly concentrated 15:23 jcamins thd: though the rule that says "transcribe" makes early modern books rather challenging. ;) 15:23 thd The difference is merely that 008 uses defined value lists and 260 $a is merely transcribed from the material 15:24 thd transcription and only transcription for some information is a difficulty 15:25 gregglind so, getting starting on koha dev on osx, feeling a bit overwhelmed. starting at http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ . this reasonable? 15:25 gregglind and I need to install virtualbox too I assume? 15:26 jcamins gregglind: yes, and yes. 15:26 jcamins I have a Mac at home, and run Koha on Debian in VirtualBox for development. 15:26 thd We could do much with place name synonyms using existing geographic authority records 15:26 gregglind I see on that link that one just updates the installation using the usual git stuff. 15:27 jcamins thd: yeah, but that would require better support for authorities. 15:28 jcamins (which would be a very good thing, of course) 15:28 jcamins gregglind: yes, you'll want to use git for updating, so that any developments can be submitted to the community. 15:28 hdl briceSanc: work on memory has not gonne too far at the moment 15:29 thd jcamins: Better support for authorities is essential for finding things well without knowing exactly the right term in advance 15:29 thd hdl: Why can we not use both -a and -x with rebuildzebra.pl? 15:30 jcamins thd: agreed. 15:30 hdl thd: I donot know. I allowed that for us 15:30 hdl no problems 15:31 briceSanc hdl, ok but what is the problem with the memory ? 15:31 thd hdl: You modified rebuildzebra.pl to not stop with both -a and -x? 15:32 magnus briceSanc: i think circular dependencies are a problem - sekjal has been looking at those, i think? 15:33 sekjal I did some work on identifiying which C4 modules used which others, and seeing if there were any cycles within that 15:33 sekjal there definitely are 15:34 sekjal but I'm not sure if it's a problem 15:35 briceSanc Do you have this error with mod_perl : Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' ? 15:35 thd sekjal: Is there an automated means of checking for such cycles? 15:36 sekjal thd: I wrote a script that generates a .dot file, which can be viewed to find cycles 15:36 sekjal that's as fancy as I got 15:37 thd sekjal: What type of file is .dot file? 15:37 sekjal graph 15:38 hdl briceSanc: other problem is with ZOOM. and xslt 15:38 sekjal http://bywatersolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/C4dep-new-colored.pdf 15:39 sekjal kind of intimidating... the next generation of my script intended to do some filtering to remove any modules that are not both used and using 15:40 hdl sekjal: have you tried Marc chantreux script ? 15:40 thd hdl: How can XSLT have recursion problems assuming a finite document is being parsed and the upstream parser has no recursion bugs? 15:41 hdl thd: XSLT calls C4::Search And C4::biblio 15:41 hdl and C4::Search is calling C4::XSLT 15:41 sekjal hdl: no, not sure which script you mean. don't have it in my records 15:41 thd hdl: OK C4::* can certainly have problems. 15:42 hdl sekjal: i sent that script onlist some time ago maybe 2 months ago 15:42 sekjal will check 15:44 sekjal ah, found it 15:46 thd good morning nengard 15:46 nengard hiya 15:46 thd I have a question about the copyright license invocation for the manual 15:48 thd It would be helpful to to follow the text linking to the copyright license with an or later version option clause. 15:49 thd nengard: Do you understand to what I am referring? 15:52 thd nengard are you still here? 15:57 nengard was testing patches 15:57 nengard you want it to say GPL 3 or later? 15:58 thd Yes 15:58 nengard no prob 15:58 nengard will do 15:59 thd There is probably no reason the 3.2 manual will matter in 15 years or whenever GPL 4 comes out but you never know. 16:00 jcamins nengard: don't worry. _I_ think your manual will develop a cult following. ;) 16:00 thd nengard: if jcamins is right then the or later version at your option clause is very important. 16:01 thd nengard: The sacred text of a new cult. The Koha 3.2 manual :) 16:01 nengard :) 16:01 nengard goofy boys 16:01 thd nengard: Ideally there are some timeless sections. 16:02 * druthb looks over at this window, catches up, waves at owen, and laughs a lot. 16:02 druthb nengard, you'll be the high priestess of the cult. have to get you a box to stand on for the "high" part, maybe. ;-) 16:03 nengard ha ha - and i don't want to be a priestess anymore than i want to do any mothering 16:03 jcamins nengard: deity? 16:03 druthb +1 16:03 thd nengard: My grandmother used to say that I was a goopus. 16:03 thd nengard: have you seen the goops books? 16:04 jcamins Argh! Field 751 is missing? 16:04 jcamins How is 751 missing? 16:05 * owen takes his work on Bug 4354 and dumps it in the garbage 16:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4354 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Cannot edit existing issuing rules 16:05 thd jcamins: really? 16:05 jcamins thd: I'm not seeing it. 16:06 * thd checks 16:06 nengard hmmm ... i got a strange error pushing the manual ... anyone understand this? 16:06 nengard nicole-c-engards-macbook-pro:clonedoc nengard$ git push 16:06 nengard Counting objects: 27, done. 16:06 nengard Delta compression using up to 2 threads. 16:06 nengard Compressing objects: 100% (14/14), done. 16:06 nengard Writing objects: 100% (14/14), 1.53 KiB, done. 16:06 nengard Total 14 (delta 6), reused 0 (delta 0) 16:06 nengard To gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:kohadocs.git 16:06 nengard 8ea470c..d47f728 master -> master 16:06 nengard ! [rejected] manual3.2.x -> manual3.2.x (non-fast forward) 16:06 nengard error: failed to push some refs to 'gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:kohadocs.git' 16:06 nengard To prevent you from losing history, non-fast-forward updates were rejected 16:06 nengard Merge the remote changes before pushing again. See the 'non-fast forward' 16:06 nengard section of 'git push --help' for details. 16:07 jcamins nengard: yes, you did a git commit --amend after pushing. 16:07 nengard no i didn't .... 16:07 nengard I did a push and got that 16:07 nengard nothing after 16:07 jcamins After your previous push, I mean. Maybe? 16:07 jcamins That's what it means when I get that message. 16:07 jcamins Or it means I've rebased. 16:08 nengard hmmm ... nope, never had to amend on the manual, strange 16:08 nengard do i understand that right that the master was updated but not 3.2.x 16:09 jcamins I think so, yes. 16:11 nengard i'm so confused, it says that i need to merge changes before pushing again .. but i do git status and have no changes to merge 16:12 owen nengard: I see your question about rebasing other people's patches and I'd be happy to write up instructions 16:13 nengard woo hoo :) thanks owen 16:13 jcamins I don't know how to do it, but I think you probably need to pull what's currently in the repository, and then merge your local branch. 16:13 jcamins Not sure how that works exactly, though. 16:13 nengard i did this: git reset --hard origin 16:13 nengard but it says the last commit was the one that failed 16:13 nengard but if you look at the log it's not there ... 16:14 nengard gonna have to ask gmcharlt, chris_n or chris :) 16:14 magnus huh? spam in pootle? http://translate.koha-community.org/nb/32/nb-NO-i-opac-t-prog-v-3002000.po/translate/?search=author+a-z&sfields=source&sfields=target 16:14 jcamins magnus: there's a ton of spam in the Russian. 16:14 cait magnus: it has happened before 16:15 magnus ok, i've just been lucky not to see it, then... 16:15 cait I think chris cleaned the files from it 16:16 thd jcamins: 751 subfields may have the wrong values for hidden. 16:16 chris_n nengard: most likely you did some sort of git reset which has messed up the history 16:17 nengard strange, i know that i've never done that on the manual (on my koha git sure - but not the manual) 16:17 nengard so, how do we recover from this? 16:17 jcamins thd: no, they're not in the framework at all. 16:18 hudsonbot Starting build 24 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:18 thd jcamins: they are in my uncommitted incomplete update of the framework 16:18 chris_n nengard: do you have changes which are not pushed yet? 16:18 nengard yes 16:18 nengard i'm trying to push them and they keep getting rejected 16:19 nengard but it's not a big deal if i lose them 16:19 nengard it's a few characters - i can redo it 16:19 chris_n do this 16:19 chris_n git reset --hard HEAD 16:20 nengard nicole-c-engards-macbook-pro:clonedoc nengard$ git reset --hard HEAD 16:20 nengard HEAD is now at d47f728 add note to licence to encompass future licenses 16:20 nengard which is actually not HEAD for the 3.2.x branch 16:20 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/manual3.2.x 16:20 nengard it is the HEAD of the 'master' branch 16:20 nengard nicole-c-engards-macbook-pro:clonedoc nengard$ git branch 16:20 nengard bug5495 16:20 nengard * manual3.2.x 16:20 nengard master 16:22 chris_n is it the last two commits to master that you want in 3.2.x? 16:22 chris_n you can do 'git log manual3.2.x' to see where the tip is currently in that branch 16:23 nengard it's the last commit to master that i want in 3.2.x (not the last 2) 16:23 nengard wow, strange 16:24 * chris_n hangs on the edge of his desk 16:24 nengard sent you the paste in a private message since it's so long 16:33 briceSanc hdl, magnus, sekjal, thank you for your answers, we will try to debug mod_perl and Koha, Do you have a script to help us? 16:34 hdl briceSanc: The thing we tried is to use wip/Plack branch from wip/koha-biblibre.git 16:35 briceSanc er question: What are the optimizations that can be made to Koha when we have thousands of users simultaneously (approximately 100) ? 16:36 hdl use squid 16:36 hdl there has been an interesting thread about that and answers from mason 16:36 hdl There is also usage of nginx 16:39 magnus there are some hints here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Tuning 16:41 nengard okey dokey chris_n rocks! the manual git repo is back in business 16:41 chris I would recommend against squid, you are using iit as a reverse proxy, when it is designed as a forward proxy 16:41 nengard chris_n++ 16:41 chris It doesn't scale well 16:42 chris If you want a caching reverse proxy varnish is a lot better 16:43 chris (Coming from the hundreds of thousands of concurrent users experience) 16:43 chris_n hmm... I know a researcher who uses 1000+ squids in reverse proxy mode to tap collector data off of CERN 16:44 chris That's forward 16:45 * chris_n may be wrong... an all-to-often-true event 16:46 chris When you are serving content, 1 varnish will outperform 50 squids 16:46 chris When you are sucking content squid wins 16:46 owen When you are serving sashimi, squid wins over varnish. 16:47 chris That's what its designed to do 16:47 chris Using nginx and load balancing over multiple apaches is another way to do it 16:47 thd jcamins: The last upates to the English MARC 21 frameworks in git were not by me and some people had introduced old errors or I could have goofed previously. 16:48 thd jcamins: LibLime was never willing to pay me to verify the accuracy of my own work systematically. 16:49 thd jcamins: I merely fixed errors as I found them but missing 751 is a large error which may have been the result of a careless edit. 16:50 jcamins thd: I submitted a bug, so when I get a chance I'll try to get a patch out. 16:50 Oak heya Brooke :) 16:50 Brooke eyah 16:50 Oak that sounds like a kick 16:51 thd jcamins: I have some incomplete work from 2008 on an update for all the English MARC 21 frameworks but I had run out of time to finish it. 16:51 jcamins thd: and there are all the new RDA fields, too... 16:51 chris_n chris: actually those squids are serving content from two http servers 16:51 thd jcamins: It took about 5 days as in 2008. 16:52 thd jcamins: I cannot commit the current state of that update because it needs some reconciliation with other prior changes to avoid breaking things. 16:52 chris_n http://frontier.cern.ch/squidstats/indexcms.html 16:53 chris_n for anyone interested 16:53 thd jcamins: It is also not self consistent which means more days work. 16:53 ibot okay, thd. 16:54 jcamins ibot: jcamins: it? 16:54 ibot it is long or not self consistent which means more days work. 16:54 chris chris_n: i posit then,he could replce them with 10 varnishes and outpeform his current rig :) 16:54 thd jcamins: The big problem is that I forgot where I had left off, although, I could try to see from a diff. 16:54 jcamins ibot: forget jcamins: it 16:54 ibot jcamins, I didn't have anything matching jcamins: it 16:54 jcamins ibot: it? 16:54 ibot rumour has it it is long or not self consistent which means more days work 16:54 jcamins ibot: forget it 16:54 ibot jcamins: I forgot it 16:54 chris_n chris: I'll pass the suggestion along :) 16:55 Brooke oh ibot 16:55 Brooke you ensure my jester job security. 16:55 thd jcamins: RDA is becoming important. Does anyone want to sponsor my finishing the update? ;) 16:56 chris_n as another interesting aside, the software which does the data distribution from cern is foss 16:56 jcamins thd: I am of the same mindset as my cataloging instructor... I was hoping to have retired by the time they implemented RDA. 16:57 chris you probably will have 16:57 druthb ibot: Brooke? 16:57 ibot Brooke is important to us!! 16:57 jcamins chris: woohoo! 16:57 druthb hm. 16:57 Brooke ibot: forget brooke 16:57 ibot Brooke: I forgot brooke 16:57 druthb ibot: Brooke? 16:57 ibot wish i knew, druthb 16:58 thd chris: Why can we not use both -a and -x with rebuildzebra.pl ? BibLibre are using both in a modified version with no apparent problem.? 16:58 druthb It said something about the sweetest little lady south of the Potomac, earlier, Brook. 16:58 druthb *Brooke. 16:58 chris because we dont have that modified version 16:59 Brooke clearly has no idea what it's talking about :P 16:59 thd chris: I had not considered until a moment ago that they may have modified more than rebuildzebra.pl. 16:59 thd chris: What was the reason for not use both -a and -x with rebuildzebra.pl ? 17:00 thd s/use/using/ 17:00 paul_p chris, I suspect the patch for this is in BibLibre-various branch [but unsure] 17:00 paul_p [why the hell can't I open a parenthesis under mibbit...] 17:00 paul_p [good morning chris and al though] 17:01 thd paul_p: Do you mean that rebuildzebra.pl is patched in BibLibre-various? 17:01 paul_p thd yes it is 17:02 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #24: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/24/ 17:02 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: add note to licence to encompass future licenses 17:02 thd paul_p: Do you know the original reason for not using both -a and -x with rebuildzebra.pl? 17:03 paul_p thd: nope, definetly. And that's why I'm not sure it's in BibLibre-various {and even not sure it's somewhere. But if it is, it's on git.biblibre.com, definetly} 17:07 thd paul_p: My check shows only 2 unrelated commits on git.biblibre.com for rebuildzebra.pl. 17:08 paul_p so we don't have this anywhere and I don't understand your "BibLibre are using both in a modified version with no apparent problem.?" 17:09 thd paul_p: hdl reported to me earlier today that he allowed both to be used and had no problem. 17:09 paul_p thd I don't know what he was speaking of, sorry 17:10 paul_p I just can promize that everything is on git.biblibre.com, or there's something I don't know ! 17:10 thd paul_p: The question is of indexing authority records in Zebra as MARCXML instead of ISO2709. 17:10 hdl thd must be there 17:11 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=blob;f=misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl;h=ee3606df59a2b2c2a1b192a4848f99a418a1fbf4;hb=4d94ee6657f56cfec69eb142c22b63d09b0302cf 17:11 thd hdl: maybe my search was insufficient 17:12 hdl thd: see there is not limitation on authorities for xml 17:12 hdl indexing 17:13 thd hdl: OK, The only thing which concerns me is whether you have no problem because of some other changes. 17:14 hdl I donot think so. I just discoverd it "happened" to work. 17:14 thd hdl: I am presuming the code to stop both switches being used at the same time had originally been added for a good reason. 17:14 hdl (And saw no reason why it should not) 17:14 hdl oh... 17:14 paul_p thd maybe, but you can also presume the reason has disappeared and no on realized it ! 17:15 hdl We still donot use both switches at the same time 17:15 hdl because it still does not work... 17:15 sekjal as I recall, the inability of authorities indexing in XML is the DOM v. GRS-1 issue that authorities have 17:15 thd hdl: OK. Well that is what I was trying to discover. 17:16 hdl oh... unimarc is indexing authorities as GRS1 17:16 thd hdl: Presumably the problem is in how the *.abs file is configured. 17:17 sekjal I remember dealing with this a long time ago, and it boiled down to unequal DOM support between biblios and authorities 17:17 sekjal but I could be wrong 17:18 thd sekjal: That must be the case but Zebra makes no distinction so it has to be Koha code or Koha Zebra configuration to account for the difference. 17:18 hdl sekjal: is there any DOM support for biblios ? 17:19 thd hdl: There is in tumer's code/fork :) 17:19 sekjal hdl: no, no DOM support for biblios as far as I know 17:19 sekjal thd: I think its just a matter of us writing the right configurations for DOM biblios 17:19 sekjal and no one has had the time yet 17:20 hdl yeah tumer+++++ 17:21 thd sekjal: Yes, I presume something like that to be the issue and hope that there is no hidden problem in Koha code. 17:21 hdl (I had also a dom_config branch) 17:21 hdl using a dom2abs from indexdata. But this dom2abs is not coping with range attributes. 17:22 hdl So 008 and 100$a and all those coded fields would fail. 17:22 hdl I thought I would fix that... But no time 17:23 hdl see http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/dom_wip 17:25 thd hdl: I expect to be improving Solr/Lucene support in future rather than Zebra unless we discover a great problem with Solr/Lucene. 17:25 paul_p thd++ 17:25 paul_p ok, time to go back home and have some time with my loved wife and my 4 small monsters 17:26 paul_p [oups, it's not a monster, it's my children/boy...] 17:26 paul_p ;-) 17:26 thd paul_p: I am merely surprised that no one realised the lack of Unicode support for Zebra in 2005. 17:26 thd happy monster hunting paul_p :) 17:26 sekjal time for some lunch. brb 17:33 thd At moment using both -a (index authorities) and 17:33 thd -x (export records as MARC XML) is not allowed - 17:33 thd if the Zebra authority database is using the DOM 17:33 thd filter, zebraidx will not be able to process the 17:33 thd exported records correctly. 17:33 thd http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commitdiff;h=57d128f72781fc854936ab0c4e8dffde167108bc 17:47 chris nengard: can you fix the clock on the system you send patches from? 17:48 chris its signing off on patches before they have been written (quite confusing) 17:48 nengard chris i try to remember to reset the time when i turn it on, but sometimes forget 17:48 nengard it's not on all of the time 17:48 chris install ntpdate 17:49 chris or ntp 17:49 chris and it will reset the time itself when it boots 17:49 gregglind fwiw, I am getting nowhere on installing the vitual image for koha for virtualbox on osx 17:50 owen gregglind: Why not try installing from scratch? 17:50 gregglind in either vdmk or vdi format. 17:50 chris i would follow the link robin sent yesterday 17:50 jcamins gregglind: I installed from scratch, and it was super easy, so perhaps you'd be better off trying that. 17:50 gregglind I am sooooo lazy though 17:50 jcamins I'd never used the appliances, so I just assumed it would be easier. 17:50 owen Your sense of accomplishment will be empowering 17:51 gregglind owen, I respectfully disagree. 17:51 nengard gregglind i had huge problems too ... and not can't seem to figure out how to get another vm set up so i can have a 3.2 machine and a HEAD machine 17:51 jcamins gregglind: moreover, you won't be so frustrated. 17:51 gregglind I'm not frustrated *yet*, but this sort of thing should be even more streamlineable, which is a bit of critique I realize. 17:52 gregglind I do pretty sophisiticated packaging all day at work so my tolerance for it is quite low :) 17:52 chris well you could use the packages 17:52 chris if you used a real OS :) 17:52 nengard ntpdate installed 17:52 gregglind fair enough. 17:52 chris http://debian.koha-community.org/ 17:52 gregglind but even then would be better to go from source. 17:52 jcamins chris: it would be easy enough to install from the packages under VirtualBox. 17:53 chris yup 17:53 jcamins gregglind: but isn't your goal to run from git so that you can edit it? 17:53 gregglind yes. 17:53 jcamins gregglind: here's my suggestion. 17:53 jcamins Install the latest version of Ubuntu. 17:53 jcamins (on VirtualBox) 17:53 nengard i had dinner with gregglind a few months ago and he was intrigued by Koha 17:53 jcamins Have a coffee. 17:53 jcamins Or six. 17:53 jcamins It took ages to download for me. 17:53 gregglind or rather, 'continue my day job' 17:53 jcamins Anyway. 17:54 gregglind I can do it all from there. 17:54 chris id still install koha-common 17:54 gregglind I am still learning how to set up the vbox 17:54 chris that pulls in all your dependencies 17:54 chris then do a git clone 17:54 gregglind ah, that is wise, for deps 17:54 chris and install koha from there, that way you dont monkey around 17:54 jcamins chris: that's why I was suggesting Ubuntu. 17:55 chris squeeze will work better 17:55 jcamins Everything's already in the packages. 17:55 chris everythings in packages, and in main, (not multiverse) 17:55 chris hence being checked by debian security people 17:55 jcamins chris: but don't you have to upgrade Debian to Squeeze still? 17:55 gregglind how much ram will I really need? 17:56 chris jcamins: you can just install squeeze now 17:56 jcamins gregglind: at least 1GB for your host. 17:56 jcamins chris: really?!? Awesome! 17:56 jcamins gregglind: I have 4GB, so I have the VirtualBox using 512. 17:57 jcamins gregglind: to clarify, that's at least 1GB *total* RAM on the host. 17:57 chris jcamins: yeah you just get the iso for it 17:57 gregglind Ah, I meant for the vbox :) 512 is what I was going to do. 17:57 jcamins chris: neat. Last time I tried, I had to install Lenny and then upgrade. 17:57 gregglind so any consensus here? Debian (which one?) vs. Ubuntu? 17:57 jcamins gregglind: Debian Squeeze. 17:58 gregglind I assume we don't need to track bleeding edge Postgres or anything :) 17:58 chris jcamins: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ 17:59 chris id go with the netinst version there 18:00 gregglind Oy! 18:02 gmcharlt slef: will any of the libraries you're working with participate in the union catalog of UK public libraries that OCLC just announced? 18:02 gregglind okay, so I made an image for virtualbox, now I have to go find an installer and go through normal debian install? 18:02 gregglind is that really what the next step is? 18:02 jcamins gregglind: yep. 18:04 jcamins thd: around? 18:07 gregglind okay, maybe I will try this again later. 18:08 owen Are the UBUNTU install instructions accurate with regard to the current recommended way to run zebra? 18:10 chris what does it say owen? 18:10 chris use the cron job? 18:10 jcamins They say to use rebuild_zebra, but the instructions don't tell people about the new markings file. 18:11 chris new markings file? 18:11 jcamins Uhhh... 18:11 owen "it's recommended that you daemonize the Zebra process and add it to your startup profile." 18:11 jcamins Maybe I imagined it. 18:11 jcamins I can't find the bug. 18:12 jcamins No, I didn't. 18:12 jcamins Bug 5520. 18:12 chris owen: yes that bit is right 18:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5520 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, RESOLVED FIXED, No .packages file for Ubuntu Maverick 18:12 jcamins The instructions should be updated for that. I didn't think of that until owen asked just now. 18:12 chris owen: its just the rebuild_zebra bit you dont want daemonized 18:14 owen Okay, thanks, I always get confused there 18:15 chris yeah, its tricky 18:15 chris jcamins: good point 18:42 briceSanc hdl, magnus, chris, thanks for your answers! 18:45 chris np 18:51 magnus program from muriwai beach, nz on norwegian tv right now - don't think i'll ever go for a swim there... 18:54 chris heh 18:56 jcamins Time to close up here. 18:56 jcamins Good night, #koha. 18:57 * chris goes to catch his bus 18:57 chris bbiab 18:59 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e6afe34af0085693044082e890fcc7d75730353> / Fix for Bug 5571 - tags as bulleted list too long <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6ac25ea06419cac8141ad74f862c75fcc440d00> 19:01 hudsonbot Starting build 72 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 1 mo 0 days ago) 19:01 chris Back 19:08 nengard welcome back 19:14 chris Another quiet bus ride 19:14 chris Most ppl still on holiday it seems 19:18 magnus yeah, that was quick ;-) 19:18 chris Still on the bus but no one else is 19:24 magnus ah 19:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #72: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/72/ 19:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5571 - tags as bulleted list too long 19:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold 19:27 * chris_n pushes a fix to make hudson happy again 19:27 chris_n !hudson build koha_3.2.x now 19:27 hudsonbot chris_n: job koha_3.2.x build scheduled now 19:27 hudsonbot Starting build 73 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 1 mo 0 days ago) 19:28 chris :) 19:28 chris Ok my stop bbiab 19:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Removing OPACNoResultsFound Enhancement Syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48fa2dbea49549b8edded91f8b5488dceddb19a5> / Fix for Bug 3347 - Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54aedd795a525d1d8a4d7fbf4cc5045786607473> 19:35 chris_n !hudson botsnack fresh ground coffee 19:35 hudsonbot chris_n: great! yum yum. how did you know that fresh ground coffee is my favorite food? 19:35 chris_n errr 19:35 chris_n maybe drink? 19:35 nengard hehe 19:36 magnus chris_n: you didn't specify that the coffe had been brewed, just ground... ;-) 19:37 druthb eeeeeewwwwwww 19:38 nengard is hudson that smart? 19:50 magnus !hudson botsnack freshly brewed coffee 19:50 hudsonbot magnus: you're so kind to me! I could eat freshly brewed coffee all day long 19:50 magnus nope ;-) 19:50 drotsk neat 19:50 drotsk o/ 19:51 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed! 19:51 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #73: FIXED in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/73/ 19:51 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3347 - Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl 19:51 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Removing OPACNoResultsFound Enhancement Syspref 19:51 chris back 19:51 druthb !hudson botsnack well-sauteed mailing-list trolls 19:51 hudsonbot druthb: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I could eat well-sauteed mailing-list trolls all day long 19:51 * druthb giggles 19:52 * owen prepares his stack of nominations for the next snack 20:00 * magnus wonders if "sudo" is needed for "make install" even when the install is a dev one into the users own home directory? just curious... 20:02 chris if it does any chown at all 20:02 chris then yes 20:05 magnus and it probably does lots of stuff like that behind the scenes... 20:09 Brooke kia ora 20:09 chris hi Brooke 20:12 magnus \o/ Brooke 20:12 Brooke :D 20:12 * Brooke feels the love. 20:19 * Brooke waves to darling and davi 20:19 * drotsk waves to Brooke 20:20 * darling waves back 20:20 * wizzyrea feels like she's at a large sports event and the peoples are doing the wave 20:20 darling ooo 20:21 drotsk hi darling 20:21 * druthb waves to wizzyrea, so she doesn't feel left out. 20:21 davi I do not know how to swim 20:21 * darling sees a line of little desk cameras so we can try that 20:21 larsw h, darling, long time no see 20:21 darling larsw ! 20:21 davi I do not like the water 20:22 Brooke we'd have to time it with latency. 20:22 davi I hope I do not break a waves party :) 20:23 darling larsw, did you see I cited you for loving thoughts? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment 20:23 darling er, target for 20:24 larsw darling, I didn't! I don't follow Koha much these days, just #koha occasionally :( 20:24 larsw though just the other day I was wondering how the Debian packages of Koha are doing :) 20:25 darling doing very nicely, robin's been keeping them live 20:25 larsw excellent 20:25 larsw give robin a cake :) 20:25 darling and I've even been making packages myself on other projects (new wrms build) 20:26 larsw debian packages ftw ! 20:26 darling yep 20:27 larsw is there any movement towards getting the Koha .debs into Debian itself? 20:27 larsw once Debian gets the current development version released 20:27 darling no idea 20:28 chris yep, we are slowly working on tidying up copyright statements 20:28 * Brooke sneezes *Ubuntu* 20:28 larsw Ubuntu is one of the lovely children of Debian :) 20:28 darling I'm a little less up on things, have moved to L2 20:28 Brooke aye it is 20:28 darling Ubuntu is tacky 20:28 darling I like it less each day 20:29 larsw mostly, anything people want to get into ubuntu is best uploaded into Debian first, so everyone benefits 20:29 darling it makes me feel old 20:29 larsw darling, L2, eh 20:29 darling larsw, yep -- I'm no long the Fairfax guy 20:30 darling which is pretty exciting and relazxing 20:30 darling (I still can't type tho) 20:30 larsw darling, then I congratulate you :) 20:30 darling thanks 20:30 larsw got to go now, be happy everyone :) 20:31 Brooke cheers 20:31 darling bye! great to see you 20:41 Brooke wb owen 20:45 wizzyrea sekjal++ 20:45 * sekjal looks around, confused 20:46 wizzyrea for 5586 20:46 * chris_n hands sekjal a cup of java 20:47 sekjal thanks, chris_n. we've been out of coffee here for a couple days 20:47 sekjal just drank my last energy drink, hoping it will kick in soon 20:48 chris_n time to play catchup with chris ;-) 20:48 magnus bug 5586 20:48 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=926ab8c54486a3cd5491d119dd0024ef94980d5b> / Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=782654d178ada36ea834c1738ec20e4df7956a19> / bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitd 20:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, P5, ---, colin.campbell, NEW, SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r 20:48 sekjal and 5586 is all Joe Atzberger's work. I just signed off and published it per his request 20:49 wizzyrea either way 20:49 sekjal (and tested, of course) 20:49 wizzyrea it's very helpful 20:49 Brooke that sounds like a jorb for the food exchange, sekjal 20:49 Brooke what sort of machine do you use? 20:50 sekjal Brooke: coffee machine? French Press 20:50 Brooke do you have a grinder or do you use the preground shtuff? 20:50 chris_n in that case Bodum is your friend 20:50 chris_n http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/home.asp?CHK=1288 20:54 sekjal Brooke: grinder 20:54 sekjal basic KRUPS model 20:54 Brooke good man 20:54 chris_n fresh grind is the *only* way to go :) 20:54 sekjal our CSA hasn't done deliveries for the last two weeks; normally, locally roasted coffee shows up at our door 20:55 Brooke lemme know if yer fix doesn't show soon and I'll send ye a care package. 20:55 * chris_n suddenly feels a craving for a cup of coffee 20:58 sekjal thanks, Brooke! 20:58 Brooke pfft thank me if I actually do anything. 20:58 sekjal back on Koha business, anyone recall if the 610 field is indexed in the subject index? 21:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aab10c2dc10b1b92821d95e039dd19d15ae1f4fe> / Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a68ac75c5523765539f8c2c811164b6c35fe585b> / bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi 21:01 hudsonbot Starting build 74 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: FIXED) 21:01 hudsonbot Starting build 265 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:05 magnus sekjal: melm 610 Name,Subject,Corporate-name http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs;hb=HEAD#l162 21:07 owen We need a mailing list autoresponder for the phrase "koha on windows" 21:08 drotsk ha 21:08 chris heh 21:08 Brooke don't let me write it ;) 21:09 chris "yeah ... nah" 21:13 Brooke holy cannoli, 848 to NZ over at Air NZ. 21:14 chris from? 21:14 Brooke LAX or San Fran 21:14 Brooke it's *always* LAX or San Fran to Aucklame 21:14 nengard that's a nice deal 21:14 Brooke indeed. 21:15 chris well you can get cheap ones on virgin aus 21:15 chris lax to wlg 21:15 chris every so often 21:15 * Brooke would prefer never to pass through Oz again if poss. 21:16 nengard chris i know! I got one of those :) 21:16 nengard but it wsn't that cheap 21:16 chris laurel got a 999$ nz one 21:16 chris which is probably a bit less than that 21:18 * magnus bids #koha a good night 21:32 Brooke don't all talk at once :P 21:32 druthb :) 21:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #74: UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/74/ 21:37 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips 21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup 21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber 21:37 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #265: UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/265/ 21:37 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips 21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup 21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber 21:37 owen hudsonbot to the rescue, Brooke 21:37 Brooke :) 21:38 owen time to go, and I didn't even get to my Action! Item! yet. 21:40 chris yep something in there broke one of the tests too 21:40 Brooke eh oh 21:41 chris REGRESSION ALERT 21:41 chris http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/265/testReport/junit/(root)/t_db_dependent_SQLHelper_t/DeleteInTable__branch__OK/ 21:41 chris in big red letters 21:41 * chris goes to investigate 21:42 Brooke Boozho! 21:47 chris hmm works locally 21:47 * chris logs in to where hudson is running to test 21:51 hudsonbot Starting build 266 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 21 hr ago) 21:52 chris worked at the commandline there too 21:58 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5006 - Invalid XHTML in record matching rules template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84205212b45ebaef1969e688fea1eb544cee78f4> 22:10 Brooke eeep 22:10 Brooke look at the time 22:10 Brooke cheers 22:12 sekjal goodnight, #koha! 22:14 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed! 22:14 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #266: FIXED in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/266/ 22:15 hudsonbot Starting build 267 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 22:39 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #267: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/267/ 22:39 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5006 - Invalid XHTML in record matching rules template 22:57 brendan_2 @wunder 93109 22:57 brendan_2 @wunder 93109 22:57 munin brendan_2: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9�C (2:57 PM PST on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising). 22:58 brendan_2 @wunder 06516 22:58 munin brendan_2: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is -1.9�C (5:39 PM EST on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through late Friday night... 22:58 Michael Hey Gang. Michael here (NCAR Library in Boulder) 22:59 chris hi Michael 22:59 Michael I gots questions. 22:59 Michael hi Chris 22:59 Michael I'm trying to make sense of Koha's Acquisitions features. (Funds, baskets, orders, etc) 23:00 chris what version of Koha are you looking at 3.2.2 ? 23:00 Michael I'm hoping someone can direct me to some instructional resources. (the Koha manual doesn't go into much detail) 23:00 Michael let's see...3.2.2 i think. 23:00 chris (the about page will tell you) 23:01 Michael ah, here we go. 3.01.00.145 23:02 chris ahh thats an oldish one 23:02 Michael meaning that acquisitions has changed somewhat since? 23:03 chris bound to have had bug fixes and stuff .. are you running a prerelease of 3.2.0? 23:03 chris (its pre 3.2.0 .. so 3 versions ago) 23:03 chris and which manual are you looking at? 23:04 * chris is just trying to figure out the best place to point you at, but first need to know what you have already looked at ;) 23:04 Michael Well, I guess i've been kind of "version ignorant"... 23:04 Michael i've likely been perusing this manual: http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2 23:05 chris yeah dont 23:05 Michael or this http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/ 23:05 chris koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company 23:05 Michael (same?) 23:05 chris no, koha-community.org is actually updated and right 23:05 Michael oh, okay. that's where my bookmark goes, actually. 23:06 Michael we're set up with a Training email list, so I really should post some questions on there. Just thought I'd pop on here first for some reason. 23:07 chris yep here is a good resource, if you have read the manual then probably the next place to look is the wiki 23:07 Michael okay 23:08 Michael I'll browse the wiki, and post some questions on our Training list. 23:08 chris cool, who's your support provider if you dont mind me asking? 23:08 Michael Thanks for getting me straight as to versions...I suppose we ought to look into upgrading soon from 3.01.00 23:08 chris bywater solutions have done some good video tutorials 23:09 chris yeah 3.1.x was unstable releases 23:09 Michael esilibrary 23:09 chris the second number should be even 23:09 chris ahh, they are good people too 23:09 chris they'll be able to help you out 23:09 Michael cool, thx chris 23:09 Michael signing off 23:10 chris heres one 23:10 chris http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=677 23:10 Michael k 23:10 chris i find the videos quite useful tools 23:10 chris thast the only acquisitions one i could find though 23:10 Michael great, thanks 23:50 chris heya atz