Time Nick Message 21:56 chris Thanks 21:56 Nate happy new year! 21:56 Nate hey Chris 21:55 chris Sup nate 21:47 Nate Greetings! 21:46 * druthb waves to Nate 21:39 druthb I've got a pretty good stack of empties...time to make something yummy in them, imma thinkin'. 21:36 druthb I think I have about three jars left from my last batch. 21:35 jcamins_a How many pickles do you have? 21:33 druthb 34 jars....if I had that many, they'd all be full of home-canned pickles, I think. 21:27 jcamins_a It is. 21:27 jcamins_a Which seems like it shouldn't be that many. 21:26 jcamins_a 34. 21:26 druthb it does, if you have a lot of them. 21:26 * jcamins_a had no idea that wrapping jars took so long. 20:57 * owen boggles. A Harley commit that includes changes to updatedatabase? Inconceivable! 20:39 Brooke time for the boob tube, methinks. 20:15 * Brooke loses sleep over Koha becoming less innovative. 20:15 Brooke yeah, that one is worrisome to me 20:14 owen Along with "if you want to change Koha just because your old ILS did it differently maybe you should just stick with what you've got" 20:14 * Brooke steals his a 20:14 * jcamins_a goes back to wiping all the dust off his various spice racks so they can be packed away. 20:13 jcamins_a Along with "your changes won't get in if they're implemented badly, and then it'll be a double headache." 20:12 Brooke along with "If you don't _want_ to share, stay proprietary." 20:12 Brooke it would also help if we Librarians related that to other Librarians 20:11 * Brooke feels that that statement ought be chiseled in Carrera someplace. 20:10 Brooke yes 20:10 owen It is incumbent on the support provider to make it clear to the client that their enhancements may not make it into the official version 20:09 Brooke the crappy part of that whatever being that it might be quite silly? 20:09 Brooke end of the day, isn't part of the appeal of OS and certainly Koha that you get *whatever* you want? 20:07 Brooke but I'm just a bullshitter, so what do I know. 20:07 Brooke but that ONLY solr is a bit dodgy. 20:06 Brooke I don't think the tripping point is that solr is uncool and not useful to more than one library 20:06 Brooke more frequent release of things in process also comes to mind 20:06 Brooke and I also think that the sticking point on that is more complex. recursive compatibility comes to mind 20:05 Brooke I think there must have been things under previous RMs that were similar. 20:04 ibot not sure are you using git? 20:04 Brooke not sure 20:04 Brooke mmm 20:04 owen I think the Solr discussion is probably the first big example of this conflict 20:03 Brooke but I wonder how to avoid that apart from participation. 20:03 Brooke I don't think we should be resentful that they just frittered some money away 20:03 Brooke it's just not cool 20:03 Brooke and um 20:03 Brooke like if a given Library wants summat 20:03 Brooke but I often wonder where the line is 20:02 Brooke like all of your wonderful OPAC stuff. 20:02 Brooke and I like that the community recognises cool enhancements and rolls them into the mainstream of things, 20:01 Brooke we've to start somewhere for enhancements 20:01 Brooke I'm still picking at the frayed ends of that concept. 19:57 * owen ends up asking this about many Harley enhancements 19:57 owen ...which makes me think they were done to satisfy someone who wanted it because that's the way they thought it should be 19:57 Brooke I think mebbe you should ask that in bugzilla. 19:57 owen You're right, the screenshots don't tell how the change improves things 19:56 owen It hasn't been approved 19:56 * Brooke trusts there *is* a difference or Chris would have tossed it. 19:56 Brooke just to show us how it sorted. 19:56 Brooke at very least they should have had a Pan A Cake 19:55 Brooke I prolly would have used Johnsons, but that's just me ;) 19:55 Brooke mmm the test that's in the attachments could have been more logically delineated. 19:53 owen I'm not sure how that's different from including the middle initial in the firstname field, sort-wise 19:29 Brooke and do the sorting ;) 19:29 Brooke look at the Patron 19:29 Brooke or rather allow the Librarian to look at it 19:29 Brooke seems to me like it'd sort one Johnson from another. 19:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3478 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Display patron middle initials 19:24 owen What is the purpose of Bug 3478? 19:23 chris right kids awake bbl 19:13 Brooke there's yer trouble. ;) 19:12 owen Photos exist. 19:12 Brooke try as I might, I can't picture you with long hair. Ever. 19:11 Brooke let your freak flag fly. 19:11 Brooke tee hee 19:11 * owen found that his barber had already begun his New Year's revelries 19:11 Brooke unshorn>?! 19:11 * owen returns, unshorn 19:04 hudsonbot Robin Sheat: Bug 5550 - correct filename referenced in docs 19:04 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #257: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/257/ 19:03 * owen goes to get his ears lowered 19:03 owen First round of wiki edits done 19:03 Brooke *nod* 19:03 druthb "We're logging that *you* did this, you know..." 19:03 Brooke "Fine, fine, I'll do it, but remember you told me to." 19:02 Brooke and 19:02 Brooke "Swear on your mothers' grave this is necessary." 19:02 Brooke "Snakes, why'd it have to be snakes?" 19:02 Brooke I've always thought there should be about 3 levels of confirmation messages that read summat like 18:57 wizzyrea_ that you don't really want to batch edit 18:56 wizzyrea_ very easy to accidentally select a bunc of stuff 18:56 wizzyrea_ the harley batch edit 18:56 wizzyrea_ though I'm terrified of that batch edit 18:56 wizzyrea_ unless it's a combine for a more complete feature, like the batch item edit 18:55 wizzyrea_ I think grey 18:55 owen Should something be red or gray if the Harley fix has been superseded by someone else's work? 18:55 Brooke grey looks closed, too 18:54 wizzyrea_ i think red is conflict, green is pushed, and black is "nothing done" 18:54 * owen doesn't understand the color-coding rules of http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFS_Harley_Integration 18:45 * Brooke tips her hat to Ruth. 18:45 druthb welcome back, Brooke. :) 18:45 * Brooke salutes Chris with respect. 18:45 chris hi Brooke 18:42 chris mostly because it was the first one in my inbox and was a no brainer to test :) 18:42 hudsonbot Starting build 257 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:42 chris robit gets the first commit of 2011 18:41 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5550 - correct filename referenced in docs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e88cee532643ce0cfbf1127c2b9ee2d6ede1cbb4> 18:33 chris he did fix it when i complained (at the least the missing one) so maybe a c- 18:22 chris he would FAIL 18:22 chris if i was tutoring his stats class 18:21 chris isn't counted 18:21 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=59677 18:20 chris also his list is missing some 18:19 chris he needs to get with the new milennium, only 11 years too late 18:19 chris vendor/support compnay should be a seperate column 18:17 chris splitting it up just makes it a pita to actually see how many switched 18:17 chris and there are definitely Evergreen - Independent too 18:16 chris theres more than 1 18:16 owen Is that because there isn't X number of non-Equinox Evergreen support companies? 18:15 chris or any other system for that matter 18:14 chris he doesnt have evegreen split up by support company 18:13 chris i still think marshall needs to figure out what hes doing 18:13 chris so far so good 18:13 * druthb waves to chris 18:12 * wizzyrea_ is dying to know 18:12 owen Happy new year chris, how's 2011 shaping up so far? 18:11 chris i personally think its doomed to failure but shared solutions are the buzzword at the moment 18:11 chris that they all share 18:10 chris but it will be a hosted spydus install 18:10 chris owen: their council has merged with 4 others in a 'shared solution' they havent actually switched yet either 18:09 * owen has been working off the "needs signoff" list in Bugzilla 18:09 owen I haven't been updating the wiki, I'm glad you reminded me of that page 18:08 owen Okay, I see how that could be interesting 18:07 wizzyrea_ it's more of a fluffy one for sure 18:07 wizzyrea_ it lets the librarians know if the patrons have been managing their own items 18:07 owen What's the point? 18:07 owen I was confused by that one wizzyrea_ 18:05 wizzyrea_ 3483 is a neat one too 18:04 wizzyrea_ http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFS_Harley_Integration 18:03 wizzyrea_ are you documenting on the wiki at all? I think there's a page for it 18:03 wizzyrea_ I'm glad that somebody is goin through that harley stuff 18:02 druthb owen++ 18:02 wizzyrea_ owen++ 18:02 wizzyrea_ good one 18:02 wizzyrea_ ooooo 18:02 owen I'm submitting a correction for that and expanding the list of fields it copies to include alt address, alt contact, etc. 18:02 wizzyrea_ I know we have a bunch of fixes on ours that aren't in the repo (afaik) 18:02 wizzyrea_ interesting 18:02 owen Easily fixed, though. 18:01 wizzyrea_ Ha! 18:01 owen You get nothing copied into the entry form! 18:01 wizzyrea_ how is it broken? 18:01 wizzyrea_ but that's fine 18:01 owen That's nice to hear wizzyrea_. The code in the repo is broken. 18:01 wizzyrea_ and that's about it 18:01 wizzyrea_ it propagates the last name, address, phone, email 18:00 druthb (Cheaper than Unicorn, but so are paper cards.) 18:00 wizzyrea_ owen: dupe patron works 18:00 druthb They did a demo for me when I was with the Abilene consortium. Totally, totally worthless, for what they needed there. 17:59 owen We balked at the 10K hardware upgrade they wanted for the new version 17:59 owen Spydus is what we left behind when we switched to Koha 17:58 druthb It's a decent-enough system, for a windows-based thing. 17:58 * wizzyrea_ will check 17:58 wizzyrea_ I don't think that it is 17:57 wizzyrea_ hmmmm 17:57 druthb The folks that are trying to push Spydus in the US tried to hire me back before I got on with LL. Clearly, they've had little success. 17:54 owen And in New Zealand?! http://www.librarytechnology.org/diglib-fulldisplay.pl?SID=20101231735900878&code=lwc&RC=29779&Row=2 17:53 owen Someone switched from Koha to Spydus? 17:53 owen http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl 17:49 * owen was just speculating about whether the "copy patron" functionality was broken for you 17:48 wizzyrea_ hi there 17:48 druthb hi, wizzyrea_ :) 17:48 wizzyrea_ it is 17:48 owen wizzyrea_, is it really you? 17:03 owen Easy enough fix. I'm also surprised that it doesn't copy more data from the source record. No alternate address info, no alternate contact info? 16:49 druthb I would hope so, too! 16:49 owen s/presumes/hopes 16:49 * owen presumes this must be fixed in production installations of Harley! 16:48 owen Ah: GetMember's parameters "should contain one or more pairs of borrowers column names and values, e.g., $borrower = GetMember(borrowernumber => id);" 16:40 * owen is investigating 16:40 druthb almost like there's somethin' missing from Members.pm that you need. 16:39 owen memberentry.pl: DBD::mysql::st fetchall_arrayref failed: fetch() without execute() at C4/Members.pm line 563 16:39 owen memberentry.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: called with 1 bind variables when 0 are needed at C4/Members.pm line 562 16:38 druthb I don't see it, owen. 16:38 druthb hm... 16:34 * owen wonders why he's getting a blank form when I tries a copy 16:33 druthb Grabbing those three would be consistent with the way that I was building things then. 16:31 owen druthb: any idea if I should be grabbing more than the last three commits here? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-ptfs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/Bug3475 16:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3475 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Add copy patron function 16:30 * owen tries to cherry-pick Bug 3475 but it doesn't seem to work 16:27 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 16:27 Brooke @roulette 16:02 Brooke howdy, miss 16:02 druthb hi, Brooke! :) 16:02 Brooke kia ora 15:56 owen How can I sign off on it while giving the submitter credit? 15:56 owen Okay, same as yesterday... Someone submitted a patch which works but doesn't work with git am. 15:27 druthb owen++ 15:22 * owen steps away from the mirror where he was chanting pianohacker's name 15:22 druthb you bet. 15:22 owen Okay, thanks druthb 15:20 druthb Yah, I think so. 15:20 owen Just prioritizing? 15:19 owen http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-ptfs.git;a=blobdiff;f=circ/circulation.pl;h=9b4f37c8369a6ba926f02d6feabd93e49e0f777a;hp=75e079c3d5b0bf3bc65e62ae56131762eed44f60;hb=c3516b0c8c7fce9589a0805d37876caa14617d69;hpb=9c54d010c05faff700b115be499534337f2ceaf1 15:19 owen I wonder why this change doesn't manage all the defaults from maninvoice.tmpl: 15:17 druthb Res was for reserve fees to have their own fine type, rather than M/Sundry. 15:17 owen Okay, that makes sense 15:16 druthb That patch, or something nearby, changed the way fines are set up so that still-overdue items have a separate fine code for still-accruing fines. F remains as it was--a Fine. FU is "Fine Updating". 15:15 owen Are those two codes that PTFS/clients use? 15:15 owen But there is also "FU" and "Res" 15:15 owen "L" and "F" I see as defined in maninvoice.tmpl 15:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3484 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Break down fee display on checkout tab 15:15 owen In pianohacker's work on Bug 3484 he references some accountlines.accounttype values 15:14 druthb I could try! :) 15:14 owen Hey druthb, maybe you can help me 15:08 druthb wizzy! :D 15:05 * owen wonder what the chances are of pianohacker stopping by... 15:05 pergi me too :( 15:02 jcamins No idea, sorry. 15:01 owen I mean, I know they are, but do those correspond to a canonical list somewhere else? 15:01 owen Does anyone know where the default manual invoice values come from? Are they simply hard-coded into template? 14:59 pergi thank you very much :) 14:59 pergi i will choose the default then :) 14:58 jcamins So the password doesn't matter, either. 14:58 jcamins It's not a system user, just a Zebra user. 14:58 pergi aha ok 14:58 jcamins Yes. 14:58 pergi this user will be created automatically when i will issue "make install" ? 14:57 jcamins You can just accept the default, and it will work. 14:57 jcamins pergi: you don't need to. 14:57 pergi but i haven't created any user with the name kohauser 14:56 pergi it says kohauser, as defualt 14:56 owen pergi: I always accept the default 14:55 pergi When it asks about "Please specify Zebra database user", what i have to write? :P 14:55 owen Not many people here today pergi, but go ahead 14:55 pergi Guys, i have a question regarding a question in Makefile.PL 14:54 owen Hi pergi 14:54 pergi hello 14:44 francharb ;) 14:44 francharb see you next year 14:44 francharb happy new year guys/ladies! ;) 13:31 owen paul_p: The timestamps on my patches are my own :) 13:31 paul_p owen, where is the koha-community.org server ? (i'm afraid you won't fix the last 2010, but probably you'll fix the 1st 2011 :D 13:31 jcamins But perhaps you meant a bug in Koha. 13:31 jcamins owen: my desk is slowly collapsing, and I can't put my computer on it. 13:29 owen Okay everyone, last chance to fix a bug in 2010. What'll it be? 13:27 paul_p farewell, don't drink too much. don't drive if you drink too much & see you later for a new year full of good things ! 13:27 paul_p i'll be back on monday, even if i have a meeting monday&tuesday. 13:26 jcamins Hapy new year, paul_p 13:25 owen Happy new year to you paul_p 13:25 paul_p I'll leave now (2PM here, but a lot of things to do for tomorrow : at least 18 ppl at home for lunch !) 13:25 paul_p have a good last day of the year for those who are on morning ! 13:25 druthb hi, paul_p! :D 13:25 Nate hiya paul_p 13:24 paul_p hello world. 13:24 Nate :) 13:24 jcamins Hello Nate. 13:23 Nate hiya Owen and jcamins 13:23 owen Not me. But I do Monday 13:20 jcamins I guess you don't get today off? 13:19 jcamins Hello. 13:19 druthb howdy! 13:18 owen Hi #koha 12:58 ebegin Happy New Year to all from Canada 12:57 Nate Happy New Years to all of you Kiwis and Aussies! 12:34 paul_p well... chris, happy new year ! 12:33 munin paul_p: Error: "logbot" is not a valid command. 12:33 paul_p @logbot say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) ) 12:33 paul_p say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) ) 12:33 munin paul_p: Error: "munin" is not a valid command. 12:33 paul_p @munin say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) ) 08:27 Amit heya francharb 08:20 francharb morning! 05:44 druthb o/ 04:28 jcamins And good night, #koha 04:28 jcamins Happy New Year, New Zealand! 03:41 Amit heya all 02:41 druthb Gosh, in the last decade, my career took a u-turn, then a quick left-right-left zigzag, I've had a marriage happen and fail, plus all sorts of other personal changes. 02:40 Oak how time flies 02:37 druthb hi, jcamins. 02:37 jcamins Has it ever! 02:37 druthb yup. It's been eventful, to be sure. For me, anyway. 02:36 Oak end of a decade, huh 02:36 Oak hello druthb :) 02:35 druthb hi, Oak. :) 02:35 Oak \o 00:56 chris for running on branches that arent being checked by hudson, (ie local branches) 00:54 chris actually yeah, the koha-git-upgrade.sh probably is 00:52 chris i wonder if any of it is actually useful anymore 00:52 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha-qa-tools;a=tree 00:52 chris i forgot i even wrote this stuff 00:52 chris heh 00:44 chris night cait 00:44 druthb cait, even. 00:44 cait good inight all and happy new year chris :) 00:44 druthb g'night, cat. 00:44 cait time to go to bed :) 00:43 * cait looks confused as always 00:43 cait hm? 00:42 * druthb runs in circles and yells real loud. 00:41 chris d 00:41 chris you guys are too lou 00:41 chris ssshhhhhh