Time  Nick        Message
23:35 chris       yup
23:35 robin       and a good thing to get into while the office is like the Mary Celeste
23:34 chris       thats a patch id accept
23:32 druthb      robin++
23:32 robin       I think it's time the shelf browser code got its own module so that we don't have SQL statements in the display generation code.
23:18 druthb      g'night, cait! :)
23:18 cait        good night all
22:22 darling     hi druthb !
22:22 darling     then I got distracted by something
22:22 druthb      :)  Hi, darling.
22:21 darling     just had to get the coffee working
22:21 darling     hi everybody
22:13 * druthb    pulls out her slingshot and watches ibot suspiciously.
22:13 ibot        ...but ibot is a clever being...
22:13 robin       ibot: I think you are right.
22:04 ibot        i think darling is a little nervous around bots.
22:04 chris       heya darling
21:48 magnus_a    g'night #koha
21:35 chris       and i think he actually tried to justify that whitepaper by saying he was playing devils advocate, or words to that affect if he hadnt tried to rewrite history by deleting the posts about it from his blog, id go find it and tweet it
21:33 chris       coming from the man who authored the whitepaper that equates open source with helping terrorists i find that utterly priceless
21:32 chris       http://twitter.com/sabram/status/20216529954017280
21:32 chris       the collosal irony of this
21:32 chris       OMG
21:29 cait        heh
21:29 * chris     decides not to reply
21:29 chris       https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1012&L=NGC4LIB&T=0&F=&S=&P=99306
21:28 * jcam_mib  is going now, though.
21:28 chris       but it does
21:28 chris       hmm i know i shouldnt let this annoy me
21:28 jcam_mib    No, jcamins demonstrating mibbit.
21:28 magnus_a    jcam - man in black?
21:22 chris       cool
21:22 drotsk      should be home this evening however
21:22 chris       ahhh
21:22 drotsk      she's been out of town the last couple days, visiting friends from university
21:20 chris       your lovely wife still off pedicuring herself?
21:20 magnus_a    hi drotsk
21:20 drotsk      and hi #koha
21:19 drotsk      hi chris
21:19 chris       drotsk my man
21:16 chris       we'll see what he says
21:15 chris       done
21:13 nengard     talk to you all later
21:13 nengard     k - time to log out and lay down a bit
21:12 chris       ill email the guy and ask
21:11 nengard     and yes add to koha!!!
21:11 nengard     chris that is cool - we just need to be able to do it in batches
21:11 chris       if so we could add it to koha
21:11 chris       i must ask the guy if the code is gpl'd
21:11 rhcl        I really like this idea...
21:10 chris       will create you a marc record, from an amazon record
21:10 chris       http://amazon.libcat.org/cgi-bin/azorder.pl
21:09 chris       is
21:09 chris       the other cool idea
21:09 chris       very cool idea
21:07 chris       took about 10 mins, to download the file load it in
21:05 chris       etc
21:05 chris       http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=42376
21:03 chris       heres one i prepared earlier
21:03 chris       http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=42375
21:02 nengard     my current install is full of junk data
21:01 nengard     i'm gonna then use my fresh install to catalog my home library
21:01 nengard     i want to get a fresh install of koha before i play with it
21:01 nengard     awesome
20:59 chris       You can just import them straight in
20:59 rhcl        OK, lemme see if I can stir the pot here...
20:59 chris       There are no items with those
20:58 nengard     except i guess that she has to use marcedit to edit the item records (if you have item records)
20:57 nengard     and if your tech services person does imports of records then she'll have no prob with this
20:57 nengard     hey that's my site :)
20:57 chris       We can and I have
20:54 rhcl        http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4465?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+web2learning/YOVk+%28What+I+Learned+Today...%29
20:54 rhcl        <speaking as a non-librarian> Can we do this in Koha? Will my Tech Services manager know what to do?
20:53 chris       Yeah
20:51 * owen      figures he'll stay up late again when his kids get old enough to be allowed to
20:51 cait        I am invited to a friends - they will make me stay up
20:50 chris       Haven't stayed up in years
20:50 chris       Ill be asleep by 11
20:49 nengard     bengard says i can't :(
20:49 * nengard   doesn't want to even stay up for new years - want to go to bed nice and early
20:48 cait        but I gave up before breakfast - no luck
20:48 cait        :)
20:48 cait        tichu is a card game
20:48 cait        first I was not able to stop reading and yesterday I played par tof the night shift of our 24h tichu tournament
20:47 cait        not really
20:45 chris       owen: yeah a bug for synchronising those would be good
20:45 chris       Cait parties hard
20:44 owen        Another example of how scanning operations differ from the bulk operations you can perform from the list of checkouts.
20:44 nengard     ick
20:44 cait        feeling... strange
20:44 cait        nengard: I can understand that - stayed up until 6am 2 days in a row now
20:44 nengard     yup
20:44 owen        If 'allowreneallimitoverride' is set, it ought to ask you to confirm that you want to override the limit
20:44 nengard     that i did have happen to me ... and i agree
20:43 owen        I think the bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way
20:43 nengard     my brain is so tired
20:43 nengard     thank you :)
20:43 chris       Lol
20:43 nengard     don't know why i thought it was in a different place
20:43 nengard     cait - oh my goodness ... yes it is :)
20:42 cait        nengard: the override checkbox is not showing up?
20:41 nengard     don't want to report the bug if no one else can recreate - i found it on two installs of HEAD though
20:41 nengard     but i can't renew
20:41 nengard     i have an item that is not renewable and that pref set to 'allow'
20:40 nengard     can anyone else confirm for me that 'allowreneallimitoverride' is being ignored in head?
20:40 chris       :)
20:39 owen        I should start calling oatmeal American porridge to my kids
20:38 chris       Doesn't everyone ? :)
20:36 nengard     hey chris - bengard thought it was cute that Kahu calls oatmeal porridge (spell)
20:36 cait        wall = fall
20:36 cait        bad luck this year
20:36 cait        we don't get something when they wall on the weekend
20:36 chris       So I took 3 days off and had from the 24th to the 5th as holiday
20:35 cait        24th and 31th because because I work for the state, 25th, 26th and 1st are holidays
20:35 chris       27,  28, and 3 4
20:35 chris       But because they fall on the weekend we get
20:35 chris       we get xmas, and boxing day, then 1st and 2nd
20:34 cait        6th is a holiday here - so back at work on friday
20:34 nengard     or work for a school
20:34 nengard     unless you have vaca time
20:34 owen        In the US we're lucky if we get an extra day off because Christmas was on a Saturday.
20:34 nengard     no holiday in the US
20:31 chris       Heh one more day than me :)
20:31 cait        chris: 6th :)
20:29 owen        Thanks chris, I'd appreciate it
20:29 chris       Hmm I can try to look at that owen
20:27 chris       cait: still on holiday until the 5th
20:25 * owen      was hoping someone smarter than him would find bug 5529 a simple one
20:23 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none
20:23 owen        Actually my fix for 3523 is pretty close, but it has the same problem as Bug 5529 and I don't know how to fix it
20:21 owen        Yeah, sometimes finding the right bug is a pain even though you know it's there
20:20 nengard     and i searched by 'lists' but you get a ton of bugs
20:20 nengard     i knew you were! I just couldn't find the darn thing
20:20 owen        I knew right away it was a dupe because I'm working on a fix for it
20:20 owen        Tricky.
20:20 owen        Apparently not: OPAC instead.
20:19 nengard     is it not categories in virtual shelves?
20:19 nengard     owen thanks for marking that a dup - i searched forever and couldn't find that darn bug
20:16 cait        hope you had great christmas holidays :)
20:16 cait        hi chris
20:15 chris       Hi cait
20:15 cait        hi magnus
20:15 magnus_a    hiya cait
20:14 cait        hi #koha
19:53 * gmcharlt  shrugs
19:53 gmcharlt    odd - doesn't do that to me
19:51 nengard     with the images I see the page with the history
19:50 nengard     for the PDfs that is
19:50 nengard     very bad
19:50 nengard     no it downloads the file automatically
19:48 gmcharlt    when you select one of those files from Special:NewFiles, are you seeing the file history link?
19:48 nengard     thanks gmcharlt
19:48 gmcharlt    nengard: deleting them now
19:46 chris       I think we need gmcharlt for that
19:46 nengard     anyone know how to delete files from the wiki? I blocked two spammers, but their PDFs are still there: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles
19:39 chris       Brooke was getting there with the mission statement
19:35 chris       I reckon take the ideas write something that works for us
19:31 nengard     yes
19:31 nengard     chris that comment was to you - just catching up
19:31 nengard     ubuntu is creative commons license
19:20 owen        gmcharlt: I poked around but couldn't find reference to any particular ILS
19:19 gmcharlt    owen: any ILS, or just Evergreen?
19:16 chris       oh thats a useful thing
19:15 owen        Interesting business model
19:15 owen        And partner with someone else for actual migrations
19:15 owen        Apparently they do upgrading and enhancing of your existing catalog in preparation for a migration
19:14 chris       that would be pretty cool
19:14 chris       they are offering to do migration?
19:13 chris       oh yeah?
19:13 owen        Interesting because it says, "Maybe you're considering an open-source solution"
19:12 * owen      's library just got a flier from http://www.bslw.com
19:10 druthb      CC A-SA, for Ubuntu
19:10 chris       open publication license for the debian one afaict
19:10 * chris     goes to look
19:09 chris       whats the license on them i wonder
19:09 chris       doing a koha code of conduct/social contract seems like a nice idea
19:08 * owen      thinks that's a good thing for nengard to be doing!
19:08 nengard     owen - i'll have to retest later - testing sekjal's new devs right now
19:08 nengard     :)
19:08 chris       yes the code of conduct is nice too
19:08 nengard     cause none of my bugs are really bugs
19:07 nengard     of course it is ....
19:07 owen        nengard: In my test 530u is linked in the OPAC MARC view
19:07 larsw       the Ubuntu CoC is nice, too
19:07 nengard     i know one of those :)
19:07 Brooke      that sounds like a job for a bullshitter!
19:07 nengard     combine the two :)
19:06 nengard     http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
19:06 larsw       chris, I like it too! :)
19:06 chris       http://www.debian.org/social_contract
19:06 chris       i like the debian social contract
19:04 nengard     we need to use that
19:04 nengard     hey - i'm reading 'the art of community' and it talks about that ubuntu rules of community
19:03 Brooke      in Wellies.
19:03 Brooke      we went to that little health shoppe with the ridiculously good yoghurt.
19:02 nengard     :)
19:02 nengard     west chester
19:02 nengard     what about nicole ...
18:42 Brooke      the community would have looked much better for our koha were I to have the teeny weeny beads now in my possession.
18:41 Brooke      Cuba street also has a bead shop that I just about knocked over.
18:41 Brooke      I went there with Nicole.
18:41 Brooke      Taunt me not.
18:40 chris       theres a good shop in cuba street that does real fruit ice cream
18:37 Brooke      man after me scarred nearly non extant heart.
18:37 chris       darling would say (if he was here) its never too cold for ice cream
18:36 chris       :)
18:35 Brooke      and yet...
18:35 Brooke      it's too cold for Ice Cream here
18:34 chris       its too hot for porridge today anyway ... he's a weirdo
18:34 Brooke      but it totally defeats the purpose of oats in the first place.
18:34 Brooke      the little mister mixes up a wicked steel cut oatmeal
18:34 chris       :)
18:34 chris       with brown sugar on top admittedly, but only half a teaspoon ... not 598237349 spoons full
18:33 chris       he eats plain rolled oats normally
18:33 Brooke      (and honestly, why would you?)
18:33 Brooke      I reckon he won't eat the plain.
18:33 Brooke      a yep
18:33 chris       apple and cinnamon
18:33 Brooke      ohnoes, that would lead me to believe it's a flavoured variety pack...
18:32 * Brooke    adds "quaker oats" to "Jif" and "catsup"
18:32 chris       well he can only have one or 2 of those a year, or all his teeth will fall out :-)
18:30 Brooke      well, as the current RM, clearly you're aware of who is in charge of Yank Food Relief.
18:29 chris       luckily we had some quaker oatmeal stashed away, and 2 mins in the microwave and he is happy
18:28 chris       kahu: merican porridge
18:28 chris       me: what do you want for breakfast
18:18 * magnus    shakes his head at norwegian proprietary ils Mikromarc which seems to have put exactly the same info into 000 and 008...
18:18 chris       just take your phone in the stacks
18:17 chris       now thats where our android client wins
18:14 Michael     thx 4 the tip
18:13 Michael     but w/e
18:13 Michael     of course, it means i need to push a laptop through the stacks with me
18:13 Michael     i do like the checklist method, though, as it circumvents barcode scanning altogether.
18:12 Michael     maybe i'll give that a try
18:12 Michael     hm, okay.
18:12 chris       and yep
18:12 chris       i know for a fact that takes a file with one barcode per line
18:12 Michael     you mean plug the same barcode list into bulk item edit and "see" them all that way?
18:12 chris       /cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl
18:11 chris       what you could do is use bulk item edit
18:10 Michael     Anyway, I chose to go another route with my inventory-ing...create a list of items within a range of call nos and then "see" them one by one, by putting checkmarks on the list.
18:10 chris       good question
18:09 Michael     If it "can't find" then how'd it get those call nos?
18:09 magnus      chris: i have hardly heard of Verdals�ra, but if you give me the name... ;-)
18:08 Michael     It spit my list back at me (good), with barcodes AND call numbers, but then in the Problems column, all but the first one said "can't find in Koha"
18:07 Michael     (yes, I had one barcode per line)  The results were odd...
18:07 chris       one barcode per line Michael
18:07 Michael     The reason I ask is that I put 10 or 20 barcodes into an excel file, saved it as txt (tab delimited) and plugged it into the Inventory engine.
18:06 chris       magnus: in Verdalsøra
18:06 Michael     Inventory...in what format should my barcode file be? text (tab delimited)?
18:05 chris       magnus: did i ever ask you if you know my ex girlfriend she lives in norway now :-)
18:05 Brooke      fire away
18:05 Brooke      awesome
18:05 Michael     Warning: I'm about to toss a random question out there.
18:04 Michael     :)
18:04 magnus      4,676,305 in norway - let me assure you we don't all know each other... ;-)
18:03 * Brooke    waves to Michael
18:02 Brooke      4.38 million according to Tatauranga Aotearoa
18:01 Brooke      according to the CIA World Factbook.
18:01 Brooke      4,252,277
17:58 munin       chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
17:58 chris       @wunder wellington nz
17:57 chris       had a couple of stormy days early in the week, but a nice high has settled in now
17:56 larsw       chris, thank you, and merry christmas and a happy new year to you, too, you lucky summer-dweller :)
17:56 chris       merry christmas larsw and a happy new year :)
17:55 druthb      ...something like 4 million folks in NZ, right?  About the size of the Washington DC metro area, IIRC.
17:55 chris       heh
17:55 chris       well, its actually pretty close to being true :-)
17:55 larsw       his name does not ring a bell for me, but my memory space for names is limited to about three
17:54 larsw       chris, just like everyone in NZ knows everyone else? :)
17:54 * chris     just assumes everyone in finland knows everyone else :)
17:54 chris       i wonder if petuomin knows larsw
17:49 Brooke      bye
17:48 chris       see you later
17:47 tcohen      bye all, got to levae!
17:44 tcohen      i think as a local team we can have a small (but bigger) chance
17:44 chris       asado++
17:43 Brooke      kohacon_in_argentina++
17:43 * Brooke    is all for an Argentine KohaCon
17:43 Brooke      oooooh
17:42 tcohen      hahaha
17:41 chris       and then kohacon in india when nz is playing india in cricket :)
17:40 chris       if we time it right, we could do it when nz is playing argentina in rugby :)
17:40 tcohen      :-D that sounds awesome
17:39 magnus      kohacon_in_argentina++
17:37 chris       also, we must help you with Koha, otherwise how else can we have a kohacon in argentina some time in the future :)
17:36 chris       i appreciate your emails helping people on the mailing list
17:36 chris       no problem
17:35 tcohen      thanks, really
17:35 tcohen      chris, i apreciate your help a lot
17:34 chris       sure does
17:33 magnus      yeah, that script from paul_p sounds like it will be really cool
17:33 chris       yeah
17:33 tcohen      if we could dump records on individual files
17:32 tcohen      i was going to ask
17:32 tcohen      that sounds good
17:32 chris       so that one bad record doesnt stop the indexing
17:32 chris       that allows rebuild_zebra to deal with this better
17:32 chris       paul has a script he is going to send
17:32 tcohen      thanks!
17:32 chris       also
17:32 chris       cool
17:32 tcohen      and then make some tests on this
17:32 tcohen      ok, i'll calm my worried loved librarians here
17:31 chris       you just cant do -x with -a
17:31 chris       thats what ive noticed
17:31 tcohen      no f* way, really?
17:31 chris       tcohen: its actually faster
17:31 tcohen      (that's not a problem for me)
17:31 chris       im 99.9% sure its because we have a record that is too long
17:31 tcohen      it will impact performance in some way, right?
17:30 tcohen      ack
17:30 chris       if that works
17:30 chris       ie tell it to use the xml
17:30 chris       rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x
17:30 tcohen      as it has several notes
17:30 tcohen      it is long
17:30 chris       one thing to try too is
17:30 chris       does it have a ton of items ?
17:29 chris       i get that when a record is too long
17:29 tcohen      [log] error grs.marcxml.record /tmp/ZGulZTbzZ7/biblio/exported_records 70118483
17:29 chris       yes
17:29 tcohen      [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
17:29 tcohen      [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest
17:29 chris       right, its possible that the length of the marc is too long
17:28 tcohen      and the line number in exported_records
17:28 tcohen      during rebuild_zebra
17:28 tcohen      something like invalid record
17:28 chris       (in koha that is, not marclint)
17:28 tcohen      i've just cleared the konsole buffer but..
17:28 chris       tcohen: what is the error that you are getting?
17:26 Brooke      would be good.
17:25 tcohen      perhaps we can then add a wiki page fr this
17:25 tcohen      and learn a bit about debugging this kind of problems
17:25 * nengard   hides
17:25 tcohen      i'm just trying to figure out what went wrong with this database
17:25 tcohen      we all hope that :-D
17:25 Brooke      Cavalry's here.
17:25 jcamins_a   If not, that would definitely make it invalid MARC.
17:25 * Brooke    points at nengard
17:25 jcamins_a   I would hope so.
17:25 jcamins_a   tcohen: That I don't know.
17:24 tcohen      does addbiblio.pl trigger the proper leader update?
17:24 jcamins_a   I disagree that it's not valid MARC, though. Most ILSes use non-standard tags for something.
17:24 jcamins_a   tcohen: yes, you would have to change the length if you removed subfield 9s.
17:24 Brooke      <.<
17:24 Brooke      >.>
17:23 * Brooke    sees nuffin wrong with Koha MARC falling off the back of a van if it happens to work.
17:23 tcohen      and leader info on the lenght of the record?
17:23 tcohen      that means marc stored in biblioitems is not *really* valid marc
17:23 chris       yep, so yeah marclint wont like it, but thats not to be worried about :)
17:23 * jcamins_a will be eating lunch soon, so really he's still not here.
17:23 jcamins_a   Exactly.
17:22 tcohen      at least that's what I thought
17:22 tcohen      yes, subfield 9 is koha specific, and it's the responsible of linking o auth
17:22 magnus      and in my demo running current HEAD the field is greyed out and has a little padlock in it...
17:22 * Brooke    steals Mr. Camins' a.
17:21 jcamins_a   tcohen: sorry, I got confused between who was saying what. Anyway, don't worry about it.
17:21 magnus      in koha the fields are called "9 (RLIN)"
17:21 jcamins_a   tcohen: ^^
17:21 magnus      marc21 does not have subfield 9 in 650 and 651, it seems http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd650.html
17:20 jcamins_a   It's Koha-specific.
17:20 francharb   bye all
17:20 jcamins_a   Brooke: subfield 9 isn't valid.
17:20 Brooke      cause subject fields are kinda important.
17:20 Brooke      what sort of complaint is it?
17:19 Brooke      dern Nicole's not on.
17:18 chris       they'd probably tell you that you have caused armageddon :)
17:17 chris       you'd have to ask a cataloguer
17:17 tcohen      y suppose that's not a problem
17:17 tcohen      marclint complains about sunfield 9 for 650 and 651
17:16 chris       hmm it should be ok to check it against
17:16 tcohen      or it needs to be prepared first?
17:16 tcohen      hi chris, is it ok to check a marc field dump (from biblioitems) against marclint?
17:10 chris       yeah ive found them good to deal with
16:58 * Brooke    highfives magnus.
16:58 Brooke      :D
16:58 magnus      ata marie, chris
16:57 chris       owen: hlt do
16:50 * Brooke    chuckles.
16:47 magnus      Brooke: you're welcome!
16:46 Brooke      I should move to Norway if they're so keen on redundancy...
16:46 Brooke      ooooh
16:45 magnus      norwegian saying: a good thing can not be said too many times ;-)
16:44 owen        Thanks magnus, I think I have been told that before :)
16:43 magnus      owen: search for koha here: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/LTFL:Libraries_using_LibraryThing_for_Libraries
16:42 owen        Anyone know of a Koha library using LibraryThing in their OPAC?
16:37 nengard     maybe ... brb ... got a screencast to record
16:36 magnus      nengard: ;-) not sure what makes the bullets strange, though - could be the conversion to epub
16:33 nengard     magnus I'm finding that while docbook is handy, it can be a bit screwy at times ... wizzyrea can attest to this as well
16:32 * Brooke    smiles at magnus.
16:32 * magnus    waves at Brooke
16:29 owen        Thanks
16:28 nengard     owen bug updated
16:27 * Brooke    moseys on into #koha.
16:25 magnus      nengard: the mobi is readable but bullet-points don't look too good, the bullet is above the associated text. details of what i did is in the README - it might be possible to tweak the process for prettier results
16:23 magnus      nengard: i think the patch i sent was extra large because an image was included
16:22 nengard     hang on  -on a call
16:22 owen        nengard: where do you see the 530 link in the staff client display?
16:22 ibot        owen is, like, a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance
16:22 nengard     yes owen?
16:22 nengard     looks like all patch emails might get blocked cause of size ... but i'll always approve them
16:22 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5537 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, 530 not linking in OPAC
16:22 owen        nengard: I have a question about Bug 5537
16:21 nengard     not the hiccup, but the ebooks :)
16:21 nengard     awesome!!!!!
16:21 magnus      btw, i found that little hickup trying to do this: http://div.libriotech.no/kohaebook/
16:18 magnus      nengard: first time i sent i got The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list
16:18 magnus      nengard: i got an email saying The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 41275 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
16:13 nengard     think i figured it out - i'm admin but not subscribed :)
16:11 magnus      cool
16:10 nengard     great - will look for it
16:10 magnus      nengard: done
16:07 nengard     magnus, I got your docs email in moderation and I thought I approved it to go through - but I don't see it anywhere - can you send it again?
16:06 magnus      could be worse then, fingers crossed
15:59 nengard     not bad, dad seems to think it's not a leak per se, but something about the ice melting and not having a place to go - so maybe only internal damage - got to get a contractor in to look
15:59 magnus      hiya nengard - how's the roof?
14:55 jwagner     Hi ebegin
14:52 ebegin      hello #koha!
14:44 paul_p      'morning owen & gmcharlt
14:44 * paul_p    just ended upgrading Aix-Marseille server to Squeeze ! everything seems OK ... /me continues to fix some AixMarseille glitches...
14:41 owen        Thanks gmcharlt
14:25 gmcharlt    that indicates the two trees to travel down look for specific commits to cherry-pick
14:25 gmcharlt    owen: in the gitweb page, note the (merge: 9c54d01 5ce9eb6) bit
14:18 cait        bye all
14:18 cait        time for ikea :)
14:09 * owen      was trying to have a look at this: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-ptfs.git;a=commitdiff;h=f84dc0acc5ead6f3428473be296a97974a3e040c
14:02 gmcharlt    if you're just cherry-picking a particular commit or set of commits, you may just need to scroll down a bit more in git log to identify the "real" commit to cherry-pick
14:02 gmcharlt    owen: pretty much what it says - it means that you've selected a merge commit (which is merging in one or more "real" commits), and it wants to know what side of the merge to bring in
13:59 owen        fatal: Commit XXXX is a merge but no -m option was given.
13:59 owen        What does it mean when I try to git cherry-pick something and I get this error:
13:48 cait        hi france ;)
13:48 paul_p      hello germany/cait
13:45 cait        hi all :)
13:37 Nate        :)
13:36 druthb      hi, paul_p!   welcome back, Nate.
13:35 jwagner     Bonjour paul_p
13:35 paul_p      'morning morning ppl !
13:35 paul_p      druthb, lol :D
13:29 druthb      a drive-by Nate-ing.
13:22 Nate        Morning druthb, owen, adn everyone else!
13:21 druthb      hi, owen and Nate! :)
13:21 owen        Hi #koha
10:07 magnus      i have tested the .mobi on a kindle and it looks ok - biggest problem is bulleted points, where the bullet is displayed above the related text
09:54 magnus      fredericd: first attempt http://div.libriotech.no/kohaebook/
09:02 paul_p      was the golf nice ?
09:02 magnus      g'night chris
09:02 paul_p      sweet dreams chris
09:02 * chris     heads to sleep, night all
09:01 paul_p      will ask sysop@ for how to buy a certificate
09:01 paul_p      it's just because it's a self-signed certificate.
09:00 paul_p      yes, i'm watching.
08:59 chris       ah yeah i got that too, if paul_p is watching he might get someone to fix it :-)
08:59 magnus      btw: the https pages on https://lists.koha-community.org/ give me an ugly warning about the certificate or somesuch
08:57 magnus      ah, yes that makes sense
08:56 chris       not really a component, but its own thing
08:56 chris       but the manual is something quite different
08:56 chris       yep, i think there are different types of documentation, the help files as part of koha as one
08:55 magnus      "documentation" is listed as a component in bugzilla
08:54 magnus      sounds like a good idea
08:54 chris       if we were to do bugs, itd be nice to set up another product koha-docs or something to keep them separate
08:51 magnus      ok, i'll submit a patch without a bug and then (maybe) suffer her wrath...
08:50 chris       id say no for the bugs, but that would be up to nicole
08:50 chris       https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-docs
08:50 magnus      yup, i found that
08:49 chris       theres a different mailing list for patches to the docs
08:48 magnus      should patches to the manual have a corresponding bug, just like patches to the code?
08:33 francharb   :)
08:24 magnus      bon bout d'an paul_p
08:23 fredericd   itou Paul, comme on dit j'sais pas o�
08:23 paul_p      (we say that just between christmas & new year. Short duration => we say it all the day :D )
08:22 paul_p      "bon bout d'an" fredericd comme on dit à Marseille
08:22 francharb   :)
08:22 paul_p      hello world !
08:21 fredericd   hello francharb
08:21 magnus      hi francharb
08:21 magnus      fredericd: yeah, only one way to find that out... ;-)
08:21 francharb   hello
08:20 fredericd   There is just an issue with images. There are a lot of screenshots. I'm not very confident it will render properly on an Kindle
08:20 magnus      and kindlegen is of course only needed to get it on the kindle...
08:19 magnus      it doesn't look like it should be too difficult, using dbtoepub and kindlegen (from amazon)
08:17 fredericd   I may do it...
08:17 fredericd   magnus: I'd like also to have Koha manual on my ebook reader...
08:14 chris       hi fredericd
08:14 magnus      merry christmas, fredericd
08:13 fredericd   hi all and merry christmas
08:13 magnus      all of the time would be creepy/scary, i think? ;-)
08:12 chris       most of the time :)
08:12 magnus      cute kids!
08:07 magnus      hehe
08:06 chris       http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/12/29/red-wagon/
08:06 hudsonbot   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5526: Follow up patch removing a warn statement
08:06 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5526, List of lists should be in alphabetical order by list name
08:06 hudsonbot   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5542: Availability code commented out - Uncommenting
08:05 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5540, editing slip news changes to librarian interface
08:05 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #256: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/256/
08:05 magnus      hm, that sounds cool
08:04 chris       it could follow the kohadocs repository and rebuild the pdf/epub/odt/whatever whenever it notices changes
08:04 chris       you could even use hudson to do it
08:04 chris       :)
08:03 magnus      but it isn't really what i was supposed to think about today... ;-)
08:03 magnus      yeah, i was thinking about something like that
08:02 chris       youd want to script it, so it rebuilds every so often
08:02 chris       because its all in docbook, you can convert it to anything you want, those included
08:00 * magnus    wonders if having the documentation for koha in ebook formats like epub and mobi would be useful...
07:45 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5526: Follow up patch removing a warn statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5b55d1c40a967ed3676f9e85a6ec002074d13e7> / Fix for Bug 5526, List of lists should be in alphabetical order by list name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdbf872bd5dcc99b6e93ab920a0ef17a7592c8c9> / Bug 5542: Availability code commented out - Uncommenting <http://git.koha-communi
07:43 hudsonbot   Starting build 256 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
07:36 glernil     ok thanks
07:36 chris       jump down to about line 368
07:35 chris       right, so in the INSTALL.ubuntu file
07:35 hudsonbot   Project Koha_3.2.x build #68: UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/68/
07:34 glernil     from source
07:33 glernil     i installed it in ubuntu 10.10 server
07:32 glernil     i already have the tarball of 3.2.2
07:32 chris       and how did you install it, from source or from the debian packages?
07:31 glernil     yes
07:30 chris       its 3.2.0 right?
07:30 glernil     i just want to ask how can i upgrade my koha installation 3.2 to 3.2.2?
07:29 glernil     hello chris
07:29 chris       hi glernil
07:28 magnus      kia ora chris & #koha
07:27 chris       hi magnus
07:20 chris       phew
07:18 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #255: FIXED in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/255/
07:18 hudsonbot   Yippie, build fixed!
07:17 ivanc       hi chris
07:17 chris       hi ivanc
07:13 ivanc       hi #koha
07:10 hudsonbot   Starting build 68 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago)
06:55 hudsonbot   Starting build 255 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #244 7 days 4 hr ago)
06:54 hudsonbot   chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
06:54 chris       !hudson build koha_master now
06:29 hudsonbot   Owen Leonard: Fix for bug 5451, can add tags with userlogin turned off
06:29 hudsonbot   Project Koha_Master build #254: FAILURE in 1 min 30 sec: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/254/
06:28 hudsonbot   Starting build 254 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
06:27 chris       well thats something, not quite what i wanted, but something
06:23 hudsonbot   * Amit Gupta: Bug 5489: Send hold email to branch email address if it exists instead of koha email address
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page
06:23 hudsonbot   * Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch
06:23 hudsonbot   * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5470 - improvements to results display in the staff client
06:23 hudsonbot   * Robin Sheat: bug4891 - sort facets in search sidebar (OPAC and staff client)
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3987 - New Sys Prefs Branch - Alphabetize prefs in sections
06:23 hudsonbot   * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 5510: prepend output with system name
06:23 hudsonbot   * Serhij Dubyk {?????? ?????}: Deleted old sample budget sql-data for Ukrainian and Russian
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4997, More searches menu not on OPAC MARC and ISBD detail pages
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4946 - hold warning needs rewording
06:23 hudsonbot   * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3859, Attach item clarification
06:23 hudsonbot   * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 5294 - Unescape vendor name when pushing back
06:23 hudsonbot   * Galen Charlton: bug 5398: make additional pages in staff interface obey noItemTypeImages
06:23 hudsonbot   * Nicole Engard: bug 4826 change 'add basket' to 'new basket'
06:23 hudsonbot   Project Koha_3.2.x build #67: FAILURE in 1 min 44 sec: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/67/
06:22 hudsonbot   Starting build 67 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago)
06:16 chris       :)
06:15 robin       OK, I can't force myself to do work any more. I think I have to leave. It's too nice, and too much straight-after-holiday to sit here any longer :)
06:09 hudsonbot   Starting build 253 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
05:57 hudsonbot   Starting build 66 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago)
05:57 hudsonbot   Starting build 252 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
05:56 chris       ta
05:53 robin       basically, java -Xmx512M or something like that (relative to what it is currently. I forget what the default is)
05:52 robin       but, it'll also run the GC more which may help.
05:52 chris       right
05:52 robin       it's less likely to take out other things, but more likely to take itself out with OOMError
05:52 chris       Dec 29 05:53:31 li105-217 hudson: hudson: fatal: client (pid 29891) killed by signal 9, exiting
05:52 robin       in that case, lower the memory given to the JVM
05:51 robin       hmm.
05:51 chris       yeah, bring up apache, pop goes hudson
05:50 chris       ah good idea
05:50 robin       e.g. apache
05:50 robin       I'd recommend installing restartd for the critical things
05:49 robin       in that, it's not really an algorithm that can be got right
05:49 * chris     brings it back up
05:49 robin       yeah, the OOM killer is intentionally iffy.
05:49 chris       ah yep, bugs. is down
05:49 robin       ah.
05:49 chris       but i think the last time it took down apache too
05:48 * robin     has a bit too much experience tuning java for it to be healthy
05:48 chris       the former
05:48 robin       (i.e. is the process in the JVM running out, or is the system running out?)
05:48 chris       it only started happening with a recent upgrade, so im hoping it will get fixed
05:48 robin       Is it thrashing badly, or is it OutOfMemoryError'ing?
05:47 chris       id have to shell out for the next level up of linode
05:47 chris       can't, its got all the box has
05:47 robin       chris: give the JVM process more memory
05:46 chris       hudson keeps ooming itself
05:46 hudsonbot   Starting build 251 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
05:46 chris       stupid memory hungry java
05:46 hudsonbot   chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
05:46 chris       !hudson build koha_master now
05:39 hudsonbot   Starting build 250 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
05:39 hudsonbot   chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
05:39 chris       !hudson build koha_master now
05:22 chris       and hi amit
05:22 chris       ohhhh awesome!
05:15 * robin     wasn't given the whole head of santa :(
05:13 robin       (by significant, I mean "more than you can comfortably eat in one sitting", not like a whole head or something)
05:12 robin       http://santacametotown.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/santa-came-to-town/ <-- chris: there will a significant amount of this in your desk when you return, just so you know where the surprise chocolate came from :)
05:11 hdl         hi Amit
05:10 Amit        hi hdl
05:10 Amit        hi chris
05:10 hdl         hi chris
05:09 chris       Hi hdl
03:39 Oak         \o
03:28 chris       Ta
03:28 robin       OK, zapped the content, anyway
03:27 chris       Maybe just delete the content, might have to get a few more admin logins from gmcharlt
03:27 chris       Not sure for mediawiki
03:27 chris       Hmm good question
03:26 robin       how do I delete a page?
03:26 chris       Thanks robin
03:26 chris       If someone clicks thru on it they'll do it more
03:26 robin       OK
03:25 chris       Can you login to the wiki and kill the payday spam
03:25 chris       Someone got a sec and a real computer not a phone and a baby?
02:34 robin       jcamins: yep
02:23 jcamins     I guess if the upgrade script (blanking on the name right now) defaults to ShelfBrowserUsersLocation=yes, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode=no, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch=yes the behavior would be the same.
02:17 jcamins     :)
02:14 robin       ah
02:14 ibot        jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
02:14 robin       ibot: jcamins?
02:13 robin       jcamins: well, that's not a terrible solution.
02:13 robin       weird old bot
02:13 ibot        i haven't a clue, robin
02:13 robin       ibot: I?
02:13 robin       i?
02:13 ibot        okay, jcamins.
02:13 jcamins     I am also trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
02:11 jcamins     That was my hope. :)
02:10 robin       I wonder if I can think of a solution that solves them all at once.
02:10 jcamins     That's what I was leading up to. There needs to be an option to have the shelf browser pay attention to ccode.
02:10 robin       hmm
02:10 robin       ah, interesting
02:10 jcamins     Right.
02:09 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration
02:09 jcamins     Anyway, some libraries are also concerned about bug 4367, which is kind of the opposite of bug 5551.
02:09 robin       oh, homebranch and location, not location and ccode
02:09 robin       ah, right
02:09 jcamins     [off] when you have to give four weeks of notice, you have *lots* of time to empty your inboxes.
02:08 robin       I'm down to inbox 1,549 or so.
02:08 robin       heh
02:08 * jcamins   resents terribly when there are messages in his inbox, now that he has attained inbox zero.
02:08 robin       as a syspref that allows it to be toggled between current behaviour and location/ccode-ignorant.
02:08 * jcamins   subscribes to koha-bugs
02:08 jcamins     How are you thinking of implementing that?
02:07 robin       that was quick :)
02:07 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, The shelf browser should be able to ignore things like location
02:07 jcamins     Just saw bug 5551.
02:07 robin       jcamins: yarp
02:07 jcamins_a   robin: around?