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23:35 chris yup
23:35 robin and a good thing to get into while the office is like the Mary Celeste
23:34 chris thats a patch id accept
23:32 druthb robin++
23:32 robin I think it's time the shelf browser code got its own module so that we don't have SQL statements in the display generation code.
23:18 druthb g'night, cait! :)
23:18 cait good night all
22:22 darling hi druthb !
22:22 darling then I got distracted by something
22:22 druthb :) Hi, darling.
22:21 darling just had to get the coffee working
22:21 darling hi everybody
22:13 * druthb pulls out her slingshot and watches ibot suspiciously.
22:13 ibot ...but ibot is a clever being...
22:13 robin ibot: I think you are right.
22:04 ibot i think darling is a little nervous around bots.
22:04 chris heya darling
21:48 magnus_a g'night #koha
21:35 chris and i think he actually tried to justify that whitepaper by saying he was playing devils advocate, or words to that affect if he hadnt tried to rewrite history by deleting the posts about it from his blog, id go find it and tweet it
21:33 chris coming from the man who authored the whitepaper that equates open source with helping terrorists i find that utterly priceless
21:32 chris http://twitter.com/sabram/status/20216529954017280
21:32 chris the collosal irony of this
21:32 chris OMG
21:29 cait heh
21:29 * chris decides not to reply
21:29 chris https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1012&L=NGC4LIB&T=0&F=&S=&P=99306
21:28 * jcam_mib is going now, though.
21:28 chris but it does
21:28 chris hmm i know i shouldnt let this annoy me
21:28 jcam_mib No, jcamins demonstrating mibbit.
21:28 magnus_a jcam - man in black?
21:22 chris cool
21:22 drotsk should be home this evening however
21:22 chris ahhh
21:22 drotsk she's been out of town the last couple days, visiting friends from university
21:20 chris your lovely wife still off pedicuring herself?
21:20 magnus_a hi drotsk
21:20 drotsk and hi #koha
21:19 drotsk hi chris
21:19 chris drotsk my man
21:16 chris we'll see what he says
21:15 chris done
21:13 nengard talk to you all later
21:13 nengard k - time to log out and lay down a bit
21:12 chris ill email the guy and ask
21:11 nengard and yes add to koha!!!
21:11 nengard chris that is cool - we just need to be able to do it in batches
21:11 chris if so we could add it to koha
21:11 chris i must ask the guy if the code is gpl'd
21:11 rhcl I really like this idea...
21:10 chris will create you a marc record, from an amazon record
21:10 chris http://amazon.libcat.org/cgi-bin/azorder.pl
21:09 chris is
21:09 chris the other cool idea
21:09 chris very cool idea
21:07 chris took about 10 mins, to download the file load it in
21:05 chris etc
21:05 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=42376
21:03 chris heres one i prepared earlier
21:03 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=42375
21:02 nengard my current install is full of junk data
21:01 nengard i'm gonna then use my fresh install to catalog my home library
21:01 nengard i want to get a fresh install of koha before i play with it
21:01 nengard awesome
20:59 chris You can just import them straight in
20:59 rhcl OK, lemme see if I can stir the pot here...
20:59 chris There are no items with those
20:58 nengard except i guess that she has to use marcedit to edit the item records (if you have item records)
20:57 nengard and if your tech services person does imports of records then she'll have no prob with this
20:57 nengard hey that's my site :)
20:57 chris We can and I have
20:54 rhcl http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4465?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+web2learning/YOVk+%28What+I+Learned+Today...%29
20:54 rhcl <speaking as a non-librarian> Can we do this in Koha? Will my Tech Services manager know what to do?
20:53 chris Yeah
20:51 * owen figures he'll stay up late again when his kids get old enough to be allowed to
20:51 cait I am invited to a friends - they will make me stay up
20:50 chris Haven't stayed up in years
20:50 chris Ill be asleep by 11
20:49 nengard bengard says i can't :(
20:49 * nengard doesn't want to even stay up for new years - want to go to bed nice and early
20:48 cait but I gave up before breakfast - no luck
20:48 cait :)
20:48 cait tichu is a card game
20:48 cait first I was not able to stop reading and yesterday I played par tof the night shift of our 24h tichu tournament
20:47 cait not really
20:45 chris owen: yeah a bug for synchronising those would be good
20:45 chris Cait parties hard
20:44 owen Another example of how scanning operations differ from the bulk operations you can perform from the list of checkouts.
20:44 nengard ick
20:44 cait feeling... strange
20:44 cait nengard: I can understand that - stayed up until 6am 2 days in a row now
20:44 nengard yup
20:44 owen If 'allowreneallimitoverride' is set, it ought to ask you to confirm that you want to override the limit
20:44 nengard that i did have happen to me ... and i agree
20:43 owen I think the bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way
20:43 nengard my brain is so tired
20:43 nengard thank you :)
20:43 chris Lol
20:43 nengard don't know why i thought it was in a different place
20:43 nengard cait - oh my goodness ... yes it is :)
20:42 cait nengard: the override checkbox is not showing up?
20:41 nengard don't want to report the bug if no one else can recreate - i found it on two installs of HEAD though
20:41 nengard but i can't renew
20:41 nengard i have an item that is not renewable and that pref set to 'allow'
20:40 nengard can anyone else confirm for me that 'allowreneallimitoverride' is being ignored in head?
20:40 chris :)
20:39 owen I should start calling oatmeal American porridge to my kids
20:38 chris Doesn't everyone ? :)
20:36 nengard hey chris - bengard thought it was cute that Kahu calls oatmeal porridge (spell)
20:36 cait wall = fall
20:36 cait bad luck this year
20:36 cait we don't get something when they wall on the weekend
20:36 chris So I took 3 days off and had from the 24th to the 5th as holiday
20:35 cait 24th and 31th because because I work for the state, 25th, 26th and 1st are holidays
20:35 chris 27, 28, and 3 4
20:35 chris But because they fall on the weekend we get
20:35 chris we get xmas, and boxing day, then 1st and 2nd
20:34 cait 6th is a holiday here - so back at work on friday
20:34 nengard or work for a school
20:34 nengard unless you have vaca time
20:34 owen In the US we're lucky if we get an extra day off because Christmas was on a Saturday.
20:34 nengard no holiday in the US
20:31 chris Heh one more day than me :)
20:31 cait chris: 6th :)
20:29 owen Thanks chris, I'd appreciate it
20:29 chris Hmm I can try to look at that owen
20:27 chris cait: still on holiday until the 5th
20:25 * owen was hoping someone smarter than him would find bug 5529 a simple one
20:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none
20:23 owen Actually my fix for 3523 is pretty close, but it has the same problem as Bug 5529 and I don't know how to fix it
20:21 owen Yeah, sometimes finding the right bug is a pain even though you know it's there
20:20 nengard and i searched by 'lists' but you get a ton of bugs
20:20 nengard i knew you were! I just couldn't find the darn thing
20:20 owen I knew right away it was a dupe because I'm working on a fix for it
20:20 owen Tricky.
20:20 owen Apparently not: OPAC instead.
20:19 nengard is it not categories in virtual shelves?
20:19 nengard owen thanks for marking that a dup - i searched forever and couldn't find that darn bug
20:16 cait hope you had great christmas holidays :)
20:16 cait hi chris
20:15 chris Hi cait
20:15 cait hi magnus
20:15 magnus_a hiya cait
20:14 cait hi #koha
19:53 * gmcharlt shrugs
19:53 gmcharlt odd - doesn't do that to me
19:51 nengard with the images I see the page with the history
19:50 nengard for the PDfs that is
19:50 nengard very bad
19:50 nengard no it downloads the file automatically
19:48 gmcharlt when you select one of those files from Special:NewFiles, are you seeing the file history link?
19:48 nengard thanks gmcharlt
19:48 gmcharlt nengard: deleting them now
19:46 chris I think we need gmcharlt for that
19:46 nengard anyone know how to delete files from the wiki? I blocked two spammers, but their PDFs are still there: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles
19:39 chris Brooke was getting there with the mission statement
19:35 chris I reckon take the ideas write something that works for us
19:31 nengard yes
19:31 nengard chris that comment was to you - just catching up
19:31 nengard ubuntu is creative commons license
19:20 owen gmcharlt: I poked around but couldn't find reference to any particular ILS
19:19 gmcharlt owen: any ILS, or just Evergreen?
19:16 chris oh thats a useful thing
19:15 owen Interesting business model
19:15 owen And partner with someone else for actual migrations
19:15 owen Apparently they do upgrading and enhancing of your existing catalog in preparation for a migration
19:14 chris that would be pretty cool
19:14 chris they are offering to do migration?
19:13 chris oh yeah?
19:13 owen Interesting because it says, "Maybe you're considering an open-source solution"
19:12 * owen 's library just got a flier from http://www.bslw.com
19:10 druthb CC A-SA, for Ubuntu
19:10 chris open publication license for the debian one afaict
19:10 * chris goes to look
19:09 chris whats the license on them i wonder
19:09 chris doing a koha code of conduct/social contract seems like a nice idea
19:08 * owen thinks that's a good thing for nengard to be doing!
19:08 nengard owen - i'll have to retest later - testing sekjal's new devs right now
19:08 nengard :)
19:08 chris yes the code of conduct is nice too
19:08 nengard cause none of my bugs are really bugs
19:07 nengard of course it is ....
19:07 owen nengard: In my test 530u is linked in the OPAC MARC view
19:07 larsw the Ubuntu CoC is nice, too
19:07 nengard i know one of those :)
19:07 Brooke that sounds like a job for a bullshitter!
19:07 nengard combine the two :)
19:06 nengard http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
19:06 larsw chris, I like it too! :)
19:06 chris http://www.debian.org/social_contract
19:06 chris i like the debian social contract
19:04 nengard we need to use that
19:04 nengard hey - i'm reading 'the art of community' and it talks about that ubuntu rules of community
19:03 Brooke in Wellies.
19:03 Brooke we went to that little health shoppe with the ridiculously good yoghurt.
19:02 nengard :)
19:02 nengard west chester
19:02 nengard what about nicole ...
18:42 Brooke the community would have looked much better for our koha were I to have the teeny weeny beads now in my possession.
18:41 Brooke Cuba street also has a bead shop that I just about knocked over.
18:41 Brooke I went there with Nicole.
18:41 Brooke Taunt me not.
18:40 chris theres a good shop in cuba street that does real fruit ice cream
18:37 Brooke man after me scarred nearly non extant heart.
18:37 chris darling would say (if he was here) its never too cold for ice cream
18:36 chris :)
18:35 Brooke and yet...
18:35 Brooke it's too cold for Ice Cream here
18:34 chris its too hot for porridge today anyway ... he's a weirdo
18:34 Brooke but it totally defeats the purpose of oats in the first place.
18:34 Brooke the little mister mixes up a wicked steel cut oatmeal
18:34 chris :)
18:34 chris with brown sugar on top admittedly, but only half a teaspoon ... not 598237349 spoons full
18:33 chris he eats plain rolled oats normally
18:33 Brooke (and honestly, why would you?)
18:33 Brooke I reckon he won't eat the plain.
18:33 Brooke a yep
18:33 chris apple and cinnamon
18:33 Brooke ohnoes, that would lead me to believe it's a flavoured variety pack...
18:32 * Brooke adds "quaker oats" to "Jif" and "catsup"
18:32 chris well he can only have one or 2 of those a year, or all his teeth will fall out :-)
18:30 Brooke well, as the current RM, clearly you're aware of who is in charge of Yank Food Relief.
18:29 chris luckily we had some quaker oatmeal stashed away, and 2 mins in the microwave and he is happy
18:28 chris kahu: merican porridge
18:28 chris me: what do you want for breakfast
18:18 * magnus shakes his head at norwegian proprietary ils Mikromarc which seems to have put exactly the same info into 000 and 008...
18:18 chris just take your phone in the stacks
18:17 chris now thats where our android client wins
18:14 Michael thx 4 the tip
18:13 Michael but w/e
18:13 Michael of course, it means i need to push a laptop through the stacks with me
18:13 Michael i do like the checklist method, though, as it circumvents barcode scanning altogether.
18:12 Michael maybe i'll give that a try
18:12 Michael hm, okay.
18:12 chris and yep
18:12 chris i know for a fact that takes a file with one barcode per line
18:12 Michael you mean plug the same barcode list into bulk item edit and "see" them all that way?
18:12 chris /cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl
18:11 chris what you could do is use bulk item edit
18:10 Michael Anyway, I chose to go another route with my inventory-ing...create a list of items within a range of call nos and then "see" them one by one, by putting checkmarks on the list.
18:10 chris good question
18:09 Michael If it "can't find" then how'd it get those call nos?
18:09 magnus chris: i have hardly heard of Verdals�ra, but if you give me the name... ;-)
18:08 Michael It spit my list back at me (good), with barcodes AND call numbers, but then in the Problems column, all but the first one said "can't find in Koha"
18:07 Michael (yes, I had one barcode per line) The results were odd...
18:07 chris one barcode per line Michael
18:07 Michael The reason I ask is that I put 10 or 20 barcodes into an excel file, saved it as txt (tab delimited) and plugged it into the Inventory engine.
18:06 chris magnus: in Verdalsøra
18:06 Michael Inventory...in what format should my barcode file be? text (tab delimited)?
18:05 chris magnus: did i ever ask you if you know my ex girlfriend she lives in norway now :-)
18:05 Brooke fire away
18:05 Brooke awesome
18:05 Michael Warning: I'm about to toss a random question out there.
18:04 Michael :)
18:04 magnus 4,676,305 in norway - let me assure you we don't all know each other... ;-)
18:03 * Brooke waves to Michael
18:02 Brooke 4.38 million according to Tatauranga Aotearoa
18:01 Brooke according to the CIA World Factbook.
18:01 Brooke 4,252,277
17:58 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
17:58 chris @wunder wellington nz
17:57 chris had a couple of stormy days early in the week, but a nice high has settled in now
17:56 larsw chris, thank you, and merry christmas and a happy new year to you, too, you lucky summer-dweller :)
17:56 chris merry christmas larsw and a happy new year :)
17:55 druthb ...something like 4 million folks in NZ, right? About the size of the Washington DC metro area, IIRC.
17:55 chris heh
17:55 chris well, its actually pretty close to being true :-)
17:55 larsw his name does not ring a bell for me, but my memory space for names is limited to about three
17:54 larsw chris, just like everyone in NZ knows everyone else? :)
17:54 * chris just assumes everyone in finland knows everyone else :)
17:54 chris i wonder if petuomin knows larsw
17:49 Brooke bye
17:48 chris see you later
17:47 tcohen bye all, got to levae!
17:44 tcohen i think as a local team we can have a small (but bigger) chance
17:44 chris asado++
17:43 Brooke kohacon_in_argentina++
17:43 * Brooke is all for an Argentine KohaCon
17:43 Brooke oooooh
17:42 tcohen hahaha
17:41 chris and then kohacon in india when nz is playing india in cricket :)
17:40 chris if we time it right, we could do it when nz is playing argentina in rugby :)
17:40 tcohen :-D that sounds awesome
17:39 magnus kohacon_in_argentina++
17:37 chris also, we must help you with Koha, otherwise how else can we have a kohacon in argentina some time in the future :)
17:36 chris i appreciate your emails helping people on the mailing list
17:36 chris no problem
17:35 tcohen thanks, really
17:35 tcohen chris, i apreciate your help a lot
17:34 chris sure does
17:33 magnus yeah, that script from paul_p sounds like it will be really cool
17:33 chris yeah
17:33 tcohen if we could dump records on individual files
17:32 tcohen i was going to ask
17:32 tcohen that sounds good
17:32 chris so that one bad record doesnt stop the indexing
17:32 chris that allows rebuild_zebra to deal with this better
17:32 chris paul has a script he is going to send
17:32 tcohen thanks!
17:32 chris also
17:32 chris cool
17:32 tcohen and then make some tests on this
17:32 tcohen ok, i'll calm my worried loved librarians here
17:31 chris you just cant do -x with -a
17:31 chris thats what ive noticed
17:31 tcohen no f* way, really?
17:31 chris tcohen: its actually faster
17:31 tcohen (that's not a problem for me)
17:31 chris im 99.9% sure its because we have a record that is too long
17:31 tcohen it will impact performance in some way, right?
17:30 tcohen ack
17:30 chris if that works
17:30 chris ie tell it to use the xml
17:30 chris rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x
17:30 tcohen as it has several notes
17:30 tcohen it is long
17:30 chris one thing to try too is
17:30 chris does it have a ton of items ?
17:29 chris i get that when a record is too long
17:29 tcohen [log] error grs.marcxml.record /tmp/ZGulZTbzZ7/biblio/exported_records 70118483
17:29 chris yes
17:29 tcohen [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
17:29 tcohen [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest
17:29 chris right, its possible that the length of the marc is too long
17:28 tcohen and the line number in exported_records
17:28 tcohen during rebuild_zebra
17:28 tcohen something like invalid record
17:28 chris (in koha that is, not marclint)
17:28 tcohen i've just cleared the konsole buffer but..
17:28 chris tcohen: what is the error that you are getting?
17:26 Brooke would be good.
17:25 tcohen perhaps we can then add a wiki page fr this
17:25 tcohen and learn a bit about debugging this kind of problems
17:25 * nengard hides
17:25 tcohen i'm just trying to figure out what went wrong with this database
17:25 tcohen we all hope that :-D
17:25 Brooke Cavalry's here.
17:25 jcamins_a If not, that would definitely make it invalid MARC.
17:25 * Brooke points at nengard
17:25 jcamins_a I would hope so.
17:25 jcamins_a tcohen: That I don't know.
17:24 tcohen does addbiblio.pl trigger the proper leader update?
17:24 jcamins_a I disagree that it's not valid MARC, though. Most ILSes use non-standard tags for something.
17:24 jcamins_a tcohen: yes, you would have to change the length if you removed subfield 9s.
17:24 Brooke <.<
17:24 Brooke >.>
17:23 * Brooke sees nuffin wrong with Koha MARC falling off the back of a van if it happens to work.
17:23 tcohen and leader info on the lenght of the record?
17:23 tcohen that means marc stored in biblioitems is not *really* valid marc
17:23 chris yep, so yeah marclint wont like it, but thats not to be worried about :)
17:23 * jcamins_a will be eating lunch soon, so really he's still not here.
17:23 jcamins_a Exactly.
17:22 tcohen at least that's what I thought
17:22 tcohen yes, subfield 9 is koha specific, and it's the responsible of linking o auth
17:22 magnus and in my demo running current HEAD the field is greyed out and has a little padlock in it...
17:22 * Brooke steals Mr. Camins' a.
17:21 jcamins_a tcohen: sorry, I got confused between who was saying what. Anyway, don't worry about it.
17:21 magnus in koha the fields are called "9 (RLIN)"
17:21 jcamins_a tcohen: ^^
17:21 magnus marc21 does not have subfield 9 in 650 and 651, it seems http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd650.html
17:20 jcamins_a It's Koha-specific.
17:20 francharb bye all
17:20 jcamins_a Brooke: subfield 9 isn't valid.
17:20 Brooke cause subject fields are kinda important.
17:20 Brooke what sort of complaint is it?
17:19 Brooke dern Nicole's not on.
17:18 chris they'd probably tell you that you have caused armageddon :)
17:17 chris you'd have to ask a cataloguer
17:17 tcohen y suppose that's not a problem
17:17 tcohen marclint complains about sunfield 9 for 650 and 651
17:16 chris hmm it should be ok to check it against
17:16 tcohen or it needs to be prepared first?
17:16 tcohen hi chris, is it ok to check a marc field dump (from biblioitems) against marclint?
17:10 chris yeah ive found them good to deal with
16:58 * Brooke highfives magnus.
16:58 Brooke :D
16:58 magnus ata marie, chris
16:57 chris owen: hlt do
16:50 * Brooke chuckles.
16:47 magnus Brooke: you're welcome!
16:46 Brooke I should move to Norway if they're so keen on redundancy...
16:46 Brooke ooooh
16:45 magnus norwegian saying: a good thing can not be said too many times ;-)
16:44 owen Thanks magnus, I think I have been told that before :)
16:43 magnus owen: search for koha here: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/LTFL:Libraries_using_LibraryThing_for_Libraries
16:42 owen Anyone know of a Koha library using LibraryThing in their OPAC?
16:37 nengard maybe ... brb ... got a screencast to record
16:36 magnus nengard: ;-) not sure what makes the bullets strange, though - could be the conversion to epub
16:33 nengard magnus I'm finding that while docbook is handy, it can be a bit screwy at times ... wizzyrea can attest to this as well
16:32 * Brooke smiles at magnus.
16:32 * magnus waves at Brooke
16:29 owen Thanks
16:28 nengard owen bug updated
16:27 * Brooke moseys on into #koha.
16:25 magnus nengard: the mobi is readable but bullet-points don't look too good, the bullet is above the associated text. details of what i did is in the README - it might be possible to tweak the process for prettier results
16:23 magnus nengard: i think the patch i sent was extra large because an image was included
16:22 nengard hang on -on a call
16:22 owen nengard: where do you see the 530 link in the staff client display?
16:22 ibot owen is, like, a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance
16:22 nengard yes owen?
16:22 nengard looks like all patch emails might get blocked cause of size ... but i'll always approve them
16:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5537 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, 530 not linking in OPAC
16:22 owen nengard: I have a question about Bug 5537
16:21 nengard not the hiccup, but the ebooks :)
16:21 nengard awesome!!!!!
16:21 magnus btw, i found that little hickup trying to do this: http://div.libriotech.no/kohaebook/
16:18 magnus nengard: first time i sent i got The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list
16:18 magnus nengard: i got an email saying The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 41275 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
16:13 nengard think i figured it out - i'm admin but not subscribed :)
16:11 magnus cool
16:10 nengard great - will look for it
16:10 magnus nengard: done
16:07 nengard magnus, I got your docs email in moderation and I thought I approved it to go through - but I don't see it anywhere - can you send it again?
16:06 magnus could be worse then, fingers crossed
15:59 nengard not bad, dad seems to think it's not a leak per se, but something about the ice melting and not having a place to go - so maybe only internal damage - got to get a contractor in to look
15:59 magnus hiya nengard - how's the roof?
14:55 jwagner Hi ebegin
14:52 ebegin hello #koha!
14:44 paul_p 'morning owen & gmcharlt
14:44 * paul_p just ended upgrading Aix-Marseille server to Squeeze ! everything seems OK ... /me continues to fix some AixMarseille glitches...
14:41 owen Thanks gmcharlt
14:25 gmcharlt that indicates the two trees to travel down look for specific commits to cherry-pick
14:25 gmcharlt owen: in the gitweb page, note the (merge: 9c54d01 5ce9eb6) bit
14:18 cait bye all
14:18 cait time for ikea :)
14:09 * owen was trying to have a look at this: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-ptfs.git;a=commitdiff;h=f84dc0acc5ead6f3428473be296a97974a3e040c
14:02 gmcharlt if you're just cherry-picking a particular commit or set of commits, you may just need to scroll down a bit more in git log to identify the "real" commit to cherry-pick
14:02 gmcharlt owen: pretty much what it says - it means that you've selected a merge commit (which is merging in one or more "real" commits), and it wants to know what side of the merge to bring in
13:59 owen fatal: Commit XXXX is a merge but no -m option was given.
13:59 owen What does it mean when I try to git cherry-pick something and I get this error:
13:48 cait hi france ;)
13:48 paul_p hello germany/cait
13:45 cait hi all :)
13:37 Nate :)
13:36 druthb hi, paul_p! welcome back, Nate.
13:35 jwagner Bonjour paul_p
13:35 paul_p 'morning morning ppl !
13:35 paul_p druthb, lol :D
13:29 druthb a drive-by Nate-ing.
13:22 Nate Morning druthb, owen, adn everyone else!
13:21 druthb hi, owen and Nate! :)
13:21 owen Hi #koha
10:07 magnus i have tested the .mobi on a kindle and it looks ok - biggest problem is bulleted points, where the bullet is displayed above the related text
09:54 magnus fredericd: first attempt http://div.libriotech.no/kohaebook/
09:02 paul_p was the golf nice ?
09:02 magnus g'night chris
09:02 paul_p sweet dreams chris
09:02 * chris heads to sleep, night all
09:01 paul_p will ask sysop@ for how to buy a certificate
09:01 paul_p it's just because it's a self-signed certificate.
09:00 paul_p yes, i'm watching.
08:59 chris ah yeah i got that too, if paul_p is watching he might get someone to fix it :-)
08:59 magnus btw: the https pages on https://lists.koha-community.org/ give me an ugly warning about the certificate or somesuch
08:57 magnus ah, yes that makes sense
08:56 chris not really a component, but its own thing
08:56 chris but the manual is something quite different
08:56 chris yep, i think there are different types of documentation, the help files as part of koha as one
08:55 magnus "documentation" is listed as a component in bugzilla
08:54 magnus sounds like a good idea
08:54 chris if we were to do bugs, itd be nice to set up another product koha-docs or something to keep them separate
08:51 magnus ok, i'll submit a patch without a bug and then (maybe) suffer her wrath...
08:50 chris id say no for the bugs, but that would be up to nicole
08:50 chris https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-docs
08:50 magnus yup, i found that
08:49 chris theres a different mailing list for patches to the docs
08:48 magnus should patches to the manual have a corresponding bug, just like patches to the code?
08:33 francharb :)
08:24 magnus bon bout d'an paul_p
08:23 fredericd itou Paul, comme on dit j'sais pas o�
08:23 paul_p (we say that just between christmas & new year. Short duration => we say it all the day :D )
08:22 paul_p "bon bout d'an" fredericd comme on dit à Marseille
08:22 francharb :)
08:22 paul_p hello world !
08:21 fredericd hello francharb
08:21 magnus hi francharb
08:21 magnus fredericd: yeah, only one way to find that out... ;-)
08:21 francharb hello
08:20 fredericd There is just an issue with images. There are a lot of screenshots. I'm not very confident it will render properly on an Kindle
08:20 magnus and kindlegen is of course only needed to get it on the kindle...
08:19 magnus it doesn't look like it should be too difficult, using dbtoepub and kindlegen (from amazon)
08:17 fredericd I may do it...
08:17 fredericd magnus: I'd like also to have Koha manual on my ebook reader...
08:14 chris hi fredericd
08:14 magnus merry christmas, fredericd
08:13 fredericd hi all and merry christmas
08:13 magnus all of the time would be creepy/scary, i think? ;-)
08:12 chris most of the time :)
08:12 magnus cute kids!
08:07 magnus hehe
08:06 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/12/29/red-wagon/
08:06 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5526: Follow up patch removing a warn statement
08:06 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5526, List of lists should be in alphabetical order by list name
08:06 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5542: Availability code commented out - Uncommenting
08:05 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5540, editing slip news changes to librarian interface
08:05 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #256: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/256/
08:05 magnus hm, that sounds cool
08:04 chris it could follow the kohadocs repository and rebuild the pdf/epub/odt/whatever whenever it notices changes
08:04 chris you could even use hudson to do it
08:04 chris :)
08:03 magnus but it isn't really what i was supposed to think about today... ;-)
08:03 magnus yeah, i was thinking about something like that
08:02 chris youd want to script it, so it rebuilds every so often
08:02 chris because its all in docbook, you can convert it to anything you want, those included
08:00 * magnus wonders if having the documentation for koha in ebook formats like epub and mobi would be useful...
07:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5526: Follow up patch removing a warn statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5b55d1c40a967ed3676f9e85a6ec002074d13e7> / Fix for Bug 5526, List of lists should be in alphabetical order by list name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdbf872bd5dcc99b6e93ab920a0ef17a7592c8c9> / Bug 5542: Availability code commented out - Uncommenting <http://git.koha-communi
07:43 hudsonbot Starting build 256 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
07:36 glernil ok thanks
07:36 chris jump down to about line 368
07:35 chris right, so in the INSTALL.ubuntu file
07:35 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #68: UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/68/
07:34 glernil from source
07:33 glernil i installed it in ubuntu 10.10 server
07:32 glernil i already have the tarball of 3.2.2
07:32 chris and how did you install it, from source or from the debian packages?
07:31 glernil yes
07:30 chris its 3.2.0 right?
07:30 glernil i just want to ask how can i upgrade my koha installation 3.2 to 3.2.2?
07:29 glernil hello chris
07:29 chris hi glernil
07:28 magnus kia ora chris & #koha
07:27 chris hi magnus
07:20 chris phew
07:18 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #255: FIXED in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/255/
07:18 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
07:17 ivanc hi chris
07:17 chris hi ivanc
07:13 ivanc hi #koha
07:10 hudsonbot Starting build 68 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago)
06:55 hudsonbot Starting build 255 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #244 7 days 4 hr ago)
06:54 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
06:54 chris !hudson build koha_master now
06:29 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for bug 5451, can add tags with userlogin turned off
06:29 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #254: FAILURE in 1 min 30 sec: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/254/
06:28 hudsonbot Starting build 254 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
06:27 chris well thats something, not quite what i wanted, but something
06:23 hudsonbot * Amit Gupta: Bug 5489: Send hold email to branch email address if it exists instead of koha email address
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page
06:23 hudsonbot * Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch
06:23 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5470 - improvements to results display in the staff client
06:23 hudsonbot * Robin Sheat: bug4891 - sort facets in search sidebar (OPAC and staff client)
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3987 - New Sys Prefs Branch - Alphabetize prefs in sections
06:23 hudsonbot * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 5510: prepend output with system name
06:23 hudsonbot * Serhij Dubyk {?????? ?????}: Deleted old sample budget sql-data for Ukrainian and Russian
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4997, More searches menu not on OPAC MARC and ISBD detail pages
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4946 - hold warning needs rewording
06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3859, Attach item clarification
06:23 hudsonbot * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 5294 - Unescape vendor name when pushing back
06:23 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5398: make additional pages in staff interface obey noItemTypeImages
06:23 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 4826 change 'add basket' to 'new basket'
06:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #67: FAILURE in 1 min 44 sec: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/67/
06:22 hudsonbot Starting build 67 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago)
06:16 chris :)
06:15 robin OK, I can't force myself to do work any more. I think I have to leave. It's too nice, and too much straight-after-holiday to sit here any longer :)
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05:56 chris ta
05:53 robin basically, java -Xmx512M or something like that (relative to what it is currently. I forget what the default is)
05:52 robin but, it'll also run the GC more which may help.
05:52 chris right
05:52 robin it's less likely to take out other things, but more likely to take itself out with OOMError
05:52 chris Dec 29 05:53:31 li105-217 hudson: hudson: fatal: client (pid 29891) killed by signal 9, exiting
05:52 robin in that case, lower the memory given to the JVM
05:51 robin hmm.
05:51 chris yeah, bring up apache, pop goes hudson
05:50 chris ah good idea
05:50 robin e.g. apache
05:50 robin I'd recommend installing restartd for the critical things
05:49 robin in that, it's not really an algorithm that can be got right
05:49 * chris brings it back up
05:49 robin yeah, the OOM killer is intentionally iffy.
05:49 chris ah yep, bugs. is down
05:49 robin ah.
05:49 chris but i think the last time it took down apache too
05:48 * robin has a bit too much experience tuning java for it to be healthy
05:48 chris the former
05:48 robin (i.e. is the process in the JVM running out, or is the system running out?)
05:48 chris it only started happening with a recent upgrade, so im hoping it will get fixed
05:48 robin Is it thrashing badly, or is it OutOfMemoryError'ing?
05:47 chris id have to shell out for the next level up of linode
05:47 chris can't, its got all the box has
05:47 robin chris: give the JVM process more memory
05:46 chris hudson keeps ooming itself
05:46 hudsonbot Starting build 251 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
05:46 chris stupid memory hungry java
05:46 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
05:46 chris !hudson build koha_master now
05:39 hudsonbot Starting build 250 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
05:39 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
05:39 chris !hudson build koha_master now
05:22 chris and hi amit
05:22 chris ohhhh awesome!
05:15 * robin wasn't given the whole head of santa :(
05:13 robin (by significant, I mean "more than you can comfortably eat in one sitting", not like a whole head or something)
05:12 robin http://santacametotown.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/santa-came-to-town/ <-- chris: there will a significant amount of this in your desk when you return, just so you know where the surprise chocolate came from :)
05:11 hdl hi Amit
05:10 Amit hi hdl
05:10 Amit hi chris
05:10 hdl hi chris
05:09 chris Hi hdl
03:39 Oak \o
03:28 chris Ta
03:28 robin OK, zapped the content, anyway
03:27 chris Maybe just delete the content, might have to get a few more admin logins from gmcharlt
03:27 chris Not sure for mediawiki
03:27 chris Hmm good question
03:26 robin how do I delete a page?
03:26 chris Thanks robin
03:26 chris If someone clicks thru on it they'll do it more
03:26 robin OK
03:25 chris Can you login to the wiki and kill the payday spam
03:25 chris Someone got a sec and a real computer not a phone and a baby?
02:34 robin jcamins: yep
02:23 jcamins I guess if the upgrade script (blanking on the name right now) defaults to ShelfBrowserUsersLocation=yes, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode=no, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch=yes the behavior would be the same.
02:17 jcamins :)
02:14 robin ah
02:14 ibot jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
02:14 robin ibot: jcamins?
02:13 robin jcamins: well, that's not a terrible solution.
02:13 robin weird old bot
02:13 ibot i haven't a clue, robin
02:13 robin ibot: I?
02:13 robin i?
02:13 ibot okay, jcamins.
02:13 jcamins I am also trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
02:11 jcamins That was my hope. :)
02:10 robin I wonder if I can think of a solution that solves them all at once.
02:10 jcamins That's what I was leading up to. There needs to be an option to have the shelf browser pay attention to ccode.
02:10 robin hmm
02:10 robin ah, interesting
02:10 jcamins Right.
02:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration
02:09 jcamins Anyway, some libraries are also concerned about bug 4367, which is kind of the opposite of bug 5551.
02:09 robin oh, homebranch and location, not location and ccode
02:09 robin ah, right
02:09 jcamins [off] when you have to give four weeks of notice, you have *lots* of time to empty your inboxes.
02:08 robin I'm down to inbox 1,549 or so.
02:08 robin heh
02:08 * jcamins resents terribly when there are messages in his inbox, now that he has attained inbox zero.
02:08 robin as a syspref that allows it to be toggled between current behaviour and location/ccode-ignorant.
02:08 * jcamins subscribes to koha-bugs
02:08 jcamins How are you thinking of implementing that?
02:07 robin that was quick :)
02:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, The shelf browser should be able to ignore things like location
02:07 jcamins Just saw bug 5551.
02:07 robin jcamins: yarp
02:07 jcamins_a robin: around?