Time Nick Message 02:07 jcamins_a robin: around? 02:07 robin jcamins: yarp 02:07 jcamins Just saw bug 5551. 02:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, The shelf browser should be able to ignore things like location 02:07 robin that was quick :) 02:08 jcamins How are you thinking of implementing that? 02:08 * jcamins subscribes to koha-bugs 02:08 robin as a syspref that allows it to be toggled between current behaviour and location/ccode-ignorant. 02:08 * jcamins resents terribly when there are messages in his inbox, now that he has attained inbox zero. 02:08 robin heh 02:08 robin I'm down to inbox 1,549 or so. 02:09 jcamins [off] when you have to give four weeks of notice, you have *lots* of time to empty your inboxes. 02:09 robin ah, right 02:09 robin oh, homebranch and location, not location and ccode 02:09 jcamins Anyway, some libraries are also concerned about bug 4367, which is kind of the opposite of bug 5551. 02:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration 02:10 jcamins Right. 02:10 robin ah, interesting 02:10 robin hmm 02:10 jcamins That's what I was leading up to. There needs to be an option to have the shelf browser pay attention to ccode. 02:10 robin I wonder if I can think of a solution that solves them all at once. 02:11 jcamins That was my hope. :) 02:13 jcamins I am also trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. 02:13 ibot okay, jcamins. 02:13 robin i? 02:13 robin ibot: I? 02:13 ibot i haven't a clue, robin 02:13 robin weird old bot 02:13 robin jcamins: well, that's not a terrible solution. 02:14 robin ibot: jcamins? 02:14 ibot jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. 02:14 robin ah 02:17 jcamins :) 02:23 jcamins I guess if the upgrade script (blanking on the name right now) defaults to ShelfBrowserUsersLocation=yes, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode=no, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch=yes the behavior would be the same. 02:34 robin jcamins: yep 03:25 chris Someone got a sec and a real computer not a phone and a baby? 03:25 chris Can you login to the wiki and kill the payday spam 03:26 robin OK 03:26 chris If someone clicks thru on it they'll do it more 03:26 chris Thanks robin 03:26 robin how do I delete a page? 03:27 chris Hmm good question 03:27 chris Not sure for mediawiki 03:27 chris Maybe just delete the content, might have to get a few more admin logins from gmcharlt 03:28 robin OK, zapped the content, anyway 03:28 chris Ta 03:39 Oak \o 05:09 chris Hi hdl 05:10 hdl hi chris 05:10 Amit hi chris 05:10 Amit hi hdl 05:11 hdl hi Amit 05:12 robin http://santacametotown.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/santa-came-to-town/ <-- chris: there will a significant amount of this in your desk when you return, just so you know where the surprise chocolate came from :) 05:13 robin (by significant, I mean "more than you can comfortably eat in one sitting", not like a whole head or something) 05:15 * robin wasn't given the whole head of santa :( 05:22 chris ohhhh awesome! 05:22 chris and hi amit 05:39 chris !hudson build koha_master now 05:39 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now 05:39 hudsonbot Starting build 250 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 05:46 chris !hudson build koha_master now 05:46 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now 05:46 chris stupid memory hungry java 05:46 hudsonbot Starting build 251 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 05:46 chris hudson keeps ooming itself 05:47 robin chris: give the JVM process more memory 05:47 chris can't, its got all the box has 05:47 chris id have to shell out for the next level up of linode 05:48 robin Is it thrashing badly, or is it OutOfMemoryError'ing? 05:48 chris it only started happening with a recent upgrade, so im hoping it will get fixed 05:48 robin (i.e. is the process in the JVM running out, or is the system running out?) 05:48 chris the former 05:48 * robin has a bit too much experience tuning java for it to be healthy 05:49 chris but i think the last time it took down apache too 05:49 robin ah. 05:49 chris ah yep, bugs. is down 05:49 robin yeah, the OOM killer is intentionally iffy. 05:49 * chris brings it back up 05:49 robin in that, it's not really an algorithm that can be got right 05:50 robin I'd recommend installing restartd for the critical things 05:50 robin e.g. apache 05:50 chris ah good idea 05:51 chris yeah, bring up apache, pop goes hudson 05:51 robin hmm. 05:52 robin in that case, lower the memory given to the JVM 05:52 chris Dec 29 05:53:31 li105-217 hudson: hudson: fatal: client (pid 29891) killed by signal 9, exiting 05:52 robin it's less likely to take out other things, but more likely to take itself out with OOMError 05:52 chris right 05:52 robin but, it'll also run the GC more which may help. 05:53 robin basically, java -Xmx512M or something like that (relative to what it is currently. I forget what the default is) 05:56 chris ta 05:57 hudsonbot Starting build 252 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 05:57 hudsonbot Starting build 66 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago) 06:09 hudsonbot Starting build 253 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 06:15 robin OK, I can't force myself to do work any more. I think I have to leave. It's too nice, and too much straight-after-holiday to sit here any longer :) 06:16 chris :) 06:22 hudsonbot Starting build 67 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago) 06:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #67: FAILURE in 1 min 44 sec: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/67/ 06:23 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 4826 change 'add basket' to 'new basket' 06:23 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5398: make additional pages in staff interface obey noItemTypeImages 06:23 hudsonbot * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 5294 - Unescape vendor name when pushing back 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3859, Attach item clarification 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4946 - hold warning needs rewording 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4997, More searches menu not on OPAC MARC and ISBD detail pages 06:23 hudsonbot * Serhij Dubyk {?????? ?????}: Deleted old sample budget sql-data for Ukrainian and Russian 06:23 hudsonbot * Srdjan Jankovic: Bug 5510: prepend output with system name 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3987 - New Sys Prefs Branch - Alphabetize prefs in sections 06:23 hudsonbot * Robin Sheat: bug4891 - sort facets in search sidebar (OPAC and staff client) 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5470 - improvements to results display in the staff client 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page 06:23 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set 06:23 hudsonbot * Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch 06:23 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page 06:23 hudsonbot * Amit Gupta: Bug 5489: Send hold email to branch email address if it exists instead of koha email address 06:27 chris well thats something, not quite what i wanted, but something 06:28 hudsonbot Starting build 254 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 06:29 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #254: FAILURE in 1 min 30 sec: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/254/ 06:29 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for bug 5451, can add tags with userlogin turned off 06:54 chris !hudson build koha_master now 06:54 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now 06:55 hudsonbot Starting build 255 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #244 7 days 4 hr ago) 07:10 hudsonbot Starting build 68 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #54 22 days ago) 07:13 ivanc hi #koha 07:17 chris hi ivanc 07:17 ivanc hi chris 07:18 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed! 07:18 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #255: FIXED in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/255/ 07:20 chris phew 07:27 chris hi magnus 07:28 magnus kia ora chris & #koha 07:29 chris hi glernil 07:29 glernil hello chris 07:30 glernil i just want to ask how can i upgrade my koha installation 3.2 to 3.2.2? 07:30 chris its 3.2.0 right? 07:31 glernil yes 07:32 chris and how did you install it, from source or from the debian packages? 07:32 glernil i already have the tarball of 3.2.2 07:33 glernil i installed it in ubuntu 10.10 server 07:34 glernil from source 07:35 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #68: UNSTABLE in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/68/ 07:35 chris right, so in the INSTALL.ubuntu file 07:36 chris jump down to about line 368 07:36 glernil ok thanks 07:43 hudsonbot Starting build 256 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) 07:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5526: Follow up patch removing a warn statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5b55d1c40a967ed3676f9e85a6ec002074d13e7> / Fix for Bug 5526, List of lists should be in alphabetical order by list name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdbf872bd5dcc99b6e93ab920a0ef17a7592c8c9> / Bug 5542: Availability code commented out - Uncommenting <http://git.koha-communi 08:00 * magnus wonders if having the documentation for koha in ebook formats like epub and mobi would be useful... 08:02 chris because its all in docbook, you can convert it to anything you want, those included 08:02 chris youd want to script it, so it rebuilds every so often 08:03 magnus yeah, i was thinking about something like that 08:03 magnus but it isn't really what i was supposed to think about today... ;-) 08:04 chris :) 08:04 chris you could even use hudson to do it 08:04 chris it could follow the kohadocs repository and rebuild the pdf/epub/odt/whatever whenever it notices changes 08:05 magnus hm, that sounds cool 08:05 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #256: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/256/ 08:05 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5540, editing slip news changes to librarian interface 08:06 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5542: Availability code commented out - Uncommenting 08:06 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5526, List of lists should be in alphabetical order by list name 08:06 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5526: Follow up patch removing a warn statement 08:06 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/12/29/red-wagon/ 08:07 magnus hehe 08:12 magnus cute kids! 08:12 chris most of the time :) 08:13 magnus all of the time would be creepy/scary, i think? ;-) 08:13 fredericd hi all and merry christmas 08:14 magnus merry christmas, fredericd 08:14 chris hi fredericd 08:17 fredericd magnus: I'd like also to have Koha manual on my ebook reader... 08:17 fredericd I may do it... 08:19 magnus it doesn't look like it should be too difficult, using dbtoepub and kindlegen (from amazon) 08:20 magnus and kindlegen is of course only needed to get it on the kindle... 08:20 fredericd There is just an issue with images. There are a lot of screenshots. I'm not very confident it will render properly on an Kindle 08:21 francharb hello 08:21 magnus fredericd: yeah, only one way to find that out... ;-) 08:21 magnus hi francharb 08:21 fredericd hello francharb 08:22 paul_p hello world ! 08:22 francharb :) 08:22 paul_p "bon bout d'an" fredericd comme on dit à Marseille 08:23 paul_p (we say that just between christmas & new year. Short duration => we say it all the day :D ) 08:23 fredericd itou Paul, comme on dit j'sais pas o� 08:24 magnus bon bout d'an paul_p 08:33 francharb :) 08:48 magnus should patches to the manual have a corresponding bug, just like patches to the code? 08:49 chris theres a different mailing list for patches to the docs 08:50 magnus yup, i found that 08:50 chris https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-docs 08:50 chris id say no for the bugs, but that would be up to nicole 08:51 magnus ok, i'll submit a patch without a bug and then (maybe) suffer her wrath... 08:54 chris if we were to do bugs, itd be nice to set up another product koha-docs or something to keep them separate 08:54 magnus sounds like a good idea 08:55 magnus "documentation" is listed as a component in bugzilla 08:56 chris yep, i think there are different types of documentation, the help files as part of koha as one 08:56 chris but the manual is something quite different 08:56 chris not really a component, but its own thing 08:57 magnus ah, yes that makes sense 08:59 magnus btw: the https pages on https://lists.koha-community.org/ give me an ugly warning about the certificate or somesuch 08:59 chris ah yeah i got that too, if paul_p is watching he might get someone to fix it :-) 09:00 paul_p yes, i'm watching. 09:01 paul_p it's just because it's a self-signed certificate. 09:01 paul_p will ask sysop@ for how to buy a certificate 09:02 * chris heads to sleep, night all 09:02 paul_p sweet dreams chris 09:02 magnus g'night chris 09:02 paul_p was the golf nice ? 09:54 magnus fredericd: first attempt http://div.libriotech.no/kohaebook/ 10:07 magnus i have tested the .mobi on a kindle and it looks ok - biggest problem is bulleted points, where the bullet is displayed above the related text 13:21 owen Hi #koha 13:21 druthb hi, owen and Nate! :) 13:22 Nate Morning druthb, owen, adn everyone else! 13:29 druthb a drive-by Nate-ing. 13:35 paul_p druthb, lol :D 13:35 paul_p 'morning morning ppl ! 13:35 jwagner Bonjour paul_p 13:36 druthb hi, paul_p! welcome back, Nate. 13:37 Nate :) 13:45 cait hi all :) 13:48 paul_p hello germany/cait 13:48 cait hi france ;) 13:59 owen What does it mean when I try to git cherry-pick something and I get this error: 13:59 owen fatal: Commit XXXX is a merge but no -m option was given. 14:02 gmcharlt owen: pretty much what it says - it means that you've selected a merge commit (which is merging in one or more "real" commits), and it wants to know what side of the merge to bring in 14:02 gmcharlt if you're just cherry-picking a particular commit or set of commits, you may just need to scroll down a bit more in git log to identify the "real" commit to cherry-pick 14:09 * owen was trying to have a look at this: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-ptfs.git;a=commitdiff;h=f84dc0acc5ead6f3428473be296a97974a3e040c 14:18 cait time for ikea :) 14:18 cait bye all 14:25 gmcharlt owen: in the gitweb page, note the (merge: 9c54d01 5ce9eb6) bit 14:25 gmcharlt that indicates the two trees to travel down look for specific commits to cherry-pick 14:41 owen Thanks gmcharlt 14:44 * paul_p just ended upgrading Aix-Marseille server to Squeeze ! everything seems OK ... /me continues to fix some AixMarseille glitches... 14:44 paul_p 'morning owen & gmcharlt 14:52 ebegin hello #koha! 14:55 jwagner Hi ebegin 15:59 magnus hiya nengard - how's the roof? 15:59 nengard not bad, dad seems to think it's not a leak per se, but something about the ice melting and not having a place to go - so maybe only internal damage - got to get a contractor in to look 16:06 magnus could be worse then, fingers crossed 16:07 nengard magnus, I got your docs email in moderation and I thought I approved it to go through - but I don't see it anywhere - can you send it again? 16:10 magnus nengard: done 16:10 nengard great - will look for it 16:11 magnus cool 16:13 nengard think i figured it out - i'm admin but not subscribed :) 16:18 magnus nengard: i got an email saying The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 41275 bytes with a limit of 40 KB 16:18 magnus nengard: first time i sent i got The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list 16:21 magnus btw, i found that little hickup trying to do this: http://div.libriotech.no/kohaebook/ 16:21 nengard awesome!!!!! 16:21 nengard not the hiccup, but the ebooks :) 16:22 owen nengard: I have a question about Bug 5537 16:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5537 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, 530 not linking in OPAC 16:22 nengard looks like all patch emails might get blocked cause of size ... but i'll always approve them 16:22 nengard yes owen? 16:22 ibot owen is, like, a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance 16:22 owen nengard: where do you see the 530 link in the staff client display? 16:22 nengard hang on -on a call 16:23 magnus nengard: i think the patch i sent was extra large because an image was included 16:25 magnus nengard: the mobi is readable but bullet-points don't look too good, the bullet is above the associated text. details of what i did is in the README - it might be possible to tweak the process for prettier results 16:27 * Brooke moseys on into #koha. 16:28 nengard owen bug updated 16:29 owen Thanks 16:32 * magnus waves at Brooke 16:32 * Brooke smiles at magnus. 16:33 nengard magnus I'm finding that while docbook is handy, it can be a bit screwy at times ... wizzyrea can attest to this as well 16:36 magnus nengard: ;-) not sure what makes the bullets strange, though - could be the conversion to epub 16:37 nengard maybe ... brb ... got a screencast to record 16:42 owen Anyone know of a Koha library using LibraryThing in their OPAC? 16:43 magnus owen: search for koha here: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/LTFL:Libraries_using_LibraryThing_for_Libraries 16:44 owen Thanks magnus, I think I have been told that before :) 16:45 magnus norwegian saying: a good thing can not be said too many times ;-) 16:46 Brooke ooooh 16:46 Brooke I should move to Norway if they're so keen on redundancy... 16:47 magnus Brooke: you're welcome! 16:50 * Brooke chuckles. 16:57 chris owen: hlt do 16:58 magnus ata marie, chris 16:58 Brooke :D 16:58 * Brooke highfives magnus. 17:10 chris yeah ive found them good to deal with 17:16 tcohen hi chris, is it ok to check a marc field dump (from biblioitems) against marclint? 17:16 tcohen or it needs to be prepared first? 17:16 chris hmm it should be ok to check it against 17:17 tcohen marclint complains about sunfield 9 for 650 and 651 17:17 tcohen y suppose that's not a problem 17:17 chris you'd have to ask a cataloguer 17:18 chris they'd probably tell you that you have caused armageddon :) 17:19 Brooke dern Nicole's not on. 17:20 Brooke what sort of complaint is it? 17:20 Brooke cause subject fields are kinda important. 17:20 jcamins_a Brooke: subfield 9 isn't valid. 17:20 francharb bye all 17:20 jcamins_a It's Koha-specific. 17:21 magnus marc21 does not have subfield 9 in 650 and 651, it seems http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd650.html 17:21 jcamins_a tcohen: ^^ 17:21 magnus in koha the fields are called "9 (RLIN)" 17:21 jcamins_a tcohen: sorry, I got confused between who was saying what. Anyway, don't worry about it. 17:22 * Brooke steals Mr. Camins' a. 17:22 magnus and in my demo running current HEAD the field is greyed out and has a little padlock in it... 17:22 tcohen yes, subfield 9 is koha specific, and it's the responsible of linking o auth 17:22 tcohen at least that's what I thought 17:23 jcamins_a Exactly. 17:23 * jcamins_a will be eating lunch soon, so really he's still not here. 17:23 chris yep, so yeah marclint wont like it, but thats not to be worried about :) 17:23 tcohen that means marc stored in biblioitems is not *really* valid marc 17:23 tcohen and leader info on the lenght of the record? 17:23 * Brooke sees nuffin wrong with Koha MARC falling off the back of a van if it happens to work. 17:24 Brooke >.> 17:24 Brooke <.< 17:24 jcamins_a tcohen: yes, you would have to change the length if you removed subfield 9s. 17:24 jcamins_a I disagree that it's not valid MARC, though. Most ILSes use non-standard tags for something. 17:24 tcohen does addbiblio.pl trigger the proper leader update? 17:25 jcamins_a tcohen: That I don't know. 17:25 jcamins_a I would hope so. 17:25 * Brooke points at nengard 17:25 jcamins_a If not, that would definitely make it invalid MARC. 17:25 Brooke Cavalry's here. 17:25 tcohen we all hope that :-D 17:25 tcohen i'm just trying to figure out what went wrong with this database 17:25 * nengard hides 17:25 tcohen and learn a bit about debugging this kind of problems 17:25 tcohen perhaps we can then add a wiki page fr this 17:26 Brooke would be good. 17:28 chris tcohen: what is the error that you are getting? 17:28 tcohen i've just cleared the konsole buffer but.. 17:28 chris (in koha that is, not marclint) 17:28 tcohen something like invalid record 17:28 tcohen during rebuild_zebra 17:28 tcohen and the line number in exported_records 17:29 chris right, its possible that the length of the marc is too long 17:29 tcohen [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 17:29 tcohen [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 17:29 chris yes 17:29 tcohen [log] error grs.marcxml.record /tmp/ZGulZTbzZ7/biblio/exported_records 70118483 17:29 chris i get that when a record is too long 17:30 chris does it have a ton of items ? 17:30 chris one thing to try too is 17:30 tcohen it is long 17:30 tcohen as it has several notes 17:30 chris rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x 17:30 chris ie tell it to use the xml 17:30 chris if that works 17:30 tcohen ack 17:31 tcohen it will impact performance in some way, right? 17:31 chris im 99.9% sure its because we have a record that is too long 17:31 tcohen (that's not a problem for me) 17:31 chris tcohen: its actually faster 17:31 tcohen no f* way, really? 17:31 chris thats what ive noticed 17:31 chris you just cant do -x with -a 17:32 tcohen ok, i'll calm my worried loved librarians here 17:32 tcohen and then make some tests on this 17:32 chris cool 17:32 chris also 17:32 tcohen thanks! 17:32 chris paul has a script he is going to send 17:32 chris that allows rebuild_zebra to deal with this better 17:32 chris so that one bad record doesnt stop the indexing 17:32 tcohen that sounds good 17:32 tcohen i was going to ask 17:33 tcohen if we could dump records on individual files 17:33 chris yeah 17:33 magnus yeah, that script from paul_p sounds like it will be really cool 17:34 chris sure does 17:35 tcohen chris, i apreciate your help a lot 17:35 tcohen thanks, really 17:36 chris no problem 17:36 chris i appreciate your emails helping people on the mailing list 17:37 chris also, we must help you with Koha, otherwise how else can we have a kohacon in argentina some time in the future :) 17:39 magnus kohacon_in_argentina++ 17:40 tcohen :-D that sounds awesome 17:40 chris if we time it right, we could do it when nz is playing argentina in rugby :) 17:41 chris and then kohacon in india when nz is playing india in cricket :) 17:42 tcohen hahaha 17:43 Brooke oooooh 17:43 * Brooke is all for an Argentine KohaCon 17:43 Brooke kohacon_in_argentina++ 17:44 chris asado++ 17:44 tcohen i think as a local team we can have a small (but bigger) chance 17:47 tcohen bye all, got to levae! 17:48 chris see you later 17:49 Brooke bye 17:54 chris i wonder if petuomin knows larsw 17:54 * chris just assumes everyone in finland knows everyone else :) 17:54 larsw chris, just like everyone in NZ knows everyone else? :) 17:55 larsw his name does not ring a bell for me, but my memory space for names is limited to about three 17:55 chris well, its actually pretty close to being true :-) 17:55 chris heh 17:55 druthb ...something like 4 million folks in NZ, right? About the size of the Washington DC metro area, IIRC. 17:56 chris merry christmas larsw and a happy new year :) 17:56 larsw chris, thank you, and merry christmas and a happy new year to you, too, you lucky summer-dweller :) 17:57 chris had a couple of stormy days early in the week, but a nice high has settled in now 17:58 chris @wunder wellington nz 17:58 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 18:01 Brooke 4,252,277 18:01 Brooke according to the CIA World Factbook. 18:02 Brooke 4.38 million according to Tatauranga Aotearoa 18:03 * Brooke waves to Michael 18:04 magnus 4,676,305 in norway - let me assure you we don't all know each other... ;-) 18:04 Michael :) 18:05 Michael Warning: I'm about to toss a random question out there. 18:05 Brooke awesome 18:05 Brooke fire away 18:05 chris magnus: did i ever ask you if you know my ex girlfriend she lives in norway now :-) 18:06 Michael Inventory...in what format should my barcode file be? text (tab delimited)? 18:06 chris magnus: in Verdalsøra 18:07 Michael The reason I ask is that I put 10 or 20 barcodes into an excel file, saved it as txt (tab delimited) and plugged it into the Inventory engine. 18:07 chris one barcode per line Michael 18:07 Michael (yes, I had one barcode per line) The results were odd... 18:08 Michael It spit my list back at me (good), with barcodes AND call numbers, but then in the Problems column, all but the first one said "can't find in Koha" 18:09 magnus chris: i have hardly heard of Verdals�ra, but if you give me the name... ;-) 18:09 Michael If it "can't find" then how'd it get those call nos? 18:10 chris good question 18:10 Michael Anyway, I chose to go another route with my inventory-ing...create a list of items within a range of call nos and then "see" them one by one, by putting checkmarks on the list. 18:11 chris what you could do is use bulk item edit 18:12 chris /cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl 18:12 Michael you mean plug the same barcode list into bulk item edit and "see" them all that way? 18:12 chris i know for a fact that takes a file with one barcode per line 18:12 chris and yep 18:12 Michael hm, okay. 18:12 Michael maybe i'll give that a try 18:13 Michael i do like the checklist method, though, as it circumvents barcode scanning altogether. 18:13 Michael of course, it means i need to push a laptop through the stacks with me 18:13 Michael but w/e 18:14 Michael thx 4 the tip 18:17 chris now thats where our android client wins 18:18 chris just take your phone in the stacks 18:18 * magnus shakes his head at norwegian proprietary ils Mikromarc which seems to have put exactly the same info into 000 and 008... 18:28 chris me: what do you want for breakfast 18:28 chris kahu: merican porridge 18:29 chris luckily we had some quaker oatmeal stashed away, and 2 mins in the microwave and he is happy 18:30 Brooke well, as the current RM, clearly you're aware of who is in charge of Yank Food Relief. 18:32 chris well he can only have one or 2 of those a year, or all his teeth will fall out :-) 18:32 * Brooke adds "quaker oats" to "Jif" and "catsup" 18:33 Brooke ohnoes, that would lead me to believe it's a flavoured variety pack... 18:33 chris apple and cinnamon 18:33 Brooke a yep 18:33 Brooke I reckon he won't eat the plain. 18:33 Brooke (and honestly, why would you?) 18:33 chris he eats plain rolled oats normally 18:34 chris with brown sugar on top admittedly, but only half a teaspoon ... not 598237349 spoons full 18:34 chris :) 18:34 Brooke the little mister mixes up a wicked steel cut oatmeal 18:34 Brooke but it totally defeats the purpose of oats in the first place. 18:34 chris its too hot for porridge today anyway ... he's a weirdo 18:35 Brooke it's too cold for Ice Cream here 18:35 Brooke and yet... 18:36 chris :) 18:37 chris darling would say (if he was here) its never too cold for ice cream 18:37 Brooke man after me scarred nearly non extant heart. 18:40 chris theres a good shop in cuba street that does real fruit ice cream 18:41 Brooke Taunt me not. 18:41 Brooke I went there with Nicole. 18:41 Brooke Cuba street also has a bead shop that I just about knocked over. 18:42 Brooke the community would have looked much better for our koha were I to have the teeny weeny beads now in my possession. 19:02 nengard what about nicole ... 19:02 nengard west chester 19:02 nengard :) 19:03 Brooke we went to that little health shoppe with the ridiculously good yoghurt. 19:03 Brooke in Wellies. 19:04 nengard hey - i'm reading 'the art of community' and it talks about that ubuntu rules of community 19:04 nengard we need to use that 19:06 chris i like the debian social contract 19:06 chris http://www.debian.org/social_contract 19:06 larsw chris, I like it too! :) 19:06 nengard http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct 19:07 nengard combine the two :) 19:07 Brooke that sounds like a job for a bullshitter! 19:07 nengard i know one of those :) 19:07 larsw the Ubuntu CoC is nice, too 19:07 owen nengard: In my test 530u is linked in the OPAC MARC view 19:07 nengard of course it is .... 19:08 nengard cause none of my bugs are really bugs 19:08 chris yes the code of conduct is nice too 19:08 nengard :) 19:08 nengard owen - i'll have to retest later - testing sekjal's new devs right now 19:08 * owen thinks that's a good thing for nengard to be doing! 19:09 chris doing a koha code of conduct/social contract seems like a nice idea 19:09 chris whats the license on them i wonder 19:10 * chris goes to look 19:10 chris open publication license for the debian one afaict 19:10 druthb CC A-SA, for Ubuntu 19:12 * owen 's library just got a flier from http://www.bslw.com 19:13 owen Interesting because it says, "Maybe you're considering an open-source solution" 19:13 chris oh yeah? 19:14 chris they are offering to do migration? 19:14 chris that would be pretty cool 19:15 owen Apparently they do upgrading and enhancing of your existing catalog in preparation for a migration 19:15 owen And partner with someone else for actual migrations 19:15 owen Interesting business model 19:16 chris oh thats a useful thing 19:19 gmcharlt owen: any ILS, or just Evergreen? 19:20 owen gmcharlt: I poked around but couldn't find reference to any particular ILS 19:31 nengard ubuntu is creative commons license 19:31 nengard chris that comment was to you - just catching up 19:31 nengard yes 19:35 chris I reckon take the ideas write something that works for us 19:39 chris Brooke was getting there with the mission statement 19:46 nengard anyone know how to delete files from the wiki? I blocked two spammers, but their PDFs are still there: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles 19:46 chris I think we need gmcharlt for that 19:48 gmcharlt nengard: deleting them now 19:48 nengard thanks gmcharlt 19:48 gmcharlt when you select one of those files from Special:NewFiles, are you seeing the file history link? 19:50 nengard no it downloads the file automatically 19:50 nengard very bad 19:50 nengard for the PDfs that is 19:51 nengard with the images I see the page with the history 19:53 gmcharlt odd - doesn't do that to me 19:53 * gmcharlt shrugs 20:14 cait hi #koha 20:15 magnus_a hiya cait 20:15 cait hi magnus 20:15 chris Hi cait 20:16 cait hi chris 20:16 cait hope you had great christmas holidays :) 20:19 nengard owen thanks for marking that a dup - i searched forever and couldn't find that darn bug 20:19 nengard is it not categories in virtual shelves? 20:20 owen Apparently not: OPAC instead. 20:20 owen Tricky. 20:20 owen I knew right away it was a dupe because I'm working on a fix for it 20:20 nengard i knew you were! I just couldn't find the darn thing 20:20 nengard and i searched by 'lists' but you get a ton of bugs 20:21 owen Yeah, sometimes finding the right bug is a pain even though you know it's there 20:23 owen Actually my fix for 3523 is pretty close, but it has the same problem as Bug 5529 and I don't know how to fix it 20:23 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none 20:25 * owen was hoping someone smarter than him would find bug 5529 a simple one 20:27 chris cait: still on holiday until the 5th 20:29 chris Hmm I can try to look at that owen 20:29 owen Thanks chris, I'd appreciate it 20:31 cait chris: 6th :) 20:31 chris Heh one more day than me :) 20:34 nengard no holiday in the US 20:34 owen In the US we're lucky if we get an extra day off because Christmas was on a Saturday. 20:34 nengard unless you have vaca time 20:34 nengard or work for a school 20:34 cait 6th is a holiday here - so back at work on friday 20:35 chris we get xmas, and boxing day, then 1st and 2nd 20:35 chris But because they fall on the weekend we get 20:35 chris 27, 28, and 3 4 20:35 cait 24th and 31th because because I work for the state, 25th, 26th and 1st are holidays 20:36 chris So I took 3 days off and had from the 24th to the 5th as holiday 20:36 cait we don't get something when they wall on the weekend 20:36 cait bad luck this year 20:36 cait wall = fall 20:36 nengard hey chris - bengard thought it was cute that Kahu calls oatmeal porridge (spell) 20:38 chris Doesn't everyone ? :) 20:39 owen I should start calling oatmeal American porridge to my kids 20:40 chris :) 20:40 nengard can anyone else confirm for me that 'allowreneallimitoverride' is being ignored in head? 20:41 nengard i have an item that is not renewable and that pref set to 'allow' 20:41 nengard but i can't renew 20:41 nengard don't want to report the bug if no one else can recreate - i found it on two installs of HEAD though 20:42 cait nengard: the override checkbox is not showing up? 20:43 nengard cait - oh my goodness ... yes it is :) 20:43 nengard don't know why i thought it was in a different place 20:43 chris Lol 20:43 nengard thank you :) 20:43 nengard my brain is so tired 20:43 owen I think the bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way 20:44 nengard that i did have happen to me ... and i agree 20:44 owen If 'allowreneallimitoverride' is set, it ought to ask you to confirm that you want to override the limit 20:44 nengard yup 20:44 cait nengard: I can understand that - stayed up until 6am 2 days in a row now 20:44 cait feeling... strange 20:44 nengard ick 20:44 owen Another example of how scanning operations differ from the bulk operations you can perform from the list of checkouts. 20:45 chris Cait parties hard 20:45 chris owen: yeah a bug for synchronising those would be good 20:47 cait not really 20:48 cait first I was not able to stop reading and yesterday I played par tof the night shift of our 24h tichu tournament 20:48 cait tichu is a card game 20:48 cait :) 20:48 cait but I gave up before breakfast - no luck 20:49 * nengard doesn't want to even stay up for new years - want to go to bed nice and early 20:49 nengard bengard says i can't :( 20:50 chris Ill be asleep by 11 20:50 chris Haven't stayed up in years 20:51 cait I am invited to a friends - they will make me stay up 20:51 * owen figures he'll stay up late again when his kids get old enough to be allowed to 20:53 chris Yeah 20:54 rhcl <speaking as a non-librarian> Can we do this in Koha? Will my Tech Services manager know what to do? 20:54 rhcl http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4465?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+web2learning/YOVk+%28What+I+Learned+Today...%29 20:57 chris We can and I have 20:57 nengard hey that's my site :) 20:57 nengard and if your tech services person does imports of records then she'll have no prob with this 20:58 nengard except i guess that she has to use marcedit to edit the item records (if you have item records) 20:59 chris There are no items with those 20:59 rhcl OK, lemme see if I can stir the pot here... 20:59 chris You can just import them straight in 21:01 nengard awesome 21:01 nengard i want to get a fresh install of koha before i play with it 21:01 nengard i'm gonna then use my fresh install to catalog my home library 21:02 nengard my current install is full of junk data 21:03 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=42375 21:03 chris heres one i prepared earlier 21:05 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=42376 21:05 chris etc 21:07 chris took about 10 mins, to download the file load it in 21:09 chris very cool idea 21:09 chris the other cool idea 21:09 chris is 21:10 chris http://amazon.libcat.org/cgi-bin/azorder.pl 21:10 chris will create you a marc record, from an amazon record 21:11 rhcl I really like this idea... 21:11 chris i must ask the guy if the code is gpl'd 21:11 chris if so we could add it to koha 21:11 nengard chris that is cool - we just need to be able to do it in batches 21:11 nengard and yes add to koha!!! 21:12 chris ill email the guy and ask 21:13 nengard k - time to log out and lay down a bit 21:13 nengard talk to you all later 21:15 chris done 21:16 chris we'll see what he says 21:19 chris drotsk my man 21:19 drotsk hi chris 21:20 drotsk and hi #koha 21:20 magnus_a hi drotsk 21:20 chris your lovely wife still off pedicuring herself? 21:22 drotsk she's been out of town the last couple days, visiting friends from university 21:22 chris ahhh 21:22 drotsk should be home this evening however 21:22 chris cool 21:28 magnus_a jcam - man in black? 21:28 jcam_mib No, jcamins demonstrating mibbit. 21:28 chris hmm i know i shouldnt let this annoy me 21:28 chris but it does 21:28 * jcam_mib is going now, though. 21:29 chris https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1012&L=NGC4LIB&T=0&F=&S=&P=99306 21:29 * chris decides not to reply 21:29 cait heh 21:32 chris OMG 21:32 chris the collosal irony of this 21:32 chris http://twitter.com/sabram/status/20216529954017280 21:33 chris coming from the man who authored the whitepaper that equates open source with helping terrorists i find that utterly priceless 21:35 chris and i think he actually tried to justify that whitepaper by saying he was playing devils advocate, or words to that affect if he hadnt tried to rewrite history by deleting the posts about it from his blog, id go find it and tweet it 21:48 magnus_a g'night #koha 22:04 chris heya darling 22:04 ibot i think darling is a little nervous around bots. 22:13 robin ibot: I think you are right. 22:13 ibot ...but ibot is a clever being... 22:13 * druthb pulls out her slingshot and watches ibot suspiciously. 22:21 darling hi everybody 22:21 darling just had to get the coffee working 22:22 druthb :) Hi, darling. 22:22 darling then I got distracted by something 22:22 darling hi druthb ! 23:18 cait good night all 23:18 druthb g'night, cait! :) 23:32 robin I think it's time the shelf browser code got its own module so that we don't have SQL statements in the display generation code. 23:32 druthb robin++ 23:34 chris thats a patch id accept 23:35 robin and a good thing to get into while the office is like the Mary Celeste 23:35 chris yup