Time Nick Message
00:56 Brooke hey ronald
00:57 ronald hiya Brooke
00:59 Brooke how's it?
00:59 Brooke 0/ drotsk
00:59 drotsk hi there
00:59 drotsk how is #koha
01:00 drotsk hi jransom
01:03 Brooke 0/
01:24 Brooke hi russ
01:34 russ heya brooke
01:36 Brooke how's it?
01:37 russ taking it easy
01:37 * russ has started holidays already
01:37 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/reports.cgi?product=Koha&datasets=UNCONFIRMED&datasets=NEW&datasets=ASSIGNED&datasets=REOPENED&datasets=RESOLVED&datasets=CLOSED
01:38 chris that work for you guys
01:38 chris ?
01:39 chris may is when we went live on new bugzilla (hence the big jump)
01:42 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5522 - allow google preview to open in a new window <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37758541580ea85a68f23382f36a71375adc75a7>
01:44 hudsonbot Starting build 238 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 14 days ago)
02:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #238: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/238/
02:07 hudsonbot Robin Sheat: Bug 5522 - allow google preview to open in a new window
02:42 Brooke /me waves to jransom
02:44 * jcamins_a waves to Brooke and jransom
02:44 Brooke hooray
02:44 Brooke wb
02:44 Brooke why yes, Jared, the Bears are in fact crushing the Vikings. ;)
02:45 jcamins Errr... go team!
02:46 jcamins (football? American football? baseball? basketball?)
02:46 Brooke you should feel sorry for my neighbours. I sing the fight song when they score.
02:46 * Brooke shudders.
02:46 Brooke American Football.
03:06 jcamins Isn't there a test branch that has been converted to Template Toolkit somewhere?
03:07 jcamins Ah, found it.
03:08 chris theres a few
03:08 chris did you find the wiki page?
03:08 chris http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/template_test
03:09 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template_toolkit_test
03:09 jcamins Apparently I did not find it.
03:09 jcamins Thanks.
03:11 jcamins Okay, so that's based on Koha master from 9 November, right?
03:18 chris yep, just after 3.2.0
03:19 chris once we get the last few little issues ironed out, will rebase it up
03:25 jcamins Any idea when you're expecting that to be?
03:26 chris not until the new year sometime
03:26 chris its only the template_dashfix branch that will move forward
03:26 chris the template_test one is purely that
03:27 jcamins So should I be using template_dashfix now?
03:28 chris what are you attempting to do?
03:28 chris test the templates? then template_test
03:28 jcamins See what happens when I integrate my TT-based addbiblio-simple with Output.pm
03:28 jcamins Or, at least, that's what I'd like to do.
03:30 chris ahh easiest way to do that
03:31 chris checkout template_test
03:31 chris merge in master from koha-community
03:31 chris then cherry-pick or merge your changes in
03:31 jcamins Ah. Got it.
03:36 jcamins Do you really have to cherry-pick one commit at a time?
03:37 chris if you want to cherry-pick you do
03:37 chris or you could just merge the branch
03:40 Brooke hi amit
03:41 Amit heya Brooke
03:41 jcamins I'll go with option C, thank you. Format-patch for the range, then just apply all the patches.
03:41 jcamins I know how to do that.
03:41 jcamins And at 10:45pm, I'm not sure I want to learn how to do the other.
03:42 Brooke live a little ;)
03:43 chris well you have to learn how to merge, to merge master in :)
03:43 jcamins At 10:45?
03:43 chris git checkout -b my_template_test catalyst/template_test
03:43 jcamins Yep. Did that.
03:43 chris git merge koha-community/master
03:44 jcamins That's where it told me that there were 245 files, and deleted everything.
03:44 jcamins However, my changes were developed on 3.2.0, so I'm just going to try it with the database behind for now.
03:44 chris righto
03:52 Brooke hi kmkale
03:52 kmkale hi Brooke
03:52 kmkale good morning #koha
03:54 jcamins Well, it doesn't fail spectacularly.
03:55 jcamins So I think I'll get some sleep.
03:55 jcamins Good night, #koha.
03:59 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Beginning of Release Notes for 3.02.02.000 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b095a3600fdc970a990ca88fedc3e66d8aacf0> / Bug 2965: Follow up - fixing problem with barcode field <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=51e1da1224cf96e25a6b622e38084a61bcd8e75e> / Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91161f19
03:59 hudsonbot Starting build 61 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 14 days ago)
04:22 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #61: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/61/
04:22 hudsonbot * Jesse Weaver: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10
04:22 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 2965: Follow up - fixing problem with barcode field
04:22 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Beginning of Release Notes for 3.02.02.000
04:33 Brooke hey pianohack
04:33 ibot pianohack are you still here
04:34 pianohack Hola again
04:34 pianohack ibot: No, pianohack is pianohacker
04:34 ibot OK, pianohack.
04:36 druthb ibot: pianohack?
04:36 ibot pianohack is pianohacker
04:36 pianohack Yay!
04:36 druthb lol
04:36 pianohack How's it going, druthb?
04:36 druthb @quote search piano
04:36 munin druthb: 9 found: #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source...", #18: "<pianohacker> nitpicking synergy FTW", #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs...", #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be...", #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book", #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front...", #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you", #82: "<pianohack> (1 more message)
04:36 druthb @more
04:36 munin druthb: nengard: If you were using a...", and #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method..."
04:37 druthb Going well! Busy as heck with my new gig, and loving every moment of it.
04:37 druthb @quote get 30
04:37 munin druthb: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
04:38 pianohack Those quotes shortened _and_ out of context paint me in quite the strange light :)
04:38 druthb you should see what it does for wizzy.
04:39 pianohack @quote search wizzy
04:39 munin pianohack: 14 found: #105: "* wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not*...", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!", #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me", #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each...", #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the...", #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's", #52: (1 more message)
04:39 pianohack And now I want some bacon
04:39 druthb @more pianohack
04:39 munin druthb: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers", #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical...", #65: "<wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it...", #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query...", #83: "<wizzyrea> you can watch the sunrise around the...", #87: "<wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is you...", and #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to..."
04:40 pianohack That hoity-toity jquery pizza goes to your thighs, I'll tell you what
04:43 * druthb noted in searches that both jdavidb and druthb are quoted as saying "Harrrumph!"
04:43 pianohack Some things never change
04:43 druthb :D
04:43 druthb I'm still a curmudgeon, yes, but I'm a much happier curmudgeon than before.
04:44 druthb @quote search jwagner
04:44 munin druthb: 7 found: #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug", #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty...", #51: "jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a...", #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over...", #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish...", #64: "<jwagner> Depends on whether you're trying to...", and #75: "<jwagner> They do get over it though. Starting..."
04:44 pianohack Good :)
04:44 pianohack Bahahaha
04:44 druthb @quote get 63
04:44 munin druthb: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010)
05:07 Brooke roflmao
05:10 * druthb wonders idly what Brooke is doing up this late.
05:10 Brooke waiting for the lunar eclipse *mom*.
05:14 druthb lol
05:24 pianohack Brooke: Enjoy it for me, I must be asleep
05:24 Brooke aww
05:24 Brooke night
05:25 druthb I'm gonna head for the bed, too. :)
05:26 * Brooke wishes she were at Newgrange about now...
05:26 Brooke aww.
05:26 Brooke tossers, the lot of ye.
05:26 Brooke night
05:26 druthb Cait should be along to start the morning shift soon...tell her hello for me, Brooke?
05:27 Brooke erm if I'm not oogling celestial bodies, sure.
05:27 druthb heheh...see ya soon!
05:33 pianohack Time to start heading towards bed. Night, Brooke :)
05:33 Brooke Good night :)
05:37 eter are system prefs such as OPACUserCSS stored in the database?
05:42 eter just want o make sure so in the event of a system migration all we need is the databse and koha and no need to hunt around remembering what options were set/customized
05:42 Brooke mmm
05:42 Brooke not sure, but I bet a series of screenshots wouldn't hurt as an extra precaution, too.
05:54 chris Yes they are
05:54 Brooke where are they stored?
05:57 eter ok great thx
06:01 * Brooke waves to rachel
06:02 * Brooke waves to Cait.
06:02 Brooke Ruth says hi.
06:02 cait hi Brooke
06:02 cait she still awake?
06:02 Brooke >.>
06:02 Brooke no...
06:03 cait hm?
06:17 cait why are you still awake Brooke?
06:18 Brooke Waiting for the eclipse.
06:18 cait you know... this is no 24h ob
06:18 cait ah
06:18 * Brooke considers changing her nick to Gunther to avoid suspicion late at night
06:34 * chris_n wishes the clouds would go elsewhere atm
06:38 * cait wishes the script would show the same results in koha as in mysql
06:38 chris @later tell brooke the systempreferences table
06:38 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
06:43 cait hi chris
06:43 chris Hi cait
06:43 cait seems the query is right now... but the script does things for display and not all results are shown
06:43 cait *sighs*
06:44 chris Heh
06:44 chris_n http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8724/201012eclipse001.jpg
06:45 chris_n penumbra is just starting to show up
06:45 chris_n in the upper left of the pic
06:45 cait penumbra?
06:45 ibot penumbra is just starting to show up
06:45 chris_n the lighter part of the earth's shadow
06:46 cait thx
06:46 chris_n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse
06:48 chris_n fwiw, these shots are taken through my homebrew 1143 mm telescope
06:49 chris_n http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8166/201012eclipse00101.jpg
06:51 cait chris_n++
06:53 chris_n ibot: penumbra is the lighter part of the earth's shadow
06:53 ibot ...but penumbra is just starting to show up...
06:53 chris_n ibot: forget penumbra
06:53 ibot chris_n: I forgot penumbra
06:53 chris_n ibot: penumbra is the lighter part of the earth's shadow
06:53 ibot OK, chris_n.
06:53 chris_n penumbra?
06:53 ibot somebody said penumbra was the lighter part of the earth's shadow
06:53 chris_n ibot: botsnack
06:53 ibot thanks chris_n :)
06:55 cait is there any reason to use like instead of = in a sql query if I only check for untruncated values?
06:57 chris_n not if by untruncated you mean exact/specific values
06:57 cait yes, categorycodes
06:57 cait branchcodes, such things
06:57 chris_n no reason that I know of
06:57 cait i wondered why the script does like instad of =
06:58 * chris_n scratches his head
06:59 chris_n maybe it is vestigial
06:59 chris_n ie. left over from a past version which supplied less specific values to search on
07:00 * chris_n goes to catch a few winks before the next photo shoot
07:01 cait chris_n: thx
07:02 cait this script makes some assumptions that seem not right to me - like depending only on old_issues to get the category codes...
07:02 cait more investigation needed
07:10 cait yay
07:10 cait 47 borrowers in a table :)
07:22 cait oh, getting late!
07:40 magnus happy winter/summer solstice, #koha!
07:45 chris hi magnus
07:46 magnus kia ora, chris!
07:46 cait hi magnus
07:46 cait and bye!
07:54 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5106' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1c6cbbb77cec347f5a4a83ba140df0473114cc7> / Bug 5106: Tidy up code in opac-showmarc.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17291775876e56f3de190af4fb6e3442396d03d8> / Proposed fix for Bug 5106 - Simplify MARC view choices in the OPAC (Conflict marker... <http://git.koha-communi
07:55 francharb hi all
07:59 hudsonbot Starting build 239 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 14 days ago)
07:59 chris hi francharb
08:00 magnus still unstable?
08:00 magnus hiya francharb
08:01 chris_n slightly out of focus, but near full eclipse: http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7192/201012eclipse00102.jpg
08:03 magnus chris_n: cool!
08:03 chris_n well, its too cloudy to do any more shots
08:04 magnus we have too much cloud to see anything...
08:04 chris_n too bad considering its been ~456 years since this has happened
08:05 * chris_n probably won't be around for the next such event ;-)
08:05 chris_n g'night
08:05 chris unless i can finish create_more_time.pl
08:05 chris night
08:05 chris_n hehe
08:14 magnus create_more_time.pl sounds like a good thing!
08:14 ivanc hi #koha
08:14 ivanc hi magnus
08:14 magnus g'day ivanc
08:16 hdl hi all
08:17 ivanc hi hdl
08:18 chris hi ivanc and hdl
08:18 ivanc hi chris
08:22 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #239: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/239/
08:22 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 5035 remove default opaccolorstylesheet value for new installs
08:22 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Proposed fix for Bug 5106 - Simplify MARC view choices in the OPAC (Conflict marker fix 2nd try)
08:22 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5106: Tidy up code in opac-showmarc.pl
08:24 chris hdl: new/enh/bug_5530
08:25 hdl chris for test and try sign-off ?
08:25 chris its been signed-off by frederic
08:25 hdl a pity one cannot sign off a branch ;)
08:26 chris i have fixed one remaining link to systempreferences
08:26 chris so i just need someone to test it works now ive rebased it on master
08:26 chris and if its ok, ill merge it
08:26 hdl I will test that.
08:26 chris thanks
08:26 hdl And will send you a message
08:27 chris thanks
08:37 kf good morning #koha
08:41 magnus hiya kf!
08:44 hudsonbot Starting build 240 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 14 days ago)
08:44 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5489' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=435e8996a305eef939f7b5cd369577d43ce4d795> / Bug 5489: Send hold email to branch email address if it exists instead of koha email... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=21cae2609d12075f685f51b66a5821eb41d30c97>
09:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #240: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/240/
09:07 hudsonbot Amit Gupta: Bug 5489: Send hold email to branch email address if it exists instead of koha email address
09:08 Amit heya hudsonbot
09:33 kf hi Amit
09:33 Amit heya kf
09:44 kf chris: still around?
09:47 kf bug 5477 duplicate to bug 5531?
09:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5477 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Test cases requiring database access fail
09:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5531 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Missing sysprefs in language specific files
09:48 kf typo. bug 5474
09:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5474 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
10:03 chris ive made it depend on 5531
10:04 chris as ive pushed some patches for that now
10:05 chris but 5474 has stuff about the .pref file too, so is bigger scope
10:05 kf ok
10:06 chris http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ next build that should drop to 7 fails
10:06 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5331, fixing Italian sysprefs.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2814b535e6672e972d954e823f611378393f624b> / Bug 5531: Fixing german sysprefs file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e20895a9a783eca7a1b8892da291dceac90a6f85>
10:06 kf I still have to write one patch for kmkale's new option
10:06 kf I think the test does not see the problem
10:06 kf there were also some reports about missing prefs int he .pref files - do the tests cover that?
10:06 chris nope
10:07 kf I think it was homeorholdingbranchreturn
10:07 chris right, thats on 5474
10:07 chris 5531 is just for the .sql files
10:08 kf ok
10:08 chris making a test that tests the .pref files too would be good
10:08 kf chris_n had a branch for 3.2.x I think
10:08 chris but for now, i just want hudson to stop whining at me
10:08 kf fixing most things in the sql files and updating the database with those missing prefs
10:08 kf understandable :)
10:09 chris if you get bored http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/(root)/xt_syspref_t/Sysprefs_to_add_in_fr_FR_1_Obligatoire_unimarc_standard_systemprefs_sql__displaymultiplacehold__finescalendar__ils_di_authorizedips__opacmaintenance__opacsearchfortitlein__patronsperpage__previousissuesdefaultsortorder__todaysissuesdefaultsortorder__usetablesortforcirc/
10:09 chris the french file is missing a lot :)
10:10 chris i just cut and paste from the english one, they dont need to be translated, just in there :)
10:10 chris but now, i should sleep
10:11 magnus good night, chris
10:12 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
10:12 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (10:50 AM CET on December 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
10:13 kf good night chris
10:13 kf chris: didn't work on it because chris_n did - will try to talk to him later
10:14 hudsonbot Starting build 241 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 14 days ago)
10:31 Oak \o/
10:32 kf ouch
10:32 kf I can't search with more than one search term in our icu installation :(
10:35 magnus multiple search terms - who needs 'em?
10:36 kf grr ;)
10:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #241: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/241/
10:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5531: Fixing german sysprefs file
10:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5331, fixing Italian sysprefs.sql
10:52 hdl kf: ? should be an icu.xml problem...
10:52 hdl kf: have you done any edits on that ?
10:53 hdl kf: or have you updated your koha code ?
11:22 kf hdl: here
11:22 kf sorry, was at lunch
11:23 kf hdl: we have updated koha and coworker reactivated icu using our existing files
11:23 kf hdl: we are using them in 3.01.61 successfully
11:23 kf no problems
11:23 kf hdl: there was a mail on the mailing list too
11:23 kf on [koha] 18.12.
11:30 hdl kf will try and see if i can find anything
11:30 kf hdl: that would be nice
11:30 kf hdl: let me know if I can do someting
11:31 kf hdl: I will turn off the system preferences for search and check if it changes something
11:33 kf hdl: turned them all off and now I can't search at all - weird
11:39 kf hdl: the advanced search works - I can search for 2 kw using 2 search fields with boolean and
12:01 * druthb waves.
12:31 hdl kf: mmm looks like a problem similar to what chris raised for and.
12:32 hdl kf: have you done any test without icu ?
12:43 kf our non-icu installations work fine
12:46 kf we updated 2 of our installations to 3.2.1 - one with icu and one without, both from 3.01.0.61
12:47 hdl And it breaks only because of icu ?
12:48 kf it seems so
12:49 hdl kf : http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-biblibre.git;a=commit;h=34b4ac9ddc34430f43520c12d3cb206d18c4be62
12:49 hdl Maybe you should try and use this commit.
12:49 hdl It fixes icuchain...
12:49 hdl It seems that there was a misconfiguration
12:50 hdl kf: Lyon3 university iirc had the same issue and this edit fixed that for them.
12:51 hdl kf: so could be worth a try.
12:51 kf I will send it to my coworker - will get back to you i
12:51 hdl keep me tuned.
12:51 kf but I wonder why the file worked in our former installation?
12:51 kf something else must have changed too?
12:52 hdl git log -- C4/Search.pm etc/zebradb
12:52 hdl would tell you.
12:52 hdl you can even be more accurate :
12:54 hdl git log commitid..HEAD -- C4/Search.pm etc/zebradb
12:56 kf I don't have command line access to this server - so can't try right now, but will get back to you
13:08 owen pianohack++ # for command line sys prefs work
13:11 druthb Hi, owen! :)
13:11 owen Hi
13:13 kmkale hi all
13:13 hdl owen: what are you referring to ?
13:13 owen hdl: I was reading the IRC log
13:13 owen pianohacker is working on a command-line tool for setting system preferences
13:14 druthb hi, kmkale! :)
13:14 hdl hi kmkale
13:19 owen Hi thd
13:21 thd hdl: In the wiki page for your Solr/Lucene RFC, I moved your comment about Solr/Lucene supporting metasearch to a qualified advantage of Solr/Lucene and added a matching disadvantage for the limitiation.
13:21 thd hello owen
13:21 kf hdl: and thx :)
13:22 thd hdl: Please let me know if I have it wrong and Solr/Lucene metasearch support includes databases other than Solr/Lucene.
13:24 thd hdl: I had not created a Solr/Lucene section as a metasearch option because I presumed that supporting Z39.50/SRU metasearch would be a minimal requirement.
13:24 hdl thd: no you are not... But since many tools do have solr support (alfresco, Dspace, and others....) Then it would be rather an advantage
13:25 thd hdl: So Solr/Lucene does support metasearch of Z39.50/SRU targets?
13:25 hdl No. Not to my knowledge.
13:26 hdl thd: sincerely, i donot have any opinion on the fact that we should have z3950 metasearch as a minimal requirement..
13:26 thd hdl: It is not a requirement for local indexing as I clarified.
13:26 hdl imho, any metasearch tool prooved quite hard to maintain and support.
13:27 hdl libraryfind, masterkey and so on.
13:27 thd hdl: Metasearch is difficult but one of my main interests.
13:27 hdl z3950 metasearch has to be carefully done and setup... since many profiles are different.
13:28 thd hdl: We could use Pazpar2 for metasearch and Solr/Lucene for local record indexing which I clarified on the wiki.
13:28 hdl thd: as far as i know very little libraries asked for that.
13:28 hdl understand very few
13:29 thd hdl: Many academic libraries use it and I know that some LibLime customers used it but separately from Koha.
13:30 kf hdl: I think a lot of people go away from their opacs in favor of metasearch portals here
13:30 thd hdl: The big development in metasearch from most major providers of metasearch currently is integrating metasearch with the OPAC.
13:30 kf it would be nice to have that option in koha - so you don't need a separate software
13:31 hdl pazpar2 would have been an option... but would have required a serious work on z3950 servers in koha in order to have mappings to ccl... And even then, I donot think that pazpar2 configuration could be updated with database.
13:31 thd kf: That option currently exists in Koha.
13:31 hdl thd: but i would not advise a library to use it in production
13:32 thd hdl: The report which I added to the BibLibre RFC explains that Torus is an Index Data product which adds database support with a non-free license.
13:33 hdl yes... But it is not open-source
13:33 thd hdl: JZKit has database support with an AGPL 3 license.
13:34 thd hdl: It is open source but not free software which is why the distinction is important but still not a prefered solution.
13:34 kf thd: I think it's not widely used at the moment and has some smaller problems
13:35 thd hdl: In any case neither JZKit nor Torus would necessarily have an impact on the license for Koha as separate programs using a standard communication protocol and no tight integration.
13:35 thd kf: Which it are you identifying?
13:36 kf thd: talking about pazpar2 - I remember chris did some work on it. I always wanted to test it out, but have not found time yet :(
13:37 thd kf: I have tested it and found it to work well for what it does.
13:37 kf that's good to know then.
13:39 thd kf: My biggest concern about Pazpar2 for metasearch is that it CCL based which is less expressive than PQF or Solr/Lucene query syntax.
13:42 thd hdl: As I explained in my report in the Solr/Lucene RFC, JZKit may not be a serious metasearch option for Koha because of lack of Perl bindings to Java based JZKit. I speculated about the possibility of sending client queries to JZKit using YAZ. I never had a response from Ian Ibbotson about the issue.
13:42 * druthb did a rough, non-scientific analysis at one of her previous libraries, and found that exactly zero patrons used the very-advanced search capabilities in their ILS. Only a very small number used the fill-in advanced search form. Only a cataloger actually ever entered a direct-tag query.
13:43 thd druthb: I have great scepticism of the value of log analysis for features which are not well implemented in the first place.
13:43 * druthb quit worrying about how well the direct-tag query was working after that.
13:44 druthb "If you build it, they will come," thd?
13:44 thd druthb: Exactly.
13:45 druthb In my twenty years in IT, I've not often found that to be the case--and when it has been, it's always been because the feature was dang-near idiot-easy to learn. None of (CCL|PQL|Solr Syntax) are easy to learn.
13:45 thd druthb: Advanced search needs to do more to really help the user and not be a hidden feature requiring extra page links to find.
13:46 thd druthb: I do not mean user typing queries directly into a blank search box.
13:46 druthb Sure, thd, I agree. But if they're not learnable by an illiterate toothless-tiger at Podunk PL, it won't get used terribly much.
13:47 thd druthb: Users should never need to learn any query language.
13:47 druthb I concur. You're going to have to wrap *something* around a blank search box, though, to get from point A to point B.
13:49 thd druthb: The user interface should do much more to guide the user to forming a successful query by having forms which use more selection from lists of options and less free typing.
13:49 thd druthb: most users may still prefer to type a couple of key words into a blank search box and hope for the best.
13:50 owen As they should
13:50 druthb When we were on DRA Classic, we could barely get users to do "t=" ; they just wanted to type a title. Likewise, when we gave 'em a pulldown on Unicorn, they darn-near-never used it, unless the title was too-common a word.
13:50 druthb Mostly, they just want to throw words at it.
13:51 thd druthb: I am interested in development supporting queries which simply do not work well enough at finding what the user is seeking without guidance at building a more sophisticated queries using forms, links, etc.
13:52 * druthb nods.
13:52 thd owen: Most users may be satisfied with whatever comes up from any query they devise.
13:52 druthb I agree...the "advanced" tools should be as simple as they can be made. I've seen some that only a cataloger would love.
13:53 druthb (not disparaging catalogers--they just need different things in a search tool than most of the rest of humanity, to do what they do for a living.)
13:54 thd owen: I am concerned about serious researches in large academic libraries who are never going to learn LCSH or anything else which may help them. The user interface has to help them in ways which very few user interfaces except for some specialised database interfaces do now.
13:54 kf druthb: but we need a solution that works for both :)
13:54 druthb correct, kf. :)
13:55 thd kf: The default in an advanced search form could be keyword matches all which does not hurt the simplest users.
13:56 druthb From a vendor perspective, making the catalogers happy is frequently important, as such folks are influential in the decision to use a given system. But on a university campus with, say, 7,000 students, faculty, and staff, maybe....two? are likely to be catalogers.
13:56 thd kf: However, I still favour an isolated search box at top to serve the simplest users without scaring them with more options.
13:57 thd Forms should also be dynamic and expandable to hide the scariest options unless following a link to extra-scary very precise super advanced search form.
13:59 druthb thd++
13:59 kf thd: I agree - especially for the opac. Those very advanced search options are probably only needed in the intranet / staff interface.
14:00 thd kf: No user should be deprived of the opportunity to use the most sophisticated features if they may help him.
14:00 owen Not least because the staff uses the OPAC too
14:00 thd kf: I would not exclude capabilities from the OPAC except for supporting queries designed to thrash databases.
14:01 thd kf: Simple thrashing avoiding defaults should suffice to avoid database thrashing.
14:02 druthb In Symphony, it's perfectly legal in the OPAC to enter "gold{TI} and Oke{AU} and Minneapolis{260}" which is ludicrous; I never caught a patron doing that.
14:04 thd druthb: Have you caught patrons using ti = gold AND au = Oke AND pubplace = Minneapolis ?
14:05 druthb not when I've been looking, no, other than in BI classes at that particular university. Once in a great while they'd use an advanced search form which looked a bit like Koha's, but that was as far as any of 'em got.
14:06 thd druthb: there once was a time not very long ago when all libraries were using telnet and all queries had to be something like CCL or they would fail.
14:07 druthb oh, I remember; I was on a DRA system for years.
14:07 thd druthb: DRA?
14:07 druthb They had little instruction sheets taped up on all the VT320 monitors.
14:07 druthb Yep. circa 1992-1997, it was using dumb terminals. They got bought by Sirsi in 2001.
14:09 * druthb is an oldie moldy.
14:12 thd druthb: I grew up on telnet based MELVYL from high school and after. I considered it an extraordinary advantage over the card catalogue mostly because I could search the whole state instead of merely the local University of California library at which I was located.
14:12 owen Oh yeah, well I searched my library catalog by carrier pigeon. The book arrived eight weeks later by pony express.
14:12 * druthb misses the telnet-based systems occasionally, but not for long.
14:13 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:13 druthb My first job out of college was running a DRA telnet-based system. I got almost all the way through college on the paper catalog.
14:13 thd owen: My interlibrary loans for scarce academic material take me at least as long to procure.
14:14 magnus hiya jcamins
14:14 jcamins I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by.
14:15 jcamins Kind of like Emacs.
14:15 jcamins Did I miss anything exciting?
14:15 druthb @quote add <jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by.
14:15 munin druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #113 added.
14:16 thd owen: In New York City, I most usually only have to use interlibrary loan for material which is only held by somewhere between 1 and 15 libraries in the US.
14:19 thd owen: Access to great libraries where I would not need to use interlibrary loan was most of the reason I moved to the most expensive place in the US 23 years ago.
14:22 druthb that was odd...open one totally-unrelated app, and firefox and chatzilla fall over. fascinating.
14:24 thd druthb: and you are not using MS Windows?
14:25 druthb I'm on Windows 7, at the moment.
14:26 thd druthb: You ask for such problems even in MS Windows 7.
14:27 druthb Oh, sure, along with a closed API, really, really lousy support, and too many decisions being made for me about what I want. It works with this hardware, though, and I've not had time to monkey with switching over. (New hardware came with it.)
14:29 kmkale bye all good night
14:30 thd hdl: I have it on the hardware I bought to continue to function after I broke the screen on the laptop I had been using. However, everything involved in ensuring my new configuration was well implemented took me at least 3 weeks.
14:30 thd s/hdl/druthb/
14:31 thd druthb: My replacement screen arrived by the time I had my new system configured.
14:31 druthb thd: yah, it takes a little poking and prodding to get things set up where they work for my workflow, but once I got it like I want it, I'm kinda loathe to tinker much.
14:32 thd druthb: Memory leaks in gparted were my real downfall adding at least two weeks to the process.
14:34 * druthb is fundamentally lazy. "If it ain't broke, it don't need fixing" is right up there with "be excellent to each other" in her list of commandments.
14:35 thd druthb: I tend to perceive everything as broken which is not flexible enough to work however I would wish it to work :)
14:36 * thd is fundamentally destined for losing much sleep perfecting things.
14:37 druthb Ah. Where I don't worry too much about the perfection of the tool, as long as the final outcome is good; the tool itself is rarely an outcome.
14:38 * druthb occasionally uses the handle of a screwdriver as a hammer, as a result, if it'll get that tack driven well enough.
15:42 kf hdl: looks good! we will try to merge our changes in next and I will play with the search sys prefs a little. But the normal searches with more than one search term work now!
15:53 hdl kf thanks for report
15:54 hdl kf: feel free to add sign off on the patch you used.
15:54 hdl or send yours.
16:08 kf hdl: I think we will try to find out which change it was
16:08 kf hdl: we did some things to umlaut indexing we want to add back - but you have some additional rules
16:09 kf hdl: Colin wrote it works in HEAD - perhaps we should test that too
16:38 owen Hi mib_o54cw
16:39 mib_o54cw Good morning
16:39 mib_o54cw I need to get a list of users and loans, as I do or what are the tables in the database that I review
16:42 Brooke TÄ“nÄ koutou
16:43 * Oak waves at Brooke
16:43 * Brooke winks at Oak.
16:44 Oak hehe
16:44 owen mib_o54cw: users are in the borrowers table
16:44 owen mib_o54cw: loans are in the issues table
17:00 * Brooke waves to bigbrovar
17:05 kf koha-community++
17:05 kf @karma koha-community
17:05 munin kf: Karma for "koha-community" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
17:05 kf @karma koha_community
17:05 munin kf: Karma for "koha_community" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
17:05 kf hm.
17:06 Brooke ibot: be druthb
17:06 ibot Harrumph!
17:06 * Brooke waves to Rachel
17:07 hdl kf I doubt he tested with an icu
17:08 kf hdl: yeah, but cant test your file on HEAD too :)
17:08 kf needed for a patch anyway
17:08 kf hdl++
17:56 kf bye all!
17:56 Oak bye kf
18:03 Brooke hi collum
18:04 collum hi Brooke
18:10 * ruth_mtg waves at Brooke as she runs from one meeting to another.
18:10 * Brooke smiles
18:23 chris Morning
18:23 jcamins Morning.
18:26 * Brooke salutes Chris with respect.
18:29 owen Hi chris
18:34 fredericd chris: Do you know why templates .po files contain a template files full path rather than a relative path?
18:35 chris No idea doesn't actually matter tho
18:36 chris As its always been that way
18:36 fredericd yes, it doesn't matter, you're correct, except that it modifies a lot insane modification which will polluate git history...
18:37 fredericd we really need to put .po files outside main koha code repository...
18:37 chris Yeah you could change the translate scripts
18:38 chris To make it relative if you wanted
18:38 chris There was a mailing list thread about that
18:40 chris Ill look when I get to work
18:40 chris I used to run a translation branch
18:40 chris And merge squash into master
18:41 chris I'm not sure its a big enough problem to worry about now, maybe post 3.4
18:42 chris When we have changed to TT
18:44 fredericd it's just that my repository is located in another place that yours was, and so a lot of comment lines are changed for nothing
18:44 chris But id be ok with having the po files in their own repo
18:45 chris Course that won't change the size of the main repo
18:46 chris but it might be able to set up pootle to commit direct to the repo
18:46 chris (Which I wouldn't want it to do to the main one)
18:46 chris So might be worth it for that
18:47 * chris will be back from the bus
18:49 * owen testing jQuery UI autocomplete
18:58 chris Back
19:00 chris Why did you want a sep repo fredericd, allowing pootle to commit to it would be my reason what's yours?
19:06 fredericd chris: Yes, version control with Pootle
19:06 fredericd and size
19:06 chris Size wouldn't change ... well it wouldn't go down, but would stop growing :)
19:07 chris Unless we try to rewrite the history to remove the .po files *shudder*
19:07 fredericd yes, stop size increasing due to .po files modifications
19:08 chris Cool in that case I have nothing against the idea
19:09 chris Need to make sure we update the package scripts and the make tarball ones
19:09 chris So that can still include them in a release (for now)
19:10 chris Let's revisit it in the new year
19:10 chris And work out a plan run it past everyone
19:11 fredericd I'd like templates translation to occur in web installer not before building tarball
19:11 chris If we can do it with little disruption I think no one will complain
19:11 fredericd this way tarball size will be minimal
19:11 fredericd a lot of testing...
19:11 ibot rumour has it a lot of testing is needed before we step into a new version :-D
19:11 chris yup for installing from tarball that makes sense
19:12 chris For the packages I want them built an in their own
19:12 chris apt-get install koha koha_l8n_fr_FR
19:13 chris Or something
19:13 chris - instead of _ for a start :)
19:14 chris But would mean easy to install or upgrade a translation
19:14 * francharb waving Brooke and everyone before leaving
19:14 Brooke 0/
19:15 francharb good day/night all
19:21 chris My stop bbiab
19:25 sylvar Say, if I used the MARC Export tool to dump the entire biblio database in XML format, where should I look for the biblionumber in an exported bib record?
19:25 cait hi #koha
19:25 Brooke hey kate
19:27 sylvar I hope that's not a trick question...
19:28 cait sylvar: koha? one of the 9xx fields
19:32 sylvar Hmm, I must be doing something wrong then, cait. I see a few different 9xx fields in the exported record containing the barcode I'm looking for, but nothing matching the biblionumber in that items row.
19:32 cait items are in 952
19:32 cait what do you want to do?
19:32 cait and marc21 or unimarc?
19:33 jwagner sylvar, in marc21 try the 999c
19:33 sylvar hmm
19:34 richard hi
19:43 chris back
19:45 richard wb chris
19:46 * sylvar has figured out an alternate solution, but thanks, y'all
19:48 chris heya pianohack
19:48 ibot pianohack is pianohacker
19:48 pianohack Hehe
19:48 owen Hi pianohack
19:49 pianohack Hello, owen and chris
19:49 owen pianohack: I passed off a bug on you today, don't know if you saw
19:49 pianohack Saw that
19:49 pianohack Remember working on the shelf browser though not changing the scroll arrow behavior, I'll take a look
19:49 owen Thanks
19:50 owen Hey, pianohack, I've got another thing I wanted to ask you about if you've got a minute
19:50 pianohack Sure, what's up?
19:50 owen When you were setting up the messaging system in the new prefs editor (where it pops up the "saved" message)
19:51 owen Did you ever look into passing the name of the saved prefs to the messages?
19:51 pianohack Hmm, no I didn't
19:51 chris oh, that would be handy
19:51 pianohack That would definitely be nice, though only up until about 6 changed prefs
19:51 chris *nod*
19:51 pianohack But most people change one or two at a time anyway, so that's no big deal
19:51 chris mostly people dont change much more than that
19:51 chris yeah
19:51 owen I thought it might be a neat idea, but I didn't want to start looking into it until I asked if you'd tried it
19:52 richard bummer - latest cod4lib journal has wrong link for koha download -> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/4438 - about 2/3 down the page
19:53 pianohack created as bug 5532 assigned to myself; feel free to steal it if you want
19:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5532 enhancement, P5, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED, "Saved" message for sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs
19:53 jcamins Let the editor know. They'll fix it.
19:54 owen Thanks pianohack.
19:54 pianohack jcamins has me on this bug-reporting thing
19:54 pianohack Now I know why we're up to 5532 already :)
19:55 chris jcamins: you have let the editor know ?
19:55 jcamins Not yet. I can if you'd like.
19:55 chris yes please
19:56 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Updated .po files for 3.2.2 inclusion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=002230d5382fa67f50488fe669388d38efc9bbb3>
19:56 druthb o/
19:56 chris hi druthb
19:57 pianohack Hello druthb
19:58 druthb hi, chris and pianohack!
19:58 chris hey hey what the...
19:58 pianohack He thinks he can escape that easily
19:58 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chris_Cormack
19:58 * chris shakes his fist at brooke
19:59 pianohack Hahaha
19:59 pianohack That is a really good photo
19:59 hudsonbot Starting build 62 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 14 days ago)
19:59 druthb heheheh
19:59 richard lol
20:00 * druthb is amused by the other person-pages on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:History
20:00 chris yah
20:01 jcamins Sent.
20:04 * jwagner is fresh out of functioning brain cells.
20:05 jwagner Can someone remind me which applies on notice triggers? Are they controlled by the _item_ library or the _patron_ library?
20:05 jwagner Or does it matter?
20:07 cait nice photo :)
20:10 chris what notices jwagner ... overdues?
20:11 jwagner yes -- the notice triggers
20:11 jwagner If I'm setting Branch A's triggers, does Branch A mean the item or the user?
20:13 pianohack the_website_is_down++ # Have to stop every few minutes to decide whether to laugh or cry
20:13 jcamins pianohack: what website?
20:14 pianohack http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/ # Web video series, thankfully. I don't have a website that is down myself :)
20:14 jcamins Ah.
20:14 pianohack I've done the frantic "JESSE, KOHA IS BROKEN" shuffle
20:14 pianohack allcaps very relevant
20:15 chris heh
20:15 chris jwagner: good question, id have to read the code to find out
20:15 chris its not in the manual is it?
20:16 jwagner not that I've found, I'll go look some more
20:17 jwagner The HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref says it controls checkout & fine rules -- wonder if it also controls notices?
20:18 chris hmm could be
20:20 jwagner foreach my $branchcode (@branches) .... SELECT biblio.*, items.*, issues.*, TO_DAYS(NOW())-TO_DAYS(date_due) AS days_overdue
20:20 jwagner That sounds like it's basing on items, doesn't it?
20:21 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #62: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/62/
20:21 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Updated .po files for 3.2.2 inclusion
20:36 cait fredericd++
20:45 chris fredericd++ #thanks for the patch, will push it up
20:49 chris jwagner: sorry got distracted now im interviewing someone will try to look when i get back
20:52 jwagner chris, thanks. Am about to leave now -- I'll check in tomorrow morning.
20:59 hudsonbot Starting build 242 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 15 days ago)
21:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5506 Shorten .po file comment lines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f460afbad6566e68bdbaddb5577f13f77a86a877>
21:16 hdl chris i think that you can revert 77426c9ef16ce1d8a5055f25eda62498980ce24e and 79ad2a0e176ab2c1e29cb6c4f06adac08ddb953b on the new/enh/bug_5530 (or even removing those commits)
21:19 jcamins_a Au revoir, #koha ('cause we all know I'll be back in a few hours)
21:22 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #242: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/242/
21:22 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Shorten .po file comment lines
21:24 * sylvar is embarrassed to say I think I've deleted my admin borrower and don't know exactly how to recreate it.
21:25 pianohack sylvar: You can log in as kohaadmin / your mysql password
21:25 sylvar whew, thanks pianohack
21:25 wizzyrea and you can assign superlibrarian permissions to any borrower
21:25 pianohack Yup
21:26 pianohack Also, hi wizzy
21:26 wizzyrea PH: i've been watching your website is down videos...
21:26 wizzyrea omg
21:26 wizzyrea and grats on the end of the semester :D
21:26 pianohack The first one is the best, but they're all funny
21:27 pianohack Thanks, happy to be done :)
21:27 wizzyrea the first one made me want to cry
21:27 wizzyrea whilst laughing
21:27 pianohack Yes, I know. Combination of "hahaha that's hilarious" and "oh god, I've been there"
21:27 wizzyrea "the website is down... hey, where'd the homepage go?"
21:27 * wizzyrea runs screaming
21:28 pianohack What have you been up to?
21:28 wizzyrea oh, causing trouble and wreaking havoc, the usual.
21:28 wizzyrea :)
21:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:40 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.8�C (10:39 PM CET on December 21, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling).
21:40 * cait waves to wizzyrea
21:40 wizzyrea yo cait :D
21:59 druthb hi, wizzyrea! o/
21:59 wizzyrea heya
22:05 chris @later tell chris_n you probaby want to cherry-pick the latest bug 5506 commit
22:05 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
22:05 chris_n heh... done and done :-)
22:05 chris :)
22:06 chris_n just about time to roll tarballs
22:06 chris hdl: revert them instead of just pushing the follow up ?
22:07 chris hdl: im easy either way, whatever you think is better
22:07 chris chris_n: w00t :)
22:08 hdl chris revert should be ok... Both are only here to remove the links... So reverting or even rebasing -i and removing them could be al right.
22:08 chris righto
22:08 hdl otherwise, it looks ok.
22:10 chris cool, will rebase remove those and merge
22:10 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5506 Shorten .po file comment lines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=403eea2c1c46994e6d4462cf52a2ded4d6bee363> / Bug 5331, fixing Italian sysprefs.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=228695c7fe397915abd7ca013812cc740ec7e108> / Bug 5531: Fixing german sysprefs file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f45a91e66cdd3bcd82603791a72
22:11 chris 7 errors in the syspref.sql files to fix too, and hudson will be back to stable again, i might try to do those today too
22:11 chris the emails are getting annoying :)
22:11 chris_n chris: I have done some work on that
22:11 chris cool, if you point me at it, id appreciate it
22:12 chris_n sorry, but its one big commit: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-chris_n.git;a=commit;h=40adeff6b2b182dd963536c15a7873e40597d2c7
22:12 * chris will look
22:13 cait chris_n: I looked at it, some update sql things seemed not ok to me
22:13 chris but first i'll do 5530
22:13 jwagner Well, so much for an evening off :-(
22:13 cait chris_n: line 3995
22:13 chris_n cait: it was a "sledge-hammer" approach
22:14 hudsonbot Starting build 63 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 14 days ago)
22:14 * chris_n is off all of the time according to some
22:14 cait hm?
22:14 cait chris_n: you asked me to test - but I was not sure you got my message
22:15 chris_n cait: sorry, I probably missed it with the mess my schedule has been the past several weeks
22:15 cait I have not applied the patch yet, but spotted some missing sql in the updatedatabase
22:15 chris chris_n: i have done de and it already
22:15 chris_n I figured I'd missed some things in updatedatabase
22:16 chris_n chris: I pushed those to 3.2.x earlier
22:16 chris ill grab the other ones, and commit them as individual changes, then will look at updatedatabase last
22:16 chris_n well, maybe the others will be of some help
22:16 cait chris: chris_n does an update database - so people with existing installations will get complete sys prefs :)
22:16 chris yep, ill do that separate
22:16 chris all i want for now is a fresh install to work
22:16 hdl chris : Do you wish me to send the fix for french sysprefs ?
22:16 chris so i can steal the .sql files
22:16 chris to do that
22:16 chris hdl: cna you look at
22:17 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-chris_n.git;a=commit;h=40adeff6b2b182dd963536c15a7873e40597d2c7
22:17 chris the fr-FR file there
22:17 chris and check its ok, if so, ill just grab it :)
22:17 chris or if you want to do it by hand
22:18 chris running perl xt/syspref.t
22:18 chris in master
22:18 chris will tell you exactly what its missing and what needs to be deleted :)
22:18 chris but yes i would love a fixed fr file :)
22:18 chris_n chris: all of my patches passed xt/syspref.t last I checked
22:19 chris_n but they will need to be translated
22:19 chris awesome, in that case, hdl do yuo want to grab the file from there, translate it, and send it as a patch?
22:19 hdl i saw the missing ones. I see that chrisn has import those... But explanation is in English... I donot care.... since it is YAML which will be displayed... But would be better to translate.
22:19 chris_n cait: has located a nasty in updatedatabase
22:19 hdl chris taking that.
22:19 chris cool thanks
22:20 chris_n so that will need to be fixed
22:20 hdl I will send it to you
22:20 chris_n chris: if this will transpire in the next hour or so, I'll hold off rolling up 3.2.2 for it
22:20 chris chris_n: yeah im splitting the work bug 5531 for the .sql files bug 5474 for the updatedatabase
22:20 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5531 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Missing sysprefs in language specific files
22:20 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5474 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
22:21 chris so if you wanted to submit updatedatabase.pl fixed as bug 5474 that would be cool
22:21 chris_n k
22:21 chris thanks heaps
22:22 chris hdl: i think i might just push frederics patch, i might mess it up trying to rebase, i think pushing the follow up might be safer
22:22 hdl bad vim.... double encoding utf8
22:23 hdl then revert only the second... iirc. fredericd patch is undoing the first.
22:23 chris right
22:24 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=801e7ffb72d87fb80ad0231474e4f37b043ba420
22:24 hdl eh... it is not vim, it is gitweb
22:24 chris i changed one too, so ill push his, do a grep and check have them all
22:28 * cait waves to jransom
22:30 hdl chris typo detected in sysprefs.sql for UseTableSortForCirc
22:30 cait bed time
22:31 cait good night all :)
22:31 chris 5530 aka biblibre admin changes is about to be merged
22:32 chris ahh could you fix that too if you have time hdl, it can wait until tomorrow though if you want to sleep :)
22:32 chris_n opps... bye cait
22:32 * wizzyrea whispers "hdl wants to sleep... he wants to relax... hdl wants to sleep..."
22:33 * wizzyrea whispers "your eyes are getting heavy... you're drifting off to dreamland..."
22:33 hdl wizzyrea: i'd love all our libraries would tell the same ;)
22:34 * wizzyrea shrugs
22:34 wizzyrea it works on my 2 year old :)
22:34 wizzyrea I can whisper at your librarians too, if you like :D
22:34 chris kapow, another branch down
22:34 wizzyrea chris++
22:35 chris now if we can get those patches paul reformatted signed off, we can get 2 more done
22:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #63: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/63/
22:36 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Adding Translations Updated to Release Notes for 3.02.02.000
22:36 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 5035 remove default opaccolorstylesheet value for new installs
22:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5531: Fixing german sysprefs file
22:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5331, fixing Italian sysprefs.sql
22:36 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Shorten .po file comment lines
22:40 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5530' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=28d9f9a39885be95dc186d4dac9d16b407593dc0> / Bug 5530 Follow up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5b416b5bb937a711f8a7bc2d1ae79cfd630d18c> / Bug 5530: Fixing a link to systempreferences.pl instead of preferences.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif
22:42 hdl chris i wanted to send the amendments today... But was unable to work on that.
22:42 chris no worries
22:43 chris_n chris: any chance you can test this: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-chris_n.git;a=commitdiff;h=3470155b4074f650a50a6dbc036e7fe3a3a9fa09
22:43 chris_n it seems to work from here
22:43 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
22:44 chris for anyone ever needing work, that patches needing signoff .. there are some in there that could really do with a look over
22:44 hudsonbot Starting build 243 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 15 days ago)
22:44 chris_n but I am not testing on multiple languages
22:44 chris 172 sitting there
22:44 wizzyrea oh zounds
22:45 chris after the 3.2.2 release im going to send an email pointing out all the things people can do to help
22:45 * chris_n runs out to throw steak on the grill
22:45 chris_n @wunder 28334
22:45 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 4.8�C (5:45 PM EST on December 21, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Rising).
22:45 chris there are 118 in patch pushed state too
22:45 chris to be tested and marked resolved
22:45 chris i think im gonna start sending an email to koha-devel each monday
22:46 chris with numbers and encouragement :)
22:46 chris hmm 5 in the signed-off queue .. thats my queue to push
22:46 * chris will try to always keep that single figures
22:47 chris chris_n: i probably wont have time today, but ill try to find time
22:52 wizzyrea I will work on some of those tomorrow.
22:52 wizzyrea the 118
22:52 wizzyrea errr
22:53 wizzyrea not tomorrow... staff day. But thursday.
22:54 chris yay :)
22:55 hdl chris I see that some sysprefs are removed... MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate, DisplayHierarchy... AllowNotForLoanOverride... BranchTransferLimitsType...
22:56 hdl Are they really removed ?
22:56 chris yeah they are not in the english one
22:57 chris but would have to check the code to see if they are in there
22:57 chris 2 secs
22:57 chris or perhaps they should be added to the english
22:57 chris C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm: if (C4::Context->preference('MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate') ){
22:58 chris but
22:59 chris ### the $merge flag is now depreceated and will be removed at code cleaning
22:59 chris if (C4::Context->preference('MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate') ){
22:59 chris &merge($authid,$oldrecord,$authid,$record);
22:59 chris } else {
22:59 chris ahh that comment is old
23:00 hdl DisplayHierarchy is quite commonly used by our libraries in 3.0
23:00 chris it may be that it was never added properly in the 3.2 code
23:01 chris so you might need to do some checking and instead of removing add them to the english one
23:01 hdl chris I would have to send you the whole sql file... The patch is more than 999 characters on one line.
23:01 chris ahh pull request?
23:02 * chris_n was afraid some prefs might not be in the en file
23:03 chris_n well, this one will have to wait for 3.2.3 me thinks
23:03 chris yup
23:03 hdl chris_n indeed... AuthDisplayHierarchy is used in Code.
23:03 hdl there is a check_syspref.pl which checks that....
23:05 chris_n my syspref_fix branch is by no means a finished work; only a very hasty start :-P
23:06 hdl chris_n: i can send you a perl script which can help... It is not really polished...
23:06 chris_n hdl: please send
23:06 hdl But for most of the usage it does the job.
23:07 chris_n brb
23:07 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=blob;f=misc/check_sysprefs.pl;h=1ca7388506040d213914843d1a87546dab3f98c7;hb=HEAD
23:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #243: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/243/
23:07 hudsonbot * Matthias Meusburger: MT 2446 : Cancel authority edition for a field goes back to this field
23:07 hudsonbot * Matthias Meusburger: MT 2310 : New subfield for fields < 10 is now in a tab
23:07 hudsonbot * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Followup admin/categorie.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: Removing usage of preferences.pl
23:07 hdl chris_n: here it is ??
23:07 hudsonbot * Henri-Damien LAURENT: MT4009: followup removing systempreferences
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1577) complete langages checkbox for unique id
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for authorised_values.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for branches.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for itemtypes.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : corrects tablesorting for authorised_values and itemtypes
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for categorie.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for cities.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for marctagstructure.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for auth_tag_structure.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : corrects tablesorting for authorised_values.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Stéphane Delaune: (MT #1654) followup : Adding jquery.tablesorter and jquery.tablesorter.pager support for branch_transfer_limits.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Henri-Damien LAURENT: branch transfer limits
23:07 hudsonbot * Paul Poulain: mybranch not exported (merge pb)
23:07 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5530: Fixing a link to systempreferences.pl instead of preferences.pl
23:07 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5530 Follow up
23:20 hdl chris new branch on wip/koha-biblibre.git : wip/sysprefs_translated
23:21 hdl Would need to reintroduce lost sysprefs.
23:21 chris right, could you update the bug with that info (got swamped with work so will look later)
23:21 chris and then go to bed :-)
23:21 hdl But translations are there... And might help stoping the warnings.
23:21 chris yes, thank you :)
23:22 hdl do you have bug id ?
23:22 chris 5531
23:24 jwagner OK, _now_ I'm going to shut down for the evening. Grumble grumble...
23:26 hdl it is there : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5474
23:26 munin 04Bug 5474: major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
23:27 chris and bug 5531
23:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5531 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Missing sysprefs in language specific files
23:27 chris they depend on each other, so either is fine
23:27 chris i was doing the language files in 5531
23:27 chris and hte updatedatabase.pl in 5474
23:27 hdl edder there.
23:28 chris cool thanks
23:28 hdl then bed.
23:28 hdl thanks