Time  Nick      Message
23:30 cait      good night all :)
23:19 sekjal    sort of limits my ability browse the interwebs, though.... I seldom remember IPs
23:19 druthb    yay!
23:18 sekjal    lost my DNS resolution for now, but I still got IRC!
23:17 cait      I am still here
23:17 * druthb  wonders when cait is gonna pass out.
23:12 cait      hm after midnight
23:06 cait      lol
23:02 * sekjal  counts to 50
23:01 * druthb  runs and hides with cait
23:00 * cait    hides
23:00 * druthb  jumps
22:54 brendan_l boo
22:54 brendan_l they sure are :)
22:03 cait      weekends are very silent
21:41 sekjal    gots to love #koha on the weekend
21:39 Nate      hiya sekjal!
21:39 sekjal    hey, Nate
21:38 Nate      Hi cait!
21:38 cait      hi Nate
21:33 cait      I said: thx :)
21:28 sekjal    sorry I keep dropping out
21:25 cait      thx :)
21:19 sekjal    I'll take care of it
21:18 cait      hm, want to update the bug? ;)
21:17 sekjal    first is trivial to fix.  second is a db update
21:17 sekjal    the other is the inability to have more than one IP range for a library
21:17 sekjal    one is sloppy regex
21:17 sekjal    there are two issues, really
21:17 sekjal    it was my first, actually
21:17 sekjal    I wrote a patch for it a long time ago, but it was not accepted
21:16 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3068 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Auth.pm:  IP address matching overly generous
21:16 cait      sekjal: do you know if bug 3068 is still a problem?
20:57 * sekjal  is not a fan of VPNs
20:51 sekjal    ah
20:51 cait      sekjal: the problem was updating the pod :)
20:51 * cait    ignores druthb
20:46 * druthb  is merrily packaging the one christmas present she has purchased already..
20:44 sekjal    date_due for issues table
20:44 cait      hmpf.
20:43 cait      hm, no due date...
20:43 cait      I checked my borrower account and decided for date due
20:43 cait      hmpf
20:41 druthb    Depends on where you are.
20:39 cait      due date, duedate or date due?
20:38 druthb    awww...
20:37 cait      ok, then go and talk to Leo ... ;)
20:37 cait      pah
20:37 druthb    Leo will teach me.
20:37 * cait    threatens to stop the German lessons
20:37 cait      *sighs*
20:35 * druthb  giggles
20:35 ibot      well, kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln.
20:35 druthb    kf?
20:35 cait      hehe
20:35 ibot      i heard cait was really sweet.
20:35 druthb    cait?
20:34 ibot      jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant.
20:34 cait      jcamins?
20:34 ibot      chris_n is wright :-[
20:34 cait      chris_n?
20:34 druthb    gmcharlt?
20:34 ibot      wizzyrea is prone to laughing
20:34 cait      wizzyrea?
20:34 druthb    hm.
20:34 ibot      rumour has it wizzyrea is a mom
20:34 druthb    wizzyrea?
20:34 ibot      wizzyrea is, like, a mom
20:34 druthb    wizzyrea?
20:34 ibot      chris is awesome
20:34 druthb    ibot: chris?
20:34 ibot      OK, druthb.
20:34 druthb    ibot:  ibot is a clever being
20:34 cait      you will send him into an identity crisis
20:33 ibot      druthb: I forgot ibot
20:33 druthb    ibot:  forget ibot
20:33 ibot      rumour has it i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
20:33 druthb    ibot:  ibot?
20:33 druthb    lol
20:33 ibot      druthb?
20:33 druthb    ibot?
20:33 druthb    no, ibot is really clever.
20:33 ibot      i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
20:33 cait      ibot: ibot?
20:33 cait      we are spoiling him
20:32 ibot      :)
20:32 druthb    ibot:  botsnack cookie
20:32 * druthb  chuckles.
20:32 ibot      somebody said druthb was way too chirpy for jwagner.
20:32 druthb    ibot:  druthb?
20:32 * cait    suddenly thinks about big bang theory
20:32 ibot      thanks cait :)
20:32 cait      ibot botsnack chocolate
20:31 ibot      chris is, like, awesome
20:31 cait      chris?
20:31 sekjal    awwww
20:31 ibot      sekjal is a wonderful geek.
20:31 druthb    sekjal?
20:31 druthb    sekjal is a wonderful geek.
20:31 ibot      druthb is fond of cookies.
20:31 cait      druthb?
20:31 ibot      bugger all, i dunno, druthb
20:31 druthb    ibot: sekjal?
20:31 cait      hi druthb :)
20:30 druthb    hi, sekjal and cait. :)
20:28 cait      I think she is right - changing to due date ok?
20:28 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3009 normal, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW, Change items.content field so it prints due date by default
20:28 cait      second opinion about bug 3009
20:28 sekjal    howdy, druthb!
20:26 cait      you are welcome :)
20:26 sekjal    thanks, cait!
20:26 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1997 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW, sys pref to Edit no results found page
20:26 cait      sekjal: sent patches and updated bug 1997
20:21 sekjal    it means I'm going to staying for a while... I'd think they'd encourage that
20:20 cait      I would think so ;)
20:16 sekjal    I assume that means it's socially acceptable to be on my laptop here
20:16 sekjal    no coffee shop to speak of, but one of the pubs has wifi
20:15 sekjal    alright, so I'm in Reno, NV right now, in a casino, waiting for my wife's flight to arrive
20:15 sekjal    thanks
20:15 cait      wb sekjal :)
20:15 cait      ru-RU and Ukrainian too
20:04 chris     Yeah not sure why they did that
20:03 cait      but fr-FR has renamed files - that makes it a bit harder
20:02 cait      perhaps for all sql files that are not in the folder and mandatory
20:02 cait      yes
20:02 chris     For sysprefs at least
20:01 cait      so the solution is to make the web installer always use the en file
20:01 cait      I agree
20:01 chris     Right but I think that's better than inconsistent prefs
20:00 cait      like the possibility to translate the defualt values for salutations and such
20:00 cait      although it will cost us some small things
20:00 chris     Only the frameworks need to be different
20:00 cait      that would fix the mess we are in now
20:00 cait      I agree
19:59 chris     Everything should use the same sql for install
19:59 cait      we donÄt need it for translations, but you need it for install
19:59 chris     Not with the new sysprefs editor
19:59 cait      ah, it's been renamed
19:59 chris     Well they don't need it now
19:59 chris     Really?
19:58 cait      fr-FR has no sql file for system preferences?
19:57 * cait    is confused
19:47 sekjal    bye, chris and cait!  hope to see you shortly.... but we'll see what's available
19:46 chris     Cya
19:46 sekjal    okay, about time to check out of the hotel, and move on to other wifi pastures...
19:40 cait      yeah, I meant those
19:39 cait      lots of complaints at training about them missing
19:39 chris     And on the main acq page too
19:39 cait      yeah
19:39 cait      chris: I think a short survey would be good - we are not using it and paul's sql parameters will help writing some more interactive reports
19:39 chris     They were very useful
19:39 chris     Yes I want those back
19:38 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3080 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, "spent" of budget and funds doesn't work
19:38 cait      bug 3080 reminded me of the missing reports in acq - the old links from the budget table
19:38 chris     Resolving it in koha seems like a waste of effort
19:38 chris     Its a solved problem
19:38 cait      ah, wanted to ask you something else
19:38 chris     They have stuff like compound reports and graphs etc
19:37 chris     And telling ppl to use it
19:37 chris     Yep I think wed be better finding a good free software tool
19:36 cait      hm, the bug report I closed earlier today seems to indicate people are using it - or at least trying to
19:29 chris     The guided one just allows to create really simple and mostly useless reports
19:29 chris     So you may as well use the sql bit, or a better repprting tool
19:28 chris     You can't create a good report without understanding the koha db anywya
19:28 chris     That do a much better job
19:28 chris     There are tools for reporting against an sql db
19:27 chris     Its reinventing the wheel in a bad way
19:26 cait      chris: why do you hate it?
19:25 cait      not really refusing - but telling them that I have to look at it first
19:24 cait      my libary asked about it. but I kind of refused to train them - because I have to figure it out myself first
19:24 cait      can't say much about functionality
19:24 cait      I think it has a lot of translation issues
19:24 chris     I hate it and I wrote it initially (under protest I might add)
19:24 chris     But I might ask on list if ppl use it
19:23 chris     Brb getting atarau breakfast
19:23 chris     Its not actually useful
19:23 cait      that's a solution too...
19:23 chris     Except the sql bit
19:23 chris     Cait: I think we should remove all of guided reports
19:22 chris     Will do
19:22 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for 4832 - Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type
19:22 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5467: Kits shown wrong as visual material in XSLT displays
19:22 hudsonbot * f.demians at tamil.fr: Bug 5446 Item creation in Acquisition module doesn't control mandatory field
19:22 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Add BSZ to Koha's About page
19:22 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #191: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/191/
19:21 cait      I made the mistake to look at guided reports earlier today...
19:21 cait      chris: can you change it to fredericd?
19:21 cait      chris: ah, I saw that you are still the default assignee in bugzilla for I18N issues
19:20 cait      like recent acquisitions
19:20 cait      yeah :(
19:20 chris     Happened with 3.0 and is a mess to fix
19:20 chris     The longer we can do this the less chance we have of features sneaking into 3.2 and not master
19:19 chris     chris_n cherry-picks from master
19:18 chris     If you rebase on master, that would be cool
19:18 cait      and bywater++
19:17 cait      but we have no real development projects, so it's much easier
19:17 cait      yeah, we have a similar rule - trying to do no customizations
19:16 cait      :)
19:16 * sekjal  's goal is to get as much signed-off on and into Koha as possible before releasing it to clients
19:16 sekjal    the dev I'm talking about is not quite publish-level.  I'm going to do some cleanup, rebase it onto 3.2, and get it ready for submission
19:15 cait      but normally Brooke is around ;)
19:15 cait      ah, happens a lot
19:15 sekjal    cait:  sorry
19:15 cait      sekjal: now you are confusing me :)
19:14 cait      chris: you could try to make a deal with him, maybe offer chocolate or something?
19:14 sekjal    I need to rebase that dev, anyway, and if we can get that part of high enough quality to add to Koha, it'll make my life that much simpler
19:14 cait      sekjal: ok :)
19:14 sekjal    cait:  yes, please, rebase and signoff
19:13 chris     So no more patches for a little bit
19:13 cait      I started looking on old bugs yesterday... lots of lost kittens
19:13 chris     So I'm using the phone
19:13 chris     But now kahu has stolen my laptop to play gcompris
19:13 chris     So we should be able to fix them, and fix the languages
19:13 chris     10 missing ones
19:13 cait      my work on 1997 ok with you sekjal?
19:12 cait      yeah, it's no fun at the moment - but I think we should maintain thefiles as long as there is no other solution
19:11 sekjal    (I bring up opacprivacy because it involved a lot of edits to the sql files)
19:11 cait      sekjal++
19:11 cait      so is it ok if I do as I said? or do you see a problem?
19:11 sekjal    hi, cait
19:11 sekjal    looks like I'll be reimplementing the opac privacy enhancement paul_p originally did last year
19:10 cait      hi sekjal :)
19:10 cait      yeah, but it will complain a lot today
19:10 cait      he is hiding from me or something... *looks around*
19:10 chris     Least we have the test to complain about missing ones now
19:10 cait      some are even missing from prefs - chris_n did some work on that, but didn't manage to talk with him about it yet
19:10 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for 4832 - Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9f3f2872f8ca15eed8bcd73fcd498f81ad7d5df>
19:10 chris     Yep
19:09 sekjal    oooh, one of my devs depends on 1997, as I recall
19:09 cait      we have a loooot of missing things
19:09 cait      yeah, I know
19:09 cait      he will miss it
19:09 chris     It won't work
19:09 chris     Else, if someone installs fresh
19:09 cait      I rebased it, but only had to change the order in updatadatabase
19:09 chris     It needs to be in the sql
19:09 cait      ok, will sign-off with a note and send a follow up
19:08 chris     Yes please
19:08 cait      how do we deal with that now?
19:08 cait      should I write a follow up patch to add it to all the sql files?
19:08 cait      wondering about the sys pref part
19:08 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1997 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW, sys pref to Edit no results found page
19:08 cait      I was going to sign off on nengard's bug 1997
19:08 cait      yep, he as really busy
19:08 cait      he send it as attached file to the list
19:08 chris     Colin signed off tons to
19:07 chris     Cool haven't got there yet
19:07 cait      kmkale signed-off on deletedborrowers...
19:07 cait      how is your weekend?
19:06 chris     Does
19:06 cait      right :)
19:06 chris     Heh
19:06 cait      does a little dance? nah, I really can't dance, so it doesn't matter
19:06 chris     2 in fact
19:06 * cait    makes a little dance
19:06 cait      another patch in koha
19:06 * cait    waves
19:05 chris     Hi cait
19:02 cait      me too hudson... me too
19:01 hudsonbot cait: you're so kind to me! I could eat lebkuchen all day long
19:01 cait      !hudson botsnack lebkuchen
19:01 cait      hi chris
19:00 hudsonbot Starting build 191 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 4 days 22 hr ago)
19:00 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5467: Kits shown wrong as visual material in XSLT displays <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5633b423e3622f21842e38598f208e5da588f7e5> / Bug 5446 Item creation in Acquisition module doesn't control mandatory field <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76264638ccd16600fa063fe19475e73177763916> / Add BSZ to Koha's About page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
18:35 cait      nengard: around?
18:32 cait      chris_n: around?
17:56 kmkale    bye all. good night
17:53 * cait    waves to jcamins
17:53 cait      :)
17:52 ebegin    thanks! :)
17:24 cait      beautiful
17:20 cait      very cool
17:18 cait      tried several times a few minutes ago
17:18 cait      ah now it did
17:18 cait      doesn' t load for me :(
17:05 kmkale    ebegin: i like the details page even better
16:56 kmkale    cool
16:50 ebegin    kindof
16:50 ebegin    It's a watermark
16:50 ebegin    It is more visible in the detail bib.  for exeample: http://arto.inlibro.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=3233
16:46 kmkale    ebegin: i cant see logo/watermark on the images
16:40 ebegin    kmkale, thanks :) This is a organisation that lends art pieces.
16:37 druthb    hi, cait and kmkale.  :)
16:37 kmkale    hey druthb ;)
16:31 cait      hi druthb
16:28 * druthb  waves
15:59 kmkale    :)
15:58 cait      hi kmkale
15:57 kmkale    hi cait
15:53 cait      hm nobody here
15:48 cait      hi #koha :)
15:26 kmkale    thanks jcamins will dig into that
15:25 kmkale    oops never realised i had got disconnected :(
15:02 jcamins   Anyway, if you'd like to canibalize (however you spell that) any of my image library functionality: https://github.com/jcamins/koha/tree/image_library
15:02 jcamins   Really, *really* nice.
15:01 jcamins   Nice!
15:00 kmkale    http://arto.inlibro.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Lemiere
15:00 * jcamins goes looking for this e-mail...
15:00 kmkale    i am talking about the link to a canadian catalouge ebegin sent
15:00 jcamins   Okay.
14:59 kmkale    thats still loading jcamins slow internet here
14:59 jcamins   kmkale: if you're talking about the C & P demo catalogue, that's mine. ;)
14:58 kmkale    ebegin: the catalouge looks nice :)
14:55 jcamins   Perhaps a syspref "use 563u or use MARC tag"?
14:55 jcamins   However, I think it would be better if the cataloger didn't have to specify the cover image.
14:54 jcamins   There's actually a 563u, so I would prefer to see the URL put in there, if a URL is entered directly.
14:54 jcamins   ebegin: Here's an example of what you're talking about: http://demo.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1
14:53 jcamins   kmkale: I would prefer a file system storage.
14:44 kmkale    brb
14:40 kmkale    isn't that waht we are doing with patron images?
14:39 kmkale    ebegin: yes i am inclined towards storing in mysql.
14:36 ebegin    It also depends of the size of the images.
14:35 ebegin    kmkale, you would store the files in mysql directly? this may be ok for small catalogue, but i don't know what the performances would be for a large one
14:33 kmkale    jcamins_a eric_b you think a file system storage will be better that mysql?
14:28 eric_b    jcamins_a, we think alike :) (ref: Covers images)
14:22 jcamins_a Well, that's a project for another day.
14:21 nengard   ick
14:17 jcamins_a I guess I'll need to get Windows installed in a VM so I can test.
14:13 nengard   but that doesn't sound familiar
14:13 nengard   jcamins we had a few issues in ie8
14:05 jcamins_a The sidebar is all jumbled over the main page.
14:03 jcamins_a Anyone know anything about the main page of the OPAC not working on IE?
13:59 jcamins_a Good. :)
13:59 nengard   jcamins i think i'm okay now
13:59 jcamins_a nengard: Kind of.
13:34 nengard   anyone around?
09:35 kmkale    it seems if I have a # in mysql password, mysql is happy but koha test fails
08:17 kmkale    bye
08:17 cait      sorry kmkale -have to run
07:55 kmkale    new server got koha via git clone. make test fails Error:  Access denied for user 'booksnmore'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /home/booksnmore/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 692. I am able to login to mysql suing same credentials :(
07:49 * cait    gets a headache from looking at it
07:42 cait      *sighs*
07:42 cait      harcoded strings everywhere but not in the templates
07:42 cait      oh yes
07:40 cait      looks like the reports module is a translation nightmare :(
07:05 munin     cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (7:00 PM NZDT on December 11, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
07:05 cait      @wunder wellington, nz
07:03 kmkale    hi chris
07:03 kmkale    aahh
07:02 cait      hi chris
06:59 chris     its the time it got the weather report, not what time it thinks it is
06:51 munin     kmkale: Error: "your" is not a valid command.
06:51 kmkale    munin your time is off
06:51 cait      7:52am
06:50 munin     kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 25.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 11, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:50 cait      ah
06:50 kmkale    @weather Mumbai
06:50 kmkale    12.22pm
06:50 munin     cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7�C (7:50 AM CET on December 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady).
06:50 cait      @wunder Konstanz
06:50 cait      kmkale: what time is it for you now?
06:45 kmkale    good for weekend
06:43 cait      perhaps we can lower the open bugs countn a little :)
06:43 cait      I am looking at some old bugs right now
06:42 kmkale    also a nice discussion here http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/3365/focus=3367
06:42 cait      really old suggestion
06:42 cait      ah, bugzilla
06:42 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
06:42 kmkale    bug 1633
06:35 kmkale    will also put a rfc in wiki today
06:35 kmkale    just checking if someone had any ideas concerning this already in a rfc.
06:34 kmkale    Yup. I will send out a email on devel soon with the scope of work requesting for comments and suggestions
06:34 cait      have koha use a local picture if one exists and a online picture else
06:34 cait      I think somethink like - check local - check online (amazon, google books...) would be good
06:33 kmkale    :)
06:33 cait      hey, that's cool :)
06:33 kmkale    I am searching the wiki then will search the lists. I have just received a sponsor for the feature
06:32 cait      kmkale: I think someone wrote on the mailing list about it some time ago - but I don't remember a rfc on the wiki
06:26 kmkale    are you aware of any RFC / enhancement in works for adding local cover images support?
06:26 cait      hi kmkale :)
06:26 kmkale    morning cait
06:17 cait      morning #koha
05:27 kmkale    good morning #koha
01:01 brendan   night all - heading home :)