Time  Nick      Message
00:13 rhcl_away ibot speaks Chinese?
00:13 ibot      no idea, rhcl_away
01:12 ray       Good morning!
01:12 ray       How can I show the item number of books in the OPAC?
03:02 * druthb  slips back in
03:40 jransom   druthb : isn't it like the middle of the night over there?
03:40 druthb    22:45.  Not *that* late.
03:48 jransom   oh - not its hardly late at all :)
04:00 brendan   evening
04:01 * druthb  waves to brendan
04:05 jransom   hiya
04:05 brendan   heya jransom
05:02 brendan   @wunder 93117
05:02 munin     brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.4�C (8:59 PM PST on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
05:11 cait      morning #koha
05:20 brendan   morning cait
05:20 cait      hi brendan :)
05:33 brendan   how's things cait?
05:34 cait      still trying to wake up
05:34 cait      and you are still here? :)
05:34 brendan   yeah gonna be here for a bit :)
05:53 cait      still dark outside :(
06:39 cait      brendan: as you are still around... looking at bug 4160
06:39 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4160 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Currency Conversion dosn't handle rates other than 100
06:39 cait      you think the posted solution is ok to write into a patch?
06:39 brendan   I am around - not currently though
06:39 brendan   I mean I'm off wrapping my mind on something else for the moment
06:40 cait      ok :)
06:41 cait      just looking for a second opinion
06:41 cait      I will write it up - it will be easy to change the data type if someone suggests something else
06:44 cait      git.koha-community.org is broken for me with an xml error :(
06:44 brendan   trying to clone from there?
06:44 brendan   or just view?
06:44 brendan   if viewing - it worked for me
06:48 cait      no just view
06:48 cait      cloning went ok
06:52 brendan   ah ok - sorry worked fine from here :)
06:55 cait      strange
06:55 cait      unhappy firefoy maybe
06:57 cait      firefox
07:04 cait      ok patch done, waiting for complaints ;)
07:04 chris     back
07:04 chris     i might try and catch up patches over the weekned, otherwise they will have to wait until monday
07:08 brendan   heya chris
07:08 brendan   wb
07:17 cait      hi chris :)
07:17 cait      everything went ok?
07:18 chris     yup
07:19 cait      cool :)
07:26 cait      ok, time to get ready for work - bye all!
08:12 kf        hi #koha
08:16 magnus    kia ora, #koha
08:16 chris     hi kf and magnus
08:17 kf        hi chris... you are still here :)
08:17 kf        god morgen magnus :)
08:18 magnus    hi chris & kf
08:18 magnus    isn't chris always here? ;-)
08:22 kf        hm, kind of
08:32 * magnus  will be attending a training course on SPARQL through skype for the rest of the day
08:32 kf        oh
09:21 kf        hi ivanc
09:21 ivanc     guten morgen kf
09:21 ivanc     hi #koha
09:40 brendan_l night #koha :)
09:41 kf        good ngiht brendan
10:25 kmkale    I upgraded one library from 3.00.05 to 3.02.01 and the empty yellow box on circulation is back :(
10:27 kmkale    there is no error reported in logs at all..
10:44 kf        the empty yellow box for accounts with an overdue book?
10:46 kmkale    yup
10:46 kmkale    I have discovered this installation is using en-GB for staff interface. Inspite of en being selected in sysprefs.
10:47 kf        ah, have you recreated your templates after updating?
10:47 kmkale    and there are tns of diferences between en & en-GB in circulation.tmpl
10:47 kmkale    recreated templates? how?
10:47 kf        standard or dev install?
10:48 kmkale    standard
10:48 kf        hm, never done it there, but what I do in my dev installations is: cd misc/translator, perl translate install en-GB
10:49 kmkale    ughh. Never had to do that. Mystery is why is it using en-GB
10:49 kf        yeah
10:49 kf        that is mysterious
10:49 kf        do you need it?
10:50 kmkale    when syspref says en. I changed syspref to and fro some value. No effect
10:50 kf        hm, could perhaps be your browser settings - it's trying to guess the right language from there
10:50 kmkale    en-GB? nope
10:50 kf        you could delete de en-GB folders
10:50 kmkale    trying
10:50 kf        a bit drastic perhaps... but they are not up to date anyway
10:50 kf        delete the...
10:52 kmkale    hah moved en-GB dir to old-en-GB and it did the trick. Now I am getting "Patron has had overdue items and is blocked for 10 day(s)."
10:53 kf        yeah, your templates were not up-to-date
10:53 kf        perhaps you will see problems with other languages too
10:53 kf        how did oyu do your update?
10:53 kf        have you downloaded the tarball with all language files included?
10:53 kmkale    yikes kf. its eerie the way we keep returning to translations past few days :(
10:53 kf        quite normal for me :)
10:54 kmkale    yup tarball download. then followed the upgrade process with old install log etc
10:54 kf        I have accepted translation as a never ending story
10:54 kf        yeah, but which tarball?
10:54 kf        the bigger or the small one?
10:54 kmkale    koha-3.02.01.tar.gz
10:55 kf        did it include the directories for en-GB?
10:55 kmkale    32mb
10:55 kf        unpacked?
10:56 kf        if it didn't include the templates for the other languages you will need to update them
10:56 kmkale    no the unpacked tarball does not have en-GB
10:56 kmkale    no wonder
10:56 kmkale    how do I update templates?
10:57 kmkale    more importantly why is it using en-GB in the first place. How do I hunt that
10:57 kf        I suspect your language settings in the browser
10:58 kf        it's trying to detect the language - I am sometimes forced to look at really ugly German OPACs - because people modified templates for only one language or forget to put the css files in all language folders
10:58 kf        and you can try running the translation script
10:59 kf        from misc/translator run perl translate install <language-code>
10:59 kf        ok, lunch time :)
10:59 kf        will be back later
10:59 kmkale    bye and thanks again
11:34 kf        back
11:45 kmkale    I could not figure out why it was taking en-GB. My browser is set to en_IN and the mysql syspref was set to en.
11:58 kf        hm, no idea then
12:09 pastebot  "kmkale" at pasted "IN 3.02.01 missing AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/circulation.pref" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/114
12:11 kmkale    I have the AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues syspref in mysql table; I have the corresponding USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING blocks in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/circ/circulation.tmpl but no AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues section in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/circulation.pref as you can see from the above paste
12:11 kf        kmkale: you can add to the general syspref chaos bug: bug 5474
12:11 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5474 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
12:12 kmkale    as bug 4036 was fixed resolved and pushed it should be there. :(
12:12 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE  and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING
12:12 kmkale    but its NOT translated. This in en :(
12:12 kf        hm yes it probably should
12:12 kf        there was anotherproblem like yours added to the bug today
12:12 kf        I think the sql files and .pref files are not in sync
12:13 kmkale    and I have downloaded stable tar.gz from site yesterday and checked the mdy ;)
12:13 kmkale    s/mdy/md5/
12:13 kf        I believe you ;)
12:14 kf        and it should have been added I think: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1795
12:17 kmkale    And I dont have AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/Members.pm
12:18 kmkale    now I am going mad
12:19 kf        plz don't
12:21 kf        git search for bug number: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=4036
12:22 kf        kmkale: it seems it's not in git?
12:23 kf        don't see it here, plz check: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences;h=07aa91541c47c8aaf07f6af672027231582945e8;hb=e54169ba0f06cd835d72936e14012933a67793e7
12:25 kmkale    kf: It seems patch pushed was different from patches attached to the bug report?
12:30 kf        kmkale: yep, I think you are right
12:30 kf        not sure I found all - perhaps some were pushed without the bug number in subject
12:30 kf        I think this is a bug - can you file a short bug report?
12:31 kmkale    sorry phone call
12:32 kmkale    I made changes as per patch attached to bug 4036 and now the system is working as expected.
12:32 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE  and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING
12:32 kf        or better - reopen the existing bug with your findings?
12:32 kmkale    4036?
12:33 kf        not sure
12:33 ibot      not sure are you using git?
12:33 kf        hehe
12:33 kf        ibot: git?
12:33 ibot      well, git is found at http://git.koha-community.org
12:33 kmkale    no. for this install I am using stable tarball
12:34 kmkale    its an upgrade from 3.00.05 to 3.02.01
12:35 kmkale    i will send a mail on koha-devel with what I found
12:37 kf        kmkale: the problem is that I don't see the it in the .pref file on git either
12:37 kf        it's nto there
12:37 kf        so it can't exist in your pref file
12:38 kmkale    but one thing is sure there is no  AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/Members.pm in the untarred source tree of koha-3.02.01.tar.gz
12:38 kmkale    i just checked
12:39 kf        was it ther in 3.0.x?
12:40 kmkale    checking
12:40 kmkale    no
12:41 kmkale    but since the tmpl functionality existed in 3.2 there was a problem of blank yellow box.
12:41 kmkale    adding the syspref and member.pm bits resolved the issue
12:41 kf        yeah
12:41 kf        you could send a patch? :)
12:44 kmkale    nope
12:45 kmkale    I will send a email on koha-devel
12:45 kmkale    I wish gmcharlt will take a look at this since he seems to have pushed the patches here http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=4036
13:36 kmkale    bbl
14:11 kf        hi owen
14:12 owen      Hi
15:18 owen      It's like being the doorman in a busy building. Just people coming and going.
15:18 trea      indeed
15:19 kf        :)
15:37 kf        time to go - see you all later :)
15:51 hdl       hi owen
16:34 jwagner   It's snowing outside!  That wasn't in the forecast for today....
17:22 jcamins   For any of the NZers around- what's a Slice? Joann's recipe sounds delicious, but I have no idea what it's supposed to come out looking like.
17:26 chris     http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/3253062472_a48558dd29.jpg
17:28 owen      Hm, why didn't I pack that in my lunch?
18:00 owen      I just pushed a branch for my jquery-ui work so far if anyone is interested: http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev
18:00 owen      ip-bug-5481-jquery-ui-2010-12-09 is the branch
18:02 jcamins   Mmmm. That looks good.
19:00 * Brooke  waves to Magnus.
19:00 * magnus  waves back to Brooke and the rest of #koha
19:13 brendan   morning
19:15 magnus    hiya brendan
19:15 brendan   hey magnus
19:17 * Brooke  waves at wizzy
19:17 magnus    is wizzyrea_ playing hide and seek with us or something?
19:18 Brooke    Dunno, count to a hundred and see if she returns. ;)
19:19 magnus    ok
19:20 magnus    ...and 100
19:26 * Brooke  admires Magnus' advanced counting mechanics.
19:27 Brooke    Now go ask your father.
19:28 magnus    perl -e 'print 1..100'
19:31 Brooke    :D
19:35 magnus    hiya druthb
19:35 druthb    hi, magnus! :)
20:22 sylvar    magnus: I used a trick like perl -e 'print 1..100' when I was about 10 years old. I had been bad and was given the punishment of writing something 100 times.  I asked if I could type it because I was trying to teach myself how to type.
20:23 sylvar    The teacher never heard of letter-quality daisywheel printers.  10 FOR X = 1 TO 100    20 LPRINT "I will not cheat on my assignments"   30 NEXT X
20:31 Brooke    heh heh
20:32 magnus    hee hee
20:33 * Brooke  waves at ebegin
20:33 ebegin    hi brooke!
20:33 ebegin    got to go!
20:36 chris     I give up, its like talking to a brickwall
20:39 nengard   :(
20:40 chris     Every year the same thing
20:43 cait      hi #koha
20:45 Brooke    hi Cait :D
20:45 cait      hi Broooke
20:47 magnus    hiya cait
20:47 cait      hi magnus
20:47 cait      do you know a-team? where one of them doesn't want to fly?
20:48 cait      and nengard doesn't want to go on a boat...
20:48 nengard   no boats
20:48 cait      oh no, she is here
20:48 nengard   boats + nicole = big horrible mess
20:48 * cait    hides
20:48 owen      Sorry nengard , we'll miss you during our cruise!
20:48 Brooke    ooooooooh
20:48 Brooke    that can TOTALLY be next KohaCon
20:48 nengard   KohaCon without Nicole ... whoever will do the speaking?? :)
20:49 magnus    good question ;-)
20:49 Brooke    *sigh*
20:49 Brooke    there will always be a blocker for each of my ideas.
20:49 magnus    nengard: you could use skype to talk to us from solid ground somewhere ;-)
20:49 nengard   as much as i like you all - nothing will get me on a boat for more than a short ride (and only then if there are no roads)
20:50 magnus    because of the boat as such or because of waves?
20:52 nengard   because it's a floating death trap ... and cause of the rocking ... and cause it's a floating death trap :)
20:53 chris     pshaw, its about 1million times safer than a car
20:53 nengard   car isn't on water
20:53 nengard   :)
20:53 cait      nengard: and a flying death trap is better? ;)
20:53 magnus    ooh, good one, cait ;-)
20:54 Brooke    yeah
20:54 Brooke    I'd much rather take me chances swimming than falling.
20:54 chris     yeah or burning
20:54 magnus    +1
20:54 chris     or smashing
20:54 chris     or being thrown throw a window
20:54 chris     thru even
20:54 nengard   not convincing me
20:54 nengard   no boats
20:54 Brooke    no, no, no. I only wanted to set meself on fire while Bush was Resident.
20:55 magnus    resident president? ;-)
20:57 * cait    whispers to magnus: we could kidnap her... don't let her look through windows or on deck... tell her it's underground
20:58 nengard   why are we stuck on this being a cruise exactly?
20:58 * magnus  whispers to cait: hey, good plan!
20:58 cait      magnus?
20:58 ibot      rumour has it magnus is an awesome fellow
20:58 cait      yeah, because of that
20:58 nengard   hehe
20:59 * owen    fears good internet connectivity would be a problem on a cruise
20:59 nengard   good point
20:59 nengard   guess we'll need to hold it ON LAND
21:00 Brooke    pff, that's infinitely solveable with Satellite.
21:00 magnus    well, http://www.insightcruises.com/ does all kinds of geek cruises  i would thnk they have figured that one out ;-)
21:00 * Brooke  highfives Magnus
21:00 magnus    yay!
21:03 cait      hehe
21:03 magnus    kohacruise?
21:03 ibot      i heard kohacruise was a good idea
21:03 nengard   magnus didn't even click the link - no boats
21:04 jc_ircdem Hello all, demoing IRC through Mibbit for an intern.
21:04 magnus    hiya jc_ircdem
21:04 * owen    remembers when insightcruises was geekcruises and they did cruises devoted to Perl and stuff like that
21:04 Brooke    Hi there folks on the other side of the interweb tubes.
21:06 magnus    owen: i thought that's what they do still? at least they have some mac cruises planned?
21:06 owen      magnus: Yeah, but mostly it's much less geeky now, at least less computer-geeky
21:07 owen      Now it's science and astronomy and history and, uh... quilting?
21:07 * Brooke  suspects Owen is a proprietary geek because he isn't open to starwatchers and history buffs.
21:07 Brooke    Get off the lawn!!!!
21:07 * owen    is just sorry he missed his chance to ever go on the "Perl Whirl" cruise
21:07 Brooke    ask for it again :D
21:08 Brooke    And the Wisconsin Women Library Workers will quilt a fine story.
21:09 owen      I have an SQL question: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Monthly_holds_filled_by_branch
21:09 owen      The " concat(date_format(LAST_DAY(now() - interval 1 month),'%Y-%m-%')) "
21:10 owen      That would result in "2010-11" ?
21:10 magnus    hm, yeah '%Y-%m-%' doesn't look too promising...
21:15 owen      why the concat() ?
21:15 magnus    beats me, seems it's only concat'ing the one value
21:16 cait      sometimes it makes your fields shorter - nicer display
21:16 cait      in mysql gui something... not sure about koha ;)
21:17 owen      Okay, thanks guys. Time to start the weekend.
21:18 magnus    good idea!
21:20 cait      starting the weekend means leaving #koha?
21:21 cait      I hope not
21:21 magnus    hehe
21:22 jcamins   Good night, #koha
21:22 Brooke    night
21:38 cait      chris_n: around?
22:33 magnus    g'night #koha - see you tomorrow!
22:33 trea      night magnus
23:03 cait      good night all