Time  Nick        Message
00:13 wasabi      wow, those race-suits are blingy
01:19 wasabi      robin:  about?
01:19 robin       wasabi: yup
01:20 wasabi      any chance you could flick me your .screen.conf file?
01:20 wasabi      i wanted to upgrade to your 'status-bar' thingy :)
01:20 robin       wasabi: sure thing, I'll just paste it here, it's short
01:20 robin       $ cat /home/robin/.screenrc
01:20 robin       hardstatus on
01:20 robin       hardstatus alwayslastline
01:20 robin       hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %d/%m%C%a"
01:21 wasabi      bamm!, thanx :)
01:21 robin       sweet as
01:24 wasabi      i wanted that for my screen , for about 5 years! :/
01:24 wasabi      lol
01:25 robin       hehe
01:25 robin       it's quite useful
01:30 wasabi      yes, i no longer have to rely on a terminal.app to do my screen session switching
01:31 wasabi      s/session/window/
01:32 robin       definitely a benefit :)
02:18 wasabi      bugger, the screen bottom-menu has borken my term's scrollback
02:19 wasabi      might has to do some more experimenting...
02:19 wasabi      … switch my term perhaps
02:20 robin       wasabi: use screen's scrollback
02:21 wasabi      yes, i do already… ish
02:21 wasabi      but using my screens scrollback, i cant 'cut' properly
02:22 wasabi      on multi-screen text
02:22 robin       yeah, that's a bit annoying.
02:22 robin       not something I have to do a lot, fortunately.
02:22 robin       Also, screen has some copy/paste ability itself
02:23 wasabi      yep, ive avioded that method so far
02:23 wasabi      not everything i do is in a screen session
02:24 wasabi      anyhoo, i now have more options, thnx to you
02:24 robin       no worries
02:24 wasabi      i hope to experiment with a better setup over xmas
02:25 wasabi      term/screen setup is a black art, for sure!
02:25 robin       let me know what you end up with
02:25 robin       it really is
02:25 robin       oh
02:25 robin       also have a look into tmux, it's like screen
02:25 robin       I've never used it, but I know people who quite like it.
02:25 wasabi      ive used some gonzo home-grown setups in the past
02:25 wasabi      screen and putty even, lol
02:27 wasabi      tmux?
02:28 wasabi      ibot: tmux?
02:28 ibot        wish i knew, wasabi
02:28 wasabi      tmux is like screen
02:28 wasabi      tmux?
02:28 ibot        rumour has it tmux is like screen
02:29 wasabi      aaah, thanks ibot
02:29 wasabi      and robin, for the tmux tip ;)
02:29 robin       no problem :)
03:28 chris_n     ibot: ibot?
03:28 ibot        it has been said that i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
03:30 Brooke      heh
03:32 robin       ibot: status
03:32 ibot        Since Wed Dec  1 02:57:45 2010, there have been 41 modifications and 30 questions.  I have been awake for 1 day, 34 minutes, 41 seconds this session, and currently reference 376 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
03:38 robin       ibot: migration is hard
03:38 ibot        OK, robin.
03:39 Brooke      ibot: botsnack beer
03:39 ibot        :)
03:41 robin       ibot: be hudsonbot is <reply>I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
03:41 ibot        OK, robin.
03:42 robin       ibot: be hudsonbot
03:42 ibot        I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
03:43 Brooke      hehehe
03:43 Brooke      ibot: be robin is <reply> I'm a swell guy.
03:43 ibot        OK, Brooke.
03:43 Brooke      ibot: be robin
03:43 ibot        I'm a swell guy.
03:43 robin       I would never use the word 'swell'
03:44 Brooke      ibot: be robin is <reply> I'm a lumberjack.
03:44 ibot        ...but be robin is <reply> I'm a swell guy....
03:44 Brooke      hehhe
03:47 * Brooke    waves to hdl
03:49 robin       ibot: hdl is in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:49 ibot        ...but hdl is looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search....
03:49 robin       ibot: hdl is also in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:49 ibot        okay, robin.
03:49 robin       ibot: hdl
03:49 ibot        somebody said hdl was looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search. or in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:50 robin       oh bother
03:50 hdl         hi robin
03:50 robin       hullo :)
03:50 robin       ibot: literal hdl
03:50 ibot        robin: hdl =is= looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search. or in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:50 Oak         \o
03:50 hdl         ibot forget hdl
03:50 ibot        hdl: I forgot hdl
03:51 robin       ibot: hdl is in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:51 ibot        OK, robin.
03:51 * hdl       is looking in hudson to try and use that for testing Search.
03:51 * hdl       gathers use cases for search
03:52 Brooke      ibot: be druthb
03:52 ibot        Brooke: sorry...
03:52 Brooke      yes!!!
03:52 kmkale      good morning
03:52 robin       hi
03:52 ibot        hey, robin
03:52 Brooke      ibot: be druthb is <reply> Harrumph!
03:52 ibot        OK, Brooke.
03:52 hdl         hi all
03:55 * Brooke    waves at wizzy
03:56 wizzyrea_   oh hai
03:56 Brooke      right. Found a glove. Fought solely sabre. Heard a non Librarian correctly use the word "metadata" in a non Library setting. I can die happy, or alternatively go to sleep.
03:57 kmkale      now what was that?
03:57 chris_n     that was Brooke :-)
03:59 kmkale      ;)
05:20 cait        hi #koha
05:31 kmkale      hi cait
05:31 cait        morning kmkale
05:52 kmkale      bbl
05:53 cait        @wunder Konstanz
05:53 munin       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.4�C (6:50 AM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Rising).
06:40 fredericd   kmkale: ?
06:42 cait        good morning fredericd
06:42 praba       Hi good morning
06:42 cait        hi praba
06:43 fredericd   good morning cait
06:43 fredericd   @wunder Paris
06:43 munin       fredericd: Error: No such location could be found.
06:43 praba       Hello cait.. Can we speed up borrower bulk import ?
06:43 praba       i need to import nearly 5 lacs borrowers..
06:43 cait        you have a lot of borrowers to load?
06:43 fredericd   @wunder Paris, France
06:43 munin       fredericd: The current temperature in Paris, France is -2.0�C (7:30 AM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
06:44 kmkale      hi fredericd
06:44 praba       its taking too much of time .. is there any other alternative ?
06:44 fredericd   kmkale: Would you be available to test a patch and sign-off?
06:44 cait        you could split up your borrower file
06:44 kmkale      yes if I can understand it ;)
06:44 fredericd   It's very basic
06:44 kmkale      sure
06:44 fredericd   The patch is here:
06:44 fredericd   http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-November/013107.html
06:45 kmkale      wilco
06:45 fredericd   and bug description here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5446
06:45 cait        praba: you could also create sql statements to fill the table - but this has it's on risks and the borrower upload tool is much safer. I would try to split your file into smaller files if loading from the browser takes too long.
06:45 munin       04Bug 5446: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Item creation in Acquisition module doesn't control mandatory fields
06:45 praba       ya.. Thats wat i'm doing it.. But still it takes lat of time to import
06:46 cait        I have only imported up to 1000 borrowers - that was reasonably fast on our server
06:46 cait        fredericd: good to see this getting fixed!
06:47 cait        fredericd: pootle question: you wrote we have to register again on the new site - what about the rights/permissions?
06:48 praba       i have spited files with 8K to 10K borrowers in size.. but the whole process ll take almost 6 days it seems to complete 5 lacs..  right now i'm having members around 3 lacs in mysql db so its too slow to import
06:49 cait        @ater tell owen I updated and rebased 5422_state on my repository - could you perhaps test again?
06:49 munin       cait: Error: "ater" is not a valid command.
06:49 fredericd   cait: Right/permissions will have to be reaffected
06:49 cait        @later tell owen I updated and rebased 5422_state on my repository - could you perhaps test again?
06:49 munin       cait: The operation succeeded.
06:49 praba       cait:: you could also create sql statements to fill the table??  how to do this cait ??
06:50 cait        fredericd: ok - drop you a short mail after we registered?
06:50 cait        praba: how many borrowers are you trying to load?
06:50 cait        are you matching them with existing borrowers? (this makes things slower in my experience)
06:51 fredericd   cait: yes. I count on that to make the acquaintance of translators
06:51 cait        fredericd: ok :)
06:52 praba       Totals borrowers is around 5 laacs.. already i have loaded 3 lacs to mysql db in GUI mode.. still i have 2 lacs data in different csv files .. each contains 8K to 25K in terms of number
06:52 cait        praba: what is a lacs?
06:52 praba       cait:Total borrowers is around 5 lacs.. already i have loaded 3 lacs to mysql db in GUI mode.. still i have 2 lacs data in different csv files .. each contains 8K to 25K in terms of number
06:53 fredericd   borrowers loading in generally slow. Since it's just a matter of populating one table (more if attributes), I don't understand why
06:53 fredericd   A bug could be filled for that
06:54 praba       cait: half million borrowers
06:54 cait        praba: wow
06:54 cait        that's a lot to load from the browser
06:54 praba       yea.. moreover mydb already having 3 million books
06:54 cait        perhaps you should try loading them via mysql - but be careful with your codes and numbers.
06:55 praba       cait :: is there any terminal way to import borrowers?
06:55 cait        praba: afaik ther eis no script you can use from the command line
06:56 praba       or how can i change .csv files to sql to put in DB directly..
06:56 cait        you would have to look at the table structure carefully
06:57 cait        and use a script or search/replace things to make it to sql - but perhaps someone else can help you much better with this question
06:58 praba       yea. Looking for help..
06:58 fredericd   praba: Do you speak Perl?
06:58 cait        if you can try again a bit later - people here change during the day - lots of timezones involved
06:59 fredericd   praba: Have you disabled BorrowersLog syspref?
07:04 praba       fredericd: No i didn't do that.. i ll do that now
07:05 praba       fredericd: thanks fredericd.
07:13 praba       cait: i'm matching cardnumber with existing borrowers.. how to stop matching with existing borrowers?
07:14 cait        I noticed it was slower when I chose overwrite instead of ingore at the bottom of the page - not sure it will help much.
07:15 praba       cait : I have chosen ignore if it exist
07:22 kmkale      fredericd: I created a new branch of origin/master and trying acq before applying the patch. I cant see any fields with a * while adding item to order :(
07:22 cait        kmkale: do you have an ACQ framework created?
07:23 kmkale      no
07:23 kmkale      1 min on call
07:23 cait        ah, first you can check if you have marked a subifled in your default framework as mandatory - only those should show up as mandatory in acq
07:23 cait        and you can create a new framework called ACQ and mark things mandatory for testing
07:24 cait        subfields of 952 / 995 depending on your MARC flavor
07:24 cait        ok, have to get ready for work - will be back later!
07:34 fredericd   kmkale: You can see * BUT you can also save the order with * item fiels empties
07:34 fredericd   The patch add some JavaScript which prevent saving the order with mandatory item fields empty
07:34 kmkale      fredericd: creating a acq framework now. WIll mark a few 952 fields such as price etc as mandatory and test
07:35 kmkale      then apply the patch and retest
07:35 kmkale      is that ok?
07:35 fredericd   kmkale: ok. That's it. You will see that you can save the order. That's the problem
07:35 fredericd   After applying the patch, you will get an error message
07:38 kmkale      ok. I have marked 952 $ e, g & v as mandatory for the acq framework
07:42 kmkale      fredericd: I have created a new MARC framework with code ACQ. Still when I try to add to basket in acquisition it says No ACQ framework. What am I doing wrong?
07:54 kmkale      fredericd: ?
07:55 fredericd   kmkale: It's not a problem. The bug is independant of the use framework
07:55 fredericd   Default framework is ok in this case
07:57 hdl         hi all
07:57 hdl         hi fredericd
07:58 kmkale      fredericd: but I dont see any * marks, so how will I know if its supposed to stop if these are not filled in?
07:58 fredericd   hdl: hello
07:58 fredericd   kmkale: Modify an item field of your default framework
07:58 kmkale      how do I get rid of the "No ACQ framework.." box?
07:59 fredericd   Ignore it. It's not related to the bug handled by the patch
07:59 hdl         kmkale: create a framework named ACQ
07:59 kmkale      I went to Home › Administration › MARC Frameworks  and created a new framework with code ACQ
08:00 hdl         kmkale: it will use that one for Acquisitions :D
08:00 kmkale      then I made a few fields in 952 as mandatory for the ACQ framework
08:00 kmkale      still I get "No ACQ framework in Acquisitions :(
08:04 fredericd   kmkale: I have also that... It may be another bug. I take a look. But the patch doesn't deal with that
08:05 fredericd   You can try with default framework
08:05 kmkale      ok. will try making a few 952 fields in the default framework as mandatory
08:06 kmkale      btw if i try a new catalaouging with the newly created ACQ framework I get a *Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kk/kohaclone/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 683.* error
08:07 fredericd   kmkale: Sorry I'm wrong. It works with a new created ACQ framework. No bug there. I forgot to populated my new ACQ framrwork with subfields
08:08 fredericd   Is your ACQ populated with subfields. Have you created them by copying default framework subfields?
08:08 kmkale      yes I created by copying from default framework
08:09 kmkale      deleting and retrying to create acq framework
08:09 kmkale      as I cant see a way of making default frameworks 952 fields mandatory
08:09 kmkale      ok may be I can
08:12 fredericd   great. Just modify barcode subfield
08:13 kmkale      humph. I tried to create a new ACQ framework this time by copying the Fast Add Framework. No go. Still I get "Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kk/kohaclone/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 683" when I try catalouging with it.
08:14 kmkale      anyway modifying default
08:25 kf          good morning #koha
08:32 kmkale      i think i have ran into bug 4955 here :(
08:32 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4955 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, adding to basket with no item throws error
08:34 kf          kmkale: let me check
08:35 kf          kmkale: have you selected an item type for your item?
08:35 kf          if you do it should save without error - if you forget you will get an evil looking perl or xml error
08:40 kmkale      kf: yes
08:40 kmkale      exactly
08:40 kmkale      and *lots* of messages in the error log
08:40 kf          yeah
08:41 kf          it's not good :( you could update the bug with your findings - perhaps it will push it back into people's minds too and someone will fix it.
08:45 kmkale      kf: wico
08:45 kmkale      s/wico/wilco
08:45 kf          wilco?
08:45 kmkale      fredericd: I applied the patch and it allowed me to save by just selecting the item type
08:45 kmkale      kf: will comply ;)
08:46 kf          ah :)
08:47 kmkale      fredericd: whereas in my default framework I have 952$v, g & p as mandatory
08:52 kmkale      can anyone help me with why I get "Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kk/kohaclone/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 683" when I create a new ACQ framework by from any framework such as default or fast add and  try catalouging with it?
08:59 kmkale      fredericd: perhaps the patch should also check for itemtype as suggested here.. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4955 ??
08:59 munin       04Bug 4955: critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, adding to basket with no item throws error
09:00 kf          kmkale: sorry, never seen that and have a meeting now :(
09:15 fredericd   kmkale: The JavaScript code is in the template. Do you conduct your test using 'en' templates?
09:16 kmkale      fredericd: yes
09:17 kmkale      fredericd: i checked it. the patch is applied and cleanly
09:29 marcelr     morning all, joining #koha I am looking for someone to signoff three small patches
09:34 praba       hiii ... any solution for borrower quick import?
09:35 praba       i have large number of borrowers that has to be imported in to koha
09:48 magnus      praba: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5928
10:03 praba       magnus : the given doc says the standard import.. but in my case. i have half a million patron that has to be imported into koha.. now it is taking too much time to import in GUI mode. any other alternate to this ??
10:04 magnus      praba: one alternative is to divide the huge file into smaller ones
10:04 praba       <magnus>: FYI i have already turned off borowers log.. and using "ignore if patron exists"
10:05 praba       ya.. I have splitted the files and each contains 10K to 25K
10:06 magnus      and they are still too big?
10:07 praba       file is not big but it is taking too much time to import thats the problem
10:08 praba       already 2 lakhs patron is there in DB..
10:08 magnus      hm, so you can upload, but the processing is taking too much time?
10:08 praba       ya exactly..
10:08 praba       i want to reduce the time
10:08 magnus      hm, i don't think there is a command line script for importing patrons...
10:09 praba       There is no command line solutions.. thought to try csv to sql import but high risk involves in it so keep thinking
10:10 magnus      you could create a script that turns your file into SQL-commands and then run tht against the database
10:10 magnus      importing csv into the db is as you say another option
10:11 praba       yea.. let me give a try on that.. is there any other ideas that i can try ???
10:12 magnus      i'm afraid i'm out of ideas...
10:12 magnus      btw: that sounds like an impressive amount of borrowers! ;-)
10:22 praba       ya.. and books we have around 3 million
10:29 kmkale      @weather Mumbai
10:29 munin       kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (3:40 PM IST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
10:33 magnus      @wunder bodo, norway
10:33 munin       magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (11:20 AM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
10:42 jonefuroy   hello folks!
10:42 magnus      hiya braedon|l and jonefuroy
10:43 jonefuroy   hi magnus
10:43 jonefuroy   new computer, new network and new try, but still having problems...
10:44 jonefuroy   iwe been trying to understand what im doing and not just c&p ewerything... ;)
10:44 magnus      too many new things at once? ;-)
10:44 magnus      good plan! ;-)
10:44 kf          hi magnus and jonefury
10:44 kf          junefuroy, sorry
10:45 * jonefuroy = the Fury Koha Newbie NR1
10:45 jonefuroy   :)
10:47 jonefuroy   when i run : sudo make test it seems like iwe done something really wrong...
10:48 magnus      what does it say?
10:48 jonefuroy   Failed 2/19 test programs. 2/38 subtests failed
10:48 jonefuroy   make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
10:48 jonefuroy   and a lot more... :(
10:49 kf          jonefuroy: which version?
10:49 ibot        which version are you upgraing from ?
10:49 kf          ibot?
10:49 ibot        yes, kf?
10:50 jonefuroy   koha-3.00.00
10:50 kf          that's old
10:51 jonefuroy   i try to do ewerything the howto says...just as it says it
10:51 kf          is this for production or testing?
10:51 kf          which howto are you using?
10:51 kf          the installation manuals are updated in the newer releases too
10:52 jonefuroy   testing ... and maybe learning how to install so i can use it in production later...
10:52 jonefuroy   i used this: http://everydaytechy.blogspot.com/2010/05/install-koha-30000-on-ubuntu-910.html
10:52 jonefuroy   but is it because its old i get the errors?
10:53 kf          I think the tests failing should not happen in a newer version - although it's probably not as bad as you think
10:57 magnus      i would stick with the INSTALL.*-files: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree
11:11 kf          jonefuroy: and 3.2.1 has a lot more nice features :)
11:13 kf          jonefuroy: you can download it and look at the install files like magnus suggested - ubuntu is pretty easy to install. I think the howot is perhaps not ideal - I never needed java like it suggests
11:16 jonefuroy   sorry guys!
11:16 jonefuroy   i had to take a phonecall
11:17 jonefuroy   ill try again with the newest version!
11:18 magnus      yeah, shouldn't be any reason to install java!
11:20 jonefuroy   and gstreamer aswell was maybe a bit odd?
11:24 magnus      never heard of it...
11:37 kf          me neither
11:38 jonefuroy   hmrf ...
11:41 jcamins_a   I haven't learned how to scroll back on my new computer yet, but I can definitely say that gstreamer is *not* needed by Koha.
11:41 jcamins_a   Gstreamer is used for audio on Linux.
11:54 jonefuroy   i know... strange to put that in howto...
11:55 jcamins_a   Very. I'd suggest following the instructions.
11:56 jcamins_a   I mean, the instructions that come with Koha.
11:56 kf          and ask here if you get stuck :)
11:56 jcamins_a   Right.
11:56 kf          and hi jared
11:56 jonefuroy   ok! Im stuck again... Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost
11:56 kf          :)
11:57 kf          are you at the web installer step?
11:57 jonefuroy   i'm sooo close to giving up :')
11:57 jcamins_a   Did you set a password for MySQL/
11:57 kf          jonefuroy: it's really not that hard and people will try and help you - don't give up!
11:57 jonefuroy   if i did... how can i reset it... i dont think i did... im not shure
11:57 magnus      you can do it, jonefuroy!
11:57 jcamins_a   This keyboard is going to take some getting used to...
11:58 magnus      what did you do to get the error?
11:58 kf          it's lunch time here - and I have a meeting later :(
11:58 jonefuroy   kf but i feel so stupid
11:58 jonefuroy   see ya kf ! thanks
11:58 jcamins_a   I'm trying to find the howto you used, so I can hopefully offer you non-speculative advice.
11:58 kf          hope you can solve your problems and it was hard for me too the first time (knowing nothing about linux)
11:58 kf          but now I can install koha in under an hour :)
11:59 kf          http://everydaytechy.blogspot.com/2010/05/install-koha-30000-on-ubuntu-910.html
11:59 jonefuroy   I started from scratch... newest koha following http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid;h=0ee096ed244a0b25f7b6be893723c3a5a2602bad;hb=HEAD
11:59 kf          ah
11:59 kf          ok, going to lunch - see you all later!
11:59 magnus      jonefuroy: not stupid, but learning, which is good! ;-)
12:00 magnus      jonefuroy: what did you do to get the error?
12:00 jcamins_a   jonefuroy: try running: `mysql -uroot`
12:00 jcamins_a   (without the -p)
12:00 jonefuroy   Update root MySQL password (if dselect didn't do it for you already)
12:01 jonefuroy   ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
12:02 jcamins_a   Okay.
12:02 jcamins_a   And you don't recall setting the password earlier?
12:02 jonefuroy   nope
12:03 jonefuroy   should i remove mysql and do a fresh install?
12:03 jcamins_a   Hm.
12:04 jcamins_a   The instructions from the how-to are kind of odd, so I'm not sure where this could have gone wrong.
12:04 jonefuroy   mysqladmin -u root -p create koha
12:04 jcamins_a   And you tried just hitting enter when it asks you for the password?
12:05 jonefuroy   no but check this mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
12:05 jcamins_a   Ah-ha!
12:05 jcamins_a   There we go.
12:06 jcamins_a   MySQL doesn't automatically start on Ubuntu.
12:06 jonefuroy   jeeez!
12:06 jcamins_a   It will if you restart the computer, but you can avoid that by running: sudo /etc/rc.d/mysql start
12:06 jcamins_a   I think that's right.
12:07 jcamins_a   No, like this:
12:07 jcamins_a   sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
12:07 * jcamins_a is getting his operating systems confused...
12:09 jonefuroy   hmmm new errors, but i think it maybe helped
12:10 jcamins_a   What are the errors this time?
12:11 jonefuroy   Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service mysql start  Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start mysql
12:11 jonefuroy   i did : $ service mysql start
12:11 jonefuroy   start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.3005" (uid=1000 pid=12217 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
12:11 jcamins_a   o.O
12:11 jcamins_a   Try connecting now.
12:13 jonefuroy   mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
12:13 jcamins_a   Hm.
12:13 jcamins_a   I don't know what to suggest.
12:13 jcamins_a   I also need to cook some breakfast.
12:14 jonefuroy   im dying here! cant any of you just make a cd that does ewerything by it self! (including importing my catalouge) ;)
12:14 magnus      uninstalling and reinstalling might be worth a try as a last resort
12:14 jonefuroy   thank you jcamins_a , magnus and eweryone else!
12:15 magnus      jonefuroy: there IS a cd
12:15 magnus      http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
12:15 jcamins_a   jonefuroy: if you were setting up the computer from scratch, I'd suggest just trying the install.DEBIAN instructions.
12:15 magnus      it won't import records, but should give you a running koha
12:15 jonefuroy   i know... but I wanted to do it myself...!
12:16 magnus      without the satisfaction of having done it the hard way, that is...
12:16 jonefuroy   im just being a baby! ill install dabian and begin from scratch!
12:17 magnus      nah, you are being a very determined librarian! :-)
12:17 jcamins_a   jonefuroy: if you really want Ubuntu, probably INSTALL.ubuntu works.
12:17 jonefuroy   but now i have to go! Thank you guys! I'l be back like crack!
12:18 jonefuroy   iwe tried install ubuntu 2 times now..
12:18 jonefuroy   but ill dual boot debian and ubuntu... haven't tried debian before so why not!
12:18 kmkale      hehe just got the Dell SX2210T touchscreen working with Ubuntu 10.10 Awesome!! :)
12:18 kmkale      no multitouch but still nice
12:19 jcamins_a   Good luck, jonefuroy.
12:19 jonefuroy   see ya guys! bye!
12:19 jcamins_a   You can do this! :D
12:20 jonefuroy   i would hate to proove you wrong!
12:20 kmkale      hi jcamins_a
12:20 jcamins_a   Hi, kmkale.
12:20 jcamins_a   I'm not really here.
12:20 jcamins_a   Despite the fact that I've been talking for forty-five minutes or something like that. ;)
12:20 kmkale      :)
12:21 kmkale      first ibot now ghosttalker nice going #koha
12:31 kmkale      can anyone recommend me a nice book reader software for Ubuntu? One which has good page flip animation etc?
12:32 kmkale      Want o put it on a Kiosk with this Touchscreen in the library
12:45 kf_a        sorry, I don't use reader software
12:52 kf_a        marcelr: thx for sign-off!
12:52 kf_a        marcelr++
12:57 marcelr     kf_a: got an error on your email address??
12:58 kf_a        hm?
12:59 marcelr     perhaps something with sendmail config on test server
12:59 kf_a        ah, the address looks right in the mail on koha-patches
12:59 kf_a        sorry, have to go - next meeting
12:59 * druthb    arrives, with cookies.
13:00 * jwagner   eats cookies
13:04 kmkale      so far I got ybook reader, lucidor, fbreader and calibre
13:05 kmkale      hi druthb jwagner
13:09 jwagner     Hi kmkale
13:42 * druthb    waves and offers a cookie to owen.
13:42 owen        Thanks druthb, but I'm on a diet: I only eat real cookies.
13:43 owen        So far it's a pretty awesome diet.
13:43 jwagner     owen, these ARE real cookies!  but I'm eating them all up :-)
13:43 * druthb    gets out her slingshot, loads a cookie, and aims west.
13:44 * druthb    waves to Nate.
13:45 Nate        mornin!
13:59 magnus      hiya Nate
14:00 Nate        morning magnus!
14:01 * magnus    is experiencing wind of "Near gale, 16 m/s" - but there's probably a bit more in the gusts
14:01 kf_a        morning us :)
14:03 druthb      Hi, kf_a !
14:16 * druthb    hands magnus an anchor, just in case.  Wouldn't want him to blow away!
14:16 * magnus    thanks druthb for the anchor, might come in handy
14:30 kmkale      bye all
14:37 jcamins     Good morning, #koha
14:38 magnus      hiya jcamins
14:39 druthb      hi, jcamins!
14:51 magnus      hi there sekjal
14:52 sekjal      hi, magnus
14:57 * druthb    waves to trea, and offers a cookie.
14:58 trea        \o/
14:58 * trea      loves cookies
14:59 druthb      Chocolate chip.  They're from my grocery, but they're pretty decent.
15:08 * jwagner   plots to sneak down the hall & grab yet another one....
15:08 druthb      :)  come on down.  leave problems behind.
15:13 wizzyrea    jcamins: we made your fudge last night
15:13 wizzyrea    it was guuuud
15:13 jcamins     :D
15:13 * wizzyrea  may require a candy thermometer, however.
15:13 jcamins     Isn't it easy, too?
15:14 wizzyrea    yea, it's totally easy
15:14 * jcamins   got a candy thermometer for the holidays last year.
15:14 wizzyrea    FOODNERDS
15:14 wizzyrea    :)
15:14 * jcamins   desperately wants a baking stone
15:14 jcamins     Sadly, he'll have to wait until he moves.
15:16 * wizzyrea  mutters with irritation at git. This worked last week you little wank.
15:23 hdl         @later tell nengard list koha-docs finally created...
15:23 munin       hdl: The operation succeeded.
15:24 hdl         @later tell nengard sorry for delay
15:24 munin       hdl: The operation succeeded.
15:24 sekjal      wizzyrea: I'll see your git irritation, and raise you "issues with proprietary graphics drivers on Ubuntu"
15:25 owen        No fair, Linux drivers trump just about everything
15:25 * jcamins   just switched to a Mac, and was amazed at the complete lack of problems he encountered setting it up last night
15:26 jcamins     It was almost eery.
15:28 wizzyrea    heh
15:28 wizzyrea    welcome to the dark side
15:28 wizzyrea    (we have cookies)
15:28 owen        Shiny, shiny cookies.
15:28 * wizzyrea  still loves her mac, openness and ideological arguments aside.
15:29 druthb      hmmmm.
15:29 * jcamins   installed Linux under VirtualBox, too. It took a half hour.
15:29 sekjal      for the convenience factor, I probably should have gone with Mac.  Open source is better, but it can take longer to beat into submission
15:29 * magnus    hates his mac
15:30 * magnus    thinks hate is too strong a word, but...
15:30 jcamins     Of course, the speed had less to do with the Mac-ness and more to do with the fact that the new computer is an order of magnitude more powerful than his old one.
15:38 * druthb    waves to cfouts.
15:39 hdl         hi cfouts
15:39 hdl         hi druthb
15:39 wizzyrea    …oh I feel dumb
15:39 druthb      hi, hdl.
15:39 wizzyrea    stupid spam filter
15:43 cfouts      good morning/afternoon hdl
15:51 magnus      dinnertime!
15:55 kf          hi cfouts
15:56 cfouts      greetings, kf
16:17 nengard     hi all - i'm in training say hi to the class
16:17 wizzyrea    hi from Kansas :)
16:18 nengard     i have a branch transfers limit question - it's a long one
16:18 nengard     the way i read this tool it limits letting branches checkin items from other branches - but it also mentions transfers and so i'm confused.  we want to prevent books from being transferred and we want to prevent people from checking in books at branches other than the one that owns the book
16:19 nengard     this too seems to say it will do that but we're not seeing that happen - so i want to confirm that i understand properly and if i do then i might need to report a bug
16:21 druthb      howdy, class, from Washington, DC!
16:21 wizzyrea    hmmm
16:22 nengard     not the answer i wanted :)
16:23 * druthb    doesn't have an answer, but offers cookies instead!
16:24 nengard     heh
16:25 nengard     what kind
16:26 nengard     (asked by a librarian in the room)
16:26 nengard     looks like i might have to come back when more people are around ... is it a holiday and I didn't know it?
16:27 druthb      chocolate chip! :)
16:27 wizzyrea    I always thought that branch transfers prevented a sending library from sending too many items
16:27 wizzyrea    maybe that's a misconception
16:27 druthb      No, it's not a holiday, nengard; it's just been pretty quiet this morning.
16:28 nengard     wizzyrea it's just a check box - allow or don't allow
16:28 nengard     no numbers can be entered
16:28 nengard     but the description on the page only mentions checkins - not transfers
16:29 nengard     it's all very confusing and i'm pretty sure it doesn't work in any case
16:29 wizzyrea    oh I see… looking
16:29 nengard     brb
16:30 wizzyrea    well it's by itemtype, I'm assuming you were testing with an itemtype that you set rules for?
16:32 kf          hdl: I talked to sekjal about hourly loans, it's his rfc (I think) and afaik it's not sponsored yet
16:32 sekjal      oh, yes, I just responded to that email
16:32 sekjal      yes, the RFC was written by me
16:33 sekjal      and we're working on getting some sponsorship right now, actually
16:33 kf          see it now :)
16:33 kf          and you are here
16:33 * kf        is getting tired obviously
16:35 nengard     wizzyrea - by rules you mean circ rules?
16:36 nengard     or transfer rules
16:36 nengard     we turned it off for all item types
16:36 nengard     they want no transfers or checkins
16:38 wizzyrea    and you set that for every library?
16:39 nengard     yes
16:39 nengard     oh wait - just two of them and then tested between the two
16:40 wizzyrea    then yea it sounds like it's not working for whatever reason
16:40 wizzyrea    (but I haven't tested… I've got one of my librarians on the phone >.<)
16:41 nengard     k
16:45 kf          bye all - bbl :)
17:17 jcamins     Time to eat lunch so I can get uptown by 2.
17:47 cait        hi #koha
17:48 trea        hello cait
17:52 cait        hi trea :)
18:08 chris       morning
18:09 owen        Hi chris
18:09 chris       still drinking cat pee owen?
18:10 owen        that's what everyone thought when they smelled that drink
18:10 chris       hehe
18:10 trea        wait, what?
18:10 chris       thats a particularly bad smell
18:10 owen        It's never good when people walk by your office saying 'What smells like a cat box?'
18:10 chris       hehe
18:10 chris       http://www.emergenc.com/index.php/products/original/acai-berry
18:11 owen        trea: Someone gave me some of that stuff
18:11 trea        oh dear
18:11 trea        i actually have some orange flavored emergen-c in my cupboard at home
18:12 trea        apparently the acai berry smells like a cat box?
18:12 owen        Yup. Who knew?
18:12 trea        guess that's the price you pay for antioxidants
18:14 owen        [off] If I'm going to get into cat pee I'd rather it be for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Boobage
18:16 chris       heh
18:17 * druthb    remembers now why she never quite managed to get into South Park...
18:18 chris       if you werent into it by the 9th season .. you were never going to be :)
18:19 chris       the world of warcraft episode though ... that was something approaching art
18:19 trea        it was pretty awesome that blizzard agreed to give them a server and the help to get that one done
18:20 chris       yep
18:20 * druthb    is old enough, of course, to remember both the first season of South Park, and the first season of it's...ermm...predecessor in youthful humor, Beavis & Butt-Head.
18:20 chris       smart
18:20 chris       i liked the lord of the rings one too
18:39 chris       @wunder wellington nz
18:39 munin       chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
18:39 chris       Gonna be hot
18:42 cait        @wunder Konstanz
18:42 munin       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.1�C (7:40 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
18:42 cait        brrrr
18:42 chris       druthb: 2nd test starts today
18:43 chris       Brr is right
18:46 cfouts      cait: I was reading the snow is causing a bit of chaos in parts of Germany right now. Are you in the midst of that?
18:47 cait        cfouts: it's still ok down here I think
18:47 cait        worse in the north - I am on the south border
18:47 cait        travelling by train on the weekend - hope I will not have any trouble
18:48 cfouts      trains ought to be able to plow through, I would hope
18:48 cait        I don't know what the problem is - but they get late
19:01 wizzyrea    @wunder lawrence ks
19:01 munin       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 10.7�C (1:01 PM CST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).
19:02 cait        @wunder Konstanz
19:02 munin       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.3�C (8:00 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
19:02 owen        @wunder 45701
19:02 munin       owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 1.1�C (2:00 PM EST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
19:02 cait        getting colder hmpf
19:02 owen        Better to be in KS today than here
19:02 druthb      @wunder 20817
19:02 munin       druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 4.0�C (2:03 PM EST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
19:04 cait        ah, the heading says it's because the routing switches(?) freeze
19:04 cait        that's because the trains get late
19:04 cait        that's the reason...
19:08 cait        @wunder bode, norway
19:08 munin       cait: The current temperature in Farm Acreage, Bode, Iowa is -2.0�C (1:07 PM CST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
19:08 cait        @wunder bodo, norway
19:08 munin       cait: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (7:50 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
19:09 owen        Looks like quite a place: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bode,+ia&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bode,+Humboldt,+Iowa&gl=us&ei=0-73TKCAHcOclge0_9yqAg&oi=geocode_result&ved=0CBcQ8gEwAA&z=14
19:09 druthb      Looks like the town I grew up in...eeeeety bitty.
19:14 cait        brr -17!!!
19:14 * cait      is watching the weather report for tonight
19:14 moodaepo    @wunder 56001
19:14 munin       moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -5.7�C (1:15 PM CST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).  Winter Storm Watch in effect from Friday afternoon through Saturday morning...
19:21 sekjal      holds question
19:22 sekjal      for holds that have been waiting longer than the ReserveMaxPickUpDelay system preference number of days, what should be done with them?
19:23 sekjal      the Holds Awaiting Pickup screen's 'Over' tab just lists them, and provides a Cancel button, but there doesn't seem to be a way to bulk or automatically cancel them, if there are a lot
19:26 richard     hi
19:26 ibot        what's up, richard
19:27 cait        sekjal: you have to take them from the shelf - not sure it's something you want to do automagically
19:27 druthb      ibot:  botsnack cookie
19:27 ibot        :)
19:28 cait        perhaps a field that takes the barcode and cancel the hold would be nice
19:28 cait        ok, changing laptops, will be back in a few minutes
19:37 * druthb    heads for the bus stop.
19:40 cait        back
19:40 cait        @wunder Konstanz
19:40 munin       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.6�C (8:40 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
20:09 hdl         hi all
20:11 wizzyrea    hi hdl :)
20:13 hdl         hi wizzyrea howdy ?
20:14 wizzyrea    I'm doing well, and you? Almost Friday!
20:15 hdl         yes... working (9PM here.)
20:53 darling     happy friday morning, kohaland
20:53 wizzyrea    :) happy friday darling (that still sounds funny to me)
20:53 darling     hehe
20:53 darling     yeah
20:53 darling     it'll do that
21:36 robin       http://advent.wellingtonnz.com/ <-- for anyone still missing Wellington...
21:40 darling     ooo, 2 for 1 mojo coffee
21:41 darling     i miss the wellington where you could walk down the street w/out getting run over by buses as often
21:42 robin       yeah. I still haven't been hit, but I know it's going to happen soon.
21:43 richard     interestng that they don't show busses on the image
21:43 darling     oooo, I feel some gimp fixes coming on...
21:44 wizzyrea    at least it's only busses
21:45 wizzyrea    seriously, here, you'd just as soon be hit by one car, then another and another if you tried to walk anywhere
21:45 wizzyrea    we don't design for people, we design for cars.
21:45 darling     wizzyrea, they're very big buses
21:45 robin       and very fast
21:45 wizzyrea    I know!
21:45 wizzyrea    better than 10 cars though!
21:45 wizzyrea    at least you have a chance to dodge between them
21:46 darling     true
21:46 wizzyrea    but, I do feel your pain, I really liked being able to walk around so easily and not fear for my life from cars all the time
21:47 darling     it's sure different, and nice, is why it's been so annoying when they removed one of the pedestrian malls
21:47 darling     is still better than a lot of places for sure
21:47 wizzyrea    I keep hoping that they'll turn our downtown into a pedestrian mall
21:47 wizzyrea    pretty unlikely though
22:16 mib_mike    Hi guy
22:16 mib_mike    I was having problems reindexing my catalog.
22:17 mib_mike    To make it work, I deleted some records with bad marc
22:17 mib_mike    When I say "deleted" I mean via mysql, not koah.
22:18 mib_mike    It looks like some one deleted the corresponding item records using koha, as they are in the deleteditems database.
22:19 mib_mike    One of the original biblio records has been recreated, and I'd like to add the deleted items to it.
22:19 mib_mike    What would be a good way to do that?
22:22 mib_mike    One at a time! Please!
22:24 gmcharlt    mib_mike: roughly speaking, insert into items select newbiblionumber, newbiblioitemnumber, other, other, columns from deleteditems where itemnumber = foo;
22:24 gmcharlt    then run the isync_items_in_marc_bib.pl script
22:24 gmcharlt    sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl, rather
22:29 mib_mike    Thanks, gmcharlt.  What does sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl do?
22:29 gmcharlt    ensures that the item data is embedded in the bib record so that it can be indexed
22:30 mib_mike    Thanks again, that will solve my problem.
23:41 munin       New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4908: rename temlate variable to branchname <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb032138e72a6428e404d9f3593430b7fd989f45> / Fix for Bug 4908 - OPAC patron details page doesn't show patron's home library <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d86c4aa8943054be2b94990c9778eacff9ec4259> / Bug 5104: Add control number as search option to acq z39.50 search <http://git.koha
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