Time Nick Message 00:08 wasabi http://codicesoftware.blogspot.com/2010/11/linus-on-branching.html 01:30 robin 245 _aARRAY(0x13ce3b68) 01:30 robin _cP.R. Fry 01:30 robin I may have a bug... 01:31 jcamins New record? 01:31 robin no, one I'm making with my conversion script 01:31 jcamins Hm. 01:33 jcamins Then I have no idea. 01:34 robin I do have an idea. Which is good, because it's my fault to start with. 01:41 chris heh 02:22 chris @wunder wellington nz 02:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 02:22 chris and sun for the xmas party :) 02:34 * druthb waves to trea. 02:34 chris hi trea 02:34 * trea waves 02:40 trea ibot druthb? 02:40 ibot rumour has it druthb is fond of cookies 02:41 druthb :D 02:41 trea botsnack ibot cookie 02:41 trea ibot botsnack cookie 02:41 ibot :) 02:41 trea there we go 02:42 druthb ibot: trea? 02:42 ibot trea is a fan of bot fights 02:42 druthb ibot: wizzyrea? 02:42 ibot wizzyrea is a ray of sunshine 02:42 druthb :D 02:42 trea ibot kansas? 02:42 ibot trea: wish i knew 02:43 trea ibot kansas? 02:43 ibot kansas is not completely flat 02:52 Brooke hmph 02:52 Brooke were we down? 02:53 chris network glitch 02:55 Brooke beware: the law school folks gave meh coffee. 02:57 bfleming For those of you that know Lee at the Butte Library here in Montana I thought I should pass on that they had a nasty flood last night and will be shut down completely for several weeks for cleanup and repairs 02:58 Brooke oh crud 02:58 Brooke that stinks 02:59 bfleming yes it does 02:59 robin oh hey, I'm back 02:59 robin did my link get though? 02:59 bfleming Pipe burst for the fire suppression system so countless gallons of water under high pressure filled a few floors 03:00 robin saw that. Not fun :/ 03:00 robin http://www.hudson-labs.org/content/whos-driving-thing <-- [resend in case the outage stopped it] sound familiar? 03:00 wasabi yow, that sounds like some serious water :/ 03:02 chris robin: yeah that came through this morning, lots of similarities 03:02 wasabi a quick parse says 'yes' to me 03:03 wasabi no DNS fight for hudson tho...? 03:03 wasabi s/dns/domain/ 03:05 robin not mentioned, anyway. But still trademark related things. 03:05 robin In this case, it seems Oracle is being more agressive about it. 03:05 robin Rather than passive-agressive 03:05 wasabi aah, i read more….. 03:05 wasabi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_(software) 03:06 wasabi http://hudson-ci.org/ 03:06 chris yeah we use it lots 03:06 chris http://hudson.koha-community.org/ 03:06 chris but it will just be mambo vs joomla 03:06 chris the one with the people actually doing the work 03:06 chris always wins 03:08 wasabi yeah, i agree 03:23 jcamins Good night, #koha 03:24 Brooke night 03:25 * Brooke waves to pianohack 03:25 pianohack 'allo 03:25 pianohack How's it going? 03:25 * Brooke is restless. 03:26 pianohack restless, huh? What's up? 03:27 Brooke lawyers fed me coffee. 03:27 Brooke (and steak. And salad. And other stuff :)) 03:36 chris_n @wunder 28334 03:36 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 19.4�C (10:36 PM EST on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Steady). 03:36 Brooke oooh nice and warm. 03:36 chris_n nice and tornadic later :-( 03:37 Brooke pfft, they threaten tornadoes and hurricanes so often it's lost all meaning ;) 03:39 chris_n pretty impressive embedded squall line building: http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/southeast.php 03:39 chris_n and lots of energy to work with, so we shall see 03:40 * Brooke thinks someone has to inform NOAA that the great commonwealth of Virginia is not in the North, y'all. 03:41 Brooke though perhaps NOAA's radars are powered from George Mason turning in his grave ;) 03:58 brendan heya pianohack 03:58 pianohack Hi brendan 04:21 kmkale good morning all 04:21 Brooke morning! 04:32 kmkale hi Brooke 04:32 Brooke what's shakin? 04:50 pianohack Have a good evening, #koha 04:50 Brooke night 05:12 * Brooke waves at indradg 05:37 cait good morning #koha 05:40 wizzyrea_ good morning cait 05:40 wizzyrea_ what's new in germany? 05:41 cait hi liz :) 05:41 cait haven't looked out of the windows yet 05:41 chris_n heya cait and wizzyrea_ 05:41 cait hope no snow 05:41 cait hi chris_n 05:49 kmkale hi cait wizzyrea_ chris_n 05:49 cait hi kmkale 05:49 chris_n howdy kmkale 06:49 hdl hi chris_n 06:49 hdl hi cait hi wizzyrea 06:49 hdl and all 06:50 kmkale hi hdl 07:09 cait hi hdl 07:47 cait bbl 07:54 kmkale hi magnus 07:54 magnus hiya kmkale & #koha 07:55 magnus hi Elwell 08:29 kf hi #koha 08:31 magnus hiya kf 08:34 kf hi magnus 08:36 bigbrovar hi kf> magnus> 08:37 bigbrovar Bonjour #koha 08:37 kf hi bigbrovar 08:38 bigbrovar kf: is it ok to ask u a couple of questions about koha and general library management 08:39 kf you can always ask your questions here - don't ask to ask :) 08:39 bigbrovar lol 08:39 bigbrovar I what OS do u use for your desktop pc 08:40 ivanc hi #koha 08:42 magnus hiya ivanc 08:42 ivanc hiya magnus 08:51 kf bigbrovar: we use windows at our desktops - but the nice thing about koha is, that it doesn't really matter much 08:51 kf you only need a system where you can run a browser, fireworks works great 08:51 kf firefox 09:02 bigbrovar kf: how do u go about generating barcodes for your library items. I looking to having the items here barcoded but that area is a complete grey area for me. 09:03 kf bigbrovar: I work at a library service provider - we have a speciel printer to produce barcodes for libraries 09:03 kf a lot of libraries order their barcodes from us 09:05 bigbrovar oh ok. I was looking to generating one locally here. Its a very small library and very little cash so we try to dyi alot of things so we can have money for books :) 09:06 bigbrovar I don't directly work for the library. just a sysadmin who comes in to help out. 09:10 kf I can understand that :) 09:11 kf but our libraries use rfid or get preprinted barcodes so I have no experience in printing them 09:22 kmkale wondering why on my system firefox with 5 tabs is taking much more memory that the entire eclipse ide with a project running :( 09:35 ivanc kmkale: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers 09:40 kmkale ivanc: thanks. This will also help on our colleges thin clients :) 09:50 ivanc kmkale: your welcome :) 09:51 kmkale ivanc: any similar trick to reduce cpu usage? 09:51 kmkale of firefox.. 09:52 ivanc kmkale: blocking flash will improve the performance 09:52 ivanc http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ 09:53 kmkale wow but that will probably lead to a students march against me ;) 09:54 ivanc kmkale: here some trick http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox%20consumes%20a%20lot%20of%20CPU%20resources?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=CPU+usage 09:54 ivanc kmkale: probably :) 12:08 kmkale @weather Mumbai 12:08 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (5:10 PM IST on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 12:12 nengard morning all - quick question before i head to training ... at some point I deleted a section of the manual ... how do i find out where I did that so I can grab the bits I lost from the manual? 12:13 nengard the section is 'batch item modification' if that helps -- the section header is still there just no content 12:13 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary 12:21 nengard okay got to head out ... but if anyone sees that and wants to message me to tell me how to find my mistake that would be great 12:30 druthb :) 12:37 kmkale hey druthb :) 12:37 druthb hi, kmkale. :) 12:49 jwag_mtg OK, it's blackmail. 12:49 jwagner druthb++ 12:50 * druthb does a happy-dance. 12:50 * jwagner and new phones don't get along.... 12:50 * druthb is a geek. 12:50 druthb @karma druthb 12:50 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 43 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 43. 12:51 druthb @karma sekjal 12:51 munin druthb: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 44 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 43. 12:51 druthb oooooooo 12:51 kf druthb## 12:51 kf druthb++ 12:52 kf better now? ;) 12:52 druthb :D 12:52 * druthb happy-dances some more. 12:53 * druthb is in a silly mood today; beware. 12:54 * kmkale wishes #android-dev was as nice as #koha 12:55 jwagner @karma jwagner 12:55 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 50 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 50. 12:55 druthb ibot: botsnack cookie 12:55 ibot :) 12:55 jwagner Harrumph 12:56 druthb jwagner: jwagnersnack cookie. :) 12:56 * jwagner asks if you brought some in 12:57 druthb I was going to, but this weather...soggy cookies are no fun. Tomorrow, perhaps, if this rain will stop. 12:57 druthb @quote random 12:57 munin druthb: Quote #56: "* jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs." (added by gmcharlt at 01:34 PM, February 11, 2010) 12:58 druthb @quote random 12:58 munin druthb: Quote #105: "* wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add good morning to all of your patches." (added by gmcharlt at 04:11 PM, November 24, 2010) 13:05 magnus good morning druthb & jwagner 13:05 jwagner Morning, magnus 13:05 druthb Hi, magnus! :) 13:10 kf @quote random 13:10 munin kf: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009) 13:10 kf @quote random 13:10 munin kf: Quote #99: "slef: #kohaaaaargh for PTFS blog posts?" (added by wizzyrea at 07:10 PM, October 11, 2010) 13:11 kf @quote random 13:11 munin kf: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010) 13:11 druthb lol 13:11 magnus hee hee 13:12 druthb @quote random 13:12 munin druthb: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 13:12 magnus passes virtual figs around for anyone who wants some 13:13 druthb ooooo! thanks, magnus. 13:16 druthb @quote random 13:16 munin druthb: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) 13:18 druthb @wunder 20817 13:18 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 17.1�C (8:18 AM EST on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning... 13:18 druthb hi, owen. :) 13:18 owen Hi 13:18 owen @wunder 45701 13:18 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 0.0�C (8:10 AM EST on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). 13:19 owen Also: the snow. 13:19 kf @wunder Konstanz 13:19 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0�C (2:00 PM CET on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.46 in 997 hPa (Falling). 13:20 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 13:20 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (1:20 PM CET on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 13:21 owen Always fun when Norway has nicer weather than here. 13:21 * magnus was just out walking the dogs - followed in the steps of a moose and got flown over by an eagle 13:22 kmkale hi owen magnus kf jwagner 13:22 magnus hi kmkale, Nate & owen 13:22 Nate Hi magnus and everyone 13:23 kf hi kmkale 13:23 jwagner Hi kmkale 13:37 schuster drat I missed the weather call - 13:37 schuster @wunder 75035 13:37 munin schuster: The current temperature in Custer Creek Farms, Frisco, Texas is 1.7�C (7:30 AM CST on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1028.7 hPa (Steady). 13:38 schuster morning everyone... 13:38 sekjal morning, schuster 13:38 kf morning schuster 13:38 kf hi sekjal 13:39 sekjal hi, kf! 13:39 magnus hiya sekjal & schuster 13:39 sekjal hi, magnus! 14:04 chris_n @later tell nengard it looks like the section heading was added in commit 4beb6c2f44f5bb0da838638d626b1e3c0eeb4fbd 14:04 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 14:05 chris_n @later tell nengard but then it also looks like a later commit adds it again, but I never see a commit adding content under that heading 14:05 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 14:06 chris_n @later tell nengard you can use something like $git log -S'Batch modify' to look for commits containing the string 'Batch modify' 14:06 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 14:30 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:31 kf hi jcamins :) 14:31 kf documentation question: do we still have the table with the item subfields and explanations somewhere? 14:44 kmkale bye all 14:46 jcamins documentation? 14:46 ibot documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 14:46 jcamins Love that! 14:46 druthb ibot: jcamins? 14:46 ibot jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. 14:47 druthb jcamins is also well-traveled and brilliant. 14:47 ibot okay, druthb. 14:47 jcamins kf: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/index.php?ch=x8239#AEN8702 14:51 kf jcamins++ :) 15:14 magnus hiya trea 15:14 trea magnus! hello 15:22 druthb hi, trea! :) 15:22 wizzyrea trea? 15:22 ibot rumour has it trea is a ukulele aficionado 15:22 * druthb giggles. 15:22 druthb wizzyrea? 15:22 ibot wizzyrea is a mom 15:24 kf wizzyrea? 15:24 ibot somebody said wizzyrea was a ray of sunshine 15:24 trea heheh 15:24 druthb :) 15:26 magnus ugh, what's the thing with Graphics::Magick again? "./koha_perl_deps.pl -u -m" tells me i have 1.1.11 and need 1.3.5. "sudo apt-get install libgraphics-magick-perl" tells me i have the most recent version and "sudo cpan Graphics::Magick" tells me "Cannot install Graphics::Magick, don't know what it is"... 15:42 wizzyrea jcamins: about? 15:42 jcamins I am. 15:42 jcamins magnus: OS? 15:42 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Preparing_your_system I need assistance brainstorming what should go on this wiki page 15:43 jcamins Hm. 15:43 wizzyrea I've only just started 15:43 jcamins What's build-essential? 15:43 wizzyrea make tools 15:43 jcamins Ah. 15:44 wizzyrea basically, if you have a component that needs make to compile, you need build-essential 15:44 jcamins I see. 15:44 * jcamins didn't even realize there was a way to avoid installing make, et. al. 15:44 jcamins There should be a note that a working Internet connection is needed. 15:45 wizzyrea (i might be doing it wrong) every time I've done a debian netinst I've had to install build-essential separately 15:45 magnus jcamins: sorry, debian 5.0.6 15:46 jcamins magnus: That's... Lenny? 15:47 magnus jcamins: yeah, should be 15:49 jcamins magnus: I can't remember quite. 16:00 * jcamins would seem to be a bit distracted today... when I remember, I'll leave you a message with munin 16:02 magnus thanks for trying jcamins ;-) 16:03 wizzyrea magnus: The dependency is actually for libgraphics-magick-perl. 16:03 wizzyrea Colin 16:03 wizzyrea does that help? 16:03 wizzyrea it was on the list 16:04 wizzyrea also this: http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg00141.html 16:06 magnus ah, that last one looks like it might do the trick - i'll try! thanks! ;-) 16:06 wizzyrea looks like it might be for ubunt 16:06 wizzyrea u 16:11 magnus wizzyrea: right you are - guess i'm really too tired to do this now... 16:12 owen What happens if you "clean" a batch of records which has been imported? 16:13 owen "Cleaning" a batch which has only been staged removes them from the reservoir, yes? 16:14 pasajeros good afternoon #koha 16:15 pasajeros (from the netherlands) 16:15 pasajeros question regarding 3.2.0 16:15 pasajeros on debian lenny 16:15 wizzyrea owen: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/index.php?ch=x5804 16:15 pasajeros wizzyrea: i read that 16:15 wizzyrea To clean items out of the 'reservoir': 16:15 wizzyrea Visit the main screen of the Manage Staged MARC Records tool 16:16 pasajeros it's about the graphics::Magick 16:16 wizzyrea To clean a batch, click the 'Clean' button to the right 16:16 wizzyrea You will be presented with a confirmation message 16:16 pasajeros 1.1.11 and 1.3.5 16:16 wizzyrea sorry passajeros, that was for owen 16:16 wizzyrea what OS? 16:16 pasajeros debian lenny 16:16 wizzyrea pasajeros: what OS? 16:16 owen wizzyrea: What what is the different bewteen cleaning a staged batch and cleaning an imported batch? 16:16 wizzyrea der you said that sorry 16:17 pasajeros in may you had this same problem 16:17 wizzyrea did I? (lol) 16:17 pasajeros yeah you did lol 16:18 pasajeros apollo@olympia:~/source$ ./koha_perl_deps.pl -u -m 16:18 pasajeros Module Name Current Version Required Version Module Required 16:18 pasajeros -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16:18 pasajeros Graphics::Magick 0 * 1.3.5 No 16:18 pasajeros -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16:18 pasajeros Total modules reported: 1 * Module is missing or requires an upgrade. 16:18 pasajeros apollo@olympia:~/source$ 16:18 pasajeros I only can install 1.1.11 16:18 magnus pasajeros: i'm struggling with the exact same thing, i think... 16:19 pasajeros can i work around this? 16:19 pasajeros magnus: cool, i'm not alone 16:19 jcamins Oh. 16:19 jcamins Errr... here's why I couldn't remember. 16:20 jcamins GraphicsMagick isn't required. 16:20 jcamins I don't use it on any of my servers. 16:20 wizzyrea it's only if you want patron pictures 16:20 wizzyrea iirc 16:20 jcamins pasajeros: I think it's just for patron pictures. 16:20 pasajeros bu how can i remove it from the requirements? 16:20 jcamins And wizzyrea types faster than I do. 16:20 jcamins pasajeros: just ignore it. 16:20 jcamins The message is a warning not an error. 16:20 pasajeros but perl Makefile.PL just quits 16:21 magnus could it be related to barcodes too, or is that just GD? 16:21 pasajeros saying it needs it 16:21 magnus hm, sure it quits? 16:21 pasajeros it's actually not perl Makefile.PL, but the upgrade command 16:21 jcamins pasajeros: IIRC, perl Makefile.PL doesn't report that it's done. 16:22 pasajeros perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 16:22 magnus it usually hints about missing modules at the end, but it should finish none the less 16:22 pasajeros ok, let me try again ..... 16:23 pasajeros you're right ! 16:23 pasajeros thanks 16:23 pasajeros stupid me 16:24 magnus Makefile.PL could probably be a bit clearer... ;-) 16:24 wizzyrea not stupid :) 16:24 pasajeros :) thanks 16:24 pasajeros making .... 16:24 pasajeros bye from the snow 16:25 pasajeros in the netherlands 16:26 wizzyrea you know what 16:26 wizzyrea I dont' think the G:M thing is a big deal, I think everything still works with the lower version 16:27 magnus i suspect that too, but i thought i'd get to the bottom of it for once - oh well, some other day... ;-) 16:27 wizzyrea hehe 16:27 wizzyrea ok 16:27 wizzyrea here's what I do know about ti 16:27 wizzyrea it* 16:27 wizzyrea the package in squeeze is the newer version 16:28 wizzyrea and (I think) there is no package for lenny with that same version. 16:28 wizzyrea at least, that's what I culled form the conversation we had in may 16:28 wizzyrea (I had to look it up) 16:31 magnus guess that makes sense in a way... 16:33 magnus guess that is what is meant by this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgraphics-magick-perl 16:33 magnus 1.1.11 is available for lenny and 1.3.12 for squeeze 16:34 wizzyrea and 1.3.5 is (!) only on sid 16:35 magnus right 16:37 magnus ok, dinnertime - thanks for helping folks! 16:53 kf dinner is a good keyword 16:53 kf bbl! 16:55 wizzyrea dinner? 16:55 ibot well, dinner is a good keyword 16:55 wizzyrea rofl 16:56 wizzyrea GraphicsMagic is Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, and 1.3.5 in Sid. 16:56 wizzyrea GraphicsMagic? 16:56 ibot it has been said that GraphicsMagic is Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, and 1.3.5 in Sid. 16:56 wizzyrea ibot: forget GraphicsMagic 16:56 ibot wizzyrea: I forgot graphicsmagic 16:56 wizzyrea GraphicsMagick is is Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, and 1.3.5 in Sid. 16:56 wizzyrea GraphicsMagick? 16:56 ibot GraphicsMagick is is Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, and 1.3.5 in Sid. 16:56 jcamins fudge? 16:56 ibot fudge is very yummy! 16:58 wizzyrea GraphicsMagick is also Version 1.3.5 in Ubuntu Lucid. 16:58 ibot okay, wizzyrea. 16:58 wizzyrea GraphicsMagick? 16:58 ibot GraphicsMagick is is Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, and 1.3.5 in Sid. or Version 1.3.5 in Ubuntu Lucid. 16:58 wizzyrea there 16:58 jcamins Typos? 16:59 jcamins typos are inevitable. 16:59 jcamins typos? 16:59 ibot typos are inevitable. 16:59 wizzyrea manual? 16:59 ibot i think manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 16:59 wizzyrea i love that. 17:00 jcamins Me too. 17:00 jcamins ibot++ 17:00 wizzyrea forget GraphicsMagick 17:00 ibot wizzyrea: I forgot graphicsmagick 17:00 jcamins @karma ibot 17:00 munin jcamins: Karma for "ibot" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 17:02 wizzyrea GraphicsMagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11. 17:02 wizzyrea graphicsmagick? 17:02 ibot well, graphicsmagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11. 17:02 druthb wizzyrea++ 17:03 wizzyrea ^.^ 17:03 wizzyrea druthb: any thoughts on a document of this nature? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Preparing_your_system 17:03 wizzyrea How do you prepare a system for koha? 17:03 wizzyrea (before starting the install instructions) 17:04 wizzyrea you specifically* 17:04 wizzyrea i usually have to install ssh, but I might be doing it wrong. 17:04 druthb When I've set up "naked" servers, I just install Debian's standard server packages, but *not* database, webserver, etc... If you choose "Database", it install postgres, too... 17:05 druthb SSH, yeah, and sudo, usually. 17:05 wizzyrea oh good one 17:05 wizzyrea yea 17:05 wizzyrea sudo 17:05 wizzyrea i always like having locate, can't remember if you have to install it 17:05 druthb Darn near everything is in the install packages file, so just follow the install instructions from there. I've never had to CPAN in more than one or two things. 17:06 wizzyrea right… I'm just thinking of the things that come *before* that 17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: I just start with step 1. 17:06 wizzyrea to answer the "why can't I sudo?" 17:06 druthb I've done it with the standard-server install, plus SSH and sudo. Worked fine. 17:06 wizzyrea type of basic question 17:07 wizzyrea I thought I ran up against one of the modules that wouldn't isntall without make (build-essential) 17:07 druthb I haven't had that problem on lenny, which is what I installed most-recently. 17:07 wizzyrea hmm 17:07 * wizzyrea will try again 17:08 wizzyrea (because now I just install it on force of habit) 17:08 wizzyrea (and don't think about it 17:08 wizzyrea ) 17:08 wizzyrea where it = build-essential 17:10 wizzyrea so you install mysql after the server so you don't get postgres too? 17:10 druthb Haven't had to do any installs like that in a while..probably worth doing from time to time, to thoroughly test the process and instructions. 17:10 wizzyrea < does it for just that reason ;) 17:10 druthb It's in the packages.debian-lenny file included, so it gets installed with all that stuff. 17:10 wizzyrea derr. 17:10 wizzyrea of course it is. 17:10 wizzyrea so you just install the OS, and let the packages file do apache and mysql 17:11 druthb exactly. 17:11 wizzyrea ok, well here's something else about that — I heard one single complaint that we shouldn't be telling people to run shell scripts as root. Discuss. 17:11 druthb I don't want *anything* that Koha or the OS doesn't need eating resource of any sort. 17:12 druthb Some things, you really don't have a choice but to sudo it or run it as root. I prefer sudo, but that's a matter of style. 17:13 druthb (there's a mild security thing--if you prevent root logins totally, that secures that account, and makes the system a small bit harder to attack. In which case, you have to have sudo. 17:14 wizzyrea right, I think the complaint was perhaps against even telling people to do it with sudo, i'm not sure 17:14 wizzyrea but 17:14 wizzyrea I was of the same camp as you: it's no biggie. 17:14 wizzyrea (and should be expanded!) 17:15 druthb Once some things are installed, Koha can be run in user-space, easily enough, and that is, in fact, my preferred means of doing so. I don't do "standard" installs, hardly ever. 17:15 nengard hi #koha from VT (on lunch break) 17:16 druthb hi, nengard. 17:17 * wizzyrea goes to try it druthb's way 17:17 jcamins Yay! Our intern just asked me about getting involved with Koha! 17:18 wizzyrea ^.^ 17:21 wizzyrea so, druthb, a "professional" installing koha, would probably never do a standard install 17:22 druthb It doesn't lend itself to installing multiple instances on one piece of hardware. dev installs in user space do. 17:22 wizzyrea but for a single library? 17:22 jcamins Lunch time. 17:22 jcamins BRB 17:22 wizzyrea one install, one box? Would you still suggest a dev install? 17:22 wizzyrea you, specifically 17:23 wizzyrea I'm a question machine today ;) 17:23 druthb yep. makes updating to later code easy, too, since it's still under git control. "git pull", then do updatedatabase, and start checkin' stuff. 17:24 wizzyrea ^ is what I think too 17:25 * druthb is out to lunch...back dreckly. 17:40 cait hi #koha 17:40 wizzyrea hey cait 17:40 trea hello cait 17:41 cait hi wizzyrea and trea :) 17:49 wizzyrea heeheehee 17:49 wizzyrea http://perladvent.pm.org/2010/ 17:57 nengard holy crap how did i lose an entire section of the manual? I have gone back over 6 months of commits and I can't find when that content was actually in the manual - but I know it was ... what did I do??? 18:05 jcamins wizzyrea: nifty. 18:06 jcamins Aww. Only one of them works. 18:16 jcamins Oh, I bet it's only the first day of advent. 18:20 cait nengard: which chapter is missing? 18:29 chris wizzyrea: i never do dev installs on production machines 18:29 chris we use packages 18:29 cait hi chris 18:29 chris much safer, and less likely to break when someone removes a user 18:29 chris and thus much less likely to get me stabbed by sysadmins 18:29 chris userspace = not right 18:29 cait ah 18:30 cait is this the only problem? 18:30 cait because we are not using the packages ;) 18:30 chris well, there is always a danger when you git pull you get conflicts and the whole system is dead 18:30 chris while you fix 18:30 chris i use dev install, when im doing dev 18:30 cait hm makes sense 18:31 cait we always make a snapshot before we do an update 18:31 brendan hopuceth 18:31 chris when im working on someone elses machine 18:31 chris its bad form to put production code in my userspace 18:32 chris and the packages are so easy to build from any branch that was based on master 18:32 chris you can even get the local it person to do an apt-get upgrade for you 18:32 chris or, puppet can do it 18:33 chris but im perhaps more paranoid than you guys :) 18:33 chris the general rule of thumb tho is 18:33 chris if i resign and my users get removed from machines 18:33 chris stuff shouldnt break :) 18:34 jcamins That's why I have separate users. 18:35 chris thats why i use debian packages :) 18:35 chris right bbl 18:47 chris_n nengard: you can also do '$git checkout -b <committish>' to create a branch off of a commit 18:48 chris_n nengard: perhaps a branch off of a commit in the past where you think the info was in your repo might verify that 18:48 chris_n there is also 'git bisect' as well 18:49 chris_n which basically does a binary search through your history enabling you to locate a "bad" commit 18:51 chris Having a known good point helps tho 18:52 chris_n right 18:52 chris_n which is really the problem afaict in this case 18:53 chris Yep 18:53 chris_n I could not see that the content was ever there 18:54 chris_n but a bad merge could have caused that I think 18:56 chris Hmm nope 18:56 chris If it was there the history would have it 18:57 chris Ud have to get in their and rewrite the history 18:57 chris Which is non trivial 19:08 * druthb returns, full of Mongolian barbecue. 19:08 cait mmmh 19:08 cait jcamins: around? 19:12 jcamins I am. 19:13 Brooke therefore I think? 19:13 jcamins Brooke: at least one of us does, today. :) 19:13 * Brooke has been rightfully accused of thinking too much. 19:16 jcamins cait++ # for progress on bug 5158 19:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors 19:16 cait hehe jcamins++ for the recipe :) 19:19 Brooke dude, munin, unfair assigning that to jcamins. I am *totally* more qualified for that commit. 19:19 Brooke no botsnack for joo. 19:20 druthb Brooke: Brookesnack cookie. 19:20 Brooke My favourite. NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM 19:20 Brooke brb 19:21 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4839 19:21 munin 04Bug 4839: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED, System pref for MARC field 008 authorities; additional logic for position 14 19:21 chris check the patch status 19:24 wizzyrea jcamins: must. make. that. 19:25 jcamins It's very good. 19:26 jcamins I brought some raspberry fudge in. 19:27 trea awww now i want fudge 19:27 trea ark 19:27 trea afk* 19:27 jcamins o.O trea has all the ingredients right at hand? 19:27 trea heh, we do have a stove in our breakroom 19:28 trea it even works 19:29 Brooke http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/2010/11/cashew-nut-fudge.html 19:31 trea must try this recipe 19:32 Brooke can vouch for the Chef's skill, but alas, not her character. *duck* 19:33 * jcamins thinks his recipe may be getting close. 19:33 jcamins (to perfect) 19:34 * Brooke prolly has a "perfect" one a degree of separation away, but is holding out. 19:37 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fixes bug 5232: Shelfname won't display on high-numbered lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31439fc51adc7e32a2eff6608bf91e08fcbf0ade> 19:42 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=cf_patch_status&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=Needs%20Signoff 19:42 chris this list will grow as i update bugs, but this is how i am going to track patches awaiting qa/sign off 19:46 hudsonbot Starting build 181 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:47 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4449: AllowHoldPolicyOverride does not override all hold policies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e8b078651624cee7bc4f86e206cf36c8ace9c4d> 19:49 cait ah, the pull down was hiding from me 19:51 cait I will add mine to your list, ok? 19:51 * Brooke threaten's Cait's pull down with the wrath of doom. 19:51 cait lol 19:51 chris i think i might have already done it, but if not go for it cait 19:51 cait yeah - I think you did :) 19:52 cait missed 5423 19:52 cait bug 5423 19:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5423 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Deleted Patrons are no longer saved in table deletedborrowers 19:53 briceSanc hello 19:53 Brooke howdy 19:53 ibot hi, Brooke 19:54 briceSanc is it to use the amazon api in https ? 19:58 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding 3.2.1 release to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1aa1eea166c86dda5fdbc158c2499d4bb014474> / Fixing formatting and links in the history document <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a71ffa0d3554faa08632fb748af1f5039c48921> / Fix some compile time errors reported in test suite <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc3dc 19:58 jcamins I didn't know that ibot greeted people. 19:58 * jcamins tries... 19:58 jcamins Hello. 19:59 trea howdy 19:59 ibot hey, trea 19:59 trea heh 19:59 jcamins Howdy? 19:59 jcamins Howdy. 19:59 druthb howdy 19:59 ibot hola, druthb 19:59 owen s'up, ibot? 19:59 ibot owen: sorry... 20:00 trea ibot: I speak jive 20:00 ibot trea: what? 20:00 druthb ibot? 20:00 ibot yes, druthb? 20:01 Brooke worst chatbot evar. My jorb is safe. 20:01 druthb ibot: botsnack M&Ms 20:01 ibot :) 20:03 briceSanc is it possible to use the amazon api in https ? 20:08 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5142' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=261c8d3aafd4ed861cacbbcc139b59c12dee3417> / Further fixes for Bug 5142 - Untranslatable strings in tag review template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=470dc1d37c457b9919200c61e369a4fb6207dbc1> / Bug 5444 Fix misc/translate script for 'standard' Koha install <http://git.koha-com 20:08 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #181: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/181/ 20:08 hudsonbot * Ian Walls: Fixes bug 5232: Shelfname won't display on high-numbered lists 20:08 hudsonbot * Ian Walls: Bug 4449: AllowHoldPolicyOverride does not override all hold policies 20:08 hudsonbot Starting build 182 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:10 Brooke me waves at sekjal 20:10 * sekjal waves back to Brooke 20:12 * druthb gathers up her stuff and heads for the bus. 20:13 jcamins install.debian? 20:18 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5405: remove disused script catalogue/suggest.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9753368626e631ebb06929278d408453186c2528> 20:19 jcamins install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 20:21 jcamins install.debian? 20:21 ibot somebody said install.debian was at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 20:22 cait ibot botsnack cookie 20:22 ibot thanks cait :) 20:24 cait ok, will go and hide in bed with my accounting book - see you all in some hours 20:28 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5048, Error in menu/submenu for select language in intranet <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1024eceec715fed2f5c38ac6998ff9be75240280> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5030' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00408e262fbe58f4c6a3fbb722a0cb56d3d22f6c> / Fix for Bug 5030 - Improve handling of duplicate patrons <http://git.koha-community.or 20:29 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #182: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/182/ 20:29 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5448 Use Test::More in Boolean.t 20:29 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5448: Refactor Boolean.pm 20:29 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Fix some compile time errors reported in test suite 20:29 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Fixing formatting and links in the history document 20:29 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding 3.2.1 release to the history 20:29 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5444 Fix misc/translate script for 'standard' Koha install 20:29 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Further fixes for Bug 5142 - Untranslatable strings in tag review template 20:30 hudsonbot Starting build 183 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:38 jcamins Argh!@ 20:38 jcamins merge_conflicts-- 20:51 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #183: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/183/ 20:51 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5405: remove disused script catalogue/suggest.pl 20:51 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5029 - Update patron deletion error page 20:51 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5030 - Improve handling of duplicate patrons 20:51 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5048, Error in menu/submenu for select language in intranet 21:16 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:49 drulm Hello, all, I have a question? :) 21:50 drulm An easy one - perhaps. amd64 w/ Koha, good, bad, ugly? Virtualization? Any efforts good or bad? Thanks! 21:59 wizzyrea no clue, and it's been really quiet here today 22:00 Brooke what's the size of the collection in question? 22:03 drulm 130,000 22:05 Brooke is it a single library? 22:05 drulm yep 22:05 Brooke hang on a tick, k? 22:05 drulm Ive had good luck with an ESXi 64 bit install, just seeing if there were issues with any 32 bit apts 22:06 darling drulm, definitely sounds like one for the mailing list -- but I haven't heard of any problems re that 22:07 drulm I just posted. Thanks 22:07 darling I've been hesitant to go 64bit in my test env 22:07 darling but I'm being silly and need to get over that 22:08 darling will put that on my 'do this' list 22:08 drulm Yeah, I *assume* the perl will all work, but... 22:08 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Fix for Bug 5048, Error in menu/submenu for select language in intranet <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=157ee4096b156988df2be8d145726b9d94cd5215> / Fix for Bug 5030 - Improve handling of duplicate patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c3214b6e6e310afd4c6a5faf063936d67b3b8d6> / Bug 5444 Fix misc/translate script for 'standard' Koha install <http://git.koha 22:09 Brooke might want to ask Rangitikei what they're running and then double it for the same performance since their collection is at 50k. 22:10 Brooke I'm sure we have collections about the same size *someplace* I just wanted to get a down and dirty comparison for ye. 22:10 drulm Thanks! :) 22:11 drulm Been swamped with side projects, & updated to 3.2 recently on test VM, but wanted to do a fresh install for 3.2 upgrade 22:12 Brooke *nod* it's a good idea. 22:12 Brooke it'll run on just about anything, but you get what you pay for up to a certain breaking point. 22:12 Brooke now what that point is these days, I've no idea. 22:13 Brooke and I had such a tiny collection with a single branch on an old version that my data wouldn't make much sense anymore. 22:16 hudsonbot Starting build 51 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:17 robin darling / drulm: all our stuff is running on 64 bit 22:20 darling ah, sweet 22:20 darling wondered if it might 22:22 robin these days there's very little different between 32 and 64 bits on Linux. Pretty much everything works on both. 22:23 darling thought that was true by now 22:24 darling wonder if it's true for my random non-free hp laptop display driver tho 22:24 darling oh, look, found one more reason why non-free is non-cool 22:24 chris :) 22:25 darling nothing can bring me down today tho -- got my combo flashlight cell phone charger from deal extreme in the mail 22:25 Brooke hooray! 22:26 darling i just hope it works 22:26 darling as one of those 22:26 wizzyrea combo flashlight cell phone charger… that's a really good idea :P 22:26 trea indeed 22:26 darling yep -- china kicks ass 22:28 robin darling: linky? 22:28 wizzyrea @quote add <darling>yep — china kicks ass 22:28 munin wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 22:28 wizzyrea doh 22:28 wizzyrea @quote add <darling>yep — china kicks ass 22:28 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #109 added. 22:29 chris fredericd++ #thanks for reformatting and testing the facets patch 22:30 druthb @quote random 22:30 munin druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 22:30 druthb ! 22:30 druthb @quote random 22:30 munin druthb: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) 22:31 druthb fwaz... 22:31 darling http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17836 22:31 druthb @roulette 22:31 munin druthb: *click* 22:31 druthb @roulette 22:31 munin druthb: *click* 22:31 druthb @roulette 22:31 munin druthb: *click* 22:31 druthb whew. 22:31 brendan pushing your luck there 22:32 druthb darn thing has had it in for me for a while now. 22:33 robin darling: that actually looks quite useful 22:33 darling i ordered it for my NA trip a while back 22:34 darling picked up a different one (w/out flashlight function) while I was there 22:34 darling might be will to part w/this one 22:35 robin well, I'm thinking more of taking it camping, in which case a torch is good too. What USB connectors does it have? 22:36 robin hmm, looks on the photo that it has the one my phone uses 22:37 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #51: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/51/ 22:37 hudsonbot * Ian Walls: Fixes bug 5232: Shelfname won't display on high-numbered lists 22:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5448 Use Test::More in Boolean.t 22:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5448: Refactor Boolean.pm 22:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Fix some compile time errors reported in test suite 22:37 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Fixing formatting and links in the history document 22:37 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding 3.2.1 release to the history 22:37 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Further fixes for Bug 5142 - Untranslatable strings in tag review template 22:37 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5405: remove disused script catalogue/suggest.pl 22:37 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5029 - Update patron deletion error page 22:37 hudsonbot * Ian Walls: Bug 4449: AllowHoldPolicyOverride does not override all hold policies 22:37 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5444 Fix misc/translate script for 'standard' Koha install 22:37 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5030 - Improve handling of duplicate patrons 22:37 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5048, Error in menu/submenu for select language in intranet 22:42 robin man, so much stuff I want to buy from there. 22:42 wizzyrea @quote random 22:42 munin wizzyrea: Quote #93: "Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word." (added by wizzyrea at 07:20 PM, September 09, 2010) 22:42 wizzyrea GraphicsMagick? 22:42 ibot it has been said that GraphicsMagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11. 22:42 wizzyrea \o/ 22:55 * darling wonders if our kitty would wear http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18972