Time Nick Message 08:16 kf hi #koha 08:16 kmkale hi all 08:16 ivanc hi #koha 08:19 kf hi kmkale and ivanc 08:20 kmkale hi kf :) 08:20 kf kmkale? 08:20 ibot kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. 08:20 kf ibot++ 08:20 kmkale heh kf please.. 08:21 kmkale its embarrassing 08:21 kf just checking if he knows new things :) 08:21 kmkale kf? 08:21 ibot well, kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln. 08:21 ivanc guten morgen kf 08:21 kf that was druthb... 08:21 kmkale druthb? 08:21 ibot well, druthb is fond of cookies. 08:22 kmkale :)) 08:22 kf perhaps we should rename #koha into #cookie 08:22 kmkale yeh all that food talk 08:22 kf yep, at least you can't gain weight by talking about food 08:24 kmkale its a good thing I dont understand most of the food stuff ;) 08:24 kmkale except maybe pizzas 08:25 kmkale early weekend in #koha today? very quiet.. 08:27 kf holidays in us 08:27 kmkale ohhh 08:28 kmkale thats what brooke meant when she said that nonsense starts this friday. slow on uptake kmkale.. 08:36 kf thanksgiving 08:36 ibot i heard thanksgiving was purely an american thing 08:36 kf hehe 08:36 kmkale :) 08:36 kmkale ibot is getting smarter 08:37 kmkale chris? 08:37 ibot rumour has it chris is awake to early 08:37 kmkale gmcharlt? 08:40 magnus kia ora, #koha! 08:40 kmkale hi magnus 08:40 kmkale magnus? 08:40 ibot hmmm... magnus is an awesome fellow. 08:40 magnus yay 08:40 kmkale :) 08:40 magnus hiya kmkale 08:40 magnus kmkale? 08:40 ibot kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches. 08:40 kmkale omg 08:40 magnus woohoo! 08:41 kmkale ibot forget kmkale 08:41 ibot kmkale: I forgot kmkale 08:42 magnus he was telling the truth, though, wasn't he? 08:43 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 08:43 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (9:20 AM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 08:43 kmkale its kinda embarrassing as chris is the guiding force behind all that 08:44 kmkale -7 brrrrr 08:44 * magnus has a nice fire going in the livingroom and a warm laptop on his lap... 08:44 magnus and -16 with the windchill... 08:45 kmkale @weather Mumbai 08:45 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (1:40 PM IST on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 08:46 magnus that's something else... ;-) 08:47 kmkale :) 08:48 kmkale and this is supposed to be the most pleasant season here ;) 08:49 magnus hehe 08:50 magnus "Conditions: Smoke" doesn't sound too pleasant? 08:54 kf kmkale: yeah, but you did provide a unit test - it doesn't matter that chris told you so or helped :) 08:54 kf it's still a very good thing to invest time in this 08:55 kmkale i really wanted to learn that stuff about tests 08:55 kmkale chris++ 08:56 kmkale its always smokey here 08:57 kmkale too many people and vehicles :( 08:58 magnus :-( 08:58 magnus and i agree with kf, it doesn't matter why you wrote a test... ;-) 09:00 kmkale Mumbai population is approx 14 million 09:02 kf wow 09:02 kf @wunder konstanz 09:02 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.3�C (10:00 AM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005.3 hPa (Steady). 09:02 kf first snow over night 09:02 kf but not much, only a little bit on the grass and trees 09:03 magnus wow, according to wikipedia, the population density in Mumbai is 22,922 /km2 09:03 kmkale yup. actually it must be more 09:03 magnus kf: bet it's pretty, then 09:05 kf magnus: yep, it makes the day a bit lighter too 09:06 kmkale must be an amazing site 09:11 magnus yeah, that's the two good things about snow: it can look pretty and it does make dark winter days lighter... 09:13 kmkale the last time I saw snow was in dec 2006 visiting london. got a frostbite on my cheek just walking to the tube station :( 09:16 magnus ouch 09:19 kmkale and before that was when I did a bit of trekking in himalayas in the 80's 09:19 kmkale so me and cold are mutually exclusive :) 09:30 magnus hehe 10:08 hdl kmkale: have you been up to create db_dependent tests ? Or creating tests on authentication ? 10:09 kmkale yay hdl I just created one miserly test for checking the new itembarcodeinputfilter I made for bug 5418 10:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5418 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, New itemBarcodeInputFilter for libsuite8 style barcodes 10:11 kmkale hdl: something needs doing? I am relatively free workloadwise atm and in a learning mood .. 10:12 hdl well we have some unit tests on Auth_With_LDAP. but would require external configuration file 10:13 kmkale ldap schema? 10:13 kmkale havent tried koha auth with ldap 12:54 kf Colin++ for starting discussion about acq workflow 14:19 * magnus has compiled the pizza dough 14:22 jcamins_a Oooooh. 14:22 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:24 magnus g'day jcamins 14:25 magnus guess a lot of us'ians take today off too? 14:25 jcamins Oh yes. 14:25 jcamins The ANS is closed. 14:25 jcamins Today is Black Friday. 14:26 * jcamins will avoid stores at all costs 14:27 magnus ans? 14:27 ibot hmmm... ans is closed. 14:27 magnus sorry ibot, that did not make me much wiser... ;-) 14:27 kf ans is the institution where jcamins works 14:27 magnus ah 14:27 jcamins ibot: no, ANS is the American Numismatic Society 14:27 ibot ...but ans is closed.... 14:27 jcamins ANS? 14:27 ibot rumour has it ANS is closed 14:28 kf ibot: ans is not closed 14:28 ibot ...but ans is closed.... 14:28 kf ibot: ans is not closed 14:28 ibot ...but ans is closed.... 14:28 jcamins No, ANS is the American Numismatic Society 14:28 jcamins ANS? 14:28 ibot ANS is closed. 14:28 jcamins ibot: help? 14:28 kf it's like talking to a stubborn child 14:28 kf ibot: forget ANS 14:28 ibot kf: I forgot ans 14:29 kf ANs is the American Numismatic Society 14:29 kf ans? 14:29 ibot it has been said that ans is the American Numismatic Society 14:29 jcamins ANS? 14:29 ibot ANS is the American Numismatic Society 14:29 jcamins :) 14:29 kf hehe 14:29 * magnus is analyzing logfiles - 70-80% of traffic in Oct & Nov was from the googlebot... 14:29 magnus ans? 14:29 ibot i guess ans is the American Numismatic Society 14:29 magnus woohoo! 14:29 kf magnus 14:30 kf magnus? 14:30 ibot i guess magnus is an awesome fellow. 14:30 kf magnus? 14:30 ibot magnus is an awesome fellow. 14:30 kf ok, you didn't break it 14:30 magnus cool 14:42 kf ibot: ibot? 14:42 ibot hmmm... i am still small - he needs to learn more :) 14:42 jcamins @later tell chris My name is already listed in about.tmpl- line 132. Camins-Esakov should be alphabetized under C. 14:42 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:43 briceSanc Hello all ! 14:45 kf hi briceSanc 14:47 briceSanc Did you ever try to replace Jquery 1.3.2 by jQuery 1.4.3? Have you had problems with JSON? 14:48 kmkale a small query, if we want patrons to borrow and return at any branch we have to turn off IndependantBranches? 14:53 kf kmkale: I think so 14:53 kf because with independant branches they don't exist at the other branch 14:54 kf have you tried it? 14:54 kmkale then does it also give the library staff the same rights in other branches as they have at their own branch? 14:54 kf I am not sure about that - but perhaps yes 14:55 kf hm, but I woul test it 14:55 kf perhaps you get a transport message - I am not sure. We don't have brnches at the moment and not using independantBranches 14:55 kmkale without IndependantBranches if I try to return a book at some other branch I get "This item must be checked in at the home library NOT CHECKED IN" 14:55 magnus kmkale: i think so - if they are serving patrons who "belong" to other branches they need to be able to do most of the same things they can with "local" patrons 14:56 kmkale My worry is if I turn off IndependantBranches the branch staff may start meddling in other branches inadvertently :( 14:57 magnus hm, i think that is a risk you have to take... ;-) 14:57 magnus briceSanc: sorry, no experience with replacing jquery... 14:58 kmkale like log in to *wrong* branch and start making modifications to biblios etc.. 14:59 briceSanc magnus, i understand. jQuery 1.4.3 works great on koha except with JSON :s 15:00 jcamins kmkale: aren't biblio records shared by all branches? I thought it was only items that are branch-specific. 15:00 kmkale humm so you think they wont be able to do much damage? 15:01 kmkale by mistake of curse.. 15:01 jcamins kmkale: actually, my point was that they can do just as much damage. 15:01 kmkale hehe :) 15:01 jcamins (if I understand correctly how branches work) 15:02 kmkale also are items returned at other branch are marked as in transit or something? 15:02 kmkale this is the first time I am having to deal with co-operating branches 15:02 jcamins Also, I don't see how someone could *accidentally* log in with a different branch. On my installations, it defaults to "My Library," which means that you have to intentionally change it to log into a different branch. 15:03 jcamins kmkale: I'm not sure. I've never used circulation. 15:03 kmkale good point about the log in jcamins 15:03 magnus briceSanc: see bug 5184 15:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Upgrade to support jQuery 1.4.2 15:03 kmkale so i think any damage done will have to intentional 15:04 jcamins kmkale: I agree. 15:05 kmkale good. will talk to the consortium members we have too. they will have better experience in this i think.. 15:05 briceSanc munin, thanks! but we need 1.4.3 fonctionnalities of jQuery 15:05 munin briceSanc: Error: "thanks!" is not a valid command. 15:07 kf kmkale: perhaps there is a syspref for that - let me check (being able to return at other branches) 15:08 jcamins kf: can't you limit by item type (looking at bug 5447)? 15:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5447 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Limit search to serials / continuing resources 15:08 kmkale kf that would be a great help 15:08 kf jcamins: if you use serials you can have serials without items at all 15:08 kf serials module 15:09 kf and it requires to have an extra item type for serials and using item type in advanced search instead of collections... 15:09 kf so yes, you could, but a separate search limit would be great 15:09 kf kmkale: I have some notes from very early koha testing, perhaps HomeOrHoldingBranch checking it now 15:10 kf hm no 15:10 magnus briceSanc: i would guess the bug is really for 1.4.x - the newest version... - if you report your experience there it might help with testing 15:11 kf it's something different 15:12 jcamins kf: we use biblio-level itemtypes. Now that you point it out, I see that of course it doesn't work. 15:13 kf jcamins: the item-level itypes is another problem :( 15:14 jcamins I was going to renew my membership in SLA, but the fact that they don't have a secure website for taking my credit card information is making me question whether that's really a good idea. 15:16 kmkale back 15:17 kf kmkale: sorry, didn't relly find something :( 15:17 kmkale this is interesting "AutomaticItemReturn Do automatically transfer items to their home branch when they are returned." 15:17 kmkale but what turns this on? 15:17 kf perhaps: HomeOrHoldingBranch / AutomaticItemReturn / canreservefromotherbranches 15:17 kf it's a syspref 15:18 kmkale its 3 sysprefs working together you mean? 15:19 kf no, candidates that could change something 15:19 kf but I am really not sure .( 15:19 kf they don't fit completely 15:19 kf perhaps looking at the code that checks will be best 15:19 kmkale in my case canreservefromotherbranches is set to allow and AutomaticItemReturn is set to Do 15:20 kmkale right thanks kf and jcamins & magnus 15:20 kmkale problem for tomorrow 15:20 kmkale god night 15:20 kf now he was gone fast 15:22 magnus yup 15:22 magnus i'll probably have to run soon too 15:23 kf magnus: I think I found it - looks like there is no option for kmkale with indy branches on 15:24 magnus hm 15:24 pastebot "kf" at 193.197.29.135 pasted "http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=10c3c112d6a22f2b967a217e027664e1f37fe796;hb=703156daee740882c5ea6c7d6041969749a8a8" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/108 15:25 magnus "todo"... ;-) 15:27 kf yep 15:27 kf if that's the only place it's perhaps not very difficult to add it 15:28 kf would probably need another syspref to check 15:28 magnus that's a good sized "if" ;-) 15:28 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 15:28 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 15:31 kf a good sized if? 15:31 magnus slightly smaller than a "big if"... 15:31 kf you confuse me 15:31 magnus hehe 15:31 magnus first i was going to say "that's a big if" 15:31 jcamins kf: magnus thinks that you're overly optimistic. 15:32 magnus then i moderated myself a bit 15:42 kf jcamins: in this case.. not so much 15:42 kf because that's the return subroutine in C4 15:42 kf if you only want to open returns... it should be not so bad 15:42 kf ok, should.. 15:42 * jcamins doesn't know anything about it, he was just translating 15:42 kf perhaps a medium if 15:43 magnus ;-) 15:50 briceSanc magnus, munin, i have the answer : all JSON in Koha are malformed, i will create a patch to fix that 15:51 magnus briceSanc: cool 15:52 jcamins owen? 15:52 jcamins ibot: owen? 15:52 ibot i don't know, jcamins 15:52 jcamins Hm. 15:52 briceSanc magnus, munin, we have : print "{ jobID: '$jobID' }"; instead of : print '{ "jobID":"' . $jobID . '"}'; 15:56 kf owen? 15:56 magnus briceSanc: looks like an argument for using a module to do the job... 15:58 briceSanc Do you know what is the folder blib/ ? Do i need to make change in it in order to submit a patch ? 15:58 kf briceSanc: you can ignore it 15:58 kf I think it's something from git 15:58 briceSanc ok 15:58 kf no changes required 15:59 kf ok, time for the weekend :) 15:59 kf bye all and have a nice weekend! 15:59 jcamins kf: have a nice weekend. 16:00 magnus briceSanc: i think it is some kind of temp storage used during installs or something. just ignore it as kf said 16:01 briceSanc kf, magnus, ok! thanks all! i begin to code for the patch... ;) 16:02 magnus cool! 16:05 magnus gotta run - have a nice weekend all! 17:02 cait hi all 17:03 jcamins Hi cait. 17:09 ivanc hi cait 17:09 cait hi jcamins and ivanc 17:14 briceSanc bug 5449 17:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x 17:15 cait briceSanc++ 17:18 jcamins briceSanc: is this a problem elsewhere in Koha, too? 17:40 briceSanc jcamins, yes it's a general problem 17:44 gmcharlt briceSanc++ 18:06 briceSanc bye all ! Have a good week end ! 18:28 mib_jtnln hi friends, i woul like to know how can i execute: perl installer.pl 18:31 jcamins mib_jtnln: just run the command. 18:32 mib_jtnln can you help me pls?? 18:32 jcamins I think you may have misspelled installer.pl, though. 18:32 jcamins I'm pretty sure it's installer.PL (notice the capitals) 18:32 jcamins Wait, no, I was mistaken. 18:33 mib_jtnln ok, thanks jcamins 18:33 jcamins I was thinking of Makefile.PL 18:33 jcamins I don't think there is an installer.pl file. 18:33 mib_jtnln but, i´m installing from cpanel 18:33 cait there is 18:33 cait but it's not supposed to be run 18:33 jcamins cait: I only see *install*.pl. 18:33 cait then you are right 18:34 cait I was thinking about that one 18:34 jcamins cait: yeah, I was too. 18:34 jcamins Then I thought about Makefile.PL. 18:34 cait :) 18:34 jcamins Unfortunately, none of them helped. 18:35 cait mib_jtnln: which os? 18:35 jcamins mib_jtnln: what are you trying to do? 18:37 mib_jtnln i want to install koha 18:37 cait on which os? 18:38 mib_jtnln i´m logged into a cpanel 18:38 mib_jtnln buy i cant know how can execute de installer 18:39 cait sorry, I don't know how that works 18:39 jcamins mib_jtnln: cpanel is a control panel for managing web servers. You must be running it on an Operating System. Probably some version of Linux like Debian or Red Hat. 18:40 mib_jtnln how can i enter to OS? I use a web server 18:40 jcamins I don't think you can install Koha using cpanel. 18:40 jcamins mib_jtnln: you'd have to ask your service provider. 18:40 mib_jtnln i understand 18:40 mib_jtnln ok 18:40 jcamins It sounds like you might have shared hosting. 18:41 jcamins I don't know if it's possible to install Koha on a shared server. Probably not. 18:43 jcamins I think you'd need to have root access to install some of the software that Koha requires, like Zebra. 18:45 mib_jtnln i´m logged as root 18:45 jcamins With cpanel? 18:45 jcamins Hm. 18:46 jcamins In that case you probably just need to ask your host how to log in through SSH. 18:46 mib_jtnln i have cpanel 10 18:46 rhcl @seen pianohacker 18:46 munin rhcl: Error: 'pianohacker' is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. 18:46 jcamins mib_jtnln: I've never used cpanel. 18:46 jcamins @seen pianohack 18:46 munin jcamins: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <pianohack> Yeah, sounds right 18:47 rhcl @seen pianohack 18:47 munin rhcl: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohack> Yeah, sounds right 18:47 mib_jtnln maybe i have to login in SSH 18:49 jcamins mib_jtnln: yes. 18:50 mib_jtnln ok, thanks a lot! 18:51 mib_jtnln i appreciate your help!! 18:51 mib_jtnln have a nice day friend! 18:52 jcamins Good luck. 18:53 mib_jtnln Thank you! 18:53 mib_jtnln Bye. 20:52 * jcamins shares some chocolate raspberry fudge/caramel 21:17 brendan_l @wunder 93117 21:17 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.1�C (1:14 PM PST on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Falling). 21:21 * jcamins wonders again why he doesn't live in CA. 21:22 jcamins Greetings, brendan_l 21:29 brendan_l oh hey jcamins 22:13 cait chocolate rasperry fudge? 22:13 cait yumm 22:20 jcamins cait: you just inspired me to try a piece. 22:20 jcamins It's delicious. 22:20 cait you offer it to us before trying? 22:20 jcamins I'm not quite sure what it is- fudge... caramel... taffee... something else... 22:20 jcamins It was hot. 22:21 jcamins Actually, I tried a bunch earlier, and it was delicious, but it was also about 90 degrees Celsius. 22:21 cait hehe 22:21 cait perhaps I will try your recipe this weekend 22:22 cait if I can persuade my friend to go shopping with me 22:22 cait need some ingredients :) 22:23 jcamins It's easy enough to buy chocolate, sugar, and sweetened condensed milk. :) 22:23 jcamins Actually, if you don't have sweetened condensed milk, you can even use powdered milk. 22:23 cait yep, but have to go to the bigger store for the sweetened condensed milk :) 22:23 jcamins No. Dry milk powder. 22:23 jcamins Ah. 22:23 cait or milk powder 22:23 cait not sure you buy milk powder here. never seen it. 22:24 cait what's a good flavour for beginners? 22:24 jcamins I think in Europe the brand is Nido. I only ever saw it in one place. 22:24 jcamins Anything that uses an alcohol-based flavoring. 22:24 cait ok, battery low 22:25 jcamins If you have any hard liquor on hand, that's a good choice. 22:25 jcamins @later tell cait And it always helps to use a bit of vanilla extract, if you have it. 22:25 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded. 22:25 cait ok :) 22:25 cait we have that 22:26 cait now shutting laptop down - good night all 22:39 gmcharlt anybody about who can answer a question about Russian? specifically, I want to know if it is legitamate to normalize ? to ? or if that is just Not Done 22:39 jcamins gmcharlt: I know Russian, but those came through as question marks. 22:40 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "Russian diacritics" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/109 22:40 gmcharlt jcamins: ^^ 22:40 jcamins Definitely not done. 22:41 gmcharlt so a library catalog that treated them as the same character for searching purposes would be doing the wrong thing, I take it? 22:41 jcamins I would think. 22:42 jcamins In transliteration i with a breve is sometimes normalized to plain i. 22:42 gmcharlt jcamins: thanks for confirming my suspicion 22:43 jcamins You're welcome. 22:43 jcamins I'm trying to remember right now if there are any languages written in Cyrillic that don't have the i with the breve. 22:44 gmcharlt does make me wonder about the NACO normalization alogirthm, though; that's the context where this came up for me 22:44 jcamins Macedonian does not have i-kratkoe. 22:46 jcamins Instead it has a j. 22:46 jcamins gmcharlt: what's NACO doing? 22:47 gmcharlt effectively treating i-kratkoe and I as the same character for matching headings 22:48 jcamins Hm. I guess they have to because not all systems can search on the diacritic? 22:49 gmcharlt I assume so 22:50 jcamins I can't say errors in the NACO normalization algorithms would surprise me, though. 22:50 gmcharlt the problem (in this case) is that Evergreen uses a version of the NACO normalization algorithm as its default normalizer 22:51 gmcharlt and (not surprisingly) it looks like this could lead to ... interesting results if you stray out of Western European languages 22:54 jcamins I think that particular issue wouldn't cause any major problems. I don't believe there are any contexts where either letter could occur. 22:54 gmcharlt good