Time  Nick      Message
08:16 kf        hi #koha
08:16 kmkale    hi all
08:16 ivanc     hi #koha
08:19 kf        hi kmkale and ivanc
08:20 kmkale    hi kf :)
08:20 kf        kmkale?
08:20 ibot      kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches.
08:20 kf        ibot++
08:20 kmkale    heh kf please..
08:21 kmkale    its embarrassing
08:21 kf        just checking if he knows new things :)
08:21 kmkale    kf?
08:21 ibot      well, kf is an excellent cook: she makes tasty königsberger klopse mit salzkartoffeln.
08:21 ivanc     guten morgen kf
08:21 kf        that was druthb...
08:21 kmkale    druthb?
08:21 ibot      well, druthb is fond of cookies.
08:22 kmkale    :))
08:22 kf        perhaps we should rename #koha into #cookie
08:22 kmkale    yeh all that food talk
08:22 kf        yep, at least you can't gain weight by talking about food
08:24 kmkale    its a good thing I dont understand most of the food stuff ;)
08:24 kmkale    except maybe pizzas
08:25 kmkale    early weekend in #koha today? very quiet..
08:27 kf        holidays in us
08:27 kmkale    ohhh
08:28 kmkale    thats what brooke meant when she said that nonsense starts this friday. slow on uptake kmkale..
08:36 kf        thanksgiving
08:36 ibot      i heard thanksgiving was purely an american thing
08:36 kf        hehe
08:36 kmkale    :)
08:36 kmkale    ibot is getting smarter
08:37 kmkale    chris?
08:37 ibot      rumour has it chris is awake to early
08:37 kmkale    gmcharlt?
08:40 magnus    kia ora, #koha!
08:40 kmkale    hi magnus
08:40 kmkale    magnus?
08:40 ibot      hmmm... magnus is an awesome fellow.
08:40 magnus    yay
08:40 kmkale    :)
08:40 magnus    hiya kmkale
08:40 magnus    kmkale?
08:40 ibot      kmkale is a good developer, providing unit tests for his patches.
08:40 kmkale    omg
08:40 magnus    woohoo!
08:41 kmkale    ibot forget kmkale
08:41 ibot      kmkale: I forgot kmkale
08:42 magnus    he was telling the truth, though, wasn't he?
08:43 magnus    @wunder bodo, norway
08:43 munin     magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (9:20 AM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
08:43 kmkale    its kinda embarrassing as chris is the guiding force behind all that
08:44 kmkale    -7 brrrrr
08:44 * magnus  has a nice fire going in the livingroom and a warm laptop on his lap...
08:44 magnus    and -16 with the windchill...
08:45 kmkale    @weather Mumbai
08:45 munin     kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (1:40 PM IST on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:46 magnus    that's something else... ;-)
08:47 kmkale    :)
08:48 kmkale    and this is supposed to be the most pleasant season here ;)
08:49 magnus    hehe
08:50 magnus    "Conditions: Smoke" doesn't sound too pleasant?
08:54 kf        kmkale: yeah, but you did provide a unit test - it doesn't matter that chris told you so or helped :)
08:54 kf        it's still a very good thing to invest time in this
08:55 kmkale    i really wanted to learn that stuff about tests
08:55 kmkale    chris++
08:56 kmkale    its always smokey here
08:57 kmkale    too many people and vehicles :(
08:58 magnus    :-(
08:58 magnus    and i agree with kf, it doesn't matter why you wrote a test... ;-)
09:00 kmkale    Mumbai population is approx 14 million
09:02 kf        wow
09:02 kf        @wunder konstanz
09:02 munin     kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.3�C (10:00 AM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005.3 hPa (Steady).
09:02 kf        first snow over night
09:02 kf        but not much, only a little bit on the grass and trees
09:03 magnus    wow, according to wikipedia, the population density in Mumbai is 22,922 /km2
09:03 kmkale    yup. actually it must be more
09:03 magnus    kf: bet it's pretty, then
09:05 kf        magnus: yep, it makes the day a bit lighter too
09:06 kmkale    must be an amazing site
09:11 magnus    yeah, that's the two good things about snow: it can look pretty and it does make dark winter days lighter...
09:13 kmkale    the last time I saw snow was in dec 2006 visiting london. got a frostbite on my cheek just walking to the tube station :(
09:16 magnus    ouch
09:19 kmkale    and before that was when I did a bit of trekking in himalayas in the 80's
09:19 kmkale    so me and cold are mutually exclusive :)
09:30 magnus    hehe
10:08 hdl       kmkale: have you been up to create db_dependent tests ? Or creating tests on authentication ?
10:09 kmkale    yay hdl I just created one miserly test for checking the new itembarcodeinputfilter I made for bug 5418
10:09 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5418 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, New itemBarcodeInputFilter for libsuite8 style barcodes
10:11 kmkale    hdl: something needs doing? I am relatively free workloadwise atm and in a learning mood ..
10:12 hdl       well we have some unit tests on Auth_With_LDAP. but would require external configuration file
10:13 kmkale    ldap schema?
10:13 kmkale    havent tried koha auth with ldap
12:54 kf        Colin++ for starting discussion about acq workflow
14:19 * magnus  has compiled the pizza dough
14:22 jcamins_a Oooooh.
14:22 jcamins   Good morning, #koha
14:24 magnus    g'day jcamins
14:25 magnus    guess a lot of us'ians take today off too?
14:25 jcamins   Oh yes.
14:25 jcamins   The ANS is closed.
14:25 jcamins   Today is Black Friday.
14:26 * jcamins will avoid stores at all costs
14:27 magnus    ans?
14:27 ibot      hmmm... ans is closed.
14:27 magnus    sorry ibot, that did not make me much wiser... ;-)
14:27 kf        ans is the institution where jcamins works
14:27 magnus    ah
14:27 jcamins   ibot: no, ANS is the American Numismatic Society
14:27 ibot      ...but ans is closed....
14:27 jcamins   ANS?
14:27 ibot      rumour has it ANS is closed
14:28 kf        ibot: ans is not closed
14:28 ibot      ...but ans is closed....
14:28 kf        ibot: ans is not closed
14:28 ibot      ...but ans is closed....
14:28 jcamins   No, ANS is the American Numismatic Society
14:28 jcamins   ANS?
14:28 ibot      ANS is closed.
14:28 jcamins   ibot: help?
14:28 kf        it's like talking to a stubborn child
14:28 kf        ibot: forget ANS
14:28 ibot      kf: I forgot ans
14:29 kf        ANs is the American Numismatic Society
14:29 kf        ans?
14:29 ibot      it has been said that ans is the American Numismatic Society
14:29 jcamins   ANS?
14:29 ibot      ANS is the American Numismatic Society
14:29 jcamins   :)
14:29 kf        hehe
14:29 * magnus  is analyzing logfiles - 70-80% of traffic in Oct & Nov was from the googlebot...
14:29 magnus    ans?
14:29 ibot      i guess ans is the American Numismatic Society
14:29 magnus    woohoo!
14:29 kf        magnus
14:30 kf        magnus?
14:30 ibot      i guess magnus is an awesome fellow.
14:30 kf        magnus?
14:30 ibot      magnus is an awesome fellow.
14:30 kf        ok, you didn't break it
14:30 magnus    cool
14:42 kf        ibot: ibot?
14:42 ibot      hmmm... i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
14:42 jcamins   @later tell chris My name is already listed in about.tmpl- line 132. Camins-Esakov should be alphabetized under C.
14:42 munin     jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:43 briceSanc Hello all !
14:45 kf        hi briceSanc
14:47 briceSanc Did you ever try to replace Jquery 1.3.2 by jQuery 1.4.3? Have you had problems with JSON?
14:48 kmkale    a small query, if we want patrons to borrow and return at any branch we have to turn off IndependantBranches?
14:53 kf        kmkale: I think so
14:53 kf        because with independant branches they don't exist at the other branch
14:54 kf        have you tried it?
14:54 kmkale    then does it also give the library staff the same rights in other branches as they have at their own branch?
14:54 kf        I am not sure about that - but perhaps yes
14:55 kf        hm, but I woul test it
14:55 kf        perhaps you get a transport message - I am not sure. We don't have brnches at the moment and not using independantBranches
14:55 kmkale    without  IndependantBranches   if I try to return a book at some other branch I get "This item must be checked in at the home library NOT CHECKED IN"
14:55 magnus    kmkale: i think so - if they are serving patrons who "belong" to other branches they need to be able to do most of the same things they can with "local" patrons
14:56 kmkale    My worry is if I turn off  IndependantBranches  the branch staff may start meddling in other branches inadvertently :(
14:57 magnus    hm, i think that is a risk you have to take... ;-)
14:57 magnus    briceSanc: sorry, no experience with replacing jquery...
14:58 kmkale    like log in to *wrong* branch and start making modifications to biblios etc..
14:59 briceSanc magnus, i understand. jQuery 1.4.3 works great on koha except with JSON :s
15:00 jcamins   kmkale: aren't biblio records shared by all branches? I thought it was only items that are branch-specific.
15:00 kmkale    humm so you think they wont be able to do much damage?
15:01 kmkale    by mistake of curse..
15:01 jcamins   kmkale: actually, my point was that they can do just as much damage.
15:01 kmkale    hehe :)
15:01 jcamins   (if I understand correctly how branches work)
15:02 kmkale    also are items returned at other branch are marked as in transit or something?
15:02 kmkale    this is the first time I am having to deal with co-operating branches
15:02 jcamins   Also, I don't see how someone could *accidentally* log in with a different branch. On my installations, it defaults to "My Library," which means that you have to intentionally change it to log into a different branch.
15:03 jcamins   kmkale: I'm not sure. I've never used circulation.
15:03 kmkale    good point about the log in jcamins
15:03 magnus    briceSanc: see bug 5184
15:03 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Upgrade to support jQuery 1.4.2
15:03 kmkale    so i think any damage done will have to intentional
15:04 jcamins   kmkale: I agree.
15:05 kmkale    good. will talk to the consortium members we have too. they will have better experience in this i think..
15:05 briceSanc munin, thanks! but we need 1.4.3 fonctionnalities of jQuery
15:05 munin     briceSanc: Error: "thanks!" is not a valid command.
15:07 kf        kmkale: perhaps there is a syspref for that - let me check (being able to return at other branches)
15:08 jcamins   kf: can't you limit by item type (looking at bug 5447)?
15:08 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5447 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Limit search to serials / continuing resources
15:08 kmkale    kf that would be a great help
15:08 kf        jcamins: if you use serials you can have serials without items at all
15:08 kf        serials module
15:09 kf        and it requires to have an extra item type for serials  and using item type in advanced search instead of collections...
15:09 kf        so yes, you could, but a separate search limit would be great
15:09 kf        kmkale: I have some notes from very early koha testing, perhaps HomeOrHoldingBranch checking it now
15:10 kf        hm no
15:10 magnus    briceSanc: i would guess the bug is really for 1.4.x - the newest version... - if you report your experience there it might help with testing
15:11 kf        it's something different
15:12 jcamins   kf: we use biblio-level itemtypes. Now that you point it out, I see that of course it doesn't work.
15:13 kf        jcamins: the item-level itypes is another problem :(
15:14 jcamins   I was going to renew my membership in SLA, but the fact that they don't have a secure website for taking my credit card information is making me question whether that's really a good idea.
15:16 kmkale    back
15:17 kf        kmkale: sorry, didn't relly find something :(
15:17 kmkale    this is interesting "AutomaticItemReturn    Do	  automatically transfer items to their home branch when they are returned."
15:17 kmkale    but what turns this on?
15:17 kf        perhaps: HomeOrHoldingBranch /  AutomaticItemReturn / canreservefromotherbranches
15:17 kf        it's a syspref
15:18 kmkale    its 3 sysprefs working together you mean?
15:19 kf        no, candidates that could change something
15:19 kf        but I am really not sure .(
15:19 kf        they don't fit completely
15:19 kf        perhaps looking at the code that checks will be best
15:19 kmkale    in my case canreservefromotherbranches is set to allow and AutomaticItemReturn  is set to Do
15:20 kmkale    right thanks kf and jcamins & magnus
15:20 kmkale    problem for tomorrow
15:20 kmkale    god night
15:20 kf        now he was gone fast
15:22 magnus    yup
15:22 magnus    i'll probably have to run soon too
15:23 kf        magnus: I think I found it - looks like there is no option for kmkale with indy branches on
15:24 magnus    hm
15:24 pastebot  "kf" at pasted "http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=10c3c112d6a22f2b967a217e027664e1f37fe796;hb=703156daee740882c5ea6c7d6041969749a8a8" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/108
15:25 magnus    "todo"... ;-)
15:27 kf        yep
15:27 kf        if that's the only place it's perhaps not very difficult to add it
15:28 kf        would probably need another syspref to check
15:28 magnus    that's a good sized "if" ;-)
15:28 magnus    @wunder bodo, norway
15:28 munin     magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
15:31 kf        a good sized if?
15:31 magnus    slightly smaller than a "big if"...
15:31 kf        you confuse me
15:31 magnus    hehe
15:31 magnus    first i was going to say "that's a big if"
15:31 jcamins   kf: magnus thinks that you're overly optimistic.
15:32 magnus    then i moderated myself a bit
15:42 kf        jcamins: in this case.. not so much
15:42 kf        because that's the return subroutine in C4
15:42 kf        if you only want to open returns... it should be not so bad
15:42 kf        ok, should..
15:42 * jcamins doesn't know anything about it, he was just translating
15:42 kf        perhaps a medium if
15:43 magnus    ;-)
15:50 briceSanc magnus, munin, i have the answer : all JSON in Koha are malformed, i will create a patch to fix that
15:51 magnus    briceSanc: cool
15:52 jcamins   owen?
15:52 jcamins   ibot: owen?
15:52 ibot      i don't know, jcamins
15:52 jcamins   Hm.
15:52 briceSanc magnus, munin, we have : print "{ jobID: '$jobID' }";  instead of : print '{ "jobID":"' . $jobID . '"}';
15:56 kf        owen?
15:56 magnus    briceSanc: looks like an argument for using a module to do the job...
15:58 briceSanc Do you know what is the folder blib/ ? Do i need to make change in it in order to submit a patch ?
15:58 kf        briceSanc: you can ignore it
15:58 kf        I think it's something from git
15:58 briceSanc ok
15:58 kf        no changes required
15:59 kf        ok, time for the weekend :)
15:59 kf        bye all and have a nice weekend!
15:59 jcamins   kf: have a nice weekend.
16:00 magnus    briceSanc: i think it is some kind of temp storage used during installs or something. just ignore it as kf said
16:01 briceSanc kf, magnus, ok! thanks all! i begin to code for the patch... ;)
16:02 magnus    cool!
16:05 magnus    gotta run - have a nice weekend all!
17:02 cait      hi all
17:03 jcamins   Hi cait.
17:09 ivanc     hi cait
17:09 cait      hi jcamins and ivanc
17:14 briceSanc bug 5449
17:14 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
17:15 cait      briceSanc++
17:18 jcamins   briceSanc: is this a problem elsewhere in Koha, too?
17:40 briceSanc jcamins, yes it's a general problem
17:44 gmcharlt  briceSanc++
18:06 briceSanc bye all ! Have a good week end !
18:28 mib_jtnln hi friends, i woul like to know how can i execute: perl installer.pl
18:31 jcamins   mib_jtnln: just run the command.
18:32 mib_jtnln can you help me pls??
18:32 jcamins   I think you may have misspelled installer.pl, though.
18:32 jcamins   I'm pretty sure it's installer.PL (notice the capitals)
18:32 jcamins   Wait, no, I was mistaken.
18:33 mib_jtnln ok, thanks jcamins
18:33 jcamins   I was thinking of Makefile.PL
18:33 jcamins   I don't think there is an installer.pl file.
18:33 mib_jtnln but, i´m installing from cpanel
18:33 cait      there is
18:33 cait      but it's not supposed to be run
18:33 jcamins   cait: I only see *install*.pl.
18:33 cait      then you are right
18:34 cait      I was thinking about that one
18:34 jcamins   cait: yeah, I was too.
18:34 jcamins   Then I thought about Makefile.PL.
18:34 cait      :)
18:34 jcamins   Unfortunately, none of them helped.
18:35 cait      mib_jtnln: which os?
18:35 jcamins   mib_jtnln: what are you trying to do?
18:37 mib_jtnln i want to install koha
18:37 cait      on which os?
18:38 mib_jtnln i´m logged into a cpanel
18:38 mib_jtnln buy i cant know how can execute de installer
18:39 cait      sorry, I don't know how that works
18:39 jcamins   mib_jtnln: cpanel is a control panel for managing web servers. You must be running it on an Operating System. Probably some version of Linux like Debian or Red Hat.
18:40 mib_jtnln how can i enter to OS? I use a web server
18:40 jcamins   I don't think you can install Koha using cpanel.
18:40 jcamins   mib_jtnln: you'd have to ask your service provider.
18:40 mib_jtnln i understand
18:40 mib_jtnln ok
18:40 jcamins   It sounds like you might have shared hosting.
18:41 jcamins   I don't know if it's possible to install Koha on a shared server. Probably not.
18:43 jcamins   I think you'd need to have root access to install some of the software that Koha requires, like Zebra.
18:45 mib_jtnln i´m logged as root
18:45 jcamins   With cpanel?
18:45 jcamins   Hm.
18:46 jcamins   In that case you probably just need to ask your host how to log in through SSH.
18:46 mib_jtnln i have cpanel 10
18:46 rhcl      @seen pianohacker
18:46 munin     rhcl: Error: 'pianohacker' is not a valid nick.  That nick is too long for this server.
18:46 jcamins   mib_jtnln: I've never used cpanel.
18:46 jcamins   @seen pianohack
18:46 munin     jcamins: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <pianohack> Yeah, sounds right
18:47 rhcl      @seen pianohack
18:47 munin     rhcl: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <pianohack> Yeah, sounds right
18:47 mib_jtnln maybe i have to login in SSH
18:49 jcamins   mib_jtnln: yes.
18:50 mib_jtnln ok, thanks a lot!
18:51 mib_jtnln i appreciate your help!!
18:51 mib_jtnln have a nice day friend!
18:52 jcamins   Good luck.
18:53 mib_jtnln Thank you!
18:53 mib_jtnln Bye.
20:52 * jcamins shares some chocolate raspberry fudge/caramel
21:17 brendan_l @wunder 93117
21:17 munin     brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.1�C (1:14 PM PST on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Falling).
21:21 * jcamins wonders again why he doesn't live in CA.
21:22 jcamins   Greetings, brendan_l
21:29 brendan_l oh hey jcamins
22:13 cait      chocolate rasperry fudge?
22:13 cait      yumm
22:20 jcamins   cait: you just inspired me to try a piece.
22:20 jcamins   It's delicious.
22:20 cait      you offer it to us before trying?
22:20 jcamins   I'm not quite sure what it is- fudge... caramel... taffee... something else...
22:20 jcamins   It was hot.
22:21 jcamins   Actually, I tried a bunch earlier, and it was delicious, but it was also about 90 degrees Celsius.
22:21 cait      hehe
22:21 cait      perhaps I will try your recipe this weekend
22:22 cait      if I can persuade my friend to go shopping with me
22:22 cait      need some ingredients :)
22:23 jcamins   It's easy enough to buy chocolate, sugar, and sweetened condensed milk. :)
22:23 jcamins   Actually, if you don't have sweetened condensed milk, you can even use powdered milk.
22:23 cait      yep, but have to go to the bigger store for the sweetened condensed milk :)
22:23 jcamins   No. Dry milk powder.
22:23 jcamins   Ah.
22:23 cait      or milk powder
22:23 cait      not sure you buy milk powder here. never seen it.
22:24 cait      what's a good flavour for beginners?
22:24 jcamins   I think in Europe the brand is Nido. I only ever saw it in one place.
22:24 jcamins   Anything that uses an alcohol-based flavoring.
22:24 cait      ok, battery low
22:25 jcamins   If you have any hard liquor on hand, that's a good choice.
22:25 jcamins   @later tell cait And it always helps to use a bit of vanilla extract, if you have it.
22:25 munin     jcamins: The operation succeeded.
22:25 cait      ok :)
22:25 cait      we have that
22:26 cait      now shutting laptop down - good night all
22:39 gmcharlt  anybody about who can answer a question about Russian?  specifically, I want to know if it is legitamate to normalize ? to ? or if that is just Not Done
22:39 jcamins   gmcharlt: I know Russian, but those came through as question marks.
22:40 pastebot  "gmcharlt" at pasted "Russian diacritics" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/109
22:40 gmcharlt  jcamins: ^^
22:40 jcamins   Definitely not done.
22:41 gmcharlt  so a library catalog that treated them as the same character for searching purposes would be doing the wrong thing, I take it?
22:41 jcamins   I would think.
22:42 jcamins   In transliteration i with a breve is sometimes normalized to plain i.
22:42 gmcharlt  jcamins: thanks for confirming my suspicion
22:43 jcamins   You're welcome.
22:43 jcamins   I'm trying to remember right now if there are any languages written in Cyrillic that don't have the i with the breve.
22:44 gmcharlt  does make me wonder about the NACO normalization alogirthm, though; that's the context where this came up for me
22:44 jcamins   Macedonian does not have i-kratkoe.
22:46 jcamins   Instead it has a j.
22:46 jcamins   gmcharlt: what's NACO doing?
22:47 gmcharlt  effectively treating i-kratkoe and I as the same character for matching headings
22:48 jcamins   Hm. I guess they have to because not all systems can search on the diacritic?
22:49 gmcharlt  I assume so
22:50 jcamins   I can't say errors in the NACO normalization algorithms would surprise me, though.
22:50 gmcharlt  the problem (in this case) is that Evergreen uses a version of the NACO normalization algorithm as its default normalizer
22:51 gmcharlt  and (not surprisingly) it looks like this could lead to ... interesting results if you stray out of Western European languages
22:54 jcamins   I think that particular issue wouldn't cause any major problems. I don't believe there are any contexts where either letter could occur.
22:54 gmcharlt  good