Time  Nick      Message
22:59 * cait    leaves you a bowl of cookies
22:58 druthb    okie
22:58 cait      druthb: you have to take over for us ;)
22:58 cait      going to sleep
22:57 chris     right im gonna go eat something bbiab
22:57 * druthb  had a long, long lesson in cricket last night from chris.
22:57 chris     bell played ok
22:57 * cait    is confused again
22:56 chris     yup
22:56 druthb    chris:  looks like Cook and Pieterson did okay, but the bottom half of their lineup was teh suck.
22:54 * druthb  listens to the howls of derisive laughter coming from the Australians.
22:53 chris     http://www.scgt.nsw.gov.au/SCG-Scoreboard-Cam.html
22:52 chris     yup
22:52 cait      cricket?
22:51 chris     http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/engine/current/match/428749.html
22:51 cait      Ashes results?
22:51 chris     australia firmly in charge at the moment
22:50 * druthb  checks the Ashes results from Day 1.
22:41 cait      the big numbers are cool too
22:39 cait      kf is the most referenced nick: so at least I am not talking to myself :)
22:37 munin     ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0�C (5:00 PM EST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
22:37 ebegin    @wunder montreal, canada
22:36 cait      the random quote is funny
22:36 chris     hehe, only in the last 4 days
22:35 cait      seems I talk to much
22:34 chris     stats from ibot
22:34 chris     http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
22:29 cait      you too hilongo
22:29 hilongo   ok guys .. thanks a lot ...  have a nice weekend!
22:28 * hilongo starts writing a pretty and clear RFC ...
22:27 hilongo   point taken
22:27 chris     then if people are working on it, they will let you know
22:27 chris     make sure you start the rfc and announce it before you start any work
22:26 hilongo   yeah ... I read that page ... I was about to start the work... but asked around first... so maybe something was already cooking  ;)
22:25 hilongo   same things you can do with money fines ...
22:25 chris     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:RFCs
22:24 hilongo   or the interface to reduce the 'sentence'  :)
22:23 hilongo   but we need some more functionality ... like the posibility of track how many times a patron was suspended ...
22:23 hilongo   yes ... I tried that ... and works fine
22:22 chris     dont need it
22:22 cait      we don't have the sys pref
22:22 chris     If your library 'fines' patrons by suspending their account you can enter the number of days their fine should be suspended in the 'Suspension in Days' field
22:22 chris     its in 3.2
22:20 cait      there is an rfc: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Calculate_fines_in_days_debarred_RFC
22:19 cait      hilongo: better ask paul or hdl about it - but I think there was some work done
22:19 hilongo   But we need something more than that .. and I was about to start developing (or try to) the functionality we need
22:18 hilongo   I know there is some work storing a date in the members table, in the 'debarred' field
22:17 hilongo   Does anyone know if there is work being done about "fines in days" instead of money?
22:16 hilongo   Hope you're all ok :)
22:15 hilongo   hello there!
22:11 * cait    is confused
22:08 cait      a lot of fields default to null - others not
22:08 cait      this is not the only case
22:07 chris     heh
22:06 cait      we have three surname , firstname combinations - and varchar(255), mediumtext and text for them
22:04 pastebot  "cait" at pasted "borrowers table" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/106
22:02 chris     yeah, thatd be fine
22:00 ibot      thanks cait :)
22:00 cait      ibot botsnack cookie
22:00 ibot      it has been said that chris is craving coffee
22:00 cait      chris?
21:58 cait      ok, will do my sorting and than someone can help me choose the right data types perhaps?
21:56 chris     :)
21:56 richard   gotta love ibot
21:56 ibot      text is probably pretty damn huge
21:56 richard   text?
21:55 chris     but certainly no need to be mediumtext
21:55 chris     255 is a lot of characters for a surname :)
21:55 chris     yeah, all of those could be varchar imho
21:55 cait      200   `firstname` text,
21:55 cait      250   `altcontactfirstname` varchar(255) default NULL,
21:55 cait      251   `altcontactsurname` varchar(255) default NULL,
21:55 cait      199   `surname` mediumtext NOT NULL,
21:55 cait      more fun:
21:54 chris     16MB of text is huge!
21:54 chris     yes
21:54 cait      still veeery big
21:53 chris     sorry 16MB
21:53 chris     if someone has a title that long, they need a new job
21:53 chris     4gig for a title
21:52 chris     yeah thats retarded
21:52 cait      236   `contacttitle` text,
21:52 cait      201   `title` mediumtext,
21:52 cait      an example:
21:52 cait      because it's as big as its content?
21:52 chris     whats one that is mediumtext now?
21:52 cait      not sure I got it right - but I think text does not take as much resources as mediumtext
21:52 cait      just asking - you are the one to accept the patch :)
21:52 chris     yes
21:51 cait      so ok to change some mediumtexts to text?
21:51 chris     ie 64k
21:49 chris     text is pretty damn huge
21:49 cait      mediumtext is bigger than text, right? so it's probably not safe to change mediumtext to text?
21:49 chris     good idea
21:48 cait      I will sort the similar fields together and make a suggestion
21:46 cait      we have a lot of different data types there
21:44 chris     cool
21:44 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent
21:44 cait      looking at the borrowers table structure now - bug 3777
21:39 cait      goo dnight magnus :)
21:38 magnus    good night, folks!
21:29 cait      yep, like in enterprise
21:24 magnus    i think it's also slang for BMW ;-)
21:23 magnus    as in "beam me up, scotty"?
21:22 * cait    thinks that it's really time to invent beamers
21:22 cait      :)
21:22 magnus    and my mother is coming to visit, so i get to make 3 pizzas!
21:21 magnus    yes it is!
21:21 cait      magnus: hey, tomorrow is pizza friday!
21:18 cait      lol
21:18 magnus    cait: i'm just not too fond of kids being taught they can get sweets from adults by threatening them...
21:17 cait      aw
21:17 cait      magnus: you don't like pumkins and cute costumed kidsẞ
21:16 magnus    yeah, guess it is. i wish they would keep halloween to themselves too... ;-)
21:15 chris     thanksgiving is purely an american thing
21:14 magnus    so thanksgiving is not a big thing in nz either? it seemed that guy fawkes was...
21:12 cait      yeah
21:12 chris     all the usians on holiday
21:12 magnus    wow, it's quiet here tonight... ;-)
20:30 chris     yeah
20:29 cait      updating the committers list?
20:29 chris     now to update the about page
20:26 chris     catching up
20:26 chris     :)
20:25 cait      :)
20:25 cait      koha historian at work?
19:28 richard   hey chris
19:28 chris     hiya richard
19:28 richard   hi
18:53 slef      time to get dinner now, though
18:53 slef      ok, I've a bit more work to do then :-/
18:50 chris     something like that
18:49 slef      Warn how? A note in the new MARC to look in the logs, and dump the old one to the error_log in a warn?
18:49 slef      It'll still explode because the MARC binary is wrong too, but at least we should be able to delete it and recatalogue.
18:38 chris     Better than asplode
18:38 chris     Recreate from the marc, and warn it did so seems fine to me
18:37 chris     Yup
18:37 slef      Trouble is, once the record has been imported into Koha, Koha barfs on most operations.
18:36 slef      I know how the xml became incomplete. One source keeps sending records which claim to be MARC-8 but are actually Latin-1.
18:36 slef      chris: it'll be cloudy in 20 minutes.
18:27 chris     Or something
18:27 chris     But we should somehow alert the user and tell them to ask their it to check the logs
18:26 chris     So in short I think its better than not doing it slef
18:24 chris     Cloudy my butt, its a gorgeous morning
18:24 chris     Else we risk masking a problem would be my fear
18:23 chris     And then find out how the xml became incomplete
18:23 chris     But we'd want to report that and fix
18:22 chris     Yep
18:22 slef      If the marcxml field is incomplete, we can't read it except by hand.
18:22 munin     chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
18:22 chris     @wunder wellington nz
18:19 chris     Unlikely but we should provide feedback that we did that I guess
18:18 chris     Well you might want to report it did that, there is a chance there might have been data in the xml that wasn't in thr marc
18:14 slef      I'm wondering if there's a nasty drawback to doing that, though.
18:13 slef      (I know it doesn't at the moment, but I just made it do so to fix a problem at one library and I could submit it.)
18:12 slef      Should C4::Biblio::GetXmlBiblio regenerate from the marc if the marcxml field is incomplete?
17:58 ibot      marc is the standard that isn't
17:58 chris     marc?
17:58 chris     marc is the standard that isn't
17:58 ibot      leader is, like, http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html or http://www.unimarc.info/holdings/1/en/000
17:58 chris     leader?
17:57 ibot      okay, chris.
17:57 chris     ibot: leader is also http://www.unimarc.info/holdings/1/en/000
17:52 ibot      leader is http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html
17:52 slef      leader?
17:52 slef      leader/
17:52 slef      leader is http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html
17:52 munin     slef: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
17:52 slef      @marc 001
17:52 munin     slef: unknown tag ldr
17:52 slef      @marc ldr
17:52 munin     slef: unknown tag leader
17:52 slef      @marc leader
16:14 cait      hi magnus, hi aarkerio
16:14 aarkerio  hola!
16:14 magnus    good afternoon cait
16:13 cait      hi #koha
15:52 magnus    hehe
15:52 daniel    now i know what i'm going to do while eating breakfast. bbl
15:51 daniel    omg, i just saw you posted 413 more under new zealand
15:50 daniel    cool, thanks
15:50 magnus    that's a weka - also flightless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weka
15:49 magnus    i'm gonna add all the bird names one of these days...
15:49 daniel    http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5205863579/in/set-72157625465384630/
15:49 daniel    that's what i thought, but this one confused me:
15:48 magnus    nope, they only come out at night
15:48 daniel    is one of those a kiwi?
15:48 magnus    hiya daniel! and thanks!
15:47 slef      fnarr
15:47 daniel    magnus: great bird photos!
15:47 slef      good afternoon daniel
15:47 munin     daniel: The current temperature in Castro/San Francisco, San Francisco, California is 3.7�C (7:00 AM PST on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Rising).
15:47 daniel    @wunder 94114
15:47 daniel    good morning, folks
15:46 aarkerio  thx!
15:46 slef      aarkerio: look in the manuals and so on for "serials".  There is often much discussion on the lists / in the forums about them.
15:45 munin     slef: The ISSN, a unique identification number assigned to a continuing resource. (Repeatable) [a,y,z,2,6,8]
15:45 slef      @marc 022
15:45 slef      ISSN
15:43 aarkerio  I mean, there is something like ISBN for magazines?
15:41 aarkerio  hi! somebody knows a doc about how capture scientific magazines in Koha?
15:39 slef      we're OK, but other places are still freezing today and the UK is not configured for this
15:38 magnus    hehe
15:38 slef      magnus: show-off.
15:38 munin     magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (4:20 PM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
15:38 magnus    @wunder bodo, norway
15:35 munin     slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 3.4�C (3:35 PM GMT on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
15:35 slef      @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
15:25 munin     kf: The operation succeeded.
15:25 kf        @later tell owen I have added your patch to my branch - thx again :)
14:50 kmkale    hey magnus
14:48 magnus    hiya laurence, tcohn, kmkale & yhager
14:43 kmkale    hi all
14:20 magnus    that was quick... ;-)
13:58 druthb    :)  hi, kf!
13:52 kf        hi druthb :)
13:41 slef      thanks 1000
13:38 kf        :)
13:38 slef      ok, I'll look at xslt and query their tag number :)
13:38 slef      very odd
13:38 slef      look, 400 is historical :-/ but still not title
13:37 slef      kf: the whole bug report smells bad to me, so it wouldn't surprise me.
13:37 slef      actually, I've another 5mins
13:36 kf        slef: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd4xx.html 400 seems a bit strange to me - not 490?
13:35 slef      thanks both... bbi60ish
13:35 kf        ah ok
13:35 slef      3.0+customisations
13:34 kf        you can add fields, use keyword subtitle
13:34 slef      Ah, that won't work for this one yet.
13:34 kf        under administration
13:34 kf        it's new in 3.2
13:34 slef      I'll look at keyword-to-marc-mapping.  Where is it known?
13:34 kf        not sure 400 is shown
13:34 slef      Their particular example was Series Title, subfields from 400.
13:33 slef      I think they are non-xslt, but I will check that.
13:33 kf        and it's known that some things are missing, subfields from 245 - but you can use the keyword-to-marc-mapping under administration to make them show
13:33 kf        if they use that, it will vary a lot
13:33 kf        slef: there is no xslt for results in intranet
13:32 slef      in how the hits are displayed: which tags/subtags
13:32 magnus    "more consistent" in look & feel or in the hits that are displayed?
13:23 slef      I've an unusual bug report here, asking for the opac and intranet catalogue search results displays to be made more consistent.  Seems like this should be a known bug if it's general - anyone know it, or could the librarian have messed up some setting?
11:08 magnus    hi kf
10:51 kf        hi slef and magnus
10:41 slef      magnus: session timeout - but I see it's only once in the archive (although misthreaded)
10:25 magnus    but GMail might be doing some tricks in the background
10:24 magnus    slef: "Koha custom search engine"? i only see it once
10:20 slef      Anyone else get LBA's koha list email three times or have I got a mailserver problem?
10:13 magnus    man i hate it when the F-16 jetfighters suddenly fly low over our roof - and scares the bejeezus out of the dogs!
10:03 magnus    kia ora #koha
08:25 ivanc     hallo #koha
08:20 kf        hi #koha
07:28 cait      ok, time for work - bbl
07:15 cait      so no hacking - but still some fun ;)
07:15 cait      christmas market opens this weekend and a friend is visiting for the weekend
07:05 chris     :)
07:04 cait      showed me the website some time ago :)
07:04 cait      imp will be jealous
07:03 chris     That's my weekend
07:03 chris     https://www.kiwicon.org/
06:45 brendan_l free software++
06:44 chris     I hate the record companies
06:39 chris     Yeah lame
06:37 brendan_l wow that's sorry to read on an free software irc channel -  "you are not allowed to see this video in your country"
06:34 cait      oh
06:34 chris     Just a song I like
06:31 cait      what is it about?
06:31 cait      yeah, "you are not allowed to see this video in your country"
06:31 chris     Sorry bout that
06:30 chris     Really how dumb
06:28 cait      not allowed to see it...
06:27 chris     http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=u5C-YHSy3Fw
06:26 brendan_l whoops cause
06:26 brendan_l cait++ just cuase
06:26 brendan_l heh :)
06:22 cait      I was already typing brendan+... :)
06:19 cait      did you have to say that?
06:14 brendan_l I like the nice round number that I have
06:14 brendan_l heh :)
06:14 munin     brendan_l: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
06:14 brendan_l @karma brendan
06:14 munin     brendan_l: Karma for "cait" has been increased 42 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 42.
06:14 brendan_l @karma cait
06:14 brendan_l wow owen kicks ass
06:14 munin     brendan_l: Karma for "owen" has been increased 186 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 181.
06:14 brendan_l @karma owen
06:13 brendan_l owen++
06:08 cait      owen made some a patch for my state branch, going to apply it later :)
06:08 cait      :)
06:08 cait      thx for pushing my patch
06:08 chris     Hi cait
06:07 * cait    goes to check the mailing lists
06:07 chris     Worth adding the wiki I reckon might just ignore scls
06:07 cait      hi chris
06:06 brendan_l ah - now I'm getting what you're were saying about scls
06:05 brendan_l heya chris
06:05 * chris   might just ignore it
06:05 chris     *sigh* now someone has to tell lori that scls doesn't and isn't going to use koha
06:04 chris     Why are you awake still brendan ? :)
06:00 cait      hi brendan :)
06:00 brendan_l hey cait
05:59 cait      hi #koha
03:58 Amit      heya brendan_l
03:58 brendan_l heya amit
03:56 brendan_l night jcamins
03:51 jcamins   Good night (again), #koha
03:51 jcamins   And now that I've done that, I'm going to go pretend that I'm not spending my entire holiday weekend working. ;)
03:50 munin     jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:50 jcamins   @later tell nengard I sent you a patch for the documentation. I noticed I left a few ANS-specific fields in the cataloging cheat sheet.
03:49 chris     :)
03:48 jcamins   Ah. git commit --amend --author
03:46 jcamins   How do I change the e-mail address of a commit?
03:41 jcamins   I wonder why it did that. I didn't install off the CD.
03:41 jcamins   There we go.
03:40 chris     wizzyrea_ might know
03:40 chris     theres probably some gui for it
03:40 chris     in that case
03:40 chris     you are probably gonna want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
03:40 jcamins   It wants to install off the CD.
03:40 jcamins   Uh-oh.
03:38 jcamins   chris++ # I knew chris would be able to tell me how to fix everything
03:37 chris     apt-get install git-email
03:37 chris     cos you dont have git-email installed
03:37 jcamins   Why does git think that "git send-email" isn't a command?
03:37 chris     hi Amit
03:36 Amit      heya chris
03:28 jcamins   ibot++
03:27 chris     seems to
03:27 ibot      no idea, jcamins
03:27 jcamins   ibot understands questions like that?
03:27 jcamins   !!
03:27 ibot      not sure are you using git?
03:27 chris     not sure
03:26 jcamins   Is there a separate list for doc patches now?
02:09 * druthb  waves, and heads out.
01:35 chris     :)
01:34 jcamins   So in case anyone here was wondering how to safely freeze paneer, the answer is definitely sautee *before* freezing.
01:25 chris     ahh bummer
01:25 jcamins   (the paneer all turned to mush when I took it out of the freezer)
01:24 jcamins   This saag isn't going to work.
01:24 jcamins   Good idea.
01:24 chris     its gonna get baked anyway, whats a bit of toasting on top
01:23 chris     lasagne?
01:23 jcamins   What can one do with slightly toasted ricotta?
00:57 chris     wow magnus just put up tons of photos
00:39 richard   all good then
00:38 chris     engarland
00:35 richard   who's batting?
00:35 chris     22/1 now
00:35 chris     coming back tho
00:35 chris     0/1
00:35 chris     hehe
00:34 slef      well, the ashes are off to a good start(!) time to sleep instead I think
00:05 munin     brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 9.2�C (4:05 PM PST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady).
00:05 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca