Time Nick Message 00:51 moodaepo @wunder 56001 00:51 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -8.5�C (6:51 PM CST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 am Wednesday to midnight CST Wednesday night... 01:21 gmcharlt @wunder seattle, wa 01:21 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Herrera Environmental Consultants, Seattle, Washington is -3.3�C (5:21 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady). 01:54 * jcamins_a curses the broken patch. 01:55 jcamins_a Editing the patch to remove the duplicate line results in an error message that the patch doesn't have an e-mail address. 02:12 chris_n deleting one of two content-type lines results in that error? 02:12 jcamins chris_n: yeah. 02:12 chris_n strange indeed 02:13 chris_n what is the commit id of the patch? 02:13 jcamins It is... 02:14 jcamins Ummm... 02:14 brendan_l heya chris_n hey jcamins 02:14 jcamins Is that the first line? 02:14 brendan_l gmcharlt - you in seatlle? 02:14 jcamins Hello, brendan_l. 02:15 chris_n jcamins: the md5 hash 02:15 gmcharlt brendan_l: no, just marveling at the unexpected snowstorm there 02:15 brendan_l ah 02:15 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca 02:15 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 2.0�C (6:12 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa (Rising). 02:15 jcamins chris_n: 88d95d7885614fd8c5fa50e478cc9a28 .git/rebase-apply/0076 02:15 brendan_l man that's cold here 02:16 jcamins @wunder 11105 02:16 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 14.9�C (9:11 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising). 02:16 jcamins And that is hot. 02:16 brendan_l a white thanksgiving in seattle 02:16 chris_n @wunder 28334 02:16 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 17.2�C (9:13 PM EST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising). 02:16 chris_n ich 02:16 jcamins chris_n: did I send you the wrong thing? 02:18 * chris_n can't seem to find a commit by that number in master 02:18 jcamins Hm. 02:18 chris rebasing changes commit hashes 02:19 jcamins It's the patch for Bug 5116. 02:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5, ---, ricmarques, NEW, Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" 02:20 brendan_l heh - always funny hearing chris say - there goes my house :) 02:21 * jcamins always pictures the Wizard of Oz 02:21 chris_n 95cb1c3 02:21 chris_n thats a while back 02:22 jcamins Yeah, I hadn't rebased this machine in a while. 02:24 jcamins That's really weird. 02:24 jcamins I'm looking at the patch on master, and I'm looking at the patch on my server, and sure enough, they have different headers. 02:25 * chris_n has to run, bbl 02:29 jcamins Okay, all fixed. 02:30 jcamins And I have no idea what changed. 02:30 jcamins I ran git rebase --abort twice in a row, then tried again, and it fixed it. 02:55 brendan_l @wunder 93117 02:55 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.9�C (6:55 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady). Freeze watch in effect from late Wednesday night through Thursday morning... 03:12 Amit heya chris 03:13 brendan_l heya amit 03:13 Amit heya brendan_l 03:14 yhager Does this error merrage say something to anyone (from koha 3.2) addbiblio.pl: Can't call method "title" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 896. 03:14 yhager sorry, message. Couldn't find any mention to anything similar in bugzilla 03:15 yhager @wunder v0g2c0 03:15 munin yhager: The current temperature in Castlegar, British Columbia is -13.0�C (5:00 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 03:15 yhager heh, it's cold here :) 03:25 bfleming ok, so quick question about members-search.pl 03:25 bfleming why is $base_url set to be __FILE__ ...? 03:52 kmkale hi all 03:55 Amit heya kmkale 03:55 kmkale hi Amit 03:56 kmkale its a miserable day here unseasonable clouds and rains. But I saw a *big* full rainbow to start the day off well :) 04:02 chris :( 04:03 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-explosion/4381393/Second-mine-blast-no-survivors 04:03 gmcharlt :( 04:08 bigbrovar chris: gmcharlt: He who never sleeps watches over them, no matter where there are now. 04:08 chris_n :-( 04:20 kmkale so sad :( 04:20 kmkale bbl 04:23 brendan_l ah finally have time to catch up on thd emails :) 04:39 bigbrovar Hi guys I was having some issues getting refined search by libraries to work. turns out I needed 952$a and b in tags once I added that to my marc searching by libraries started working. Now I am trying to get refine search by availability to work. I already have 952$7 set in my marc .. what other holding data field do I need to allow people refine their search to available items 04:45 brendan_l bug 4481 maybe of some help 04:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items 04:48 bigbrovar brendan_l: ahh so I was not doing it wrong then. I heard there is a patch somewhere, How can I get the patch and can it be applied on a working koha instance or I have to compile it from scratch again? 04:49 brendan_l not sure are you using git? 04:51 bigbrovar nope 04:51 bigbrovar I just downloaded the latest stable release. 04:54 bigbrovar brendan_l: most likely might have to wait for the next stable release upgrade my current instance then 04:55 * bigbrovar time to catch some sleep before day break 05:09 cait hi #koha 05:40 brendan_l heya cait 05:40 brendan_l heya hdl 05:41 hdl hi brendan_l 05:43 brendan_l hdl++ #just cause I saw some awesome pics of you from KohaCon 05:53 hdl brendan_l: thanks 05:56 cait hi brendan 05:57 cait hi hdl 07:02 brendan_l @wunder ukiah, ca 07:02 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is -0.4�C (10:59 PM PST on November 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Steady). 07:14 cait @wunder Konstnaz 07:14 munin cait: Error: No such location could be found. 07:14 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:14 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 07:16 chris @wunder wellingtn nz 07:16 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found. 07:16 chris @wunder wellington nz 07:16 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 07:16 chris @wunder fribourg 07:16 munin chris: The current temperature in Plaffeien-Oberschrot, Switzerland is -2.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: (Rising). 07:18 cait fribourg? 07:18 cait hi chris 07:18 chris thats where my friend penny is going today 07:19 chris she lives in switzerland 07:20 chris http://she.geek.nz/ 07:26 cait ah :) 07:27 cait not so far away 07:29 chris yup 07:32 cait chris? 07:32 ibot chris is awake to early 07:32 cait git? 07:33 ibot freaking rules 07:33 cait ibot is cool :) 07:33 cait ibot? 07:33 ibot cait? 07:33 cait ok, time to stop playing and go to work 07:33 cait bye :) 07:35 Amit @wunder New Delhi 07:35 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 20.0�C (12:30 PM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 07:35 Amit @wunder Dehradun 07:35 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 21.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa. 07:35 Amit @wunder Bangalore 07:35 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 23.0�C (11:30 AM IST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. 07:52 hdl re 08:05 bfleming @wunder Livingston Montana 08:05 munin bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -22.0�C (12:53 AM MST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -27.0�C. Windchill: -34.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 5 PM MST Wednesday... 08:36 kf hi #koha 08:37 bfleming hello 08:37 ibot bonjour, bfleming 08:37 hdl hi kf 08:37 hdl so there are two bots now... 08:37 hdl @seen chris 08:37 munin hdl: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 1 second ago: <chris> yup 08:38 hdl I am looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search. 08:39 hdl I cannot get to configuration pages. Is it because of permissions ? 08:39 hdl chris Is there a How To write db_dependent tests ? 08:40 hdl much of its code still relies on smolder tests. Is it still OK to use that ? 08:50 ivanc hi #koha 09:02 magnus ata marie, #koha 09:41 kf closed wrong window :( 09:43 magnus kf: ah, i thought i scared you off... 09:45 kf magnus: no :) 09:45 magnus :-) 09:58 braedon|h @wunder auckland 09:58 munin braedon|h: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 10:06 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 10:06 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0�C (10:50 AM CET on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 10:07 magnus and this is what it actually looked like this morning: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5203884872/ ;-) 10:21 kf we have grey sky again 10:56 bigbrovar kf: thanks once again for your help yesterday. 10:57 kf no problem bigbrovar - glad it helped 10:57 bigbrovar magnus: thanks too. You guys rock 10:58 magnus np bigbrovar :-) 12:08 magnus kia ora nengard 12:08 nengard hiya magnus 12:12 magnus hiya tcohen 12:13 tcohen hi magnus 12:13 tcohen just got my morning coffee 12:13 tcohen its early 9 in the morning here : D 12:14 magnus lucky - a full day ahead... ;-) 12:14 magnus s/lucky/lucky you/ 12:18 magnus lunchtime here - bbl 12:38 * druthb watches jwagner closely, for signs of attempts to make her miserable. They won't succeed, of course. 12:45 * jwagner will give druthb a break for today. Will return to the effort after Thanksgiving. 12:45 druthb groooooovy. 12:45 jwagner It's harder to make someone miserable from a distance and I'm working from home today :-) 12:58 gmcharlt here's the to Thanksgiving cease-fire ;) 13:00 hdl hi gmcharlt 13:00 gmcharlt hi hdl 13:00 hdl Happy Thanksgiving american folks 13:03 kf gmcharlt++ 13:03 kf we did a test upgrade of our production server today - worked great, no mysql errors, no problems so far :) 13:04 gmcharlt cool 13:08 hdl kf: which version are you upgraing from ? 13:09 kf 3.01.61 13:09 kf straigt forward :) 13:10 kf have to test a bit more, at the moment I am anonymizing the database 13:57 * owen thinks all the Americans must be off baking 13:57 * druthb waves to owen and schuster. 14:02 * nengard doesn't bake 14:03 * nengard goes to other people's houses - they bake for her 14:05 hdl bake 14:05 hdl wave 14:05 hdl micro 14:05 * druthb loves to bake! :) 14:05 hdl hehe owen there is a life out there. 14:06 gmcharlt nengard++ # that's the best way to do it 14:06 nengard :) 14:07 nengard I do have to get a bday cake today 14:07 nengard it's momma's bday tomorrow 14:07 nengard but i'll be buying that - not baking 14:09 * jwagner isn't baking, just hiding at home from all the traffic. Getting home yesterday was bad enough.... 14:10 * owen has some potato-peeling to do tonight 14:15 * kf likes baking 14:18 * druthb waves to magnus 14:18 * magnus waves back to druthb 14:22 schuster happy Gobble gobble! 14:26 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:26 jcamins Baking? 14:26 * jcamins wishes he were baking 14:26 magnus g'day jcamins 14:27 magnus nah... 14:28 jcamins magnus: you don't want to bake? 14:29 magnus well, i wouldn't mind i guess, i'm just not doing it at the moment 14:30 kf jcamins: what would you like to bake? 14:30 jcamins Hm. 14:31 jcamins I would like to bake those wonderful pain au chocolat. :) 14:31 * jwagner invites jcamins, kf, and druthb over to bake for me 14:31 druthb :D 14:31 kf jcamins: yummy 14:32 jcamins kf: yeah, I was very happy with the results. 14:32 kf perhaps you should start a photo blog... 14:32 kf or an international delivery service ;) 14:33 kf oh 14:33 jcamins kf: I tried the blogging thing once. 14:33 jcamins I don't have a camera. 14:34 kf question: someone willing and able to sign-off on my patch for adding state to all 3 addresses? 14:34 jcamins Nor do I write good addresses. 14:34 jcamins Argh! 14:34 jcamins Recipes. 14:35 kf lol 14:35 kf yeah, I understood ;) 14:35 jcamins That makes one of us. ;) 14:36 kf I have a recipe from you - it looked good to me 14:51 jcamins kf: it's an illusion. 14:51 owen kf, what's the bug number of your state patch? 14:52 kf owen: looking it up 14:53 kf Bug 5422 14:53 kf bug 5422 14:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses 14:53 kf ah, for a moment I thought munin lost the bot fight 14:53 kf and ignore the typo... address 14:54 jcamins ibot? 14:54 ibot yes, jcamins? 14:54 jcamins Apparently they came to a truce. 14:55 kf owen: is that ok? a branch? I can create patches later 14:55 owen Yeah, only now I have to remember how to check out from someone else's repo :) 14:55 kf oh, I can tell you :) 14:56 owen Is that on the wiki? If not, tell me and I'll add it 14:56 jcamins kf++ # for git awesomeness 14:56 kf the repo is 14:56 kf jcamins: chris++ for teaching me at kohacon :) 14:58 kf git remote add <your name for it> <url> 14:59 kf git fetch <your name for it> 14:59 kf git checkout -b <your branch name> <your name for it>/<name of branch at public repo> 15:00 kf hope that makes sense :) 15:02 owen Yes, thanks! 15:03 kf thanks for testing :) 15:09 owen kf: Good news, nothing broke! ;) 15:09 owen kf: I wonder if it would be logical to apply the same change to the structure of the branches table? 15:09 kf file a bug for it ;) 15:09 kf I think it would be, but better make a separate patch for it 15:10 owen Yeah, I agree. It doesn't hold up the usefulness of your changes 15:10 kf and feel free to make the display better - I was not sure how it has to look like 15:12 owen Oh, I see something else to put on the list (sorry) 15:12 kf no problem 15:12 owen The cities table should be updated to offer a state field as well 15:12 kf oh 15:12 kf we don't use that, have not thougth about it 15:13 kf I think filing bugs with some information how it has to work would be good 15:13 kf we don't have that in addresses here 15:13 owen Yes, I'll file separate bugs for those two ideas 15:17 kf that would be great 15:17 jcamins nengard: 30-something pages of documentation coming your way. Happy Thanksgiving! 15:18 nengard woo hoo!! :) 15:21 kf jcamins: what is the topic? :) 15:22 jcamins I know that nothing makes a person, especially a documentation manager, thankful like the thought "at least I didn't have to write *this*." 15:22 owen Hopefully baking 15:22 jcamins kf: Koha. 15:22 jcamins It's the ANS site manual. 15:22 kf ? 15:22 jcamins So now nengard can take what's useful for the main manual. 15:22 jcamins I documented how we do things, and all our configuration. 15:23 jcamins Painfully. 15:23 kf ah 15:23 kf :) 15:23 jcamins The problem is that I had to write it in Microsoft Word, and then I didn't really have any way to get it out other than copy-and-paste. 15:23 kf doing that in German for my coworkers right now 15:23 * jcamins hates MS Word 15:26 jcamins Well, feel free to translate any useful parts of the ANS's documentation into German. 15:27 kf jcamins++ 15:36 nengard k - i think i'm done with reports for today 15:41 kf hdl: I can't reach http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=summary - is it broken? 15:42 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=summary 15:42 hdl No cgi-bin/gitweb 15:43 hdl kf: where did you get that link from ? 15:43 kf public repo site on the iwki 15:43 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_Git_Repositories 15:49 nengard jcamins i like the cataloging sheet!! 15:50 nengard gonna find a way to get that into the manual 15:50 kf hdl: I updated the link 15:50 nengard even though it's not koha specific - it is something i get asked for 15:50 jcamins Lesson for posterity: if you have run a script which opens and saves every record, it might not be a good idea to use the log viewer over that time period. 15:50 jcamins nengard: I'm not surprised. 15:51 jcamins Especially for sites that have just migrated from a non-marc system. 15:52 * jcamins remembers when all web browsers had frame rates. 15:52 jcamins He doesn't know how he didn't go mad, now that he's experiencing it all over again. ;) 15:54 hdl kf: thanks 15:57 owen kf: Sent you a patch with some additional changes for Bug 5422 15:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5422 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Separate state field for patron's adresses 16:00 kf owen: great - thank you! 16:01 kf I have another one that needs sign-off: bug 5430 16:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5430 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn 16:02 kf owen: oh scary, I used a grep to find all files - wonder how I missed all those! 16:03 owen It was only one template file missing the state, but all those scripts use that same include 16:03 kf yeah, but they should have shown up :( will check my command 16:03 kf can you perhaps attach for patch to the bug? 16:04 kf I am not sure how to get the patch out of your mail correctly 16:04 owen I think if you save the email as a text file you can apply it just like that 16:05 kf we are talking about ms outlook here... 16:06 kf I think it will miss the header - telling it that it was you who wrote it 16:06 owen I'll send it to you as an attachment 16:07 jcamins Does anyone else use 583 Action Note? 16:08 wizzyrea what I learned about patches from email 16:08 wizzyrea you have to have the FROM header at the top 16:08 wizzyrea a SUBJECT header 16:09 wizzyrea and the content (all content) of the body of the message 16:09 wizzyrea and good morning. 16:09 * jcamins goes to add "good morning" to all his patches. 16:10 wizzyrea lol o no 16:10 gmcharlt jcamins++ 16:10 * wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add "good morning" to all of your patches. 16:10 gmcharlt @quote add * wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not* have to add "good morning" to all of your patches. 16:10 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #105 added. 16:11 wizzyrea >.< lol 16:11 jcamins Good morning, wizzyrea. 16:12 wizzyrea good morning, jcamins 16:17 jwagner chris_n, online? 16:18 jwagner I know I remember seeing a bug about searching by date in the label creator, where if you click select all in the results list it only adds the first title to the batch. I can't find the bugzilla report, though. Anyone remember this one, and whether it's fixed? 16:19 kf owen++ thx 16:23 wizzyrea jwagner, are you thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5391 16:23 munin 04Bug 5391: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, can't add multiples to batch 16:23 owen kf: What resource uses control number as the search point? 16:24 kf it depends where your records are from 16:24 jwagner wizzyrea, thanks -- that's it! 16:25 slef owen: was bug 3652 default escape => "HTML" patch ever applied? 16:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities 16:25 kf I am quite sure you can build a link for worldcat, we will use it for our union catalog and for academic libraries that participate in our union catalog and have those numbers, like the university of heidelberg 16:25 kf owen: I can give you an example, give me a second 16:25 owen slef: No. It went into a testing branch and that was the last I heard of it 16:26 owen slef: I wonder if the switch to template toolkit makes it moot 16:26 slef owen: do you know.... heh, snap! 16:26 kf owen: enter this as control number in one record for testing: 316187453 16:27 slef owen: OK if I add it to the 3.4 Roadmap as a must-have if the switch to template toolkit doesn't happen? 16:27 kf owen: and this as search link: http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN={CONTROLNUMBER} 16:27 owen slef: Fine with me. 16:27 slef munin: @later tell chris_n would you consider fixing bug 3652 in 3.2.x? 16:27 munin slef: Error: "@later" is not a valid command. 16:28 slef @later tell chris_n would you consider fixing bug 3652 in 3.2.x? 16:28 munin slef: The operation succeeded. 16:28 slef munin: ratbag. 16:28 munin slef: Error: "ratbag." is not a valid command. 16:30 wizzyrea ratbag? 16:30 ibot it has been said that ratbag is an affectionate term, often bandied about in a playful manner. It's best not to get offended. 16:32 slef Updated http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RFCs_for_Koha_3.4#Template_Toolkit 16:32 druthb wizzyrea? 16:32 ibot wizzyrea is probably a ray of sunshine. 16:33 slef Where's the manual? 16:33 ibot the manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 16:33 slef Who's your daddy? 16:34 wizzyrea who's your daddy? 16:34 kf slef? 16:34 druthb ibot: daddy? 16:34 ibot daddy is chris 16:34 slef kf: erm, no 16:34 * wizzyrea giggles 16:35 kf nah, just checking what he knows about you :) 16:35 kf ibot: botsnack chocolate chip cookie 16:35 ibot thanks kf :) 16:35 wizzyrea slef? 16:35 ibot slef is, like, an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge 16:36 wizzyrea slef? 16:36 ibot i think slef is an avid cyclist 16:36 kf owen: so it did work for you? 16:36 owen Yup, worked perfectly 16:36 kf cool :) 16:36 kf it will be really handy for our catalogs around here 16:37 kf owen++ 16:41 nengard jcamins cheat sheet added to the manual 16:41 nengard wizzyrea if you want to pull the 3.2 manual then jcamins can see it ;) 16:41 jcamins Woohoo! 16:41 jcamins nengard++ 16:41 nengard not i'll read the rest, but that guide was a biggie!! 16:41 wizzyrea heh in a few I will (workin on something right this second) 16:41 nengard np 16:42 * jcamins didn't want it to be said that he didn't provide enough details. :) 16:42 owen Okay, Koha interlude over. Back to non-Koha coding. 16:42 jcamins All our interns now know to turn white when I say "oh, hey, I just printed out X for you." 16:54 kf bye :) 17:11 chris_n slef: by all means, yes 17:11 * chris_n wonders how that got overlooked 17:30 slef chris_n: thanks. 17:30 chris_n slef: has that patch been tested/committed, etc? 17:31 slef chris_n: I don't know and couldn't find it. owen mentioned something about it being on a testing branch. 17:31 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=fad17c9da3f67edde212a179fbaeaf67efba2417 17:32 slef chris_n: if you're willing to consider it for release, I think I'm willing to test it. 17:32 slef chris_n: OK, that's confusing. I thought owen wrote the patch, not gcollum. 17:32 chris_n slef: if that is the correct fix, I'll push it now 17:32 slef chris_n: also, I don't understand why my git log didn't see that commit. 17:32 owen That's just one small fix 17:33 * chris_n realizes that is already there :-P 17:33 owen http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1d4d4d15c5038f2c668a232b3a169c20df31966 17:33 chris_n so we have that in 3.2.x atm 17:34 chris_n is the current status of the bug correct? 17:35 owen My patch for Bug 3652 has only been pushed to a testing branch, new/bug3652 17:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities 17:35 chris_n owen: will your patch finish the fix 17:35 slef Maybe that should be PATCH-Sent? 17:35 owen No, that patch will only cover the OPAC 17:35 slef with a note/link to where the patch is? 17:35 owen Actually I thought I'd sent fixes for the staff client too 17:36 chris_n slef: I will push any security/exploit related patches 17:39 owen I do have changes for the staff client, but the work is a few months old now. I'm sure it will have to be updated. 17:40 owen I'm willing to do so, but I'm wondering if the template-toolkit change will make my work invalid for 3.4 17:41 slef I suspect it will, as long as it happens. It's still good for 3.2. 17:41 slef And we might end up needing it for 3.4. 17:42 * chris_n thinks any security related bugs should be fixed regardless 17:45 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template_toolkit_test 17:46 chris any changes you make will carry over 17:47 chris escape=HTML becomes | h in TT 17:49 chris and |url etc 17:51 slef chris: can we set a default, though? 17:51 slef rather than rely on people remembering |h after everything 17:53 chris yes we can, but then you have to change everywhere you want to turn it off too 17:53 chris the first cut of template::toolkit conversion is provide an equivalent version 17:54 chris phase 2, we can change things like the default 17:55 slef When's phase 2? 17:56 owen chris: I've done work to do that, to set the default and to change everywhere we want to turn it off 17:57 owen I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an aspect of template-toolkit that would make my work invalid 17:57 chris nope, none at all owen 17:57 owen Glad to hear it :) 17:57 slef chris: so we can get owen's patches into 3.2 and then get an equivalent version for 3.4 from the TT-conversion? 17:57 chris yep 17:57 slef cool. 17:58 chris people testing the templates would be very handy 18:00 chris_n slef: I'll push fixes as chris pushes them to head 18:28 chris I might get a chance today 18:29 chris More likely tomorrow 18:29 chris I think this horrible tradgedy might mean I need to help out on stuff 18:30 wizzyrea :( so awful 18:33 slef On a happier note, would anyone like to opine about bug 5377? I think Koha 3.0 also rejects multiple ISBNs on some MARC imports but I could be wrong. 18:33 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5377 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Database fields too small for multiple ISBN and ISSN 18:34 gmcharlt slef: IMO, if we need to store all ISBNs in some fashion outside of the MARC record, we should do it Right (tm) and create a separate table 18:34 gmcharlt specifically, a biblioisbns 18:34 gmcharlt or more generally 18:34 jcamins gmcharlt++ 18:34 chris Yeah 18:34 gmcharlt a biblio_attributes 18:35 chris Do we need to store them outside tho? 18:35 gmcharlt good question 18:36 gmcharlt for the purpose of generating displays, main advantage would be to avoid a MARC/MARCXML parsing it, so a separate table to cache them could be speedy 18:36 gmcharlt another purpose would be to enable SQL queries on bib records using something faster than MySQL's rlike operator 18:37 wizzyrea would this proposal also help the issue of multiple ISBN's for a single record (i.e. 10 vs 13 digit ISBN) 18:37 chris Right, so for acqui where we haven't already parsed the full record? 18:38 chris Not by just changing a field size, no not really wizzyrea 18:39 wizzyrea the reason I ask that question is because you have to put the 10 digit ISBN in the marc field first for amazon covers to show 18:39 jcamins wizzyrea: didn't BibLibre have a fix for that? 18:39 wizzyrea probably 18:40 jwagner Bug 4305, I think. It's on my list. 18:40 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, RESOLVED FIXED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13 18:40 chris Yeah that's a sep issue 18:40 gmcharlt and I suspect it may have to be reopened 18:40 wizzyrea but, (and it's likely i'm not understanding correctly) abstracting the ISBN's might make it easier to work with amazon. Or not. I really don't know. 18:41 gmcharlt most books published in the last few years don't have ISBN-10s 18:41 jcamins I agree, though, that ISBN's shouldn't be stored in an ugly lump in a text field. 18:41 chris Not really 18:41 gmcharlt so I'm not quite sure if/how/why the Amazon API has a problem with ISBN-13s 18:41 chris Yep but I think maybe we don't store them outside the marc 18:42 jcamins chris: I would agree. 18:42 jcamins I think a biblio_attributes table for standard numbers is just going to lead to chaos and confusion. 18:42 chris That would be my fear 18:43 gmcharlt jcamins: well, not necessarily, but to do it right, we'd have to ensure that biblio_attributes was maintained purely automatically 18:43 chris And out of syncness 18:43 chris Yeah 18:43 gmcharlt i.e., the code would never write to that table directly 18:43 slef Anyone know where Fridolyn SOMERS is from? 18:43 slef (reporter of that bug) 18:43 chris Ch I think 18:43 jcamins gmcharlt: even with that, I think there would be problems. 18:44 chris I have a patch of theirs to test 18:44 jcamins ISBNs are *not* unique. 18:44 jcamins They're supposed to be, yet, but three books sitting on my shelf can assure you they aren't. 18:44 gmcharlt jcamins: well, no, but I don't think anybody was proposing to use them as a unique identifier 18:44 chris Crap bus has stopped 18:44 gmcharlt obviously publishers have long proven that they can't manage to assign ISBNs consistently 18:45 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, but then you need to use a join table. 18:45 slef Shall I summarise the desire for biblio_attributes in that bug report, or would gmcharlt or someone like to put it more eloquently? 18:45 gmcharlt slef: I'll put something in now 18:45 gmcharlt no guarantees about eloquence 18:46 gmcharlt slef: btw, what's up with the BL releasing 3 million bib records in RDF but not in a form that most libraries can use directly, i.e., MARC? 18:47 jcamins Which I guess wouldn't be so bad if biblio and biblioitem were combined, but it seems to me that queries would quickly get complicated otherwise. 18:47 jcamins gmcharlt: just following the lead of LC with id.loc.gov? 18:47 slef gmcharlt: I don't know. What's up with the BL releasing 3 million bib records under non-commercial licences? 18:48 gmcharlt slef: how is CC0 non-commercial? 18:49 gmcharlt it's essentially putting the records in the public domain, so commercial and non-commercial users can play alike 18:50 gmcharlt admittedly, it's churlish of me to ask "may I have some more?", but since very few library catalogs can do anything with RDF triples 18:50 slef gmcharlt: they changed from the last release? 18:50 slef I missed that. 18:50 slef Too little time... 18:50 gmcharlt slef: http://openbiblio.net/2010/11/17/jisc-openbibliography-british-library-data-release/ 18:51 slef oh well, maybe flaming them for NC did some good ;-) 18:51 gmcharlt heh 18:51 jcamins gmcharlt: it has been my observation that most library data is "released" in formats of doubtful value. 18:51 * jcamins coughs 18:52 gmcharlt gotta protect those MARC record monopolies, I guess 18:52 jcamins "next generation discovery tools" 18:52 slef is there something to make a XSLT to MARCXML non-trivial? 18:53 gmcharlt slef: RDFXML to MARCXL wouldn't be hard, but it looks like a lot of the information from the MARC records didn't make it to the RDF in the BL dataset 18:54 gmcharlt leaving the stones rather unbloody 18:55 slef hrm, blooming sausagemakers 18:55 * jcamins coughs 18:56 gmcharlt jcamins: coming down with a case of biblioitis? 18:56 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah. 18:57 jcamins I find it incredibly frustrating that I can't find out what books are *actually* owned by the library when I search in these next generation catalogs. 18:58 sekjal jcamins: *actual* ownership is soooo last century 19:00 slef I'm getting confused here. Does biblioitems.isbn ever contain multiple |-delimited values? 19:01 sekjal slef: it can, if multiple 020s are in the MARC 19:02 sekjal but the field size limit usually cuts the second number short 19:03 wizzyrea jcamins: heh, we only "license" our library materials nowadays. </snark> 19:03 slef sekjal: ok... I've got to figure out what patch to cherrypick. Thanks. 19:04 * wizzyrea imagines an EULA on the selfchecks. Dies a little inside. 19:04 wizzyrea afk, crying in beer. 19:06 sekjal slef: gladly. all this ISBN talk has made for the most entertaining lunch break in a while 19:06 * gmcharlt blinks 19:06 sekjal what that says about me, I'm not sure 19:07 * druthb waves, and heads out to catch the bus. 19:09 sekjal maybe its that I don't usually take lunch breaks... 19:09 sekjal anyway, time to get back to T-giving prep 19:11 sekjal thank you all for being part of this community! you guys are one of the many things i have to be thankful for 19:12 chris owen: gonna make a branch and apply your patch now, its all quiet at the news room 19:12 slef OK, I don't get this. According to git, this code isn't buggy in master, but according to git log -u master, it was never removed by a commit. Help! 19:13 owen chris: the patch is pretty old now, good luck 19:13 chris yeah, we'll see how much it conflicts 19:14 slef Does git log -u not show all diffs for the file? 19:14 chris if its really messy, ill push it up with the conflict markers, into its own branch, and ask you to look 19:14 chris oh, galen already did push it 19:15 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug3652 19:16 chris ill attempt to merge master in and see if it explodes 19:16 slef oh. dear. 19:16 slef I just found the source of my confusion. Bug introduced by a patch that's only on our fork :-((( 19:17 chris owen: only 2 conflicts 19:17 slef I lose. Time to shoot the reviewer. Oh, that's me. 19:17 chris and tiny ones too 19:17 chris yay 19:22 jcamins Wow! 19:22 jcamins Is bug 3652 the one for escaping the templates? 19:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities 19:22 chris yes 19:22 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug3652 19:22 jcamins That's a lot of changes. 19:22 chris feel free to test it out 19:23 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=f1d4d4d15c5038f2c668a232b3a169c20df31966 19:23 chris is the changes 19:24 owen Looks like my work on the staff client doesn't have too many conflicts either 19:25 chris owen: sweet, when you submit that, ill push it to the same branch 19:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5430: Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=703156daee740882c5ea6c7d6041969749a8a8dd> 19:30 hudsonbot Starting build 174 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:31 nengard 100 commit emails down - 200 to go ... manual updates a plenty :) 19:32 owen nengard++ 19:32 nengard i keep waiting for the time that I update the wrong edition of the manual .... 19:32 nengard this is the first time i've had to juggle two versions 19:33 jcamins manual? 19:33 ibot manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 19:33 jcamins I love that! 19:37 nengard hehe 19:39 wizzyrea manual pdf? 19:39 ibot rumour has it manual pdf is found at http://koha-community.org/wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/en/koha3-2manual-en.pdf 19:40 wizzyrea jcamins? 19:40 ibot it has been said that jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. 19:40 * chris_n tosses ibot a cookie 19:42 wizzyrea ibot: botsnack grape nuts 19:42 ibot :) 19:44 chris_n hudson? 19:46 richard hi 19:46 chris hi richard 19:46 chris_n hi richard 19:46 richard heya chris 19:46 richard and chris_n 19:47 gmcharlt hudson is my bestest bot-buddy ever 19:47 gmcharlt hudson? 19:47 ibot i heard hudson was your bestest bot-buddy ever 19:48 gmcharlt hudson is Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 19:48 jcamins hudson? 19:48 ibot i think hudson is gmcharlt's bestest bot-buddy ever 19:48 gmcharlt hmm 19:48 gmcharlt not quite what I had in mind 19:48 gmcharlt hudson? 19:48 ibot i think hudson is your bestest bot-buddy ever 19:48 richard ibot: hudson is also Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 19:48 ibot okay, richard. 19:49 gmcharlt hudson? 19:49 ibot i heard hudson was your bestest bot-buddy ever or Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 19:49 gmcharlt hudson is Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 19:49 gmcharlt hudson? 19:49 ibot rumour has it hudson is Koha's continuous integration server, http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/ 19:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #174: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/174/ 19:53 hudsonbot Katrin Fischer: Bug 5430: Add Control number as option to OPACSearchForTitleIn 19:58 jcamins [off] why no, my work definitely isn't more important than watching streaming netflix. 20:01 owen chris: Staff client patch for Bug 3652 sent 20:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities 20:02 chris cool thanks 20:13 chris pushed up to branch new/bug3652 20:14 owen It's a wide-ranging change. Difficult to test :| 20:16 slef Does anyone know how self-issue machines implement diacriticals and other non-ASCII characters over SIP? It doesn't seem to be specified in the 3M protocols. 20:16 gmcharlt slef: it's all over the map 20:16 gmcharlt various between devices that will accept anything that you throw at them (may not display diacritics correctly, though) 20:16 gmcharlt and others that may insist on particular character encodings 20:16 slef gmcharlt: deep joy. So again, I get to watch tcpdump to see what the client tries? Any idea how Koha behaves? 20:17 slef [off] with its infinging(?) evergreen(?) code 20:18 gmcharlt [off] not infringing, but a fork and one that doesn't currently properly give attribution to Georgia PINES, who paid for the development of the SIP library 20:18 chris [off] and something we should definitely fix, as we are slowly fixing the other messes that guy made 20:19 slef [off] I'm more concerned by the lack of attribution to the copyright holders IIRC. 20:19 wizzyrea slef: I have a 3M emulator here 20:20 gmcharlt slef: IIRC Koha just passes any UTF-8 characters over as is 20:20 slef wizzyrea: can you give it a patron card whose owner has a non-ASCII name? 20:21 wizzyrea I think so, gimme a min 20:22 trea slef: the library in basehor, ks i helped set up used 3M self issue machines; normally the client goes into a "maintenance mode" generic error screen when scanning diacriticals, specifically when scanning an item. 20:23 trea i don't recall it's behavior while scanning a patron card 20:23 slef trea: :-( 20:23 trea but chances are good i'd wager the same behavior out of patron cards as well 20:24 wizzyrea I can verify that actually, when given a card number with a + on the end, the sip connection hangs 20:25 wizzyrea as well as if there is a diacritic in any data that is passed back and forth (name, street, etc) 20:26 wizzyrea I bet we can access logs from the machines if that would help though, slef 20:27 slef wizzyrea: :-( Do you think koha needs to have an option to transliterate for SIP or something? 20:28 trea can you elaborate? 20:28 trea slef: 20:28 gmcharlt slef: an option to strip diacritics no doubt would help 20:29 wizzyrea ^^ what he said 20:29 slef trea: so ĉ becomes cx, and things like that. 20:29 slef gmcharlt: must we strip? Do we already depend on iconv? (/me checks) 20:30 slef yes, we already require Text::Iconv 20:31 gmcharlt slef: yep, allowing one to specify a character conversion would be more flexible; figuring out *what* encoding to use for a given device could be tricky 20:31 slef trea: Transliteration is the practice of transcribing a word or text written in one writing system into another writing system or system of rules for such practice. From a linguistic point of view, transliteration is a mapping from one system of writing into another, word by word, or ideally letter by letter. Transliteration attempts to be exact, so that an informed reader should be... http://a.vu/w:Transliteration 20:31 slef 20:34 slef slacker. 20:34 ebegin ibot doesn't know about logbot? ;) 20:34 ibot ebegin: what? 20:34 owen So, am I the only one who didn't know that in the "User Request for update of Record" the changed fields have an all-caps label? 20:34 slef ibot: you heard! 20:34 ibot slef: i'm not following you... 20:35 slef owen: I certainly didn't. :) 20:35 chris i didnt know that either 20:35 slef heh, secret features. one for nengard. 20:35 slef unless it's in the manual already 20:35 owen if($borrowerfield eq $newfield) { ... } else { $message .= uc($field) 20:35 slef where's the manual? 20:35 ibot the manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 20:35 slef ibot: ta 20:35 ibot slef: huh? 20:36 owen I was just going over the code hoping to be able to add a feature that would highlight the changed fields! 20:36 owen The trouble is it seems to always give a false positive on a few fields 20:36 owen Address, emailaddress, b-address 20:39 * owen sees an easy fix for the email false positive 21:11 chris ok, and its fully back now 21:44 slef chris: well done. 21:46 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:53 chris heya Nate 21:53 Nate hiya chris! 22:02 chris Nate: hows things going? 22:03 Nate great! pretty hectic though, but thats a good thing 22:03 chris yup 22:03 Nate how bout you? 22:03 chris the same :) 22:04 Nate 1600 NZ pics 22:04 wizzyrea flickr or it didn't happen ;) 22:04 wizzyrea unless you're naked. Then you can keep them to yourself. 22:04 chris cripes! 22:06 Nate HA 22:06 Nate flickr will happen but i need to get them on the computer first! 22:07 chris hehe 22:11 chris did you make it to all the places you wanted to go to? 22:15 russ heya nate 22:16 Nate Hey Russ! 22:16 Nate how goes it? 22:16 russ not bad 22:17 russ i second wizzyrea's call for flickr 22:17 * russ bets that you guys went places most of us kiwis havent even been yet 22:18 Nate :) 22:18 Nate yeah im def. gonna work on getting those up 22:18 chris i think they went to every single vineyard 22:19 Nate pretty much :) 22:19 russ nice 22:19 Nate i had to carry tow libby back to the homestay! 22:19 chris hehe 22:19 chris boosting the local economy, its all good 22:23 Nate yeah for you guys! 22:24 chris heh 22:38 bfleming @wunder Livingston Montana 22:38 munin bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -15.0�C (3:06 PM MST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 5 PM MST Thursday... 22:38 bfleming so...very...cold 22:38 chris thats stupid cold :) 22:39 bfleming nah, last night was -28c 22:39 chris yeah, thats beyond stupid 22:39 bfleming This is balmy by comparison 22:43 chris http://twitter.com/#!/jransom/status/7564820060569601 22:43 chris jo and I try to bribe people to heckle stephen abram 22:50 cfouts greetings, #koha 22:50 chris heya 22:50 cfouts can anyone who's not away preparing turkey explain the purpose of this: 22:50 cfouts RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} (.*?)(?:[A-Za-z0-9_-]+)=&(.*) 22:50 cfouts RewriteRule (.+) $1?%1%2 [N,R,NE] 22:50 cfouts in the httpd-conf? 22:52 chris the rest of the rules are important too 22:52 chris that first one is a regex 22:52 cfouts it has the effect of issuing a redirect to another URL with contiguous value-less variables being concatenated 22:53 chris was something liblime did back in the day to allow people to craft urls like 22:53 cfouts such that "defaults_items.booksellerid=&defaults_items.coded_location_qualifier=&defaults_items.price=10.00" becomes "defaults_items.defaults_items.defaults_items.defaults_items.price=10.00" 22:53 chris http://opac.library.org.nz/isbn/123456 22:54 chris was before my time at liblime, and yours as well :) 22:54 cfouts very much so 22:54 cfouts so many mysteries 22:54 chris yes, theres no reason to have that rewrite in the intranet 22:54 chris it provided the start of a nicer interface to the opac 22:55 cfouts I see. so it was an early RESTish sort of interface 22:55 chris yup 22:56 cait hi #koha 22:56 chris hi cait 22:56 cait hi chris :) 22:57 chris cfouts: http://opac.library.org.nz/bib/312 22:57 chris it still sorta works 22:58 chris heh that didnt work 22:58 chris try hitting http://opac.liblime.com 23:01 cfouts that's interesting 23:08 cfouts that's an old VMware instance, apparently been repurposed. 23:09 chris heh 23:10 cait slef: around? 23:11 cait chris, cfouts: what are you playing? 23:12 cait @later tell slef afaik our self check handles diacritics correctly - probably even hebrew titles 23:12 munin cait: The operation succeeded. 23:13 cait I worried a lot about hte self check before we went into production - but it really works great :) I love to watch the students when I am at the library for training. 23:14 cfouts cait: doing an archeological survey of Apache RewriteRules defined by default in Koha 23:14 cait wow 23:14 cait sounds like fun :) 23:15 cfouts there's a reason the party follows us 23:16 jcamins_a Woohoo! RewriteRule party in Koha-land! 23:20 chris cfouts: wanna see some even older stuff? 23:20 cait hi jcamins 23:20 cait there was something I wanted to tell you... 23:20 chris check out round line 116 in opac-search.pl 23:20 cait ah, we reelased 2.6 million records in marc21 ;) 23:20 * cfouts is afraid 23:21 chris its all commented out 23:21 cait cc0 23:21 * cait was reading back in the logs 23:21 cait but you perhaps not even remember the discussion :) 23:23 jcamins cait++ 23:23 cait it was not my idea - but I thought perhaps it would make you happy 23:24 druthb cait++ #for lotsa reasons. 23:24 jcamins Very. :D 23:26 cait druthb. hmpf! 23:26 druthb hmpf! :P 23:31 magnus good night #koha! 23:31 chris night magnus 23:33 * chris ducks out for lunch 23:36 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:36 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -0.1�C (5:36 PM CST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until midnight CST tonight... 23:37 * druthb shivers 23:37 druthb @wunder 20852 23:37 munin druthb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 5.1�C (6:33 PM EST on November 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). 23:40 cait @wunder Konstanz 23:40 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (12:40 AM CET on November 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). 23:40 * druthb hands cait a blanket. 23:41 cait thx 23:41 cait ok friends - time to sleep for me :) 23:41 cait see you in 8 hours 23:41 jcamins Good night cait. 23:51 chris back