Time  Nick       Message
23:59 * LBA      waves goodnight and says thanks for the help
23:18 cfouts     found it. Another danger of memoize(): memory leaks.
22:22 wizzyrea   meaning, that's correct behaviour
22:22 wizzyrea   (correct)
22:22 wizzyrea   nope, it always triggers for the item in hand
22:22 Brooke     I'll not be on too terribly much for a bit since I'll be attempting not to slaughter my sisters for a few days.
22:21 * Brooke   is off to pick up the little mister at the airport.
22:18 LBA        Seems like it should have triggered the hold on the previous item that got returned but it didn't.
22:17 LBA        wizzyrea, I checked in another copy of title and it did trigger hold as desired
22:16 chris      nope, they probably are running the rc
22:15 LBA        wizzyrea, yes, will try to check in another copy of that title
22:15 LBA        ByWater hosted...so could it be later version that it says in About?
22:15 cfouts     anyone here experienced memory leaks in MARC::Record?
22:14 wizzyrea   some bug fixes though
22:14 chris      i dont remember any transfers/holds changes between then and now tho, not any ones that were big enough to recall
22:13 chris      (at least pre 3.2.0)
22:12 chris      hmm thats a fairly old version too
22:12 wizzyrea   do you have another copy of that same title to check in?
22:12 LBA        I can check.  stand by.
22:12 LBA        3.01.00.145
22:12 wizzyrea   yea, I wonder if that hold is now abandoned.
22:11 LBA        wizzyrea, yes.  but when I said please no.  It seemed also to disregard the hold that was next in line to be filled at a different location.
22:11 chris      never transfer
22:11 chris      we could make another setting
22:11 wizzyrea   just curious what version you're working with
22:11 wizzyrea   did it pop you a "transfer home" and a "send on" window?
22:11 LBA        got it.  okay to that one.
22:10 chris      if its asking you, do you want to transfer, then its not automatically doing it
22:10 wizzyrea   that seems like right behavior
22:10 LBA        ah
22:10 chris      it initiates a transfer automatically
22:10 chris      with automatic return, it doesnt ask
22:10 chris      it asked you
22:10 chris      no it took all right
22:09 LBA        So, seems like it didn't "take"?
22:09 LBA        I just tested the "Don't" automatically return and when I checked in the item, the system wanted me to send it back home (which I didn't want) and it also showed it had a hold to fill at yet a different location.
22:07 wizzyrea   I dont think it does what she wants though
22:07 LBA        brooke, yes.
22:07 Brooke     LBA, were you looking for RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight earlier by chance?
22:06 pianohack  Yeah, sounds right
22:06 wizzyrea   I believe you are interpreting that correctly, yes
22:05 LBA        If I set "AutomaticItemReturn to "Don't" automatically transfer items to their home branch when they are returned...isn't that essentially telling the system you want to implement floating collections.  Where they are returned is where they should stay?  Or am I misunderstanding that setting.
21:57 Brooke     d'oh stupid alt tab preventing me from saying gnight
21:53 cait       bye all :)
21:53 cait       hm sleepy
21:51 * wizzyrea knows, is sufficiently frightened.
21:51 pianohack  I think so. Would you even spell it out like that?
21:51 Brooke     wizzy, you don't wanna know what changing an e on a law form entails.
21:50 wizzyrea   ante<-
21:50 wizzyrea   …shouldn't that be an 'e'
21:49 pianohack  good lord, this law. "8 o'clock antimeridian"? AFAIK, that's both wrong _and_ verbose
21:48 LBA        BUT, was hoping it would randomize all those except the first one.
21:48 wizzyrea   but, I don't think it will do what you want specifically
21:48 LBA        I know I can list all branches codes and it will prioritize pulling holds in that order.
21:48 cait       liz - always rescueing me :)
21:48 wizzyrea   comma separated
21:48 cait       perhaps someone can look at the code - I am not sure if you have to add all
21:48 wizzyrea   it takes a list of branchcodes
21:47 cait       I have read about it, but never tried it
21:47 cait       LBA: I am not sure, but I thin it will take a list of branchcodes
21:47 LBA        So would have to include all branch codes in that field?
21:47 pianohack  Hmm. I don't think Koha can do that, from what I remember of that code
21:46 pianohack  night jcamins
21:46 LBA        If I want holds to be filled by one particular branch first and then it should randomly pull from the other branches, how do I modify the StaticHoldsQueueWeight setting?
21:46 Brooke     for years it was Spitzer, so that was all it took.
21:45 Brooke     I've always just said the powerful little "Do not make me call my attorney general."
21:45 Brooke     night jared
21:45 chris      a lawyer with google
21:45 jcamins    Good night, #koha.
21:44 jcamins    And on that cheerful note, time to close up.
21:43 chris      i felt like a lawyer :)
21:43 jcamins    A collection agency tried to bully me into paying an old debt run up by the person who had my phone number a few years ago.
21:43 chris      it says
21:43 chris      i liked the, under section whatever paragraph whatever
21:43 cait       hehe
21:43 * jcamins  imagines reading a 28 page document to a collection agency that just made an international call to NZ and laughs evilly
21:42 pianohack  That would be scuzzy but believable
21:42 chris      nope :)
21:42 chris      i mean wtf, they could be anyone
21:42 chris      stopped them trying to make me pay them on the phone
21:42 jcamins    chris: I hope they didn't call collect?
21:41 chris      that bit
21:41 pianohack  Just in case something goes wrong
21:41 chris      Within five days after the debtor is first contacted, the collector must send the debtor a written notice telling the debtor the amount of money they owe, the name of the creditor to whom the debtor owes the money, and what action to take if the debtor believes they do not owe the money.
21:41 pianohack  Good thing to sum up for my parents and whatnot
21:41 pianohack  28 pages? This doesn't look bad.
21:41 chris      was the one i read out to them
21:41 chris      federal debt collection protection act
21:41 chris      FDCPA pianohack
21:40 pianohack  (schedule involves me waking up at 8:00 am two days a week, which is... suboptimal for a teenage CS major)
21:40 jcamins    Undergraduate wasn't quite so bad, as there were lots more classes on offer.
21:40 * Brooke   laughs at chris.
21:40 chris      i did say "you are welcome to fly here and try to collect, otherwise, send me an invoice"
21:39 pianohack  chris: I think I should read this act too, sounds relevant to my interests :)
21:39 pianohack  jcamins: Heh, yeah. I had to design my schedule next semester around work
21:39 chris      us law, nz law was even stricter
21:39 pianohack  chris: is this us or nz law?
21:39 jcamins    [off] and if you decide not to take out student loans, the faculty will *totally* not understand. "What, you can't come to class in the middle of the day?"
21:39 Brooke     the boy got his Controller's post from an internship
21:38 chris      they backed off
21:38 pianohack  They're very flexible about time off, but they can let me go if I so much as sneeze wrong
21:38 chris      including the fact they cant do a thing until they send me a full invoice of all they say we owe
21:38 Brooke     *nod*
21:38 pianohack  Brooke: we'll see. It's a student position at the moment, which has upsides and downsides
21:38 Brooke     gimme their address and I'll happily egg their agency for ye ;)
21:38 chris      but yeah, i read them the debt collection act
21:38 pianohack  oh, ouch
21:38 chris      well, its now paid off
21:37 chris      married to a debtor :)
21:37 pianohack  chris: You were a reference?
21:37 Brooke     if you get a gummint jorb, you can usually trick your employer into repaying for ye.
21:37 chris      pianohack: including calling nz, on xmas eve
21:37 Brooke     *nod*
21:37 * chris    was lucky, no student loans for me
21:37 pianohack  and the stuff they can do to collect in our wonderful country is _insane_
21:36 pianohack  debt in general, but student loans add up fast
21:36 chris      yeah
21:36 Brooke     student_loans--
21:36 pianohack  student_loans--
21:36 jcamins    student_loans--
21:36 Brooke     despite working me nuts off in grad school it was worth having about 9k less in loans when I got out.
21:36 pianohack  Trying to avoid as much student loans as I can, so I'll probably be working full-time over the summer
21:36 Brooke     good thinking
21:35 pianohack  Trying to save most of it for tuition
21:35 Brooke     oh congratulations :D
21:35 pianohack  Very much
21:35 chris      some pocket money must be good too
21:35 jcamins    pianohack: congratulations!
21:35 chris      *nod*
21:35 pianohack  Busy busy, but it's nice to have something outside of school
21:34 chris      cool :)
21:34 pianohack  Yup
21:34 chris      busy but good, and you? i see you got the job
21:32 pianohack  How's it going?
21:32 pianohack  hey chris
21:32 chris      heya pianohack
21:20 pianohack  hi cait
21:19 cait       hi pianohack
21:18 wizzyrea   doin well, how's school?
21:18 pianohack  How are you guys?
21:18 pianohack  hi liz
21:18 wizzyrea   Ph!
21:18 pianohack  Hallo brooke
21:18 * Brooke   waves at pianohack
20:56 * Brooke   waves to hbankhead
20:54 cait       and thx magnus
20:53 cait       thx chris
20:53 chris      meeting time bbiab
20:53 chris      but getting any tests is better than none
20:53 chris      but quite a few try to check the db for frameworks etc
20:52 chris      for a lot of tests
20:52 chris      yes
20:52 chris      and putting some sample records in t/data/ seems like a good idea to me
20:52 cait       but I think for biblio.pm perhaps some files will be ok?
20:52 cait       ok
20:52 chris      for how to do those type of tests
20:52 chris      cait: you might need to look at the files in t/db_dependent
20:51 cait       I looked at overdues - but same problem there. was not sure how to test that without data from the database
20:51 magnus     cait: append fields: http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.2/lib/MARC/Record.pm#append_fields%28_@fields_%29
20:51 magnus     cait: create a record: http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.2/lib/MARC/Record.pm#new%28%29
20:51 chris      yeah more tests for that would be excellent
20:51 cait       biblio.pm has only the use test right now
20:50 cait       I will try it
20:50 cait       ok
20:50 chris      having some sample marc records for testing wouldnt hurt at all
20:49 chris      my $file = MARC::File::XML->in( $filename ); my $record = $file->next();
20:49 chris      http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-XML-0.92/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm
20:49 cait       hm
20:48 chris      with MARC::File::XML
20:48 chris      and create the marc record from that
20:48 cait       chris: I think a test testing that borrowers and deletedborrowers have the same structure might be a good idea too - but no idea how to do that
20:48 chris      included with the test
20:48 chris      or you could maybe make a file
20:48 chris      well you could do a bunch of append_fields
20:47 cait       but how do I fill it with data?
20:46 chris      my $record = MARC::Record->new();
20:46 chris      use MARC::Record;
20:46 chris      you might have to create one in the test
20:45 cait       chris: if I wanted to write a test for my new routine (GetMarcControlnumber) - how can I provide a $record example?
20:45 chris      does someone want to signoff on cait's patch for 5423
20:43 cait       hm... think I get part of it now
20:41 trea       lucky!
20:39 * cait     goes to hide with laptop in bed
20:39 jcamins    Well, except for in NZ.
20:39 Brooke     <----- is contagious in bad ways.
20:39 jcamins    cait: it's Monday?
20:39 Brooke     cait: doing so will probably make you cross with us
20:39 * cait     wonders why all people soudn like Brooke today
20:39 chris      cait: im not sure its worth trying to understand our jokes :)
20:38 * Brooke   laughs at chris
20:38 cait       ???
20:38 chris      owen: that'd make anything angry
20:38 jcamins    Brooke: thanks for volunteering to make sure that no one preference tab gets too long! :D
20:38 chris      owen: well to be fair, you did give it that stupid mustache
20:37 wizzyrea   at least we got sausages out of the deal.
20:37 * Brooke   laughs at owen
20:37 * owen     remembers how the last button he added to Koha invaded Poland
20:37 * wizzyrea has seen much uglier preference panes in other software. This is downright pleasant to use.
20:37 jcamins    Oh, I see what you're saying.
20:37 Brooke     I just wonder what evil it will wreak ;)
20:37 Brooke     don't get me wrong I like the button
20:37 jcamins    *.
20:36 Brooke     so it used to be annoying enough that when you had to scroll for a button, you guys would tab the page
20:36 jcamins    Brooke: but they're still there, just without a convenient save button?
20:36 Brooke     having a slew of features to set on one page = daunting.
20:36 darling    hey
20:36 chris      darling: sup!
20:36 Brooke     we're feature rich, which is good
20:35 owen       Brooke: I don't understand
20:35 * Brooke   wonders how big and scary an individual preference page will become if the magic button is added...
20:35 * jcamins  doesn't know anything about the new preferences editor.
20:35 jcamins    owen: ah. That would explain it.
20:34 cait       wizzyrea: I think it's a good idea to make it work for all notices
20:34 * owen     may have to become so to get his idea working
20:34 owen       jcamins: I'm not sure that's possible. I'm not that familiar with the innards of the new preferences editor
20:34 jcamins    (I mean, in the situation that cait describes)
20:33 jcamins    Is there a reason we don't use a "Save all preferences" button?
20:33 wizzyrea   AutoEmailPrimaryAddress, why not make it "EmailPrimaryAddress" and make it work for all notices
20:33 wizzyrea   we already have a pref to send emails to the "first valid", why don't notices default to that
20:32 cait       because I do that a lot ... and half of the time I miss a save button
20:32 cait       owen: I like it, just wondering :)
20:32 owen       cait: I think under those conditions I'll have to prevent it from appearing
20:32 wizzyrea   ohhhhhh
20:32 Brooke     I know that silver is a theme, but can ye make it green or blue so it still fits in, but its appearance is noticeable?
20:32 cait       owen: what happens if you search for something and you have prefs from a lot of tabs?
20:31 jcamins    Nifty.
20:31 * chris    too
20:31 chris      yep
20:31 wizzyrea   aha, I like that
20:31 magnus     looks good to me, owen
20:30 Brooke     so the button will float instead of making me use precious finger muscles to scroll up or down?
20:27 owen       http://www.screencast.com/t/0abQk63wMo
20:27 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, New Sys Prefs Branch - Save Buttons under sections
20:27 owen       An idea for Bug 3988:
20:27 * cait     waves at Brooke
20:26 rhcl       hihi
20:26 magnus     hiya Brooke!
20:26 * Brooke   waves at magnus and rhcl
20:10 cait1      t
20:05 * druthb   waves, and leaves to catch her bus.
19:59 cfouts     good day
19:59 Brooke     hi cfouts
19:51 cait       chris_n: still hiding?
19:49 jcamins    Very poor sentence.
19:49 jcamins    We got it working some months earlier.
19:49 jcamins    That is, it worked properly before the transition.
19:48 jcamins    But we managed to get it working right before transitioning to ByWater, and apparently it was something so simple that I didn't think it was worth noting.
19:48 * wizzyrea will, but doesn't want to duplicate if someone's already typing
19:47 wizzyrea   so who wants to answer "we think you're confusing holds and holdings"
19:47 jcamins    dev.
19:47 owen       jcamins: Do you have a standard or dev install?
19:47 jcamins    I thought it was OPACBaseURL.
19:46 jcamins    owen: hm. We had a similar issue at first, but I don't remember what fixed it.
19:46 owen       emptying OPACBaseURL doesn't make the errors appear
19:46 chris      we should definitely stop them in our code though
19:45 chris      but not always actually a problem
19:45 chris      thats a warn, not an error, annoying
19:45 owen       I do get the Snowball.pm error: "addbooks.pl: Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /usr/lib/perl5/Lingua/Stem/Snowball.pm line 55"
19:44 jcamins    Unfortunately, I couldn't figure out which.
19:44 jcamins    Also, one of the errors there is a missing Perl module.
19:43 * owen     's logs are full of "preferences.pl: Use of uninitialized value $text in pattern match (m//) "
19:43 jcamins    (or maybe staffClientBaseURL... I'm not sure which)
19:42 jcamins    Erase OPACBaseURL and see if you can replicate the error?
19:42 jcamins    At least, I think it is.
19:42 jcamins    I noticed that but didn't have time to respond.
19:42 jcamins    owen: it's a missing syspref.
19:41 sekjal     must be local to the config
19:41 sekjal     grep cannot find such a reference anywhere in koha-tmpl
19:41 chris      yeah, im wondering if its something in their config
19:40 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5424 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Intranet interface references intranet/htdocs/opac-tmpl which does not exist
19:40 * owen     cannot reproduce the errors described in Bug 5424
19:37 chris      yeah they have just loaded in the sample data, and then if you catalogue books, they are gonna end up in one of those branches
19:37 chris      yeah that explains it
19:37 wizzyrea   it must be demo data
19:36 chris      lol
19:36 wizzyrea   yea
19:36 jcamins    Is that demo data?
19:36 wizzyrea   aha
19:35 Brooke     hi richard
19:35 owen       the emailer is confusing "Holdings" with "Holds"
19:35 wizzyrea   yea, it's a TIFF
19:35 richard    hi
19:35 owen       I think that might be a Nabble attachement. You can see it here: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-sharing-online-by-default-td3275535.html#a3275860
19:35 jcamins    But all it says is "Attachment."
19:35 wizzyrea   there's a TIFF
19:35 wizzyrea   oh wait
19:35 jcamins    Hm, there's something that says there's an attachment.
19:34 wizzyrea   I don't see an attachment
19:34 Brooke     wb sekjal
19:33 owen       Did the attachment come through for anyone? Not for me.
19:33 jcamins    That's beyond weird.
19:33 jcamins    Demo data?
19:33 * Brooke   feels the love.
19:32 chris      hi Brooke
19:32 * trea     waves
19:32 Brooke     :)
19:32 * druthb   waves to Brooke.
19:19 chris      thanks
19:19 wizzyrea   msg sent
19:18 chris      who are these other libraries?
19:18 chris      dunno
19:18 wizzyrea   did they maybe leave their staff side with no auth, and the libraries made themselves accounts?
19:18 chris      someone want to take a crack and say, wow, never ever heard of that happening before, can you send a screen shot please
19:17 wizzyrea   whoa
19:17 chris      thats bizzare
19:17 chris      what?
19:17 schuster   drat didn't want to do that...
19:17 schuster   wheels
19:17 * wizzyrea sighs
19:17 druthb     languagez.
19:17 owen       Weird question on the Koha list... "books on hold by other libraries" ?
19:16 wizzyrea   languages avoids that whole s vs z thing
19:16 wizzyrea   Globalisation is another perhaps
19:16 gmcharlt   wizzyrea: and "Languages" works for me too
19:16 trea       nice
19:16 wizzyrea   oooo
19:16 gmcharlt   BBC concert orchestra
19:15 gmcharlt   good
19:15 chris      and how was the concert?
19:15 wizzyrea   I was thinking "Languages"
19:15 chris      yeah, probably close enough for our purposes
19:15 gmcharlt   not quite an exact fit, conceptually, but maybe close enough?
19:15 gmcharlt   "Translation"?
19:14 chris      its just 2 big words to fit in that tab
19:14 * wizzyrea tries to avoid making things look retarded. When possible.
19:14 wizzyrea   woot
19:14 chris      if you and owen can use the full words and not make it look retarded, go for it :)
19:14 wizzyrea   Aha. That's pretty close to what I suspected.
19:13 chris      not so much out of it
19:13 chris      its common in comp sci
19:11 wizzyrea   *hic*
19:11 * owen     was about to remind wizzyrea to come back from lunch before her 3rd martini
19:09 wizzy_l    chris: we were talking earlier about I13n/L10n syspref tag, I was wondering if that was extremely common usage that I just hadn't heard of, or if we should make the tag more clear
19:08 chris      back
19:07 cait       open!
19:02 chris      Right my stop bbiab
19:01 cait       yummy
19:01 cait       got it :)
19:00 chris      I like the milk the best, so try to get that out :)
18:59 druthb     somewhat, yes.
18:59 chris      Messy
18:59 druthb     I cleaned the saw out first, and washed and sanitized a new band blade...but the blade hauled a lot of stuff out of there, and flung it around inside the saw.
18:59 chris      Or an old screwdriver you don't care about wrecking
18:58 chris      Yeah you want a big nail
18:58 cait       hehe
18:58 chris      Hehe
18:58 * druthb   spent the two hours afterwards cleaning coconut milk and meat out of the works of the bandsaw...
18:58 cait       the nail holes are too small
18:58 cait       my landlord probably already things I am gone crazy
18:58 chris      Heh that'd work too
18:56 * druthb   used a big bandsaw on a coconut once.
18:53 chris      Making_my_life_easier++
18:53 chris      Good commit message, bug number, good inline docs and a unit test!
18:52 chris      Kmkale is on the way to winning best patch of the month
18:52 chris      That's messy tho :)
18:52 chris      You can just throw it hard against concrete
18:48 cait       chris++
18:48 cait       and I even own a hammer and nails :)
18:48 cait       good idea to get the milk out
18:48 chris      Give even
18:48 cait       will try it
18:47 chris      Then put it on some concrete and gave it a good whack
18:47 chris      Drain the milk
18:47 * cait     makes notes
18:47 chris      Make some holes
18:47 chris      Get a clean nail
18:47 chris      What I do
18:47 chris      Hammer
18:46 cait       I have no idea how to open it :)
18:46 cait       why did I buy a coconut?
18:44 chris      :)
18:40 schuster   Wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round...  couldn't resist its been that kind of day.
18:40 cait       hi chris
18:37 * chris    waves from the bus
18:32 LBA        okay, thanks.  Good for now!
18:32 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
18:32 owen       Bug 4945
18:32 cait       can't find the right bug number :(
18:30 cait       perhaps with jquery
18:29 LBA        thanks, cait.  So, no way to change this at this behavior at this time?
18:28 cait       I have not checkeed if there is a patch yet
18:28 jcamins    I thought you meant "a patron's search."
18:28 jcamins    LBA: oh, sorry.
18:28 cait       LBA: that's a bug
18:27 LBA        SearchMyLibraryFirst is for searching material not patrons, it seems.  I want to look up Patrons systemwide by default instead of having to dropdown and choose All.
18:26 gmcharlt   and IndependantBranches
18:26 LBA        thanks!
18:25 jcamins    LBA: SearchMyLibraryFirst
18:25 LBA        can anyone tell me what setting controls whether a patron search looks through all branches or just the local branch?
18:25 jcamins    Also, in this library... "standard" == "scary"
18:24 * jcamins  winces
18:24 gmcharlt   ... ok, that was a very weak pun indeed
18:23 gmcharlt   jcamins: if they're standard catalogs, why do they need to be recatalogued?
18:18 jwagner    OpacPasswordChange has been around for quite a while -- well over a year at least
18:00 wizzy_l    I may, but I've never seen it before I guess
17:59 owen       wizzy_l: You didn't have OpacPasswordChange?
17:58 cait       sekjal: you should add that to my favourite bug
17:58 jcamins    Speaking of food, lunch time!
17:57 sekjal     brownie-cookie-fudge ice cream?
17:57 wizzyrea   made of win.
17:57 wizzyrea   ohh, that's neat, OpacPasswordChange
17:56 jcamins    Or brownies.
17:56 cait       it's only the real #koha if someone mentions cookies, fudge or ice cream
17:55 * druthb   perks up.  Cookies?
17:55 cait       cookies?
17:54 * jcamins  is recataloging a half century worth of Standard Catalogs. Very busy.
17:53 owen       The least we could do is look busy
17:53 jcamins    A little gossip, a little chat, a little idle talk of this and that?
17:53 cait       you can go first :)
17:53 owen       Perhaps a little dance, a quick song?
17:52 * cait     is a bad actor :)
17:52 cait       are we supposed to do something?
17:52 cait       oh
17:52 jcamins    cait: LBA is training sixteen rural librarians.
17:51 cait       hm?
17:50 LBA        cool.  sharing your hellos with the group!
17:39 trea       o/
17:39 druthb     welcome back, cait. :)
17:39 cait       hi #koha :)
17:37 wizzyrea   hehe
17:37 schuster   I was shouting...
17:37 schuster   sorry Koha!
17:37 schuster   GO KOHA!  It's great once you get used to how it works!
17:35 jcamins    Hello, librarians.
17:34 * druthb   waves to the librarians.
17:34 * trea     waves
17:34 owen       Hi librarians!
17:34 wizzyrea   Good morning, librarians!
17:34 LBA        Good Morning, Koha.  16 rural librarians getting a Koha lesson right now!
17:31 wizzyrea   seems like it would be handy for cleaning up bib data
17:29 wizzyrea   at least to google.
17:29 wizzyrea   I saw a post about it, but didn't have a chance to play with it. it's spanky new.
17:28 schuster   anybody seen this google refine?  nifty data manipulation tool http://goo.gl/Q2RWw
17:26 wizzyrea   whew.
17:26 * druthb   velcroes wizzyrea to her seat.
17:08 wizzyrea   ooh, I was naughty.
17:07 * wizzyrea waves
17:06 * druthb   waves cheerfully to wizzyrea.
17:06 jwagner    I'm grumpy today so I'm determined to spread the lack of cheer :-)
17:04 wizzyrea   wowie
17:02 * jwagner  takes that as a challenge!
17:02 * druthb   will have to work harder than she has to make me miserable.  She failed in her first attempt.
17:01 kf         time to go home for me too - see you later :)
17:00 kf         oh, he is gone
17:00 kf         magnus: it's not pizza friday today?
17:00 * magnus   wanders off to make pizza
16:56 * jwagner  believes I am fully capable of making druthb's life miserable, even today :-)
16:55 * druthb   would have to get a nuclear peashooter or something; two thin walls between her office and jwagner's.
16:52 schuster   Wishes he had sent them skittles to toss back and forth over the cubicle.
16:48 magnus     yay!
16:47 druthb     jwagner, you're going to have to work really hard to make my life miserable today.  Not a bad day at all, for a Monday.
16:42 jwagner    heh heh heh
16:41 * druthb   narrows her eyes, watching jwagner intently.
16:40 * jwagner  notes druthb's arrival and prepares for the "make your life miserable" session :-)
16:34 druthb     Absolutely!
16:33 kf         fair, right? :)
16:33 druthb     okay. :)
16:33 kf         druthb: and I will share mine with you :)
16:33 kf         yay :)
16:32 * druthb   will share with kf!
16:31 * jcamins  gives kf the poor neglected msemmen
16:31 druthb     mmmmm...
16:31 * jcamins  thought that kf had taken hers already
16:31 * kf       looks at jcamins with big eyes
16:30 * jcamins  gives druthb the promised msemmen with nutella
16:29 jcamins    magnus: ah, right.
16:29 druthb     hi, magnus! :)
16:29 magnus     hiya druthb
16:29 magnus     nah, it's a "search the irc log" issue ;-)
16:29 jcamins    Is this one of those "Google provides different results at different computers" issues?
16:28 jcamins    magnus: yeah, that's the one.
16:28 magnus     could it be http://www.grouprecipes.com/54830/msemmen-moroccan-flaky-bread.html ?
16:28 jcamins    It has much better instructions for folding the msemmen.
16:27 jcamins    I like that one better though, I think.
16:25 jcamins    I used a different recipe, but I don't remember which one.
16:25 jcamins    http://moroccanfood.about.com/od/pancakes/r/Msemen_recipe.htm
16:24 * kf       woke up
16:24 kf         msemmen?
16:22 wizzyrea   >.<
16:22 owen       Next we'll do the Junior Jumble
16:22 jcamins    Ah, thanks.
16:21 owen       u+sag+e
16:21 jcamins    What's u3e?
16:21 jcamins    wizzyrea: I've heard it a lot, although I didn't realize that L10n had to be capitalized.
16:21 wizzyrea   hehe owen
16:20 owen       It's v2y c4n u3e
16:20 magnus     i've seen it around, but not that much
16:20 wizzyrea   is that really common usage and I live under a rock?
16:19 wizzyrea   and L10n respectively, due to the length of the words. The capital L in L10n helps to distinguish it from the lowercase i in i18n.
16:19 jcamins    Pre-globalized for the non-USians. :)
16:19 wizzyrea   The terms are frequently abbreviated to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym i18n (where 18 stands for the number of letters between the first i and last n in internationalization
16:19 wizzyrea   Globalisation
16:18 magnus     and it's short enough to fit on the "tab"
16:18 wizzyrea   it's still geek-speak.
16:17 wizzyrea   hrmph.
16:17 wizzyrea   because you can set it up to be localised, multilingualised, OR internationalised.
16:17 wizzyrea   < still reading the wikipedia article
16:17 wizzyrea   aha, I see why they did it this way
16:16 wizzyrea   tewtally 1337
16:16 magnus     because "I18N/L10N" sounds much more 1337?
16:16 wizzyrea   Localisation would also be a good one
16:15 wizzyrea   I mean, this makes sense now that I've read the wikipedia article. But I don't like that it's so obtuse.
16:14 sekjal     sounds good to me.... would be an easy patch to write up
16:13 wizzyrea   or something
16:13 wizzyrea   so, the l18n/l10N prefs are all to do with language: why don't we call it "Language" or "Internationalization"
16:12 sekjal     maybe there is a way to abstract the rules up one more level.... so any item or patron fields can be factored into the rule-making
16:12 wizzyrea   we might be able to simplify though (maybe)
16:11 wizzyrea   :( and believe me when I say: we've got ugly.
16:11 sekjal     which is all kinds of uglier
16:11 sekjal     making it a four field combination to unlock the rules
16:11 sekjal     for multi-library installs, it may become necessary to split the 'branchcode' factor of the issuing rules into 'item branch' and 'patron branch'
16:10 wizzyrea   because I sense that our current rules won't translate the way we intend them to
16:09 wizzyrea   sekjal: aha. I think I am going to have to get very snuggly with the rules
16:09 sekjal     changing it will change the issuing rule that is returned, if the patron doing the reserving isn't doing it at the items home library
16:07 wizzyrea   these rules may translate better in koha proper.
16:07 wizzyrea   i'm trying to imagine what ramifications that has on a setup like ours, where we have lots of local hold/no hold rules
16:06 sekjal     wizzyrea: that syspref is called once, in C4::Reserves, in the CanItemBeReserved() subroutine
16:05 trea       sekjal++
16:05 magnus     sekjal: i was thinking the same thing...
16:05 wizzyrea   truf
16:04 trea       brilliant
16:04 sekjal     I think recipes would go well into a Koha Kete install
16:04 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
16:04 jcamins    Bug 5158 hasn't been resolved yet.
16:04 trea       indeed, we have quite a few recipes we could contribute
16:04 magnus     hehe "koha food"? cool!
16:04 magnus     ooh, thanks
16:04 wizzyrea   might as well make a wiki category for food.
16:03 wizzyrea   magnus++
16:03 jcamins    magnus++ # for open sourcing his perfect pizza recipe
16:03 magnus     jcamins: nah, but it's just in my head... i'll write it down for you
16:03 wizzyrea   I think I get what it does, but I'm a little confused.
16:02 wizzyrea   is anybody familiar with the "ReservesControlBranch" syspref?
16:01 jcamins    Is the recipe a family secret?
16:01 magnus     :-)
16:00 jcamins    Every week? Wow! Those must be pretty perfect pizzas!
15:59 * magnus   has made two small pizzas every week for the last 10 years and thinks they are pretty perfected by now (at least according to his own tastes)... ;-)
15:58 * jcamins  still hasn't perfected his pizza
15:58 jcamins    magnus: what recipe do you use?
15:57 * sekjal   is planning a Thanksgiving pizza for this Thursday
15:57 * magnus   is going to make pizza soon..
15:56 jcamins    I've been told the gale noise is because "I got steeeeam heat."
15:56 * owen     can't keep nutella in the house for fear of overdosing
15:56 trea       yea, once i heard nutella was involved
15:55 owen       Oh man are we talking about food already?
15:54 jcamins    trea: I still have not mastered the art of the msemmen, but one day--
15:54 * jwagner  has every intention of making druthb's life miserable as soon as she shows up :-)
15:53 jwagner    probably hiding from me :-(
15:53 jcamins    jwagner: oh, she's not hiding from kf?
15:53 jwagner    druthb had an appointment and will be late today.  I'm sure she'd welcome some goodies then.
15:53 trea       that does sound amazing
15:53 jcamins    trea: yep.
15:51 trea       Ahouifi M'semmen?
15:51 trea       is that like a moroccan griddle cake?
15:50 magnus     i don't know much about msemmen, but i'll definitely try some
15:50 * jcamins  offers some to magnus, since it seems that kf, chris_n, and druthb would rather hide than have msemmen with nutella.
15:49 magnus     mm, that sounds delicious...
15:48 * jcamins  tries to coax kf, chris_n, and druthb out with some msemmen with nutella.
15:47 jcamins    Take your time.
15:46 kf         I will try to work on it later - still at work and draft is on laptop at home
15:46 kf         it's still a draft :(
15:46 kf         yep
15:44 jcamins    (kf hides under the desk?)
15:44 jcamins    And looking forward to reading your analytics RFC. :)
15:44 jcamins    kf: I'm here, though.
15:39 kf         hm, and druthb is hiding too
15:39 kf         he is hiding from me
15:24 kf         chris_n: around?
15:23 magnus     yeah, they should keep you warm for a while!
15:22 jcamins    magnus: fortunate I'm in a library with lots of books, isn't it?
15:22 magnus     s/fire/a fire/
15:22 magnus     jcamins: oh no! find something combustible and make fire, quick!
15:21 jcamins    The air conditioning is at gale force.
15:19 jcamins    I think I may freeze to death on this unseasonably warm November day.
15:13 trea       it is
15:13 jcamins    I thought it would be appreciated.
15:12 wizzyrea   …totally classic.
15:12 trea       "have you ever been shanked with a pair of safety scissors?"
15:12 wizzyrea   hate hate, hate hate hate
15:12 magnus     hee hee
15:11 wizzyrea   jcamins: lol, wow.
15:11 jcamins    trea: library school. :D
15:10 trea       lols
15:10 trea       uh, what?
15:10 wizzyrea   classic.
15:10 wizzyrea   You will live on gin and valium, and when you run out of them, you will run on spite.
15:09 wizzyrea   oo, xtranormal just timed out
15:06 wizzyrea   nice
15:06 wizzyrea   :D
15:06 jcamins    wizzyrea: I remember. That's why I thought of you when I was watching.
15:06 wizzyrea   jcamins: at our tech day in early august I demo'd xtranormal for our librarians
15:06 jcamins    Part 1: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7469129/ and part 2: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7752769/
15:04 jcamins    I'll take that as a no.
15:04 wizzyrea   send me
15:04 magnus     huh?
15:04 jcamins    By the way, I trust everyone has seen the extranormal library school videos?
15:03 Nate       thanks trea
15:02 Katipo     indeed grats nate
15:02 Nate       Thanks kf!
15:01 jcamins    Good morning.
15:01 kf         grats Nate :)
15:01 kf         hi wizzyrea
15:00 wizzyrea   and good morning
15:00 wizzyrea   ah yea, waiting is the hardest part
14:54 jcamins    Well, it felt like a long time to us. ;)
14:53 wizzyrea   even so lol
14:53 jcamins    wizzyrea: they're digital photos. All she had to do was burn them onto a CD.
14:53 wizzyrea   aw, your anniversary is the day after my birthday!
14:53 Nate       Congrats on the wedding! :)]
14:52 jcamins    August 27.
14:52 wizzyrea   that's fast for most wedding photogs :P
14:52 Nate       how long ago did you get married?
14:52 wizzyrea   but you've only been married what, 2 months?
14:52 jcamins    Nate: I learned a valuable lesson about photographers- if you hire one, make sure you keep on them to actually *send* the photos. Otherwise, it can drag out. A lot.
14:52 Nate       thanks wizzyrea!
14:52 wizzyrea   grats killa ;)
14:51 Nate       thanks hdl!
14:51 hdl        congrats Nate
14:51 sekjal     hi, hdl!
14:51 hdl        hi sekjal
14:50 jcamins    Incidentally, speaking of photos, we finally got our wedding photos. Very exciting.
14:49 sekjal     Nate:  yeah, firing up the logs now...
14:49 Nate       caught the end of that one Sekjal..
14:49 jcamins    Fortunately for you, stuff.co.nz is an excellent news source, so it would be all over the world in the blink of an eye. :)
14:48 * sekjal   blinks
14:47 Nate       I can see the NZ headlines now..."American couple gets arrested for contaminating a wine cask while skinny dipping in it"
14:47 jcamins    Probably wise.
14:46 Nate       I also had to make sure i did it before to much of the wine tasting had taken place :)
14:46 sekjal     morning, jcamins & magnus!
14:46 magnus     hiya sekjal
14:46 magnus     :-)
14:46 jcamins    Good morning, sekjal.
14:46 jcamins    :)
14:45 Nate       but i guess thats a good thing :)
14:45 Nate       she just jumped all over me like i was a jungle gym, and I had to shove it in her face and be like "look what i got you!!"
14:44 Nate       and when I proposed she didnt even look at the ring!!!
14:44 Nate       I hear that
14:44 jcamins    Nate: I found shopping for the ring with my wife pretty stressful!
14:42 magnus     marlborough looks nice, judging by the first pics to show up on teh googlz
14:42 magnus     :-)
14:41 Nate       yeah you two got off easy, carrying that ring around was pretty stressful!
14:41 Nate       s
14:41 Nate       while we were biking through the vineyard
14:40 Nate       I did it in Marlborough wine country
14:40 Nate       but when i get the pic ill be sure to share!
14:40 Nate       yeah she took the camera to work
14:39 * magnus   was proposed to by his wife... ;-)
14:39 magnus     and where did it happen?
14:38 jcamins    Nate: that was clever. I proposed to my wife by turning to her and saying "hey, let's get engaged now," so we don't have any pictures to remember it by.
14:38 Nate       let me see if i can fish it out though, if she didnt take the camera with her to work
14:38 magnus     tell me about it... ;-)
14:38 Nate       i dont have the pic from the camera yet because there are so many and we have not gone through them yet
14:38 ebegin     Ah!  So you can share the picture ;)
14:37 Nate       yeah, but we staged another shot
14:37 magnus     stupid camera!
14:37 magnus     oh no!
14:37 ebegin     Doh!
14:37 ebegin     Nate: Share the picture...
14:37 Nate       unfortunately the camera didnt take the picture
14:37 magnus     hehe
14:37 Nate       and when she ran over for the pic i dropped to a knee and took out the ring
14:37 jcamins    Congratulations!
14:36 magnus     ooh, congratulations!
14:36 Nate       I took an opportunity when she set up the camera to take a picture of us on the auto timer
14:36 Nate       It went great! I am an engaged man
14:34 magnus     how'd it go?
14:34 Nate       :)
14:34 magnus     hi Nate
14:33 Nate       thank you sir!
14:33 jcamins    Welcome back, Nate.
14:33 Nate       and MAGNUS!
14:33 Nate       Hiya jcamins
14:32 magnus     kia ora, jcamins
14:32 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
14:27 kmkale     :(
14:27 munin      kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 27.0�C (7:10 PM IST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
14:27 kmkale     @weather Mumbai
14:20 ebegin     I think that the fact that we had a nice summer is harder to get near the 0°C
14:19 kf         getting colder, but still not really cold
14:18 munin      kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (3:00 PM CET on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
14:18 kf         @wunder Konstanz
14:18 ebegin     :)
14:16 magnus     a bit of rain here too, but after 2 weeks of -3, +2 seems mild... ;-)
14:15 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (2:50 PM CET on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
14:15 magnus     @wunder bodo, norway
14:14 munin      ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 4.0�C (9:00 AM EST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
14:14 ebegin     @wunder montreal, canada
14:14 munin      ebegin: Error: "wonder" is not a valid command.
14:14 ebegin     @wonder montreal, canada
14:14 ebegin     It's a cold rainy day today overhere :(
14:13 magnus     g'day ebegin
14:04 ebegin     good morning
14:02 kf         it's monday...
14:02 munin      kf: *click*
14:02 kf         @roulette
13:46 magnus     wow, munin is in a bit of a mood today?
13:39 * munin    reloads and spins the chambers.
13:39 kmkale     @roulette
13:36 magnus     hiya schuster
12:22 kmkale     :)
12:18 munin      kf: The operation succeeded.
12:18 kf         @later tell chris_n restested patron import, looks good, comment see bug :)
12:18 kf         kmkale: good idea :)
12:15 munin      kmkale: The operation succeeded.
12:15 kmkale     @later tell chris I got the test thing sorted out. Thanks
12:13 kf         chris_n: around?
12:07 kf         j
11:56 kf         hi magnus :)
11:15 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (11:50 AM CET on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
11:15 magnus     @weather bodo, norway
11:14 munin      kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (4:10 PM IST on November 22, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
11:14 kmkale     @weather Mumbai
11:13 munin      kmkale: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
11:13 kmkale     @weather
09:46 kmkale     good night
09:46 kmkale     thanks chris.
09:46 hdl        sleep well
09:45 * chris    has to go to sleep soon, but i can look again tomorrow
09:45 chris      hmm the warns seem to work for me
09:43 kmkale     the test is just throwing back my input as the output and ofcourse fails. any suggestions for debugging?
09:38 kmkale     not getting any warn line in the terminal even after exporting KOHA_DEBUG=1 :(
09:35 chris      (which they should all have there should not be any unqualified warns)
09:35 chris      the ones that have $debug && warn etc
09:34 chris      stderr
09:34 kmkale     s/the the warn lines will print tp stdout?/Will then the warn lines in C4/Circulation.pm print to stdout?/
09:30 kmkale     the the warn lines will print tp stdout?
09:30 chris      then run your test
09:30 chris      export KOHA_DEBUG=1
09:30 chris      eg
09:29 chris      yeah you could set the debug variable
09:26 kmkale     chris is there any of getting debug output from C4/Circulation.pm while I am running the test?
08:48 kmkale     cool. let me try it out.
08:47 chris      thats fine
08:47 chris      ah yes
08:47 kmkale     I meant for all tests under Circulation_barcodedecode.t
08:46 chris      kmkale: no it will only be in effect for that test
08:42 ivanc      hi #koha
08:42 kmkale     but this will be in effect for all the tests right? is that alright?
08:41 kmkale     cool
08:41 chris      does that make sense?
08:41 chris      that will set the userenv, so that when mybranch is called it retrieves that
08:40 chris      except the branch
08:40 chris      where all the rest can be undef
08:40 chris      kmkale: C4::Context->set_userenv($usernum, $userid, $usercnum, $userfirstname,                                                                $usersurname, $userbranch, $userflags, $emailaddress);
08:39 kmkale     chris "in your test you can do" ??
08:38 chris      hi fredericd
08:37 kmkale     morning fredericd
08:36 fredericd  good morning
08:35 chris      you can do
08:35 chris      in your test
08:35 chris      right
08:35 kmkale     but while running tests its undef so the test fails
08:35 chris      yes
08:35 kmkale     the filter I have written depends on having  my $branch = C4::Branch::mybranch();
08:35 chris      ill look now
08:34 kmkale     chris: a problem
08:33 chris      i hadnt noticed
08:25 kmkale     has anyone noticed that in Firefox on Ubuntu 10.4 or 10.10, in the circulation module, the submit button of the search header comes on next line after the search box?
08:18 kf         good morning france
07:55 kmkale     lunchtime bbl
07:55 chris      :)
07:55 chris      to not have to do any work anymore
07:55 chris      its all part of my cunning plan
07:55 kmkale     yes i learned about test today :)
07:55 kf         and thanks again for the help with my little project yesterday - I learn something new every time :)
07:54 chris      git++
07:54 chris      git tag is cool :)
07:54 kf         chris++ for being chris
07:52 thd        hello kf
07:52 kmkale     just a side note I found git tag. that made life easier
07:52 kf         hi thd
07:51 kmkale     yes chris. Thanks.
07:51 * chris    hopes that makes some sense :)
07:50 chris      if someone had signed off, we would then do a follow up patch
07:50 chris      making a new patch is fine
07:50 chris      because no one has signed off yet
07:50 chris      the whole patch including the test (for a small change like this) is perfect
07:49 kmkale     ok. Also chris, once we are revising the same patch like this, is it the right practice to produce the whole patch as I am doing or create a patch to the earlier patch?
07:47 chris      (you might have to change the number of tests at the top .. it will tell you if you need to)
07:44 chris      (prove will run all of them)
07:44 chris      will run it
07:44 kmkale     great. :)
07:44 chris      perl t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t
07:44 chris      yup
07:44 kmkale     also does it become part of the patch once it runs ok?
07:43 chris      wade in
07:43 kmkale     chris t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t *seems* simple enough. Any catch? or should I wade in?
07:41 kf         :)
07:40 kmkale     As usual chris you are a great help :)
07:38 chris      :)
07:38 chris      well in your case, you only need to edit that one file, so its a good intro
07:37 kmkale     ok. thats a territory I haven't explored yet. Will study.
07:37 chris      http://hudson.koha-community.org/
07:37 chris      so if someone breaks its in future, we catch it
07:36 chris      because our integration bot runs them continuously
07:36 chris      and doing unit tests for any new function is the ideal
07:36 chris      its a unit test
07:36 chris      yes
07:36 chris      and also hudson, will run that test every time the code changes
07:36 kmkale     perl prove?
07:35 chris      get run
07:35 chris      and all the tests in the t/ dir
07:35 chris      i can run prove
07:35 kmkale     ok. then how does it help someone to test it? I mean how to use the Circulation_barcodedecode.t file?
07:35 chris      and then not only will you prove it works now
07:34 chris      you just need to add one to each
07:34 chris      see how it has inputs and outputs
07:34 chris      :)
07:34 kmkale     scared now ;)
07:34 chris      you could add a test for yours
07:34 kmkale     oohh.
07:33 chris      whitespace, etc
07:33 chris      for testing t-prefix
07:33 chris      see the tests there
07:33 kmkale     looking
07:33 chris      at that file
07:33 chris      Circulation_barcodedecode.t
07:33 kmkale     so that it gets converted, AND will have to create matching branch code and item type code.
07:33 chris      have a look in the t/ dir
07:33 chris      heres how you do it the proper way :)
07:32 kmkale     but anyone testing will have to input barcodes by hand in the libsuite8 format e.g. b0002345
07:29 kmkale     cool.
07:29 chris      there you go :) attach it to the bug
07:29 kmkale     Although I would be happy to supply a MARC file
07:29 chris      that people can use to test
07:29 chris      you might have to attach some sample records to the bug
07:29 kmkale     hi kf
07:28 kmkale     Who should I request to test it and sign off. I dont think anyone on list has Libsuite8 data :(
07:28 chris      hi kf
07:28 kf         hi chris and kmkale
07:26 kmkale     yes. Mike's comments helped.
07:25 chris      i see a new patch :) hopefully you will get some more good comments :)
07:24 kmkale     hi chris
07:19 chris      hi kmkale
07:19 kmkale     hi all
07:16 chris      id appreciate if you didnt misquote me like that
07:15 chris      you have misread my message
07:15 chris      i was replying to lori not david
07:12 chris      thd-away: are you about?
06:20 kf         hi #koha
05:32 kmkale     Hi Amit congrats!!
05:07 cait       congratulation on your book :)
05:07 cait       hi Amit
05:07 Amit       heya cait
05:01 cait       good morning #koha
04:56 ronald__   is there some place where i can find step by step procdure on installing koha 3.2 on ubuntu server 9.04?
03:31 prawesh    so do u know how i can change the default framework??
03:30 prawesh    hi amit
03:22 Amit       heya prawesh
03:19 prawesh    guys, do anyone know how to change the default framework??
03:19 Amit       heya chris
02:17 munin      brendan_l: The current temperature in westside ukiah, Ukiah, California is 5.3�C (6:17 PM PST on November 21, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 3 am PST Monday above 2000 feet...
02:17 brendan_l  @wunder ukiah, ca
01:41 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 10.3�C (8:41 PM EST on November 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
01:41 chris_n    @wunder 28334
01:09 Nate       time to turn in talk to you soon!
01:08 chris      excellent :)
01:08 Nate       but the travel was totally worth it!
01:07 chris      yeah i always find it harder going that way
01:07 Nate       extremely
01:07 chris      :) jet lagged?
01:06 Nate       back on the job :)
01:06 Nate       got back yesterday
01:06 Nate       yessir
01:06 chris      back on US time yet?
01:05 Nate       hey chris!
01:05 chris      heya Nate
00:03 * Brooke   waves at ronald