Time  Nick       Message
23:29 cait       t
23:25 brendan    wow cold out
23:25 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.9�C (3:23 PM PST on November 19, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 9 am PST Saturday...
23:25 brendan    @wunder 93117
22:55 cait       weeekend!
22:55 wizzyrea   hi cait :D
22:53 cait       hi liz :)
22:49 wizzyrea   friday, bad day to try to get tech support
22:45 mib_f67cq  hello
22:11 cait       hi #koha
21:46 jcamins    Have a good weekend, #koha
21:20 Brooke     right well, all documentation and no fun makes me even duller than I already am
21:13 Brooke     mmmm mead.
21:13 wizzyrea   yum
21:12 wizzyrea   oooo
21:12 * chris_n  heads out to steal honey from the bees
20:58 jcamins    ... and that's my new philosophy!
20:58 * Brooke   takes it as a compliment.
20:58 nengard    Sorry got distracted .. you're all silly btw :)
20:57 Brooke     <--- prop mistress and back stage ratbag for many productions
20:56 * jcamins  only knows the show because several of his friends were in a community theatre version.
20:56 Brooke     *duck*
20:56 Brooke     doesn't count.
20:56 Brooke     pfft
20:55 jcamins    You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. :)
20:55 Brooke     there are some productions where I could if pressed sing the playbook.
20:55 Brooke     don't know that one.
20:55 jcamins    ... and Brooke is not a musical theatre fan. :)
20:55 jcamins    Some take a lifetime.
20:54 Brooke     pfft, we talkin' about the same philosophy, boy? ;
20:54 jcamins    Some philosophies, are clear.
20:54 Brooke     te nosce.
20:53 jcamins    Some philosophies, are simple.
20:52 jcamins    wizzyrea: a good philosophy.
20:50 wizzyrea   aha, a philosophy I can get behind: http://lifehacker.com/5693759/create-better-things-by-abandoning-crap-and-focusing-on-the-good-stuff
20:36 Brooke     that Conference barcode read app was hawt.
20:36 Brooke     heheh
20:35 gmcharlt   and this is exactly why open source ILS projects have not been quick to embrace the mobile OPAC -- too cramped to contain the community
20:34 wizzyrea   ow, that was my rib!
20:33 * chris_n  suddenly feels awful cramped
20:32 Brooke     I fit in your phone?!
20:31 nengard    Hiya from my phone
20:28 * Brooke   salutes Nengard with respect.
20:19 jcamins    schuster: you had me scared there.
20:19 jcamins    schuster: nope, membership database.
20:18 schuster   sorry jcamins I thought you were talking about a library system migration!
20:15 * Brooke   waves at wizzyrea
20:14 Brooke     oh joy, the issuing table is even more complex than the last time I checked XD
20:13 jcamins    I strongly support open source, but some technical expertise is required if you want to maintain your own.
20:12 jcamins    We're looking at membership databases.
20:12 jcamins    schuster: oh god, you think someone will propose an open source alternative? Just shoot me now.
20:12 schuster   :)
20:11 schuster   It's open source it's free right!
20:10 jcamins    And "yes, it will cost money to have our data migrated, unless someone else in this room is going to volunteer? No? Well, there you are then."
20:09 jcamins    And I'm the unpopular one who gets to say "no, we can't just reduce our expenditures on membership to balance the budget."
20:09 * druthb   waves.
20:09 Brooke     yee haw.
20:09 jcamins    Not only is it a budget meeting, it's a budget meeting for a non-profit association.
20:08 Brooke     and that it was slightly more merciful to have me speak at 10.
20:08 Brooke     it took the selectmen 3 years to figger out I didn't live in town
20:08 Brooke     mah budget meeting used to be at 7 am ish in Hinsdale.
20:08 Brooke     my condolences.
20:07 Brooke     eeeewww budget meeting
20:07 * jcamins  gurgles wordlessly. It seems he is conserving the remainder of his quota of words for the week until dinner tonight, when he will be preparing for the budget meeting in two weeks.
20:04 * jwagner  is too busy napping after a very large and tasty holiday lunch
20:04 * druthb   waves and points, and babbles incoherently.  It appears she has used up her quota of words for the week.
19:57 Brooke     don't all talk at once.
18:40 schuster   wizzyrea - sorry I should have mentioned that my opinion was based on my current administration view.
18:40 gmcharlt   chris_n: none
18:39 chris      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4365223/Rescue-for-trapped-West-Coast-miners-could-take-days
18:39 chris      yeah, still 27 missing :(
18:39 chris_n    sorry to hear about the coal mine accident there
18:38 chris_n    heya chris
18:38 chsanch    chris: Ok, thanks, we'll try that
18:37 chris      chsanch: if my theory is right, you might want to ask the library you are getting the records from what there z3950 server is set up to send
18:36 * chris_n  hears his name in the same sentence as guru and quickly hides :-)
18:36 chsanch    chris: Ok, any recommendation?
18:35 chris      seneca: chris_n is probably the guru on that
18:35 seneca     Hey all - anyone in here familiar with 3.2's label creation process?
18:35 chris      the server is sending utf8, the record is marc8 (or vice versa)
18:34 chris      right, so i think there is a mismatch
18:33 chsanch    hmm, it seems to work, but, we have not encoded characters: Valeri M�aximo
18:31 chsanch    let me see
18:30 chris      sometimes that works
18:29 chris      whatever it is, try changing it to the other, then try that record again
18:29 chsanch    chris: marc8
18:29 chris      chsanch: do you have the z3950 server set to marc8 or utf8?
18:29 chsanch    Consell Català de l'Esport
18:28 chsanch    this record is in Catalán
18:28 chsanch    we have a problem with our koha, we have koha installed on Debian Lenny, when we try to save a marc record from a z395.50 server we get this error: Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96.
18:26 chsanch    Hi
18:02 wizzyrea   in fact, imo we've been neglecting some of the flashier things to make the staff side better lately.
18:00 wizzyrea   because I don't think that's true at all.
18:00 wizzyrea   schuster: are you trying to say that we only do flashy things for the public?
17:54 chris_n    hdl, gmcharlt: any objections to my backing 4141 down to critical as it is not really blocking any release
17:54 schuster   So if I edit an authority record does it actually update the associated bib records?
17:47 schuster   I'm really glad we have an "authority file" that was one of my key reasons for selecting Koha...  Now if we can work to easily update/add to it...  Back end stuff though isn't as flashy as rating systems for the public.
17:45 sekjal     separate zebra databases
17:44 sekjal     schuster: only biblios are searched in a keyword search
17:42 schuster   I'm sure someone knows actually - I just don't.
17:41 schuster   Anyone know if authority records are searched in a keyword or only biblio?
17:30 chris_n    k, a status update might still be in order
17:29 gmcharlt   chris_n: it should stay open, I'm sure there may be some discrepency left to resolve
17:27 hdl        maybe gmcharlt can comment on that.
17:26 hdl        well... Would be better if We had a clean upgrade path between 3.0.x and 3.2
17:21 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4141 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, reconcile 3.0.x and HEAD database updates for 3.2.0
17:21 chris_n    hdl, gmcharlt: can we mark bug 4141 fixed and close it?
17:19 cait       less than 30 minutes from 100%
17:19 cait       the battery of this laptop is a joke :(
17:17 jwagner    :-(
17:13 jcamins    jwagner: sorry, Shari already left for DC yesterday. :P
17:12 cait       ;)
17:12 cait       perfect weekend program
17:11 jwagner    And ship them to all of us???
17:10 cait       hm... you could bake more cookies?
17:10 cait       oh
17:03 jcamins    Actually, this weekend I don't have any jobs out of the house. So of course this is the weekend that my wife is in DC on a research trip. :(
17:02 jcamins    Lucky you!
17:02 cait       weekend! :)
17:02 cait       hi jcamins
17:02 jcamins    Hi cait
17:01 cait       hi #koha
16:37 slef       But if people will discuss things there, let's link the bug to it.
16:36 slef       I think patches is the wrong place for discussion.
16:36 slef       jcamins: yes, just finished 2010-October.
16:33 jcamins    Looks like slef is running his script again. :)
16:16 bigbrovar  I have got to head out now thanks for the help would have to look into it later
16:16 bigbrovar  jcamins: tried that same result.
16:07 jcamins    Why is ccl/cql/pqf supposed to be "DIAGNOSTIC ONLY!!"?
16:05 jcamins    Oh, never mind. I see.
16:04 jcamins    That's weird.
16:02 jcamins    The patch for bug 4852, that is.
16:02 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4852 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Facets doesn't work with direct CCL queries
16:02 jcamins    Does anyone know the status of bug 4852? Was it committed?
16:01 jcamins    Hm.
15:55 jcamins    Try this search: ccl=kw,wrdl:book AND branch:SABL
15:54 jcamins    That's very odd.
15:49 bigbrovar  jcamins: here is a screenshot example of what I am saying. I search for a term http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4144/5189328597_bfc3a176a7_m.jpg  it shows me the libraries where with books related to that term. when I click for it to refine the search by one of the libraries. I get this http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigbrovar2/5189937016/
15:43 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4852 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Facets doesn't work with direct CCL queries
15:43 jcamins    Bug 4852?
15:43 jcamins    Ah.
15:41 bigbrovar  it always returns no result when I try
15:41 bigbrovar  It just that I am unable to refine search by libraries.
15:40 bigbrovar  exactly I was about to clearify that
15:37 jcamins    Oh, wait, never mind. You're encountering a different problem.
15:36 jcamins    Try putting AND between the two terms.
15:36 jcamins    bigbrovar: I ran into this error.
15:32 sekjal     hdl: great, I'll take a look
15:31 hdl        sekjal: work has been done on that in 3.4/Biblibre-admin
15:28 sekjal     I'm trying to uncheck a bunch of values, but as soon as I come back to the page, they're checked again
15:28 sekjal     anyone have success with the Branch Transfer Limits in Koha admin?
15:24 bigbrovar  slef: you are right, but books attach to the library show up in the search. and when I click refine search by LIbrary "A" No results match your search for “kw,wrdl: book branch:Sid Ahmed Baba Library”  even though books held and owned by the particular library shows up in the initial search
15:22 slef       hilongo: 3.2.7 is not out yet. We're on 3.2.0
15:21 slef       bigbrovar: that looks like a search term, not an error.
15:13 bigbrovar  hi guys I am finding it impossible to get refined search by libraries to work when I try to refine a search by library I get this error   “kw,wrdl: book branch:Sid Ahmed Baba Library” even though books mapped to that library shows up in search. I had this issue in 3.0.6 and 3.2
15:07 * wizzyrea cheers for Friday
15:06 sekjal     good morning all, and happy Friday (for all those for whom such is applicable)!
15:06 jcamins    Good morning wizzyrea!
15:00 wizzyrea   and good morning everybody :)
15:00 * druthb   waves to wizzyrea.
14:57 wizzyrea   :)
14:57 jcamins    Cool! I had to do was *think* "wizzyrea might know something about this," and here she is. :)
14:57 wizzyrea   I've seen weird space issues, we had good luck re-creating our templates
14:54 seneca     the label and layout worked great in 3.1, but in 3.2 it prints with too much space between the text and barcode...
14:54 seneca     I'm getting a weird space issue and I don't know where to look to start investigating
14:53 jcamins    seneca: we don't use labels, sorry.
14:53 seneca     hrmmm
14:53 hilongo    not me ... but we would try that next week
14:53 seneca     Has anyone tried creating labels with 3.2 yet?
14:49 hilongo    Hola tcohen  :)
14:43 jcamins    He is currently cataloging a newish book that should already have been cataloged, but doesn't seem to have a record. That on its own is not particularly strange, but there is a record for one of the articles in the book. Very strange.
14:43 seneca     Does anyone here know anything about the label creation process in 3.2?
14:42 seneca     good morning everyone (if you're from where I am...)
14:40 * jcamins  has a bibliomystery to start the day with
14:40 druthb     hi, jcamins!  :D
14:39 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:49 * druthb   must concur with jwagner on this...lime-flavored Tootsie Rolls taste fine, but.....
13:48 hilongo    just 'something'...  :)
13:41 tcohen     hilongo: que problema estas teniendo?
13:41 jwagner    You know, there's just something ...WRONG... about orange-flavored Tootsie Rolls.
13:08 hilongo    anybody can help me with some problem updating my Koha from 3.0.6 to 3.2.7
12:43 druthb     you might chop it into multiple 653 entries, depending on what indicators you'd need.  But a comma-separated list would work, for search purposes.
12:42 slef       yes, I've used that, splitting on commas IIRC
12:42 munin      slef: Uncontrolled term  (Repeatable)
12:42 slef       @marc 653 a
12:41 druthb     kmkale:  if it's not under authority control, then that's probably where I'd put it.
12:35 kmkale     653$a?
12:35 kmkale     what is the proper marc tag for keywords defined in a single field like "Science of Psychology, Principles of Learning, Human Learning, Motivation, Perception, Personality, Psychological Testing"
12:31 * jwagner  also thanks gmcharlt for the caffeine, and goes to the kitche to retrieve it.
12:31 * jwagner  agrees that druthb is way too cheerful, but I am not a morning person....
12:24 * druthb   is way too cheerful and chirpy for her own good this morning.
12:24 * gmcharlt hands jwagner some caffeine
12:24 * jwagner  gives a feeble flap of the hand in return
12:23 * druthb   waves at jwagner
12:23 ZarkoKuva  Hi everyone
12:23 druthb     g'morning, #koha
11:17 sophie_m   oups, not the right window, sorry
11:17 sophie_m   hdl : tu pourras regarder MT4483 en rentrant ? Merci
10:55 kmkale     s/interesting/interested/
10:48 kmkale     however I fully agree with you. Its the people that make the conference not facilities :)
10:44 kmkale     and we have wonderful facilities here
10:44 kmkale     chris: I wrote there because VPM would be very interesting in hosting Kohacon in India.
09:16 chris      i stand by my comment there :)
09:15 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Koha_Conference_Bidding
09:15 chris      i do feel we are making it way more complicated than it needs to be
09:15 * chris    just edited the wiki page
09:14 chris      everything else is optional
09:14 chris      kmkale: a venue and speakers are the only important things
08:48 ivanc      hi #koha
08:27 brendan_l  night
06:30 kmkale     hi all
06:25 Amit       heya brendab_l
06:24 brendan_l  heya amit
06:12 cait       breakfast ;)
06:12 cait       have to go
06:12 * cait     hands the keys over to wizzyrea
05:11 cait       keys
05:11 * cait     is rattling with the kes
04:42 cait       that's what happens if you wake up too early...
04:41 Brooke     make sure you watch that Chris guy. He's a troublemaker.
04:40 * Brooke   hands Cait the keys.
04:40 Brooke     cait's on. It's shift change time ;)
04:26 Amit       heya chris, brendan
04:26 Amit       heya Brooke
04:26 * Brooke   waves at Amit
04:06 hudsonbot  Koha_Master: last build: 172 (7 hr 6 min ago): SUCCESS: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/172/
04:06 hudsonbot  Koha_3.2.x: last build: 45 (6 hr 50 min ago): SUCCESS: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/45/
04:06 hudsonbot  Koha_3.0.x: last build: 2 (19 days ago): FAILURE: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.0.x/2/
04:06 hudsonbot  status of all projects:
04:06 brendan_l  !hudson status
01:10 chris      cool
01:09 jcamins    Yeah, looks like 3.2.x and master both built successfully, but all builds of 3.0.x are failing.
01:06 chris      jcamins_a: does http://hudson.koha-community.org work for you?
01:00 jcamins_a  chris: so it would seem.
00:25 chris      thd is catching up on mail obviously