Time Nick Message
00:04 chris hmm 2 secs ill check that out
00:05 chris ahh i see the problem, bad merge, ill fix
00:10 chris right, pushed the fix up
00:18 chris that work better now owen?
00:22 owen Thanks chris, that looks like it worked now
00:23 chris cool
01:02 * druthb waves to Brooke
01:02 * Brooke smiles
01:04 daniel howdy y'all
01:04 daniel Brooke, just ten minutes ago I quoted you on "the trip of a lifetime"
01:04 Brooke hi dere
01:05 Brooke oh noes
01:05 Brooke not people quoting me *again*
01:05 daniel yerz
01:05 daniel quotable you
01:05 * Brooke mutters summat about only allowing Sen. Leahy such privileges...
01:06 druthb @quote add <Brooke> not people quoting me *again*
01:06 munin druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:06 Brooke yes
01:06 Brooke I am SPARED!
01:06 Brooke the bot say NUUUUUUUU
01:07 druthb @quote add <Brooke> not people quoting me *again*
01:07 munin druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #104 added.
01:07 druthb Better.
01:07 * Brooke shakes her fist at druthb
01:07 druthb hehehe.
01:08 Brooke clearly shouldn't have done that. Left deltoid is still not on a speaking basis with me.
01:09 daniel yay druthb!
01:09 druthb :)
01:10 druthb hm.
01:10 druthb @roulette
01:10 munin druthb: *click*
01:10 druthb @roulette
01:10 daniel this irc stuff is new to me
01:10 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
01:10 Brooke hehehe
01:10 druthb lol
01:10 daniel druthb++
01:11 druthb For the longest time after I changed my nick to this, munin had it in for me or something...first time, boom. over and over.
01:11 druthb @karma druthb
01:11 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 39 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 39.
01:11 Brooke munin++
01:12 daniel excuse me while i experiment
01:12 daniel @karma druthb
01:12 munin daniel: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 39 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 39.
01:12 druthb @karma
01:12 munin druthb: Highest karma: "chris" (208), "gmcharlt" (203), and "owen" (174). Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-49), and "-" (-30). You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 1079.
01:12 daniel cool
01:14 gmcharlt < and ! - such hardworking punctuation characters, but they get no respect at all
01:14 Brooke !++
01:15 * druthb startles suddenly, seeing that gmcharlt is not a statue.
01:18 * gmcharlt is sneaky that way
01:19 * daniel is experimenting with what's possible using mibbit
01:19 owen Wow, I was coming close to gmcharlt for a while, and then he zoomed away again
01:19 Brooke there's only one SLS and you are not he ;)
01:19 owen As it should be, though
01:19 chris try this daniel
01:20 chris /ctcp chris time (without the leading space)
01:20 chris it may or may not work in mibbit
01:20 daniel cool! thanks!
01:21 daniel so mibbit takes at least a few irc commands
01:21 daniel pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
01:22 Brooke pfft character limits.
01:23 daniel what's a ratbox? related to a ratbag? ;)
01:23 * Brooke laughs
02:09 Brooke ho there
02:09 wizzyrea_ hiyas
02:11 druthb hi, wizzyrea!
02:11 wizzyrea_ hey ruth :D
02:27 * druthb waves
03:32 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Brooke caught my april fools trick, its not 20004 yet! <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fa9ade9ffb48c10db40c0789fa5f5509ec63082>
03:36 Amit heya all
03:45 hudsonbot Starting build 162 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:08 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #162: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/162/
04:08 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Brooke caught my april fools trick, its not 20004 yet!
04:08 hudsonbot Starting build 163 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:12 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4074 Fix fail to parse simple qualified search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b97c4dba7a183e826ac8c1b37d0261f0327f12c2>
04:26 kmkale hi all
04:26 chris Hi kmkale
04:29 kmkale hi chris
04:30 Brooke hi km
04:30 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #163: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/163/
04:30 hudsonbot Colin Campbell: Bug 4074 Fix fail to parse simple qualified search
04:31 kmkale hi Brooke
04:32 chris !hudson testresult
04:32 hudsonbot test results of all projects:
04:32 hudsonbot Koha_3.0.x: latest build contains no test results
04:32 hudsonbot Koha_3.2.x build #39 had 0 of 8005 tests fail
04:32 hudsonbot Koha_Master build #163 had 0 of 8007 tests fail
04:36 kmkale chris how do I go about adding one more system preference option to itemBarcodeInputFilter? add it in sysprefs.sql? anyhting more?
04:37 chris Yep, updatedatabase.pl
04:38 kmkale ok. Thanks.
04:38 chris And the preferences file in the koha-tmpl dir
04:38 chris Under that dir anyway
04:38 kmkale oh.
04:39 chris I forget the path but its a file that is used to control the display and is translatable
04:39 chris Better than the old way
04:39 kmkale searching
04:40 kmkale koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences.tmpl
04:40 chris Nope
04:40 kmkale koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/systempreferences.tmpl
04:40 chris Its not a .tmpl file
04:40 kmkale koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/admin/preferences.tmpl
04:41 chris Maybe .pref
04:41 kmkale koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/pages/preferences.js
04:41 kmkale koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/preferences.css
04:41 chris Nope
04:41 kmkale these are all I can find under koha-tmpl with *preferences*
04:41 chris Try .pref
04:42 kmkale trying
04:42 chris Or just preference
04:42 chris Id look but id have start a vpn and that's just a pain :)
04:43 pastebot "kmkale" at 59.181.126.113 pasted ".pref files under koha-tmpl" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/102
04:43 kmkale :) just pasted all I could find with .pref
04:43 chris Those are them
04:43 kmkale none seems a likely candidate :(
04:44 chris So you edit the one you want it to live under
04:44 chris they make the tabs in the preferences editor
04:45 chris I'm guessing admin.pref
04:45 chris You might want to grep that preferences dir to find the one its in
04:47 kmkale koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/circulation.pref has itemBarcodeInputFilter in it
04:47 chris That's the one to edit then
04:47 kmkale the purpose of this file is to offer the explanation for the syspref and its options?
04:48 chris Yep
04:48 chris And to be translatable
04:48 chris The db isnt
04:49 chris So its actually the more important file to edit
04:49 kmkale ok. Thanks chris.
04:49 kmkale Although this work seems destined only for this one college it is good practice for me to make it into a proper patch :)
04:50 kmkale chris can the 4440 be merged into master now?
04:50 chris Patches ftw
04:51 chris The newly submitted and signed off patches yes
04:51 chris Ill do that tomorrow
04:51 kmkale :) thanks again
04:51 kmkale chris++
04:53 chris Np
04:53 kmkale bbl
05:15 fredericd chris++
05:15 fredericd very easy to test QA branches
06:11 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 4074 Fix fail to parse simple qualified search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f50c566b88f9b5e5dac79e3381be58c9ac9f52aa> / Brooke caught my april fools trick, its not 20004 yet! <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=250ecc9bc82ef32c0c2497c3a1d2cf6516043e3c>
06:15 hudsonbot Starting build 40 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:34 cait hi #koha
06:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #40: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_3.2.x/40/
06:36 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Brooke caught my april fools trick, its not 20004 yet!
06:36 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4074 Fix fail to parse simple qualified search
06:55 cait hi hudson
06:55 cait !hudson botsnack muesli
06:55 hudsonbot cait: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love muesli!
07:12 chris hi cait
07:12 chris fredericd++ #thanks for testing
07:12 cait hi chris :)
07:12 cait how was your trip?
07:12 chris very good, did i show you the photo?
07:12 cait I saw it
07:12 cait with the mountain
07:13 chris yep, that was from up in the water tower, 257 steps
07:14 cait :)
07:14 cait you were there for work?
07:16 chris yep
07:18 cait nice :)
07:33 cait ok, time for work!
08:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5152 - confirm buttons different styles on lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=61c7ba41042488577174c145c5fce677d408daea> / Fix for Bug 5037 - If patron category is empty it shouldn't show <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbb0819f0f22b9387ddc209b7f0997c3b507b51d> / Fix for Bug 3013, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types <h
08:16 hudsonbot Starting build 164 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:30 magnus ata marie, #koha
08:38 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #164: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/164/
08:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3013, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types
08:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5037 - If patron category is empty it shouldn't show
08:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5152 - confirm buttons different styles on lists
08:39 magnus yay!
08:45 hudsonbot Starting build 165 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:53 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2122 follow-up for authorities editor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c55f8ffca7337587a746ae6dda30d9c6508e3da7> / Fix for Bug 2122, Grayed out Fields not always visible <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=240ce5a31c278e86af5f3d465bdd6c011c951068>
09:06 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #165: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/165/
09:06 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 2122, Grayed out Fields not always visible
09:06 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Bug 2122 follow-up for authorities editor
09:11 kf good morning #koha
09:16 magnus guten morgen kf
09:18 magnus hm, is http://translate.koha-community.org/ now the active pootle for koha 3.4? http://translate.koha.org/ has a 500 error
09:19 magnus on http://translate.koha-community.org/ "Visit Koha official web site" points to koha.org
09:21 chris yep it still is, something has broken it, it was working this morning
09:22 chris is it working again now?
09:25 magnus chris: yep, thanks!
09:30 magnus sounds like work will soon be under way for a swedish translation. yay!
11:30 kmkale @roulette
11:30 munin kmkale: *click*
11:36 kf @roulette
11:36 munin kf: *click*
11:40 magnus @roulette
11:40 munin magnus: *click*
11:40 magnus puh
12:04 kmkale munin is outta ammo
12:04 munin kmkale: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
12:18 kmkale can anyone tell me how to print debug messages from Circulation.pm to koha-error_log?
12:19 kmkale I want to insert print statements to check barcode on values being passed while I am working on a custom itemBarcodeInputFilter
12:24 kmkale ok got it :)
12:55 druthb howdy, #koha.
12:56 kf h druthb :)
13:02 kmkale hi druthb
13:02 druthb hi, kf and kmkale. :)
13:02 kmkale hi kf
13:11 druthb @quote random
13:11 munin druthb: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:20 PM, December 22, 2009)
13:11 druthb @quote random
13:11 munin druthb: Quote #87: "<wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" (added by chris_n at 07:26 PM, July 29, 2010)
13:11 druthb lol
13:12 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 2122 follow-up for authorities editor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4edd2a9493305d6c2ef0094642d64807ff859ec> / Fix for Bug 2122, Grayed out Fields not always visible <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a34c5289ae4f43685af0e5288d7eefeb64993d8> / Fix for Bug 5152 - confirm buttons different styles on lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
13:15 hudsonbot Starting build 41 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:16 druthb Good morning, owen.
13:17 owen Hi
13:31 kmkale The Circulation system preference page says "itemBarcodeInputFilter (modified) scanned patron barcodes. " Does itemBarcodeInputFilter setting also affect patron barcodes in the same way as it does item barcodes?
13:38 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #41: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_3.2.x/41/
13:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3013, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types
13:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5037 - If patron category is empty it shouldn't show
13:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5152 - confirm buttons different styles on lists
13:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 2122, Grayed out Fields not always visible
13:38 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Bug 2122 follow-up for authorities editor
13:38 druthb owen++
14:27 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:27 sekjal morning, jcamins
14:36 owen Can someone remind me of how to add [SIGNED-OFF] to a git send-email subject line?
14:37 sekjal git commit --amend
14:39 owen That adds the line to the commit message, but not to the subject line of the email does it?
14:39 sekjal the subject line of the email will be the first line of the updated commit message
14:39 sekjal git commit --amend to add [SIGNED-OFF] to the beginning of the first line, plus any other notes further down
14:39 sekjal then git format-patch -s to add the signoff line
14:43 owen Thanks sekjal, I don't think that was how I was instructed before but it seems to have worked
14:43 chris_n or (courtesy gmcharlt): git format-patch -s --subject-prefix='PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF' origin
14:44 jcamins chris_n: wow! That's really cool!
14:45 sekjal git++
14:46 kf git++ gmcharlt++
14:57 jcamins @karma git
14:57 munin jcamins: Karma for "git" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
14:57 jcamins @karma gmcharlt
14:57 munin jcamins: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 208 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 204.
14:58 jcamins git++ gmcharlt++
14:58 jcamins @karma git
14:58 munin jcamins: Karma for "git" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14.
14:58 jcamins @karma gmcharlt
14:58 munin jcamins: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 209 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of 205.
14:58 * owen adds more sign-off details to the wiki page on the subject
15:02 briceSanc Hello
15:03 sekjal morning, briceSanc!
15:05 briceSanc Do you know if there is a way to detect the current intranet language in a script ?
15:06 jcamins briceSanc: server-side script or client-side script?
15:06 briceSanc server-side script
15:06 jcamins I think there's a syspref.
15:10 briceSanc In fact, I want to display information based on the language
15:11 jcamins The syspref is language, I think.
15:11 jcamins With the two digit (iso646) language code.
15:17 rhcl amit published a book
15:19 owen https://www.packtpub.com/koha-3-library-management-system/book
15:23 jwagner Congrats to Amit!
15:34 wizzyrea owen++
15:34 wizzyrea thanks for the additions to the signoff page
15:34 owen I can assure you it was purely self-serving ;) Now maybe I'll remember
15:35 wizzyrea I did one of those a couple of weeks back
15:35 wizzyrea (completely self serving wiki edits)
15:36 kmkale The Circulation system preference page says "itemBarcodeInputFilter (modified) scanned patron barcodes. ".. Does itemBarcodeInputFilter setting also affect patron barcodes in the same way as it does item barcodes?
15:38 sekjal kmkale: as I recall, the itmeBarcodeInputFilter is not applied to patron barcodes at all, no
15:38 kmkale Then the text on the sys pref page needs change
16:20 kmkale bye all
16:32 cait hi #koha
16:33 magnus ih cait
16:33 magnus s/ih/hi/
16:33 wizzyrea hi cait :)
16:33 cait ih cait?
16:33 cait hi liz :)
16:33 cait hi magnus :)
16:34 magnus i tried to correct it! ;-)
16:34 druthb hi, cait and liz and magnus! :)
16:36 magnus hi druthb and wizzyrea
16:37 wizzyrea woot druthb! :)
16:37 * druthb woots at wizzyrea.
16:46 cait why are you wooting?
16:47 magnus because it's fun?
16:47 wizzyrea because everybody deserves a woot once in a while :)
16:50 cait oh
16:50 cait ok :)
16:50 magnus woot cait!
16:50 cait woot magnus!
17:08 * druthb woots at cait, so she doesn't feel left out.
17:08 * cait woots back
17:08 druthb @karma druthb
17:08 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 39 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 39.
17:09 druthb m-hm.
17:09 druthb @karma jwagner
17:09 munin druthb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 49 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 49.
17:09 druthb :-O
17:09 jwagner heh
17:09 druthb @quote get 102
17:09 munin druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
17:10 * jwagner mutters about poachers....
17:10 * druthb gets out some eggs, and gets ready to poach.
17:11 cait poach?
17:12 druthb a way to cook eggs...hm.
17:12 jwagner Whereas I'm referring to people who hunt illegally on other people's property :-(
17:12 jcamins cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poaching and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poaching_(cooking)
17:12 druthb pochierte eier?
17:14 cait druthb: right, but never saw or ate some
17:14 druthb oh! is a yummy way to eat 'em.
17:14 wizzyrea ya, poached eggs are yummy, especially with hollandaise sauce
17:15 druthb An English muffin, a slice of canadian bacon, a poached egg, and hollandaise sauce. yum.
17:15 owen As Mr. Wonka said, "A poached egg isn't a poached egg unless it's been stolen from the woods in the dead of night."
17:15 rhcl 2 fried eggs, heavily peppered, big thick slice of ham, hash browns and buttered wheat toast
17:15 * jcamins has never eaten a poached egg either.
17:16 * jwagner notes the usual daily digression into food conversation, and gets hungry....
17:16 rhcl lunch time for you easterners
17:16 wizzyrea it's lunchtime on the east coast ;)
17:16 jwagner Yes, but my office mate just now called in the Chinese order. Certain people twisted my arm to order good food instead of the healthy stuff I bring in my lunch :-)
17:17 druthb just now! sheesh.
17:32 hdl cfouts: around ?
17:33 hdl sekjal: around ?
17:33 sekjal hdl: yes, I'm here
17:33 hdl hi how are you ?
17:33 sekjal doing okay; grappling with some SIP issues
17:33 hdl which ones ?
17:34 hdl I have done some work on SIP it is on our branch 3.0.x
17:34 hdl (for holds and Renewals, iirc)
17:34 sekjal one SIP service seems to be transmitting the username and password for the SIP user in a format that Koha can't recognize
17:34 sekjal so, lots of mucking about with configs, and talking with the service's support peoiple
17:35 hdl yeah... there is a striping of characters which makes some passwords not working.
17:35 hdl iirc. @ and ! would not be recognized.
17:35 hdl using a SIMPLE password does the trick
17:36 sekjal both $uid and $pwd are coming through as uninitialized
17:37 wizzyrea sekjal: envisionware?
17:37 sekjal bluesocket
17:37 wizzyrea nuts.
17:37 hdl yes... It is that kind of stuff. you should look at the readsippacket.
17:37 hdl sekjal: have you been able to produce some intereting map of cycles?
17:38 sekjal I've gotten two maps out there now, but both are very large and difficult to read
17:38 sekjal one includes highlighting, which helps a little
17:38 sekjal http://bit.ly/co8iEg
17:39 sekjal haven't had time to refine my scripts to only include modules that both 'use' and are used
17:39 sekjal there is a loop between C4::Reserves, C4::Search and C4::XSLT, though
17:42 hdl yes.
17:43 hdl ok... will try to work on that.
17:43 sekjal thanks, hdl!
17:43 hdl thank you.
17:43 hdl How do you produce pdf ?
17:44 sekjal step 1: my script creates a .dot file out of the kohaclone/C4 directory
17:44 sekjal step 2: I run that file through another script to add highlighting for cycles
17:44 sekjal step 3: open in Graphviz, and export as PDF
17:46 hdl I think I fail the step 3.
17:46 hdl But well. Work on C4::Reserves C4::Search C4::XSLT cycle is a good start
18:00 Brooke what it is
18:01 druthb @quote get 104
18:01 munin druthb: Quote #104: "<Brooke> not people quoting me *again*" (added by druthb at 01:07 AM, November 17, 2010)
18:01 Brooke :P
18:02 * Brooke can take the piss outta people, but can't take it herself. {Error line 67. TFU}
18:04 druthb hee hee.
18:07 Brooke if you really wanna do a number on me, you round up mah Fraternity Brothers with a little help from the Wayback Machine ;)
18:07 * druthb wouldn't do a number on Brooke.
18:07 * druthb is nicer than that.
18:07 Brooke it *is* really funny, so long as you aren't me.
18:11 wizzyrea oh, lunch time
18:11 wizzyrea cold and nasty, burrito or pizza?
18:11 wizzyrea hmm
18:12 Brooke metal or rock?
18:12 wizzyrea techno ;)
18:12 Brooke techno = hummus + a salad
18:17 Brooke howdy big
18:23 Brooke ooooh smexy Social Networking and Litigation: Friend or Unethical Foe? Event on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
18:24 jcamins Wow, RDA was published in a print edition.
18:24 Brooke for reals?
18:25 jcamins Yup.
18:25 jcamins Sceenshots?
18:26 jcamins A bunch of 8.5"x11" printouts?
18:26 * jcamins is curious
18:28 Brooke omg there's one on violent video games, too.
18:33 Brooke http://www.rdatoolkit.org/RDAPrint
18:33 Brooke sorry, jcamins, the legal pr0n was just too shiny.
18:36 schuster Yes - online they wanted like $300 annually.
18:37 chris Morning
18:37 * Brooke salutes Chris with respect
18:37 wizzyrea ^^
18:40 chris I still think that in most searches we aren't actually telling zebra to relevance rank and that's the root of the problem
18:41 * chris continues a mail thread in irc
18:41 * Brooke thanks chris
18:41 Brooke How did it work in the before time?
18:41 cait morning chris
18:42 chris Well you have to tell zebra to apply relevance ranking, somewhere that has been removed, or never existed in the first place
18:45 chris Hiya cait
18:45 chris My testing shows if you actually enable it you get much better results
18:45 chris I'm gonna get wizzyrea to do some testing for me
18:45 chris And hopefully a patch will come from that
18:46 Brooke ken ah test, too?
18:47 chris Got a 3.2 up and running with zebra? If so then yep
18:58 * jcamins doesn't think his library will be purchasing the print version of RDA for a while.
18:58 * Brooke doesn't believe _any_ library will be
18:59 chris I am
18:59 Brooke it'll be a handful of early adaptors
18:59 chris As ammo for my catapault
18:59 chris Right my stop
18:59 cait expensive ammo
18:59 Brooke you must document this, sir.
18:59 chris Bbiab
18:59 cait where do you aim with your catapult?
18:59 chris If I can hit stephen abram its worth it
18:59 cait or at what?
18:59 cait lol
19:00 jcamins cait: there are so many good options!
19:01 cait perhaps you can get a discount on buying them in dozens?
19:03 jcamins cait: good idea.
19:03 cait so why are people asking about rda fields in kohaß
19:04 jcamins Because it's going to be the next big thing, and everyone wants to be ready.
19:04 Brooke *nod*
19:04 Brooke only to be fair
19:04 Brooke Koha was sort of close to the mark, and definitely close to DC, when it came out
19:04 cait and MARC broke it all
19:04 Brooke everyone else has perpetually been behind Rosalie and JoAnn's thought.
19:05 cait :)
19:10 jcamins cait: you have encapsulated the world's problems.
19:11 cait nah, poor marc, it's not all his fault
19:11 Brooke oh yes it issss
19:15 chris back
19:16 Brooke ho richard
19:16 richard h iBrooke
19:29 chris ok
19:29 chris http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=alex
19:29 chris with relevance ranking
19:29 chris http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dkw,rtrn,wrdl%3Dalex
19:29 chris with relevance ranking disabled
19:30 Brooke definitely yuck on the second
19:30 chris my theory is that if you seeing results like the 2nd, that look to have little bearing on what you are searching on, chances are, it isnt actually doing relevance ranking
19:30 Brooke but for the first, it would be ideal to have author hits rise up in weight.
19:30 chris if you do author search it does
19:30 chris thats just a keyword, its sure frequency of occurence
19:30 Brooke aye, but should it not drill down?
19:31 owen "Therapy" has the search term in the subtitle and in a subject heading
19:31 owen That's +2 for that one over +1 for the author hit, as I see it
19:31 chris yep
19:31 Brooke I still think author trumps subtitle
19:32 chris in traditional catalogues yeah, where only librarians can find stuff
19:32 chris cos they understand rules that like
19:32 Brooke raw frequency might be a bear on ranking
19:32 * Brooke is not as stuffy as you think
19:33 sekjal I'd like to see user-configurable relevancy algorithms, but that'd probably be way more trouble than it's worth
19:33 Brooke I just think more is not necessarily better.
19:33 Brooke prolly not sekjal
19:33 chris nope, but neither is author a better match nessecarily than subtitle, on a keyword search
19:33 Brooke if we *really* wanna innovate, those would be smexy.
19:34 chris sekjal: it isnt actually that hard
19:34 owen So chris what's the diagnosis? Is ranking really broken (or not used) by default?
19:34 chris you can pass things to zebra to make it wait fields
19:34 chris dunno, cos the people who are complaining, i cant see their opacs
19:35 Brooke can you configure those things up front so they happen out of the box>
19:35 chris but it seems to me, that you get much better results with relevance ranking on
19:35 wizzyrea where do you check?
19:36 chris wizzyrea: easy way to check is this
19:36 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dkw,wrdl%3Dalex
19:36 chris without ranking
19:36 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Drank,kw,wrdl%3Dalex
19:36 wizzyrea i hope that's faster for you than it was for me… oi.
19:36 chris with
19:36 chris no, its slow as hell
19:36 chris ur db is borked
19:36 Brooke same hyeah
19:37 chris now those 2 queries arent doing right truncation, so lemme turn that on, cos it looks like you have that on too
19:38 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dkw,wrdl,rtrn%3Dalex
19:38 chris without again
19:38 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Drank,kw,wrdl,rtrn%3Dalex
19:38 chris with
19:39 chris so the stemming (right truncation) does make it harder to find exact matches
19:39 chris but ranking is still better with them than no ranking
19:39 wizzyrea so it's the rank bit
19:39 chris yup
19:39 chris now if you look at
19:40 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=alex
19:40 chris it seems to be doing ranking
19:40 Brooke is there a way to kidney punch right trunc so that it cooperates?
19:40 chris Brooke: its doing exactly what we told it to
19:40 Brooke (Precise match > longer variant)
19:41 wizzyrea GIGO and all that ;)
19:41 Brooke but it's not garbage
19:41 wizzyrea and on my 3.3 that has old production data on it, the ranking seems to be broken, the results are much better with the ranking on
19:41 chris yes it is
19:41 chris C4/Search is a maze of garbage
19:41 Brooke and someone just raised the Librarian finding information but not the patron so :P
19:41 owen Bummer that highlighting is busted when you use ccl
19:42 chris Brooke: our search module is garbage
19:42 Brooke didn't used to be. What happened?
19:42 chris its always been garbage
19:43 jcamins Brooke: see cait's comment 40 minutes ago. ;)
19:43 * wizzyrea coughs
19:43 wizzyrea marc
19:43 * wizzyrea coughs
19:43 chris but it still works better than lots
19:43 Brooke there was a Librarian at CCILA that was very hot on Koha being able to find King's IT
19:43 chris and if we rewrote the search module in a way that wasnt a maze of incomprehension we could make it work a lot better
19:44 Brooke where other ILSs failed utterly
19:44 chris Brooke: still can
19:44 Brooke (stopword thing, I realise)
19:44 chris like i say, its better than others
19:44 chris but they are total garbage
19:44 chris ours is jsut mostly garbage
19:44 Brooke so it's just like me.
19:44 Brooke that puts it into perspective :)
19:44 druthb harrrumph!
19:45 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=it
19:45 chris shazzam!
19:46 * druthb runs away from the clown.
19:48 jcamins chris: impressive. For your next trick, can you make it handle The (that is, the samizdat poetry journal from the 90s)?
19:48 chris im doubting its in nekls catalogue
19:49 Brooke bet it's in Jar's
19:49 wizzyrea dunno, we've got some crazy stuf int her
19:49 wizzyrea in there*
19:49 jcamins The NYPL is the only place I know for sure has it.
19:49 * jcamins goes to search "The" in the NYPL catalog.
19:49 chris try searching the the
19:49 sekjal sounds like another must-have biblio record for the demo system
19:50 chris as in the band
19:50 chris you cant find it in wellington city's catalogue
19:50 * owen tried 'the the'
19:50 jcamins If you search for Title: The in the NYPL catalog, it comes up.
19:50 jcamins Well, kind of.
19:50 Brooke what's the point, NYPL is on III.
19:50 jcamins It's hit eleven of twelve.
19:51 jcamins Brooke: I was curious. :P
19:51 Brooke those bastages have the radical american indian review....
19:51 darling i don't see why we should be rewarding that type of naming behaviour
19:51 chris heh
19:51 jcamins And we should be able to offer compelling features to persuade the NYPL to go with Koha next migration.
19:52 jcamins Such as "finally your patrons will be able to just type 'The' into the search box, and get the record they want."
19:52 Brooke don't know if their culture is cool enough for that kind of migration
19:52 chris pull in the record from LOC
19:52 chris into koha, see what it does to it
19:52 Brooke Boston mebbe
19:52 jcamins NYPL's Z39.50 works.
19:53 jcamins Oh, I guess it's hard to search for, huh?
19:53 chris if it has an issn
19:53 chris nope
19:54 cait perhaps a control number?
19:54 jcamins A samizdat poetry journal with the title "The"?
19:54 jcamins Found it.
19:55 Brooke bonjour
19:56 owen If you title-search LOC for "the" you get "The system failed while performing your search."
19:56 chris good old voyager
19:57 owen Not only that you have to actually click the "start over" link or all your subsequent searches will fail too
19:57 Brooke well, Sodom has it set poorly.
19:58 owen In LOC's record for The the's "Soul mining," the band is identified as "The"
19:58 owen 710 2_ |a The (Musical group)
19:58 chris heh
19:58 chris when stopwords go bad
20:03 cait is there a solution?
20:03 jcamins How do you enable relevance ranking with ccl?
20:06 chris rank
20:07 chris check out etc/zebradb/ccl.properties
20:07 chris rk will work too
20:07 chris http://opac.rhcl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dkw,rk%3D%22the+the%22&limit=
20:08 chris hehe, typo
20:08 wizzyrea so surely it was on at some point
20:08 chris i think its on in yours wizzyrea
20:08 wizzyrea it appears to be
20:09 pastebot "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "# Rank Weights r1 9=32 r2 9=28" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/104
20:09 wizzyrea (I'm thinking in default installs)
20:09 chris theres a ton of stuff in zebra we arent using
20:09 jcamins Hrm.
20:10 jcamins Can't find "The."
20:10 jcamins Or, rather, it probably did, but there are 52937 hits.
20:10 Brooke stopwords file?
20:10 chris url jcamins ?
20:10 jcamins http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dkw,rk:the
20:10 jcamins This query brings it up: http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=american+poetry
20:11 jcamins (so clearly it's been indexed)
20:22 chris try this
20:22 chris ccl=ti,complete-subfield,rk="the."
20:22 chris actually ccl=ti,complete-subfield,rk=the.
20:22 chris works too
20:23 chris there is a bunch more we can do with zebra, we just need to fix search.pm to be usable
20:23 jcamins Nifty!
20:23 chris have a look at etc/zebradb/ccl.properties
20:24 chris theres all sorts of neatness in there'
20:24 * jcamins did that and got totally confused and overwhelmed
20:24 chris heh
20:28 jcamins Ick, the dropdown automatically appends wrdl to indexes in the search box?
20:29 chris appears to
20:29 chris which is st-word-list
20:30 jcamins Which in turn breaks complete-subfield.
20:33 jcamins There go my visions of being able to easily find books with common titles.
20:33 chris why?
20:33 chris just fix it ;)
20:33 Brooke easy words for Mr. Koha to utter.
20:34 chris pshaw
20:34 chris if everyone took that attitude, id be the only one working on it
20:34 Brooke care to share how to fix it?
20:34 chris if the dropdown is appending wrdl
20:34 chris stop it doing that
20:34 chris done
20:34 Brooke there are a daunting number of switches to flip now.
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21:11 Brooke I better get to fixing supper et cetera.
21:34 jcamins Speak of the devil.
21:34 jcamins Here's yet another discussion of RDA.
21:38 wizzyrea hi irma :)
21:38 jcamins [off] it will be a whole new world. A shiny one.
21:39 jcamins Good night, #koha, better leave before I get too snarky.
21:44 cait good night #koha
21:48 irma G'day wizzyrea
21:50 irma G'day all
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23:06 druthb howdy, #koha.
23:16 chris hi druthb
23:16 druthb :) hi, chris
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23:43 munin druthb: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 05:31 PM, February 19, 2010)
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23:51 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Corrected patch for Bug 4520, facets "show more" doesn't work
23:51 hudsonbot * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5059: Inconsistent use of ordering price and list price in vendor form
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23:53 rhcl hudson, you need to start drinking Sanka
23:54 druthb lol
23:54 * druthb waves to rhcl.
23:54 rhcl hihi
23:57 richard tags question. does koha keep a record of who adds a tag?
23:58 chris yes
23:58 richard cool, thanks