Time Nick Message 23:59 * owen increments the last recorded version number in updatedatabase.pl 23:51 owen Is the version number I'm upgrading to arbitrary? 23:50 gmcharlt first time, really, that we've been dealing with a large number of topic branches each of which can have database updates on them 23:49 owen Okay, I didn't know that 23:49 gmcharlt making a backup of your test database beforehand would be a good idea, too 23:49 gmcharlt owen: since the database version can't be set precisely for a QA branch, you'll have to adjust updatabase.pl and kohaversion.pl when you test 23:48 owen "We are upgrading from Koha 3.01.00.145 to 3.03.00.XXX 23:48 owen Hey, I was just trying to check out the biblibre_opac qa branch and I'm having trouble with the updatedatabase 22:36 wizzyrea superawesome 22:36 chris yay 22:36 wizzyrea it even catches item level holds that are on lost items 22:35 sekjal time to go 22:35 wizzyrea so that report to show who has abandoned holds is pretty great 22:35 wizzyrea hey sekjal :) 22:35 sekjal wehoo 22:35 sekjal just showing the awesomeness of the Koha community and our chat 22:35 Brooke howdy 22:34 sekjal hi everyone! 22:32 Brooke hi 22:26 wizzyrea ah I just love libre office. The fact that you can paste a delimited clipboard makes me so. very. happy. 22:16 robin haha 22:16 * wizzyrea remembers that "bonk" means something totally different here, refrains from using it 22:16 wizzyrea robin: …lol 22:15 darling goats! 22:15 robin wizzyrea: no, the cron job is better than the daemon at the moment :) 22:15 wizzyrea that seems a bit synonymous with the common description of a demon as well 22:14 Brooke look, just because I have hooves, a tail, and some horns... 22:14 robin you started it! you just called yourself one! 22:14 * Brooke resents being called a goat. 22:13 chris heh 22:13 robin chris: I think we should be powering all this with the use of goats. Can I get the big bucks now? 22:12 * Brooke waves to eric 22:10 cait true 22:10 cait chris: ture 22:09 wizzyrea revision: this is why chris has the most social capital of any of us ;) 22:09 chris its the people with the retarded ideas that get the big bucks 22:09 chris i think you misunderstand how the economy works 22:09 wizzyrea true dat 22:09 Brooke that's why he gets the big bucks 22:06 wizzyrea capital idea 22:06 chris yeah 22:06 wizzyrea to what, run on a cron? 22:03 chris you should make it a script 21:59 wizzyrea a report 21:59 wizzyrea er 21:59 wizzyrea tcohen: i am talking about a script that shows who has holds on items where their hold will never be filled because the item is lost, damaged, or withdrawn 21:59 robin Brooke: it's about a crime writer who follows police around to get ideas. Anyway, at one point he gets a bulletproof vest made that says "WRITER" 21:59 tcohen damn1 21:59 tcohen lost my ssh session 21:59 tcohen damn, yakuake core dumped 21:58 tcohen and i'm not sure it can resolve our coins issue 21:56 * Brooke lives under a rock with only rats for company. 21:56 tcohen chris: it looks like scrubber sanitizes tags and its attributes 21:56 Brooke don't believe so 21:56 robin Brooke: have you ever watched "Castle"? 21:55 Brooke never did by my Library jacket... http://www.unshelved.com/store/Outerwear/LibraryRaid 21:55 Brooke >:) 21:54 robin Brooke: next step is an SQL script that'll go around to their house with a few heavies and discourage them from being late again. 21:53 Brooke SQL script to enable phoning a Patron and telling em how hosed they are for procrastination 21:53 tcohen wizzyrea: what r u talking abouT 21:53 wizzyrea ba dum bum 21:52 Brooke you just had issues ;) 21:52 wizzyrea MEH! I tried that (I thought) and it didn't work. At the very least I was on the right path several times. 21:51 * wizzyrea looks at what you did thar 21:51 wizzyrea oooh 21:50 chris using that might be what you want to do 21:50 chris which uses HTML::Scrubber 21:50 * wizzyrea sobs 21:50 chris right, have you looked at C4::Scrubber 21:50 wizzyrea (plz don't be like my mother and say "yes, you are") 21:49 wizzyrea *trying&* 21:49 tcohen we cannot be sure the marc fields don't have single or double quotes 21:49 chris that *might* work 21:49 pastebot "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "SELECT borrowers.cardnumber, b" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/101 21:48 tcohen when we "construct" the coins span 21:48 tcohen specifically in GetCOinSBiblio 21:48 tcohen the thing is that the problem is in Biblio.pm 21:47 chris for template::toolkit 21:47 tcohen yes 21:47 chris and | h 21:47 chris for html::template 21:47 tcohen to get coins to work sth like that needs to be done 21:47 chris with escape="HTML" 21:47 chris hmm, i think its better to have the template do it 21:46 tcohen such that " is substituted by " and ' by ' 21:46 chris itd be awful if i had to do it 21:45 tcohen 1 question: do you think it'd be awful to generate a $record->htmlized_subfield method for biblios? 21:44 chris 2 secs 21:44 chris k 21:43 wizzyrea right 21:43 chris you dont care if its out or not? just who placed it? 21:40 cait :) 21:39 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "orphaned hold report" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/100 21:38 wizzyrea yep 21:38 wizzyrea yep, so you can contact them to say "sorry, this item isn't available anymore" 21:38 chris can you paste what you have? 21:37 chris who placed the reserve? 21:36 wizzyrea what I have shows the person who has an abandoned reserve item checked out, I want to know who has the reserve 21:35 wizzyrea (abandoned holds) 21:34 chris with more ponies 21:34 wizzyrea I'm trying to get a report that shows the persons who hold reserves on bibs that only have items that are marked lost, withdrawn, or damaged (lol chris) 21:33 trea sweet 21:33 chris right now! 21:33 chris i just rewrote the whole world in it 21:33 chris they are all crap compared to awesomechrisc+091LPxl 21:33 wizzyrea alright, anybody have a moment for a probably elementary report question? 21:32 rhcl PL1 (I'll get it right this time) 21:32 gmcharlt ((((really?))) 21:32 rhcl APL1 21:32 rhcl APL is pretty good too. 21:31 rhcl Lisp is better than Forth 21:31 cfouts ML 21:31 gmcharlt Forth! 21:30 rhcl I did not--I wanted Ada! 21:29 wizzyrea oh yea, that was a good one 21:29 chris (happens usually once a year) 21:29 chris someone suggested rewriting all of koha in java 21:27 wizzyrea quite a bit of talk about solr 21:27 wizzyrea there was the epic RFC discussion. 21:27 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ <-- that 21:27 chris hmm 21:24 darling did I miss anything? 21:23 darling howdy howdy howdy 21:22 wizzyrea yay darling! 21:22 trea o/ 21:22 chris wb darling :) 21:04 chris night hdl 21:04 hdl Good night. 20:58 hdl delicious.com/laurenthdl/com0com 20:57 hdl found 2 other for record : 20:46 hdl I have been using com0com... But command line... and not much windows user friendly 20:45 hdl anyone aware of a good tcp2com FOSS project ? 20:33 chris if you ever are looking for a new provider 20:33 chris i really like linode 20:33 hdl See you folks. 20:33 hdl I have to get on an unfriendly VPN... And then go to bed.. 20:32 hdl sure... it just takes space and time. ;) 20:32 chris hdl: excellent 20:31 gmcharlt hdl: blib is mostly an artifact of how the installer was implemented as an application of EU::MM, but isn't valuable per se 20:31 hdl as soon as our hudson is up, i'll send a message. 20:30 hdl (It takes so much space....) 20:29 hdl ... I never understood why blib was so important. 20:29 hdl we may try and mutualise some diskspace on that. 20:28 chris what gmcharlt said :) 20:28 gmcharlt that would be a case where some distribution would help 20:28 chris i might have to pay linode for more disk if i run more 20:28 gmcharlt hdl: not a bad idea to have it done automatically, but I think would require more server horsepower 20:28 chris bugs is a fairly smallish box though 20:28 chris but yep, wouldnt hurt 20:28 hdl nice. 20:28 hdl I understood 20:28 chris :) 20:28 chris suite too 20:28 chris i run the sweet before i push the branch 20:27 hdl would maybe provide some basic tests for qa at least. 20:26 hdl chris: what about running tests on all the branches awaiting_qa ? 20:25 * chris_n gives up on SMS and just uses email2txt 20:22 chris we might not have been running the db_dependent tests before 20:21 hdl funny it just appeared now. 20:21 chris yeah, sounds likely 20:21 hdl maybe some backport from master to 3.0 20:19 chris t/db_dependent/Auth.t 20:19 hdl shoot. 20:19 chris but i cant find that file? 20:19 chris Auth.t has use override_context_prefs; 20:18 hdl (to be built upon solr) 20:18 chris hdl: i cant fidn that file? 20:18 hdl We also Worked out a Z3950::SimpleServer... 20:18 hdl We are trying to build some from our tests and experience 20:18 hdl We will ask for contribution when we have the meeting around solr 20:17 chris hdl: excellent :) 20:17 * owen finds the output of that search much more confusing than what he sees on HLT's site 20:17 hdl I saw there were very little in the test suite. 20:16 hdl We will also make some use case for C4::Search.pm and some tests. 20:16 owen SMFPL is doing a different kind of Ohio Web Library integration, wherein OWL scrapes the Koha search results screen and integrates the results into its own search results: http://www.smfpl.org/library/super_search?additional=66.213.124.205:2100/biblios&submit=Search&search=maori 20:16 hdl We shall implement that soon. 20:16 hdl we decided to use a hudson bot too. 20:14 hdl thanks chris. 20:14 chris ill have a quick look now 20:14 chris its probably an ENV variable missing 20:14 chris hdl: yes, could well be, ill try to have a look today 20:14 chris calling a local script which then fetches the data, gets round all the anti XSS script measures most browsers have now 20:13 chris then the js does stuff with it 20:13 chris opac-externalsearch.pl takes your rss, and makes it into JSON 20:13 chris owen: i started changing it it, to opac-externalsearch.pl and changing the syspref so you could just plug in anything 20:12 hdl Is there a problem with the test script ? 20:12 owen Oh, interesting 20:12 chris hdl: that would do it 20:12 chris if you change the base url 20:12 hdl (in the console.) 20:11 chris if so, the code for kete will just work 20:11 hdl chris : Can't locate override_context_prefs.pm in @INC 20:11 chris can you get search results as an rss feed? 20:11 chris ahh 20:11 owen I'm asking because Stephen and I are talking about ways to integrate results from the Ohio Web Library into Koha search results 20:11 chris i just found it easier to have a place to pop it in 20:10 chris nope, i didnt, but no reason why you couldnt do that 20:10 owen Did you experiment with adding the div via js as well? 20:09 chris yup 20:09 owen But the div is coded into the template eh? 20:09 chris pulls them into a div 20:08 chris yes 20:08 owen chris does the Koha/kete integration use AJAX to display the kete results sidebar? 20:08 hdl chris++ 20:08 hdl chris+++++ 20:07 chris so should be easier to test and more likely to be able to be merged 20:07 chris done, and its now only doing the 2 database updates it needs to 20:06 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/biblibre_opac 19:59 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_3.0.x/lastBuild/console 19:58 chris ahh here 19:58 chris i noticed that add limits to search history pulls in a whole pile of database changes, not just the limiting to search history one, so fixing that as i go 19:58 hdl (on hudson) 19:57 hdl chris where can I find the reason why 3.0.x is not sunny ? 19:56 hdl ok thanks. 19:55 chris im doing the opac now 19:55 chris_n well, what jcamins said 19:55 chris_n ^^what he said 19:55 chris cool 19:55 jcamins They're evil and will shorten your lifespan! 19:54 hdl I will push one patch on that right away 19:54 hdl chris: Don't work on authorities now. 19:54 hdl good evening all 19:54 wizzyrea never mind, I consulted the wiki and found a report that's pretty close to that 19:50 wizzyrea does the functionality exist in koha to alert an administrator about "orphaned" reserves? An example of this would be a bib where the last item available for reserve is marked missing, lost, or damaged, and the people on the list won't get their holds filled 19:48 chris_n g'morning chris 19:48 chris_n g'evening hdl 19:47 chris hdl: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/biblibre_acquisitions one done 19:47 wizzyrea and almost retired anyway 19:47 wizzyrea yep, very 19:46 owen Is there a special name for Perl's "@_" variable? 19:45 chris not me 19:43 chris_n is anyone using SMS for notices? 19:41 gmcharlt wizzyrea: old version? 19:41 * wizzyrea does a dance 19:41 wizzyrea woot the patch fixed it 19:20 wizzyrea that is also helpful, thanks 19:20 wizzyrea aha 19:20 gmcharlt then git show 7f7dfa0a1 19:20 gmcharlt git log and look for the patch 19:19 wizzyrea :( sickie google fu fail. 19:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: alternatively 19:19 wizzyrea I did teh googlez… but I guess I didn't look for the right thing 19:19 wizzyrea ok that last one is helpful. :) 19:18 chris google rules 19:18 chris http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-August/009833.html 19:18 chris and again on the 6th :) 19:18 chris third link should be the patch 19:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3250 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Overdues report shows unique ID instead of location name 19:18 chris koha bug 3250 19:18 wizzyrea update to 3.0.4 I guess 19:18 chris do a google 19:17 munin 04Bug 3520: blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, crash when adding or editing item record 19:17 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3520 19:17 wizzyrea how would I go about finding the patch for this bug? 19:04 thd jcamins: Some of the OpenURL standards documents have some minor terminological inconsistencies which does not make them easier to read :) 19:02 thd jcamins: s/attributes/keys/ for a closer match to OpenURL terminology above. 19:01 druthb hi, chris. :) 19:01 chris morning 18:51 Brooke back to the salt mines. 18:48 thd Brooke: I substituted 'progress' for your use of 'less centralised'. I think of decentralisation as good progress. 18:47 Brooke just clarifying that so I needn't disagree with meself. 18:47 thd I know that you did not. 18:46 Brooke didn't say progres.s 18:46 thd Brooke: I hope that times' arrow and progress have a general alignment but that is not a necessary condition of the world. 18:45 thd jcamins: On the subject of OpenURL Koha is missing a required attribute, has strings such as p. for pages included in numberic attributes, etc. 18:45 Brooke control as it relates to the arrow of time would seem to be less centralised, not more. 18:44 Brooke bah 18:42 thd OCLC research has some real heros for the future of library science. We need to be alert so that OCLC does not control that future. 18:42 Brooke just remember that you've 2 Kuia protecting ye. It'll be fine. 18:41 * Brooke cackles. 18:41 * jcamins had never considered the possibility that Brooke's grins were not impish 18:41 * Brooke grins impishly. 18:39 thd Whatever, the problems with OCLC, the money which they obtain from users pays for a great research department. Microsoft also does great research with their loot. 18:36 thd jcamins: I have even met Karen Calhoon, and spoken with her extensively. I was prepared to regard her as champion of everything wrong but she came across as misguided but willing to be accommodating. 18:36 Brooke by missing conference, you missed poor Lee seated between those two. 18:35 * Brooke chastises owen again for not collaborating with Rosalie and JoAnn on the same. 18:34 * owen wonders where he left that 18:34 * wizzyrea_ remembers that owen had a plan to take over the world 18:34 owen Must be something about Ohio 18:30 jcamins Ah, that explains it. :) 18:29 Brooke lol @ lair. 18:29 thd jcamins: I have never been to Ohio. I only met people from OCLC at conferences, never in their lair. 18:28 * jcamins thinks longingly about making a comment to do with daylight and thd not looking at the ceiling when he was given a tour... 18:27 thd Brooke: I think that the scary people at OCLC mostly work in the legal department, although, I have a good rapport with lawyers in general. I have never met any OCLC lawyers. 18:25 Brooke Tayloristic company behaviour is often unrelated to individual behaviour for obvious reasons. 18:25 jcamins thd: I have met personally the former CEO of a company which is generally reviled by everyone, including myself. I liked him just fine, but I still hope the company he helped build collapses in on itself. 18:24 * owen has learned that liking someone on a personal basis is unrelated to their company's behavior 18:23 thd gmcharlt: I have never met anyone from OCLC whom I did not like on a personal basis when I met the person with only one exception. 18:22 thd gmcharlt: I do prefer to be optimistic. 18:19 gmcharlt thd: I think that's an optimistic reading of what happened 18:16 thd jcamins: Thankfully, OCLCs members compelled them to come up with a half reasonable record reuse policy after their previous attempt. 18:14 druthb hi. 18:14 Brooke ahoy druthb 18:13 thd jcamins: You can download all the originating source records used to create Open Library records from the Internet Archive. 18:12 thd jcamins: The treat which OCLC has to fear from Open Library is a threat from raw record redistribution. 18:11 jcamins [off] when your monopoly is based on being the only game in town, any new game is a threat 18:11 * Brooke is a pessimist after many years of optimism. 18:11 jcamins To be fair, OCLC has a point. 18:10 thd Brooke: Ok, you are correct. OCLC sees any aggregation of bibliographic records, however poor the data model, as a threat to their monopoly. 18:09 Brooke change your footing from an open source advocate to an OCLC wonk and give me the same answer. 18:09 thd Brooke: They are not aimed at competing with OCLC except for interlibrary loan facilitation of electronic copies perhaps. 18:07 wizzyrea_ ^^ what she said 18:07 Brooke I'd expect them to offer more meaningful services in future than OCLC if things shake out correctly 18:07 thd wizzyrea: I have been and am encouraging them. 18:06 Brooke mmm. think they are not quite done laying solid foundations. 18:06 wizzyrea_ maybe we should be encouraging instead of trying to replace them. 18:06 thd Brooke: Open Library is a real project of the Internet Archive but which is much less inspiring on close examination of the implementation. 18:04 * Brooke drools at the thought of Open Library 18:04 thd Open Library is partly intended as a world OPAC in a very modest way. 18:02 thd A world OPAC could make good use of OpenURL. 18:01 thd gmcharlt: I want Koha to be able to work on a world OPAC scale. 18:00 gmcharlt obviously better caching might be called for 18:00 gmcharlt thd: I don't think that's a realistic view of system load 18:00 thd gmcharlt: That depends on the number of simultaneous users. Given enough simultaneous users everything would be requested at once. 17:59 gmcharlt thd: the normalization wouldn't have to be done all at once for all possibly purposes 17:58 * jcamins wanders off to eat lunch, muttering something about OpenURL binding descriptions 17:58 thd gmcharlt: I suggest that the degree of normalisation needed for so many different purposes would make too much of a real time demand upon the CPU if all needed normalisation would be done for every possible feature. 17:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1, ---, frederic, NEW, Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 17:57 thd gmcharlt: In bug #3092 I suggest storing data in various forms normalised for various purposes. 17:56 gmcharlt I grant that it could be done a lot more systematically 17:55 gmcharlt thd: since there's no one true normalization for all specific purposes, normalization needs to happen at the edges and interfaces 17:55 rhcl Yesterday is was us that was blushing 17:55 thd jcamins: Exactly, that is what bug #3092 is all about, whether the data is stored in MARC or in Koha SQL columns, the data is not normalised correctly for any specific purpose. 17:54 * Brooke blushes 17:54 jcamins I'm apparently a bit distracted. 17:54 jcamins thd: please ignore my random tenses. 17:54 * wizzyrea_ waves to Brooke 17:54 wizzyrea_ :D 17:54 wizzyrea_ she's nice 17:54 rhcl Brooke is back...... 17:53 jcamins Yes, my initial problem was that I'm not entirely sure there's a clear mapping of MARC field-COinS field 17:53 thd jcamins: Values had to first be appropriately normalised for inclusion in OpenURL. 17:52 jcamins thd: sorry for the pause, I was on the phone. 17:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1, ---, frederic, NEW, Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 17:51 thd jcamins: Bug #3092 was my start at what is wrong with Koha's OpenURL COinS effort. 17:50 Brooke howdy 17:50 cait hi brooke 17:48 thd jcamins: I did not go forward with my example because adversarial relations between LibLime and PTFS came to dominate all my attention. 17:47 thd jcamins: I also investigated the Koha attempt at an implementation and had been preparing to use it as an example of a deficiency in the Koha development process. 17:46 thd jcamins: I could answer all your questions as I worked on OpenURL COinS and have some unpublished work on OpenURL. 17:45 thd jcamins: Do you mean what data should goes into particular OpenURL attributes? 17:45 gmcharlt jcamins: jrochkind on #code4lib might be a good person to talk to about OpenURL's data model 17:44 jcamins thd: no, I specifically had trouble figuring out what data went where. 17:43 thd jcamins: Do you mean the nature of general context objects as distinct from specific bibliographic references? 17:42 cait hi #koha 17:42 cait jo 17:41 jcamins thd: the OpenURL 1.0 Context Object. 17:40 thd jcamins: Was it the OpenURL standard which gave you trouble or the OpenURL COinS standard for embedding OpenURL in web pages? 17:39 jcamins thd: yeah, as I said, I gave up on understanding the standard at some point. 17:38 thd tcohen: Even the bugs* for OpenURL COinS support are an incomplete report. 17:31 tcohen thanks for the data 17:31 tcohen jcamins: i'll give it a try and report back 17:30 jcamins Especially since I really didn't understand the coins specification. 17:30 jcamins I'd like to get back to that, but who knows when I'll have time. 17:29 jcamins Everything's hard-coded. :( 17:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4366 normal, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, COinS support for MARC21 17:28 jcamins tcohen: I have demo patches attached to bug 4366, but they're not really commitable. 17:26 tcohen maybe we can start a rewrite or bugfix 17:25 tcohen jcamins: koha's coins support flaws are documented in a bug? 17:08 chris_n bbiab 17:01 munin rhcl: sekjal was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 6 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: * sekjal makes a mental connection: so that's where that error originates from! 17:01 rhcl @seen sekjal 17:01 jcamins The links may work with SFX- I tested with Umlaut, and it was a while ago. 16:59 jcamins (which seems to me like a design flaw, but what do I know? 16:58 jcamins coins has a bunch. 16:58 jcamins I think it's the wrong one. 16:58 jcamins (I noticed the problem when using the resulting coins with a link resolver) 16:58 owen What's wrong with the title attribute? 16:57 jcamins Unfortunately, the standard made no sense at all, and Zotero doesn't mind, so I gave up. 16:57 jcamins Specifically, the title attribute. 16:56 jcamins Also, I'm pretty sure the coins coding is non-standard compliant. 16:55 jcamins I think they're referring specifically to the fact that LDR and 008 are completely ignored, and the output is always described as a "book." 16:55 gmcharlt that's helpful 16:54 jcamins There's a laconic note "MARC21 needs some improve." 16:53 owen What else is broken about COiNS? 16:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5412 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Double quotes in publisher name, no date cause search results links to break 16:52 owen See Bug 5412 jcamins 16:52 jcamins_a tcohen++ # I didn't read the scrollback, but maybe he's going to fix the COiNS support? 16:52 kf ok, time to go - bbl! :) 16:42 gmcharlt tcohen: http://ocoins.info/ 16:42 owen I assume so, but I don't know where offhand 16:41 tcohen owen, i'll follow this bug, is there a coins specification? 16:23 magnus yay! 16:23 kf magnus++ 16:19 wizzyrea_ yay! 16:18 * kf CAN push to her repo now :) 16:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5412 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Double quotes in publisher name, no date cause search results links to break 16:14 owen Bug 5412 16:01 owen Zotero doesn't like those quotes in the publisher name either 16:01 * kf still can't push to her repo 16:00 kf now new with a capital S :) 15:58 * jwagner knows that feeling.... 15:58 owen Do not anger bizzaro-schsuter 15:58 schsuter yes and typing issues. 15:58 jwagner schsuter is having an identity crisis? 15:56 owen It's the COinS / OpenURL data messing up the markup 15:54 owen You can have double quotes in your publisher name *only if* you also have something in 260c 15:53 owen Ooh, sneaky 15:50 kf we don't have the state in the address 15:50 kf but actually we (Germany) doesn't really need it 15:50 kf I am volunteering because I did something similar before - so I think I can handle it 15:49 kf hm ok 15:49 gmcharlt kf: the upgrade could be made optional, then, by having it handled by a separate script that the library could choose to run or not 15:48 kf don't want to mess with their data 15:47 kf gmcharlt: yeah, I think that's why I don't want to update it automatically - I fear people are not consistent 15:47 owen Ah wait, now I can 15:46 owen Although even if I copy that publisher data into one of my records I can't reproduce the problem 15:46 chris_n kf: that would be a nice addition; lots of other software consumes addresses in this format 15:46 gmcharlt splitting on a comma would handle it for US addresses (not counting inconsistently entered data, of course) 15:45 owen tcohen: I'd be curious if removing the quotes from the publisher name fixed the problem 15:45 * chris_n thinks it might be possible with a sql statement or two 15:44 kf not sure I can do it... hm. but it should only be a sql command right? 15:43 kf owen: sorry... but I think that will vary for a lot of people 15:42 kf nope 15:42 owen kf: Then can you write a script which will split the state info out of our city field and automatically populate the new field? :) 15:41 kf state in address fields.. 15:41 kf chris_n: about the state address - we don't have that, but added some fields in the past - I think i could do it if you want it 15:39 kf and it's not even monday! 15:38 owen :( 15:38 owen why can't I reproduce tcohen's bug? 15:38 owen *sighs* 15:38 kf :( 15:38 kf why can't I push to my public repo? 15:38 kf *sighs* 15:33 owen A bug. I'm trying to reproduce it 15:32 tcohen owen, is this a bug or marc21 prohibits double quotes there? 15:30 owen tcohen: Looks like it might be the double quotes in the publisher name 15:30 tcohen s/oewn/owen/ 15:27 tcohen oewn: i'm checking the marc for that biblio and cannot find double quotes 15:26 wizzyrea must be something local, thanks for checking 15:25 wizzyrea even if you set it, it defaults to the first in the list 15:25 wizzyrea hmm, in mine it doesn't 15:25 owen wizzyrea: Yes 15:25 owen Sorry tcohen that isn't right is it? 15:25 wizzyrea owen: in yours it shows the currently set value in those drop downs? 15:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5147 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, If a title has double quotes, item details not displayed correctly 15:24 owen tcohen: Bug 5147 15:23 owen tcohen: I've heard of that bug before tcohen, but I've not been able to reproduce it 15:23 wizzyrea perhaps I have done it wrong 15:22 wizzyrea to have it show blanks instead of the 1st one in the list, yea 15:22 owen You had to create a completely blank entry? 15:21 wizzyrea this is what I had to do: http://screencast.com/t/vK09c1XKgDL 15:21 wizzyrea AHA 15:21 tcohen look for "Colección" 15:20 tcohen Has anyone seen this error: http://cea.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=santa+mar%C3%ADa 15:20 owen Damaged, authorized value 0, description empty 15:19 owen Oh, spoke too soon 15:19 owen I wouldn't think so 15:19 * wizzyrea tries that 15:19 wizzyrea like, a value with no value? 15:19 wizzyrea odd. it's an upgrade db. do you have to have an empty authorized value? 15:18 wizzyrea hmm 15:18 wizzyrea it has eleventy-billion sides 15:18 owen wizzyrea: Got your msg about the lost/damaged status but can't reproduce it 15:17 chris_n wizzyrea: is a wizzy_gon a new type of n-gon? 15:16 * chris_n will submit a follow-up patch later 15:15 kf i think the sample csv is build with a script - we have no sample patron attributes 15:15 chris_n kf: probably having the sample csv really be a sample (ie. having a row or two of valid data) would help as well 15:14 chris_n so I think they are best left unused in this context 15:14 chris_n it appears that single quotes fail to cause the embedded commas to be properly escaped 15:13 kf chris_n: but we need a good example on the page! 15:12 * chris_n feels better already :) 15:09 kf ok, I support you in supporting the standard ;) 15:09 kf standard++ 15:09 chris_n kf: section 2 number 7 of the above link deals with double quotes 15:08 chris_n so I think we must support the standard and clarify the help to use examples which follow 15:07 chris_n http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4180.txt 15:06 kf do you have a link? 15:06 chris_n RFC-4180 15:06 chris_n if you do '"foo","bar","foobar"' things break 15:05 kf chris_n: which RFC are we talking about? 15:04 kf forgot my github passwort - again :( 15:04 chris_n the RFC does speak to single quotes 15:02 kf chris_n: what happens if you want to use single quotes? does that work too? 14:58 kf a better worded help is really needed 14:58 kf and who invents somthing like that? it looks a bit scary 14:58 kf I can do tomorrow, is that ok? 14:57 chris_n but want to be sure what I replace it with does, indeed, work :-) 14:57 chris_n I think the problem is the poorly worded help text 14:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors 14:56 chris_n can you do some testing on my latest remarks on bug 5379? 14:56 kf chris_n: that's the possibility I haven't tested... *sighs* 14:56 kf chris_n: wanted to write the same to you right now 14:55 chris_n kf: about? 14:23 hdl kf: it is mibbit. 14:12 kf new nick? 14:12 kf hi hdl 14:11 hdl hi jwagner 14:10 jwagner Bonjour hdl 13:48 * jwagner hands cfouts a teddy bear 13:45 cfouts ever since "Poltergeist"... 13:45 jwagner hi kmkale 13:45 * kf hands cfouts some hot chocolate 13:45 kf cfouts: I am scared of clowns too 13:44 druthb hi, kmkale. :) 13:44 kmkale hi druthb kf jwagner 13:38 * jwagner wonders what cfouts has been eating/drinking/smoking lately.... 13:38 * druthb bursts into giggles. 13:37 cfouts can't sleep... clowns will eat me. 13:37 * druthb boggles. 13:37 jwagner cfouts, what are you doing up so early? 13:34 jwagner Guten tag, kf 13:28 kf hi owen, druthb and jwagner 13:17 owen Hi 13:17 kmkale hi owen 13:17 kmkale good evening 13:05 jwagner Morning. 13:03 druthb howdy, #koha. 12:58 kf it's a small group looking at various systems 12:57 kf ah on friday 12:56 gmcharlt when's your presentation? 12:56 gmcharlt hi kf 12:56 kf hi gmcharlt 12:36 gmcharlt good morning 11:54 irmaB see ya Magnus and goodluck for your mission too! 11:53 magnus good night irmaB - see ya! 11:53 magnus so do i - on a mission to bring the joy of koha to germany... ;-) 11:53 irmaB Time to say goodnight :) Goodluck kf 11:51 irmaB kf You will be fine... in fact.. I think you will be great!! 11:50 irmaB and then the MARC frameworks in Koha etc. 11:50 irmaB re cataloguing ... maybe show them http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ 11:49 kf but will show intranet too 11:49 kf yes, I have nice slides about the opac featues 11:48 irmaB you can always show various Koha OPACS and point out the flexibility 11:47 kf and I have some cataloging questions from the attending libraries to prepare for 11:47 kf hm a general talk about koha 11:47 irmaB depending on the size of the audiance 11:45 irmaB 45 minutes is actually not that long 11:44 irmaB perhaps I have some 11:44 irmaB slides saying what? 11:44 irmaB great 11:43 kf longest so far - need more slides! 11:43 kf koha presentation in berlin on friday - 45 minutes 11:43 irmaB kf what are you working on? 11:42 irmaB danke kf 11:42 irmaB so that is fun :-) 11:42 irmaB but re Koha work ..slowly upgrading our clients to 3.2 and planning training 11:41 kf oh, das tut mir leid - ich hoffe es geht dir bald besser 11:41 irmaB Rückenschmerzen ..sehr langweilig und unangenehm 11:38 irmaB es geht mir langsam besser 11:34 kf ja Irma danke - und dir? 11:32 irmaB Hi kf ... Gehts gut? 11:17 kf cool :) 11:15 magnus kf: yep 11:14 kf (correct?) 11:14 kf god morgen magnus 11:14 magnus hiya kf 11:14 kf hi #koha 11:12 irmaB back again... 11:11 magnus koha seems like a fast moving target for a printed book... 11:10 magnus yeah 11:10 irmaB did you see Savitra Sirohi's Koha book 11:09 irmaB a lot happening on the Koha planet at the moment 11:08 irmaB had accupuncture and seems to have helped 11:08 magnus that was probably not a fun flight, then... 11:07 irmaB ackward space to twist 11:07 magnus aouch 11:07 irmaB too heavy! 11:07 irmaB lifted a cabin bag into the overhead locker and regretted it 2 seconds later 11:06 irmaB recovering slowwwly from acute lower back pain :( 11:06 magnus i'm fine irmaB, starting to normalize after the jetlag... and you? 11:05 irmaB How are U? 11:05 irmaB Hi magnus 10:48 magnus hiya irmaB 10:25 kmkale bbl 10:19 wasabi yes, that part is even crazier than the virus! 10:17 hdl indeed. 10:16 magnus hm, nuclear plants running windows - not reassuring... 10:08 wasabi … thats the craziest malware story yet 10:06 wasabi http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/stuxnet-clues/ 10:00 hdl chris ok. I got it. 09:49 chris none of which (apart from the reports branch) are signed off 09:47 chris do you want me to put them all in tomorrow? .. there is a lot to look at 09:47 chris i cant win 09:47 chris wow 09:46 hdl chris: ok But this was the very little branch 09:43 chris http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-November/012870.html 09:42 chris few little things to fix then that can be merged to master 09:41 chris meanwhile, did you see http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/biblibre_reports and the feedback on it? 09:39 chris everyones is 09:39 chris of course it is 09:39 hdl I want our work to be considered. that's all. 09:35 * chris is unsure what you want from e 09:35 chris do you want me to guarantee your work will go in, without even looking at? 09:33 chris it still has to pass qa too 09:33 chris theres stuff in harley that has been done much before 09:33 chris everyone has to pass qa 09:33 chris that doesnt mean anything 09:32 chris so does his 09:32 hdl And our has been done much before. 09:32 chris yes 09:32 hdl And our has to pass QA. 09:32 hdl But clay dev is one patch. 09:32 hdl yes chris. 09:29 chris and there is nothing i can do about it either, except look at them both once they have both been through QA and test them and pick one implementation 09:27 chris yes, its not the first time and it wont be the last, if people dont look at what others are doing it will happen 09:24 hdl so this is duplicated effort. 09:23 hdl And Clay is doing some work on that. 09:23 hdl chris: C4::IssuingRules.pm is already commited in our circ branch. 08:30 chris so just batting practice now 08:29 chris i think they came to same conclusion you did, india wouldnt go for it 08:29 kmkale chris: why no declaration? 08:14 ivanc hiya magnus 08:14 kmkale hi magnus 08:13 chris hiya magnus 08:13 magnus hiya hdl, ivanc, wasabi, kmkale & chris! 08:12 kmkale NZ have great fielding which has greatly helped in this series IMHO 08:07 wasabi heya ivan 08:06 ivanc hi #koha 08:01 laurenthd hi 07:57 chris i thought we would have lost both tests by now 07:56 chris cricket is mind games :) 07:56 chris we set you a target, and you didnt back yourselves to get it :) 07:56 chris yes, but thats a psychological win for nz 07:54 kmkale I dont think India will go for the target though 07:54 chris with about 38 overs 07:54 kmkale chris : That will be fun 07:53 chris i think now mccullum has his 200, we will declare at 300 07:53 chris kmkale: think we will declare soon? or bat for the draw? 07:45 kmkale Thanks fredericd 07:45 kmkale back. 07:45 magnus a persons gotta do what a persons gotta do etc... 07:44 brendan heh - seems like I'm doing that a lot more lately 07:44 magnus hi brendan! burning the midnight oil? 07:43 brendan hey magnus 07:31 magnus ata marie, #koha 07:23 kmkale brb 07:17 kmkale plausible. humm 07:17 chris sounds like you branched from 4440 yes, so that it is plausible 07:12 cait ok, time to go - bye :) 07:12 cait showing kohacon photos today - looks like a lot of fun and not much work - everybody seems to be smiling most of the time :) 07:12 kmkale that I was tracking the 4440 branch? 07:11 kmkale I am pretty sure that I did it from where I got the 4440 branch yesterday. So could that be it? 07:11 cait hi chris :) nice photo! 07:11 kmkale oohh. Thanks chris. 07:10 chris so i always add the name, so that i make sure im fetching from the right remote 07:10 chris for eg i have catalyst, kc, fbc, biblibre etc 07:10 chris s/checking/tracking/ 07:10 chris git fetch origin is just the full way of saying it, but you may have more than one branch, if you git fetch it will fetch from the remote that branch is checking 07:09 kmkale ok lets try that. Just for my understanding whats the diference between git fetch and git fetch origin? 07:09 chris because you are checking out a branch that is up to date 07:08 chris if you do the fetch first there is no need to rebase 07:08 chris git checkout -b new_branch_name origin/master 07:08 kmkale on vpmbarcodes? nope. nothing touched yet. 07:08 chris is git fetch origin 07:07 chris what i would do 07:07 chris there must be local changes on that branch 07:07 kmkale didn't I say I was innocent? 07:06 chris hmm if you did that, then a rebase should do nothing 07:05 kmkale git checkout -b vpmbarcodes origin 07:04 chris how did you create your new branch? 07:04 kmkale brb 07:04 kmkale I was just trying to move on to some other work from the fee receipt one. so created a new branch and did a fet and rebase. Lo that paste was the result. 07:03 kmkale :)) 07:03 kmkale cait chris I had nothing to do with this. I am innocent ;) 07:01 chris its a hard life when you have to travel to places like that :) 07:00 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5180907836/ 07:00 chris http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#resolving-a-merge 06:56 cait you can see the file where the problem is with git status - search for <<< in the file 06:55 cait you have a merge conflict 06:09 kmkale any idea if its a problem on my side or womething wrong with that patch? 06:07 pastebot "kmkale" at 59.181.126.113 pasted "Problem while doing on a new branch git rebase origin/master" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/99 05:41 kmkale :) 05:37 cait or will be 05:37 cait glad to see that it's now in koha :) 05:37 cait I wrote that down on my 'missing' list a long time ago 05:36 kmkale :) It should go through now with fredericd's blessings 05:32 cait looking forward to fee receipt printing :) 05:32 cait hi kmkale :) 05:31 kmkale hi cait 05:11 kmkale hi Amit 05:11 Amit heya kmkale 05:04 kmkale chris around? 05:03 kmkale hi all 04:21 Brooke better stretch and sleep or Ima hurt like a wee prissy girl 04:21 Brooke uh oh, adrenaline nearly gone, lactic acid not so much. 04:10 Brooke ahoy! 02:48 * chris_n puts it on the shelf for another X months and heads to bed 02:47 chris_n well, here it is for posterity's sake: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-chris_n.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/Win32-wip 02:42 Brooke well pfft, this is emptier than Church. 02:37 Brooke list quote 02:37 munin Brooke: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "256" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. 02:37 Brooke @quote 256 02:36 munin Brooke: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) 02:36 Brooke @quote random 02:36 munin Brooke: Error: "quote" is not a valid command. 02:36 Brooke @quote 02:30 Brooke back 02:29 Brooke brb apparently the ladies say I've blue no mah face. 02:29 Brooke swashbuckling yaarrr 02:29 rhcl Like, fencing to keep the cattle in the pasture, or the sword fighting type? 02:28 Brooke so alas, more spice is in the future. 02:28 Brooke well, I have returned from fencing 02:28 Brooke he he 02:27 rhcl Brooke, why don't we see more of you around here? You add a little bit of, ah, "spice" to the channel. 02:26 Brooke :D 02:11 chris_n yup, win32 perl attempts to emulate fork() with some limitations/threading dangers 01:58 * chris_n suspects it may have to do with spawing off of the child process 01:54 chris_n the web importer pages in the high millions, while the cli script pages in the low thousands 01:53 chris_n heh 01:53 robin oh wait, win32 :( 01:53 robin You should find the kernel talking to you in dmesg/syslog if it's OOMing 01:53 cfouts oh. that sounds like a different problem if it's thrashing 01:52 chris_n that could be; it pages dramatically and then it appears that the kernel cuts off its resources and the perl instance crashes 01:52 robin err, what cfouts said :) 01:52 robin could be an apache timeout/request too large or something along those lines 01:50 cfouts chris_n: web servers are often configured to accept a limited amount of incoming data. could be that the input to larger than that threshold and the backgrounder functionality isn't handling that properly 01:49 * chris_n seems to remember complaints in general about large imports and the web importer 01:48 chris_n the web import crashes, but bulkmarcimport.pl works fine and fast 01:48 chris_n interesting 01:34 robin try win64, it's twice as big! 01:26 chris_n win32-- 01:26 chris_n oooo... perl crashes on large marc imports on win32