Time Nick Message 22:27 chris_n I think paul split it accidentally 22:19 hdl thanks robin 22:19 hdl because? 22:18 robin splitter! 22:17 chris did i split it? 22:15 * chris_n bemoans the fact that the policy thread has been split now :-( 21:49 munin robin: The operation succeeded. 21:49 robin @later tell hdl had a look around but couldn't see any 21:41 robin hdl: yep 21:41 hdl robin: around ? 21:18 chris hi rms 21:17 rms . 20:52 schuster by all! 20:29 reva Hi chris, it looks like I cannot install some dependencies when I ran the git clone command. They were liberror-perl and lib-digest. I did go ahead and download Koha using the link on the command line but the cpan (long) commnd came up with "Make failed". Any idea why? 20:28 briceSanc i want to translate the content of a placeholder="" in a input type text, do you know if i can do it with a .po 20:27 briceSanc hello all 20:17 mib_mike Thanks again, chris. 20:13 nengard passing wifi to bengard - will be back later 20:11 chris then i just have a list of ones i have to reply to when i get back to my computer ;) 20:11 chris and archive the ones i dont 20:11 chris well you dont need to reply, i just mark the ones i need to reply to 20:11 nengard brendan vaca goes well - doing the spa and the wineries today 20:10 nengard don't like reading emails on phone cause i like to be wordy in my replies :) 20:10 chris will kill some time :) 20:10 chris nengard: sync it all to your phone, and read it on the plane 20:02 brendan how goes vaca? 20:02 nengard morning 20:01 brendan heya nengard 19:57 chris you sure are 19:56 nengard when i get home i'm going to have a LOT of email reading to do! 19:54 chris but it isnt mandatory 19:54 chris you can make a ACQ framework, which is a cut down framework, for use just with acquisitions 19:54 chris its not i meant 19:54 chris mib_mike: no, it the cause of the error 19:54 nengard hiya ;) 19:53 nengard hiya hiay 19:53 chris hi nengard 19:46 mib_mike What's an ACQ framework? Is the use of default framework the cause of the Error? 19:46 mib_mike Also saw warning "No ACQ framework, using default. You should create a framework with code ACQ, the items framework would be used" 19:45 mib_mike Just upgraded to 3.2 Getting this error on new order in basket Mandatory parameter budget_id missing at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Acquisition.pm line 903. 19:45 schuster so do I need to start chanting or sending vibes or... Oh great wasabi... 19:42 chris if wasabi submits a patch based on master for it, it will go in 19:42 chris the 5 star ratings? 19:42 schuster Or has it already been pulled? 19:42 schuster http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4261 - will that be included in 3.4? 19:42 schuster During Kohacon10 There was discussion about the ranking system - from the High school that is using Koha 19:39 owen CGI236: Did you get your authentication issues figured out? 19:31 CGI236 ? 19:31 CGI236 how to add new users from LDAP active directory to Koha database 19:18 chris back 19:17 richard hi 19:10 CGI236 http://www.mhsoftware.com/caldemo/manual/en/470.htm existe alternative method?? 19:04 chris Ok my stop bbiab 18:56 chris First day in weeks I don't have kohacon stuff to do 18:55 chris Gonna be weird at work today 18:37 mib_mike try this: http://www.mhsoftware.com/caldemo/manual/en/470.htm 18:36 CGI236 and this http://www.visualwin.com/New-User-AD/ 18:36 CGI236 to configure active directory I use this forum http://www.visualwin.com/AD-Controller/ 18:35 mib_mike No clue, sorry. I'm a Unix guy. 18:34 CGI236 and how to configure active directory to listen to LDAP? 18:33 mib_mike Sorry I couldn't be more help. 18:33 mib_mike You might do better in an Active Directory support forum. 18:32 mib_mike Not particularly helpful, I suspect your Active Directory is not properly configured to "listen" to LDAP. 18:32 mib_mike O.K. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v2r1/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.IBMDS.doc_5.2%2Fadmin_gd368.htm 18:29 CGI236 error 91 can't connect to the ldap server 18:28 mib_mike Sorry, I don't know what that is. 18:28 CGI236 i connect without error to Unizeto CERTUM 18:28 mib_mike Yes. The ldap-browser is a client to examine your "directory". You should be able to see better error messages when using it to connect to Active Directory. 18:25 CGI236 install ldap-browser.exe in Windows?? 18:24 mib_mike See if you can connect to your Active Directory with http://download.cnet.com/LDAP-Browser/3000-2085_4-10072421.html 18:24 chris mib_mike: it does 18:23 CGI236 Tuesday, April 8, 2008 : It is a big news for all Koha lovers that now (using Koha 3) it can be linked with your LDAP and Active Directory via the Auth_with_ldap module.... 18:22 CGI236 "invalid username and password" 18:22 mib_mike If someone else can confirm that koha uses the LDAP interface of Active Directory, I'd suggest you start with accessing Active Directory from a more transparent LDAP client. 18:21 CGI236 when trying to log the user interface receiving error 18:20 mib_mike I haven't setup Active Directory in Koha, but from my experience in other areas, what Active Directory thought of as the username and what I thought of as the username were two different things. 18:20 CGI236 I am a begining 18:20 CGI236 i don't know how to authenticate against Active Directory with an LDAP client 18:19 CGI236 no 18:18 mib_mike CGI236 Have you tried to authenticate against Active Directory with an LDAP client? 18:18 CGI236 http://ip_address 18:18 CGI236 username and password" 18:18 CGI236 with this user on Koha http://ip_address:8080 received "invalid 18:18 CGI236 domain where I created a user in this domain and want when I login 18:18 CGI236 I installed Active Directory in Windows Server 2003 I created a 18:18 CGI236 2. Windows Server 2003 18:18 CGI236 1. Configured virtual Koha apliance 3.02 18:17 CGI236 I installed in VMware: 18:17 CGI236 invalid user name and apassword 18:16 mib_mike CGI236 Can you be more specific? Have you read the documentation? What error messages are you getting? 18:15 owen CGI236: If no one has answered your question, it is possible that no one knows the answer 18:15 CGI236 ??????? 18:15 CGI236 authenticate Koha with Active Directory 18:15 CGI236 how to 18:12 mib_mike O.K. chris thanks a lot. 18:12 CGI236 authenticate Koha with Active Directory 18:12 CGI236 how to 18:12 chris if i were going to purge those tables, i would dump them first and save that somewhere 18:11 mib_mike I know the name of that tune. 18:11 * chris speaks from experience 18:11 chris nope, you could run some sql to do it if you wanted ... but disk is cheap .. cheaper than someone asking you for that record back 2 hours after you just deleted it :) 18:10 mib_mike Is there any facility to empty the deleted tables to save space? 18:10 chris :) 18:09 chris its somewhere on my list of things to do 18:09 chris wouldnt be too hard to bring it back 18:09 chris when the catalogue maintenance module got broked 18:09 chris round 2.2 18:09 owen Hi chris. Did the undelete disappear when MARC arrived? I don't remember it 18:08 mib_mike Thanks, chris 18:08 chris but even without it, at least you can get them back from the db 18:08 chris there was 18:08 mib_mike So there is an "undelete" function somewhere? 18:08 chris and then ask for you to get them back 18:07 chris thats because often when people delete things, they delete the wrong things 18:07 chris you mean tables mib_mike ? 18:07 mib_mike Can anyone explain to me the reasons for the "deletedxxx" databases? 18:05 owen Hello CGI586111, do you have a question about Koha? 18:00 owen Hello CGI586, do you have a question about Koha? 17:51 reva12 ok, it is now doing it. 17:51 reva12 I see I have missed the o in community; I have a sticky keyboard, honest. 17:48 mib_mike reva12 did you set up a static IP or a dhcp client to get your ip number? 17:47 jcamins If you are, the problem is that there's something wrong with your internet connection. 17:47 jcamins reva12: make sure you're spelling it right. 17:46 reva12 Now I tried this: wget http://download.koha-cmmunity.org/koha-3.02.00.tar.gz, it says: unable to resolve download.koha-community.org. 17:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5301' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae6ae0b39ddaff68d33a488a1ce2a3c5b2091efc> / bug 5301: improve escaping of XML characters in bib output <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f88f88dcc58f984f416c160a7a881077169fc8e5> 17:39 reva12 so let me download it directly and see if I can do the rest of the install. 17:38 reva12 even liberror-perl was not installable, according to the message. 17:37 jcamins No idea. 17:37 reva12 We are on British English, could that be? Of course I have no idea what a module on encryption have to do with Antigua and Barbuda downlaods. 17:37 jcamins Yeah. 17:36 reva12 Ok, encryption. has it to do with my end of things, I mean if it worked for you. And you also had lenny 5.0.6? 17:36 jcamins I wouldn't have thought there would be a problem in Antigua and Barbuda, but what do I know about these things? ;) 17:35 jcamins Something to do with encryption. 17:35 jcamins reva12: yes, but the module that didn't work is libdigest-sha1-perl. 17:35 reva12 jcamins: if you are addressing the last two comments to me, it seems to be a perl error module. But you would know best. 17:32 jcamins I noticed what failed is packages for encryption. 17:31 jcamins Maybe the problem is export restrictions? 17:31 reva12 Thanks jcamins. I can try installing the 3.2 Live CD I just downloaded. But I was hoping to learn something. 17:29 reva12 When I try the next command: git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git koha, it says git command not found. So it looks like it did not install any of the basic git files. 17:26 reva12 Ok, I will try the Debian forum also. 17:26 reva12 It said "Could not install some packages" maybe the other git files for which the dependencies are there were installed. So I can try going to the next command and see. 17:24 jcamins I would see if there's some sort of Debian forum you could ask for advice on. 17:24 jcamins This is a Debian question. 17:24 jcamins As I said, when I installed Debian, it just worked for me. 17:24 jcamins I have no idea. 17:23 reva12 So what could be the problem? 17:23 jcamins At least, that would be my guess. 17:22 jcamins The thing is, if you can't install git, you probably can't install other required packages. 17:22 reva12 ok, I see I use the command line to extract it. (But it still is puzzling about the git) 17:22 jcamins It's worth a try, though. 17:21 jcamins But I don't think this is going to solve your problems. 17:21 jcamins tar zxvf $file 17:20 reva12 I can just download the tar.gz from inside here. But is there an extractor in Debian? 17:18 reva12 No, I just let it install the desktop and standard windows and it went through with no complaints. I can log in fine. 17:18 jcamins Okay, just checking that wasn't the problem. 17:17 reva12 you see jcamins, I am now reva12 from the debian 17:17 jcamins Try: apt-get install liberror-perl libdigest-sha1-perl 17:16 jcamins Hm. 17:15 reva Yes; I have a working internet connection. 17:15 reva Yes, i know. And the installation went fine for the Debian itself. 17:15 jcamins reva: do you have a working internet connection on your Virtual machine? 17:15 jcamins Wait. 17:15 jcamins You still haven't managed to even install git. 17:15 jcamins reva: the problem here is with your installation of Debian. 17:15 reva I meant jcamins, of course. 17:14 reva is your git repository uptodat or has there been anything removed from there recently since you tried the installation, jcamin? 17:14 mib_mike Can anyone explain to me the reasons for the "deletedxxx" databases? 17:14 mib_mike O.K. I guess I can look at the existing delete code and roll my own. 17:13 reva Ok, I will.for the upgrade command I get 0 upgraded and 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.And I get the same errors about unment dependencies. 17:13 jcamins I don't think so, no. 17:13 mib_mike Excellent. There isn't a "mass delete" though, is there? 17:12 jcamins You have to delete all the items first. 17:12 jcamins mib_mike: yes. In the staff client, find the record, then click the "Edit" button and "Delete Record." 17:12 mib_mike Is there a method in koha to delete a bibrecord? 17:12 jcamins You don't have to have it run all the upgrades, I'm just curious what it will tell you. 17:11 mib_mike Hi guys 17:11 jcamins Try running this command for me: apt-get upgrade && apt-get install git-core git-email 17:10 reva jcamins, I suppose I could use the tar.gz version and unpack it; but I wanted to do it all through debian. 17:09 jcamins That's very strange... this worked without any problems for me. 17:08 reva I am running the debian the stable version 5.06 17:08 reva Infact, apt-get update fetched 181kb of all the security, volatile. 17:07 jcamins What version of Debian did you install? 17:07 reva Yes, that went fine (after I removed the sudo, as I am logged in as root.) 17:06 jcamins And you ran apt-get update? 17:05 reva Exactly that is all as far as I got. I am just trying to download koha through the git repository. 17:05 reva the first unmet dependency is supposed to be liberror-perl, not kiberror-perl. 17:04 jcamins reva: and all you have done on this system is step 1.1 and 1.2 from the instructions? 17:03 reva jcamins: the first command to get Koha apt-get install git-core git-email, these are the unmet dependencies kiberror-perl but it is not installable; libdigest-shal-perl but it is not installable; Recommends: rsync, but it is not installable. E: Broken packages. I have reproduced the error exactly. 17:00 jcamins *What* unmet dependencies? 17:00 jcamins reva: you will need to describe the errors you get in more detail if you want help solving them. 16:59 reva that last line with the smiley was this command. I think it is because it has double slashes, your chat interpreter thought it was a smiley. 16:58 reva After that git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git koha debian says git command not found. 16:57 reva gmcharlt, when I run this command apt-get install git-core git-email it said that some packages had unmet dependencies and gave the names of the perl modules that are not there in the library. 16:56 cait good night all 16:56 cait going to bed 16:56 cait suitcase still not found :( 16:48 reva Thanks:) 16:48 reva I removed the sudo (this debian does not like sudo at all) since I am already logged in as root. that seems to have done it now 16:48 jcamins reva: if you have already su-ed to root, take out the sudo. 16:46 reva I am following the instructions here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian 16:45 reva I meant I am keying the command in, gmcharlt 16:45 reva no I am copuying. But the line looks funny as given towards the end. I cannot paste, as my clipboard is not integrated in the virtual box. (I have not run the guest additons.) 16:42 gmcharlt reva: what are you pasting, exactly? 16:38 reva Hi I am on the line where I get the key for Index Data. I copied the command exactly as shown; but it is saying cannot write broken pipe. (I have already sudo (actuall su for me) to the root user. Is the command syntax at the end correct? 16:24 reva hi again, is the 830 (series entry added) display in 3.2. When I used it in 3.0.6, along with the 490 (series statement) it did not display. So had to use the obsolete 440 tag so that I can show the series title. 15:52 eternalsw I'm running build_browser_and_cloud and it says it inserts 2 records, but I check the browser table and it's empty. I am running the mysql database on a different machine. KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB are both set properly. Any ideas? 15:42 chris_n jcamins: yes, RFC101 would be nice 15:23 jcamins It would be nice if it were easier to figure out what to do with RFCs. 15:22 * chris_n hopes this discussion will see good participation *and* be brought to a conclusion 15:21 chris_n jcamins: that is a good understanding and one we all should have and probably stand in need of being reminded of on occasion :-) 15:20 owen I think in the past we've depended on the common sense of the RM more than anything 15:19 jcamins chris_n: ah. Well, I understood that my code wasn't guaranteed a place in master unless it was good. 15:19 schuster hmmm thunder here - hope the UPS's are ready to keep charge! 15:18 schuster With the java snippet we are using to create the location limit we think we can also add a link back to the virtual view - it's crude, but works. 15:18 chris_n jcamins: well... I think a qualified 'yes' is the answer, but a very clear, written restatement will serve to bring about a clearer accountability to that policy 15:17 schuster This had stalled a bit we had many other things going on - and the attribution piece had me stuck until I could figure out a way to do it. 15:17 schuster Interesting idea! I could possibly have an about page for each of the visual page that pretty much mimics the current one with the Attribution under the picture. Have to play with that and get some feedback... 15:15 schuster Provide attribution! 15:15 owen schuster: Koha at large uses the "about" page to provide attribution. You might consider setting up a page you can link to 15:15 schuster I'm going to try and get what I have completed up for you to take a peek at and give some feedback on making it better. We've built some java around it so that we can get to the local holdings display we are using currently to limit by location. Sorry - as a Librarian we are all about doing it right. 15:14 owen schuster: No I haven't. And "provide attribution" shouldn't be said it quotes, it should be said in a straightforward manner: Provide attribution! 15:14 jcamins chris_n: don't we already have a policy that only code that people agree is a good idea gets included in master? 15:14 jcamins chris_n++ # good ideas 15:13 schuster owen - in your designing process - have you used much creative commons? I'm trying to think of the best way to "provide attribution" for the photos I want to use with the kids search. 15:03 owen markk: It probably messed with your apache virtualhosts 15:02 markk guys .. does anyone know why installing phpmyadmin via synaptic breaks the connection to koha? it autoconfigured the apache and couldn't access the opac nor the staff page!! redid the steps in the INSTALL file about apache configuration but didn't succeed!! 14:53 owen schuster: It will only impact the current opac design if someone decides to redesign the opac. No one has indicated plans to do so. 14:52 jcamins schuster: chris has a script that will translate the current template system into Template::Toolkit. 14:52 janPasi Hi #koha! 14:52 schuster How will that impact the current opac layout design? I'm still playing with the "visual search" with the canned search options, but don't want to get too far into that and find out it won't work with 3.4+ 14:51 schuster owen - I have a question about the new "template::toolkit" 14:51 schuster Something I need to work on with my "play" system, but haven't had time. 14:50 schuster Good test though of the "public" upgrade option. 14:50 schuster I've done that with upgrades of 3.0x - but I am not sure about the transfer from 3.0x - 3.2. 14:32 jcamins I've never done it either, but I think that's what I'd try. 14:32 jcamins I think so. 14:31 owen So: Install 3.2, import the old database, run web installer? 14:31 owen I don't know, I've never done it. 14:30 jcamins owen: wouldn't it work to just import the database, then run the web installer? 14:27 owen I would think it would be easier to install 3.0.x on the new system, import the old database, and then upgrade? 14:09 reva Ok, so I am not to use the package manager, I see. Will follow instructions. After all it is in Virtual Box and I can learn. Also, is there a link for the commands for backup/export and reimport (into an upgraded Koha) all the bib and item records? 14:08 jcamins reva: if you follow the instructions, you will end up with a working Koha installation. 14:08 owen reva: I would also suggest following the installation instructions 14:07 reva jcamins, I thought I could first install what the package manager can do, and then use cpan as instructed for the rest. 14:06 jcamins reva: I would suggest following the installation instructions. 14:05 reva Can anyone tell me which perl modules I should pick to install? I am using the synaptic package manager. 14:02 reva In my Virtual Box install, debian boots; but there is a message saying kernel failure. But everything seems to be working fine. Anyone what that could be? 14:01 ivanc :) 14:01 cait so, it could be worse. 14:01 cait ivanc: at least I am here in time :) 14:01 ivanc hi cait, I'm sorry to read as above ... 14:00 reva sorry jcamin. Did not mean to preempt Koha-Community site.:) 14:00 bigbrovar jcamins: awesome 14:00 jcamins bigbrovar: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:00 reva bigbrovar, go to http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ for a Live CD of 3.2. He has all the modules compiled and for me it is painless. 13:59 jcamins bigbrovar: http://debian.koha-community.org/ 13:59 jcamins I will find the link for you, if someone else doesn't first. 13:59 jcamins bigbrovar: there is indeed a package. 13:58 bigbrovar Thanks. is there a debian package somewhere I can use or do I have to compile from source? and which debian release is recommended 13:58 reva Also, I am trying out installing 3.2 from scratch in Virtual Box. I have used the synaptic package manager and installed mysql server and apache 2 http server. When I do a search for Perl module too many listings come up. Do I pick them all to install? If not which ones do I select? 13:58 owen bigbrovar: Libraries have been using 3.2 since even before the official release 13:57 jcamins bigbrovar: I would think that 3.2 is worth the upgrade. It will be updated for much longer than 3.0. 13:57 bigbrovar is 3.2.0 really worth the upgrade? or do I stick to 3.0.6? is it stable enough for production deployment? the idea was to use 3.2.0 for our koha system but I was using 3.0.6 to get a hand on things which I think I have been able to do. 13:53 bigbrovar Hi guys I setup koha 3.0.6 on our school with the aim of getting a hang on koha, marc and LMS generally. I have been able to setup a working koha system now and succesfully migrated 90% of our catalog records into koha. With the release of version 3.2.0 I am considering tiring down all I have done (I have our catalog in marc backed up btw) and setting up a new koha based on 3.2 and on debian (the current 3.06 is running on ubuntu 8.04) 13:53 reva There is a Koha 3.2 Live CD out and I am hoping to install it and transfer our bib and item records into it. Could anyone point me to a link where there are instructions (command line is fine) for the backup/export and import records into the upgraded version? 13:51 cait and go to the city and buy new things is not an option, bcause of my size :( 13:51 jcamins That's too bad. 13:51 cait nope 13:51 cait noe 13:51 jcamins Do you know anyone who wears the same size clothes you do? 13:51 * owen knows jcamins' 2AM comment to be true from experience 13:50 cait and a library visiting for a presentation on friday 13:50 reva Ok. Thanks cait.(FYI, the .sav ones do not even stage; but the other extensions do fine.) 13:50 jcamins Oh no! 13:50 cait jcamins: that's the problem - near to all my clothes are in there and I have a presentation on thursday :( 13:49 jcamins And not tell you that it'll be delivered at 2 in the morning and then decide not to deliver it after all. 13:49 cait reva: I think you can ignore the file endings, they are not really correct 13:49 reva I do not know what MARc blog files are. These come from various online catalogs where they let you save them as Raw MARC. 13:49 jcamins If you're lucky they'll even do that within a few days. 13:49 jcamins cait: I'm sure they'll find your luggage and send it to you. 13:48 reva Because some of them are .cgi and some .do. 13:48 gmcharlt if the files are all actually MARC blog files, you can just put them all together 13:48 reva Thanks, gmcharlt. I know to catanate. But do I have to con catanate and pipe the files by file types? 13:48 cait I had a feeling it had been to smooth until then :( 13:47 cait the travel back was very good, until I arrived in zürich at baggage claim 13:47 cait yep, nz was awesome 13:47 jcamins I already know that NZ was awesome. 13:47 jcamins I mean, travel-wise. 13:47 jcamins cait: how was your trip? 13:46 gmcharlt reva: if you have access to a linux server, you can use the cat command to put them together 13:45 cait hi jcamins and thx :) 13:44 reva I mean stage and import them in batches. 13:43 reva But I have to save and import each record by itself. Is there a way to append the different file types together and do them in batches? 13:42 reva hi good morning. I have a couple of questions regarding import/export. When I save bib records from online catalogs, they have different file extensions: .cgi, .do and even .txt (this .txt is a little different as it is eye-readable only partially). Koha imports them fine and the records are proper good ones. 13:39 jcamins Welcome back to Germany. ;) 13:39 jcamins You made it back to Germany! 13:39 jcamins cait! 13:38 kmkale bye all 13:23 * cait wishes she was still in NZ 13:18 cait :( 13:17 cait TRACING CONTINUES. PLEASE CHECK BACK LATER 13:15 cait yep, but they gave me a number and a link - hope to get information about suitcase 13:15 owen Then you're in the wrong place :) 13:13 cait sorry, I am sooo tired and need a shower 13:12 cait I have a number I can call later 13:12 cait I have no idea 13:12 owen On its way, I hope? 13:11 cait :( 13:11 cait but suitcase not 13:11 cait yep 13:11 owen Hi cait, back home? 13:03 owen Looks like that's scheduled for jqueryUI version 1.9, and they're on 1.8.5 now. That's good news for us. 13:02 owen Check out the ipod-style menu w/breadcrumb 13:02 owen I think this is really nifty, an upcoming feature in jqueryUI: http://jquery-ui.googlecode.com/svn/branches/labs/fg-menu/index.html 12:50 jcamins That's nifty! 12:50 jcamins Wow! 12:50 owen http://jqueryui.com/demos/effect/ 12:50 jcamins "explode" effect? 12:49 * owen starts looking for where in Koha we can use JqueryUI's "explode" effect... 12:44 owen chris_n: Maybe I spoke to soon about the CDN. I wasn't considering the JqueryUI dependencies. 12:40 jcamins Ah. 12:40 owen The YUI grid system is all CSS. jquery is all javascript. So there's no functional intersection 12:39 jcamins owen: what does the YUI grid offer that jquery (or other things) do not? 12:37 markk owen: yep 12:37 owen markk: Are you clicking in the barcode field to populate it? 12:36 chris_n owen: if we keep any aspect of yui, however, such a mechanism would be nice for times when the source was unavailable for whatever reason 12:36 owen I don't think we need to provide an external source. 12:35 owen I think the most we can expect for jquery is a CDN source for the core jquery library, and that's tiny 12:35 markk seems like the kohalivecd have a problem with barcode auto-increment .. i tried it in koha 3.0.6 that i installed on ubuntu 8.04 hardy heron and it works perfectly!! 12:35 chris_n owen: what do you think about my suggestion regarding a fail over mechanism if we keep the external source option? 12:34 owen However, I think we should still stick with the YUI grid 12:34 owen The alternative, upgrading YUI, would probably be harder 12:34 chris_n this is one bandwagon you want to be on jcamins... believe me 12:34 jcamins I don't know anything about it, but it sounds like a good thing. 12:34 chris_n ditch_yui++ # /me jumps on the bandwagon 12:30 owen No 12:30 markk is it from the kohalivecd ? 12:29 owen 10.04 LTS (via VirtualBox) 12:29 owen Ubuntu 12:25 markk on what platform are you running koha? 12:24 owen AFAIK 12:24 owen The plugin script generates the next value, and Javascript populates the form field 12:24 owen I don't think anything happens in mysql 12:23 markk mmmm so should the issue reside in the mysql configuration? should the mysql auto-increment the value or the "barcodesGenerator.pl"/ "additem.pl" ? 12:21 owen The second one I added got "APL10111001" 12:21 owen The first item I added got the barcode "APL10110001" 12:20 owen markk: I just tested adding items in 3.0.x with autobarcode set to hbyymmincr 12:16 kmkale hi jcamins 12:16 jcamins Hello. 12:16 kmkale hi all 12:15 markk in 3.2 it just add it 12:15 markk in 3.0.6 it give an error about duplicate barcode 12:14 markk it appears in the text box, but if i already added an item with barcode 1, the new one takes 1 as well as its barcode 12:13 markk and test it in 3.2 with hbyymmincr and 1-2-3 12:13 owen markk: So when you're populating the "add item" form the auto-incremented barcode doesn't appear in the barcode field when you click it? 12:13 markk in 3.0.6 12:13 markk yes i set it to hbyymmincr 12:13 jcamins markk: there's a syspref to enable auto-increment. 12:13 markk not incrementing while adding new item to be more specific 12:12 markk owen, jcamins : do you have any idea about the auto-increment of the barcode behaving weirdly? 12:08 owen paul_p++ # for suggesting we ditch YUI 12:05 markk good morning jcamins 12:05 jcamins Good morning, #koha 12:01 markk in 3.2 there's another weird thing happening ... if i add the barcode to an item and save, a box appears above with the items in it ... in the column entitled <Total Holds> it contains THE barcode! is it normal ? plus the barcode number doesn't increment upon adding a new item too !! 11:54 wasabi nice one ;) 11:51 markk i have a 3.2 in virtual .. i'll give it a try 11:50 wasabi np, try upgrading to 3.2 , see if the problem remains 11:49 markk :) 10x for ur help 11:49 wasabi hmm, pass then 11:48 wasabi http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL 11:45 markk its set to hbyymmincr 11:45 wasabi http://www.randombugs.com/linux/mysql-postgresql-benchmarks.html 11:45 wasabi is it set to auto-incr, etc… 11:44 wasabi markk: depends on your barcode syspref, 11:23 markk i'm a little confused about the Barcode in koha ... should it auto-increment right as stated? bcuz when i add an item it gives me the same barcode starting with 1 and it doesn't increment!! in this case i get an error that the barcode is already in use!! should i edit it manually every time i insert a new item? 11:19 markk good morning all 07:55 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5192 Enhancement to add new index for 658 curriculum field <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=433b77b750a155f50d9db4a2e6c9fdf4be6ed169> 07:26 ivanc good morning #koha 04:36 Genji hmm... someone turned off the router? 04:32 Genji same office yet you comm over Irc? 04:26 chris ahh, well i will have to go, or i will get in trouble with my wife .. is someone there to lock up for you? 04:26 paul_p chris, me yes, hdl not yet, needs a few mn 04:26 brendan hi amit 04:26 Amit heya brendan 04:26 brendan later all have a good night 04:25 chris ok, time to head out, paul_p and hdl you ready? 04:25 brendan evening 04:08 wasabi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=summary 04:08 wasabi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw 03:49 wasabi http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=847327 03:38 chris ahhh 03:38 ronald still preparing my report for my boss 03:37 ronald yap 03:37 chris made it back home safe :) 03:37 ronald am back in the solomons 03:37 ronald hi 03:37 chris hi ronald 03:28 robin bye 03:28 jcamins Good night, #koha 03:28 jcamins Okay, time for some sleep. 03:16 robin hello 03:16 Amit heya robin 03:15 robin given I squash them before I upstream anyway, the pair vanish 03:14 robin although I'd usually just revert 03:14 robin that's also an option :) 03:14 jcamins Actually, better idea: I'll cherry-pick the patches I want into a new branch. 03:14 robin yep 03:14 jcamins Will it work for patches in the middle of the history? 03:13 robin it applies a reverse patch 03:13 robin jcamins: revert? 03:13 jcamins Is there any way to remove patches from a branch? 03:07 jcamins chris++ 03:07 jcamins Yay! 03:03 * chris has nearly caught up on the patches from the last few days 03:03 chris 2 branches waiting for colin to do QA on now 03:03 jcamins The indent is messed up on this patch. Do I need to resend? 03:02 jcamins Hm. 03:02 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5243: avoid crash when saving authority records on certain setups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bd16d23b24d734afa97a047ec66884915544663> 03:01 robin yep 03:01 robin it's a hint to the patch system 03:01 jcamins I can ignore it then? 03:01 jcamins Okay. 03:01 robin it just means that there's no newline at the end of the file 03:01 robin jcamins: that's fine 02:59 jcamins There's a line "\ No newline at end of file" 02:58 jcamins My patch is corrupted, and I can't figure out why. 02:49 jcamins If you change something and hit "Save," it refreshes to the wrong screen. 02:48 jcamins Ooh, bug in systempreferences.pl. 02:45 jcamins The label for German is actually translated. 02:45 chris ah ok 02:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 field 545 missing 02:45 jcamins I'm writing the patch for bug 5226 02:44 jcamins What language the database is in. 02:44 chris find uot what language what is? 02:44 jcamins We really should. 02:44 jcamins Oh, I guess we don't do that. 02:43 jcamins How do I find out what language it is, so I can put the correct label in for the German? 02:42 chris hehe 02:42 robin I would have gotten away with it too, if not for your pesky reading! 02:42 chris /pedantic more 02:41 chris its not the same 02:41 chris Like pop, but do not remove the state from the stash list. 02:41 robin /pedantic 02:41 robin git stash ( pop | apply ) [--index] [-q|--quiet] [<stash>] 02:41 robin not according to the docs :) 02:40 jcamins Ah. 02:40 chris but if you leave the argument off its the same as pop 02:40 chris apply takes an argument, you can have lots of things stashed 02:40 robin pop == apply 02:39 jcamins Ah, git stash apply. 02:39 chris git stash apply 02:39 chris git rebase 02:39 chris git stash 02:39 chris yes you can 02:38 jcamins I always get confused by this. 02:38 jcamins chris: if I want to rebase on master before I commit my changes, I can run git stash && git rebase && git stash pop? 02:32 jcamins Guess I don't need to worry about Russian or Ukrainian. 02:31 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought. 02:31 chris the former 02:31 jcamins chris: if I can't translate into Polish, is it better to leave it in English, or not add it to the framework? 02:30 ray good day! can a user print card catalogs using koha? 02:29 jcamins Argh! My helpful cheatsheet for Polish doesn't list 545. 02:29 jcamins paul_p: if I don't have to figure out what the 545 field is called in French, I see that as a good thing. ;) 02:28 paul_p jcamins, I confirm what chris says, except that a few marc21 libraries exist in France. At least one of them is looking at Koha atm. so we could be interesed in marc21 in french next year (not before, and maybe in 2012, it's a long term project) 02:27 chris nope, they just havent ever got round to translating 02:27 sekjal alright, I'm out. good <localtime>, #koha 02:26 jcamins Is this a problem? 02:26 sekjal also got to get around the hardcoding of the $dir 02:26 jcamins chris: fr-CA is missing from my git clone. 02:25 sekjal robin: yeah, yeah 02:25 jcamins Phooey, that means I need to find out how to say "Fussnote zu biografischen oder historischen Daten" in French. 02:25 robin sekjal: use strict; use warnings; :) 02:25 robin they use FRAC, named after BSG. 02:24 chris it would need to be translated 02:24 pastebot "sekjal" at 202.78.240.10 pasted "My rather naive code for generating the graph's .dot file source" (124 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/87 02:24 chris i think for fr-CA 02:24 jcamins So that's okay then. 02:24 jcamins Ah. 02:24 chris they didnt bother to translate it 02:24 chris because no one in france uses MARC21 02:24 chris ah yes 02:23 jcamins The French MARC21 framework. 02:23 chris which file? 02:22 jcamins That seems... odd. 02:21 jcamins Should the non-English SQL files be in English? 02:21 robin not sure, never actually looked, despite the fact that I live half way up the street that it's apparently at the top of. 02:21 robin http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Wellington_City_Night.jpg <-- this is from Mt Vic 02:21 sekjal is the Weathertop site easy to find? 02:20 robin sekjal: a lot, generally 02:20 sekjal time to see what I can see up Mt. Victoria 02:20 sekjal oh well 02:20 sekjal oh, that was disappointing.... I wanted to say hi to pianohack 02:19 chris :) 02:18 sekjal okay, with that small success under my belt, time to go out and enjoy the sunshine 02:16 sekjal I could try to do more with ranking, too, though that would involve changing it to a hash-based implementation, likely 02:15 sekjal my script to generate the .dot file this is built from doesn't use many modules (just GetOpt::Long) 02:14 sekjal gmcharlt: very promising, thank you 02:12 gmcharlt sekjal: you may find this of interest for mark II: http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/PPI-1.213/lib/PPI.pm 02:10 chris they will get run 02:10 chris but any we deem critical, if you name them 00-something.t 02:10 chris which at this point is just the one test 02:10 chris this one will run any tests that start with 00 02:10 chris ahh yeah thats what i started with 02:09 gmcharlt a pre-commit hook that runs the entire test suite would be nice, if too impratical to actually use 02:09 chris it mostly even works 02:09 gmcharlt chris: looks good 02:08 sekjal I'd thought it would be readable enough for a person to find cycles, but that would be more work than writing another script 02:08 chris the last 2 commits 02:08 chris gmcharlt: did you see this? http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/git-hooks 02:08 robin :) 02:08 sekjal perhaps I can play with that on the plane 02:07 robin if you want to make a more awesome one, have one that figures out which dependencies aren't actually used by the code :) 02:07 sekjal 350 something edges 02:07 sekjal 218 files 02:07 jcamins That's terrifying. 02:06 sekjal my script isn't smart enough to know when to ignore 'use C4::<blah>' when it's in the doc 02:06 robin oh ah 02:06 sekjal some of the self-deps are because of POD 02:05 * robin notes that C4::ClassSortRoutine 'use's itself. 02:05 gmcharlt sekjal++ 02:05 gmcharlt wheeee! 02:04 sekjal http://174.143.236.27/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/C4dep-2.pdf 02:04 sekjal much better 02:02 robin also more likely to be useful with scaling 02:02 sekjal will try that instead 02:02 robin sekjal: can you output as PDF? 02:01 sekjal want to share, but it's too kinda huge 02:01 sekjal got an initial .png of the C4 Perl interdependencies 01:57 rach Cool paul 01:45 paul_p richard, thanks 01:45 wasabi http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/Graph-0.94/lib/Graph.pod 01:45 richard i'll leave a stickie on her monitor 01:45 richard paul_p: rach has had to shoot off 01:41 paul_p rach, for tomorrow, nothing planned yet, so your proposal would be gratefully accepted ! 01:40 paul_p (for tonight) 01:40 paul_p rach, we already have a dinner planned with nengard & some other ppl 01:32 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5162' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fa376542d682b551e70eb5e591d7133e09bff20> / bug 5162: follow-up patch to not clear hidden input setting attribute type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33f3d4de1d279263845256b3c764ce2fa338ef7a> / Fix for Bug 5162, patron attributes 'new' link should create blank value <http://gi 01:28 rach Would you guys like to come over for a (simple) dinner tonight or tommorrow night? 01:22 paul_p (3rd floor of catalyst) 01:22 paul_p ian, hdl, me & mason 01:21 * rach wonders how many people are still in town hacking? 01:21 paul_p yep, epic is the word ! 01:21 paul_p and they did 01:21 paul_p robin, lol ;-) it's just a rugby game that was ended ... if the yellow team (that was winning) shoot the ball outside of the field. but ... a 3rd try could be scored, giving them the "bonus point" for 3 try... 01:20 russ paul_p: that is an epic try 01:19 robin paul_p: but it's all written in funny moon words :) 01:19 rach hello 01:19 chris :) 01:17 paul_p chris, http://www.maitre-eolas.fr/post/2010/10/31/Du-rugby-comme-on-l-aime could be interesting ;-) 00:59 paul_p ok, coming to get it, thx 00:59 chris at my desk 00:59 chris yep, printed off 00:59 paul_p chris, do you have received the 2nd boarding pass ? 00:31 chris ive printed those emails, ... so you can grab them from my desk 00:27 chris sorry was talking, yes? 00:21 paul_p chris ?