Time  Nick       Message
01:17 slef       at levin
02:48 bob        hi, i've a quick koha 3.2 upgrade question - running the koha_perl_deps.pl file it says a few existing modules need a newer version - will upgrading them break other 3.0 kohas on the same box?
02:49 bob        they are YAML, Storable, Locale::PO, DateTime, CGI::Session::Serialize::y
03:32 mason      bob: short answer is no
03:33 bob        that is a short answer
03:33 mason      ive got a dev-box with a bunch of 3.0 and 3.2 kohas
03:33 bob        excellent - that's the sort of thing i wanted to hear
03:33 mason      deb-lenny fyi, and everything is happy
03:34 bob        cool
03:34 bob        thanks mason
03:34 mason      yeah, your setup should be real close to mine, so you'll be fine, i reckon
03:35 bob        my server is etch - but hopefully that won't cause problems
03:36 mason      ok, i've previously done the same with etch too
03:37 mason      u might need to upgrade perl from 5.8 to 5.10
03:37 bob        ah, hmm that sounds a pain
03:37 mason      which will mean a bit more work
03:37 mason      yeah :/
03:38 mason      wot perl u on?
03:38 mason      perl -v
03:38 bob        5.8.8
03:38 mason      right, some of those deps, might want perl5.10
03:39 mason      cant remember...
03:39 richard    according the the release notes - The minimum version of Perl required is now 5.8.8.
03:39 mason      ok, sounds good
03:39 bob        well i'll try to install the modules tonight and if any complain i'll have to go down the perl upgrade path
03:40 mason      try it on a dev box 1st, i reckon
03:41 bob        right
03:41 mason      but 3.0 and 3.2 kohas on etch, worked fine for me
03:41 bob        i'm sure it'll all be fine :)
07:13 kmkale     hi all
07:13 ivanc      good morning #koha
07:15 Amit       heya kmkale
07:16 kmkale     hi Amit
07:16 kmkale     Amit: thought you would be at the Kohacon10
07:16 Amit       hmmm
07:17 kmkale     Amit: is the book out?
07:18 Amit       no
07:19 Amit       kmkale: in november
07:19 kmkale     cool
08:04 slef       kohacons returning from the marae
10:33 slef       PTFS?
10:33 slef       munin: PTFS?
10:33 munin      slef: Error: "PTFS?" is not a valid command.
10:33 slef       munin: PTFS
10:33 munin      slef: "PTFS" could be Ptfs: They Fork Software
11:16 kmkale     @weather Mumbai
11:16 munin      kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 34.0�C (4:40 PM IST on October 28, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
12:21 owen       Oh I don't know chris_n I thought the backtick was kind of jaunty.
12:21 chris_n    hehe
12:22 chris_n    kohacon in nz sure makes for a large scroll-back
12:28 owen       I was about to ask "Hackfest doesn't start until tomorrow?" but then I remembered that tomorrow is coming earlier for them
12:35 gmcharlt   heh
12:36 owen       This is the part I really hate to be missing
13:05 schuster   Owen - do you all use patron suggestions?
13:06 owen       Not Koha's. We use our own system.
13:06 schuster   owen - do you all use Koha's acq or something else?
13:07 schuster   Last question as I have a ton of other things I should be doing...  Do you allow patrons to write reviews?
13:07 owen       We don't use any acquisitions software. We do some cataloging in Koha and some outside of Koha
13:08 owen       We do have comments enabled, but I've never seen a single one submitted.
13:08 schuster   K thanks...  Thinking about QR codes and how others I have seen are using them in the library and with books.
13:09 owen       How are people using them?
13:14 schuster   Links to databases that are relevant to a topic that are posted in the stacks...(Legal section might have a qr code in the middle of the stacks that links to Legal ref database or a youtube on how to search a legal ref database)
13:14 schuster   reviews of books or book trailers
13:15 schuster   I see that gutenberg now has them available in their system for users to scan and take the book with them.
13:15 owen       QR codes seem like they must be of such limited interest: People who have the right phone, with the right software, and know what QR codes are...
13:17 gmcharlt   owen: it depends on the area - AIUI, QR codes are *heavily* used in Japan
13:17 schuster   You can use almost any smart phone you just have to download the qr reader...  I'm thinking with High school kids it could be of great interest as a "cool" think.
13:17 schuster   think/thing
13:17 schuster   I'm seeing them more here in the states - there was a Sears add this weekend with one on it, and in some magazines I am seeing them.
13:18 schuster   last April I went to a session at the state library conference where several of the universities were looking at its use on campus.
13:18 schuster   They even talked about it on CSI - NY the TV show!
13:19 schuster   Evidently there was a session at Computers in Libraries West that talked about it as I had a call from a librarian that was attending..  Had to burst her bubble that I know about them and am presenting on it in 2 weeks.
13:22 owen       I wish people would attach patches to their bug reports when marking them "patch-sent"
13:25 * chris_n  cheers gmcharlt on in his patchwork
13:26 * owen     too
13:51 schuster   Question for those also keeping the pulse of Kohacon10...  Were there any posts on the Wed - support session discussin?
14:21 kmkale     bye all
15:08 rhcl       hi brendan
15:42 brendan    heya rhcl
17:18 brendan    ah back - morning all
17:20 rhcl       afternoon
17:22 chris_n    gmcharlt about?
17:22 gmcharlt   ues
17:22 gmcharlt   yes, even
17:23 chris_n    do you know if it is possible for a dev install not to have the 'HomeOrHoldingBranch' pref present?
17:23 chris_n    actually
17:23 chris_n    for that value to be null?
17:25 gmcharlt   not under normal circumstance
17:26 chris_n    hmm
17:26 chris_n    actually the pref does not exist in this install
17:26 chris_n    but it rebases fine against the current head
17:27 chris_n    the trouble is it shows up in the prefs editor
17:28 chris_n    well... setting it to other than the default adds it to the systempreferences table
17:28 chris_n    interesting
17:29 * chris_n  shrugs
17:30 druthb     @seen jwagner
17:30 munin      druthb: jwagner was last seen in #koha 5 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * jwagner is heading out now -- see you in NZ!
17:30 * druthb   chuckles
17:30 druthb     @seen jdavidb
17:30 munin      druthb: jdavidb was last seen in #koha 17 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <jdavidb> hi, cait!  :D
17:30 gmcharlt   druthb: I was going to say, surely you haven't misplaced her
17:30 gmcharlt   @karma druthb
17:30 munin      gmcharlt: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 37 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 37.
17:31 gmcharlt   @karma jdavidb
17:31 munin      gmcharlt: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0.
17:31 druthb     Gosh, has it been that long already?  wow.
17:31 druthb     We haven't misplaced her, I don't think.  She IMs me most every day, at least for a few minutes.
17:33 druthb     It's probably good they sent her, and not me.  I would be tempted to vanish into thin air, I think.
17:33 jcamins    druthb: is vanishing into *thin* air as impossible in DC as in NYC?
17:34 druthb     quite impossible here.  you have to have good cover around here.  I'm no longer nondescript enough to become effectively invisible.
17:35 druthb     jwagner is missing an informal bash tomorrow at the office, in honor of National Crossdressers' Coming Out Day...I mean, Halloween.    I suspect she's heartbroken.
17:36 jcamins    This morning, my boss and I spent several minutes staring out the library's windows at the fog bank that was rolling in over the Hudson. It looked like all of the city north of the Village was on fire.
17:37 jcamins    We're pretty sure it wasn't, but it certainly reminded one of the fact that NYC's air isn't the greatest.
17:37 druthb     We don't have fog and pollution terribly bad around these parts, but we do have some "orange alert" days from time to time.  Mostly in the summer.
17:39 druthb     The humidity here is fierce..  the western part of downtown DC used to be a bog on the shore of the Potomac; our office is about a mile, maybe, from the Potomac, a little farther upriver.
17:47 joetho     hello- anybody got any experience converting xml to marc? Any alternatives to marcedit?
17:51 jcamins    joetho: what format?
17:52 * jcamins  usually just writes an XSLT and uses saxon
17:52 joetho     original file has 13,000 records in .xml format
17:52 gmcharlt   joetho: yaz-marcdump can do that conversion
17:52 gmcharlt   something like yaz-marcdump -i marcxml -o marc file.xml > file.mrc
17:53 jcamins    joetho: never mind. Do what gmcharlt says (actually, I think that's always a good rule...). I answered a different question entirely.
17:54 brendan    man the koha 10 years in 10 minutes is pretty cool to watch
17:54 joetho     add quote time: "Do what gmcharlt says (actually, I think that's always a good rule...)
18:03 druthb     hi, owen.
18:04 owen       Hello fellow American.
18:04 druthb     fellow-American-stuck-in-America?  :P
18:05 joetho     hi druth
18:06 joetho     My fellow amerikansan Liz has fled and we miss her terribly
18:06 owen       I think you'll be lucky if she comes back joetho, by the sound of it
18:07 jcamins    owen: would _you_?
18:07 owen       Depends how many job offers I got while I was there
18:08 * druthb   would be tempted to find some nice quiet sheep station somewhere...and effectively disappear.
18:08 druthb     herding critters would lower my stress level some, maybe.
18:08 thd        hdl: are you present?
18:09 hdl        i am
18:09 owen       druthb: Herding my critters doesn't always lower my stress level
18:09 jcamins    owen: true... maybe they need bakers in NZ! I could reinvent myself as a baker on the other side of the world...
18:09 thd        hdl: I did not understand the use of 'function' in "Maybe we could just use function and caching results."
18:10 hdl        subs
18:10 thd        subs?
18:10 hdl        sub myfunction { return aaa; }
18:10 druthb     baking...carpentry...hm.  could do all sorta things, jcamins. :)
18:10 slef       yengh
18:11 hdl        memoize::memcached ( myfuction,ladida)
18:11 thd        hdl: OK so its a caching function or subroutine
18:12 hdl        yep
18:12 hdl        I think that data persistance is more the way we should do rather than just caching.
18:13 thd        hdl: You mean persistence in memory?
18:13 hdl        But in both cases (data persistance or caching) you have the same issues : you have to flush whenever data is edited.
18:13 hdl        thd: yes.
18:15 thd        Presumably, edits are infrequent in an ILS unless we are also caching or persisting circulation data as well.
18:16 thd        s/edits/edits to any significant number of records which might have been cached or otherwise persisted in memory.
18:16 hdl        thd: it would even be caching branches and so on.
18:17 hdl        But still, if you are caching issuingules.
18:17 hdl        It is still quite disapointing when you see that the issuingrules taken is the previous one ;)
18:17 hdl        There are ways to flush cache.
18:18 hdl        I think we could use either flush cache on a regular base or just whenever and edit occurs.
18:20 thd        When I have communicated with chris in the past about the relative benefit of file system access or DB storage he seemed to express the view that DB storage almost always wins with good caching over the file system.
18:24 joetho     oh and gmcharlt:  thanks for the yaz tip!
18:24 joetho     yer the best!
18:24 thd        hdl: How does caching or persistence really help for bibliographic records in a large collection in any case?
18:25 thd        hdl: Are you referring merely to some benefit of the most popular queries from which records would be cached or persisted?
18:26 hdl        (on skype)
18:26 thd        ok
18:29 chris      thd: that's our experience with stuff, which has highly dynamic content and a lot of it, keep it in ram ftw
18:31 chris      We have millions and millions of rows, most of it persists in ram
18:32 chris      As serialised objects
18:32 thd        chris: Would libraries have enough RAM to keep everything in RAM?
18:32 chris      Pretty much every story is much larger than a marc record
18:32 chris      Yes
18:33 chris      And it doesn't need to be everything, memcached is smart
18:34 chris      But as ppl will learn at the talks today fetching data is not our bottleneck
18:34 chris      There are some very easy wins but I'm not going to preempt the talks
18:34 thd        chris: What about the issue which hdl raised that the cache or persistence has to be flushed every time there is an update.
18:34 chris      Easy peasy
18:35 chris      We have to do that too
18:35 chris      You can't have old news on a news site
18:36 chris      But the easy wins involve no caching
18:36 gmcharlt   thd: also, managing the cache is well, part of life - it isn't *that* hard to fire appropriate cache-clearing actions when something gets updated
18:36 chris      After we pick the low hanging fruit we can tackle those
18:36 gmcharlt   i.e., it isn't rocket surgery, to borrower one of my colleague's catchphrases
18:37 thd        chris: Do you mean that flushing and replacing the entire cache has a trivial impact on performance even on a site as busy as stuff.nz?
18:37 chris      Exactly
18:37 chris      Why flush the whole cache?
18:37 chris      Why would you ever do that?
18:37 thd        chris: If the cache is segmented that is fine :)
18:37 * thd      does not understand the details of caching
18:38 chris      You'd have to try really hard not to segment it :)
18:38 chris      With memcached anyway
18:39 hdl        thd: well caching imho would not be on record queries, what is most interesting is caching the parameters and branches and categories and all the settings.
18:39 hdl        Could be on records.
18:40 chris      Id cache records too
18:40 chris      Memcached reclaims space from things that aren't used
18:40 hdl        But settings and branches and categories are the most database consuming.
18:41 chris      the settings affect scalabilty
18:41 hdl        chris: there are many ways to 'cache records'
18:41 chris      Records speed
18:41 hdl        you could cacher record pages.
18:41 thd        chris: cfouts refers to parsing inefficiencies for XML.  I know that pales in comparison to circulation and record editor inefficiencies.  However, all queries require parsing, while circulation and the record editor are used much less frequently.
18:41 hdl        (but could be done in apache)
18:41 chris      Ie you can fetch a syspref ftom the db faster than the cache
18:41 gmcharlt   once we get items out of the bibs, caching the the display versions of the bib data would be a win
18:41 chris      Yes
18:42 nod        reminder, hack fest starts at 9am NZDT :)
18:42 nod        level 3 catalyst house
18:42 chris      On the bus now nod
18:42 nod        http://www.catalyst.net.nz/contact
18:42 hdl        gmcharlt: i pushed a wip_removeitems
18:42 nod        chris: sweet, although hopefully theres nothing for you to do :)
18:42 hdl        branch on git.biblibre.com
18:42 thd        gmcharlt: Where should display optimised records be stored?
18:43 * nod      works on his best practices talk
18:43 chris      thd: hence store the serialised object not the xml blob in the cache :)
18:43 gmcharlt   thd: stored?  nowhere.  cached?  in memcache
18:43 gmcharlt   there's a distinction
18:43 thd        gmcharlt: but where stored prior to be cached by memcache?
18:43 gmcharlt   nowhere
18:44 chris      Its rendered to the cache
18:44 chris_n    thd: the view is generated and cached
18:44 gmcharlt   the display version would be computed when needed (e.g., applying the OPAC XSLT to the MARCXML)
18:44 chris      And the screen
18:44 gmcharlt   and the results cached
18:44 chris      Yeah what he said :)
18:44 chris_n    snap
18:44 thd        gmcharlt: So if the server never goes down they can all live in a preparsed form forever?
18:45 * chris_n  presumes they would go stale at some expire time
18:45 chris      Don't have to chris_n
18:45 gmcharlt   right, or depending on the level of granularity of our cache control, the cached version of an individual record could be invalidated if/when the bib gets updated
18:45 chris_n    how would we decide if they were current or not?
18:45 chris      If you instead flush them when you change them
18:45 chris_n    ahh
18:45 gmcharlt   i.e., what chris said :)
18:46 * chris_n  must try to keep up
18:46 chris      We always know when they change
18:46 chris      Ok my stop, coffee the bbiab
18:46 chris_n    drink some for me
18:47 hdl        We have to go to
18:51 thd        chris_n: I have not posted to the list, I have another update I want to do first  on AGPL 3 advocacy.  However, have a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_copyright_license
18:51 thd        chris_n: The IRC meeting about the ballot is fully summarised
18:54 chris_n    nice work thd
18:55 thd        chris_n: sorry that when I was having problems with my computer or my health in the past two months I did not have enough of me to do that work.
18:55 chris_n    that is very understandable
18:55 thd        chirs_n: your improvements are needed.
18:56 chris_n    plus, the issue really took second place to 3.2.0
18:56 chris_n    thd: I'll devote some time to it over the next week
18:57 * chris_n  wonders aloud if slef has looked into possible voting mechanisms
18:57 * dpavlin_ applogies for jumping in just now
18:57 thd        chris_n: I asked recently.  I suggested that he prepare.
18:57 thd        chris_n: I think after KohaCon we can restart the process.
18:57 chris_n    dpavlin_: jump on in, the water's fine :)
18:58 chris_n    thd: right
18:58 dpavlin_   I can do some more work with NYTProf to see which codepaths are real problem.
18:58 dpavlin_   But, to do that, I would need some direction in how to add caches (so I can mesure improvements) and yet have it somewhat usable.
18:59 chris_n    dpavlin_: chris has a repo with code setup to use memcached iirc
18:59 dpavlin_   (as in somewhat usable for later -- I had a long day today and it's 21hrs here :-)
18:59 thd        chris_n: the delay will not be nearly as long as between the proposal to relicense the wiki license and the vote on the wiki relicensing.
19:00 chris_n    thd: I'd hope not :-)
19:00 * brendan  thinks aloud when is the next IRC meeting
19:00 * dpavlin_ would appriciate pointer to it :-)
19:00 brendan    anyone that knows - can they add that to the channel header?
19:00 chris_n    dpavlin_: om, i'll look
19:01 brendan    thanks chris_n I just don't know that date or time yet ;)
19:01 thd        brendon: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_10_November_2010
19:03 chris_n    dpavlin_: well, chris will have to point you to it
19:05 chris_n    brendan: done
19:06 brendan    sweet thanks chris_n++
19:06 brendan    I guess when I engage VPN I loose IRC
19:06 chris_n    probably not using split tunneling
19:07 * chris_n  seems to remember it is bad practice to do that sort of thing
19:07 brendan    nope
19:07 brendan    yeah not my vpn - I just login - kick a script and get out
19:07 brendan    go screen
19:15 richard    hi
19:17 brendan    hi richard
19:21 brendan    is the hackfest going to taped?
19:21 * jcamins  thinks that would be a great idea
19:22 * brendan  thinks we'll be able to follow along with the patches sent?
19:22 brendan    somewhat - been seeing a lot of patches sent by gmcharlt
19:40 rhcl       gmcharlt: Is FulfiLLment analogous to OCLC?
19:41 gmcharlt   rhcl: not in terms of its implementation
19:42 gmcharlt   it lets a group of libraries interecirculate
19:42 jcamins    gmcharlt: is there anything you don't know?
19:42 gmcharlt   but it isn't a centralized service a la OCLC ILL
19:43 gmcharlt   instead, it sits in the middle of a group of local catalogs
19:43 rhcl       hummm
19:43 gmcharlt   jcamins: considering that Equinox is writing FulfILLment, I ought to know what it is ;)
19:44 rhcl       gmcharlt even speaks croatian
19:44 richard    wow
19:44 jcamins    gmcharlt: oh, well, yes, I guess that makes sense.
19:45 chris_n    dpavlin_: found it... http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/memcached
19:49 owen       Hello ladies of Koha
19:49 wizzyrea_  hi owen!
19:50 wizzyrea_  did you see the video of 10 years in 10 minutes?
19:50 owen       Yeah, that was fun
19:50 wizzyrea_  10 years of koha development that is
19:50 wizzyrea_  I loved watching you flit about the templates ;)
19:50 owen       If they'd asked I would have given them a head shot ;)
19:50 * owen     has a stack of glossies handy at all times
19:50 wizzyrea_  maybe they'll do a new version with submitted headshots
19:51 wizzyrea_  hahahaha
19:51 owen       It would also be cool with little 8-bit style avatars
19:52 wizzyrea_  you gonna whip those up then?
19:54 owen       I hope I'll have my hands full kibitzing template changes coming out of Biblibre and hackfest
19:55 wizzyrea_  I have no doubt that you will :)
19:55 nengard    hi owen
19:55 owen       wizzyrea_: Trick-or-treating tonight! You should show chris's kids how it's done.
19:56 nengard    owen i might be wrong, but i think those headshots came from ohloh
19:56 wizzyrea_  lol
19:56 nengard    off to see if they match :)
19:56 owen       You could even try it after dark on the 31st rather than at 5PM three days before Halloween
19:57 nengard    looks like i was was wrong about the headshots: https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/stacks
19:57 nengard    not sure where they came from
20:01 slef       ok, is there a hack room?
20:01 owen       You have to hack your way in slef
20:01 slef       and it's chris's fault we're late :)
20:02 slef       owen: I could but it often upsets ppl
20:05 slef       owen: nengard: headshots from kohacon 2006 dev_week IIRC
20:05 nengard    oh!! okay
20:05 owen       Reminders of missed cons past...
20:05 slef       or may be 2009, but either way, that's why I'm not there
20:06 * brendan  wonders if kohacon will become more of a yearly thing now
20:07 slef       brendan: depends on demand and organisers
20:07 brendan    well I'll start saving now
20:07 slef       brendan: some say uk next, but I'd need to get co-op backing.
20:08 brendan    that would be great slef
20:08 rhcl       http://www.chenahotsprings.com/
20:08 owen       slef: I'm certainly hoping for a kohacon somewhere in Europe next year
20:09 slef       nengard: is that room to the left usable by us?
20:09 nengard    yes
20:09 nengard    bleh - slides going by too fast - can't blog
20:09 slef       oops sorry to distract
20:10 slef       let me know if I should stream a talk
20:10 slef       brb
20:13 nengard    slef  not your fault at all - just that andrew is going fast :)
20:18 Elwell_    22:03 < ?wizzyrea_> did you see the video of 10 years in 10 minutes?
20:18 Elwell_    ^^^^ available online?
20:18 wizzyrea   yep
20:18 Elwell_    for those of us not at kohacon
20:19 owen       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec
20:19 Elwell_    ta
20:19 wizzyrea   ^^
20:19 slef       Elwell_: check http://s.coop/kohacon10 for links and stuff
20:20 slef       laptop doesn't like catalyst wifi :(
20:21 slef       sodding passphrase wrong
20:21 nengard    bengard cant log into irc - ERROR :Closing Link: cat11g.catalyst.net.nz (Too many host connections (local))
20:23 slef       nengard: I'll set up a tunnel once I'm on the wifi..
20:23 nengard    Elwell_ all videos and presentation summaries here: http://www.web2learning.net/categories/conferences/kohacon
20:23 nengard    thanks slef - cait also can't get in
20:26 Elwell_    cool nengard ta
20:31 slef       am having serious fun with keyboards and mice too :/
20:32 slef       it all worked at the b+b :/
20:32 slef       rebooted and all works
20:36 slef       ok, irc server tunnel on 10.22.33.74 for those at hackfest
20:36 slef       it'll be up until 1130 at least
20:37 slef       so that might give time to sort out the connection limits
20:40 hdl        thanks slef
21:06 cait       yay!
21:06 cait       slef++ :)
21:08 cait       hi bengard
21:08 bengard    hello
21:08 bengard    thanks to MJ for getting me onto IRC!
21:09 slef       well that was more of a mess than I thought
21:09 slef       thanks to the co-op for having multiple customer servers I could try until it worked!
21:10 slef       hehe, magnus has stolen hdl's connection space
21:10 slef       anyone else wants the connection info, ask me... I don't want to publish that one because it is too open
21:12 slef       ok, now to hack stuff
21:13 brendan    slef - sekjal may need a connection
21:14 slef       I'll put it on the board if there's a marker
21:15 wizzyrea   owen's gone isn't he
21:15 brendan    yup past his bedtime
21:15 wizzyrea   *sniff*
21:15 wizzyrea   look at how kete handles "advanced search"
21:15 wizzyrea   http://upperhutt.kete.net.nz/#
21:15 slef       will wait for chris to pause
21:15 wizzyrea   click on the spyglass in the search box
21:15 slef       wizzyrea: javascript #fail?
21:15 wizzyrea   aside that
21:29 magnus     oops, what did i do?
21:37 rhcl       not sure about relevance (http://upperhutt.kete.net.nz/#)
21:38 rhcl       search for "fish" in pictures...expect so see some catfish? No, matches on personal name "Fisher"
21:39 wizzyrea   did you click on the spyglass in the search box to see the advanced search?
21:40 wizzyrea   because that's what is relevant
21:40 wizzyrea   and it saves all of your previous searches
21:40 wizzyrea   in that bo
21:40 wizzyrea   box
21:40 wizzyrea   which appears on every page
21:40 rhcl       ya, the drop down options are nice
21:50 wizzyrea   and re: upperhutt, there may not be any content in there about fish. Just sayin.
21:53 rhcl       no walleye for me :(
22:01 mason-xxx  helloooooooooooooooo
22:01 mason-xxx  this is a test
22:01 wizzyrea   hey mason
22:02 mason-xxx  hi liz
22:02 slef       magnus: only N ppl can connect from each location, catalyst hack lab is at maximum
22:07 brendan    mason-xxx sounds scary
22:17 slef       brendan: you like mason porn, yes?
22:17 brendan    heh
22:17 brendan    not sure about that - was thinking of the movie
22:18 sekjal     thanks, slef, for the IRC workaround
22:18 braedon|h  brendan: that doesn't really clarify the issue
22:19 brendan    nope not into mason porn then
22:19 slef       sekjal: in return, can you let me know when reed starts?
22:19 sekjal     slef: absolutely
22:19 slef       tyvm... and thank the co-op more than me for having servers handy :)
22:20 sekjal     thanks, software.coop !
22:44 slef       so who's going to ask the if/elsif/else question?
22:44 slef       oh, there is is
22:45 slef       it is
22:45 slef       but koha uses EXPR far too much... will this force a cleanup?
22:49 cait       bigger_fonts++
22:52 slef       cait: I will bring binoculars for you tomorrow?
22:52 slef       or you could just sit nearer the front
22:52 cait       yeah, I could
22:53 wizzyrea   cait: http://reedwade.net/kohacon10/ttt/
22:55 slef       mmm hard to ask questions here
22:57 cait       wizzyrea++
22:57 slef       awww, ajax--
22:57 slef       so tt lets the expr survive :(
23:01 nengard    bigger fonts and louder voices - might have to sit up front tomorrow
23:01 nengard    or after lunch
23:04 slef       no questions for slef :(
23:04 slef       bbl
23:04 sekjal     alright, lunch
23:04 sekjal     need food
23:04 sekjal     blood sugar low
23:21 braedon|h  @wunder auckland
23:21 munin      braedon|h: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 19.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).