Time Nick Message 00:17 nengard so sad :( http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5116260332/ hehe 00:18 wizzyrea_ shameful! 00:18 braedon is BK all wellington has to offer? :P 00:19 wizzyrea_ I had a lovely kebab 00:19 wizzyrea_ :P 00:19 braedon what was all that fuss about win7? 00:19 * braedon is reading the feed 00:20 nengard summary on my blog of that talk braedon 00:20 braedon o, it was part of a pres? 00:20 nengard yes 00:20 braedon i assumed it was a technical glitch 00:20 braedon found it 00:20 braedon thanks 00:20 * chris_n makes the first push toward 3.2.1 00:21 chris_n nengard: that is sad indeed ;) 00:21 wizzyrea_ chris_n++ 00:21 * chris_n refused to eat McD's when he visited Spain 00:21 nengard i think sekjal is listening to paul_p and not seeing his picture :) 00:22 wizzyrea_ we broke down once in the airport, and had dunkin and a mcmuffin (but that was spud and the hubs... I AM STILL PURE) 00:22 sekjal I was in here late working on tickets for our clients, and had to grab something quick! 00:22 nengard we ate at the library - it was DELICOUS!! 00:22 nengard the real library - not the bar library 00:23 wizzyrea_ right, they have a good cafe there 00:23 nengard sekjal++ for working :) 00:23 sekjal I was also curious about the experience of BK out of America 00:23 wizzyrea_ lol 00:23 bengard what's the verdict? 00:23 sekjal it's a little better. not much, but I don't feel as contaminated 00:23 chris_n is it as bad as in America? 00:23 chris_n snap 00:23 bengard so less toxic waste in NZ BK? 00:23 sekjal I think so. 00:23 bengard well, they do seem to be more environmentally conscious here 00:24 braedon still mainly cardboard and napkins though 00:24 sekjal won't be doing it again 00:24 braedon dagnamit 00:24 sekjal trying not to eat the same place too many times; want to get a broad range of experience while I'm here 00:25 slef is the wifi dead? 00:25 * braedon keeps for getting not to make obscure references to cartoons here... 00:25 bengard so you won't be going to get kebabs with Nate every night? 00:25 wizzyrea_ no, but you can't have alternate dns in or it won't find the caenet website 00:25 wizzyrea_ cafenet* 00:25 * wizzyrea_ thought it was dead too 00:26 slef nah, I have no wifi ap connection 00:26 sekjal bengard: going to try not to, though those kebabs are pretty good! 00:26 bengard heh 00:27 slef I'll move nearer the back and see if I get a better ap link 00:27 slef I think I bit my tongue at lunch :-( 00:28 wizzyrea noes! 00:28 nengard :( 00:28 braedon could be it - wi-fi connections are all about how you hold your tongue 00:28 slef aha I have wifi... brb 00:29 slef back! 00:30 slef multinetwork_devices++ anyway 00:57 slef paul_p++ 00:58 slef paul_p: I think you do not know how great that accent is :) 00:58 paul_p slef, kidding or not ? (/me think yes) 00:58 slef not 00:59 nengard he's not kidding 01:00 slef paul_p: you ever heard of Antoine de Caunes? 01:00 wizzyrea_ ^^ hehe 01:00 paul_p slef, of course yes ! 01:00 slef paul_p: he is cult hero on uk tv 01:01 slef I think you imagine it is like an anglo accent en francais 01:01 slef which is bad, I know :) 01:01 slef it's infinitely better than that. 01:02 chilts paul_p: do you have a Twitter account? 01:03 paul_p chilts, paul_poulain 01:03 chilts sweet, thanks :) 01:03 paul_p slef, yep, even in France, he plays with his english accent, doing some performances in "frenglish" that are really lol ! 01:03 slef oops not paul_p? 01:04 slef who did I link??? 01:04 slef :) 01:04 chilts slef: dunno, but I copied and got it wrong too :) 01:04 nengard slef i think that was my fault - i linked to paul_p first and then saw that I did the wrong thing and everyone followed suit 01:04 chilts heh 01:04 slef yeah I was copying 01:04 chilts welcome to the internet and copying info without checking sources :D 01:04 paul_p slef, on twitter, no, it's paul_poulain 01:05 slef is that a bugmeme? 01:05 chilts memebad 01:05 chilts :) 01:05 slef chilts: yeah, I was double-checking that sofia is in bulgaria about 10mins before I spoke 01:06 slef as I remembered that I'd looked that up on wikipedia instead of a real source 01:06 slef which is dangerous 01:11 paul_p nengard, In 2002 Koha 2.1 was released along with the introduction => In 2002 Koha 1.2 was released along with the introduction (1.2 not 2.1) 01:11 nengard oopsie - typo - will fix 01:12 nengard fixed 01:13 nengard why do i smell something cinnamony? who has yummy sugar behind me? 01:14 wizzyrea_ I smell it too, I think it's her pastry 01:14 cait I think it's the woman in front of me 01:14 wizzyrea_ ---------> 01:14 * cait smells the cinnamon too 01:15 nengard cait - oh there she is!! :) 01:17 slef #weSupportHLT 01:17 slef ? 01:18 cait ? 01:18 slef see twitter.com/mjray 01:18 paul_p nengard, (thanks) 01:18 wizzyrea_ hehe, "simulates a modern library" 01:18 wizzyrea_ uh... 01:18 cait paul_p: she is right 01:19 cait you did very well 01:19 wizzyrea_ kind of *is* a modern library 01:19 wizzyrea_ >.> 01:19 paul_p cinnamon has not reached my line yet ;-) 01:20 wizzyrea_ the cinnamon bun is nearly devoured 01:20 wizzyrea_ so ti may not waft to you 01:21 Nate I smell kebabs 01:21 Nate Kebabs.... Mmmmmmm 01:21 wizzyrea_ lol 01:21 wizzyrea_ (that's your breath, dude) 01:21 wizzyrea_ >.> 01:21 * magnus thought we just had lunch 01:22 Nate O.O 01:22 wizzyrea_ ^.^ kidding, kidding 01:23 Nate :D 01:26 bengard kebab: it's like a popsicle, only made of meat 01:32 magnus oh no, she says "KOHA"... 01:34 sekjal magnus: only on a couple of the slides, though 01:35 wizzyrea_ I got an email from one of my librarians with the dreaded all caps this morning 01:35 wizzyrea_ well, yesterday afternoon for them really. :P 01:37 sekjal does anyone remember if we've discussed setting up a Kete instance for the Koha community? I feel like it may have come up before, but my initial searches just return info on integration 01:37 wizzyrea_ I don't think we have 01:38 sekjal I think it'd be pretty cool 01:38 wizzyrea_ agreed... what would we keep in it? 01:39 cait wizzyrea: what I see a lot is KoHa *shivers* 01:39 sekjal well, all the wiki content could fit there 01:39 sekjal video tutorials 01:39 wizzyrea_ !! 01:39 sekjal conference recordings 01:39 slef yeah well some dev co spent years flaming kea, so kete didn't really get considered ever 01:39 sekjal images from conferences, regional get togethers, what-have-you 01:41 sekjal could add icon sets, logos, other image files to connect to your system preferences 01:41 wizzyrea_ so you're thinking of replacing the wiki? 01:41 wizzyrea_ I like the idea of keeping the multimedia content there 01:41 sekjal also sound files to use in the HTML5 parts of circ 01:42 magnus i think the wiki is better for text - easier to create links 01:42 wizzyrea_ the obvious question that you'll get, I think, is "why can't you put that stuff on the wiki?" 01:42 magnus but kete would be great for files/documents etc 01:42 wizzyrea_ ^^ 01:42 cait perhaps replace kohadocs? 01:42 sekjal would be easy to pull in content from a Kete into Koha directly, as we saw yesterday 01:43 sekjal have dynamic connections for the help files, perhaps 01:43 wizzyrea_ well frankly, we should be doing that *already* 01:43 wizzyrea_ nengard, have you done much work in those internal help files? 01:44 wizzyrea_ that was kind of a random disconnect 01:46 sekjal another benefit: if we find that we need to stretch Kete to make it meet our needs, we're contributing to a sister system 01:46 wizzyrea do note I'm not opposed to kete-koha 01:46 sekjal I do realize it would duplicate a lot of what's in the wiki 01:46 sekjal but don't we get a lot of folks lamenting dealing with wiki syntax? 01:47 wizzyrea yes, indeed we do 01:47 sekjal my understanding is that Kete has a lower barrier for entry 01:50 wizzyrea that's probably true, wiki syntax sucks and does take time to learn 01:52 chilts can anyone let me know what that script is (I think) which sets up your machine to serve from your Git checkout? 01:53 wizzyrea anybody have some tylenol? Ms. Wagner is in dire need :/ 01:53 chilts some kind of install thing 01:53 wizzyrea Makefile.pl sets dev vs. standard install 01:53 wizzyrea is that what you're thinking of? 01:56 chilts yeah, sounds like it 01:56 chilts so perl Makefile.PL, make, then make install ... and it'll ask me what type of install I want? 01:56 chilts (sudo make install) :D 01:56 wizzyrea yea, makefil.pl should ask you what kind you want 01:56 chilts excellent, thanks wizzyrea 01:56 wizzyrea Makefile.pl 01:56 wizzyrea that is :) 01:56 sekjal Makefile.PL 01:56 sekjal actually 01:56 wizzyrea >.< 01:56 chilts yup, saw that :) 01:56 wizzyrea what he said, lol 01:57 * wizzyrea just undertook the cleanup of the lenny install docs, and should have gotten that right. Vacation has addled her brain 02:06 slef wizzyrea_: and addled your net link? 02:31 bengard mmm . . . kebabs 02:31 chilts do we talk about kebabs? 02:31 darling dang, now I'm hungry 02:31 chilts :) 02:31 slef cait: do you say kebaps? 02:31 cait no, not really 02:31 bengard also, nengard's pretty awesome, huh? 02:31 * cait is not a big fan of kebabs 02:32 wizzyrea she's amazing ^.^ 02:32 wizzyrea you might be biased though 02:32 bengard me? no way! 02:33 cait biased or not, he is right 02:34 paul_p nengard++ 02:34 paul_p the world is full of awesome ppl, but with nengard we've found a grade-A one !!! 02:38 magnus hear, hear 02:38 slef moo! 02:40 wizzyrea I just checked it, it's on every page of the manual 02:44 nengard awws shucks :) you're all so nice :) 02:44 slef couldn't resist the will anyone pay call 02:44 slef I should really 02:45 * slef naughty 02:50 nengard hehe :) 02:50 nengard i didn't mind 02:50 nengard i've had much worse heckling at talks before :) 02:52 slef I warned russel about that 02:54 nengard okay my nose is smelling a sandwich now -- the cinnamon roll was better ;) 02:55 cait hm, cinnamon rolls 02:56 wizzyrea spud's favorite 02:58 nengard did he get one this morning? 02:59 darling i think they're not highly available here 02:59 darling some nz sweets blind spots exist 03:00 nengard darling they are at breakfast - not the kind i'm used to at home - but they are cinnamon rolls 03:00 darling cool! 03:00 darling dang, now I'm hungry 03:01 wizzyrea no, I'm thinking that maybe what wellington *really* needs are proper cinnamon rolls 03:01 wizzyrea and since there aren't many 03:01 wizzyrea you can do it relatively badly and still do ok :P 03:01 braedon you guys are obsessed 03:01 wizzyrea (it takes hard work to mess up cinnamon rolls properly) 03:01 darling braedon, only on the important things 03:02 * wizzyrea makes totally passable cinnamon rolls 03:02 darling well pass some over here then 03:02 wizzyrea lol 03:02 * cait wants one too 03:02 * braedon will take 5 03:02 * nengard doesn't bake, but i can do the pillsbury rolls 03:02 nengard totally craving sugar now - oh - i had a 'american style' brownie at lunch 03:02 wizzyrea someone get me a kitchen, stat >.> 03:02 nengard it was yummy 03:03 darling brownies here can be very miss -- tend to be too dry to bite 03:03 cait I have a microwave in my room 03:03 cait but no oven :( 03:03 darling you can do a lot w/ a microwave 03:03 bengard ovens in hotel rooms typically end in catastrophic fire, I'd guess 03:04 darling bengard, deep fryers too 03:04 wizzyrea our old room had a convection oven/micro 03:04 wizzyrea I miss that place :/ 03:04 bengard also campfires 03:04 wizzyrea blowtorches 03:04 bengard flamethrowers 03:04 wizzyrea arc welders 03:04 braedon breeder reactors 03:04 wizzyrea nuclear submarines! 03:05 nengard oh boy - you guys got him started 03:05 bengard ICBMs! 03:05 wizzyrea Saturn rockets! 03:05 bengard Star Destroyers! 03:05 wizzyrea Scramjets! 03:05 bengard wait, Star Destroyer beats Scramjet! 03:06 sekjal Starscream? 03:06 wizzyrea ... a solar sail 1000km wide? I don't think so 03:06 wizzyrea or wait... sorry, that's focused radiation 03:06 braedon super star destroyers? 03:06 bengard there you go 03:06 bengard Death Stars! 03:06 bengard that's no moon! 03:06 braedon moons? 03:07 wizzyrea /facepalm 03:07 wizzyrea ok ok you win 03:07 bengard ;) 03:07 slef huh? 03:07 cait lol 03:07 wizzyrea things that cause fires in hotel rooms 03:07 bengard that just means I'm a bigger geek 03:07 slef I look away and it goes all star wars on me. 03:07 wizzyrea that might be true 03:08 darling i hope you all were minding the presentation also 03:08 nengard you're distracting me - can't blog a talk if i'm paying attnetion to you all :) 03:08 wizzyrea is that the ruler slap, teacher 03:08 slef yeah, koha authoritative body to licence training, eh? 03:08 slef license even 03:08 darling the cert topic is interesting 03:08 slef I blame they tiny keyboard 03:09 slef the even 03:09 wizzyrea that's a pretty library 03:09 cait made a note to ask my library school about a koha workshop 03:09 * cait remembers it was all talk and we never really got to play with something 03:09 bengard hey, that's awesome 03:10 slef ooh another rfid user 03:10 wizzyrea cait: should be much easier for them to install now that it's packaged for debian 03:10 slef I think he told me that at coffee 03:10 cait yeah, or we can use one of our installations 03:10 slef I'm dizzy with all the rfid interest. 03:10 wizzyrea seriously, do no other koha libraries transit reserves with RFID? 03:11 wizzyrea or it really works ok for everyone else? 03:11 cait slef: lots of interest and use in rfid in Germany too 03:11 cait use of... 03:11 wizzyrea because to hear the complaints from my only RFID library you'd think the whole thing was esplodey with nuclear proportions 03:12 slef but is everyone else using proprietary or bespoke staff terminal devices 03:12 slef ? 03:12 wizzyrea actually, the RFID isn't the problem. It's the SIP that's the problem. So I should probably be more accurate 03:13 wizzyrea the RFID works fine 03:13 slef sip works 03:13 wizzyrea HA 03:13 slef except when it doesn't 03:13 cait like everything 03:13 slef then debugging is hell 03:13 wizzyrea ^^ that 03:13 wizzyrea add on the fact that I don't have direct server access and I might as well be blind in the dark. 03:13 slef sip seems expensive to debug :-/ 03:14 wizzyrea blind in the dark anyway really. Hrmph. 03:14 cait it's difficult because you have to work with another company, can't test it all yourself 03:14 slef maybe I should offer to write a sip debugger for koha 03:14 * cait spend days on creating test cases for vendor 03:14 wizzyrea yes. But... I've just hatched an idea 03:14 slef but lots easier to do in hackfest 03:15 cait slef: I think my coworker has something 03:15 slef and I doubt catalyst has a selfcheck handy for hacking 03:15 cait he can simulate sip requests, probably written in python 03:15 slef yeah but debugging koha is not the problem 03:15 sekjal if the community could agree on a set of standards for 'certifying' any given training program, anyone could offer up an accreditation for a training against those standards 03:16 slef it's figuriong out what the self check sends and why 03:16 wizzyrea kansas has just struggled through that re: general library training 03:16 slef and why koha doesn't like that 03:16 cait sekjal: why do we need that? 03:16 sekjal not saying we need it 03:16 sekjal but we could do it 03:16 sekjal if we wanted to 03:16 cait but shouldn't we have a reason to do it? 03:16 wizzyrea I think it's a fine idea 03:17 cait or perhaps I don't get it 03:17 slef cait++ 03:17 sekjal our presenter brought up the idea, so at least someone out there is thinking of it 03:17 slef I almost commented when ptfs suggested ksf employing ppl to manage the community... like why do we want to pay bosses to whip us? 03:18 slef we beat ourselves up to go faster enough anyway 03:18 slef just not always in ptfs's direction 03:19 cait sounds like adding a new barrier to me 03:19 sekjal I'm just saying that if the community can agree on some general things that make a good training program, we could publish that list 03:19 cait and who will certify people in other countries? 03:19 sekjal then, if anyone does a training, someone else (anyone) can compare the program against the list to see if it jives 03:19 sekjal and anyone else can verify that verification, and so on 03:19 sekjal web of trust 03:20 cait hm, tutorials for trainers sound like a good idea 03:20 cait check lists or something 03:20 slef train the trainers 03:20 sekjal yes 03:20 wizzyrea Yea, that's handy 03:20 braedon but who will train the trainer trainers? 03:20 sekjal nengard 03:21 nengard was i just volunteered for something??? 03:21 sekjal hehe 03:21 braedon nengard, trainer of trainers 03:22 cait nengard: want a cookie? 03:22 * cait tries to distracts nengard 03:22 braedon wizzrea and cait run away... 03:25 cait iam here 03:25 * cait waves 04:13 kmkale Good morning all 04:16 braedon 'mornin 04:18 kmkale brb 04:57 kmkale Hi all 04:58 kmkale IN the enhanced content syspref it says "NOTE: if you have more than one source of cover images set up, Koha will use the first available. " but if I have Amazon AND Google cover images enabled, It displays both. How to prevent that? 05:57 chris cool, got control of the freshmeat listing of koha 05:58 kmkale hi chris 06:19 chris kmkale: it'll need a code change 06:19 chris they are pulled in by js 06:19 chris and they js doesnt really know what the other js is doing 06:19 Amit heya chris, kmkale 06:19 kmkale hi Amit 06:19 chris heya Amit 06:20 kmkale chris so the note displayed is a bug? 06:20 Amit chris: i have send some patches for analytical records have u seen? 06:20 kmkale I observed it behaves correctly by displaying only one image in staff client, but in OPAC it displays both if found 06:31 kmkale brb 06:35 chris Amit: saw them, will apply them to a branch and get colin to do qa on them after kohacon10 06:35 Amit thanx chris 07:09 mib_David what kinds of hardware server requirements do you guys use? This would be for less than 25k records. 08:07 mib_David I'm getting some strange results back when I do a catalog search. I get several records of "0: No error: : ZOOM:" as the title and the final one says "10007: Timeout: : ZOOM". What might be causing this issue? 10:28 kmkale In a retrospective conversion of bib data to Koha where would I put Invoice Date, Invoice No, Order Date, Purchase Order Number? 10:34 slef 952 subtags? 10:35 slef bbl 10:39 kmkale slef: I can accomodate Invoide Date in 952$d but what about the rest? 11:43 chris_n g'morning #koha 11:43 * chris_n misses munin 11:43 chris_n gmcharlt: ping 11:44 chris_n nm 11:44 gmcharlt chris_n: you miss munin without the crown of op-hood? 11:44 chris_n !hudson botsnack cinnamon melt 11:44 hudsonbot chris_n: you're so kind to me! I just love cinnamon melt! 11:45 chris_n gmcharlt: hehe 11:46 chris_n anyone about running fines.pl and then overdue_notices.pl who could verify the resulting notices are incorrect 11:47 * chris_n listens to the sound of the echo of his voice slowly die away in the distance 11:48 kmkale incorrect how chris_n ? I am running fines & overdue 11:48 chris_n on the first day the item is overdue, the notice shows a fine of $0.00 which is incorrect, yet the patron's account shows $0.25 which is correct 11:51 kmkale I can verify tomorrow. That library is closed for the day by now. 11:51 chris_n kmkale: thanks 11:51 chris_n me thinks there is a bug 11:53 kmkale chris_n: gmcharlt: sorry for repeating my question but In a retrospective conversion of bib data to Koha where would I put Invoice Date, Invoice No, Order Date, Purchase Order Number? 11:53 * chris_n is afraid he is not much help there 11:54 gmcharlt kmkale: such data wouldn't be embedded in the bib record; you'd need to populate tables like aqorders directly 11:55 kmkale gmcharlt: ouch! was afraid of that answer 11:56 kmkale One more on Enhanced contents syspref page it says "NOTE: if you have more than one source of cover images set up, Koha will use the first available." 11:56 kmkale but in OPAC if cover images are available from both Amazon & Google it displays both. Bug? 11:57 gmcharlt yes 11:57 gmcharlt syspref description is currently incorrect 11:57 kmkale So display of multiple images it the correct behavior? 11:59 gmcharlt define correct :) however, having it display just one image and query multiple sources, a la the syspref description, seems like more desirable behavior 12:00 kmkale somehow seems wrong. If an image is found it should stop.. chris earlier said it was one js unaware of the other & needs a code change. 12:02 gmcharlt right 12:02 gmcharlt doing some revamping of the book jacket code would be a good thing 12:06 kmkale opps in the network 12:08 kmkale gmcharlt: any chance of patch bug 4440 getting into next version? 12:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts 12:09 chris_n I'd say so 12:09 kmkale thanks chris_n 12:09 gmcharlt agreed 12:10 kmkale thanks gmcharlt 12:10 chris_n I think there are several new features already working that will be pushed rather quickly 12:31 chris_n hi schuster 12:36 schuster Hey!... pretty quiet when half the community is in the same room... ;( 12:44 * gmcharlt uses really big bullhorn to shout to New Zealand: WAKE UP 12:48 kmkale :) 13:05 kmkale its good to put faces to peoples names by looking at flicker photos 13:13 schuster Yep it is fun... I like to make comments on the picture out of context... he he he... 13:31 kmkale bye all 13:42 jcamins Good morning, #koha 14:14 brendan morning 14:14 jcamins gmcharlt: what are the changes that you're pushing into the git repository for? I mean, is HEAD still 3.2-branch or is it 3.4? 14:15 gmcharlt jcamins: bugfixes meant to be cherry-picked to 3.2.x 14:15 gmcharlt I am also pushing out new topic branches at times 14:16 jcamins I see. 14:18 jcamins Thanks. 14:43 brendan alright - I need some help with some logic here 14:43 brendan let's say I pull a record in via Z3950 and it's already got some 952's info in there 14:43 brendan in acq that is 14:44 brendan of course the extra items will not show in the opac of staff details view - but if I go to item-editor I can see all those extra items in there 14:44 brendan should a bit of logic be added somewhere? 14:45 gmcharlt it should either be stripping the 952s or creating real items 14:45 brendan a good example is here --> http://catalog.paine.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=57480 14:45 brendan look at the MARC view 14:45 gmcharlt a random Z39.50 server likely won't have 952s that mean anything to the library 14:46 gmcharlt but if a vendor is provding a MARC file of reords to order from, they potentially could be creating item records for the library 14:46 brendan right it doesn't mean anything to normal views - but going into the item-editor -it's got 10 extra items 14:47 brendan so some logic to the Add to Order for Z3950 - that it shouldn't pull in 952's ? 14:47 brendan I think that wouldn't be helpful 14:49 gmcharlt would or wouldn't? 14:49 brendan I'm not sure that's where my logic is failing me 14:50 brendan like you said - reorders or going to a vendor with Z3950 then it could be helpful to have the 952 already in there? 14:50 gmcharlt well, that's a matter for the profile that the library has set up with the materials vendor 14:50 brendan would acq even recognize a reorder (item info) in the 952 14:51 brendan so reorder don't do that in acq. but in normal staged marc records 16:02 brendan heya joetho 17:42 drulm Hello 17:48 brendan morning 17:48 drulm Are you at the conference? If so how is it? 17:48 brendan nope I'm at home in Cali 17:48 brendan someone had to stay behind :) 17:49 drulm Drat, sorry to hear that! :) Well good job holding down the fort. 17:51 brendan I hear that everyone is having a great time though 17:54 chris i think im gonna have to change a lot of statuses today 17:54 brendan from what to what? 17:54 brendan you talking git? 17:54 brendan and good morning chris 17:55 chris http://kohacon10.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=72 17:55 chris koha statuses .. to damaged :) 17:55 brendan ah - says the brown cow 17:55 chris i think a few people had big nights 17:55 brendan heh 17:55 gmcharlt lol 17:55 * chris went home and got some sleep, feeling a lot more human today 17:56 brendan create a new status - of "slighty hungover" or "this person is done" 17:56 chris heh 17:56 gmcharlt they may not appreciate that when filling out their expense forms ;) 17:56 brendan or "this person needs to shower" 17:56 chris heh 17:57 brendan for Nate - "silly little hobbit" 17:57 chris wow, kristina takes good photos 17:57 chris hehe 17:57 drulm Koha statuses, yeah 17:58 gmcharlt brendan: speaking of which, I will be very disappointed if you tell me that ByWater's office doesn't have a round door 17:58 brendan we're working on our hobbit hole 17:58 drulm The auto change feature in 3.2 for status change is going to be well liked - although can be scripted now 17:58 brendan you need to speak elfish to make it past the security 17:58 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5116627927/ 17:59 chris one of my favourite slides, what could happen if koha was proprietary 18:00 drulm chris: ouch 18:01 gmcharlt mellon! 18:01 chris brendan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113384619/ 18:01 brendan heh go nate++ 18:01 brendan almost galen 18:01 brendan how to say koha in elfish 18:01 gmcharlt brendan++ 18:02 * brendan doesn't know - I have a rfid tag to get in 18:02 brendan this in is great --> http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113980370/in/photostream/ 18:02 brendan hdl++ 18:03 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113369277/ <--- nothing like building a rod for your own back :) 18:03 brendan I like the hands in the pocket approach - I usually talk with my hands too much 18:03 chris thats magnus next to him 18:03 brendan it's better than my native american name -- "eats with hands" 18:04 chris at that table there was france, norway, us, fiji, nz and south africa 18:05 brendan http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113360017 #look at the grinning fool 18:05 chris heh 18:05 chris she does take good photos 18:05 chris right time to feed the kids 18:06 drulm OK, progress on a koha mapping project - & working on a Javascript shelf selector to allow Koha admins to put multiple different shelf markers on a map - and animate automatically without creating 50 animated Gifs 18:06 drulm Here is a video demo link: http://www.screencast.com/users/SMFPL/folders/Jing/media/28a78519-ecd2-46ba-bb2d-e5c2970c689c 18:07 drulm Started working on it, but got too caught up in the grant PC project (we landed 50 new PCs for patrons - big grant) took lots of time 18:07 drulm Questions? Comments? :) 18:07 brendan pretty cool drulm 18:08 brendan I'd have to play with it to get you any useful comments 18:09 drulm It is coming. NEU library in Turkey did this 3 years ago, but made a different custom animated gif for *each* location - So I want to make a rectangle selector to allow a library to quickly create location mapsby just showing where the shelves are and then animate the rectangles overlayed on the map 18:09 brendan yeah that sounds to be more useful - than the NEU method 18:10 drulm A collection of 50 locations could be done in an afternoon for a library with only a few maps - using the javascript library, there could even be selectable animations since they are so easy to do- librarians like choices! 18:12 jcamins [off] drulm: we like them, yes, but we don't always do so well making them in a timely fashion! 18:12 drulm Here is NEU grand: http://library.neu.edu.tr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl (click a barcode) - the current stuff I coded can do that now, but only if I want to manually create about 80 animated gifs or flash - 18:12 drulm OK, back to werk 18:19 brendan @wunder 93117 18:19 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 20.2�C (11:31 AM PDT on October 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... 18:19 jcamins @wunder 11105 18:20 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 22.5�C (2:30 PM EDT on October 26, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). 18:20 brendan ah a late start to kohacon today 18:20 brendan 10:30 NZ time 18:27 * chris_n learns how to use lynx and irssi :-) 18:27 jcamins chris_n++ # for learning super-useful tools 18:30 chris brendan: I'm going in now anyway to work on branching stuff with biblibre to get it ready for qa 18:31 brendan sweet 18:31 brendan catch you in a bit than 18:36 chris Farasat has awesome commitment 18:36 chris He's finally made it to wellington, started travelling on Friday!! 18:37 brendan oh man 18:37 jcamins Wow! 18:37 chris Stupid australian transit visas again 18:37 jcamins Did Olugbenga make it? 18:37 chris Nope :( but he skyped in 18:37 chris Was a great presentation 18:38 chris Kohacon in nigeria within the next 10 years he says :) 18:38 jcamins Yeah, I heard. 18:39 jcamins I wasn't sure if he was Skyping from Nigeria or Singapore (was it Singapore he was trying to transit through?). 18:39 chris The airline wouldn't refund him, so to go through singapore would have been another 5k us 18:40 jcamins Well, so much for my optimistic next question - "did they at least give him a refund?" 18:41 chris we are going to try and get him the transit visa, keep pushing there 18:41 chris And then he can use the ticket and we run a mini conf 18:41 jcamins Oh, that makes sense. 18:43 chris Be a shame to waste the money 18:44 jcamins It certainly would be. 18:46 jcamins chris: I'm not sure this is clear from my commit messages, but -- in case anyone wants to poke at the easy cataloging interface -- the fix for bug 5311 is needed for the interface to correctly populate the language selector. 18:46 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5311 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Language dropdown in advanced search broken? 18:46 chris jcamins: your simple cataloguing interface met with lots of approval 18:46 chris The idea of it anywya 18:46 chris In my preso 18:47 chris Ahh cool thanks 18:47 jcamins I'm glad people like the idea. 18:47 jcamins It is certainly necessary for me. 18:47 hdl jcamins: is there a demo somwhere ? 18:47 jcamins hdl: not one that works, because I haven't made it authenticate properly. 18:48 jcamins There's a mock-up here: http://demo.cpbibliography.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio-simple.pl 18:48 hdl jcamins: Do you have that on a repo ? 18:48 jcamins Of course! 18:48 jcamins http://github.com/jcamins/koha/commits/simple_cataloging 18:49 jcamins hdl: if you (or someone else from BibLibre) would check that my fix for Bug 5311 doesn't break anything for French UNIMARC Koha libraries, I'd be very grateful. 18:50 hdl is it based on pianohacker's work ? 18:50 hdl I will try and test that tomorrow 18:50 jcamins Thank you! 18:50 jcamins No, I actually started from scratch, so that I wouldn't be mindlessly copying things that weren't relevant just because I didn't understand them. 18:51 jcamins It's also written using Template::Toolkit because I figured if I was going to learn a templating system, I should learn the new one, not the old one. ;) 18:52 chris Nice! 18:52 chris Ok my stop bbiab 18:53 chris_n TT++ 18:53 chris_n jcamins++ #for using it 18:53 jcamins I also redid the authority control bit, since the code we already had was tightly coupled to the addbiblio user interface. 18:53 jcamins tightly_coupled_logic_and_ui-- 18:54 chris_n MVC_framworks++ 18:55 jcamins MVC_frameworks++ # because chris_n is absolutely right 18:56 jcamins I'm not sure what people will think of my AJAX-y authority control, but that was the easiest way I could come up with to make it work. 18:56 jcamins And that's what code review is for. 18:57 hdl thx jcamins 19:10 * chris_n goes down for a reboot 19:12 jcamins Okay, time to head downtown for a meeting before I head back uptown for another meeting. 19:12 * jcamins adds "invent teleporter device" to his to-do list 19:12 jcamins Good night, #koha 19:19 chris back 19:19 chris found farasat, had a chat got his presentation loaded, hes now off to have a look at te papa 19:21 brendan wb chris 19:28 richard hi 19:29 chris hi richard 19:29 richard hiya chris 19:29 richard good day for the visitors 19:30 brendan hey richard 19:30 richard hi brendan 20:25 slef I will get out of my room at some point. zzzz 21:04 * brendan feels like a little kid - "has kohacon started but up again - yet?" 21:05 brendan tired of waiting ;) 21:06 sekjal late start today 21:06 sekjal we're all gathering, chatting and firing up the equipment 21:09 brendan heya sekajl 21:09 brendan whoops sekjal 21:10 hdl hi brendan 21:11 brendan heya hdl 21:11 brendan you all have some success with chris 21:16 cait good morning #koha :) 21:16 sekjal morning, cait! 21:17 brendan morning cait 21:18 cait morning brendan 21:18 * brendan feels like he's the only one present who's not at #kohacon 21:18 wizzyrea_ hey peeps 21:18 * cait waves to liz 21:18 cait spud better? 21:19 wizzyrea_ yea I think he's feeling better 21:20 cait good :) 21:20 hdl brendan we miss you :) 21:20 brendan awwhh thanks :) 21:24 brendan heya bankhead 21:25 brendan there's another one who I know is not in NZ bankhead++ 21:25 brendan heya nengard 21:25 nengard hiya 21:25 chilts morning all :) 21:26 bengard morning 21:26 brendan heya bengard 21:26 bengard how are you? 21:27 brendan doing alright - tired of waiting for all you kohaians to wake up 21:27 bengard heh 21:27 bengard I could sleep more 21:27 nengard bengard's second coffee spilled all over :( 21:27 bengard I got a large sized long black from the coffee shop, then took a sip, then proceeded to drop the whole thing before getting any more 21:28 brendan actually all you kohirrim (likes the sound of that more) 21:29 bengard that conjures up images of a bunch of librarians on horses, listening to other librarians on horses speak 21:29 brendan bengard - worry that's suxy 21:29 bengard indeed 21:44 slef everyone else on wifi cafenet ok? 21:44 * slef can't connect again :-( 21:44 cait had some problems to get in, but it's ok now 21:44 cait turned wifi off/on and it worked 21:45 slef I'll reboot my phone... 21:45 slef biab 21:56 slef KOHA KHA KOHA KOAH 21:56 chris heh 21:56 slef heh, I can't type either 21:56 braedon|h slef: this wifi issue is becoming a habit - did you byte your tongue again? 21:58 slef braedon: I'm using the least upgradable foss os in the room I think. 21:58 braedon which one? 21:59 slef symbian 21:59 slef aha! I have wifi! 21:59 cait grats :) 22:01 slef ta-da! 22:01 slef but still... multinetwork++ 22:01 braedon ahh, symbian, the almost dead mobile os 22:02 slef yeah, I still can't believe how badly the foundation is screwing it up 22:02 slef what was their peak market share? >60% 22:10 slef call me stupid, but I didn't realise the presenter mic was wireless 22:11 slef I'm not used to using a mic for a lecture, as you can probably tell 22:17 chilts that was a pretty cool talk ... amazing how much use Koha has in other countries and also amazing not having known much about it before (speaking personally) 22:17 chilts use=people using it rather than use=features :D 22:17 wizzyrea_ Koha seems to meet many people's needs 22:18 wizzyrea_ and it's nice to feel like you can actually help libraries around the world while also helping yourself 22:18 wizzyrea_ a lot of times libraries get caught in the "local trap" 22:18 wizzyrea_ especially when using proprietary software... they don't think bigger than themselves 22:18 wizzyrea_ but koha lets them do that 22:19 wizzyrea_ or encourages it anyway 22:21 chris yup 22:22 chilts wizzyrea_: too true :) 22:23 chilts amazing what people can do given the starting point :) 22:24 slef so lunch for 1h10 now? 22:24 cait who is going for lunch? 22:26 chris me me me 22:26 cait yay 22:26 cait :) 22:28 yhager not sure why, but apache stopped running koha perl files for some reason. I upgraded from 3.2rc to 3.2, and it worked, but after apache restart, it didn't 22:43 slef arghhhh 22:44 slef anyone find exxample trademark mutual recognition agreements online anywhere? 22:44 slef don't really want to call lawyers but guess I should 22:55 slef think this one will do 22:56 slef will rewrite it after lunch 22:56 slef put right names in and so on 23:45 slef hihi 23:46 chris slef: ill tell don off for forgetting you 23:52 slef chris: par for the course... 23:53 slef why does the coveritlive say we're in standby mode? 23:53 chris cos i havent logged into it today, will fix 23:54 slef ok nm 23:54 slef didn't know if that = broken 23:54 slef coveritlive_jargon-- 23:54 chris yeah 23:55 slef yo magnus ! 23:55 magnus yo slef! 23:56 slef not crit, but did he just say she ended up as a library? 23:56 chris heh 23:56 slef or is my hearing buggy?