Time Nick Message 01:24 slef in auckland, having lunch at a cafe with wifi 01:27 chris yay 01:27 chris is it cafenet? :) 01:27 slef seen about 5pm tomoz 01:28 chris excellent 01:28 slef tomi at esquires? 01:28 slef where's good for free wifi? 01:28 slef hotel wifi not good in the room 01:28 chris hmm, no idea in bucklame im afraid 01:29 slef oi I'm the one on a phone not you 01:29 chris :) 01:29 chris every so often you will spot a cafe with free, but they are not the majority 01:32 chris you didnt bump into magnus? 01:32 chris i think he landed aroundish the same time as you 01:38 jransom auckland library cafe has free wifi 01:39 jransom MJ: Lee is at your hotel too 01:46 slef oic 01:46 slef magnus landed 2h before us I think 01:47 slef we were delayed by swerving to avoid a typhoon 01:47 chris ahhh 01:49 slef I've an apache server with loads of sockets stuck as syn_recv 01:49 slef :-/ 01:50 slef not got all my keys with me. not sure if I can fix it 01:50 chris stink ;( 01:51 slef jransom: airport express bus stop 3 is fine for the hotel 01:52 slef not sure if you knew 01:52 slef are chips here chips or crisps? 01:54 richard chips are chips :) 01:54 chris chips works for both hot chips (fries in americanese) and cold chips, crisps 01:54 slef and jooi what do you call the white ///// area in the middle of the road? 01:54 chris median strip 01:55 chris oh pedistrian crossing? 01:55 slef awww, not ghost island? 01:55 slef no, median bit 01:55 chris yeah median 01:56 slef finally before I screw the server... 01:56 slef what do you call the black/white post with orange ball by the zebra crossing? 01:56 richard target 01:57 chris well we dont call them zebra crossings, thats a pedistrian crossing .. and i have no idea what the post is called 01:57 chris just dont cross when richard is driving apparently 01:57 chris :) 01:57 richard actually that was in poort taste, given that a policeman did use it as a target 01:59 jransom slef: no I didn't know - but good to know :) 02:00 robin chris: we do so call them zebra crossings. 02:00 jransom not! 02:00 robin at least, in the Mainland :) 02:00 slef back home, the posts are Belisha Beacons 02:00 chris you might 02:01 chris but you guys are weird 02:01 chris :) 02:01 jransom pedestrian crossings (in Levin) 02:01 richard but down their you call luncheon sausgage belgium 02:01 jransom lol 02:01 jransom weird ... 02:01 robin richard: you're the ones with your "batches" 02:01 robin "baches" rather. 02:01 robin see, you can't even spell! 02:01 richard lol 02:03 * slef really hopes that server is just fscking 02:05 slef oh well, will check in 10 or so 02:05 slef bbl 02:12 masonj http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/nsa-cartoon-animals-lure-youth-into-the-surveillance-arts/ 02:14 pauln hi all, Should macrons display correctly on Maori terms? 02:15 masonj pauln short answer , yes 02:15 masonj if they dont its a data/encoding issue , not a display issue 02:22 pauln thanks masonj - its from a national library marc record so seems a bit odd 02:22 chris got a url pauln ? 02:23 pauln http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47391 02:23 chris ahh i think i know the problem 02:24 pauln King P�otatau is what is showing - don't even know how to type o with macron 02:24 chris yep 02:24 pauln better work on that :) 02:25 chris i think i can fix this pretty easily 02:25 pauln look at that, i came here rather than email you direct to leave you alone and you come riding along to save us anyway! 02:25 chris i just think its not setting hte right header 02:26 chris hmm or maybe not 02:26 robin Content-Type text/html; charset=UTF-8 02:27 chris nope thats messed up in the db 02:27 robin but it claims it's running on IIS, so who knows what crazy it does to things. 02:27 chris ah yeah, there is a proxy in front of it 02:27 chris that might be doing it 02:27 * chris logs in to check the record in the db 02:29 pauln also - the 245b remainder of title does not show in opac i just noticed 02:29 robin hi wizzyrea_, how's wellington been treating you? 02:29 chris pauln: <subfield code="b">an account of the life of P?otatau Te Wherowhero, the first M?aori king /</subfield> 02:29 robin Not been blown out to sea yet? 02:29 wizzyrea_ very well thanks for asking :) 02:29 wizzyrea_ today was about perfect (at last earlier when we were out) 02:29 chris so its not a display thing, it got munged somewhere along the line 02:29 chris oh you can fix that subtitle thing easy 02:29 chris if you go to admin 02:30 robin yeah, it wasn't bad when I was heading in to work. 02:30 chris then keywords to marc mapping 02:30 chris make one called 02:30 chris subtitle 02:30 chris 245 02:30 chris b 02:30 chris that should fix that 02:32 chris that record looks messed up in te puna 02:33 pauln ok, done the mapping bit 02:39 chris you pulled that record in via z3950 eh? 02:41 pauln must have, added post-training 02:41 pauln the te puna record looks ok to me 02:42 chris yeah it seems to be coming across like that 02:42 chris is there a way to search te puna from the web? 02:45 chris AH HA! 02:45 chris te puna is encoded in marc-8 02:45 chris not utf-8 02:45 chris fixinated 02:45 chris http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47391 02:45 chris hows that? 02:46 wizzyrea_ oo, pretty OPAC 02:48 wizzyrea_ hrm, there ought to be a check out override for reserves if there is at least one other item available to fill the hold 02:48 chris ? 02:48 wizzyrea_ so say you have a patron who has an item checked out 02:49 wizzyrea_ and you have 4 items total 02:49 wizzyrea_ 3 are avaliable 02:49 wizzyrea_ if that patron tries to renew it, and the reserve hasn't been assigned 02:49 wizzyrea_ it won't let them renew it, because it wants to give it to the reserve 02:50 wizzyrea_ even though there are other available items 02:57 pauln Chris - te puna link http://nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?PAGE=sbSearch&SEQ=20101021160840&PID=OidXKWLmCUeXK3jLcbXz3UTxAJHM 02:57 chris yep, fixed in the catalogue now 02:57 chris http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47391 02:58 chris te puna is encoded in marc-8 02:58 chris we were expecting utf-8 02:58 chris fixed now 02:58 jcamins_a Do other ILSes not set the LDR/whatever to indicate UTF-8 consistently? 02:59 chris that would be a no 03:00 jcamins_a Ridiculous. 03:00 chris well they often do, but then what their z3950 server hands you 03:00 chris might not match 03:00 jcamins_a So the Z39.50 server changes it? 03:01 chris basically you have to tell your z3950 client what encoding to expect 03:01 chris and it cant mix and match 03:02 chris so have mixed up records in your db, is messy when using Z3950 03:02 chris and often records lie 03:02 jcamins_a I just find the whole thing so baffling. 03:02 robin MARC needs to go away 03:02 robin and be replaced by something sane 03:03 robin and standardised. 03:03 jcamins_a You'd think the library world could get at least one thing right w/r/t languages. 03:03 chris that whole marc-8 thing .. whats that about??? :-) 03:04 robin to aid in standardisation, I'm going to make a commitment to only support MARC in ISO646 and EBCDIC from now on. 03:04 chris heh 03:04 * wizzyrea_ giggles 03:05 chris the first opac i worked on 03:05 chris for wellington city library 03:05 chris the data came out of their mainframe in EBCIDIC 03:05 chris -I 03:05 robin that must have been "fun" 03:05 chris converted it, stuffed into sybase and searched it with perl 03:06 chris ran once a night 03:06 chris was supposed to last for 2 months until their vendor gave them their web opac 03:06 chris it lasted 2 years 03:06 robin goodness 03:06 chris until they changed vendors 03:06 chris agile ... you're doing it wrong! 03:07 robin heh 03:16 pauln chris - sweet, all good 03:16 jcamins_a Okay, time to hit the hay. 03:16 jcamins_a Good night (again), #koha 03:16 chris pauln: excellent 03:16 pauln RDA is almost here to replace MARC - don't ask me anything about it but, no me cataloguer 03:17 pauln is there wifi at kohacon? 03:17 chris there sure is 03:17 chris citylink donated us 3 days of free wifi 03:18 wizzyrea_ !!! that's awesome :D 03:19 pauln are they the ones doing free wifi in cbd? 03:19 chris nope but they do www.cafenet.co.nz 03:19 chris which is cheap wifi 03:22 pauln nice one 03:24 pauln cheers chris, catch ya 03:24 chris cya later 04:09 Oak \o 04:28 slef yengh... on expensive hotel internet 04:28 slef time to fix that server :-/ 04:30 wizzyrea_ hey slef 04:30 wizzyrea_ omg, we're in the same time zone! 04:31 chris Slef can ur phone take a sim? 04:31 chris 2degrees prepay 3g is probably cheaper 04:31 chris If you can tether 04:32 slef chris: yeah, I was wondering about that, but I want this fixed in the next 45m 04:32 chris Right, as you were :) 04:32 slef any idea of price/package name? 04:32 slef as that may still be worthwhile 04:32 chris Lemme find it 04:37 chris Hmm not as goood as I remember 20 nz for 1gb 04:38 chris http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/broadbandzone-data-packs 04:38 chris But still probably cheaper than hotel nets 04:39 slef yeah, data aloways better than time for ssh 04:39 chris If you aren't watching movies unlikely to use all that 04:39 slef ta 04:40 chris Are you in the president hotel? 04:40 chris Lee was going to try to find you 04:41 slef yes, just spooke with 20mins ago 04:41 slef hence the 45min deadline ;-) 04:42 chris Ahh :) 04:42 jransom so wish I was in Auckland already 04:42 slef I think this is a lost cause 04:42 chris Ill leave you to it then 04:42 slef I don't have the ssh keys I need. 04:42 slef They're not in the file they should be. 04:42 chris Stink one 04:43 slef paging colo support now :-/ 05:01 slef @seen cait 05:01 munin slef: cait was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <cait> the messages look not so nice too and you can't show the date and time at the beginning of a message 05:03 jransom she lost somewhere between hong kong and australia and auckland 05:03 jransom due in tomorrow at about 2pm ish 05:05 slef ok ta 05:06 slef HK airport has free wifi 05:06 slef I think I might have mentioned that. 05:08 chris Wellington does too 05:18 slef ok, off downstairs 05:29 pianohack Hi #koha 05:42 wizzyrea_ hey ph :) 05:43 jransom Liz baby :) 05:44 jransom hey pianohacker 05:57 wizzyrea_ jo! hi :D 05:58 wizzyrea_ doh I missed her 05:58 wizzyrea_ I was going to show her this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizzyrea/5100808621/ 06:18 chris good photo 06:23 wizzyrea_ it's a little blurry but eh 06:25 chris yeah, not bad for a night photo from a phone 06:27 chris did you eat? 06:28 wizzyrea_ yep, we had hell pizza... not very original, but it was really good 06:28 wizzyrea_ well I should say, we had salmon, spring onion, and cream cheese pizza 06:28 wizzyrea_ not one we'd have had at home 06:28 wizzyrea_ ^.^ 06:28 chris :) 06:29 chris we get hell for pizza thursdays, so im kinda over them 06:29 chris but i do like the one with gherkins on it 06:30 wizzyrea_ ! I missed that one 06:30 wizzyrea_ very original combinations 06:32 chris cursed 06:32 chris Honey Mustard, Ham, Onions, Gherkins, Chicken, Bacon & Smoked Cheddar. 06:34 wizzyrea_ mmm ok yea that sounds yummy 06:37 chris tv is crap tonight eh 06:38 wizzyrea_ lol ya 06:41 wizzyrea_ do they run trains on sunday? 06:41 chris yup 06:41 wizzyrea_ woot. Think we'll maybe try to do the train thing then. 06:41 chris where do you want to go? 06:42 wizzyrea_ well I'm a little torn between out of town to see the country (isn't there a wine area to the north?) and a train around the harbor 06:43 chris well you gotta go round the harbour to go out to the vinyeards :) 06:43 wizzyrea_ there you go then 06:43 wizzyrea_ so that 06:43 wizzyrea_ lol 06:44 chris http://www.metlink.org.nz/journeyplanner/plan?JourneyOrigin=wellington&origin_easting=&origin_northing=&origin_type=&JourneyDestination=Martinborough%2C&destination_easting=271504463&destination_northing=599486232&destination_type=locality&departure=departafter&time=Now&date=24-10-2010&modes[]=bus&modes[]=rail&modes[]=ferry&modes[]=cablecar&submit=Go 06:44 chris bad url, but hopefully works 06:44 wizzyrea_ ohhhh journey planner 06:45 wizzyrea_ ugh. web usage fail. lol 06:45 wizzyrea_ me, not you 06:46 chris yeah, have a play with the journey planner, martinborough has the vineyards 06:46 chris hmm none of those look that good 06:47 chris greytown is a neat little town 06:47 chris good shops and restaurants 06:48 chris looks like only 1 train each way on the wairarapa line on sunday 06:49 chris but the hutt line has tons 06:49 chris so you could go to petone 06:50 chris which is quite a fun little place to look around too 06:51 wizzyrea_ really, 12 miutes by train? I don't know if I can handle that ;) 06:51 chris hehe 06:51 chris heres a plan 06:52 chris take the ferry to eastborne 06:52 chris bus to petone station 06:52 chris train back to wellington 06:52 wizzyrea_ the scale of the maps is what's getting me... nothing is really that far 06:52 wizzyrea_ but it looks like it should be 06:52 chris yeah 06:52 chris hehe 06:53 wizzyrea_ in kansas, maps with that distance mean an hour at least :P 06:53 wizzyrea_ well, what *appears* to be that distance 06:53 wizzyrea_ the scale messes with me 06:53 wizzyrea_ it's just a much smaller place :) 06:53 chris yup 06:57 wizzyrea_ this ferry? http://bit.ly/adsy7u 06:58 chris yep 06:59 chris http://eastbywest.co.nz/ <-- that one 07:00 chris http://eastbywest.co.nz/places-to-see/ 07:00 chris you could stop at the island on the way 07:08 koha_mong hello, 07:11 newnick hello, 07:11 newnick is anybody here 07:47 jransom Magnus - kiaora my friend 07:47 jransom welcome to NZ 07:48 magnus thanks jransom - it's been great so far 07:48 jransom did you have a good trip over? 07:55 magnus jransom: well... it could never be "good", i think, but it was uncomlicated, at least - unlike some, i hear 08:00 wizzyrea_ jo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizzyrea 08:09 chris heya magnus :) 08:11 magnus hi chris - we're in the same timezone (as wizzyrea said some days ago) ;-) 08:16 chris its paul ... in malaysia? 08:16 chris magnus: yeah its weird eh 08:19 magnus hiya paul_p 08:20 magnus chris: it is. and my head is starting to feel weird too, so i'll hit the hay shortly 08:20 chris yeah, its about that time 08:20 chris sleep well 08:22 slef sparkly worly world 08:23 slef whirly even 08:23 slef saw a bus going to Torbay on the walk back. That always amuses me. 08:23 slef Clevedon wines are pretty hilarious too. 08:24 paul_p hi magnus & chris & slef 08:24 slef (Clevedon is 7 miles from home. No vineyards) 08:24 paul_p klia++ 08:24 paul_p free wifi (2 hours) everywhere 08:24 paul_p take off in 4 hours. 08:24 paul_p i'm 30hours without sleeping, start to be really tired... 08:24 slef HK seems to have unlimited free wifi. 08:25 slef erm? no hotel at AMS? 08:25 paul_p french airport have a 0mn free wifi 08:25 slef Yeah, LHR has no free either 08:25 paul_p slef, yep, but I wake up a 6AM 08:25 slef but my 3g is cheap enough there 08:25 paul_p and that was 30h ago now... 08:25 slef no sleep in flight? 08:26 paul_p (could not sleep in the plane, even with an emergency exit seat) 08:26 slef aww 08:26 paul_p was 11PM in my body when we landed, so ... 08:26 paul_p (and I forget the sleeping drugs my doctor gave to me :(((( ) 08:27 slef I'm ignoring my sleep-disrupting medication today. 08:29 slef hi hdl 08:29 magnus g'night #koha 08:30 slef hdl: are you hd or just h in speech usually? 08:30 hdl hd. 08:30 hdl But usually american and foreign folks use henri only ;) 08:32 slef I will carry on confusing them then :) 08:36 chris heh 08:37 slef chris: good NZ tv now guide website? 08:37 chris hmmm 08:38 chris http://telstraclear.co.nz/residential/inhome/digital-tv/tvg-grid.cfm 08:38 slef ta 08:38 chris thats missing 2 channels 08:38 chris tv3.co.nz and c4tv.co.nz 08:38 slef oh and Emmerdale after the lunchtime news? really? 08:38 chris who have some retarded rule 08:39 chris yep, its for the 70 year olds who watch lunchtime news :) 08:39 chris theres bugger all on tonight 08:40 hdl hi from Kuala Lumpur 08:40 slef chris: http://bleb.org/tv/channel.html?ch=itv1 08:40 chris heya hdl 08:40 slef while talking about retarded rules 08:40 chris yeah tv3 and c4 must have some rule about that 08:40 chris too 08:41 chris actually if you are in hotels 08:41 chris http://www.skytv.co.nz/tv-guide.aspx 08:41 chris you probably have sky 08:42 slef we seem to have a bizarre mix here 08:42 slef one two three six prime dw-tv bvn tv5 08:43 chris ahhh, freeview 08:43 slef http://www.presidenthotel.co.nz/test/tp.html says different channels to what is on the very slow tv 08:44 slef It's a Lifestylepanel. 08:44 slef I suspect that is because you have to plan your life around its boot time. 08:44 slef MSIE inside 08:45 chris ahhh yeah 08:46 chris http://www.freeviewnz.tv/whats_on_freeview/tv_guide <-- like that? 08:52 slef chris: yeah, about half of that. 08:58 chris those are all the free to air ones 09:02 slef oh other thing that was worrying to see: NZ imports the Jeremy Kyle show??? 09:14 paul_p hdl should not say "hi from KL", but "Hi from KL business class lounge, where I am on a comfortable chair, could take a shower, while Paul is in economy, on an uncomfortable chair in the airport". But I agree that would be longer :D 09:15 paul_p chris, about ? 09:15 hdl paul_p: that's just an unexpected Happy Birthday from circomstances ;) 09:16 * si wanders by 09:16 paul_p yes ! I forgot that : Happy Birthday once again hdl !!! 09:17 si paul: you're on your way to Wellington? 09:19 paul_p si, nope. On the way to Auckland. 09:19 paul_p we are in Kuala Lumpur, after many events ! 09:19 si woo, cool 09:19 paul_p -hdl tickets cancelled by company 09:19 * si lived in KL for several years as a boy 09:19 paul_p - france on strike, missing our AMS<>KL 09:20 si paul: but you'll be in Wellington next week? 09:20 paul_p - we could have had a problem with my luggage, it was not supposed to be given to me in KL, but I saw it by chance when passing near the baggage drop ! 09:20 paul_p si, yep, of course ;-) 09:20 si heh 09:20 si splendid 09:21 chris hi paul_p 09:21 si I can categorically state that it will not be as warm as KL here :-) 09:21 chris hehe 09:21 paul_p NZ++ 09:21 paul_p and conditionned air is really cold everywhere, so we get hot/cold/hot/cold 09:23 paul_p hi chris. I want your opinion about the 2008-2009 history of Koha. do you think I should speak of the events with ptfs/ll ? I plan to do something like : "title => Houston, we have a problem" and explain in a few lines what happends, and why it has slowed the project (lot of time spent instead of happy hacking) 09:25 chris i think maybe very briefly 09:25 chris patrick jones is no longer coming 09:26 chris but jane wagner is instead 09:26 si Copyright 2005-2006 Ookla 09:26 si Calculates the size of a HTTP Request. 09:31 slef [off] we wondered at dinner who from ptfs would be coming 09:32 slef It's blooming freezing in bucklame president but I think I have figured out the heating. 09:33 chris [off] well when it became clear that we wouldnt be dropping everything to talk to patrick about the foundation, we no longer rated sending management 09:34 slef where should I email my slides? 09:34 slef not absolutely final but I would like to get something saved 09:35 chris kristina at catalyst or chrisc at catalyst 09:35 * paul_p happy with the idea to see jwagner, but don't know (or fear to know) where all this ...(silence here) ... will go :\ 09:37 slef so does this mean I should drop the section of my session on the future of koha-community.org? 09:37 slef ;-) 09:39 slef catalyst.co.nz? 09:39 chris net 09:40 slef net or net.nz? 09:41 chris net.nz :) 09:41 slef oh oops - from line on that will be wrong, so please let me know here :) 10:01 chris you sent it to me slef ? 10:02 * chris is falling asleep, so ill let you know in the morning when it makes it through the greylisting or whatever has caught it 10:04 chris oh there it is 10:05 chris cool, now im going to sleep 11:46 Brendan-O morning :) 11:59 jcamins_a Morning. 11:59 Brendan-O morning jcamins_a 11:59 jcamins_a !!! 12:00 jcamins_a Looks like Amit was pretty busy! 12:00 jcamins_a Amit++ 12:26 Brendan-O @wunder 93117 12:26 munin Brendan-O: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.5�C (5:36 AM PDT on October 21, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). 12:26 Brendan-O @wunder -help 12:26 munin Brendan-O: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 12:30 jcamins Hm. First item on my to-do list is figuring out how to duplicate input boxes. 12:33 jcamins I think maybe I'll move that to later in my to-do list. 12:56 jcamins Wow. C4::Languages is impressively confusing. 13:08 brendan So I guess I was talking in my sleep lastnight - I woke up my wife by saying 13:09 schuster jwagner is going to NZ? 13:09 brendan "How much for a MARC record? 2 dollars!!! that's ridiculous!! They should be free!" 13:09 braedon|1 hahaha 13:09 braedon|1 you better be serious brendan 13:09 schuster someone is really proud of their work... 13:09 brendan I guess I kept talking about MARC records - so much that She had to get up and turn the light on for me to stop talking 13:09 jwagner schuster, yes I am, last minute decision as of yesterday. 13:10 * jwagner is VERY busy getting things organized to go.... 13:10 brendan then I said - wow that's extreme and rolled over and kept sleeping 13:10 schuster Enjoy! wish there was a last minute decision like that around here, but since my passport has expired I doubt that would work! 13:11 jwagner My passport is about the only thing that IS ready. But I ticked off a lot of errands yesterday. Still a bunch more to go. 13:12 * jwagner is so distracted this morning that I made my second cup of tea with cold water -- guess we're having iced tea.... 13:12 jcamins Woohoo! I successfully read the list of languages from the database! 13:20 brendan have a fun trip jwagner!!! hopefully the plane ride treats you ok and you don't have too difficult of time :) 13:21 braedon|1 and don't sleep talk about marc records on the plane :) 13:22 jwagner It's going to be rough. I'm getting handicapped assistance through the various airports, but my arthritic legs aren't going to like that much time in a plane seat. 13:22 jwagner Dunno about sleep talking, but many years back, when I was managing a migration from an old ILS to Unicorn, I was dreaming in MARC record format by the end of the project. I can think of better things to dream about. 13:23 * braedon|1 dreams about uni projects and assignments 13:23 braedon|1 i imagine it will only get worse with work projects :P 13:24 braedon|1 spending the entire night planning out intricate details of an assignment, and then waking up to find it is all nonsense is, well, interesting 13:24 jcamins Why I am I getting an array reference from GetRecordValue? 13:25 jcamins Does that make sense? I don't think it does. 13:25 brendan yeah I can't believe $2dollars for a MARC record and that's nonsense this morning ;) 13:26 jwagner Actually I get some of my best solutions in dreams :-) If I'm struggling with a script or something, I often wake up about 2 AM thinking, oh, THAT'S how to fix it. 13:26 brendan sounds like jcamins is talking in his sleep 13:27 braedon|1 sometimes takes me upwards of half an hour to sort out exactly what i have planned is actually usable, and what is based on some fantasy version of the assignment - not good when the assignment in question is due in a couple of hours 13:27 jcamins brendan: sadly not. 13:28 jcamins I have a keyword mapping 'city'->260a, but when I use GetRecordValue to retrieve it, I get an array reference. 13:28 jcamins When I try to dereference the array, I get nothing. 13:34 jcamins Okay, so according to ref it's an array of an array of a hash. 13:38 * jcamins hates Perl variables 13:38 jcamins Everything is type '$' 13:41 jcamins Okay, supposedly GetRecordValue returns an array of hashes. 13:41 jcamins A shame it doesn't appear to do that when I call it. 13:42 jcamins Except when I try to dereference it, it tells me it's not a hash value. 13:47 * jcamins has decided he doesn't like C4. 13:51 jwagner jcamins, that's a potentially explosive statement :-) 13:54 jcamins Yes, I know. 13:54 jcamins But it seems that C4 is tightly coupled to the template system we use. 13:55 braedon|1 and if you disconnect the couplings in the wrong order, the device will be triggered? 13:56 jcamins I think so, yes. 13:56 * braedon|1 votes for the red wire 13:57 braedon|1 (so long as you change your mind at the last second, you should be fine) 13:58 * jcamins bangs his head on the table 13:59 jcamins Interesting fact: the limited comments in C4 are often misleading or wrong. 14:00 braedon|1 positive thinking jcamins - remeber, if you want it hard enough, you can do anything 14:00 braedon|1 those comments are the negative thinkgers 14:00 braedon|1 thinkers even 14:01 braedon|1 always trying to bring you down 14:01 braedon|1 don't let them lead you astray! 14:01 braedon|1 read the code, understand the code, BE the code! 14:02 jcamins I think that this is a hash. 14:02 jcamins Unfortunately, apparently Perl disagrees. 14:02 jcamins The Template Pro agrees with me, however. 14:06 braedon|1 alas, my "usefulness" re perl is currently limited to motivational comments 14:07 jcamins Okay, Perl is convinced this is not a hash reference. 14:08 jcamins It says it's an array. 14:10 jcamins Ah ha. 14:10 jcamins It's an array of an array of a hash, and Perl won't let you access it directly. 14:12 jcamins I have successfully extracted "New York." 14:20 jcamins my @cities = GetRecordValue('city', $record, GetFrameworkCode($biblionumber)); 14:20 jcamins my $city = shift @cities; 14:20 jcamins print @$city[0]->{'subfield'}; 14:20 jcamins exit; 14:20 jcamins Hm. That didn't work. 14:21 jcamins If anyone wants to retrieve the value from GetRecordValue directly, the code for that is $whatever[0][0]->{'subfield'} with $whatever declared as an array. 14:29 jcamins Do you put subroutine definitions at the top or bottom of a a file? 14:33 brendan I think usually practice is at the end 14:33 brendan bottom 14:34 jcamins Okay, thanks. 15:04 brendan ah which table are lists stored in? 15:09 jcamins virtualshelfcontents? 15:10 jcamins How come scalar() is returning an array reference? 15:20 jcamins I think Perl didn't use pointers? 15:23 jcamins *thought 15:31 jcamins Does anyone here understand Perl arrays? 15:40 * jcamins remembers why he hates working with Perl. 16:01 jcamins Okay, this can wait until NZ wakes up. 16:01 jcamins Two hours and I've made no progress. 16:05 gmcharlt jcamins: one trick is to use Data::Dumper; 16:05 gmcharlt then Dumper($foo) will print the structure of a variable that is a reference 16:06 schuster gmcharlt - you going to NZ? 16:06 gmcharlt schuster: no; I'll be attending the conference is spirit, as it were 16:07 * jwagner will hoist a glass for gmcharlt, in the spirit 16:09 schuster Stuck here with the rest of us US unable to leave the country! Now I don't feel so bad! 16:14 jcamins gmcharlt: I'll try that. 16:14 jcamins Actually, I think I'll make this save MARC records first. 16:16 jcamins Now I just have to figure out whether someone's hit the "Submit" button or not. 16:17 jcamins Is it just me or does the Perl documentation make exactly no allowance for people who don't already know how to do what they want to do? 16:17 jcamins I decided to give up. 16:17 jcamins Sorry, wrong window. 16:17 gmcharlt jcamins: that's what the Camel book is for 16:17 jcamins (the giving up bit... that was about another project) 16:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I shall have to get a copy then. 17:17 brendan schuster you a rangers fan? 18:05 chris gah this weather is disgusting 18:05 chris @wunder wellington nz 18:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 22, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 18:05 brendan morning chris 18:05 brendan @wunder 93117 18:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.6�C (11:15 AM PDT on October 21, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady). 18:05 brendan not too much better here 18:05 wizzyrea_ @wunder Lawrence, ks 18:06 munin wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.7�C (1:17 PM CDT on October 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling). 18:06 chris we are getting 70kmph gusts 18:06 wizzyrea_ hrmph. 18:06 chris wizzyrea_: its a southerly, straight from antartica ... we want it to change to a northerly 18:06 wizzyrea_ I'll order that rigt up 18:06 wizzyrea_ right* 18:07 chris http://www.metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/maps/tasman-sea-nz-colour-latest 18:07 chris that high is taunting us 18:08 wizzyrea_ heh yea it is 18:09 chris what time does the tour start? 18:09 wizzyrea_ 1:30 18:10 chris ahhh 18:10 brendan what tour? 18:10 chris it might blow itself out by then 18:10 chris fingers crossed 18:10 chris i can see blue to the south 18:10 wizzyrea_ lotr tour 18:10 wizzyrea_ :) 18:10 brendan oh man - so jealous 18:11 chris im gonna say 2 hours the rain will be gone 18:11 brendan lotr++ 18:11 wizzyrea_ says the guy from bywater :) 18:11 brendan YAY!!! 18:11 chris so 9.22am ... lets see how wrong i am 18:11 brendan just reading --> http://ur1.ca/254b4 from ranginui tweets 18:12 wizzyrea_ yup, it's a big deal here 18:12 wizzyrea_ like, huge 18:12 chris imho its Warner brothers being dicks 18:12 wizzyrea_ stupid americans >.> 18:12 wizzyrea_ afk a min 18:13 chris this bit gives it away "It had been agreed the ban would be lifted on Monday. Warner Bros had asked to consult about how it would be announced, but had not issued a press release so Actors' Equity lifted the ban yesterday. " 18:13 brendan wizzyrea_ let me know when you post pics from your tour :) 18:14 chris bbiab 18:14 wizzyrea_ supposedly they have elf ears in the vans so you can "be the elf you are" 18:15 wizzyrea_ def will do brendan. I'm putting most things on flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/wizzyrea 18:16 brendan oh man elf ears 18:17 brendan I need to sign off soon - I can't handle the suspense of waiting to see your pics 18:17 brendan spud with elf ears!!! woohooo! 18:17 wizzyrea_ lol 18:20 brendan :sigh: 18:20 brendan I should of gone to Kohacon 18:30 jcamins brendan: you know, I never made the connection to LotR before. 18:30 brendan heh - yup bywater - that small community meeting place in the shire 18:31 brendan prancing pony is there IRC 18:31 jcamins Green Dragon, I think. 18:31 jcamins Prancing Pony is in Bree. :) 18:32 jcamins Hey, there's a "List of Middle-earth inns" on Wikipedia. 18:43 schuster brendan - when in Texas and the local team is winning EVERYONE is a Rangers fan. It is red and blue day at work tomorrow. 18:46 brendan cool hopeing the rangers bet them bums (yanks) 19:00 schuster Yep! 19:02 schuster sql question - I want to find things that have booksellerid like "%PO%" but not booksellerid like "%BOND%" 19:02 schuster any hints? 19:05 slef just as you wrote but s/but/and/ and ' instead of " 19:05 slef might be a more optimised way of writing it - iDunno 19:06 schuster Guess I wrote it almost correct anyway! booksellerid like "%PO%" not booksellerid like "%BOND%" 19:06 brendan like '' and not like ''; 19:06 schuster yes anyway That wasn't in my mysql book in a nutshell! 19:08 brendan @seen sekjal 19:08 munin brendan: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 day, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <sekjal> ok, time to find my gate. cheers, all! 19:09 brendan sekjal has got to be getting close 19:09 brendan @seen nengard 19:09 munin brendan: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <nengard> collum sent a reminder email - let me know if you get it 19:17 CGI903 Buenas tardes 19:18 CGI748 Buenas tardes me gustaria saber como emito un listado de materias en el sistema 19:22 CGI748 traducción del español al inglés 19:22 CGI748 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system 19:26 richard hi 19:39 brendan heya richard 19:39 richard hi brendan 19:43 slef anyone know a good bakery in central auckland? :-) 19:45 chris from what i remember theres not a lot of anything in central auckland 19:47 slef I might stroll out towards mt eden then 19:47 chris ah yeah there are a couple of decent places out there 19:48 chris sleep well? 19:48 slef yeah fine. oddly, a +12 jump seems easier than a +5 19:49 chris yep 19:49 chris i found europe easier to adjust to than the us 19:49 slef Maybe it's just that NZ is more euro than US ;-) 19:49 chris that could be it :) 19:52 CGI818 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system 19:53 CGI818 Buenas tardes me gustaria saber como genero un reporte de las materias o descritores tematicos en el sistema 19:59 slef biab - food time 20:18 CGI858 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system 20:19 CGI858 Buenas tardes me gustaria saber como generar un reporte de descriptores tematicos en Koha 20:33 fcapo Hello, I have a problem : in my koha instance, if I activate EnhancedMessagingPreferences and then try to configure a patron category, I get an empty "Default messaging preferences for this patron category" table. 20:39 fcapo It seems my message_attributes table is empty and EnhancedMessagingPreferences needs it. 20:40 CGI550 Buenas tardes 20:40 rhcl_away Everybody: a lot of the people that could normally help with questions are in New Zealand for the Koha Conference. 20:41 fcapo oh, good to know... :/ 20:41 rhcl_away It's probably OK to go ahead and ask questions, but responses may be a little slow for a while. 20:41 chris fcapo: it might be better to mail the list 20:42 chris as yeah, most of us are busy with last minute things 20:42 chris (like writing my presentation) 20:42 CGI550 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system 20:42 fcapo ok, no problems 20:45 CGI550 Buenas tardes me pueden indicar como generar un reporte de materias ingresadas al sistema? 20:58 brendan CGI550 --> http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 20:58 brendan try looking there and see if you can't find some information 21:01 CGI550 thanks 21:06 chris cait is in sydney 21:08 gmcharlt chris: any last minute translations? 21:09 chris lemme just quickly check 21:10 magnus auckland city library yay! 21:10 chris :) 21:10 chris free wifi? 21:11 magnus yup! 21:11 magnus hey, they should be using koha... 21:12 chris yeah, not III 21:12 chris sekjal needs to show them his presentation 21:12 chris gmcharlt: just committed the changes 21:12 chris norwegian and spanish 21:12 gmcharlt thanks much 21:12 chris so if you want to pull from the translation branch on workbuffer 21:13 chris you'll grab them 21:13 CGI550 buenas tardes como puedo generar un reporte de subject 21:14 CGI550 es decir libros ingresados al sistema 21:16 CGI550 podrian indicarme en que tabla de la base de datos de Koha se almacena los subject de los libros catalogados ? 21:17 CGI550 could tell me that table Koha database stored the subject of the books entered into the system? 21:20 CGI550 I want to generate a list through a mysql query 21:20 hudsonbot Starting build 74 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:20 richard CGI550 this might help - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 21:22 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into to-push <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdd1f81fc119b2ae18b26c60144cb4446af35b96> / Translations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9aabbee5461bcf0cd03c4968524c7d88f9ae48d> 21:23 magnus hiya wizzyrea_ 21:23 wizzyrea_ hi there 21:26 CGI550 thanks richard 21:26 CGI550 :) 21:27 hudsonbot Project Koha build (74): SUCCESS in 7 min 59 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/74/ 21:27 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Translations 21:51 darling http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/4263177/Sunny-outlook-for-Labour-weekend 21:51 wizzyrea_ just in time for us to be inside at kohacon ;) 21:52 chris heh 21:52 darling yeah, it's been a little nasty past day or so 21:52 darling we'll want it to be nice for lunchtimes 22:32 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing a double count of a developer and adding a new one to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1896508f93054115ef65ddcb00a5b233bf9a027f> / Bug 4305 - prevent errors when handling invalid ISBN13 values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e81bc5ce81c594e71379df1168fd99d4062cea4f> 22:34 hudsonbot Starting build 75 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:42 hudsonbot Project Koha build (75): SUCCESS in 7 min 54 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/75/ 22:42 hudsonbot * Robin Sheat: Bug 4305 - prevent errors when handling invalid ISBN13 values 22:42 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Fixing a double count of a developer and adding a new one to the history 22:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13 22:43 chris Nate: you are in nz already!! 22:43 Nate Yessiree! 22:43 * gmcharlt pouts 22:43 chris sweet, where you at? 22:43 Nate Nomad backpackers 22:44 chris cool, ill be dropping ian off there later today 22:44 Nate Need to find food soon or I'll be on the news 22:44 wizzyrea_ "crazy american tries to eat raw fish from harbor" 22:44 chris ahh, 2 secs lemme check what my wife is up to, if she isnt coming into town i could meet you for lunch 22:45 Nate Great! 22:46 chris ahh, she is coming in .. rain cheque! 22:46 chris ill see you later today anyway im sure 22:46 Nate Sounds good 22:46 Nate What time are you dropping by here? 22:46 chris they land at 3.10 22:46 chris so prolly 4.30ish 22:47 chris by the time clear customs etc 22:47 Nate Cool I'll make sure im here 22:47 chris sweet 22:47 Nate Off for sustenance 22:47 chris if you head out the hostel, turn right, then right 22:47 chris too late :) 22:48 darling lunch now anybody? 22:48 chris im being picked up 12.30, so ill pass 22:50 chris nate is wandering around cuba street somehwere :) 22:50 jcamins chris: that sounds like a good place to find food... 22:51 chris it is 22:51 jcamins How is my desk a mess again? 23:33 cyrixbmx Why in Koha when I have a double quote in my sentence I can not translate de sentence in my file .po? Exemple : in the file fr-CA-pref.po I have the following string : msgid "enhanced-content.pref#AmazonEnabled# data from Amazon on the staff interface (including reviews and \"Search Inside\" links on item detail pages). This requires that you have signed up for and entered an access key." 23:33 cyrixbmx But since there is double quote in the string, koha can not translate the sentend with : msgstr "les donn�es d'Amazon sur l'interface professionnelle (y compris les critiques et les liens \"Recherche interne\" sur les pages de d�tails de l'ouvrage). Ceci n�cessite une demande de cl� d'acc�s et la saisie de cette m�me cl�." 23:36 cyrixbmx hmmm I will go sleep then if someone know the response he can to reply me in private :) thanks 23:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5303 Overdue notices subject is improperly encoded <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a7bb77e4fcd7ad78ef7ba6f984ef69fccd8a163> 23:48 slef @seen magnus 23:48 munin slef: magnus was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <magnus> hiya wizzyrea_ 23:49 hudsonbot Starting build 76 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:57 hudsonbot Project Koha build (76): SUCCESS in 7 min 42 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/76/ 23:57 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5303 Overdue notices subject is improperly encoded 23:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5303 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Overdue notices subject is improperly encoded