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22:43 slef unfortunately, the demolition machinery is also demolished, but you can't have everything
22:43 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4248356/Severe-aftershock-hits-Christchurch 5.0 it is
22:43 chris h
22:43 chris he
22:43 robin I guess that's going easier than they expected
22:43 robin and the next article on stuff is "Demolition of one of Christchurch's most famous buildings, Manchester Courts, is underway."
22:42 chris oh no, thats it it 11.32am .. cool
22:41 chris http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html
22:41 chris actually no, that might be one before it
22:40 chris http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/latest.html
22:40 robin ah right
22:40 chris thats a lot better than 6 :)
22:40 chris ahh, gns are saying 5
22:39 cait :(
22:38 slef :-/
22:37 chris yup
22:37 robin GNS hasn't said yet how strong it is (according to Stuff,) but the boxes on the map look like 6 or more.
22:33 chris http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html
22:32 chris 6 is what im hearing
22:32 robin On the "how down is geonet" earthquake scale, it must be fairly severe.
22:30 chris another biggish quake in christchurch
22:28 robin I'm not sure, but 2.4kW sounds like a lot for a hairdryer.
22:27 slef robin: so I'm expecting less powerful hairdryers and slower kettles.
22:26 robin It's more that's what things are rated for, unless they have a need for more.
22:26 robin slef: that's the standard, yeah.
22:16 slef NZ power supply is 10A? wimpy
22:05 robin The UPS nearby is reporting 233 at the moment
22:04 slef yay for EU fudging
22:04 slef I think we're nominally 220, often 230-240
22:04 robin 230-240 or something like that
22:03 slef oh are you 220v?
22:02 robin as you were then
22:02 robin ah, you're UK. I assumed you were in the US for some reason.
22:01 slef robin: I thought you celebrated guy fawkes too?
22:01 chris :)
22:01 robin slef: also make sure that it won't explode in a ball of flaming laptop if it gets exposed to real voltage :)
22:01 slef ok, I'll probably decide this depending on how much cabin baggage space/weight I have left :)
22:00 slef chris: you don't know how often I nuke that machine ;-)
22:00 robin the pins aren't bent, just rotated :)
22:00 slef you need some nice chunky rectangular pins
22:00 slef looks decidedly unsafe
21:59 slef AUS/NZ bent pin thingy
21:59 chris we will be using the training room, which has laptops, but its always more productive on your own machine
21:59 robin then you're sorted :)
21:59 slef robin: we have world power adaptors!
21:59 robin slef: assuming you have an NZ power adaptor
21:59 slef ok... I think battery capacity sucks anyway
21:59 chris its at catalyst
21:58 chris yes
21:58 slef The battery connector is dodgy. Will there be power there?
21:58 chris but if you have a laptop, id bring it
21:57 chris some
21:57 chris 3-day developer conference, 29 October - 31 October
21:57 slef like, are there computers there?
21:57 chris yeah like 2 mins before
21:57 slef erm, a bit running out of time
21:57 slef "More details will be availble as we get closer to the time"
21:57 chris ?
21:56 * slef checks details
21:56 slef argh! hackfest!
21:35 chris no worries
21:34 mib_kggqy yeah, thanks for the help!
21:34 chris glad it was something simple like that
21:34 chris yay!
21:33 mib_kggqy yep
21:33 chris and now you can issue it?
21:33 chris sweet
21:33 mib_kggqy i just clicked edit and save and then it was showing a value for the home library field
21:33 chris cool
21:33 chris ahh
21:33 mib_kggqy i guess since there was only one value for the option field, it was showing by default my single library
21:32 mib_kggqy yes, that was the problem
21:32 chris ie in the branch set up, is there one that matches the code that is in permanent location?
21:31 chris does that branch exist?
21:31 chris thats permanent location
21:31 mib_kggqy is there a marc field for this?
21:31 chris it
21:31 chris ahhh that'd do
21:31 mib_kggqy but if i view the item in admin , the home library field under item information is blank
21:31 chris im guessing maybe borrower then
21:30 mib_kggqy current location and permanent location are set
21:30 mib_kggqy well
21:28 chris im guessing that somewhere its not getting a branchcode
21:28 chris (it uses the branchcode of either the item or the one you have set in circulation, to decide on the issuing period)
21:27 chris items have a home and current location set for them?
21:27 chris hmm, well i have 4 libraries running it in production, and they would have killed me by now if that was happening to them .. so we now just have to figure out what is different :)
21:25 mib_kggqy chris: no it happens when i try to check out anything
21:24 chris and it only happens if the item has a hold on it?
21:24 chris hmm, so not that then
21:23 mib_kggqy chris: i have it set to "allow patrons to select their branch.."
21:21 chris i wonder if that might be it, do you have single branch mode switched on?
21:20 mib_kggqy chris: yep, i only have one branch though
21:20 chris hmm, and you have a branch set?
21:19 mib_kggqy koha version is latest git
21:19 mib_kggqy hey guys, i'm getting the following error when trying to check an item out that i have on hold http://pastebin.com/SSiANypz
20:58 slef hrm, TV claims French short-haul flights disrupted tomorrow. Hope paul_p and hdl are OK.
20:57 slef back
20:45 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (1:57 PM PDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
20:45 brendan @wunder 93117
20:38 cait good night jcamins
20:38 jcamins Good night, #koha
20:38 jcamins Time to set the type for my wedding announcements!
20:36 chris heh
20:35 * moodaepo might not be in Wellington but got close enough with the weather.
20:34 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.8�C (3:45 PM CDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.11 in 985.7 hPa (Falling).
20:34 moodaepo @wunder 56001
20:34 munin cait: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:34 cait @wunder auckland nz
20:33 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
20:33 cait @wunder wellington nz
20:22 jcamins I shall have to consider whether I care that much.
20:22 chris ah right
20:21 jcamins No, I thought it did by default, and I have confirmed it doesn't.
20:21 chris you've changed the zebra files and reindexed eh?
20:21 * jcamins shrugs - well, it won't search $7 no matter what I do.
20:20 chris well we told it too ... but im not sure why ;)
20:19 jcamins Is it supposed to do that?
20:18 chris yeah i think its doing left truncation
20:18 jcamins "att" does not.
20:17 jcamins Interesting fact (unrelated to prepositions): when you search for "aat" in the authorities on the Staff Client, it returns records with "at."
20:16 cait thx
20:15 chris at
20:15 cait in?
20:15 cait at the hotel...
20:15 cait he arrives some hours before me
20:15 chris ahh
20:15 cait in the hotel in nz
20:14 chris or not until nz?
20:14 chris you'll see him on the plane?
20:13 cait ah, now I missed magnus
20:10 magnus thanks
20:09 chris cya magnus :) safe travels
20:09 * magnus wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day of their choice - see some of y'all real soon now!
20:08 chris :-)
20:08 chris you can basically trace all the worlds problems back to accountants
20:07 brendan ok I should adjust my statement - charging fines is so bunk
20:07 chris but some accountant
20:07 chris im betting it wasnt a librarian
20:07 brendan man - what brilliant librarians idea was it - to charge fines (personally I can't stand fines)
20:06 chris :)
20:06 * magnus all packed and ready to go
19:52 jcamins MARC: an elegantly simple metadata standard ruined by unfair requirements that it describe real works and not hypothetical perfect works.
19:51 * jwagner notes that some of my best friends are hardcore catalogers
19:51 jwagner MARC: an intensely complex metadata standard designed to confuse everyone in the world except hardcore catalogers who can't see what the problem is.
19:51 chris ahhh :)
19:50 jcamins chris: oh, no, my goal is just to provide a convenient reading list.
19:50 chris you're a hero!
19:50 chris if you can explain MARC in one post
19:49 chris heh
19:49 jcamins I also need to write my posts on Git, maybe Vim, patches/diff, Perl, XSLT, HTML/CSS/JavaScript, SQL, Zebra/Z39.50/Bib-1/CQL/PQF, MARC, and maybe IRC.
19:40 jcamins Oh, right. Someone on one of my cataloging mailing lists said "I really want to use Koha, but I don't know anything about Linux," so I thought it was time to finish up the blog post.
19:39 cait hm. swap.
19:39 cait ironing
19:39 cait blog
19:39 jcamins cait: gee, thanks, what did I do?
19:39 chris have you packed yet cait ?
19:38 cait jcamins++
19:30 richard hey chris
19:27 chris hi richard
19:25 richard hi
18:59 chris My stop bbiab
18:58 leo sorry rebuild
18:58 leo with a cron
18:58 leo i m running only the rebuil_zebra.pl -v-r-a-b
18:57 leo 3.00.06
18:55 chris Oh and what version of koha?
18:55 chris And you indexed the authorities eh?
18:53 leo the search in the topical items doesn´t work too
18:41 leo ah ok just gime me a second
18:40 leo yes
18:40 jcamins leo: in the cataloguing module. I meant, are you able to authorize Topical terms?
18:40 chris And are using zebra?
18:39 leo jcamins where I can find it?
18:38 * chris clocks in from the bus
18:38 jcamins Does it find when you try to authorize 650s?
18:37 leo Personal name
18:37 leo in marc100
18:37 leo doesn´t find any
18:36 jcamins leo: Koha doesn't find any of your authorities, or just not new authorities?
18:33 leo i mean i have authorities but koha don't find them
18:33 leo i'm having problems with the authorities search when adding a new item (I run the merge_authority.pl & the don't merge OFF)
18:32 cait hi leo
18:31 leo hi to everybody!
18:26 chris Ok time to catch my bus
18:26 chris :)
18:26 slef nah, I'll ask the lazyweb now ;-)
18:25 chris So we can ask her :)
18:25 chris Presenting
18:25 chris We have someone from openlibrary ie archive.org
18:25 chris Luckily
18:25 slef probably someone (archive.org? sf.net? gnu.org?) hosts community torrent trackers these days
18:24 chris Reed is trying to get some 2degrees sponsorship,/its pretty unlikely tho
18:24 * cait offers jcamins a lebkuchen
18:24 chris That might work slef
18:23 jcamins I guess it wasn't that exciting.
18:23 jcamins It opened up a new window for the results, and then when I tried choosing an authority, a bunch more windows opened up, and nothing happened.
18:23 jcamins cait: yeah.
18:22 slef chris: cool. I'll ask BR if he can collect a DVD off me at the airport, and/or should we host a torrent tracker? We used to do that for some things. Not sure if we still have the service up.
18:21 cait did it explode?
18:20 jcamins Hm. Don't hit Shift-Enter when you're using the auth_finder.
18:19 * jcamins wonders, sometimes, whether normalizing his authorities isn't a fool's errand
18:16 * jcamins , too
18:15 * chris_n will look forward to digesting it afterwards
18:14 chris Which we'll burn to dvd for ppl to take back to offer for download in their countries
18:13 chris To dv
18:13 chris We do plan to professionally record it all
18:13 chris That might be workable
18:12 chris If you could stream to an nz box, that repeated it
18:12 chris International transit is the kicker
18:11 chris We should have wifi, but yeah saturating it won't make ppl happy
18:11 tcohen cait: thank, i'll see haw can I do it
18:09 * chris_n impatiently waits for 11.6 million lines of logs to process
18:08 chris_n slef: I think it is a cost-of-bandwidth issue iirc
18:08 tcohen I have 2k registers I need to delete, they can be catched with a WHERE clause over biblioitems
18:07 cait and rebuild index
18:07 cait tcohen: check for existing items too and in old issues etc. perhaps better move them to deleted_...?
18:07 slef sorry, bambuser.com/m/channels/mjray
18:06 cait I think the problem is histories and items
18:06 slef nengard: oic. FWIW I have one phone setup to broadcast to bambuser.com/m/mjray and I know there's another phone I could ask to use.
18:05 tcohen is it ok to: (1) save a list of biblionumbers from biblioitems (2) delete them, (3) delete those biblionumbers from 'biblio' ?
18:04 nengard slef it sounds like wifi might be iffy
18:04 slef I've got something really odd going on - I can't POST web forms.
18:04 tcohen just in mind
18:04 tcohen I can read the koha code for that, just asking jic someone has "the proper way of doing it"
18:04 slef and if it has wifi, will I upset them streaming video out? :)
18:03 jcamins tcohen: I think there's probably an obvious way, but I'm not sure what it is.
18:03 slef chris_n: aren't we live streaming? (does the venue have wifi?)
18:03 tcohen for example every record whose itemtype is "SER"
18:02 jcamins Ah.
18:02 tcohen exactly
18:02 tcohen yes, but I have a lot
18:02 jcamins Or do you mean you have a lot to delete?
18:02 jcamins tcohen: Record->Delete Record?
18:01 tcohen hi, how can I efectively delete several biblios from a koha install?
17:52 cait ok
17:49 jcamins cait: joetho was joking that Mr. wizzyrea is in NZ to take care of Baby wizzyrea ;)
17:49 cait are you talking about liz?
17:49 cait but that's easy today :)
17:45 cait joetho: you are confusing me
17:42 joetho whoops I mean her husband
17:42 joetho Plus, she got to take her nanny.
17:42 joetho well I am verrrrry pleased that Kansas has sent someone, and what a great representative we have sent.
17:41 joetho Sigh.
17:41 joetho Silver wings.
17:41 joetho Steam powered aeroplane.
17:40 joetho Big ol jet airliner.
17:40 * chris_n wishes there was underwriting for live streaming of kohacon
17:40 joetho Leavin, on a jet plane.
17:38 brendan owen++ #just because
17:38 owen Tell me about it
17:35 brendan seeing everyone getting ready to go to NZ - is really hitting home - I want to go
17:35 cait travelling alone, so I am happy about company :)
17:34 chris jcamins: thats awesome!
17:34 cait no plans, but I would like to
17:34 chris that seems to work pretty well for linuxconf
17:33 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon10_Social_Events
17:33 chris my idea was write stuff here
17:33 chris slef: im sure people would be keen
17:33 nengard slef no plans here - i figure i'll plan it all when i'm there
17:33 joetho hmmm. thanks slef (re sip2 pw), but I think the answer lies somehere in my application.
17:33 chris joetho: http://twitter.com/#!/wizzyrea/status/27719420192
17:32 slef biab
17:32 slef oh yeah - anyone want to go for dinner after conference days? Or sort that out when we're there?
17:32 jcamins May I just state, if a 80- or 90-something-year-old patron can walk into the library and figure out how to use the Koha OPAC when I tell him he needs to use that instead of the card catalog, I think that indicates that Koha is doing something right.
17:31 chris and she had dinner with jransom
17:31 chris yup, had lunch with her yesterday, and thatcher and spud
17:31 joetho Liz is now Liznz!
17:31 chris :)
17:31 slef joetho: you could run netcat or socat listening on the SIP2 port and try to imitate a SIP2 server :)
17:30 joetho thanks chris
17:30 joetho and yes, hardcoded user is what it looks like it expects, and I need to know which hardcoded user that would be.
17:29 joetho this application doesn't have a really great track record.
17:28 joetho that's what I think too
17:28 chris is it just using some hardcoded user when it actually connects?
17:27 chris you can connect without a username and password, but afaict the standard doesnt allow for connection with a password but no user
17:27 chris that doesnt sound compatible with SIP2
17:25 joetho to clarify, I am referring to the configuration of my thirdparty application. That configuration asks for server location, port #, dbname, and password. No user.
17:23 joetho when connecting to my Koha server SIP2 service, the thirdparty application doesn't ask for a user- just a SIP2 password. This doesn't seem compatible with koha- or am I all wrong?
17:18 cait hi chris and jcamisn
17:17 chris heya jcamins
17:17 chris high working its way towards us ...yay!
17:17 chris http://www.metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/maps/tasman-sea-nz-colour-latest
17:16 jcamins Good morning, chris.
17:16 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
17:16 chris @wunder wellington,nz
16:28 cait but nothing has made it into the suitcase yet
16:28 cait slef: I have piles of things lying around
16:27 slef back from meeting... not a complete waste of time, but not a great time for me to be there
16:27 slef I should finish work...
16:27 slef start!?!?
16:27 cait I should start packing...
16:27 cait :)
16:27 slef lazy paul_p, not working from airports? ;-)
16:26 cait save travel
16:26 slef safe journey!
16:26 cait bye paul
16:26 jcamins Have a safe trip.
16:26 owen Happy travels paul_p
16:26 jcamins Bye, paul_p.
16:26 slef wow - bye paul_p
16:26 paul_p bye everybody. Next time i'll write on this channel, it will be from New Zealand :D :D
16:07 munin cait: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 9.0�C (5:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
16:07 cait @wunder Auckland
16:07 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.4�C (6:18 PM CEST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
16:07 cait @wunder Konstanz
16:06 magnus try the zip code?
16:05 munin yhager: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
16:05 yhager @wunder nelson bc
15:59 cait hi magnus
15:58 magnus hi cait
15:58 cait hi #koha
14:57 kmkale bye all
14:50 kmkale thanks owen
14:50 owen Sure kmkale
14:50 kmkale Done. owen may I request you to have a look whenever you have time?
14:49 jcamins The JavaScript look-up is nifty, but I don't think that is within my immediate capability.
14:45 kmkale ok.
14:45 jcamins You need to attach it separately.
14:44 munin 04Bug 4440: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts
14:44 kmkale does sending a mail via git send-email to koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org add the patch to the http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4440 page? Or do I have to add a comment and attachment there separately?
14:44 * jcamins will check that... he thought that title, author, publisher, and date were the only options.
14:44 jcamins Ah.
14:42 nengard but on the form after you click 'add'
14:42 nengard not on the initial add form: http://openlibrary.org/books/add
14:41 nengard I think that Open Library does too
14:33 jcamins I see LibraryThing has separate boxes for Main and Added entries.
14:23 jcamins Hopefully it will *work*.
14:22 jcamins Well, certainly it will be available for testing.
14:22 jcamins indradg: I need to have an initial version by the end of next weekend, so it will hopefully be available for testing next week.
14:22 Oak \o
14:22 indradg people that the MARC21 interface is keeping away :)
14:22 indradg among*
14:21 jcamins An imitation by yours truly will follow... eventually.
14:21 indradg jcamins, your "patch" would be highly welcome one aming a lot of people I know here
14:21 drulm thx
14:21 jcamins On LT's website.
14:21 drulm on librarything's website? or something new in Koha?
14:20 indradg jcamins, thats a sad fact of life that we are lobbying against
14:20 jcamins Ooh, the LibraryThing interface is snazzy.
14:19 * jcamins looks at LibraryThing and Open Library
14:18 drulm yo
14:18 jcamins indradg: That's absurd!
14:18 jcamins That was me figuring out how to use Template::Toolkit.
14:18 indradg jcamins, its serious business, in India AICTE which affiliates all technical education in India actually doesn't count s/w which does not come with paper licenses, EULA and purchase receipts as s/w :(
14:17 jcamins Good idea.
14:17 nengard jcamins cool :) - take a look at the form on LibraryThing and Open Library also - to get ideas
14:16 jcamins nengard: by the way, http://demo.cpbibliography.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio-simple.pl
14:16 jcamins Heh.
14:16 owen Maybe it doesn't cost enough
14:15 nengard I'm waiting to hear back on why the professor thinks that
14:15 nengard So did you all see the comment by the library student who's professor told her that Koha isn't an ILS?? http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4200
13:49 jcamins Wow, I think those messages were good for my karma.
13:46 sekjal jcamins++ (I'm catching up on the listserv posts)
13:40 kmkale ok.
13:39 owen The validation errors can be treated as a separate bug, as long as you're not introducing new errors
13:39 kmkale so I guess just let it be..
13:38 kmkale humph there is no <thead> in boraccount.tmpl atleast
13:37 kmkale owen: its there before my patch. should I let it be or move the whole tfoot section right after <thead>?
13:33 owen <tfoot> is supposed to come right after <thead> in your markup. I know that seems wrong, but that's what the standard says.
13:32 kmkale owen: ok. what about the tfoot one?
13:32 owen kmkale: You can always ignore the "autocomplete" error.
13:32 * jcamins is very jealous... all he got from his alma mater was a lousy piece of paper
13:32 sekjal (in addition to, you know, information)
13:31 sekjal jcamins: the Library did, as part of the university's Open House event. mini-staplers, mini highlighters, bags and candy
13:31 kmkale there are still two errors 1) Line 201, Column 37: there is no attribute "autocomplete" 2) Line 417, Column 7: document type does not allow element "tfoot" here both not in my patch..
13:31 jcamins Did I correctly understand from your Twitter post that UMass gives away staplers?
13:30 sekjal morning, jcamins!
13:29 jcamins Good morning, sekjal
13:28 kmkale ok.
13:27 owen kmkale: I'd say yes
13:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts
13:27 kmkale owen re bug 4440 some of the invalid markups are in the "reverse" link. Should I go ahead and correct these too?
13:19 owen I think it's more likely that PTFS doesn't want to give anything away unless their interests are protected in a way that makes sense to their corporate brains
13:17 jcamins owen: yeah, I just find the whole idea that we don't work together baffling.
13:14 owen jcamins++ # for pointing out on list that corporate and independent entities are already collaborating on Koha quite well
13:12 brendan morning jcamins
13:10 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:06 * magnus wanders off to do some serious packing
13:05 munin magnus: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (2:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
13:05 magnus @wunder wellington nz
13:05 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0�C (2:50 PM CEST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
13:05 magnus @wunder bodo norway
13:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (6:15 AM PDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
13:04 brendan @wunder 93117
12:29 kmkale hi all
12:29 brendan morning
12:21 owen Hi kmkale
12:05 owen Hi #koha
12:05 owen Hi nengard
12:05 nengard hey owen
12:02 * jwagner warns everyone who thinks it's a good idea to put computers and other equipment on the floor -- it's not!
12:01 jwagner But there's a reason they put equipment up on racks :-)
12:01 jwagner magnus, yes, it's a big mess....
12:00 magnus jwagner: ouch!
11:58 cait ok, have to do some last minute errands - ttyl :)
11:50 jwagner I have good headphones, but I don't think they'll help. One of the fans is about five steps from the door of my office :-(
11:49 imp .oO(there's a reason why i carry earplugs in my backpack)
11:47 jwagner And after about half an hour of listening to those fans, I'm already about to scream. I may head back home and work from there for the duration....
11:47 imp sounds like fun ;)
11:47 jwagner I don't know -- happened over the weekend. There's a lot of drywall missing from the lower parts of the walls, so I think they just removed it altogether.
11:45 imp did they drill holes into the drywalls to ventilate them?
11:45 imp yay
11:43 jwagner Either would be more comfy than the office this morning -- there was a plumbing problem on the floor above us, so we have massive (loud) fans trying to dry everything out. No equipment lost, but a lot of drywall is going to need to be replaced.
11:41 cait yeah, you can hide in the suitcase, druthb chose the hand luggage ;)
11:41 * jwagner teleports to Germany & hides in cait's suitcase....
11:40 cait my whole apartment is filled with freshly washed wet clothes, suitcases and piles of things I want to take with me
11:39 cait jwagner: no, tomorrow
11:38 slef bbl
11:38 slef nengard: No and now I've got a bloody meeting which I'm late for anyway!
11:35 jwagner Hi cait -- not left yet?
11:30 cait hi jwagner
11:12 cait wrong window
11:10 cait 1 eur = 1.84 nzd
11:09 magnus hehe, i'm looking forward to that! ;-)
11:08 cait because I am distracting you from work all the time and you are the first person my excited self will meet in nz :)
11:08 magnus oh
11:08 cait yep
11:08 magnus poor me?
11:05 cait lol
11:04 cait no
11:04 magnus nope
11:04 cait poor magnus
11:04 nengard I'm sure not
11:04 nengard does anyone actually feel prepared?
11:04 * cait is so excited
11:04 magnus hee hee - in 1 day i have already left!
11:04 nengard :) WOO HOO
11:04 nengard hi cait!
11:04 cait TOMORROW!!
11:04 cait hi nengard :)
11:04 nengard Hiya!! 2 days til I leave!!!!!
11:03 magnus hiya nengard
10:46 cait chris: still around?
09:34 slef tip: never blink as you hit minimise on a window. It's really disorientating!
09:31 slef cait: that's what they're famous for!
09:31 chris yeah, probably wont bother now
09:31 slef chris: cool. Some feedback on the page would be nice.
09:31 cait they should have arrived with us in st petersburg, not helsinki
09:31 chris forwarded it to kristina
09:31 * cait has some traumatic memories of travelling with air france
09:30 chris slef: yeah i got the message
09:30 cait they sent our suitcases to helsinki...
09:30 slef I hope no-one is using Air France :)
09:29 slef flying is always as bad as I think
09:28 paul_p and that let you almost 1 day for tourism ;-)
09:28 paul_p slef: kuala-lumpur <=> NZ is just 2 hours more jet lag. I did that when I wen to New-Caledonia (30hours stop in tokyo), it's much better I think
09:27 magnus paul_p: good thinking!
09:27 slef paul_p: won't that give you just enough time to overcome jetlag and then you get more jetlag?
09:27 paul_p much easier to deal with jet lag when having a good night in a good bed in a good hotel ;-)
09:27 slef Also, I just tried to send a message through the website contact form and I can't tell if it was sent or not.
09:27 cait oh
09:27 paul_p cait, we stay 30hours in Kuala Lumpur
09:26 slef Who could get rhcl.org to redirect kohacon.org to kohacon10.org.nz for now?
09:26 paul_p I just checked this morning, & Marseille <=> Amsterdam is OK
09:26 cait but you arrive later?
09:26 cait ah, not much later than me, flight leaves 1930
09:26 paul_p slef, yes, but fortunatly, I won't go through Paris (not Air France, but klm)
09:25 paul_p cait, We (hdl & me) leave tomorrow. 5PM Marseille, Amsterdam, Kuala Lumpur
09:25 slef hi all
09:25 slef I see the French government say there is no air fuel shortage.
09:25 cait ah, you arrive at 22nd right?
09:25 cait when are you leaving paul_?
09:24 cait :)
09:23 paul_p D-1
09:02 magnus hi bigbrovar
08:55 cait hi bigbrovar
08:54 bigbrovar Bonjour everyone
08:52 cait no, first bus to the main station (15 minutes) and after that 1 hour by train
08:52 cait hmpf :)
08:45 magnus i have 12 minutes by car to the airport...
08:39 cait 1 hour train ride to airport
08:39 cait I will leave at 1400
08:36 magnus i leave from home at about 0600 tomorrow morning, and you?
08:36 magnus but i'll take the bus anyway, unless the weather is really foul
08:36 cait magnus: when do you leave?
08:35 cait ah, right...
08:34 magnus (the knights who say "ni")
08:34 magnus s/ni/in/
08:31 magnus to bad if the free wifi is only ni wellington...
08:28 cait hi magnus!
08:28 cait I think I will take the bus... :)
08:28 magnus hiya cait
08:26 chris http://www.valleyflyer.co.nz/about-us/airport-flyer.php
08:26 chris in wellington yep
08:23 cait hm free wifi on the airport flyer bus?
08:19 cait but I woke up before my alarm clock
08:19 cait not sure
08:18 chris did you get any sleep cait ? :)
08:06 magnus that's the kind of thing it's good to know about in advance, yeah! ;-)
08:04 chris http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/display-item.php?id=4179
08:04 chris i must warn wizzyrea about this
08:02 magnus i like helsinki - it's a bit like oslo, only on a bigger scale
08:02 larsw until tomorrow only
08:01 chris ohhh you are in helsinki, thats right
08:01 larsw it is sometimes uncomfortably hot, too
08:01 magnus helsinki is always cool! ;-)
08:00 larsw Helsinki is also cool. perhaps even cold.
08:00 larsw chris, ah, cool
08:00 chris http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/WhatsOn/allevents/Pages/NDF2010Conference.aspx
08:00 magnus national digital...?
07:59 magnus ndf?
07:59 chris ndf is on now, thats why jo is in town and wizzyrea and her family are sightseeing before the conference
07:59 magnus larsw: yeah people have different priorities - i know some people come here to experience storms and "bad weather" ;-)
07:59 chris next week
07:59 larsw is the kohacon now on?
07:59 chris hows the haggis today?
07:59 larsw hi, chris
07:58 chris heya larsw
07:58 chris they went to http://www.leuven.co.nz/
07:57 larsw magnus, depends on the target audience -- I have friends who track active volcanoes and would visit each one if their spouses would let them
07:56 * chris wonders how wizzyrea's dinner with jransom is going
07:55 chris hehe
07:43 magnus "New Zealand - naturally disastrous" - not the perfect slogan for tourism, perhaps? ;-)
07:42 magnus chris: cool and crazy!
07:16 chris magnus: http://www.gns.cri.nz/Home/Learning/Science-Topics/Earthquakes/Videos
06:53 magnus oops...
06:51 chris we sit on 3 fault lines
06:51 chris and are about due another one
06:51 chris well we had a big one in 1840
06:47 magnus but the ones in wellington are usually smaller?
06:47 magnus yeah, about 2000 according to the map
06:46 chris and then tons and tons of aftershocks
06:46 chris but it had one big 7
06:46 chris wellington is far more active
06:46 chris nope, it pretty much never gets earthquakes
06:45 magnus is christchurch generally the most active region, or is it just a coincidence that they are getting it now?
06:43 magnus cool visualisation
06:40 chris http://www.christchurchquakemap.co.nz/
06:33 indradg i see
06:33 chris indradg: there have been lots since the big one
06:25 magnus g'day #koha - D-1 - yay!
06:16 * indradg thinks he saw something in friend's tweet from Christchurch
06:16 indradg chris, heya! was there a small quake yesterday / today in NZ?
06:15 chris hi indradg
05:55 indradg good morning #koha :)
05:45 CGI133 how are you guys
05:45 CGI133 I am new here
05:45 CGI133 hello
03:17 Oak \o
03:01 Amit hmm
03:01 Amit against Bangladesh
03:01 Amit yup
03:01 chris we will lose horribly
03:01 chris have you seen how we are playing??
03:00 Amit chris: Next month India vs NZ series
03:00 Amit heya wizzyrea_
03:00 wizzyrea_ hey amit
03:00 chris heya Amit
02:59 Amit heya chris
02:24 jcamins Good night, #koha
02:24 jcamins And, on that note, I think it's bed time.
02:20 * jcamins changes his TODO list.
02:20 jcamins I think I'll do that instead.
02:19 gmcharlt instead of just auth_type = foo
02:19 jcamins Of course, that might not be an absolute requirement... certainly I like your idea a lot better.
02:19 gmcharlt it's just a matter of having the search do the equvalent of auth_type=personal or auth_type=corporate or auth_type=meeting
02:18 jcamins If I understand how the searches work correctly, it can only search one at a time, which means the user has to choose.
02:17 gmcharlt and whatever the user picks, select 100, 110, or 111 accordingly?
02:17 gmcharlt ah, I see - perhaps have it search all three at once?
02:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I don't like the idea of having a radio button for "corporate author," "personal author," or "meeting author."
02:15 gmcharlt jcamins: is this for your simplified interface? why not have it tell the authority finder what the appropriate heading type to look for is?
02:15 jcamins Shouldn't be too hard to change it to support choosing an auth type.
02:12 jcamins Which is also kind of logical, if you think about it.
02:12 jcamins authorities/auth_finder.pl
02:12 jcamins Nope.
02:11 chris is my guess
02:11 chris somewhere under cataloguing/
02:11 chris nope
02:10 jcamins What, you don't know off the top of your head where it's hidden?
02:09 chris you're on your own there
02:09 jcamins Which means I have to figure out where the heck that authority chooser is.
02:08 chris hmm true
02:08 jcamins Because adding radio buttons to the author and subject fields would be ugly and confusing.
02:08 jcamins I think probably I'll need to modify the authority chooser to allow the user to choose which type of authority.
02:07 chris :)
02:06 jcamins Figures that UNIMARC and MARC21 put the language code at different offsets in their respective fixed fields.
01:57 jcamins Hm, keywords don't support fixed fields.
01:56 cait hm scary :)
01:56 cait yeah, my trip will start tomorrow now
01:56 chris 1 more day?
01:56 jcamins Good night.
01:56 cait more packing, laundry and planning later today :)
01:56 chris sleep well
01:55 cait ok, time to sleep :)
01:53 chris yup ;)
01:53 wizzyrea_ or a hotel
01:53 wizzyrea_ ^^ verified as truth
01:53 chris yeah if you want to check out you go to a grocery store
01:53 chris :)
01:52 wizzyrea_ chris: btw, I giggled inside a little when we were in the library: issues and fees, indeed. ;)
01:48 * cait looks a bit confused at jcamins
01:48 cait sleep?
01:47 braedon lol, kk
01:47 jcamins braedon: yes, I was. That was an "oh, I should take advantage of this because tomorrow morning he'll be asleep if he has any sense at all" moment.
01:46 braedon jcamins: wait, weren't you just talking to chris just before?
01:46 jcamins I think I prefer having a single box for Title, and parsing it on ISBD punctuation, because more often than not, I think, this would be used to only enter the subfield $a.
01:45 chris yup
01:45 jcamins Because otherwise the MARC21 and UNIMARC will just have to duplicate code like in the COinS function.
01:44 jcamins Have keywords for "Author," "Title," etc.
01:43 jcamins That's how I think I want to do it.
01:42 chris it certainly would
01:42 jcamins chris: wouldn't this be a great place to use MARC-keyword mappings?
01:42 chris yeah, lots of corporates and special libraries would love it too
01:42 cait we have the fast add framework, but it's still very confusing for them
01:42 jcamins Oh, chris is here!
01:42 cait jcamins: I really like the idea, our libraries would love it for fast cataloging
01:40 robin cait: yeah, in English it's 'Submit', in Nederlands 'Query Verzenden'...I think it's what the browser does if no text is provided.
01:40 cait ah, a browser thing
01:40 jcamins Because I didn't put any label attribute in.
01:40 cait lol
01:40 * braedon is out of ideas otherwise
01:39 braedon is cait german?
01:39 * cait wonders why her submit button has a german label
01:38 * braedon cheated too
01:38 jcamins I didn't know before I Googled it.
01:38 braedon robocop?
01:35 chris (10 points if you know what movie that is from)
01:34 chris ill buy that for a dollar
01:34 jcamins (no login required because it has nothing to do with Koha at the moment)
01:34 jcamins http://demo.cpbibliography.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio-simple.pl
01:28 chris its pretty cool
01:27 cait not sure I have seen that option on our maps
01:27 chris gmcharlt: least it wasnt dewey, id get sued
01:27 cait cool
01:27 gmcharlt chris: hotel assignment by MARC flavor? that seems a little extreme
01:27 chris stop 7053
01:27 chris http://bit.ly/d2AWn1
01:27 cait ok, so I am not that tired ;)
01:27 wizzyrea_ yea, westplaza
01:26 chris thats not what i meant to paste
01:26 cait ?
01:26 chris lol
01:26 chris cait: if ( $marcflavour eq "MARC21" ) {
01:26 darling (yeah, I know -- oops, wrong country..)
01:26 cait ah, west plaza?
01:26 darling robin, jan and I are too fragile for that
01:26 wizzyrea_ but will be at the conference hotel next week
01:25 wizzyrea_ cait: right now I"m at the Quest Wellington
01:25 chris president eh?
01:25 cait I thought you perhaps had already looked it up
01:25 cait best western
01:25 chris whats the name of it again?
01:25 chris ill find it
01:25 chris to your hotel?
01:24 cait chris: do you know the bus station I have to get out? the maps are confusing me a bit right now
01:24 robin darling: I find just getting in a car along with a tent and sleeping bag is quite fun.
01:23 cait where are you staying liz?
01:23 darling pink and I have decided to visit 10 semi-random cities in NZ in the next year
01:23 chris actually 6 cos its uphill, 4 for her to visit you :)
01:22 chris 4 mins :)
01:22 chris wizzyrea_: http://bit.ly/dxa7YR if you want to visit cait when she gets to her hotel
01:22 darling i plan to be a tourist
01:22 robin especially if you're a tourist :)
01:21 robin still good though.
01:21 robin it's more of a tourist trip than a serious method of travel
01:21 robin wizzyrea_: because the plane takes about 1 hour, the train about 12 :)
01:21 darling wizzyrea_, it's not very direct, but is worth doing
01:20 cait so if I don't get lost during that, I will be there
01:20 wizzyrea_ how did I miss the fact that there was a train from auckland to wellington?
01:20 cait robin: doing the road trip before the conference
01:19 robin it's a 12 hour train ride, after all :)
01:19 robin ah, then not so likely. But, you aren't commuting from there to the conference, I hope :)
01:19 cait me too :)
01:19 wizzyrea_ cait: I can't wait for you to get here
01:19 cait hm, don't think so, my hotel is in auckland ;)
01:19 robin cait: whilst eating ice cream with darling, chris, and wizzyrea_ et al. :)
01:18 cait robin: hmpf ;)
01:18 jcamins Oh. To set a parameter with cgi you do $cgi->param('language','eng').
01:17 * robin probably saw it from the street today :)
01:17 jcamins Okay, what am I missing here?
01:17 chris heh
01:16 * cait is looking at the hotel with street view
01:14 chris :)
01:13 cait chris: perhas you are right
01:09 wizzyrea_ ^.^
01:09 darling sweet - it's the ice cream, keeps my brain cool and useful
01:07 chris :)
01:06 jcamins darling++ # 'cause it only took a few minutes to implement in jQuery
01:05 cait hm soon
01:05 chris i think thats a sign to sleep :-)
01:03 cait had to restart access point
01:03 cait hmpf
01:00 jcamins Thanks.
00:59 darling ^ is slightly out of date but helped me a lot
00:59 darling http://visualjquery.com/
00:59 chris hehe
00:59 jcamins After all, it's not like I actually know how to use jQuery, either...
00:59 jcamins However, I think I might use jQuery anyway.
00:59 jcamins darling: I'm making a mock-up of my simple catalog interface.
00:58 darling jcamins, sounds like what you want to do would better be handled at the jquery layer -- unless you're just having a play around
00:53 chris in code that actually works :)
00:53 chris selected="selected">
00:53 jcamins Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
00:53 chris [%IF somecondition %]
00:52 chris [% FOREACH variable IN array %]
00:52 cait I am on vacation, adjusting to nz time ;)
00:52 cait :)
00:52 cait 3:02
00:51 cait not sure what you want to do
00:51 chris yup
00:51 jcamins cait: you should! But not tonight, isn't it 0100?
00:51 cait selected="selected"?
00:51 jcamins Yes, but I'm not getting the values from the database yet, so how do I set the default when the page loads based on what was previously selected?
00:50 chris set the chosen one?
00:49 jcamins But how do you choose something from a dropdown menu?
00:49 cait jcamins: now I want to start to program something too...
00:46 jcamins Ooh! I made it pass all the parameters back to the template!
00:42 chris :-)
00:42 jcamins How about jcamins figures out how to make his page do something other than populate the title box? ;)
00:42 chris :)
00:42 chris how about [% marc_record | dublin_core %]
00:42 wizzyrea_ ooOOoo
00:41 chris and would be a cpanable module too i imagine
00:41 chris it sure would
00:40 jcamins Wow, that would be cool.
00:40 chris that would be pretty sweet :)
00:40 chris [% marc_record | marc %]
00:39 chris marc
00:39 chris now, what you can do is make a new filter
00:39 chris handy list of hte builtin filters you can use
00:39 chris http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Filters.html
00:38 jcamins Ah. I see.
00:38 chris then it escapes the html for you (if you want to do that)
00:38 chris etc, is useful when outputting to a page
00:38 chris [% variable | html %]
00:37 chris [% something | filter %]
00:37 jcamins Yes, my input has a type and a name.
00:37 * jcamins is apparently feeling way too literal today.
00:37 jcamins I see what chris was saying.
00:37 jcamins Oh, wait, never mind.
00:37 jcamins So how do I specify a type?
00:36 robin you just put stuff in there, and it outputs the result, if any
00:36 robin jcamins: there are no arguments to [% per se
00:35 jcamins The tutorial doesn't mention that there is more than one argument to [%
00:34 chris wizzyrea_: good to hear you made it back
00:34 wizzyrea_ and killer ice cream
00:34 chris but you probably want a type and name too :)
00:33 robin It's just string subst, like with the other thingamie
00:33 * wizzyrea_ is safe back at the hotel... very fun lunch with chris, robin and reed
00:33 jcamins Cool.
00:33 chris thats ok
00:33 * jcamins thinks it would probably be wrong to have <input value="[% date %]"/>... or is that okay?
00:32 cait ;)
00:32 cait jcamins: you learn now and can teach me later? :)
00:32 jcamins (it's the little things... and this is my first real accomplishment on this project)
00:32 cait :)
00:32 chris good start :)
00:32 chris yay!!
00:31 jcamins Yay!! I successfully inserted the title into the page!
00:30 chris bit of activity today
00:30 chris http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/
00:30 chris if someone emails .. we can let them in tho ;)
00:29 cait reading the page right now :)
00:29 chris just closed it
00:29 cait ah, no
00:29 cait is registration still open?
00:29 cait ah
00:29 chris 107
00:28 cait chris: how many people registered for the conference?
00:28 chris http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ in the photos there
00:28 chris if you tag that kohacon10 the website will pick it up :)
00:28 cait yeah
00:27 jcamins Mmm. Ice cream.
00:27 darling photo 1 of pre-con festivities -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/reedwade/5091736300/
00:26 chris cool, yeah just like a get
00:26 jcamins Nope, that's what I meant.
00:26 * cait peeks at jcamins's screen cuiously
00:26 chris unless you are talking about a file upload?
00:26 jcamins Oh.
00:26 chris my $input = $cgi->param('some_variable');
00:25 chris same was as a get
00:25 jcamins How do you read from a POST?
00:24 robin ice cream is always progress
00:22 jcamins :)
00:22 jcamins Okay, this is progress.
00:21 cait hm ice cream
00:21 chris then output the template
00:21 chris print $cgi->header();
00:20 chris whatever you like
00:20 chris my $cgi = new CGI; or CGI->new();
00:20 chris for now
00:20 chris so it does the headers etc for you
00:20 chris well, the plan is replace C4::Output
00:19 * jcamins thinks he needs a tutorial on using CGI with Template::Toolkit.
00:18 jcamins Hm.
00:15 chris very fun
00:15 * chris gets back from lunch and ice cream with the rea's
00:15 jcamins How was lunch?
00:15 jcamins Okay.
00:15 chris nope still using that
00:15 jcamins Or is there a different web server interface thing we'll be using?
00:14 jcamins (CGI.pm)
00:14 jcamins Will we still be using CGI when we switch to Template::Toolkit?
00:01 * jcamins goes to update his bug
00:00 jcamins Missing mappings in the language_rfc4646_to_iso639 table.