Time Nick Message 23:59 jcamins But that explains why the dropdown is broken. 23:59 cait too slow... 23:59 * cait hides 23:59 * jcamins nominates cait 23:58 jcamins Ooh, I know someone who speaks other languages! 23:58 * jcamins thinks probably someone who is fluent in languages other than English should be the one doing it. 23:58 cait I looked at it while working on the German installer, it's really confusing 23:58 gmcharlt ;) 23:58 gmcharlt the volunteer has been drafted^Wfound 23:58 * cait nominates jcamins ;) 23:58 gmcharlt C4::Languages is a mess in general; completely replacing it would be a niceness 23:57 gmcharlt jcamins: it's an attempt at a language code registry 23:57 jcamins My new plan is to back away slowly with a soothing expression on my face. 23:57 jcamins I have now decided I don't want to know what it is. 23:57 jcamins subtag_registry.sql. 23:57 cait you make me curious! 23:57 cait hm? 23:56 jcamins Ah-ha. 23:55 jcamins What's this? 23:55 cait we can limit to all sorts of things, but not to serials 23:55 jcamins Wait a minute. 23:55 cait I forgot to file my enh request about a missing option to limit to serials 23:54 cait hmpf 23:54 jcamins And French and English both only work because languages like Afrikaans are pretty uncommon in Koha libraries. 23:53 cait *shudders* 23:51 jcamins And Armenian uses the wrong code (well, there are two codes for Armenian). 23:50 jcamins Yup. 23:49 cait but Finnish is in the list? that's odd 23:49 cait oh 23:49 jcamins Anyway, you can't limit by Finnish at all, because it just adds "ln,rtdl:" to the query. 23:49 cait I arrived in sydney with my flight reasearch 23:48 cait but the "mein gott" is missing :) 23:48 cait you start to sound like chris... 23:48 jcamins Wait, what are you doing awake? 23:48 cait hm? 23:46 jcamins Lots of the languages don't have any values specified at all! 23:46 jcamins What a mess! No wonder it doesn't seem to work. 23:45 jcamins Well, I didn't see one so I created a new bug. 23:45 cait I think I used jquery to hide it... 23:44 cait jcamins: no; but I think there is a quite new bug report about it 23:29 jcamins Has anyone ever *tested* the language dropdown in the advanced search? 23:29 jcamins Huh. 23:07 jcamins Seing as how I just did that. 23:06 jcamins I should respond to Abdullah-Al-Modabber's query. 22:58 jcamins Okay, it was because you're supposed to print the Content-type. 22:55 jcamins No it doesn't. 22:55 jcamins Ah. 22:54 jcamins It has something to do with this weird DocumentRoot. 22:53 jcamins Why am I getting a 500 error with this new script I created? 22:34 cait have fun! 22:34 cait :) 22:34 chris ohh excellent 22:34 chris and now, i must go meet wizzyrea for lunch 22:34 cait they are arriving on 21st too 22:34 cait :) 22:33 chris hes a pretty smart guy 22:33 chris slef can speak lots 22:33 cait I learned yesterday slef and his wife can speak German 22:33 chris they usually wear pins on their clothes, with the flags 22:33 cait but feeling prepared helps to not be so nervous 22:33 chris also, lots of airline staff speak lots of languages 22:32 cait I promised myself to ask ask ask... ;) 22:32 chris but usually they are helpful 22:32 chris the worst they can do is not know :) 22:32 cait yep 22:31 chris cait: the main thing is, dont be scared/nervous to ask people 22:31 cait I have not much time to find my way between flights this time 22:31 jcamins Ah, Heathrow. 22:31 chris ahh yeah, that could be tricky 22:31 chris have never been to zurich airport, been to zurich .. but on the train 22:31 cait I had problems with heathrow the last time - because I didn't know there was a shuttle something to the other terminal 22:30 chris i found it pretty easy to get around, big though 22:30 cait yes 22:30 chris heathrow? 22:30 chris ahh 22:30 cait zürich and london atm 22:29 chris which one are you looking up? 22:29 chris heh 22:29 cait airport_websites-- 22:28 jcamins I had no idea. 22:28 jcamins :) 22:27 chris apparently its very similair to thai :) 22:27 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/10/12/american-talk/ 22:27 chris hee 22:27 jcamins I heard he learned how to talk American, too. 22:27 chris yup 22:26 cait looks like he had fun :) 22:24 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5090739503/ 22:24 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5091337510/ 22:23 cait looking at the sentence above... I think it must be getting late 22:22 cait :) 22:22 chris im gonna to ask tim, who is the level7 git guru to help 22:22 cait cool :) 22:21 chris ahh i can certainly show you that 22:21 cait for good advice to jcamins :) 22:21 cait can you teach me (or tell someone to teach me) the workflow with my new public git repo the main repo and my dev isnstall :) 22:21 chris ? 22:21 cait chris++ :) 22:08 jcamins Perhaps I'll try that. 22:08 chris and it makes me feel productive :-) 22:07 chris and provides a base others can help with too 22:07 chris it helps spot things ive missed 22:06 chris then mockup in simple html the interface 22:06 chris on a whiteboard, and take photos 22:06 chris draw things 22:06 chris and you might have done this already 22:06 chris i tell you what i do 22:06 chris ahhh 22:05 jcamins Not really, I was just thinking of something useful I could do that would get me closer to a simple cataloging interface after spending an entire day not accomplishing anything. 22:04 chris if you wanted to play with rebasing things, after kohacon i can give you a pile :-) 22:04 jcamins Weekends. 22:04 * jcamins sighs 22:03 chris nope 22:03 chris LEK has never, and if you read the statements around, probably never will have a release 22:03 jcamins I guess I won't be salvaging a massively unproductive weekend by rebasing that onto Master. 22:03 jcamins No, it made sense. 22:02 * chris hopes he has clarified not confused 22:02 chris any LL rfc that isnt in 3.2 will most likely not be anywhere except LEK 22:02 chris its in LEK 22:02 chris if that is anywhere 22:01 chris if they were on the wiki .. its 99% they wont be in harley, PTFS did most of harley ebfore they bought liblime 22:01 chris the rule of thumb for those is 22:01 chris dont see it 22:01 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PTFS_Harley_Integration 22:01 chris hmm 22:00 chris harley? 21:59 jcamins Did this make it into Harley: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Authority_control_improvements_RFC 21:58 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Simple_cataloging_interface 21:54 * cait hands munin a cookie 21:41 munin jcamins: A copy-specific field that contains information concerning the ownership and custodial history of the described materials from the time of their creation to the time of their accessioning, including the time at which individual items or group of items were first brought together in their current arrangement or collation. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8] 21:41 jcamins @marc 561 21:40 munin jcamins: A form of the title appearing on different parts of an item or a portion of the title proper, or an alternative form of the title when the form differs significantly from the title contained in field 245. (Repeatable) [a,b,f,g,h,i,n,p,5,6,8] 21:40 jcamins @marc 246 21:35 darling they're extinct on the north island -- early immigrants used them as snow cones 21:35 jcamins Ah. 21:34 robin jcamins: it's a snowman 21:34 jcamins What is it? 21:34 darling http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/112107/hammer-and-sickle.gif 21:34 robin darling: no. There's this, which isn't anything like that though: ☃ 21:32 darling is there a unicode char for kiwi holding a hammer+sickle and eating a pie? 21:32 jcamins Cool! I didn't know the hammer-and-sickle was part of the Unicode specification. 21:30 darling yeah ^ that 21:30 robin darling: ☠21:27 darling commie 21:15 robin Linux Outlaws 168 has a good bit of a talk on the Software Freedom Conservancy, if anyone is interested. 20:40 darling my fav mockup drawing tool right now is http://pencil.evolus.vn/ 20:39 darling jcamins, I like ascii art for mockups but it does have some drawbacks 20:35 cait ah, too slow again 20:35 cait good night magnus :) 20:35 magnus g'night #koha - see some of you soon! 20:34 jcamins (in RFCs) 20:33 jcamins Does anyone object to ASCIIart UI mockups? 20:30 magnus :-) 20:29 jcamins Then there should be a note on *every page* to tell you to create a link if you want to add a page. 20:28 magnus i guess the idea is that you should create pages by creating links to them, that way there are no orphans... but then again my brain has adapted to mediawiki big time 20:26 jcamins I think there should be a "New page" button. 20:26 magnus how do you think it should work then? ;-) 20:26 jcamins Yeah, but if I hadn't been told that, I don't think I would've been able to figure it out. 20:25 magnus new page: create a link to it or search for it? 20:24 jcamins Enjoy the penguins! 20:24 chris cya in 2.5 hours 20:24 wizzyrea_ I had the same prob jcamins 20:24 * wizzyrea_ headed out now, see y'all later :) 20:24 jcamins Is it my imagination, or is creating a new page on the Wiki completely non-intuitive? 20:22 darling wizzyrea_, you really should get outside, try spotting penguins in the harbour (I never seen one there but everyone else has) 20:21 chris which we will be able to do some of, at least lots of component caching 20:21 darling we cache the heck out of it tho 20:20 cait |Lupin| wrote me he really likes Template Toolkit and that it's much better than what we use now :) 20:20 darling we use it for http://www.stuff.co.nz/ 20:20 * magnus has fiddled a bit with TT before, but nothing big 20:19 darling http://template-toolkit.org/docs/tutorial/Web.html 20:19 chris i might make darling teach you ! 20:19 chris its a deal! 20:18 magnus chris: i'll take a piece of that too, if i may ;-) 20:18 chris its true :) 20:17 jcamins chris: I know, but I have no idea how to use either, so I might as well start on the new one, right? 20:17 chris so dont let the change stop you working on that 20:17 chris jcamins: we have a student working on a script to convert html::template to template::toolkit 20:17 cait to remind you ;) 20:17 chris oh and wizzyrea_ :) 20:17 * cait takes a note 20:17 jcamins I guess that means I should start on the other aspect of my simple cataloging interface... 20:17 cait ok :) 20:16 wizzyrea_ hey, teach me too, because I've always wanted to know 20:16 chris how template toolkit isnt scary 20:16 cait ok, what will you teach me? 20:16 cait yay :) 20:16 hdl koha-docs then 20:16 jcamins Fair enough. 20:16 chris and she can teach you 20:16 wizzyrea_ !!! 20:16 chris jcamins: its actually not that bad at all, ill tell ya what, ill teach cait at teh dev conference 20:16 gmcharlt jcamins: fear not - Template::Toolkit is actually a lot easier to use in practice than the initial documnetation might imply 20:16 darling jcamins, Template::Toolkit is really a bit of fun once you get it set up 20:15 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 20:15 hdl @later tell nengard and we'll setthat up 20:15 chris wizzyrea_: ahh good :) so you were about 1 block away from my work when you were at the market 20:15 jcamins hdl: nengard just replied. 20:15 * jcamins feels very daunted by Template::Toolkit 20:15 gmcharlt if tens or hundreds of doc patches start getting sent monthly, then a separate list could be spun off 20:15 munin hdl: The operation succeeded. 20:15 hdl @later tell nengard please, tell me which name you want for your koha-documentation list. 20:15 gmcharlt having a koha-docs list whose remit includes patches would be my recommendation 20:15 wizzyrea_ we are, we came home for breakfast (went to the market, then came home to eat, because we forgot spud's blue blankie and he was a mess without it) 20:14 gmcharlt since both discussion of docs and doc patches are currently low traffic 20:14 chris hey, go sightseeing! 20:14 wizzyrea_ I bet nicole is ecstatic that people are contributing patches to the manual 20:14 hdl ok. 20:14 chris and ppl who send doc patches might be happier just subscriber to a list just about docs (including patches) 20:13 hdl But yes, it is high traffic. 20:13 hdl But maybe to koha-patches. 20:13 hdl I didn't mean it to be directly sent to nicole. 20:12 hdl see you indradg|Z 20:12 chris night indradg|Z 20:12 * indradg|Z goes off to sleep...all the best to everyone now in NZ or getting there :) 20:12 chris koha-patches is quite high traffic, which is great :) 20:12 chris and people who want to do docs, might not want to subscribe to that 20:12 gmcharlt hdl: up to preference of the doc manager, but I'd prefer that they go to a separate list rather than to one person 20:11 chris i think they will get a bit lost on koha-patches 20:11 hdl A simple different tag could be enough. 20:11 hdl But should patches be different from koha-patches ? 20:11 chris yeah, makes sense eh 20:11 hdl documentation list, why not, 20:11 chris heya hdl 20:10 jcamins Cool, thanks. 20:10 chris i cheat and munge urls 20:10 chris yup 20:10 gmcharlt says yes 20:10 hdl chris hi 20:10 gmcharlt jcamins: aptitude show libtemplate-perl 20:10 chris http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libtemplate-perl 20:09 jcamins chris: any idea if "libtemplate-perl" is Template::Toolkit? 20:09 magnus well, it|s just 10.20 pm 20:09 magnus chris: yup 20:08 chris up late magnus 20:08 chris documentation_patches++ 20:07 chris documentation_patches_mailing_list++ 19:50 slef bbl 19:50 slef indradg: thanks for the email message. I smiled when reading it. 19:49 jcamins ... is that considered a bad idea? 19:48 jcamins Cool, it's possible to check out my rebased branch directly off of my other server. 19:45 * jcamins forgot to change branches 19:45 jcamins Oh, stupid. No wonder things don't look quite right. 19:44 chris back 19:43 jcamins Yay! I now have a working Koha installation. 19:38 jcamins All fixed. 19:34 jcamins When I installed VirtualBox, I configured a separate loopback interface. 19:34 jcamins Oh, I think I see what the problem is. 19:34 slef If you want to install on some other webserver IP, do export WEBSERVER_IP=123.45.67.890 or whatever before running Makefile.PL 19:33 slef np - this is subtle misconfiguration, but it's the only way the installer can autodetect the primary IP 19:33 jcamins I'm sure I can figure it out. 19:33 jcamins okay. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 19:32 slef jcamins: I think it needs to be the first entry for 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts but I could be wrong. 19:31 jcamins I'll make it jcamins-desktop.cpbibliography.com. 19:31 jcamins Oh, I set this up before I had my domain. 19:31 slef jcamins: ok, that's not a Fully Qualified Domain Name, so I think something's not right, you see? 19:30 slef jcamins: I mean, this is theoretical neatness. If you edit the httpd.conf, it'll work fine until you reinstall. 19:30 jcamins jcamins-desktop 19:30 slef jcamins: I'd need to remember what the method I lifted from perlfaq actually did in the installer to figure out your IP address. What does hostname --fqdn say for you? 19:29 slef jcamins: Not sure on ubuntu. I think the underlying problem is something to do with the order of names in your /etc/hosts 19:29 richard hi 19:27 jcamins Any idea how I go about fixing that? 19:26 jcamins Oh. I guess it's not all fixed, then. 19:26 slef jcamins: your hostname setup is broken then. 19:26 jcamins All fixed. 19:26 jcamins Right. 19:25 slef jcamins: you mean only 127.0.0.1? 19:25 jcamins slef: no, because Koha defaulted to link-local only for koha-httpd.conf. 19:24 slef jcamins: because it's broken. 19:24 slef http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1793805 is a better view of it. 19:24 jcamins Okay, why isn't this workin? 19:21 slef http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:East_Brent_-_Crook_Peak_and_East_Brent_Church_-_geograph.org.uk_-_43849.jpg 19:18 slef weather here is: "if you can see crook peak, it's about to rain. If you can't see crook peak, it's already raining." 19:17 indradg jcamins, nice mail :) 19:17 chris Bbiab 19:17 chris Ok my stop 19:17 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 27.0�C (12:50 AM IST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 19:17 indradg @wunder kolkata 19:14 chris :) 19:12 brendan "don't like the weather - wait a minute" (that's what it was like where I grew up) 19:06 chris Crazy place 19:05 chris Its now blue skies and sun 19:05 chris And wellington prooves what I was saying 19:04 jcamins Cool! 19:04 jcamins Ah. 19:04 chris That's how unbuntu got em 19:04 chris Cos lars and robin packaged them 19:03 chris Squeeze does 19:03 jcamins (that Debian doesn't) 19:03 jcamins By the way, Ubuntu has packages for a bunch of Perl modules. 19:03 chris libhttp-oai-perl maybe? 19:03 jcamins Okay. 19:02 chris At least I don't think so 19:02 chris Nope 19:02 jcamins HTTP::OAI... is that part of some other package? 18:56 chris In fact its messy if you do 18:56 chris Or squeeze 18:56 wizzyrea_ ah then that's why 18:56 jcamins Nope. Don't have to do that for Ubuntu. 18:56 wizzyrea_ they might be slightly different for ubuntu 18:55 wizzyrea_ did you put in the apt sources for zebra? 18:55 wizzyrea_ jcamins: that's actually really good news 18:55 chris hdl: woot! 18:54 hdl D-2 18:54 jcamins Cool, if you remove libzebra-2.0, apt-get-debian-lenny.sh works. 18:53 chris Well its taken nearly 4 years :) 18:52 brendan heh - hoping I have some of those coming ;) 18:51 chris Easy morning 18:50 chris And atarau is still asleep 18:50 cait cute :) 18:50 chris Kahu: I can eat by myself, don't miss your bus daddy 18:50 chris Well that was fast 18:50 jcamins Ah. 18:49 cait a mixture from the debian and ubuntu installation notes 18:49 cait I followed my own notes mostly 18:49 cait oh 18:49 jcamins Did you follow INSTALL.ubuntu? 18:48 jcamins cait: how did you install Koha under Ubuntu? 18:44 jcamins Yes. It doesn't work. 18:43 * jcamins decides to find out 18:42 jcamins Is there a reason not to just use apt-get-debian-lenny on Ubuntu? 18:36 jcamins Hm. ubuntu.packages hasn't been updated. 18:34 jcamins Time to set up Koha on my desktop. 18:28 cait I am envious that you are already there :) 18:27 cait hi wizzyrea :) 18:27 * wizzyrea_ 's tweet about that 18:27 wizzyrea_ I remembered someone 18:27 chris they dont work in wellington 18:26 chris hehe yeah 18:26 * wizzyrea_ saw lots of umbrella victims 18:25 wizzyrea_ :) 18:25 wizzyrea_ yea, we did drowned rat yesterday 18:25 chris if its dry enough to walk along the waterfront to it from te papa 18:25 wizzyrea_ we went to the library yesterday ( we got in before our room was ready, we asked the girl at the desk where to go, she said "the library's just around the corner, not glam..." and we were like "perfect!" 18:25 chris i can thoroughly recommend the musuem of city and sea too 18:24 chris good idea 18:24 wizzyrea_ te papa and area, I think 18:22 chris i reckon its more an indoors than outdoors day :( whatcha got planned? 18:22 chris yeah, dont count on it :) 18:21 wizzyrea_ or at least not rain 18:21 wizzyrea_ :) supposed to clear off in the afternoon 18:21 jcamins Hi brendan. 18:20 chris jcamins++ #good email 18:20 brendan heya jcamins 18:20 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 21.0�C (2:31 PM EDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Falling). 18:20 jcamins @wunder 11105 18:19 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (11:27 AM PDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). 18:19 brendan @wunder 93117 18:19 brendan wizzyrea_ that's awesome you're in NZ 18:19 jcamins Woohoo! 18:18 chris 10.04 is good enough 18:18 chris looks like slightly nicer day today 18:18 chris heya wizzyrea_ 18:12 jcamins Should I upgrade to Ubuntu 10.10 on the computer I'm about to install Koha on for development purposes, or is 10.04 good enough? 18:04 * jcamins is very jealous 18:03 wizzyrea_ good morning! I am :) 18:03 brendan morning all 18:03 gmcharlt in NZ by now? 18:03 gmcharlt hi wizzyrea_ 17:50 chris bbiab 17:50 chris right time to start the day 17:43 chris heh, hudsonbot cant handle utf8 apparently 17:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4472 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation 17:43 hudsonbot Fr??d??ric Demians: Bug 4472 Fix handling for UNIMARC intranet XSL 17:43 hudsonbot Project Koha build (73): SUCCESS in 7 min 51 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/73/ 17:42 jcamins [off] Accurate? 17:42 jcamins [off] Open source ultimately is dependent on voluntary association, and everyone agreeing to follow the same set of rules. Having a foundation doesn't mean that in 2012 someone couldn't come in and say "I don't like your rules, and I'm trademarking the word 'Koha' in Japan." 17:39 chris [off] a redirect would do the trick 17:36 chris http://twitter.com/#!/paulwaite 17:35 chris one of our directors, paul is a mad keen cyclist 17:35 slef bbl, more coffee reqd 17:35 hudsonbot Starting build 73 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:35 slef tempting 17:35 slef hehehe 17:35 chris catalyst has a cycle team .. complete with a jacket that has moodle, mahara, lots of other stuff and koha logo's on it :) 17:34 slef so I dunno really. 17:34 slef I usually wear my everyday clothes. 17:34 chris in terms of cycling gear 17:34 slef small but tall 17:34 chris slef: what size are you? 17:34 slef but not the thick fleece. 17:33 slef chris: ok. I'm going to bring my co-op windproof. 17:33 chris ill ask qa to check em first 17:33 chris awesome 17:33 chris ill dig it up at when im at work 17:33 gmcharlt chris: note the new for-3.4/enh_bulkmarcimport branch; stuff named like that are things that I'm recommending for early merging into 3.4 17:33 slef [off] jcamins: want nuke_from_orbit_by_DNS.pl ? 17:33 chris slef: but i forget the email address 17:32 jcamins [off] I really want to say "okay, shut down Koha.org." Problem solved. 17:32 chris in theory yes 17:32 slef chris: can I create bugs by email? 17:31 chris and if you wanted to just create a bug where one doesnt exist, that is more than fine too 17:31 chris bug_xxx works fine 17:31 slef gmcharlt: or whatever else I'm told :) 17:31 chris http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington <-- has a long range forecast 17:31 gmcharlt slef: ok, thanks 17:31 slef gmcharlt: I intend to label them bug_N if there is. 17:30 slef gmcharlt: no. 17:30 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 17:30 chris @wunder wellington,nz 17:30 chris even in winter :) 17:30 chris oh yeah 17:30 cait but I think too warm for arctic gear? 17:30 chris so i always tell people to bring things they can layer, take some off, put it back on :) 17:30 chris its very changable, cos of the geography, it can start out gorgeous end up windy and rainy 17:29 chris slef: wind/water proof jacket is the main thing 17:29 gmcharlt slef: is there a bug number associated with your enh_bulkmarcimport pull request? 17:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode 17:28 jcamins Second rise underway. 17:28 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 3164: fix OPAC holds in SingleBranchMode 17:28 hudsonbot Project Koha build (72): SUCCESS in 8 min 8 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/72/ 17:27 slef chris: I forget - do I need full arctic gear? 17:27 slef chris: your spring is like our spring, eh? 17:23 gmcharlt cool 17:23 chris ill mark the bug resolved fixed eh? 17:23 chris gmcharlt: works just fine 17:23 chris i now have a hold on http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1 17:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4472 Fix handling for UNIMARC intranet XSL <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d27d23f86e6e3edd2e73c6f83d7ae4c5004ed43> 17:22 chris and now it works 17:22 cait chris++ 17:22 chris right, cant place hold get the error, rebasing now 17:21 cait :) 17:21 gmcharlt good to know that the patch didn't break patron blocks ;) 17:20 chris oh i cant place a hold cos i owe $46 17:20 hudsonbot Starting build 72 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:18 chris switching to singlebranchmode now 17:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 3164: fix OPAC holds in SingleBranchMode <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2b74a22ed66c18cc0f9ef8fc29efa9ce27f7336> 17:12 chris good spotting 17:12 chris ahh the old trailing slash 17:11 cait it's one of the top of my list, breaking an existing feature 17:11 * chris goes to look now 17:11 cait probably, if you are talking about the bug :) 17:11 chris but thats easy to test 17:11 cait me 17:11 chris i cant recall who was talking about that here 17:10 cait does that count as packing too? 17:10 chris ohh cool 17:10 * cait is listening to the washing machine 17:10 chris and a rainproof jacket :) 17:10 chris slef: layers! 17:10 cait gmcharlt++ 17:10 slef (I'm packing. Not going well.) 17:10 * chris looks 17:09 slef bbl 17:09 gmcharlt chris: would appreciate testing of the patch I just pushed for 3164 17:09 slef I suspect you can find a mailing list post with me whinging about it if you look hard enough (might have been koha-manage when that was still live), but it was from a time when I was whinging far too much (I blame forker's pain) so it might be very hard. 17:07 slef So probably incompetence rather than malice, but still... 17:07 chris http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html 17:07 slef I think it was if a patch was in the BTS and not emailed but I could be wrong. 17:07 chris ah well 17:06 slef Yeah, just before liblime went silent. I did look for an example a few days ago, but I gave up. Much better that I get on reconciling 3.0.x.coop with 3.0.x 17:05 chris they actually did that? 17:05 cait ok, it's perhas a good idea not to ask? ;) 17:05 chris heh 17:05 slef and please don't cite ohloh on the list, else I might reopen the liblime-relabelling-commit-authors period ;-) 17:04 slef cait++ beamers 17:03 chris https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/3837441 direct link 17:02 chris that tells me we are already very inclusive and all i can see by adding a bunch of rules is we would lose that 17:02 chris that second factoid 17:02 chris https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/ 17:00 chris y 17:00 chris i agree with slef on that totall 17:00 chris no special favours 17:00 indradg +1 17:00 chris me too 17:00 cait I like the every person 1 vote 17:00 chris if you look at ohloh 17:00 chris :) 16:59 cait thx, was fighting for words :) 16:59 cait yep 16:59 chris cait: yup, rules that are unenforcable, but by existing provide barriers 16:58 cait making 16:57 indradg jcamins, being from India, and sharing similar jurisprudence structures... i can concur that reg charitable trust would have to be "reborn" to override their MoA and bylaws 16:56 cait rules 16:56 cait I hear barriers 16:56 chris whenever i hear that 16:56 chris i hear 'I want to be in charge' 16:56 chris yeah me too 16:55 cait every time I hear we need governance I feel a bit sick 16:55 chris is an idea that a foundation can magically provide 'governance' 16:55 chris the strange thing to me 16:50 jcamins Excellent. 16:50 chris yus you are correct 16:50 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought. 16:50 jcamins Am I correct in believing that HLT can legally steward community property? 16:49 chris being a registered charitable trust, its incredibly hard for them to break their charter, so they are a good steward 16:49 jcamins Okay, that was a terribly worded question on my part. 16:49 chris they were voted to do just that 16:49 chris yup 16:48 jcamins chris: can HLT not steward property? 16:47 chris hehe 16:46 cait hmpf. we really need beamers 16:45 cait can't I skip the travel part and just wake up at nz tomorrow? 16:45 cait :) 16:44 indradg lol 16:44 chris well, wont sneak out, dont need to, but will go out for lunch hehe 16:44 chris but ill sneak out from work for lunch 16:43 chris she only arrived yesterday afternoon, and i was at a school fair 16:43 * indradg really missing attending KohaCon this year... :( 16:43 chris cait: today hopefully 16:43 chris the weather is supposed to be nicer by the end of the week 16:43 * jcamins does too 16:43 cait have you met for lunch? 16:43 cait I envy her 16:42 chris you can ask wizzyrea :) 16:42 chris was real rainy yesterday and last night 16:42 cait doing laundry now and gathering things on my table 16:41 cait yeah 16:41 jcamins I want to do that with my kid, and I don't even want kids. 16:41 chris hiya cait .... 2 days to go? 16:41 chris jcamins: it is a great idea though :) 16:40 * indradg is happy that the big, fat holiday season is almost over 16:40 * cait checking the mailing list now 16:40 cait hi indradg :) 16:40 jcamins Open source all the way. 16:39 indradg hi cait 16:39 jcamins Well, no. 16:39 chris cept not with an iphone :) 16:39 cait hi chris 16:39 jcamins chris: You should do this with your kids! http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/10/brooklyn_dad_and_kid_send_ipho.html 16:39 chris anytime indradg :) 16:39 indradg chris, pm? 16:39 chris :) 16:39 jcamins And dizzying. 16:38 jcamins Nothing to do with Koha, but incredibly cool. 16:38 jcamins Did you see the video of the Brooklyn Space Program launch? 16:37 jcamins Lucky. 16:37 chris exactly 1 week to kohacon :) 16:37 chris ah well, that was my last email on the thread, im over it now 16:36 jcamins Oh, I wasn't addressing the validity of the reasons, just saying, "there they are." 16:36 chris and in fact the rest are all unenforcable, and show a misunderstanding of how free software works 16:35 chris i see 1/ as a valid reason, the rest a foundation is not needed for 16:34 chris the release took a while cos liblime went spastic half way through it, way to take responsibility amy 16:34 jcamins Well, there's why they feel we need a foundation. 16:33 chris ptfs-- 16:33 chris ohh attacking galen on the public lists 16:32 jcamins Hm. 16:29 jcamins First rise underway. 15:57 cait hm bread 15:51 jcamins I think I'll bake some bread while I'm waiting. 15:44 jcamins It doesn't say anything about not upgrading under screen. 15:42 jcamins It says you shouldn't run an upgrade under SSH. 15:40 jcamins :) 15:40 cait *shares some chocolate chip cookies with jcamins to shorten the wait* 15:40 cait cookie? 15:39 jcamins This is going to take forever. 15:39 * jcamins sighs 15:36 jcamins 9.10. 15:35 jcamins Yeah, I'll be installing from git, too. 15:35 cait I installed it from git, didn't use the packages 15:34 cait so far it worked ok 15:34 jcamins I wonder what version of Ubuntu I have. 15:34 jcamins I guess I should probably upgrade. 15:33 cait I have to set up the connection to my public repo 15:33 cait reminds me 15:32 cait yes 15:32 jcamins cait: you used Ubuntu 10.10? 15:27 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.1�C (5:38 PM CEST on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). 15:27 cait @wunder Konstanz 15:09 * jcamins needs to get started working on a simplified cataloging interface 14:20 Oak Good night #koha 14:16 cait hi jcamins :) 14:15 jcamins Good morning, #koha 12:05 cait hi slef :) 11:50 slef hi 11:16 cait hi #koha 08:51 chris hmm it appears iphone software breaks threads pretty well 05:19 Oak \o 05:16 reed and re mail fights - yeah, something to do I reckon 05:15 reed how many attendees? how many non-nz? 05:15 reed cool, I'll drop them a note unless we know anybody who knows them 05:14 reed chris, hey 05:03 * chris wanders off again 05:03 chris and why cant i spell 05:02 chris and i wonder why ed c is so inistent on picking a fight 05:02 chris reed: 2degrees is a good idea 03:21 alpocr What I can do ? 03:21 alpocr system says "production mode - trapped fatal error" in my browser 03:21 alpocr I have a problem to install Koha... 03:20 alpocr someone speaks Spanish? 02:44 * jcamins_a heads off to actually go to sleep this time 02:44 jcamins_a By the way, DSC00194 may be the cutest picture ever. 02:43 jcamins_a Yeah, I can see how it might. 02:42 chris which kinda asploded with MARC :) 02:42 chris a 02:42 chris ide 02:42 chris we had biblio->group->item 02:42 chris moving items between groups 02:42 chris thats 1.x something 02:42 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=5923 02:41 jcamins_a Cool, thanks. 02:40 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=25 02:39 chris lemme look 02:39 chris hmmm yes i think i do 02:31 jcamins_a Actually, before I leave... chris, I don't suppose you have any screenshots of the pre-MARC Koha interface? 02:31 chris gnite 02:30 jcamins Good night, #koha. 02:30 jcamins And on that note, it's time to get some sleep so I can write a simplified cataloging interface tomorrow. 02:30 * jcamins reconsiders NZ briefly, but decides he still wants to go 02:29 chris fun and games :) 02:29 chris that gets crosswinds 02:29 chris short runway 02:27 jcamins Wow... that looks exactly like my landing in Baku felt. 02:24 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LaAkAyoz0&feature=related 02:23 chris we have some good landings 02:23 jcamins (interestingly, although I'm blase about the landings, I can't stand being in the air) 02:22 jcamins Though I'll grant that it would be a lot worse with a little one. 02:21 jcamins chris: I'm pretty blase about scary landings after flying from Kabul to Moscow via Baku. :P 02:19 chris jcamins: http://twitter.com/#!/wizzyrea/status/27597458373 02:17 jcamins yhager: actually, everyone other than me on my other IRC channel uses Arch. I just told them to go install Koha. 02:16 yhager chris: :) I love arch, but I know it is not very popular 02:12 chris but we did raise a bunch of money so thats good 02:12 * chris got utterly soakes spending 5 hours at the kids school fair 02:10 chris hopefully tomorrow will be nicer 02:10 chris its pretty foul today 02:10 chris hehe 02:08 * jcamins is having trouble feeling *really* sorry for her 02:08 jcamins Yeah, poor... wait... wizzyrea is in New Zealand. 02:08 chris yhager++ 02:08 chris man, now i want to install archlinux just to try yhager's package 02:07 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Falling). 02:07 chris @wunder wellington nz 02:07 chris landed today, in this pants weather 02:07 chris poor wizzyrea 02:02 cait1 good night all :) 01:56 phb The three pillars of our pyramid are communication, integrity and teamwork. (id: 8) 01:56 wasabi !phb 01:56 jcamins wasabi++ # awesome e-mail 01:56 wasabi you may... ;) 01:55 jcamins Can I give wasabi karma for an awesome e-mail, even though he mentions me? 01:55 jcamins Hello. 01:49 wasabi thats a new one for me.. 01:49 wasabi oooh, http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/ 01:47 chris http://blog.esilibrary.com/2009/09/16/the-equinox-promise/ 01:46 chris equinox have a good one too 01:46 chris if you need to do another email 01:45 wasabi c&p's pledge reminds us that being a good Koha citizen/vendor is easy, after all 01:42 cait1 thx 01:42 cait1 thd 01:42 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-October/025698.html 01:42 chris the main koha list 01:41 cait1 can't access my email account right now 01:41 cait1 which list is wasabi's mail? 01:39 chris ed hadnt even read the report properly :) 01:38 chris brilliant email 01:38 chris wasabi++ 01:36 phb Alice, I care about you... but only enough to improve your morale, not enough to be illegal in any possible way. So, tell me about your health, in the least specific way possible. (id: 6) 01:36 wasabi !phb 6 01:36 wasabi well, currently its just got phb quotes loaded... 01:35 wasabi http://pipsqueek.net/ 01:35 chris nice 01:35 wasabi my dilbert quote generator bot... 01:35 chris heh 01:34 phb [To Catbert] Sometimes the only point of a meeting is to remind me how much I hate them all. (id: 17) 01:34 wasabi !phb 01:27 chris jransom++