Time Nick Message 23:28 chris That was my actions have consequences email diplomatic as possible 23:22 chris Well I tried let's see if it achieves anything 22:26 yhager :) 22:26 gmcharlt yhager++ 22:01 yhager larsw: ok, I'll do some more checks and post about it (probably not before tomorrow) 22:01 yhager It takes care of *all* the perl dependencies, which is most of the pain in installing this, so I am pretty happy to have it 22:01 larsw yhager, yes, you should 22:00 yhager http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853 22:00 yhager Hi all, I have created an archlinux package for koha. Should I post about it on the mailing list? 21:39 chris He's pretty successfully killed that thread 21:34 chris Best thing is to not feed him 21:34 chris I really think there is nothing to be gained engaging with him, he needs the last word and is just contrary 21:26 chris Nope the other david, the one who just picks fights on mailing lists 21:22 schuster Just as long as it isn't this David you are refering to... Schuster 20:33 jcamins Good night, #koha 20:33 jcamins Closing time. 20:29 chris :) 20:29 larsw chris, special, check 20:28 chris http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html 20:28 jcamins And not just because you always pop up to answer the tricky questions about Debian. 20:28 jcamins larsw: Fair enough. _I_ certainly would be sorry to see you leave. 20:27 larsw and I try to lurk so as not to disturb you all 20:27 larsw jcamins, I hang out here so as not to lose all contact with some of the friends I made while I worked on Koha 20:26 chris His latest message is pretty special 20:26 jcamins Separation anxiety? :P 20:26 jcamins larsw: you unsubscribed from the lists, and spend all your time on #koha? 20:26 chris Heh 20:26 larsw you are making me want to re-subscribe :P 20:25 chris Man that david is a piece of work 20:23 chris Heh 20:11 jcamins (Windows reports occasionally that IE needs to be updated, and then refuses to do anything about it) 20:11 jcamins I *knew* there was something wrong with my computer. 20:11 jcamins It's harder to upgrade Firefox than IE? 19:33 * brendan finds that I usually like reading chris_n messages to the list (well written and thought out - in general) chris_n++ 19:30 jcamins Is it possible to export authority records? 19:29 jcamins NULL. 19:28 jcamins Hm. What goes in authtrees in the auth_header table? 19:24 jcamins Zebra only sorts the first 1000 results, doesn't it? 19:21 jcamins ebegin: if you mean for searching, only the first box works, so far as I know. 19:20 ebegin Is it the field that is copied in the bib? For exemple, 100 for the personal name? 19:20 ebegin What is considered as a main entry in an authority (ref: Browse by subjects) 19:05 jcamins (I pulled up all records in the staff client, and am going through them; on page 68/100 [okay, two-thirds], I haveSambon, Mowat, Rome, Perdrizet, Rome, Svorons, Tetradrachm, Seals, Sayles, Propaganda...) 19:04 jcamins Any idea why about half-way through the list of authorities, the results stop being in order? 19:02 * sekjal is listening to banjo music, much to his surprise 18:59 aarkerio I mean, something like Dewey but for Medical Books 18:59 aarkerio hi!! there is something like "Medical Reference Library" to store books 18:58 yhager In my arch koha package, I want to refer the user to the INSTALL document, but it is not getting installed. Actually there is no /usr/share/doc/koha* directory after installation 18:54 brendan heh jinx sekjal++ 18:54 brendan http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary 18:54 sekjal looks like we're 12 updates past the bundling of 3.2 RC1 18:53 sekjal http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary shows all the latest commits to the codebase 18:53 schuster so it would be 3.2+ 18:53 brendan all of them ;) 18:51 schuster So the community git is what release currently? 18:47 * jcamins would like to make the following statement: non-profit management is tiresome. 18:44 ebegin jwagner, arrg... that Searching tab... I always forget it :) tnx 18:43 jwagner ebegin, see OPACnumSearchResults (in Searching tab) 18:42 ebegin s/opec/opac :) 18:42 ebegin I though there was a syspref to set the number of results per page in the opec... 18:07 chris fol de rol again, that guy cant help himself 18:07 fcapo haha... the authtypecode isn't added into the $record like in AddAuthority. Well, that's the problem I guess. 18:03 fcapo hum.. It doesn't use AddAuthority... it just sends the authority directly in the BD without doing the fixes and verifications AddAuthority does :/ 17:58 fcapo It seems to use GuessAuthTypeCode to get the authtypecode... so the problem isnt there... 17:53 gmcharlt fcapo: at a guess, it may not have been calculating the authtype and including that as the third parameter of AddAuthority 17:51 fcapo And link_bibs_by_authorities used authtypes in its searches, so that's why the links weren't created 17:50 fcapo That's what I'm trying to find. All I know is that authorities imported with the custom import script can't be searched by authtype. 17:49 gmcharlt fcapo: out of curiosity, what was wrong, specifically? 17:49 fcapo Ok, the problem was on my side... We used a modified bulkmarcimport script to import the authorities and it looks like it stored the authorities incorrectly... Using the orginal bulkmarcimport.pl with the -a option for authority importation fixed everything. 17:35 fcapo hum... If I edit and save an existing authority, it then becomes searchable by authtype... 17:29 fcapo Anybody had that problem? 17:28 fcapo Authorities searches by authtype don't work in my Koha instance. That might be the cause of my linkage problem. 17:23 Oak night 17:05 Oak peace be upon you 17:05 Oak night braedon 17:05 braedon night (again) #koha 17:05 * braedon makes another attempt at going to bed :P 17:04 munin braedon: The operation succeeded. 17:04 braedon @later tell wizzyrea hopefully this helps with chris_n's message http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-10-15#i_519928 17:03 chris_n having looked, I will only end up breaking something as it is not self evident how to change the search result template 17:02 * chris_n will leave well enough alone 17:02 braedon o, note also that nested comments are not allowed in html, and there are other comments in the sidebar, so even removing that premature comment end will just push the problem further down (i think) 16:58 Oak yes braedon, noe I know what you mean: http://htmlhelp.com/reference/wilbur/misc/comment.html 16:57 braedon http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1186.html 16:57 braedon Oak: alas, it it is not that simple 16:57 braedon to fix, comment the sidebar out in php, not in html, or change the separator from 3 to 4 -'s, or to something else entirely 16:56 braedon exactly how it breaks depends on the exact parsing of your browser 16:56 braedon thus, at the first bug link in the sidebar, the commenting out of the sidebar breaks 16:56 braedon the first time you hit one of these 3 -'s, the first two close the quote, and then the closing > of the a tag is interpreted as the close of the comment tag, since no two -'s are seen before it to open quote again 16:55 Oak <!-- opens a comment and --> closes it 16:54 braedon the problem here is that the are three, not two, being used as separators in the title fields of links in the bug widget of the sidebar 16:53 braedon if you use two -'s, it closes the quotes, so you must immediately use another two to open them again 16:53 chris_n but wizzyrea is the word press expert, so I probably will not be able to fix it 16:52 braedon ie, all blocks of -'s must be multiples of 4 in the text of your comment 16:52 braedon to put any text in your comment, you must quote it with "--" 16:52 braedon the "<!" opens the comment tag, the ">" closes it 16:52 * chris_n goes to have a look 16:51 braedon in html comments, a sequence "--" is equivalent to a quote 16:51 Oak hmm 16:51 braedon the problem is, primarily, that html comments are being used to comment out the sidebar, and html comments are retarded 16:50 braedon ok, here goes 16:50 chris_n braedon: both 16:50 braedon Oak: alas, that leaves the sidebar in, but without its opening tag 16:50 Oak in the source code, there is a line: <!-- <div id="sidebar"> if you change it to <!-- <div id="sidebar"--> then it fixes a lot of things 16:49 braedon chris_n: do you want to know the problem/solution? or should i leave a message for wizzyrea? 16:38 braedon that would be the problem 16:37 braedon " invalid comment declaration: found name character outside comment but inside comment declaration" 16:37 braedon yes 16:37 slef braedon: but commented out in HTML not PHP, right? 16:36 braedon slef: it looks as if someone has tried to comment out the sidebar 16:36 Oak W3C Markup validation: http://tinyurl.com/34fd66q 16:35 braedon while the particular bug is in that list 16:35 slef I'm not sure. I don't have access to investigate what's happening in the search results template, so can't say if commenting the sidebar out is the right fix or if that would just move the problem to the footer or something. 16:35 braedon so it will always show up 16:35 braedon and the seemingly offending line is in the bugs widget 16:33 braedon surely it should just not be included if it is not wanted? 16:33 braedon should the sidebar be commented out? 16:33 slef braedon: that is also possible, but it seems to happen all the time for me, so it may be a theme-fu 16:33 braedon sorry :P 16:32 braedon s/quote/comment/ 16:31 braedon seems to be terminating on "...Last changed date Thu 16:40 […]'>" 16:30 braedon but being a pre beta browser, not sure 16:30 braedon slef: looks to me like some content is prematurely terminating a quote around the sidebar 16:29 Oak ok 16:29 slef chris_n: looks like a theme error. I don't have access to investigate. 16:29 braedon can you check the source, and see where the code highlighting ends the quote that starts at the sidebar div? 16:29 Oak Looks same as in screen shots 16:28 Oak yup 16:28 braedon Oak: do you have firefox3.6? 16:28 Oak my screen shots were taken using Adobe Browser Lab 16:27 Oak hmm 16:27 braedon Oak: firefox4 is closer to that ie8 16:27 fcapo Is there any doc on how to build SimpleSearch queries correctly? 16:26 Oak IE8 http://img87.imageshack.us/i/ie8c.jpg/ 16:25 Oak Firefox http://img143.imageshack.us/i/23545403.jpg/ 16:25 braedon so looks like someone has tried to block comment the sidebar 16:24 braedon presumably its end is the random end quote further down 16:24 braedon <!-- <div id="sidebar"> 16:24 braedon a quote start has been put on the line opening the sidebar div 16:23 braedon ahh, there would be the problem 16:22 braedon firefox4, right column not formed properly, and only contains results list 16:19 Oak In Firefox "Event Calendar" is in right column and is going out of page boundary causing a long horizontal scroll bar 16:19 * chris_n wonders how it looks in internet exploder 16:18 Oak There is no "Event Calendar" appearing in Chrome and Opera 16:18 braedon Messed in firefox4b8pre 16:17 Oak Chrome 5.0.375.127 16:17 braedon </div> <!-- #sidebar --> --> </div> <!-- #main --> 16:17 braedon hmm, that comment close is actually just in the code 16:17 Oak Looks ok in Opera 10.61 and Chrome 16:16 Oak Looks messed up in 3.6.10 16:16 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 16:16 chris_n @later tell wizzyrea is http://koha-community.org/?s=test messed up or is it me? 16:15 chris_n it probably should look similar to the home page 16:15 * braedon doesn't know what it is supposed to look like, but it does seem off 16:14 chris_n the entire page layout is messed up here 16:14 braedon part of a comment at the bottom? 16:13 * chris_n nudges owen to look 16:13 chris_n ouch... anybody else see something wrong with this page: http://koha-community.org/?s=test 16:10 braedon night, and have a good weekend #koha 16:03 owen I think it's a really exciting announcement. I love seeing that kind of collaboration. 16:02 slef owen: thanks for that. owen++ 16:02 slef (= only members can view) 16:02 slef owen: fixed. I'd left it in draft mode. 16:01 slef owen: I bet I know what I've done. 16:01 munin slef: The operation succeeded. 16:01 slef @later tell wizzyrea please unlock "For Librarians" and "Worldwide" pages for me to edit (want to add link to Users list to those) 16:00 owen slef: I @replied to you via Twitter, re: EDI link being broken 16:00 slef owen: yes but busy :-/ 15:59 fcapo Yea, but I<m not sure it works "correctly" for me right now. I think it ignores the auth_type of the biblio field. And that's bad. 15:59 chris_n but please feel free to open a bug any time 15:58 chris_n status, even 15:58 chris_n fcapo: don't worry, the worst that will happen will be a "works for me" staus 15:57 Barrc just can't get any hits on ISBN 15:57 fcapo Just wanted to make sure it was really a bug. Right now, if " AND at='self->{auth_type}' '" is added at the end of my authority search query, the search always returns 0 results 15:57 chris_n fcapo: might be good to and include the info you just posted 15:57 Barrc Yep, looking at the return records from a yaz-client the records are Marc21 too, and I can see the ISBN where it should be 15:57 laurenthd which is your z3950 target flavour ? 15:56 Barrc Marc21 15:56 laurenthd Barrc: which marc flavour are you in ? 15:55 fcapo Not yet 15:54 chris_n fcapo: have you opened a bug report? 15:54 owen slef still around? 15:53 fcapo If I comment the line "$query .= $self->_query_limiters();" line in C4/Heading.pm, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl seems to link my authorities correctly. 15:53 Barrc OK, it seems, and I've tried this from the demo Z39.50 source that come with koha, that I can't get any ISBN results......can anyone confirm they can? 15:52 fcapo Hello, I isolated my problem with the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script : it seems the authority search always fails if query limiters are used. 15:39 Barrc OK, don't hold me to that ISBN test aginst the LC, I had someone else test it.....suppose I should run it myself to make sure! 15:38 jcamins That's strange. I didn't think LC supported ISBN at all. 15:37 jcamins Hm. 15:37 Barrc I have tried a few, loc.gov and a subscribed server from BDS in the UK, both return fine from other clients 15:36 jcamins Barrc: what target are you searching? 15:33 Barrc Not really a Koha problem then, I suppose! 15:33 Barrc slef: I did, it's the same problem. No ISBN search but all other indexes are fine. 15:32 Barrc It's not that its errors, Title and Subject return fine, ISBN get no hits, even though the use attributes seem fine.....can't see anything in apache log 15:32 slef Barrc: try searching from yaz client on Koha PC. 15:31 gmcharlt Barrc: errors, at least, woudl show up in the Apache log 15:26 Barrc Does anyone know if Z39.50 searches are logged anywhere? (3.006) I can't get any ISBN hits via Z39.50 from Koha but can from yaz client on another PC to the same source? 14:57 munin ebegin: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. [] 14:57 ebegin @marc 008 14:57 munin ebegin: Date of publication, distribution, etc. May contain multiple dates (e.g., dates of publication and copyright). (Repeatable) 14:57 ebegin @marc 260 c 14:57 ebegin Am I correct when I say that the search by date uses only the content of field 008 and doesn't care of @marc 260 c 14:55 ebegin Good day #koha! 14:15 collum Good morning owen and everyone. 14:10 jcamins I had no idea. I'd think nengard would be going, but maybe it conflicts with Kohacon? 14:10 Sharon I haven't been since 2008 14:10 Sharon next week? 14:10 jcamins ... I guess IL is around now? 14:09 Sharon so nobody going to Internet Librarian? 14:09 jcamins No, that's not true. I skim the SLA's newsletter which is published by InfoToday. 14:08 * jcamins doesn't read anything from InfoToday. 14:08 jcamins Ah, that would be why. 14:07 * owen found it in a piece of infotoday junk mail 14:07 jcamins owen: I don't know. I don't recall hearing about that book at all. 14:06 Sharon think we need to get both for our prof. coll. 14:05 * owen wonders how much this book overlaps with nengard's: http://www.infotoday.com/books/books/Open-Source-Web-Apps-for-Libraries.shtml 14:05 gmcharlt jcamins: free yourself from the chains! 14:04 Sharon Thought I should hang out though, lonely here in the office all by myself 14:04 Sharon I'm not worthy 14:04 jcamins I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. 14:03 * jcamins suddenly realizes that he is authorizing the form "Greek--Asia Minor" without feeling at all ill. 14:03 owen Sharon will you be playing the part of wizzyrea this morning? 14:02 jcamins Good morning. 14:02 Sharon Good morning 14:01 owen Hi Sharon and collum 13:57 * chris_n never can seem to get spending to line up 13:40 jcamins At least "spend" lined up. 13:40 jcamins Well, my nick is also two characters longer, so it wouldn't have looked right anyway. 13:38 * slef hands jcamins copy and paste - easier on GNU/Linux 13:38 braedon tsk tsk, broke the combo 13:38 jcamins Oops. That should have been "to be spending." 13:37 * jcamins seems to spend all his time being a problem-finder 13:36 * slef seems to be spending his whole day being a todo-wrangler 13:36 * owen seems to be spending his morning being a patch-kibitzer 13:35 jcamins It was just the thing I needed to start my morning off. :) 13:34 slef hehe, I didn't notice the double meaning 13:33 jcamins I guess this isn't a joke, since slef wrote it, but is anyone else amused by the latest addition to the NISO CORE protocol page on the wiki? "Koha users would like to connect to * MYOB - mind your own business"? 13:30 * owen didn't have internet in college :P 13:29 jcamins Congratulations! 13:29 braedon not for long. just finished my last uni assignment 13:29 jcamins Ah, to be in Uni again. :P 13:28 braedon plenty of time left to muck around on the internet 13:28 braedon the night is still young 13:28 braedon :) 13:27 owen Only technically morning for you isn't it braedon? 13:27 braedon|1 morning 13:23 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:09 laurenthd I should definitely rebase 13:08 laurenthd oh this has been done iirc on our master. 13:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, "Delete all items" doesn't check issues 13:07 jwagner laurenthd, is that the one in Bug 3597 or a new/extended one? 13:00 laurenthd has anyone had time to try and test our wip_removeitems ? 12:57 chris_n hey laurenthd 12:52 laurenthd hi chris_n 12:04 owen Hi 12:04 chris_n heya owen 11:26 jwagner (or afternoon, or whatever...) 11:26 jwagner Morning 11:26 laurenthd hi jwagner 11:04 David Good night! 11:00 David It was in russian (I just typed an english phrase though) 11:00 ebegin Which language was the text you send us? 10:59 David ebegin - Great news! 10:59 ebegin David, it already does 10:54 David Кгыышфт ащк учфьзду? 10:52 David Will Koha support foreign alphabets? 10:42 Barrc Well done Daivd, have fun! 10:42 Barrc Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions (or ever used/heard) of Greenstone? (not the correct place to be asking, but just curious if any Koha users are also using it) 10:41 David I now have my first Koha system up! Thank you everyone! 10:30 Barrc David: You will new to manually create the database and assign permission after you drop it and before you re-run the installer 10:25 David So to rerun the installer, I need to drop the databases? 10:10 David I just really want to repopulate the zebra database with the example data 10:08 David lets say I wanted to rerun the installer. How would I do that? 10:07 magnus David: yup 10:07 David so the OPAC is the public search portal? 09:40 David in /etc/ nice 09:39 David what is the default username and password and/or where is conf.xml? 09:39 Oak that link is broken: http://www.library.org.nz/koha.htm 09:34 laurenthd slef: is there any patch you would like me to consider in 3.0 ? 09:33 David Hooray! Thank you cait! It worked so well!! 09:32 cait hope it works! 09:31 cait ok, time to go 09:31 David I just added that to the apache conf file and now I'm waiting for my CNAME to go live 09:31 David Debian is pretty damn close (w/o the need to sudo all the time ;) ) 09:22 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 09:22 cait have you added the listen 8080 to your apache conf file? 09:22 cait I am using ubuntu, so not sure about the differences to debian 09:16 David I'm about to upgrade to squeeze just to get the rpm, lol. 09:16 David Debian 09:13 cait perhaps one of the installation files in the wiki can help you 09:12 cait which os are you using? 09:11 cait my coworker takes care of your real installations and I normally only change the ip in the file when I do a dev install on my laptop :) 09:10 David I appreciate the help anyway :D 09:10 cait sorry David - as I said, I don't know much about it 09:08 David I think I actually need to use the serveralias of intranet.asdf.com Would that make sense? 09:06 cait perhaps you need to add Listen 8080 to your apache conf file 09:06 cait if you can access the opac you should be able to access the intranet too 09:06 cait I am not sure about the right settings in the conf file - I normally get it working, but I don't know how to trouble shoot it 09:05 cait still not really awake here :) 09:05 cait sorry, perhaps I misunderstood you 09:05 cait oh 09:05 cait you need both urls to work with koha 09:05 cait one for 80 = opac and one for :8080 for intranet 09:04 cait there should already be to virtual hosts 09:04 cait no 09:04 David Ah. Lets say that I was accessing the server remotely. WOuld I change the koha-httpd.conf to read *:8080 rather than 127.0.0.1:8080? 08:59 cait there is also a sys pref that activates that screen, i think it's called OpacMaintenance 08:59 cait to log into the intranet or to start the web installer :) 08:59 cait add port :8080 to your url 08:58 cait have you run the web installer? 08:57 David I have a question. I've newly installed koha. When I try to view the page, it sends me to /cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl but does not display a webpage. Any place I should check for the error? 08:57 cait hi magnus :) 08:56 magnus good morning David and cait 08:56 cait hi David 08:56 David good morning! 08:55 cait good morning #koha 08:51 magnus bonjour paul_p 08:51 paul_p hi magnus & al 08:51 Barrc Does anyone know if Koha LDAP authentication can use SSL? 08:49 ivanc ciao magnus 08:46 magnus paul_p++ # for the last couple of messages to the list 08:34 magnus hiya ivanc 07:58 ivanc hi #koha 07:15 magnus it was a very nice greeting anyway... ;-) 07:13 Oak well, I should have said: peace be upon you 07:11 Oak :) 07:11 magnus thanks, and the same to (on?) you, Oak 07:10 Oak peace be on you magnus 07:08 magnus g'day #koha! D-4! 03:17 brendan heya amit 03:17 Amit heya chris 03:14 Oak \o 02:33 jcamins Ah. Very sensible. 02:32 robin so, a column called ID in one matches a column ID in the other 02:32 robin --itemlink 'ID=ID' 02:32 jcamins How do you relate the two CSVs? 02:31 robin yay, my csvtomarc converter can now handle having a seperate CSV file that contains the items to attach to the biblios. 02:24 * jcamins still can't remember what he is supposed to be doing tonight. 02:22 robin heh 02:18 wasabi cool, nice to confirm the problem/solution wasnt just me :) 02:17 wasabi then use a sub() to remove those dummy tags, afaik 02:17 robin I also did that :) 02:17 robin yeah. Although, I think designing around it tends to give me more robust code, that won't do things like add en empty field to a record. 02:17 wasabi my fix was to create a new field with a dummy x => 'xxx' tag 02:16 wasabi it makes coding much harder, using marc::field :/ 02:15 robin wasabi: it makes sense in some ways, but that doesn't stop it being annoying 02:15 wasabi robin: re: MARC::field i have the same stupid problem too 01:29 chris very cool 01:29 jcamins He teaches a class on administering Koha. 01:28 chris what a neat idea 01:28 chris http://openlib.org/home/krichel/visitor/nyc/ 01:27 jcamins Technically, I won't have graduated until December, but I sent in my graduation application, so I feel like I'm done. 01:27 jcamins Well, just finished. 01:27 chris oh cool 01:26 jcamins Yeah, he's a professor at the library school I just graduated from. 01:26 chris your neck of the woods jcamins 01:26 chris interesting guy 01:26 chris hmm http://openlib.org/home/krichel/ even 01:26 chris ttp://openlib.org/home/krichel/ 01:24 jcamins I know there was something I needed to do tonight. 01:24 * jcamins sighs 01:21 jcamins Ah. 01:20 robin As it is, I need to make logic that handles the first case specially. 01:19 robin jcamins: because I want to create a field, and then loop over an array and fill it up. 01:19 jcamins robin: why would you want to create fields with no values? 01:18 * robin really hates that MARC::Field *requires* that you give it values when you create a new one. Although I guess it makes it harder to make invalid MARC. 01:14 chris yeah :) 01:14 jcamins [off] this is what I get for being the kind of business owner who would vote *for* mandatory paid sick leave. I *just* don't get it. 01:13 jcamins I should have skipped reading my e-mail this evening, shouldn't I? 01:11 jcamins Good night. 01:10 chris night 01:10 * chris_n heads off to find sleep 01:08 robin chris: my plan also :) 01:08 * chris_n hates the ones that fetch * data when you only need a few rows 01:08 chris yep 01:08 chris *nod* 01:08 robin apparently like GetItem 01:08 robin well, methods that issues many more queries than they should 01:08 chris ) 01:08 chris robin: srdjan can fix all those for us : 01:08 chris_n horrible_queries-- 01:08 chris but those are easy to pick off once the donkey work of standing it up is done 01:07 chris that too :) 01:07 robin oh, and some of those horrible queries, too 01:07 chris and we are most of the way to being able to run it under either 01:07 chris just have to fix our mysqlisms in the data we load 01:07 chris using DBIx::Class::Schema 01:06 chris but i got a db created 01:06 chris my pg deploy stopped when loading in the data 01:06 chris and other object layer abstractions over sql 01:06 chris i was thinking tangram 01:06 jcamins That was the dying a horrible death. 01:05 chris jcamins: ahh :) 01:05 jcamins chris: I was spelling "do it properly or die a horrible death of slow sql." :P 01:05 chris i have deployed Koha on pg using the schema generated by that 01:05 chris ODBC isnt much more abstract than the DBI we have now jcamins 01:05 chris but DBIx::Class::Schema 01:05 chris_n because of maturity 01:04 jcamins chris: yes. "ODBC" 01:04 * chris_n favors pg 01:04 chris_n hehe 01:04 chris can you spell 'do it properly or die a horrible death of slow sql' 01:04 jcamins Of course, then I'd use the db-agnostic code to use MySQL, since that's the flavor of SQL I'm familiar with, but it's the principle of the thing. 01:04 chris_n can you spell "abstraction"? 01:04 chris step one in 3.4 01:03 jcamins Me too! 01:03 chris_n what id really like to see is db agnostic code 01:03 chris :) 01:03 chris id take getting rid of mysql 01:03 jcamins chris_n: I guess... I feel like drop-in replacements don't count. 01:02 chris but yes, i think that would be a fun developer conference thing to play with 01:02 chris_n multi in the sense of "more than one" :) 01:02 chris https://launchpad.net/drizzle 01:02 jcamins ;) 01:02 jcamins chris_n: I'm not quite sure that's really multi-db. 01:02 chris the drizzle developers are smart smart people 01:01 chris_n and promote a much more foss db in the process 01:01 chris and drizzle 01:01 chris_n we could get multi-db support instantly 01:01 chris i will 01:01 chris in fact 01:01 chris no but we should 01:01 jcamins chris_n: I was just about to ask that. 01:00 chris_n it advertises as a drop-in replacement for mysql 01:00 chris_n has anyone tried running koha over MariaDB (http://mariadb.org/)? 01:00 chris_n *nod* 00:59 chris [off] not another 'oh they are reaching out, lets agree to whatever they say' answer 00:58 chris at least it was a decent answer 00:58 chris heh, it was fairly forlorn :) 00:57 chris_n so much for hope, eh? 00:57 chris_n well 00:54 chris yeah, i'm not answering that email, and i hope no one else does 00:48 chris [off] indeed 00:48 slef seriously, gone 00:48 slef [off] now is the time to extract apologies, before they offer to buy us lunch 00:47 chris as a start 00:47 chris id take one for any of them 00:47 slef for which action? 00:46 * chris_n thinks ptfs owes the community an apology prior to anyone engaging with them in foundations/whatever dialog 00:43 chris yeah 00:42 slef bbl 00:42 slef Someone else can correct PTFS's Amy on the foundation/association thing. I'm gone and feel like I'm talking to brick walls. 00:15 chris he must be only doing it for attention 00:15 chris probably wise 00:15 slef I think I'll reply off-list. 00:14 chris fol de rol 00:13 slef I'm sure I know that college from somewhere. 00:13 slef oh wait 00:11 slef I'm wondering about moving to 36 hour days ready for the flight :) 00:11 chris_n g'night 00:11 chris sleep well 00:11 slef right, time to pass out - long day ahead tomorrow 00:11 chris_n it was a lame attempt a civility :) 00:10 slef I've had worse. 00:10 chris :) 00:10 slef bah I don't care 00:10 chris [off] need to make sure who is in here when you use it tho 00:10 slef only at start of line 00:10 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today 00:09 chris ill look 00:09 slef does [off] still work? 00:09 chris_n [off] starting with the ceo 00:09 chris_n bingo 00:08 slef chris_n: shed a few staff? 00:08 * chris_n knows just what he would vote to do first 00:08 chris_n slef++ # koha foundation owning ptfs... heh 00:08 chris that would be annoying :) 00:07 chris ah yeah 00:07 slef I must remember to make sure I clone everything to London before I go, as Somerset will be powered off. 00:07 chris heh, i saw your gitorious stuff :) and the EDI stuff 00:07 slef publicly, I look similar... I really am making progress unscrewing our git trees though, I swear 00:06 chris and yes that was excellent ;) 00:06 chris as he does leaping on contentious issues on the mailing list 00:05 chris i wish he'd put the same effort into using or working on koha 00:05 chris he is a bit trolly 00:05 slef I wasn't going to reply to david lang's last email, but I couldn't resist the idea of us owning PTFS.