Time  Nick      Message
00:01 wasabi    oops, i take that back
00:04 chris     :)
00:08 slef      chris: which gitorious branch is meant to be k-c.org head?
00:10 chris     hmm, i havent pushed for quite a while
00:10 chris     lemme look
00:11 chris     (not master anyway, i push the translation branch quite a bit for backup purposes)
00:11 chris     i think master 2 secs ill go update it
00:14 slef      cool, ta
00:24 chris     done, master it is
00:24 chris     http://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commits/master
00:39 slef      ok... checking my copy
00:41 slef      seems to work - what's the recommended workflow now? branch per bug?
00:41 * slef    goes to read the wiki
00:42 chris     yeah that works
00:42 chris     branch per bug, then either submit a pull request or patches
00:42 chris     colin will then pull or apply, and send me a pull request if passes qa ok
00:43 chris     and ill pull it into a branch, and then merge it
00:43 chris     for now, ill just pull it into a branch
00:43 chris     will merge it once rel_3_2 is branched
00:49 slef      ok, have created enh_bulkmarcimport because there's actually no bug for that change (I thought there was but I can't find it now)
00:49 slef      I'll look up how to submit a pull request now
00:50 chris     ah
00:50 chris     2 secs i wrote that up somwehere
00:51 chris     http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments
00:51 chris     fix the email address of course
00:52 * chris   adds another comment to that effect
00:52 slef      aha, cool
00:52 chris     ok meeting time, bbiab
00:53 slef      hrm, that seems to request lots else
00:54 slef      or at least include log lines for it
01:05 slef      ok, sorting out my confusion
01:37 ebegin    Hey, am I the only want scratching his head to understand the logic behind the basket groups?
01:37 ebegin    s/want/one
01:38 chris     no
01:39 ebegin    :)
01:39 ebegin    Can we consider this as an 3.2 incompleted feature?
01:39 chris     i think we need to ask biblibre how it is meant to work
01:41 slef      ebegin should harangue them in their own language until they do :)
01:41 chris     :)
01:42 ebegin    Mais bien sur! Hehe... I'll send Paul an email about that
01:43 ebegin    But I'm glad to see that I'm not crazy (yet)
01:46 slef      ebegin: not yet. Are you going to NZ?
01:47 ebegin    Unfortunatly I wont :(  I wish I could.
02:01 richard   we've elected a new mayor for kohacon - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/local-elections-2010/4228521/New-mayor-for-capital
02:04 ebegin    Will she be at Kohacon?
02:05 chris     heh she works next door
02:05 chris     you never know
02:05 chris     the conference is literally right next door to the mayors office
02:05 chris     we will be definitely meeting the mayor of horowhenua though :)
02:09 ebegin    @wunder NZ
02:09 munin     ebegin: Error: No such location could be found.
02:09 ebegin    @wunder wellington NZ
02:09 munin     ebegin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
02:10 ebegin    @wunder montreal canada
02:10 munin     ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 6.0�C (10:00 PM EDT on October 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
02:24 jcamins   Ooh, bug.
02:25 jcamins   In the OPAC, if you add an entire page of results to your shelf, then go to the next page and add all those bibs, it tells you that nothing's been added, but it did, in fact, add the bibs.
02:28 jcamins   Wait, no.
02:28 jcamins   That's not the bug.
02:29 jcamins   Hm.
02:29 jcamins   I don't know what the bug is.
02:29 jcamins   (how's that for an awesome bug report)
02:29 jcamins   *?
02:29 chris     thats pretty normal
02:30 chris     sad but true :)
02:32 jcamins   You know what I would like? A mouse-over record preview.
02:32 chris     in the staff interface?
02:32 jcamins   I was thinking of in the OPAC, but staff interface would work too.
02:33 chris     would have to be a pref for the opac, it could annoy people
02:33 jcamins   Oh, certainly.
02:33 jcamins   And mostly I would keep it turned off.
02:33 chris     so being able to turn it on and off
02:33 chris     like the highlighting
02:33 chris     so a cookie based pref
02:33 chris     might be something fun for the hackfest :)
02:34 robin     we made something that whenever an error was detected, it dumped the entire DOM including all values for everything. That made tracking down where bugs where coming from a lot easier.
02:34 jcamins   But I can definitely see instances when that would be useful.
02:34 jcamins   robin: but how do you detect an error?
02:35 robin     well, in this case, it was when the exception handler caught an otherwise-untrapped exception.
02:35 robin     But if you had a little "report a bug" thing on pages, you could do the same.
02:35 jcamins   Ooh, that would be awesome!
02:36 jcamins   robin++ # for volunteering to implement a "report a bug" widget which includes a DOM capture
02:36 robin     we also had the advantage of access to all the data to test with, which you won't have here.
02:36 robin     haha
02:36 robin     I'll get back to you on that :)
02:36 jcamins   *which _optionally_ includes a DOM capture
02:37 jcamins   Why is Zebra suddenly acting wonky for me?
02:37 jcamins   No, never mind. I don't want to know.
02:37 jcamins   It's quarter to 11 at night, and I just want to finish my work and go to sleep.
02:37 jcamins   ;)
03:14 ebegin    An easy question here...  what does the i in gist for?  Goods I??? Services taxe?
03:16 chris     i have no idea
03:16 chris     its something the biblibrans made up :)
03:16 chris     in nz its GST
03:17 ebegin    here to...
03:17 ebegin    Hmm... Maybe it for Gi S T :)
03:19 ebegin    We actually have 2 taxes here in canada.  GST and PST (Provincial Sales Tax).
03:19 ebegin    And the worst is that the GST in computed over the PST.
03:20 chris     ouch!
03:21 ebegin    So, if you but something for 100$, you have 7.5% of PST.  And the GST applies on the 100$ + 7.50$
03:21 ebegin    GST is 5%
03:21 chris     gst is 15 here
03:21 chris     (as of 1st october)
03:22 ebegin    So how effectve taxe rate is acutally 12.875%.
03:22 ebegin    how much was is before oct. 1st?
03:23 chris     12.5
03:23 ebegin    You should have held KohaCon in September ;)
03:25 chris     heh
03:28 ebegin    Where those pdfformat::layout3pages comes from... ?
03:29 ebegin    forget it.  I got it acqui/pdfformat/
05:44 CGI875    help how to login in intranet via remote computer?
05:45 CGI875    http://172.xx.x.xx
05:45 CGI875    http://172.xx.x.xx  will yield me opac
05:45 CGI875    but i want to go the intranet
05:45 CGI875    i've been figuring this out for 3 days but still can't
05:52 chris     by default it will be on port 8080
05:57 saqib     hi
06:04 CGI875    i tried that chris but still was not able to connect
06:05 chris     what version of koha?
06:07 saqib     hi
07:21 CGI658    hello everybody
07:22 CGI658    in witch site to downlooad koha 3.0.6
07:23 chris     koha-community.org/download
07:23 chris     sorry this one
07:24 chris     http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
07:26 CGI658    becouse in  http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.06.tar.gz it  was with big problems
07:26 CGI658    no images etc...
07:27 chris     weird, it works for others
07:28 chris     it hasnt changed since may, and its worked fine for lots of people
07:29 CGI658    in witch download source are made the recent changes and fix bugs
07:31 chris     that is still the most recent stable release, there is a release candidate for 3.2.0 if you want to try that, otherwise you can clone the git repository
07:33 CGI658    version 3.2 is not stable and im afraid because im setting up multi-library
07:34 CGI658    if i install an unstable version can i upgrade to  a stable version when is available without reinstallin
07:36 wasabi    yes, choose a dev/git install...
07:40 wasabi    CGI658 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
08:01 cait      @wunder Wellington nz
08:01 munin     cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
08:02 cait      @wunder Auckland nz
08:02 munin     cait: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
08:02 chris     cait: did you see the live page?
08:02 cait      no
08:02 cait      had no time to catch up with all mails
08:02 chris     http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/
08:08 wasabi    oooh, it works
08:10 chris     heh
08:10 wasabi    with js, no flash....
08:11 chris     oh cool
08:11 chris     there is an rss feed
08:11 chris     too
08:14 kmkale    hi chris
08:14 chris     hi kmkale
08:14 cait      bye all :)
08:14 chris     whats new?
08:14 chris     cya cait
08:17 kmkale    not much chris. getting projects unrelated to Koha. so feeling a bit utof touch
08:17 kmkale    s/utof/outof
08:23 magnus    g'day #koha! D-6!
08:23 chris     heya magnus
08:24 magnus    hi chris
09:07 kmkale    is there a way I can see new sysprefs ( if any ) added in 3.2 rc?
09:08 chris     new since when?
09:10 chris     http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sysprefs.sql;h=8bfed37a48df123abbef7c30b05f3f8413c2ad76;hb=df47a149b0a251c7705f3dfa53a1553277cc17d6
09:10 chris     if you do a git diff on that file from whatever commit to now, you should see them all
09:15 kmkale    cool
09:28 * chris   goes to sleep hoping
09:28 chris     that no new nastiness overnight
09:28 chris     night all
10:07 kmkale    @weather Mumbai
10:07 munin     kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (3:10 PM IST on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
10:07 kmkale    @seen owen
10:07 munin     kmkale: owen was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 58 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <owen> It could be an amazing coincidence
10:07 kmkale    @later tell owen need help re bug 4440
10:07 munin     kmkale: The operation succeeded.
11:42 CGI273    hi
12:30 chris_n   http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=13117
12:51 ebegin    paul_p, hdl : Can you give an overview of the Basket groups feature?
12:53 ebegin    or point me toward documentaion about it
13:34 slef      Is there a list of attendees for kohacon?
13:37 nengard   slef i know chris was talking about publishing that - but i don't think there is
13:38 slef      nengard: just unidly wondering who will be there. I know now ebegin won't :-(
13:39 nengard   yeah a list would be nice - i bet one can be published pretty easily - i can tell you that me and mr. engard will be there
13:39 nengard   :)
13:49 gmcharlt  @quote random
13:49 munin     gmcharlt: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
13:56 slef      nengard: I think NZ privacy laws might prevent it. I don't remember being asked for permission.
13:56 slef      nengard: most places have stronger privacy laws than the US
14:36 hudsonbot Starting build 70 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:38 slef      I know any questions or objections are raised on-list, but how do patch submitters get positive feedback on patch application?
14:38 fcapo     Hello, I have a problem with the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script. It never links my biblios to my authorities.
14:38 fcapo     If I add authority links with the BiblioAddsAuthorities option and then run link_bibs_to_authorities.pl, it even deletes the link that were added automatically.
14:39 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: (MT #3697) Fixed GetAuthorityRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cb133d9a3c3df00e897a3e32f9c8566be4fa249> / [MT3696] Fixed ILSDI GetAvailability call <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fb3f22f62c1b45065874e0a86d403f47c05408a> / (MT #3698) Fixed ILSDI GetRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ccee831244aa53f91bb13af48951e75
14:39 slef      fcapo: ow. Have you checked bugs and email lists for similar symptoms?
14:40 fcapo     found some old mailing list entries with no solution, I'll keep searching.
14:40 wizzyrea  slef: lately we've been doing the "sign off" thing
14:40 wizzyrea  that may not be what you meant
14:44 slef      wizzyrea: don't sign-offs go to the list too?
14:44 hudsonbot Project Koha build (70): SUCCESS in 7 min 50 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/70/
14:44 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: (MT #3698) Fixed ILSDI GetRecords
14:44 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: [MT3696] Fixed ILSDI GetAvailability call
14:44 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: (MT #3697) Fixed GetAuthorityRecords
14:44 slef      Galen is using Mantis too?
14:44 gmcharlt  slef: nope, those are cherry-picks from BibLibre
14:45 slef      fcapo: if it's not in bugs, it sounds worth reporting.
14:45 slef      gmcharlt: so why does hudsonbot think you wrote them?
14:46 gmcharlt  slef: it seems to be picking up patch committer, not patch author
14:51 fcapo     Looking into the LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities subroutine, it seems $heading->authorities() always returns 0 results for me.
14:54 slef      gmcharlt: can you make the change described in http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-5035 please?
14:56 slef      option git.authorOrCommitter it seems
15:08 Barrc     fcapo: Did you do a Marc load of your data or add it manually?
15:09 fcapo     Barrc: I imported my data with bulkmarcimport.pl
15:10 Barrc     thought so....had the same problem myself. You won't be able to retrospectivly relink the auths. How many bibs have you got?
15:11 fcapo     only imported 100 for testing purposes, will have a lot more in production
15:13 Barrc     You can auto create the Authorities by just going into a bib and simply clicking save. This is provided you have the syspre turned on to allow it, and you have Authorities working in the first case - where did you export the marc records from
15:13 Barrc     can you export an Authority file too?
15:15 fcapo     I tried using the BiblioAddsAuthorities option and saving. It creates some authorities, but I get duplicates by doing that with books with the same authorities
15:16 nengard   chris_n around?
15:18 Barrc     Can you search Authorities correctly?
15:18 Barrc     Also, what version are you running?
15:18 fcapo     Authority searching works correctly in the staff interface.
15:19 fcapo     version:
15:20 Barrc     I spent a good while trying to get link_bibs_to_authorities to run. Also tried to write my own script to run create new authorities but it turned out way too difficult. I have one small site with 10,000 bibs marc-loaded and we can't link to Auths, nightmare.
15:21 Barrc     If you can export an Autority file from your current system you'd be better off
15:21 bigbrovar Hi guys, I am moving our spreadsheet based library to marc21. I am not a librarian and just starting to learn about this whole marc21 thingie.  I am currently stock at 852 code which is for location. from what I read its suppose to be for the holding organisation can I put that as my school?  how is it differentiated from 952$a  (sorry if my question sound too noobish :(  )
15:22 fcapo     Well, I have the old authorities imported into my koha using bulkmarcimport.pl -a, but they don't get linked to my bibs
15:22 jcamins   fcapo: sorry for the belated answer... I thought that I was doing something wrong, but I had the same problem with link_bibs...
15:23 jcamins   I never solved it.
15:23 Barrc     bibbrovar: Have you looked here: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd84188x.html
15:24 Barrc     Interesting, I never had any problem linking when I load Authorities. What was the source ILS?
15:24 jcamins   Barrc: creating authorities from scratch.
15:24 Barrc     Sorry jcamnis my post was directed at fcapo
15:25 Barrc     I should have said!
15:25 jcamins   Okay.
15:25 fcapo     jcamins: ok, at least I know I'm not the only one having this problem :P
15:27 fcapo     It's a custom ILS I guess, I only received the MARC files to migrate to koha
15:28 Barrc     OK, I was just curious to see if I have come across a similar one.
15:30 fcapo     Barrc: How did you import you authorities so they got linked correctly?
15:37 Barrc     fcapo: I am just testing something out at my end regaring this. I usually use bulkauthimport.pl for the auth file
15:46 slef      bigbrovar: 852 is described in the LOC MARC stuff. 952 is Koha's internal codes, more or less.
15:56 mag_away  yay! http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15119
15:58 Oak       \o
16:01 chris_n   nengard: here
16:01 nengard   hi chris_n
16:01 nengard   wondering about spine labels and call number splitting
16:02 nengard   is there a setting to make it so that it doesn't split on the letter? I have a library that wasnt J300 to stay J300 on the spine label - but it's coming out as J on one line and 300 on the next
16:03 chris_n   there's a splitting algorithm for ddcn and lccn and "other"
16:03 chris_n   if it is a ddcn or lccn and is not splitting correctly there is a bug for it
16:03 * chris_n looks
16:04 chris_n   if it is an "other" but should have its own splitting algorithm, we need a bug for it
16:04 chris_n   bug 2500
16:04 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm
16:04 chris_n   if it is a local preference of how a number should be split, I'm not sure what to say
16:05 * chris_n had thought of a syspref allowing custom splitting algorithms
16:05 chris_n   but they are regexps which are not for the faint of heart
16:11 nengard   chris_n that's what I thought - that this was not something that needed to be fixed
16:11 nengard   that it was the right way to split and they had a preference of their own
16:19 * chris_n would like feedback on such a syspref mentioned above, however
16:21 gmcharlt  chris_n: maybe a plugin system tied to classifiction source?
16:21 chris_n   nice announcement by software.coop and bywater
16:21 chris_n   gmcharlt: good idea
16:21 chris_n   I suppose some libraries might have multiple classification systems in use?
16:22 gmcharlt  yes
16:22 gmcharlt  generally a combination of Dewey or LC and SuDoc (in the States)
16:22 gmcharlt  but some libraries are still in the middle of a Dewey to LC reclass
16:23 chris_n   I hadn't thought about that... such a system would make transitions much easier as well
16:26 ronald    goog morning.... ican enter default date in the worksheets marc?
16:28 ronald    fields 001, 003, 005, 008?
16:30 ronald    any can help me?
16:31 ronald    i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, fields 001, 003, 005,008?
16:31 nengard   chris_n - it's all about collaboration and working together :)
16:32 nengard   as for the preference ... i'd like to see a complete templating engine - like the one in WP - for Koha - for all screens, letters, messages, and lables
16:32 nengard   labels
16:32 Oak       WP?
16:32 ronald    i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, fields 001, 003, 005,008?
16:33 Oak       ronald, can you?
16:33 nengard   WordPress
16:33 Oak       aah
16:33 * chris_n adds the beginning of an RFC and opens a enh req
16:34 fcapo     What does the "ext" mean in a ccl search query? ex: 'Heading,ext=Search Terms' . Can't seem to find any references about ccl search queries...
16:34 chris_n   extent, maybe?
16:34 ronald    how i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, field 001. 003. 005, 008?
16:37 wizzyrea  oo, that is a nice announcement from bywater nand software.coop
16:37 wizzyrea  software.coop++ bywater++
16:38 ronald    how i can enter default dates in the worksheets marc, field 001. 003. 005, 008?
16:59 Oak       I am installing Koha on Slackware 13.1. What does this step mean sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha when on Slackware there is not /etcapache2 folder. There is an /etc/httpd folder but no 'sites-available ' sub-folder in it.
17:01 jcamins   Oak: I think that's Debian specific.
17:01 jcamins   Is there a conf.d folder?
17:01 Oak       in /etc/httpd ? nope.
17:01 jcamins   Hm.
17:02 Oak       there is /etc/httpd/extra
17:02 Oak       with lots of .conf files in it
17:02 Oak       11 .conf files actually
17:02 jcamins   http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout#Slackware_12.0.2B-_.28Apache_httpd_2.2.29:
17:03 Oak       ooh thanks
17:04 jcamins   Lots of people compiling Apache from scratch on Slackware.
17:16 chris     slef is right, nz privacy laws prevent us publishing a list since we didnt ask permission
17:17 chris     in fact we said
17:17 chris     " By completing this form and registering for KohaCon10, you consent to the organisors of KohaCon10 contacting you via email to keep you up to date with any change in details about the conference and to confirm your attendance. We will never, ever, pass on your details to anyone else. Your information will be used to manage your registration at this conference only. "
17:18 chris     under nz privacy law, information can only be used for the purpose for which it was obtained
17:18 chris     without a court order of course :)
17:22 nengard   oh well
17:24 cait      hi #kopha
17:24 cait      koha
17:25 chris     hi cait
17:25 cait      hi chris :)
17:25 chris     nengard and others with android phones, did you see the wellington bus app thingy?
17:25 cait      bought new suitcase and backpack - ready for packing now )
17:25 nengard   chris - no i didn't
17:25 chris     cait: excellent :)
17:26 cait      no trying to reprogram my father's internet radio
17:26 cait      hmpf!
17:26 chris     ahh coveritlive will have caught it
17:26 chris     www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/
17:28 chris     thought it might be useful
17:32 chris_n   nengard: do you know if there is a document anywhere describing the role of Documentation Manager?
17:32 * chris_n is moving pages from the old wiki :)
17:35 fcapo     Anybody know the difference between the Heading and the Match-heading bib-1 attributes?
17:36 chris_n   I think this is pretty well up to date now: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams
17:36 chris_n   feel free to move/add as needed
17:37 nengard   chris_n -- not that i know of - i pretty much just said - hey we need a manual, let me write that
17:37 nengard   and got the role :)
17:38 chris_n   nengard: sometime if you have time (HA!) maybe you can write up something for future generations of document managers :)
17:38 nengard   chris said the job was mine til i dropped dead ....
17:39 nengard   so i think i have a while before i have to write that :) hehe
17:39 nengard   but yeah, makes sense
17:40 chris_n   then may nengard live forever ;-)
17:42 chris     well yeah, i dont see too many people volunteering :)
17:42 chris     like mason said
17:43 cait      nengard++ for being doc manager :)
17:44 cait      one day I will perhaps have time (HA!) to translate the manual...
17:44 chris_n   cait++ # for the hope of a german manual
17:44 cait      oh, this is not earned yet
17:45 chris_n   consider it encouragement and anticipation :)
17:45 cait      but my coworker wrote some training materials for serials and acq that we want to put on our wiki
17:47 chris     ok i hear little feet running round, time to get up
17:47 chris     bbl
17:48 chris_n   look out!
17:51 Oak       damn it, looks like koha was made for Debian only
17:51 fcapo     I think I solved my problem with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl ... had to modify C4/Heading.pm , dunno if it's the best solution, but my bibs are linked to my authorities now
17:52 fcapo     Changed the 'Match-heading' to 'Heading' in the query, and commented all the 'ifs' in
17:53 fcapo     _query_limiters
17:53 jcamins   Oak: it will work under other OSes, it's just difficult.
17:53 chris_n   Oak: Koha has been installed on debian, fedora, opensuse, ubuntu, and others no doubt
17:53 gmcharlt  fcapo: what MARC flavor are you using?
17:53 chris_n   Oak: see http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree
17:53 chris_n   Oak: I have it running on XP as well fwiw
17:54 fcapo     gmcharlt: MARC21
17:55 fcapo     also, there were some FIXME comments in the _query_limiters lines I commented: # FIXME -- is this properly in C4::Heading::MARC21?
17:55 Oak       I'm just tired, will try again tomorrow ...
17:56 Oak       thanks jcamins, chris_n
17:56 jcamins   Oak: where does the installation get bogged down?
17:56 * chris_n remembers the frustration of his first Koah install
17:56 chris_n   Koha, even
17:56 * jcamins too.
17:56 Oak       I keep getting Forbidden on 127
17:56 Oak
17:56 Oak       I must be not configuring Virtual Hosts properly
17:56 chris_n   sounds like permissions problems
17:57 jcamins   My guess is you need to change the permissions.
17:57 jcamins   chgrp -R www *
17:57 jcamins   (or whatever the proper group is)
17:57 Oak       hmm
17:57 Oak       ok
18:01 gmcharlt  fcapo: did you choose DOM or GRS-1 mode for indexing the authorities when you installed?
18:02 fcapo     That I don't know, it wasn't me who installed it
18:04 gmcharlt  by the way, to answer your other question - Match-heading is a specially constructed index type for looking up headings and matching on subdivisions correctly
18:05 fcapo     good to know
18:08 fcapo     Still, Match-heading always returns 0 results for me
18:10 gmcharlt  fcapo: what does the <config> element in <server id="authorityserver" ...> in your koha-conf.xml say?
18:12 cait      jcamins: I see that analytical records came up on the mailing list again - do you think my solution is sufficient for these things?
18:12 fcapo     <config>/home/koha/.../etc/zebradb/zebra-authorities.cfg</config>
18:13 gmcharlt  k, that means that GRS-1 was chosen during install when DOM should have been
18:14 gmcharlt  changing the reference from zebra-authorities.cfg to zebra-authorities-dom.cfg
18:14 Oak       good night
18:14 gmcharlt  and retrieval-info-auth-grs1.xml to retrieval-info-auth-dom.xml
18:14 gmcharlt  restarting Zebra
18:14 fcapo     reverting my changes and trying with DOM
18:15 gmcharlt  and running rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r shoudl fix it
18:16 jcamins   cait: yes, I think so.
18:17 cait      jcamins: ok - perhaps time to comment on the wiki.
18:17 cait      I wanted to upload my test records too, did yo have time to look at them? I think 2 authorities crept in.
18:18 jcamins   cait: I haven't had a lot of time yet.
18:18 reva      hi all, I am having a record with a series statement in 490 ($a, $v) and series added 830($a, $v). The 490 is showing fine in staff Normal view. But neither the 490 nor the 830 or showing int the OPAC Normal view. Any ideas why?
18:18 jcamins   I do plan to spend more time on it, though.
18:18 cait      jcamins: no problem, you already took a lot of time looking at it
18:19 cait      jcamins++
18:19 reva      that was supposed to be "neither the 490 nor the 830 are"
18:19 jcamins   It might need a little more tweaking with the way it handles LDR/07=c and LDR/07=d, but the concepts will cover everything, I think.
18:21 jcamins   (because records with LDR/07=c might need to be treated specially, almost like a set)
18:22 fcapo     gmcharlt: hum... now I can't find any authorities
18:23 gmcharlt  anything in the zebrasrv logs?
18:23 fcapo     gmcharlt: where are they normally?
18:24 gmcharlt  ps -ef | grep zebrasrv will likely tell you where they are you on your system
18:24 cait      jcamins: what is 07 c?
18:24 cait      oh, will look it up
18:28 fcapo     gmcharlt: There doesn't seem to be any recent error
18:28 gmcharlt  and no error messages when you ran rebuild_zebra?
18:28 fcapo     nope
18:29 jcamins   cait: collection.
18:29 jcamins   cait: and LDR/07=d is subunit.
18:30 cait      jcamins: thank you! I am not sure whe have these in our data, but I can ask my coworker when I am back
18:30 cait      jcamins: we have a project with manuscripts and koha planned too
18:31 cait      jcamins: perhaps it will be used in this context?
18:31 jcamins   Yup.
18:32 jcamins   At least, that's the context when it would be used, if it were.
18:32 jcamins   I think.
18:32 jcamins   I'm a bibliographer, not an archivist. ;)
18:33 reva      Anyone has an answer for why neither my series statement (490) nor my series added entry (83) are showing on OPAC Normal view?
18:34 cait      jcamins: you are great - not important if you are a bibliographer or archivist ;)
18:34 jcamins   :)
18:35 jcamins   I do my best.
18:39 fcapo     gmcharlt: ok, zebrasrv wasn't started, now search works, testing link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
18:39 * jcamins waits with bated breath to hear what fcapo has to say.
18:41 fcapo     83 bibs modified... let's see...
18:42 fcapo     every authority still has 0 biblios :/ looks like it unlinked them
18:44 jcamins   fcapo: that's disappointing. Could it be that you need to wait another few minutes for the Zebra indexer to catch up?
18:48 fcapo     well, the search does return some results now, maybe it worked...
18:49 chris_n   fcapo: you could re-run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -r option to drop and rebuild the indexes completely
18:50 fcapo     chris_n: I'll try that. link_bibs_to_authorities.pl does link some authorities, just a small amount.
18:51 * chris_n imagines you should completely rebuild the indexes after running that script
18:52 fcapo     wait... it works!
18:52 chris     Back
18:53 jcamins   \o/
18:53 chris_n   w00t!
18:54 jcamins   Wow. Is that message correct, or is the version a typo?
18:54 fcapo     So, the solution really was to use DOM instead of GSR-1. Thank you gmcharlt and everyone that helped :D
18:55 * jcamins will have to ask ByWater what we're using, now that it turns out works when you have DOM enabled.
18:56 jcamins   *turns out that link_bibs_to_authorities.pl works
18:57 fcapo     well, it now works for me without any modification
18:58 chris     Oh poor ahmed
18:58 chris     He's in for a treat
18:59 chris     He'll need to do 3 upgrades
18:59 chris_n   can you spell "antique"?
19:01 jcamins   o-n-e-p-o-i-n-t-a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g?
19:03 chris     I have a soft spot for 1.2.3
19:03 chris     And anyone who has been using koha since then, is cool with me
19:03 jcamins   I'm sure it was a great version, but upgrading from that sounds painful.
19:03 chris     Yep
19:04 sekjal_a  we just need a version-inversion script:  1.2.3 to 3.2.1
19:04 chris     Heh
19:04 chris     The hard bit is 2.2 to 3.0 actually
19:05 chris     1.2 to 2.0 and then to 2.2 is not so bad
19:05 chris     But 2.2 to 3.0 had some major changes in db
19:06 chris     Ill try to write an email when I get to work, and then wiki it
19:06 chris_n   maybe we can have $my_koha->upgrade
19:07 chris     jcamins: 1.2.3 was the last one with a working simple catalogue interface
19:08 jcamins   I guess that'll be quite an adjustment, switching to the MARC21 interface.
19:08 jcamins   I don't think my simple cataloging interface is going to be done in the next few weeks.
19:08 jcamins   Is there any way to force subfield 9s to be editable?
19:09 * chris_n seems to recall it has to do with authorities
19:09 jcamins   Yep.
19:09 jcamins   It provides the link.
19:09 chris_n   I think you have to change the mapping... or some such
19:09 jcamins   I'm looking at our duplicate authority records.
19:09 chris_n   its been awhile
19:10 * chris_n is only a cataloger in a hackish sort of sense
19:12 chris     :)
19:12 jcamins   Wait...
19:12 jcamins   Achaemenid dynasty, 559-330 B.C. is not a personal name.
19:13 jcamins   That's not even a family name.
19:13 chris_n   to say the least
19:13 jcamins   jQuery?
19:14 jcamins   Never mind.
19:14 chris_n   are you just wanting to change it in one record?
19:14 chris_n   you could use firebug to unlock the field
19:15 jcamins   No, just trying to figure out the most efficient way to de-dup authority records.
19:15 jcamins   I've decided that's not the most efficient way, though.
19:17 chris     Hmm I there's an open bug for that I think?
19:17 richard   hi
19:18 jcamins   Oh, here's fcapo's problem. Bug 3072.
19:18 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
19:19 jcamins   And bug 5271 is for an in-Koha authority merge.
19:19 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5271 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Should be able to merge authority records from w/in Koha
19:20 jcamins   Oh, I should check out bug 4309, see if it still works.
19:20 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4309 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Authorities : Multiple values search leads to Error 500
19:20 jcamins   And figure out how to fix bug 3343.
19:20 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3343 minor, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, duplicate subfields in authority
19:21 * jcamins looks at his to-do list and weeps
19:22 chris_n   wow, if bug 3072 is verifiable in HEAD/3.2, it should be updated to reflect that and fixed in the RC imho
19:23 chris     My stop bbiab
19:23 reva      jcamins, The personal names would be Darius and Xerxes, correct? Now, can someone tell me how I would turn the 830 field to show in OPAC Normal view?:)
19:24 jcamins   chris_n: apparently it only affects Zebra with GRS-1.
19:24 jcamins   Errr, that was a question.
19:25 chris_n   it should still be updated to reflect the current HEAD and probably that information added as well
19:25 jcamins   I don't have any spare servers I can use GRS on, so I will have to recuse myself from being the tester.
19:25 jcamins   It might be a different problem that fcapo ran into, although it looks pretty similar.
19:27 fcapo     my problem was about a Match-heading I changed into Heading, not Heading-main
19:27 jcamins   Oh, my mistake.
19:27 jcamins   Sorry, false alarm.
19:28 jcamins   Both "main" and "match" start with "ma-."
19:28 jcamins   ;)
19:28 fcapo     :D
19:30 chris_n   jcamins must have his "fuzzy" search filter on ;-)
19:31 jcamins   chris_n: of course. I'm looking through our authorities for duplicates, after all. ;)
19:31 chris_n   lol
19:33 jcamins   I have the feeling I did this already.
19:33 chris     back
19:33 jcamins   There are way fewer duplicates than anticipated.
19:42 reva      Bug: in 830 series added entry, authority is storing the $v subfield; (and it stores it with an auto-generated label " v".) This should not be as one would want only the Series added title (an uniform title for the series series), not the part label and number when creating new records for other parts in the series.
19:43 chris_n   reva: please file a bug @ bugs.koha-community.org
19:44 reva      sure; now can you chris_n tell me how I can make 830 display in my OPAC Normal view?
19:44 chris_n   reva: sorry
19:45 chris_n   not off the top of my head
19:45 reva      ok; if you can find out sometime I will check back. Thanks.
19:46 chris_n   reva: you can check the manual http://koha-community.org/documentation/
19:46 chris_n   that will be the quicker than waiting on me :-)
19:48 reva      I will, chris_n.:)
19:51 jcamins   Meeting time.
20:32 chris     oh wow!
20:32 chris     new katipo website
20:32 richard   a bit prettier
20:32 chris     i likes it
20:32 chris     http://katipo.co.nz/
20:44 darling   nice
21:47 jim__     Hello all
21:48 chris     hi jim__
21:48 jim__     I'm working on installing, using the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.0_on_Debian_Lenny
21:49 chris     for production use or evaluation?
21:49 jim__     I'm at step 2.3 and when I try to issue the misc/sax_parser_print.pl command I get this:
21:49 jim__     Can't locate object method "new" via package "XML::libXML::SAX::Parser" at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/ParserFactory.pm line 43.
21:49 jim__     Any ideas?
21:50 jim__     everything has gone swimmingly thus far
21:50 chris     hmm sounds like that module isnt installed correctly
21:50 chris     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze  <-- there are debian packages for squeeze
21:51 jim__     so the deb squeeze package will work on deb lenny?
21:51 jim__     and, I'm using koha 3.00.06
21:52 chris     right, for production? or is it going to go live in a little while
21:52 jim__     it's a tester right now
21:53 chris     because 3.2 has a release candidate out, and final release is pretty close
21:53 robin     the squeeze packages won't work on lenny without some extra work
21:53 chris     so it might be worth going straight to 3.2
21:53 jim__     I may do that
21:53 chris     even if you dont use the packages
21:53 chris     the INSTALL.debian file
21:53 robin     also, squeeze has a release candidate, and final release is pretty soon :)
21:53 chris     in the git repo, has good instructions
21:54 jim__     guess I'll wait on this a bit.
21:54 chris     http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
21:54 chris     if you use the packages you can just apt-get upgrade when the final release hits ;)
21:55 robin     for a testing setup, I'd strongly encourage doing squeeze+packages, as they'll both be stable and supported for a long while pretty soon.
21:55 jim__     thanks chris & robin
21:56 chris     no problem
22:06 chris_n1  http://tinyurl.com/3aoxo84 <<<< very cool story
22:06 chris     it sure is
22:09 chris     hi LBA
22:09 LBA       Hi Chris, and all!
22:13 chris     whats new?
22:18 LBA       just over here working on my little part in subverting the dominant paradigm
22:19 chris     :)