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21:57 chris heh
21:50 SJeffery Don't you love it when you notice the conversations started with you over the last six hours that you totally did not notice.
20:48 chris this is just a report
20:47 chris we do, for actual reserves
20:47 ebegin Is there a reason why we are not using the reserves table? performance issue?
20:44 chris :)
20:43 ebegin hehe :)
20:43 * wizzyrea formulates an evil plan
20:42 wizzyrea ebegin: thanks for asking that question, I had the same one from the other end: I wanted to know where build_holds_queue kept it's data
20:41 gmcharlt ebegin: misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl
20:41 ebegin I know that question come back over and over again, but how the tmp_holdqueue table gets populated?
20:10 chris and because they wont have a git repo
20:09 chris yep
20:09 wizzyrea most new users choose standard, because it's the default, correct?
20:08 wizzyrea I have never noticed it, but I admit that I haven't been paying *that* close of attention
20:08 wizzyrea "We can't find it because it's not created yet!"
20:08 chris im wondering how long it has been doing it
20:07 wizzyrea ?
20:07 wizzyrea Maybe just make an additional text note in Makefile.PL
20:07 chris except the install
20:07 chris but its actually pretty handy all the time
20:06 chris we could take that warn out
20:06 chris is the precise bit
20:06 chris warn "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml"
20:05 chris but on your screen in this case
20:05 wizzyrea hrm.
20:05 chris ends up in apache logs usually
20:05 chris its a warn
20:05 chris but trapping it would mean that when using it later, it will not error when it should
20:04 owen Some might take such an error to mean that they should reinstall the operating system
20:04 chris yes
20:04 wizzyrea is it looking for a config file it hasn't generated yet?
20:04 chris C4::Context always looks for a config file
20:04 chris but not really
20:04 chris sort of
20:03 owen But it indicates a problem with the install process?
20:03 wizzyrea ONWARD!
20:03 wizzyrea k good
20:03 chris i must have just done that
20:03 chris ah yeah, thats ignorable
20:02 chris interesting
20:01 wizzyrea well, I want to know if new users can do it :P
20:01 owen wizzyrea++ # for following instructions to the letter ;)
20:00 wizzyrea fwiw I have been following the instructions to the letter (only deviating when there is something left out, such as apt-get update
19:57 chris ill try again
19:57 wizzyrea yes sir
19:57 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/EOmvHQelh9m
19:57 chris and thats running perl Makefile.PL eh
19:57 wizzyrea not git
19:56 wizzyrea this is from the tarball
19:56 chris interesting, i never got that
19:56 wizzyrea (it looks like an error)
19:56 wizzyrea should I be concerned that the first line after running the Makefile is "unable to locate koha-conf.xml at <path>? Is that informational or an error?
19:54 munin wizzyrea: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 11:50 AM, July 31, 2009)
19:54 wizzyrea @quote random
19:53 wizzyrea dunno owen, that was added like, a year ago
19:53 wizzyrea ah, those were the days
19:53 owen ??
19:53 munin wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009)
19:53 wizzyrea @quote random
19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #71: "cait: hm it works now and I have no idea why :)" (added by chris at 03:47 PM, April 08, 2010)
19:52 wizzyrea @quote random
19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 11:13 AM, October 16, 2009)
19:52 wizzyrea @quote random
19:52 wizzyrea hehe, i forgot about that one
19:52 SJeffery Worse, I will start asking cataloging questions and having discussions about trivial cataloging topics with jcamins all day long.
19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:20 AM, December 22, 2009)
19:52 wizzyrea @quote random
19:51 chris i still like that one :)
19:51 munin wizzyrea: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
19:51 wizzyrea @quote get 95
19:51 munin chris: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
19:51 chris @quote get 95
19:51 munin chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
19:51 chris @quote show 95
19:51 gmcharlt heh
19:49 SJeffery Be nice or I won't contribute code enhancements related to series and analytics to the repository.
19:49 * gmcharlt barely resists temptation to add SJeffery's last statement to the quotes database
19:47 * chris_n takes his headache and heads home
19:47 jcamins_a Sounds about right. (and now I'm really going)
19:47 SJeffery Vendor this time was OCLC, so probably that I am going to burn in hell.
19:46 wizzyrea ... depends on the vendor, maybe the universe is telling you something
19:46 SJeffery argh, second building evac for a fire alarm this week...why does it only happen when I am on the phone with a vendor?
19:46 * wizzyrea facepalms.
19:46 wizzyrea haha, and I added the bit about the apt sources in feb too.
19:45 chris cya jcamins
19:45 jcamins Good night, #koha
19:45 jcamins Time to close up.
19:44 chris not often, but sometimes the spam thing caught them
19:44 chris it might have gone to patches@koha.org and not made it .. it did happen
19:44 * chris_n pats wizzyrea on the shoulder and tells her it's ok
19:44 wizzyrea ok, I will send it again
19:43 gmcharlt still not finding it
19:43 * wizzyrea hangs her head in shame
19:43 wizzyrea that addressed this exact issue, I admit that I never went back and checked that they made it in
19:42 wizzyrea there were about 4 of them
19:42 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sec
19:42 wizzyrea granted that was right before the great list migration
19:42 wizzyrea if I send it again?
19:42 wizzyrea buuut from that far back, will it apply?
19:41 * jcamins pictures zombie kittens roaming about mewing "brains, brains"
19:41 wizzyrea I sent it
19:41 wizzyrea feb 10 2010
19:41 wizzyrea aha!
19:40 jcamins Will saying "I believe in kittens" bring them back to life?
19:39 chris_n seems some kittens die of lack of attention
19:39 sekjal mmmm, ice cream
19:39 wizzyrea I will see if I still have it
19:39 gmcharlt never made the trip, as far as I can see
19:38 jcamins Oh no! A kitten died?!?
19:38 * chris_n hands sekjal an icecream cone
19:38 chris wizzyrea: if you can find it, resend it
19:38 chris_n cool
19:38 * sekjal is coding up a barcode namespaces enhancement, and has met with success for patron barcodes. on to items...
19:38 * chris_n does not see liz in the list
19:37 jcamins I think it was missing all along.
19:37 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=INSTALL.debian;h=cb38921d77213b07f09cc942a239f88b6672834c;hb=HEAD
19:37 wizzyrea because I don't see it in there either
19:37 wizzyrea maybe my fix never got in!
19:37 * chris_n only updated the urls
19:37 chris_n josh wrote the debian stuff
19:36 wizzyrea lol, good question
19:36 chris_n does git blame it on me :)
19:36 wizzyrea hrm. I swear I added that earlier this year.
19:36 * chris_n does not remember removing anything
19:36 * wizzyrea cowers in fear of owen
19:36 * owen thunders, Ye who cannot edit ParserDetail.ini shall not enter!
19:35 * wizzyrea knows that the right entry goes at the bottom, but not everyone would get that
19:35 wizzyrea chris_n: is there some reason we took out the part about *how* you need to edit ParserDetails.ini?
19:34 chris_n wonderful day
19:34 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 27.0�C (3:18 PM EDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
19:34 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:34 richard and chris :)
19:34 chris hiya richard
19:33 richard hiya chris_n
19:33 * chris_n greets richard
19:33 richard hi
19:30 SJeffery 811 that is
19:29 SJeffery I have no idea why the series link doesn't show in Worldcat though
19:29 SJeffery That one took me about six hours...have not done MARC cataloging in a year.
19:29 SJeffery jcamins: No clue, I don't have Koha yet (waiting on our accounting group).
19:29 chris back
19:28 * jcamins is jealous that you are able to spend the time to create records that nice
19:28 * jcamins is jealous that you have OCLC
19:27 cait good night all :)
19:27 jcamins What's it look like in Koha?
19:27 jcamins SJeffery: very nice.
19:24 CGI849 Some speak spanish?
19:23 CGI849 Hi, all
19:22 SJeffery jcamins: OCLC 669060876 :D
19:22 CGI849 Quisiera hacer una consulta sobre koha 3.0 y Nozebra
19:21 CGI849 Hola
19:18 jcamins nengard is a big fan of Tweet this.
19:18 wizzyrea hmm. I am pondering adding "tweet this" to koha-community. Passé?
19:14 * wizzyrea is reminded of the movie ratatouille... "eet ees our job to 'follow zee recipee!'"
19:14 * magnus wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day of their choice
19:13 wizzyrea (but, granted, it's been a while since I've done a completely cold install on a brand new server)
19:13 chris_n wizzyrea: that'd be great
19:13 wizzyrea mostly for new installs, but it's a lot easier than it used to be.
19:12 Drl-Ulm Really? I need to check that out.
19:12 wizzyrea I am totally loving this new package installer thingie. WOWIE.
19:11 wizzyrea heya
19:11 Drl-Ulm Hello
19:11 * wizzyrea will do it, if you like
19:11 wizzyrea at... 1.3
19:10 wizzyrea < is following them to the letter, we need to remember to add sudo apt-get update as one of the steps
19:09 wizzyrea chris_n, you rewrote the debian install instructions?
19:03 cait :)
19:02 * LBA stepping away. Keep up the good work, all!
19:02 chris Bad ones just make more confusion :)
19:02 chris That's what good ones do anyway
19:01 chris To help make a spec both devs and client understand
19:01 chris think of them as a translator
19:00 cait thx
19:00 chris Business analyst
19:00 cait chris: ba?
19:00 chris Oh hey
18:59 chris by making that easier for the ba's and pm's means less writing for me :)
18:58 chris And also the search .. I know I answered that in some rfp .. search found it
18:57 * chris_n must remember that you should not tidy tmpl files
18:57 wizzyrea y
18:57 wizzyrea ^^ that is hand
18:57 chris Is it provides version control for docs in a nice interface and means working on rfp responses etc is a lot easier
18:57 chris_n actually it was a bad tidy patch
18:56 chris But the bit I like best for my use
18:54 chris It also can pretend to be sharepoint
18:53 chris So you can mount a store as a shared drive etc
18:53 chris And has a ton of interfaces including cifs
18:53 chris Has lucence in the back
18:52 chris It does do good records management, and document management
18:52 chris Like redhat
18:52 chris iirc its all around support levels
18:50 wizzyrea interesting that they have an enterprise and community version >.>
18:48 magnus ooh, enterprise...
18:47 * owen had never heard of it before
18:46 * chris wanders off
18:46 chris check it out
18:46 chris oh, and btw alfresco is cool
18:45 chris bus time, back from the bus shortly
18:42 wizzyrea \o/
18:41 chris also wizzyrea and nicole for the patch they did, it didnt need to bother the rm, until it was tested to apply clean
18:41 chris chris_n++
18:41 chris owen++
18:41 chris by getting fix and signed off, it makes it into master .. otherwise it gets sent back to be fixed and resubmited, saved a bunch of time/work
18:40 wizzyrea :)
18:40 wizzyrea I figured they'd be interested to know that their tool had been featured in an actual published work
18:40 nengard aww shucks :) thanks
18:40 chris and chris_n and owen for demonstarting exactly the way sign offs should work
18:39 wizzyrea :P
18:39 wizzyrea nengard: i just told the limesurvey people about your book
18:39 chris coopetition++
18:39 nengard wizzyrea that is pretty cool!
18:39 * owen loves having done good stuff he no longer remembers doing
18:38 chris :)
18:38 chris_n owen++
18:38 * chris_n sees that owen caught it and fixed it in the signed-off version which made it into head
18:37 owen Wow, meant to be
18:37 chris definitely will respond to that
18:37 chris happily enough, our resident spanish speaker, is the Koha team project manager and she is also an alfresco whiz
18:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4867 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness
18:37 chris_n ahh... syntax... my patch for bug 4867 adds an extra bracket
18:33 chris_n well, it works fine on my dev install, but is busted on the production box
18:30 jcamins That would be pretty nice.
18:29 wizzyrea if we had a bot that returned the faq for searching everytime someone typed "have you looked at the search faq?" that would roxxor my soxxors.
18:28 wizzyrea it's automatic!
18:28 wizzyrea Instructions for upgrading your installation can be found at http://docs.limesurvey.org/tiki-index.php?page=Upgrading+from+a+previous+version
18:28 wizzyrea :
18:28 wizzyrea limebot
18:28 wizzyrea [1:36p]
18:28 wizzyrea update?
18:28 wizzyrea [1:36p] c_schmitz:
18:28 wizzyrea Check this out:
18:28 wizzyrea popped into the limesurvey channel to thank them for their work (limesurvey is cool, y'all) and they have a NIFTY bot
18:27 wizzyrea ooOOoo
18:25 jcamins Likewise.
18:25 chris_n heh
18:25 * owen is sorry he didn't take Spanish now
18:25 chris_n just loading the page here
18:24 chris_n line 1886
18:24 owen What triggers the problem?
18:24 * owen isn't seeing any problem
18:24 chris_n js error
18:24 chris_n catch w/o any try
18:24 chris_n hmm...
18:24 chris_n owen: no tabs, z3950 button does not work, etc
18:23 chris_n cait++ # duct tape :)
18:23 owen What are you seeing chris_n?
18:23 chris_n in the latest HEAD that is
18:23 chris_n can anyone confirm that the JS on addbiblio.pl is screwed up?
18:23 wizzyrea ...what are you trying to fix exactly!!
18:21 cait duct tape is much more secure
18:21 cait :)
18:21 cait will glue myself to things
18:21 cait clumsy
18:20 magnus ?
18:20 cait never ever give me super glue
18:20 wizzyrea super glue might work better
18:19 cait lol
18:19 magnus oh no, wizzyrea is craking up, get the duct tape!
18:17 cait ;)
18:16 wizzyrea lol you two crack me up
18:16 cait hmpf!
18:16 magnus cait: well done!
18:14 magnus just copy one of the others...
18:13 magnus cool, i'm definitely a mediawiki person ;-)
18:13 cait I am a dokuwiki person
18:12 magnus cait: it's fun!
18:11 cait *sighs* now I feel guilty enough to add it myself
18:11 chris bbiab
18:11 chris but now i have to go have breakfast before work
18:10 chris ill do it for you then :)
18:10 cait but I would have to edit a mediawiki site to do that...
18:10 cait no, I haven't
18:09 chris cait: you should put your repo on the list on the koha wiki (unless you have already)
18:09 brendan Hi Nate - from California
18:09 cait I will have sample records ready by tomorrow
18:09 jcamins SJeffery: probably wise.
18:08 cait comments welcome ;)
18:08 chris oh look caits already fixed it
18:08 cait http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/tree/bug_4506_xslt
18:08 SJeffery I still don't even understand sreies tracings:D
18:08 cait my solution is here:
18:08 LBA Hi Nate, IRC is awhirl with 3.2 excitement
18:08 SJeffery Lets wait until I get home and can consume a certain refreshment though:D
18:08 jcamins chris: I'll do it out loud in #koha though. :P
18:08 chris i did one yesterday that worked smooth
18:07 chris yay
18:07 SJeffery Oh yes, lets discuss series tracings:D
18:07 wizzyrea I'm getting ready to do a clean standard install of koha from the tarball
18:07 chris jcamins: can i make you think about it, so i dont have to?
18:07 jcamins I thought that would inspire recollection of other issues. ;)
18:07 sekjal working on a new development, but keeping my eyes in #koha
18:07 wizzyrea can we not and say we did?
18:07 chris hehe
18:07 * wizzyrea shudders.
18:07 owen the person who isn't going to NZ noticed :P
18:07 nengard all too busy thinking about our NZ trips
18:07 jcamins Shall we discuss series tracings?
18:06 wizzyrea hm, today we are somewhat lacking in super vexing issues we are trying to solve :)
18:06 cait hi from Germany :)
18:06 Nate hi
18:06 nengard hi from PA
18:06 Nate everyone says
18:06 owen Hi from Ohio!
18:05 wizzyrea hi from kansas, idahoans!
18:05 chris hello from new zealand
18:05 sekjal hello Idaho librarians!
18:05 chris ahh cool
18:05 wizzyrea jcamins: sometimes :)
18:05 Nate koha chat at the ILA conference
18:05 * chris has no idea what that actually means, but it sounds good
18:05 Nate irc
18:05 Nate hi everyone demonstrating the
18:05 chris whats crackalacking ?
18:04 cait hi Nate
18:04 cait ;)
18:04 chris hey nate
18:04 chris business dinner huh :)
18:02 magnus but that's what the expense account is for, you know...
18:01 chris or buying caits dinner :-)
18:00 chris more money for sightseeing that way :)
18:00 magnus chris: sounds doable
17:59 chris and sit up near them, they are pretty friendly
17:58 imp hm, pickup service was from the rent-a-car-thingy *remembers*
17:58 chris magnus: i always just ask the driver to tell me when its my stop
17:58 imp :D
17:57 chris however you are definitely paying for it, in you 8 million a night room
17:57 chris some of the 5stars do that
17:57 imp no pickup service from the hotel?
17:57 magnus chris: wow, thanks, that is so cool!
17:56 chris at least
17:56 chris taxi would be more like $60nz
17:56 chris will cost $16nz
17:56 cait cool
17:54 chris http://tinyurl.com/26fbx96
17:53 magnus chris: cool
17:52 chris yeah you can do it by bus :)
17:52 magnus the force is duct tape and the duct tape is Perl, right?
17:51 druthb hee hee...that's the weak forces of the universe...The Force is duct tape: it has a light side, and a dark side, and it binds the galaxy together.
17:51 jcamins wizzyrea: does it work?
17:50 chris cool looking up the timetables now
17:50 wizzyrea Oh, I use the force on him all the time: "your eyes are getting heavy, you are drifting off to dreamland..." repeat x100
17:49 magnus chris: tripit says "Best Western President Hotel Lodging"
17:49 chris ah ha
17:49 cait chris: I think it's http://www.presidenthotel.co.nz/index.html
17:49 druthb oh, sure, she won't use The Force on her child, but she will use drugs.
17:49 chris magnus: the airbus will save you about 40$
17:48 wizzyrea ;)
17:48 wizzyrea now, dramamine... we might have something there.
17:48 wizzyrea and I'd rather not duct tape him
17:48 nengard :)
17:48 nengard wizzyrea your spud is adorable - that's a kid I don't mind being stuck on a plane with
17:48 wizzyrea lol no, I have a 2 year old ;)
17:47 chris wizzyrea: you are an arm rest hogger?
17:47 chris magnus: reason 2 is great
17:47 wizzyrea I don't think any of you are on the plane with us... lucky for you probably ;)
17:47 jwagner Come on over! I have a spare bed or two...
17:47 nengard druthb --- tempting
17:47 jcamins Not counting the two times I sat on a train in DC while they changed engines.
17:47 nengard magnus you so have to come to a US Kohacon then!!!
17:47 * magnus has never been to the US at all...
17:47 druthb nengard: s/conferences in washington/chances to get picked on by druthb/
17:47 chris magnus: http://www.airbus.co.nz/
17:46 jcamins I've only been to DC a half dozen times.
17:46 druthb I'd be all over that, cait. local tour guide girl, me!
17:46 cait magnus: thre was a blog comment from jo
17:46 nengard i have like 4 conferences in washington a year
17:45 chris i hate thm
17:45 cait druthb: kohacon in washington next year? ;)
17:45 chris arm rest hoggers!!!
17:45 magnus chris: says Mercure here: http://koha-community.org/kohacon2010-roadtrip/ but i wonder if that was changed...
17:45 chris rude adults are ten times worse
17:45 * druthb chuckles evilly.
17:45 chris kids are never the problem on the plane
17:44 nengard druthb that's just mean!! - for me - not for the kids - go ahead and duck tape the kids!!
17:44 magnus druthb: hee hee
17:44 jcamins druthb: heh.
17:44 druthb magnus is lucky, cait, because he gets to see you at all. I, unfortunately, do not.
17:43 * cait pouts
17:43 druthb Duct tape, nengard. It's the ultimate cure-all.
17:43 nengard druthb - what's that? i dose myself with dramamine and it knocks me out - but not for that long a flight
17:42 chris magnus: if you find out the hotel name, i can tell you if you can take the cheap bus into town to get to it :)
17:42 magnus i arrive early on the 21st, and cait arrives much later, i think, so i will have some time to find good places in auckland to hide...
17:41 druthb nengard: the same cure as works for small children would do nicely; you're not very big, after all.
17:41 druthb lucky magnus!
17:41 nengard druthb - this is true - but imagine all my energy stuck on a plane???
17:41 chris hdl: cya later
17:41 magnus oh no
17:41 cait I will get crazy and magnus will be the first person having to deal with it ;)
17:40 hdl see you
17:40 druthb wait...nengard, you mean you're not *already* stir-crazy?
17:40 hdl good time of day.
17:40 nengard LOL- cait you'll be fine!!!
17:40 cait don't make me stay here last minute
17:40 jcamins Yes, 0500 in Copenhagen is 1600 in Auckland.
17:40 cait nengard: hmpf!
17:40 cait 19:48 here now
17:40 magnus chris: yeah, i think that sounds like good advice
17:39 nengard i think i might go sitr crazy if i have to fly 20 hours alone ...
17:39 magnus cait: ,-)
17:39 chris if i was coming from europe
17:39 chris and i wouldnt do it until i left LA
17:39 cait perhaps there is one advantage of flying alone
17:39 nengard chris that makes sense
17:39 jcamins I'm looking it up, but isn't 0500 in Europe late afternoon in NZ?
17:39 chris and try to match with that
17:39 druthb her husband and teammate?
17:38 nengard cait, my hubby and sekjal - i'll see them a lot :)
17:38 cait druthb: but will you ever see those people again? probably not, so they can talk all tehy want
17:38 chris is set my watch to destination time as soon as im on the plane
17:38 nengard druthb they can talk about whatever they want as long as i get to sleep :) hehe
17:38 chris what i do, and this works for me, so take it or leave it
17:38 druthb not to make you paranoid or anything...
17:37 druthb nengard: as long as you don't snore or do something amusing looking while you sleep, that's a good plan. if you do, they'll be talking *about you* for all those hours..
17:37 magnus jcamins: no don't sound quite right... ;-)
17:37 jcamins magnus: no, I don't think that's right.
17:37 reva sorry, i read it as cait, Thanks chris.
17:36 nengard i'm sitting mr nengard next to sekjal on the plane so that the boys can talk while i sleep :)
17:36 magnus so then it's get up at 0500 on the 19th and try not to sleep until the evening of the 21st... yeah, right ;-)
17:36 cait ?
17:36 * jcamins agrees with nengard
17:36 reva Ok cait, got it. How about my question for moving a batch of records to a newly created location?
17:36 * nengard says to sleep when you need to sleep :)
17:36 imp cait: you'll have nearly 2x 12h to sleep while flying
17:36 * cait pokes imp
17:35 cait thx imp
17:35 * magnus me too
17:35 imp :D
17:35 * cait is getting confused now
17:35 jcamins *before
17:35 jcamins magnus: I thought it was the other direction that you're supposed to stay up the night beore?
17:35 chris helps
17:35 chris but trying to get onto nz time as soon as you can
17:34 chris you dont wanna miss your flight cos you fall asleep hehe
17:34 nengard and i'm sleeping between the flight to CA and the one to NZ
17:34 chris yeah
17:34 chris oh, i dont do that
17:34 nengard I'm sleeping the night before
17:34 nengard what???
17:34 magnus someone said not to sleep the night before leaving too?
17:34 nengard we got a flight into Wellington - no stop in aukland so we're skipping the road trip
17:33 chris hehe yes
17:33 magnus don't remember the name, better figure that out before we leave... ;-)
17:33 chris my advice is try not to sleep until its actually sleep time if you can
17:33 cait I still need to print out maps, timetables and such..
17:33 chris ah righto
17:33 magnus chris: i guess we are staying at the hotel jo set up for the starting point of the road trip
17:33 chris reva you can order them by rank
17:32 magnus cait: who knows? ;-)
17:32 reva Also, is there a way to order the z39.50 targets by the name? (It right now sorts by the addresses entered under Host Name).
17:32 cait magnus: perhaps you will want to sleep
17:32 magnus will probably not be very hard to force...
17:32 chris your hotel is in auckland city?
17:32 chris hehe
17:32 cait will force magnus to have dinner with me (although he doesn't know yet... ;) )
17:31 cait chris: yes
17:31 magnus chris: yeah!
17:31 cait panic!
17:31 chris means you get here on the 21st eh?
17:31 cait ok, so it is 11 :)
17:31 magnus cait: yup me too
17:31 cait flying on 19th
17:30 magnus cait: you leave on tuesday too? i didn't count today...
17:30 * owen too
17:29 * jcamins is very jealous of everyone who is going to NZ.
17:29 jcamins Of course, if you don't know vi, that's not a helpful suggestion.
17:29 cait 12 days :)
17:29 SJeffery Sadly, I am not.
17:29 jcamins SJeffery: if you're familiar with ViM, it's really easy to change case in vi. ~ ;)
17:29 owen reva: Batch modification, under Tools
17:28 reva Anyone, is there a global way to move selected records to the newly created shelving location?
17:28 magnus lemme see, 7 workdays, 4 weekenddays = 11 days!
17:27 nengard 13 days here!
17:27 SJeffery Heh, I left the huge 505 field in title case from the copying and pasting. Rather than spend 30 minutes changing it I think I will call it good enough:D
17:27 chris 12 days now magnus ?
17:26 magnus morning chris
17:26 SJeffery Yeah, that is the plan. They will link in 773 to the OCLC number so should all be good (part of the reason I am creating the proceedings volume record first).
17:25 jcamins At least per-volume, so you can link the 773 directly.
17:24 reva Hi all, I just added a new shelving location in my Koha. Is there a two-step process to do that? : select the records to move and move them all in one go to the newly created shelving location? Thanks
17:24 jcamins SJeffery: make sure you use unique ID numbers of some sort (accession numbers are good).
17:20 jcamins Yes.
17:19 SJeffery So I am thinking 111, 490, and 811 for the monograph record, then the same 490 and 811 + 773 for the in analytic records. That should display something almost sensible.
17:16 cait morning chris
17:13 chris chris_n: thanks for the hudson fix
17:13 chris morning
17:09 jcamins You could also use "International Conference on Mining Innovation" for the 490, of course.
17:08 SJeffery About 50/50 from what I have seen in mining
17:05 jcamins But with numismatics, people are more likely to *recognize* the abbreviation than the actual name.
17:05 jcamins That's what I'd probably do.
17:04 SJeffery The conference name is one of those two-parters with an acronym (MININ 2010 International Conference on Mining Innovation). Everything else I was putting under "International Conference on Mining Innovation" but put "MININ" for the 490?
17:00 jcamins I probably would not put the conference in 611.
17:00 jcamins Conference in 111 and 811. 490 would be the commonly-used name (for example "Coinage of the Americas Conference ; v. 10."
16:59 jcamins Sorry, got called away for a moment.
16:56 jcamins Conference in 111 and 811.
16:55 jcamins I would do the following:
16:55 SJeffery Jcamins: Hey, just trying to figure out cataloging of the proceedings itself as a monograph. So if the conferece is the 111, should the exact same name be duplicated in the 490, 611, AND 811?
16:54 jcamins SJeffery: now I'm back.
16:53 nengard not me - i'm too much of a control freak :)
16:52 magnus heh, you could have had a ghost writer, i guess ;-)
16:52 nengard Practical Open Source Software for Libraries
16:52 nengard http://opensource.web2learning.net
16:52 SJeffery What book?
16:51 nengard i haven't seen it in print that is - of course I've editing it electronically
16:51 magnus ouch!
16:51 nengard yes that's right - the author still hasn't seen the book!!!
16:51 nengard magnus - nengard hopes her book arrives before the trip as well :(
16:44 * magnus hopes nengard's book arrives before the trip to kohacon ;-)
16:43 fredericd thks owen
16:42 owen gmcharlt said earlier, "it will flip to 3.02.00.000 (or 3.02.00.001, etc., in the unlikely event that DB updates are needed) upon general release"
16:42 fredericd http://tinyurl.com/23toymx
16:41 fredericd gmcharlt: warning, 3.2 RC has kohaversion.pl indicating a 3.01.00.999 version
16:39 cait hi magnus :)
16:39 nengard I love it, it was one of the best open source finds in my book
16:38 nengard :) hehe
16:38 nengard I KNOW!!!
16:38 wizzyrea nengard: limesurvey is neat
16:37 magnus guten abend, cait & #koha
16:36 cait :)
16:36 owen Not morning, not dinner time, lunch time!
16:35 cait SJeffery not morning in my case - dinner time :)
16:35 cait *turns around so she is hiding behind druthb*
16:35 SJeffery mornin
16:35 cait hey :)
16:35 * druthb hides behind cait.
16:34 cait hi #koha
16:30 SJeffery Jcamins: Back yet? Have an interesting cataloging question :)
16:22 mib_0obl6 Ah - never mind, fixed it without using relative paths, for some reason it didn't like them, so used absolute paths instead....working now!
16:14 mib_0obl6 pointing to....any ideas?
16:14 mib_0obl6 Hi, again.....I have managed to find my problem with the XSLTDisplay and Results page. The systempreference table has a path to the XSL file which was incorrect, however, I can't seem to figure out what path it should be
16:12 nengard sorry for the duplicate emails all
16:12 nengard so they're not really signed off on
16:12 nengard keep forgetting the -s in my sign off patches
16:09 rhcl_away hi brendan
16:09 brendan morning all
15:55 wizzyrea that would be my experience, yes.
15:52 owen And "PTFS Master" is built on Harley?
15:51 wizzyrea afaik LEK is only in use by current customers, new folks are using PTFS Master (but I don't work there, I don't really know)
15:49 owen LBA: I'd be surprised if any of the "Koha" migrations PTFS has announced are real Koha installations
15:49 LBA If it says "Koha" it had better not be LEK or Harley...just sayin'
15:48 kf ok. leaving now :) bye al!
15:48 cyrixbmx or my poor english.
15:48 cyrixbmx I have a question. I uploaded the file "fr-CA-pref.po" who have a size of 146 000 bytes in the folder "src/misc/translator/po" and after I execute this command "./translate -p install fr-CA" but the command change my file "fr-CA-pref.po" and the new file have 89 000 bytes and have no traduction. Since the file "fr-CA-pref.po" have no traduction then my interface is in english. Why the command "./translate -p install fr-CA" change my file? Excuse me f
15:48 owen If PTFS says "Koha," he reports Koha.
15:48 owen LBA: That's one of the problems with Marshall Breeding's announcements, he doesn't ask questions about actual versions in use
15:47 chris_n at some point we will end-of-life 3.2.x
15:47 kf thx :)
15:47 kf ah
15:47 chris_n correct
15:47 kf so you aim for a 90 days cycle between major releases?
15:47 chris_n basically it will be determined by how long we decide that 3.2.x should be maintained
15:47 chris_n will it be 3.6 or 3.8... we will make that decision at a later point in time
15:46 kf ?
15:46 chris_n "to be decided"
15:46 chris_n X is unknown
15:46 kf what about the second line?
15:46 LBA Picking up on someone else's question about whether PTFS/Liblime supports ANY clients on official Koha...I've asked John Yokley AND Northwest Arkanasa Community College whether they were actually on official Koha or Harley or LEK but have not gotten a clear answer. Marshall Breeding report states "...Liblime is the provider for their neew ILS of choice, Koha." I asked Marshall...he doesn't know either.
15:45 kf yep
15:45 chris_n assuming there are bug-fixes in that timeframe
15:45 kf From 3.4.stable to X.X.stable ?
15:45 chris_n correct
15:45 kf so 3.2.x are released every 30 days?
15:45 kf From 3.2.stable to 3.4.stable Release once every 30 days or as bug fixes are available whichever is longer.
15:44 kf I am not sure I ge the time frame
15:44 sekjal thanks, chris_n!
15:44 chris_n many good things are still over there which need to be moved
15:43 chris_n kf: I only moved it over from the old wiki
15:43 gmcharlt chris_n++
15:43 kf chris_n: why do you have to post that now? I can't leave if interesting things happen :)
15:42 chris_n sekjal: for an outline of my plans for 3.2.x maintenance, see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3_2_x_Release_Maintainer
15:42 kf bye all
15:37 mib_0obl6 slán
15:36 SJeffery Cya
15:36 jcamins Anyway, my wife's here to join me for lunch (she's been staying with my parents all week, so I haven't seen her since Sunday), so I will rejoin this conversation a bit later.
15:35 mib_0obl6 at least I can see where it came from now
15:35 mib_0obl6 I think I might be onto something. The syspref.sql that is run from the installer has that path above (koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl)
15:35 jcamins Did they ever?
15:34 gmcharlt SJeffery: yep, alas, the typo-free cataloging gods no longer live among us
15:34 jcamins SJeffery: heh. I suppose a bit.
15:33 SJeffery Jcamins: It is like finding out the easter bunny is not real....that "professional catalogers" take shortcuts and make mistakes in records like the rest of us.
15:32 jcamins It looks like that's the syspref... not that I can figure out how to edit it.
15:32 jcamins SJeffery: if you don't collect conference proceedings, you don't need any fields other than $t.
15:32 mib_0obl6 opachtdocs ?
15:31 jcamins mib_0obl6: actually, make that opachtdocs
15:31 owen Thanks LBA!
15:30 jcamins mib_0obl6: that was in answer to your question.
15:30 owen It's ahead of 3.0.6, but I'm not sure what's different
15:30 LBA Just popped in and saw the happy news! Congrats to all!
15:30 owen OPAC XSLT is working for me in my 3.0.x test install
15:30 jcamins intrahtdocs
15:30 SJeffery jcamins: I don't get that...I mean, if you are spending the time to put in a 505 it should be only add a little bit more time to do it enhanced (compared to the overall record creation time), and it isn't like more than .1% of books would ever need it.
15:28 mib_0obl6 sure
15:28 jcamins mib_0obl6: let me check something. Hold on.
15:28 jcamins SJeffery: I suspect because so few libraries enhance their 505s.
15:27 mib_0obl6 I know, but I need the XSLT on to get the display the way I want
15:27 SJeffery jcamins: Yeah, not sure why it isn't already in there. Just a formatted display would be easy enough.
15:27 wizzyrea not as purty, but at least functional
15:27 wizzyrea I don't, actually. a temporary way around it is to turn off xslt for the OPAC
15:27 jcamins Actually, complete support for enhanced 505s would be very easy.
15:26 jcamins However, that would be a really easy fix.
15:26 jcamins SJeffery: it shows $t only.
15:26 mib_0obl6 wizzyrea: do you know where the parser gets the path from?
15:26 chris_n I've also begun moving over the current release team proposals; they are linked to in the aforementioned page
15:25 SJeffery Having a hell of a time with all the demo sites out there for some reason, might just be our proxy though.
15:25 * chris_n moves over Release Team pages from the old wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Community_Roles
15:25 jcamins Let me check.
15:25 jcamins I'm not sure.
15:25 SJeffery Does it at least display them?
15:25 SJeffery *sigh* Adds that to the list
15:24 jcamins SJeffery: at the moment Koha doesn't really do enhanced 505s.
15:24 wizzyrea hm shouldn't matter (shouldn't)
15:24 SJeffery jcamins: Yeah, still working through it. I am creating a record in OCLC for a proceedings (the 4th in this series) right now, then will do an analytic of one of the articles as an example. I have everything done but the series stuff right now. Btw, do you have any examples of how Koha displays an enhanced 505? Trying to figure out if it is worth doing enhance
15:24 mib_0obl6 so the original install was standard
15:23 mib_0obl6 standard.....it was an upgrade thought, from 3.05, which is concerning me a little
15:23 wizzyrea hm. Did you do the dev install or standard install?
15:23 mib_0obl6 which I think is the norm....isn't it?
15:22 mib_0obl6 htdocs
15:21 wizzyrea in your install
15:21 wizzyrea what is the directory above opac-tmpl
15:20 mib_0obl6 but can find where or why its looking to that path
15:20 mib_0obl6 nope, not in koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt but just ../opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt
15:20 wizzyrea if it doesn't, you might be able to put in the version from git, I recall having this problem a few months ago myself
15:18 wizzyrea does the file exist?
15:18 mib_0obl6 me too - :-)
15:18 wizzyrea o yes, this seems familiar to me
15:17 mib_0obl6 3.06
15:16 owen What version mib_0obl6 ?
15:16 mib_0obl6 Could not create file parser context for file "../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl": No such file or directory at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/XSLT.pm line 16
15:15 mib_0obl6 Hello all - I get the error below when I enable XSLDetailDisplay and XSLResultsDisplay, they problem I think is the "koha-tmpl" path, any ideas?
15:13 jcamins I am still inclined to use a 773/774 combination, with kf's awesome linking enhancements, though. If you treat analytics as a series, you have a problem with item records (assuming you want item records, of course).
15:11 jcamins SJeffery: interesting message in response to your message on AUTOCAT.
15:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5281 trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time
15:10 briceSanc the fix for bug 5281 is out !
15:10 munin 04Bug 5281: trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time
15:10 briceSanc http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5281
15:09 cyrixbmx or my poor english.
15:09 cyrixbmx I have a question. I uploaded the file "fr-CA-pref.po" who have a size of 146 000 bytes in the folder "src/misc/translator/po" and after I execute this command "./translate -p install fr-CA" but the command change my file "fr-CA-pref.po" and the new file have 89 000 bytes and have no traduction. Since the file "fr-CA-pref.po" have no traduction then my interface is in english. Why the command "./translate -p install fr-CA" change my file? Excuse me f
14:59 SJeffery I'd rather be napping, but I am at work, grr.
14:58 nengard i'd rather be napping ... but hey i'll take sitting :) hehe
14:57 SJeffery I know that feeling.
14:53 nengard just got back from PT and am happy to get to just sit here and not move my legs!! :)
14:53 druthb hi, nengard
14:53 nengard howdy all
14:52 owen Hi nengard
14:40 SJeffery Ah. I will find out in the very near future, we are supposed to start using them in the very near future and will need to talk to them about available versions.
14:40 owen I know some Liblime customers are now on "Harley", so I assumed that "Koha Community" was being phased out
14:39 owen ...as an alternative to their Koha forks.
14:39 owen At one time Liblime offered its customers an out-of-date version of the official Koha release, calling it "Koha Community"
14:38 SJeffery It is important:)
14:37 owen It's not important SJeffery, just musing.
14:37 SJeffery In what sense?
14:37 owen Does Liblime even support "Koha Community" anymore?
14:35 owen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases
14:35 SJeffery Alright, where is that page that lists all of the Koha demo sites?
14:24 druthb getting either one up to a 3.2 base is going to be a non-trivially-hard bit of work, that will take our seriously-underpowered dev team a good bit of effort to do. I keep saying so...
14:23 owen I'm glad you're keeping the issue on the table
14:22 druthb LEK is quite a bit farther behind. An artifact that we inherited in an already-bad state, and getting progressively worse. It's an issue I raise very regularly--for both repos--in our dev meetings.
14:21 owen But "Harley" suggests that this is not the case
14:21 owen druthb: I hope for PTFS developers' sake that someone is keeping a LEK repo synced with HEAD
14:18 * druthb would love to settle all this business with a couple of "git push"es...but resuming homelessness and unemployment are not in her career goals.
14:11 jwagner see statement above about contract status -- the client has to accept everything done under that contract before any of it can be released. We'd like very much to release what's already done, but we are not legally permitted to.
14:08 owen One of those promises was: LEK will be released "soon" to the public
14:08 owen jwagner: Promises were made to me by Joshua Ferraro. Promises which are still unfulfilled. PTFS "bought" those promises along with Liblime.
14:03 jwagner As has also been said on multiple occasions, PTFS had no control over any of Liblime's actions before the purchase. Many of those actions were specifically hostile to us, in fact. We are now trying to repair the damage as well as supporting our current clients.
14:02 jwagner "Liblime's previous head" -- was not apparent from your comments. Thus, anyone who reads it would assume you were referring to us. This disturbs me.
14:02 ebegin gmcharlt, but you are right, the ModZebra code just updates the zebraqueue table... what else coud force the update then...?!?
14:01 owen jwagner: I'm just riffing on the statements made by Liblime's previous head, who condemned the entire open source Koha project as incompetent compared to Liblime's fabulous code
14:00 jwagner It's not something we can change.
14:00 jwagner owen, as I stated yesterday and has been stated previously, the LEK code release is controlled by the terms of a contract we inherited. When the terms of that contract are fulfilled, the code will be released. I'm sorry you don't seem to be able to believe that simple statement of fact.
13:59 ebegin what kind of amazed me...
13:59 ebegin what king of amazed me...
13:59 ebegin I was using zebraqueue deamon for a while. I stopped it and when I save a record, the changes are indexed right away
13:58 ebegin nope. in zebra mode...
13:57 gmcharlt are you thinking of NoZebra mode, perchance?
13:57 sekjal ... actually, Mercurian years would be about right, I think....
13:57 gmcharlt yes - there has never been instantaneous direct updates of the zebra index
13:56 ebegin gmcharlt, was it always like that?
13:56 gmcharlt it's rebuild_zebra.pl -z that actually does the indexing
13:56 gmcharlt ebegin: ModZebra just adds an entry to zebraqueue signalling that the record needs to be reindexed
13:56 sekjal Mercurian years?
13:55 owen Which, incidentally, is how certain people can have been involved in open source ilses for "15 years"
13:54 ebegin about my question... why do we need to call rebuild_zebra every once a while again?
13:54 owen :D
13:54 sekjal owen: LEK is what's in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction
13:53 ebegin s/thing/think/
13:53 ebegin A computer does what you tell it to do, not what you thing you tell it to do ;)
13:52 owen That's the reason LEK has never been made public. The code is so perfect we'd go blind from gazing upon it.
13:52 ebegin We wish... Even the NASA, who spends thousands of $ in multistages of code review/approval, has bugs
13:51 chris_n perfect code!
13:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron Search Produces Incorrectly Sorted and Missing Results
13:51 sekjal bug 5266 is another
13:51 ebegin yep, that why new features shouldn't be introduced in the beta/RC stage
13:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
13:51 sekjal bug 4945, for one
13:51 owen gmcharlt: Aren't we agile enough?
13:51 sekjal owen: I've got several bugs on my to-tackle list that I'm hoping to have ready before 3.2.1 would be ready for release
13:50 owen sekjal: What did you mean by a list you were "targeting"
13:50 * gmcharlt *snorts*
13:50 sekjal ebegin: but we're all going to write flawless code this time around, right?
13:49 sekjal but upgrading 3.2.2 to 3.4, it makes sense to do more training
13:49 ebegin s/as/have/
13:48 ebegin sekjal, and new features as high probability to add new bugs
13:48 sekjal it would be best not to have to retrain librarians when the upgrade from 3.2.0 to 3.2.1
13:48 sekjal chris_n: ah... I think I get it
13:47 chris_n sekjal: so we don't compete with 3.4 as well as the administrative burden of major changes often introduced by new features
13:47 ebegin Hey! Why do we need to call zebraqueue deamon when the ModZebra function is called when a bib is modified?
13:46 chris_n new features should only make it into HEAD *after* they are stable
13:46 sekjal why not add new features to 3.2.x, if they're ready in master?
13:46 chris_n yup
13:45 sekjal and new features should all have their own branches, based of HEAD (or close to), right?
13:45 chris_n bug-fixes and things that are truly enhancements to existing features will appear in 3.2.x
13:45 chris_n only new features will not appear in 3.2.x
13:45 sekjal okay, good
13:45 chris_n correct
13:44 chris_n simply put, I will be cherry-picking bug-fixes from HEAD back into 3.2.x
13:44 sekjal it seems to me that 3.2.x should be a proper subset (when looking at commits) of what's in HEAD
13:44 chris_n 3.2.x will not have new features which may end up in HEAD
13:43 owen Oh now I'm really confused
13:43 chris_n no
13:43 sekjal so 3.2.x will have new features that aren't in HEAD?
13:43 chris_n 3.2.x will not diverge from HEAD with the exception of new features
13:42 chris_n we are shooting for keeping HEAD stable going forward
13:42 chris_n once 3.4 is released
13:41 owen At what point does HEAD become 3.4.x ?
13:41 chris_n owen: any bug-fixes which make it into stable HEAD will be applied to 3.2.x
13:36 kf I am working on the record samples - hope to have it ready tomorrow
13:35 kf morning jcmains :)
13:29 jcamins That was supposed to be #koha, by the way.
13:29 sekjal owen: I've got a list I'm targeting
13:29 * owen is curious what kinds of bug-fix patches will make it into 3.2.1
13:28 jcamins Morning, 3koha
13:28 sekjal well, time to work on 3.2.1
13:28 sekjal owen: fair enough, I suppose. it's been a long time comin'.
13:26 owen sekjal: I think everyone's hung over
13:15 * sekjal throws confetti as he walks in
12:55 briceSanc ok because i search what is modified in the database
12:55 gmcharlt briceSanc: full release notes for 3.0->3.2 are still in process; as far as the beta->RC is concerned, changes have mostly been bugfixes
12:54 owen briceSanc: I don't think there is yet. Usually it comes with the official release
12:53 briceSanc is there a changelog for this new version of Koha?
12:51 jwagner Been a long couple of days, huh :-)
12:51 gmcharlt ah, yes
12:50 jwagner er, did you mean 3.02.00.000?
12:49 jwagner OK, I wondered if that was the "flipping" point. Thanks.
12:49 gmcharlt it will flip to 3.01.00.000 (or 3.01.00.001, etc., in the unlikely event that DB updates are needed) upon general release
12:48 jwagner gmcharlt, one minor puzzlement -- the version number after a git pull now says 3.01.00.999. Will that change to 3.2 at some point?
12:46 briceSanc thanks owen and magnus !
12:46 briceSanc Koha ask me to update the database
12:46 briceSanc it seems to work
12:45 magnus briceSanc: sudo apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl
12:44 briceSanc ok what do i need to do ?
12:43 owen briceSanc: Business/ISBN.pm is a new dependency
12:43 briceSanc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/var/sites/master.koha.sys-tech.net/src/C4/Koha.pm line 27.
12:43 briceSanc The main error is : Can't locate Business/ISBN.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha/var/sites/master.koha.sys-tech.net/src /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha/var/sites/master.koha.sys-tech.net/src/C4/Koha.pm line 27.
12:43 briceSanc My Koha is connected to the Koha Git community and since yesterday nothing works, however Git tells me that I am already up to date. Any idea of the problem?
12:38 briceSanc hello
12:38 * owen finishes reading the log from last night and now has the Portal song in his head
12:34 druthb hi, kf. :)
12:33 jwagner Guten tag, kf
12:33 kf hi druthb and jwagner
12:31 * gmcharlt writes a test case for infinite recursion
12:26 * druthb sets up the "infinite recursion" warning flag.
12:25 * chris_n runs away screaming.... tests of tests.... aaaahhhhh!
12:25 chris_n which is now fixed
12:24 chris_n he was hung on the template test deadlock issue
12:24 * gmcharlt should have written a test case for the test case ;)
12:24 * chris_n fixed hudson earlier
12:24 * owen doesn't think there is ever a done
12:23 jwagner Yeah, I've already run into that one. But given that hudson still seems to be churning away, I wasn't sure things were really done.
12:23 owen A wise man.
12:23 gmcharlt owen: I wonder who that might have been
12:23 gmcharlt note that there's a new Perl dependency, Business::ISBN, that you'll need to install when you upgrade
12:23 owen As someone once said
12:23 owen "Pending confirmation of successful installations and upgrades, this will become the general release of 3.2.0"
12:22 gmcharlt yep
12:21 jwagner Is it in final stage yet? i.e., ready to do a git pull?
12:21 jwagner morning all. Looks like gmcharlt has been busy :-)
12:20 gmcharlt good morning
12:19 owen Hi druthb and #koha
12:18 druthb hi, owen. :)
11:47 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Adding a temporary workaround to keep template tests from borking on very large templates
11:47 hudsonbot Project Koha build (64): SUCCESS in 7 min 48 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/64/
11:41 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
11:41 chris_n @later tell chris fixed hudson
11:39 hudsonbot Starting build 64 for job Koha (previous build: ABORTED -- last ABORTED #63 8 hr 17 min ago)
11:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5288 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Business::ISBN isn't specified as a dependency
11:39 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Bug 5288 - Update package dependencies, control source details
11:39 hudsonbot Project Koha build (63): ABORTED in 8 hr 16 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/63/
11:32 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
11:32 chris_n @later tell chris hudson is hung up
11:04 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding a temporary workaround to keep template tests from borking on very large templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b647f01f51883a0e0596a9e66e9623af92b2ad62>
10:59 * larsw suspects it is good for karma to make large numbers of very small commits :)
10:58 larsw oh, wow, I'm mentioned in the RC announcement
09:59 hdl CGI124: it is the search query and get results package
09:16 CGI124 can i know what is the purpose for Net::Z3950::ZOOM
09:16 CGI124 can i know what is the purpose for Net::Z3950::ZOOM
09:03 CGI124 tq christ. i can search catolog now after i configure zebra and reboot
08:33 CGI818 10.04
08:31 chris section 5 in INSTALL.ubuntu too
08:31 chris 10.10 ? or 10.04?
08:30 chris in the INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions its section 5
08:30 CGI818 ubuntu 10
08:29 chris what version of linux are you running ?
08:29 chris no
08:28 CGI818 related to Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25?
08:27 chris did you follow the instructions for setting up zebra?
08:27 CGI818 how i can check it is launched or set it from ?
08:27 hdl zebra not launched ?
08:26 CGI818 3.0.6
08:26 chris what version of koha?
08:26 CGI818 can I know why after I success installed koha. but i cannot search the book title from catalog after I add one record in cataloging
08:25 CGI818 hi ALL
08:23 chris its in use in numerous libraries in production already
08:23 chris release candidate released today
08:17 tance but 3.2 is not stable version
07:56 kf you are using 3.00.06
07:55 kf I mean 3.2
07:50 tance you mean version 3.00.02 or 3.2
07:41 kf 3.2 is really near - but I am not sure how this works there
07:41 kf tance: you could hide the link with jquery until the bug is fixed - and to get it fixed you should file a bug report, naming the version of koha you are using and your settings
07:41 tance koha 3.06
07:40 kf tance: which version of koha are you using?
07:39 tance does any body know??????
07:39 tance how to fix this bug
07:36 ivanc gut
07:34 kf gut ;)
07:34 tance Wie geht's!
07:33 ivanc guten morgen kf
07:33 kf hi ivanc
07:32 kf delete all items
07:32 ivanc hallo #koha
07:32 kf I can imagine it is a bug
07:32 kf delete item is a quite new feature
07:32 tance ?????
07:32 tance any idea
07:30 tance record
07:30 tance and then you can delete and the recordù
07:29 tance is the option to delete all items
07:29 kf I searched for a, opened the first book with edit items
07:29 kf yes
07:29 tance did you try in my site?
07:28 kf tance: but I am not sure I should try out 'delete all items'
07:28 kf chris: yes, much better, thx!
07:27 kf tance: I cant delete them from edit items screen, the links are missing
07:26 chris kf: better now?
07:26 tance and you will see what im saying
07:26 tance make a search with the letter 'a'
07:25 tance pass demo
07:25 tance usr demo
07:25 tance http://shkollaime.com:8080
07:25 tance try it
07:25 tance but users can modify delete books of the aother libraries
07:24 kf ah, the translation is pushing us - I wondered why we are ranked so high
07:24 tance i have turn on independentBranch on
07:24 tance i have bullt a koha for diferent libraires
07:23 kf thx :)
07:23 tance i have a problem with koha permisions
07:23 chris yup will do
07:23 kf can you change to BSZ-BW? BW is for the state baden württemberg :)
07:22 chris its picked that up from your email
07:22 magnus hi tance
07:22 tance hello
07:22 kf chris: BSZ-DW?
07:20 kf morning magnus :)
07:20 magnus guten morgen, kf
07:13 chris yup ;)
07:12 kf nice to wake up to rc 1 :)
07:12 kf morning chris :)
07:10 chris hiya kf
07:10 kf good morning #koha :)
07:01 hdl chris: wOOOt
07:01 chris hi hdl happy 3.2.0 day ;)
06:45 chris heh
06:44 magnus woohoo!
05:32 fredericd Thanks all for the today RC
05:17 chris heh
04:01 * Braedon wonders how one would say 'slash' while covering with a cough...
03:59 Braedon *cough* sun/oracle *cough*
03:56 chris http://twitter.com/thesethings/status/26609256654
03:27 chris night chris_n
03:26 chris_n ok, off to bed
03:24 chris_n gmcharlt: patch sent to the list
03:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5288 - Update package dependencies, control source details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=292c618572b1a69d5ab935d80796fb53eb2bee9a>
03:22 hudsonbot Starting build 63 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:21 chris_n still fails 2 tests, but does finish now
03:19 robin cya
03:18 chris_n g'night gmcharlt
03:17 chris sleep well you earned it
03:17 chris thanks heaps gmcharlt
03:17 chris yeah that will stop hudson hanging for the moment
03:16 gmcharlt good night
03:16 * gmcharlt is going to bed
03:16 chris :)
03:16 gmcharlt for the moment, but stick in a big fat FIXME, please
03:16 chris_n so is reading stdout an acceptable workaround for the time being?
03:15 robin gmcharlt: sweet :)
03:15 gmcharlt robin: patch pushed
03:13 chris i think that is what is happening, some kinda deadlock, possibly triggered by the length of the file
03:13 chris yeah
03:11 gmcharlt but I think it would still be subject to the possiblity of deadlock
03:11 gmcharlt paste helps by ensuring that stdout is read
03:11 gmcharlt your http://paste.koha-community.org/76
03:11 chris ahh yeah
03:11 gmcharlt perldoc IPC::Open3 indicates that we need to be more careful with the IO, since we've set readers for both stdout and stderr in the open3 call
03:10 gmcharlt chris_n: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=150748 is relevant here
03:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5288 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Business::ISBN isn't specified as a dependency
03:10 robin gmcharlt: just added an installation patch on bug #5288
03:09 * chris_n scratches his head
03:09 chris_n runs fine now
03:09 chris_n opps
03:08 chris_n built-in find_file: can't find file popup-bottom.inc (included from ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl) with path = [ 'koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes' ]
03:08 chris_n gmcharlt: running with the include path yields this:
03:06 pastebot "chris_n" at 184.0.137.59 pasted "return sub { return unless -f" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/76
03:06 chris_n chris: try this and see if things fly ok
03:05 gmcharlt robin++
03:05 robin Hey folks, new Koha packages uploaded!
03:05 chris_n right
03:05 gmcharlt it's the path to the include dir
03:05 chris_n if I just parse through the contents of the CHILD_OUT handle, the test runs fine
03:05 gmcharlt or second argument rather
03:05 chris_n interesting
03:05 gmcharlt ./test_template.pl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/
03:05 gmcharlt it should be something like
03:04 gmcharlt chris_n: the third argument is missing
02:59 chris_n I think that error is being pushed out CHILD_OUT rather than CHILD_ERR
02:57 darling happy 3.2.0 everybody
02:55 chris yeah it seems to get stuck in that while loop forever
02:54 * chris_n wonders why that does not come in <CHILD_ERR>?
02:53 chris_n Pro.xs: non-zero exit code 3 at /usr/lib/perl5/HTML/Template/Pro.pm line 200.
02:53 chris_n ./test_template.pl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl
02:53 chris_n check this out
02:49 * chris_n wonders if the test failure has anything to do with that line ending in '--gmc'... ;-)
02:48 chris_n that is funny :)
02:47 chris_n still happens around here on occasion
02:47 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/4985102611/ even when sick .. you must poke your sleeping brother in the nose
02:46 chris my two are at the annoy each other phase
02:46 chris :)
02:46 chris_n actually our oldest daughter takes care of putting the youngest daughter to bed each night, so that explains why we were having coffee
02:45 chris_n jcamins: our oldest is 15 and youngest is 4 and each one is very dear
02:45 chris with licorice
02:44 jcamins chris_n: fair enough.
02:43 chris_n jcamins: after four there will be no more teething in this house unless it is grandchildren and then they will be promptly sent home :-)
02:43 robin + libuniversal-require-perl,
02:43 robin - libtest-harness-perl | perl-modules,
02:43 robin + libnet-server-perl,
02:43 robin for the interested, these are the dep changes: + libbusiness-isbn-perl,
02:43 jcamins Is chris_n Jr teething? ;)
02:42 jcamins_a That's an ironic juxtaposition.
02:41 chris while (<CHILD_ERR>) {
02:41 chris ahh it gets stuck in here
02:39 chris_n gmcharlt: never too late to drink coffee with my wife ;-)
02:32 robin yeah, that's the one
02:31 chris thats a new one
02:31 chris Business::ISBN ?
02:30 robin hmm
02:30 robin oh. missing module.
02:30 robin woah, I just had a huge bunch of tests fail.
02:26 chris i wonder if its just that
02:26 chris yeah nothing (including the xslt) comes close to the same size
02:25 gmcharlt chris_n: isn't it a bit late to be drinking coffee? :)
02:25 chris K even
02:25 chris 322k
02:24 chris it is one of the bigger templates
02:21 chris yeah, mved the file .. it completed fine
02:20 * chris tries an expirement
02:20 chris so yeah its that file
02:20 chris right thats what gmcharlt said
02:20 * chris_n is off to drink coffee with his wife
02:20 chris_n weirdness
02:20 chris_n fails on value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl
02:18 chris nengard made a point of telling me i had to update it :-)
02:18 gmcharlt chris: just a moment
02:18 chris gmcharlt: want me to update http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ ?
02:17 chris but different on every box :)
02:17 chris oh so it does
02:17 chris_n fails the same every run on this box
02:16 chris_n 262
02:16 chris yeah its random :)
02:16 chris_n and hangs on
02:16 chris_n 249
02:16 chris_n fails on 247
02:16 chris_n hmm
02:14 chris on bugs
02:14 chris ok 20 - no errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_100.tmpl
02:14 * chris_n wonders if he is the first one to have the RC in production use ;-)
02:13 chris on my desktop
02:13 chris is where it seems to be stopping
02:13 chris ok 97 - no errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_140.tmpl
02:13 chris perl xt/author/valid-templates.t
02:12 chris if i try running it this way
02:12 chris_n hung on lucid for me
02:11 * chris_n gets bit by the new dep again :-\
02:11 gmcharlt heh - and yet it never hangs for me
02:11 chris gmcharlt: well on 3 different machiens, 2 lucid one lenny, i can get it to hang .. at random places .. i have no idea what its doing
02:10 * robin prepares packages
02:09 chris hm or maybe not, it just did it on a lenny box for me too
02:07 chris yeah it does seem to be an ubuntu thing
02:07 chris_n and we're hung
02:07 pastebot "chris_n" at 184.0.137.59 pasted "prove xt/author/valid-templates.t" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75
02:06 chris_n running now
02:06 chris i wonder if its ram
02:05 chris prove xt/author/valid-templates.t
02:05 chris try running
02:05 chris in a koha checkout
02:05 chris_n several aamof
02:05 robin aren't non-deterministic bugs fun?
02:05 chris chris_n: got an ubuntu machine handy?
02:05 chris ohhh it got to 18/? that time
02:04 chris on my ubuntu box at work, its currently hung on 70
02:04 chris and then it hung on 15/
02:04 chris ctrl-c
02:04 chris it hung on the first one that time
02:04 chris xt/author/valid-templates.t .. 1/?
02:04 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: mark 3.2.0 release candidate - DBrev 3.01.00.999
02:04 chris prove xt/author/valid-templates.t
02:04 hudsonbot Project Koha build (62): SUCCESS in 9 min 41 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/62/
02:03 chris interesting
02:01 * chris_n ssh's in to get the latest scoop on his production box
01:54 chris_n gmcharlt++
01:54 hudsonbot Starting build 62 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:54 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: defer rotating collections
01:54 hudsonbot Project Koha build (61): SUCCESS in 45 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/61/
01:51 chris i wonder what it is blocking on
01:51 chris that is weird
01:44 chris or at lest will attempt too
01:43 gmcharlt thanks
01:43 chris gmcharlt: will do
01:43 chris heh
01:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: mark 3.2.0 release candidate - DBrev 3.01.00.999 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f3d93bd417d10efa22cc0d2462ef3f08fb840a6>
01:43 robin Of course, _now_ I find a patch I meant to send in but forgot to.
01:42 gmcharlt doesn't happen to me on Debian
01:42 gmcharlt it happily finishes if you kill it, but if you can figure out why it's hanging on marc21_field_007.tmpl, that would be great
01:42 chris ill go look
01:41 chris hmmmm
01:41 gmcharlt for some reason prove xt/author/valid-templates.t is hanging on just that particular template
01:41 gmcharlt chris: take a look at process 7413 on bugs
01:36 gmcharlt cool
01:30 chris at least im not getting any 500's anywhere
01:30 chris and done, appears to have installed fine gmcharlt
01:28 richard ah yeah. someone entered it on our staff calendar
01:27 chris http://wellington.pm.org/
01:27 chris you can listen to doug
01:27 chris perl mongers on tuesday night too
01:27 chris :-)
01:27 richard might even dust off my copy of 'teach yourself perl in 21 days'
01:26 * richard plans to set up a koha on my box at home this weekend - if it's raining
01:25 chris so far so good
01:25 pastebot "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Koha's files have now been ins" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/74
01:24 chris ok make install
01:24 chris *nod*
01:23 chris (it helps having a fresh squeeze instance handy)
01:23 robin while that other thing is being looked into, I may have to read through those commits and start prepping new packages.
01:23 chris ok, up to making now
01:20 chris cool it checked for Business::ISBN
01:19 chris running perl Makefile.PL
01:17 chris downloading now
01:13 gmcharlt thanks
01:13 chris can do
01:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit: defer rotating collections <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b88131f80d9841aa6a0df35a4ad881f041beb22>
01:12 gmcharlt ok, who wants to grab a tarball from git and do a fresh install on a clean box?
01:11 wasabi thanks galen!
01:10 chris gmcharlt++
01:10 chris awesome :)
01:10 gmcharlt in particular, it will now complain about broken or unstranslatable templates
01:09 gmcharlt chris: hudson now runs some of the author tests
01:09 hudsonbot Starting build 61 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:09 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: translator hack to avoid failure on opac-opensearch.tmpl
01:09 hudsonbot Project Koha build (60): SUCCESS in 14 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/60/
01:03 munin New commit(s) kohagit: translator hack to avoid failure on opac-opensearch.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef5279b47c6ec7b6252527c49b1576671be12575>
00:54 hudsonbot Starting build 60 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:54 hudsonbot gmcharlt: job Koha build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds
00:54 gmcharlt hudsonbot: build Koha
00:51 gmcharlt just a sec
00:50 gmcharlt oops
00:37 chris i have a student who is dead keen to rewrite that, once he has template::toolkitted the templates so the ugliness shouldnt need to last too long :)
00:36 gmcharlt and about to inflict yet more ugliness on TmplTokenizer to get the translatable-templates test case to pass
00:36 chris man, still going, gmcharlt is a machine