Time Nick Message 00:52 brendan @wunder 93117 00:52 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.6�C (5:55 PM PDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). 00:52 chris @wunder wellington, nz 00:52 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on October 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 00:53 chris its pretty much always wrong 00:53 chris :) 00:53 chris i guess cos its out at the airport 00:53 robin chris: although, that's about right 00:53 brendan heh 00:54 brendan 16 would be unseasonable warm eh? 00:54 chris cept for the clouds bit 00:54 chris nope its at least 16 out 00:54 brendan ah 00:54 chris which is about right for october 00:54 chris its hard to know in town tho, cos all the glass and concrete reflect the heat around 00:56 chris if its weather like this for the conference ill be happy 00:59 * chris just realised this is his 12th day in a row working, cos i did the go live last weekend, no wonder im having trouble concentrating 01:11 robin chris: you should take tomorrow off 01:12 chris heh 01:12 chris i think ill finish at 4pm today 01:13 brendan yeah take tomorrow off dude 01:26 * chris_n1 finds a blundering error in the labels code :-P 01:27 chris_n1 0.01 is *not* 10% 01:35 chris :) 03:14 Amit hi chris 03:47 brendan heya Amit 03:48 Amit heya brendan 05:25 REFORMER debian did not recognized my pc's ethernet card and wifi, now I want to move ubuntu 05:26 REFORMER is Installation " KOHA-ILS " on Ubuntu is same as on debian-lenny, I want to install ubuntu via window installer 07:07 kf good morning #koha 07:09 kf good morning hdl 07:13 kmkale hi kf, hdl 07:13 kf hi kmkale 07:13 kmkale hi Amit, chris 07:13 Amit hi kmkale 07:14 Amit heya kf 07:15 kf hi Amit 07:18 ivanc good morning #koha 07:28 kf hi ivanc 07:28 ivanc hi kf 07:42 hdl hi all 07:42 kf hi chris_n1 07:42 kf isn't it too early for you? 07:52 magnus g'day #koha 07:57 kf hi magnus :) 07:57 kf 18 days!! 07:58 magnus hi kf - that's like almost nothing! ;-) 07:58 kf still have to buy a lot of things... uh 07:58 kf it's really like nothing 11:24 druthb mornin'. 11:29 kf good morning druthb :) 11:30 druthb hiya, kf. :) 11:38 kmkale hi druthb 11:39 druthb hi, kmkale! :) 11:39 magnus hiya druthb, paul_p, chris_n, kmkale et al 11:40 paul_p hi magnus 11:40 kmkale hi magnus 11:42 magnus hi jwagner 11:43 jwagner Hi magnus 11:44 kmkale hi jwagner 11:45 jwagner hi kmkale 11:48 kf hi jwagner :) 11:49 jwagner Hi kf 12:27 owen jwagner and druthb you really start early! 12:27 kf hi owen 12:28 druthb owen: yep; usually around 07:30, local time. I catch a 6:30 bus to get here. 12:28 owen I hope that means you're not working til 5PM 12:29 druthb no, I usually leave here on a 15:30 bus, and do some evening work occasionally. 12:32 jwagner The traffic isn't as bad that early -- I'd rather get to work at 7:30 half-awake than deal with the traffic that would be in place if I tried coming in at 8:30. 12:33 * owen likes coming to work early when it's quiet 12:36 druthb it's *never* terribly quiet here, unfortunately. my office is directly across from the breakroom, and jwagner's is very close to the copier/printer/scanner for this end of the building. 12:37 jwagner And in both places, people tend to converse at the tops of their little lungs :-( 12:37 druthb Yes. The notion of "inside voices" never seemed to catch on among certain people here. 12:38 jwagner Fortunately, our boss is quite open to the concept of working from home :-) 12:38 larsw what you need is noise-activated sprinklers 12:38 owen druthb: Tell it to my kids! 12:39 owen Man if I had a nickel for every time I opened up opac-shelves.pl expecting to find something useful... 12:40 druthb larsw: I have discovered that a moderately-well-powered slam of my door disrupts them for a little bit. 12:50 hdl hi all. 12:50 hdl I am having quite surprising answers using scan indexes. Anyone who played with that ? 12:52 hdl a) it is not taking into account any truncation attribute... That is you cannot scan for something which is NOT the beginning of the subfield 12:52 hdl b) when you search for "Dun" you can get things like "duo".... 12:54 kf hdl: I have played with it, the display is broken for some characters, like ß and umlauts 12:56 kf hdl: your description sounds ok to me - because that's what I expect from an index search 12:56 kf starting at the beginning 12:56 kf do you have dun in your database? 12:56 hdl Yes. 12:56 hdl I get some. 12:56 kf ah ok 12:57 hdl But also other things. 12:57 kf yeah, taht seems normal to me 12:57 kf it's like a book of workds 12:57 kf words 12:57 hdl first point is not normal to me. 12:57 kf so you see what is before and after your search too 12:58 kf I am not sure I can explain right what I meant :( 12:58 hdl I expected to be able to input any part of a subfield... And it would search that. 12:58 kf I think we have different expectations 12:59 kf what I know from horizon about alphabetic indexes is very similar to the koha thing, what I miss is a pagination 12:59 kf to go back and forth 12:59 kf see what is around my search term in the alphabetic index 12:59 hdl For instance if I type diable with a scan @attr 1=7 @attr 5=3 @attr 6=3 Diable 12:59 hdl I would like to get "Au Diable vauvert" 13:00 kf hm 13:00 kf I think the thing is is that I have an alphabetic index in mind and you a keyword index 13:00 kf not sure what koha's index search is supposed to be :) 13:01 hdl well, atm maybe you are right. 13:01 hdl information about scan and yaz are very scarce. 13:03 kf I see 3 bugs in bugzilla for scan index 13:03 kf bug 3630 13:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3630 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, probleme with scan indexes 13:03 kf bug 4393 13:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4393 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Searching with scan indexes and sort by title fails 13:03 kf bug 4397 13:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4397 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, display problems (umlauts, ß) with scan index in advanced search 13:04 kf hm fredericd send a patch adding pagination - but seems not to be pushed 13:15 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:16 jcamins hdl: I'm pretty sure the Zebra scan index is left-anchored, but I think there's some way to make it do a keyword index. I'll see if I can locate that. 13:18 Braedon good morn jcamins 13:26 reva Good morning all, what happens when I set a OpacBaseUrl? (We are just on a peer network (no provider for a host or anything)). And what happens with StaffBaseUrl? Basically under what kind of networking situations would I set these options? Thanks. 13:27 jcamins hdl: I cannot find the reference to non-left-anchored scans. 13:28 reva So, basically right now whenever I use my staff client, I type http://localhost:8080; and for the OPAC, I type is http://localhost. 13:30 owen reva: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/index.php?ch=c19#AEN1771 13:36 reva so I can set my OPACBaseURL to http://localhost and it will display a link to the OPAC version of a record I am in (or working on) in the staff side, correct? But I do not understand the function of StaffclientBaseURL. First where would that link show? 13:37 reva Thanks owen: Because I was reading the Wayne state manual (for the 3.0) and it was too cryptic.:) 13:37 owen reva: Where did you find the link to the Wayne state manual? 13:38 reva It was in the community site. I have downloaded the pdf from the link there. 13:38 owen I see 13:39 owen Yeah, I would say the Wayne State manual is inaccurate on this particular point 13:40 owen It makes it sound like you can set OPACBaseURL to what you *want* your opac's url to be 13:40 owen That's not true 13:43 reva owen, I could not say if it was accurate or not as I found it was not explaining much on this point. Moving to setting the StaffClientBaseURL: let us say in our case I set my StaafclientBaseURL to http://localhost:8080 (which is our staff url), where would the link be displayed? 13:44 owen Koha would use that setting whenever it needed to form an absolute URL to the staff client. This would only happen during operation of the staff client itself, not the OPAC 13:45 reva ok, this is a regression routine:) I am not sure I understand absolute URL (though I have heard the term used before.) 13:46 owen An absolute URL is a full URL. A relative URL is one which only works in reference to the current page. 13:46 owen ../catalogue/detail.pl is a relative URL. 13:46 owen http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl is a full or absolute URL 13:48 reva owen, got it: so you are giving the full path from the root when you use the absolute URL. But what is the StaffClientBaseURL function? I mean what are the situations I would set this? 13:49 owen I don't know offhand, but as far as I know it is recommended that you do. 13:53 jcamins Load testing only, it looks like. 13:53 jcamins reva: I'd set it anyway. There's no disadvantage. 13:55 reva owen, so in my case I would append the rest of the path to http://localhost:8080 (where ever my detail.pl is for the catalog module), correct? So the question now is should it be set to the catalog/details.pl? Hi jcamins. 13:55 owen reva that was just an example 13:56 jcamins reva: set it to 'localhost:8080' 13:56 jcamins Wait, 'localhost:8080/' 13:56 reva owen thanks. because sometimes I am too literal:). jcamins, what is load testing? 13:56 jcamins I have no idea, but that's what it's used for. I guess maybe checking lots of books out simultaneously, and seeing if anything breaks? 13:57 kf performance tests 13:57 owen ...or seeing if your server bursts into flames 14:00 reva ok, I will set it it to http://localhost:8080 and my OPAC to http://localhost. Owen, I hope we won't break Koha that way. But the test records (done by the trainees of course) are all wrong, so they may break it and the server. 14:01 reva Thanks jcamins, owen, and kf. 14:04 kf the opacbaseurl is used for links in sent carts and "show in opac"links in staff 14:04 kf afaik 14:04 kf perhaps the staffurl is also used for sending carts from staff 14:04 mib_syff8 I'm having some search problems. I have rebuild my index and if I run zebrasrv in console mode I can see the search query but getting no hits, 1000's of bib there....anyone? 14:04 kf links to the records in the mail 14:06 jcamins mib_syff8: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 14:06 jcamins Try the third question. 14:06 mib_syff8 can't search staff either though.... 14:06 jcamins mib_syff8: wait, I think I misunderstood your question. 14:07 jcamins When you say "console mode," do you mean you're able to do the search from the console? 14:07 jcamins That's what I thought you said. 14:07 jcamins My new guess is that when you rebuilt the index you didn't do it as the koha user. 14:08 mib_syff8 sorry no, I was thinkg of try YAZ client next.....I mean just running "zerbrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml" and seeing the output 14:08 jcamins I'd try the YAZ client. 14:09 mib_syff8 I was koha user alright, that user is the only one I have setup with the correct env to run the rebuild script.......I'll try YAZ !! 14:23 mib_syff8 YAZ giving me this---> [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default' 14:23 schuster no wizzyrea... 14:23 schuster :( 14:24 schuster I was going to ask her about the widget she has on the koha-community with the email feed... Anyone know anything about that? 14:29 owen schuster: You have to chant her name three times for her to appear 14:29 * owen wonders, "Or is it thirteen?" 14:31 kf wizzyrea 14:32 kf wizzyrea 14:32 kf wizzyra 14:32 kf wizzyrea 14:32 kf hm. or was it beetlejuice? 14:33 * sekjal turns towards the nearest mirror and chants "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees" 14:49 reva Thanks kf; for the extra info on the Base URLS. 14:50 LibraryGu Hello 14:50 Braedon Hello 14:53 wizzyrea I'm here! 14:53 wizzyrea yikes 14:53 jcamins Ha! 14:53 jcamins owen was right 14:53 wizzyrea sorry I was absorbed in a discussion of social engineering 14:54 wizzyrea >.> 14:54 jcamins I just typed your name ten times and was about to hit enter when you appeared. 14:54 jcamins Just 'cause I was curious whether it was true. 14:54 wizzyrea lol 14:54 wizzyrea schuster: which email feed? 14:55 wizzyrea < has a strange and wonderful job sometimes 14:55 Dulm Hello all 14:56 wizzyrea hey dulm 14:56 jcamins owen++ # wow! I can't wait to try that patch 14:56 wizzyrea it was actually you thinking of me that made me appear, jcamins 14:57 jcamins Oh, not writing your name 10 times? 14:57 Dulm Patch? A nice patch? 14:57 jcamins Dulm: yeah, owen's patch reformatting lists. 14:58 * Braedon saying hello made LibraryGu disappear - that's close right? 14:59 * jcamins wonders if the person he's thinking about now will sense his thoughts and make an appearance in #koha 15:00 billymays HELLO BILLY MAYS HERE LOOKING FOR JCAMINS! 15:00 billymays DID YOU SUMMON ME? 15:01 Dulm Sounds cool. How does it reformat? :) 15:01 Braedon nooo, send him back jcamins! 15:01 * billymays disappears in a puff of smoke 15:01 Braedon that was close 15:01 jcamins I guess I need to work on my summoning powers a bit more. ;) 15:02 Braedon please do. you gave me quite a scare. things could have gotten messy 15:05 Dulm I am still working on a collection call mapping add-on like that NEU library in Turkey - using Javascript graphics tools so only one or a few maps need used per building and the javascript graphics draw the rest - NEU created countless animated GIFs for each location 15:05 * jwagner is impressed that jcamins can summon the dead.... 15:05 Dulm Fun if I can get the time to finish it. :) 15:09 wizzyrea very fun dulm 15:09 wizzyrea so schuster left? 15:11 reva hi again, we will be installing Koha 3.2 on our hard drive today. I have downloaded Debian as instructed. (And of ourse the Koha 3.2 tar.gz). But do I download the MySQL, Perl, and Apache from inside debian after stating Koha install? I am trying to follow instructions on this page: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=24 15:11 schuster Sorry on other websites... 15:11 Dulm It is, anybody try to map their library with Google Sketch-Up? I'm finding by overlaying onto a blue-print image it is really pretty easy, looks nice too - then for creating maps at different angles one just needs to change the camera. There are just too many good tools these days! 15:12 reva I am not sure though it is Debian Etch that I downloaded. It is the latest stabl Debian though that I have downloaded. 15:12 jcamins Weird. Apparently signing on with mibbit inspired my internet connection to start working again. 15:12 wizzyrea That was me, I was thinking about your internet connection. 15:12 jcamins reva: the correct version of Debian is Lenny. 15:13 schuster wizzyrea - the latest posts from the email listserv on the support page. 15:13 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, thanks! 15:13 reva Yes, Lenny is what I downloaded jcamins. 15:13 wizzyrea oh, right, what did you need to know? 15:13 Braedon jcamins: perhaps billy mays was trying to get through again? 15:14 wizzyrea you mean here: http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 15:14 jcamins Braedon: I suppose it's possible. Ah-ha! I'll just go out and buy some Zombie-B-Gone, As Seen On TV! 15:14 schuster wizzyrea yes. 15:14 schuster Is that a wordpress plugin or??? 15:14 wizzyrea yep, it's a plugin. Sec and I'll find the one I"m using. 15:14 jcamins reva: if you follow the instructions in that document, I'm pretty sure it installs Apache and MySQL. 15:16 wizzyrea http://downloads.wordpress.org/plugin/rss-import.zip is the one I"m using. 15:16 wizzyrea apparently when I was working on the site, I knew german? or knew a google that did, anyway 15:16 jcamins reva: and by "pretty sure" I mean "it does." 15:18 jcamins wizzyrea: perhaps kf was thinking German-comprehension thoughts at you. :) 15:18 wizzyrea ooh, good point 15:18 reva ok, jcamins. It is just that I do not see a command in the instruction where it goes to fetch Apache or MySQL from outside sites? Or does Debian come with all these pre-installed? 15:19 jcamins reva: the instructions tell you to install all the packages that Koha requires. Koha requires Apache and MySQL. ;) 15:19 kf hm? 15:20 jcamins The script is something like apt_get_install_packages_on_lenny. But just run whichever script the documentation tells you to. 15:20 wizzyrea reva: sudo apt-get install apache2 15:21 wizzyrea sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-clien 15:21 jcamins To clarify, the script installs *everything* Koha requires, which includes Apache and MySQL. 15:21 wizzyrea sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client 15:21 wizzyrea oo, I didn't know it did that now >.> 15:21 wizzyrea neat! 15:21 jcamins At least, that was my experience when we installed from scratch on Debian. 15:21 * wizzyrea doesn't know lots of stuff. 15:22 reva so ok, what is the sites-available in this command substituted with? sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha Ok, wizzyrea. In which case which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL should I have downloaded 15:22 wizzyrea BUT if you were to need to install apache and/or mysql 15:22 wizzyrea ...the apt packages are the most up to date. Just use apt 15:22 jcamins wizzyrea: the script uses apt. 15:23 wizzyrea ^^ or do what he said, and use the script 15:24 jcamins_m reva: that's step 4. First you need to do steps 1-3. 15:24 jcamins_m well, 1.5-3, actually. 15:25 jcamins Please ignore the fact that I'm using two different nicks. My internet connection is being troublesome. 15:25 * wizzyrea thinks harder about jcamins' internet 15:26 * druthb wonders if the cloning machine would work on wizzyrea, nengard, and gmcharlt. More of those folks around would be nice. 15:26 * wizzyrea shudders at the thought of more than one wizzyrea. The world is scary enough. 15:27 * jcamins agrees with druthb, and thinks it would be a great idea 15:29 reva ok jcamins. Got that about following 1.5 - 3. But I guess I am asking now do I download and Apache, Perl, and MySQL and save them, so that I can instruct Debian to install them? If yes to this last question, which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL? Do I take the latest versions from the respective sites? 15:29 kf @later tell ivanc mail sent 15:29 munin kf: The operation succeeded. 15:29 nengard awww shucks thanks druthb 15:29 jcamins reva: no, just follow the instructions, and run the script in step 1.5 15:29 jcamins The only thing you should download manually is Koha. 15:29 jcamins Then you will run the script in 1.5. 15:30 jcamins Then you run the command in 1.6. 15:31 jcamins And then you should have everything installed. 15:33 * druthb cobbles a cloning device up, but needs software for it. 15:35 rhcl print me off a few tech assistants please... 15:35 reva ok, jcamins. Thanks.So when I come here : $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages, it will give me choices for installing or not installing several dependencies. (i.e. Apache, Perl, MySQL all come built in). 15:35 reva Ok, relief and sigh:) Thanks 15:37 * druthb wants to see if rhcl will be the crash-test dummy for this new gadget. An extra one or two of him wouldn't be bad, either. 15:40 jcamins reva: what documentation are you looking at? 15:41 jcamins The document you linked to earlier doesn't use dpkg. 15:47 reva jcamins: i have the link only for that one (I am talking about the git.koh-community one). Would you give me the link for the correct documentation? 15:48 jcamins The link you gave is correct. 15:48 jcamins However, the step you mentioned doesn't seem to be in that document. 15:48 jcamins http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian 15:49 jcamins Which is very confusing. 15:49 jcamins Step 1.5 is: sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh 15:50 jcamins reva: take me through the steps you went through to download Koha 3.2. 15:51 jcamins In your own words. 15:51 wizzyrea please. 15:51 jcamins Sorry, I thought "please" would be implied. Please. 15:52 wizzyrea I'm helping! 15:52 wizzyrea ^.^ 15:52 jcamins :) 15:52 wizzyrea (that's what my 2 yr old says when he's helping... but not really helping) 15:53 reva ok, jacamins: No, I downloaded the koha-3.02.00-beta.tar.gz separately by going to koha-community download page and saved it. 15:53 jcamins Hm. 15:54 Dulm You'll get it 15:54 jcamins That seems right. I wonder why the document you're looking at is different. 15:55 reva and I have burned ther Debian Lenny as an ISO CD. so I am carrying my Koha download on a flash (as it is only 39 mega). 15:57 jcamins Ah-ha! 15:57 jcamins Mystery solved. 15:57 Dulm See! 15:57 jcamins The documentation you need on the Koha beta is called INSTALL.debian-lenny :) 15:58 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for pointing out what was going on 15:59 reva Now I am looking at the page you just gave me (http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian). I can extract the tar.gz file using WinRar in my XP and take the folder full of Koha stuff with me and just copy it to a folder inside the partition for debian. 16:00 jcamins Right, so you can follow the online version and it'll work properly. 16:00 reva jcamins: where do I find the Install Debian-Lenny page? 16:00 jcamins Better to just use the one I linked to. 16:01 jcamins The two documents are the same, except the one I linked to is newer and has some slightly clearer instructions. 16:01 reva Ok, that is good. I see it was updated 2010 by chris. 16:02 jcamins Yup. 16:05 * druthb waves to brendan_l 16:05 reva Thanks jcamins: will get back later. Is ther a way to transfer my this chat session to another machine in the mibbit? 16:06 kf ok, time to leave - have a nice weekend all! 16:06 jcamins No, but you can just log in from another computer. 16:06 jcamins The log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-10-01 16:06 wizzyrea bye kf... bother. 16:07 reva Ok, got it. Thanks again. 16:49 brendan_l heya druthb :) 16:49 cait hi again #koha 16:49 brendan_l hey cait 16:55 druthb welcome back, cait. :) 17:00 ivanc hi cait 17:00 cait hi ivanc 17:15 ivanc \server 17:16 druthb @roulette 17:16 * munin reloads and spins the chambers. 17:17 * druthb does a happy dance 17:17 jcamins Heh. 17:17 cait @roulette 17:17 munin cait: *click* 17:17 jcamins @roulette 17:17 cait puh 17:17 munin jcamins: *click* 17:17 jcamins @roulette 17:17 munin jcamins: *click* 17:17 jcamins @roulette 17:17 munin jcamins: *click* 17:17 jcamins @roulette 17:17 munin jcamins: *click* 17:17 cait hm jcamins? 17:17 * cait takes the gun from jcamins 17:18 jcamins Aww. 17:19 jcamins munin: I'm not giving you a cookie. 17:19 munin jcamins: Error: "I'm" is not a valid command. 17:19 rhcl cait, are you going to the opensuse conference in Nürnberg? 17:19 cait rhcl: ah no 17:19 cait I am not really a linux user (yet) 17:20 * jcamins stares in shock - the umlaut showed up under Windows! 17:20 Dulm "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike." 17:20 cait jcamins: I am using umlauts in Windows all teh time - they are not that bad 17:20 rhcl windows? 17:20 rhcl Microsoft Windows? 17:20 cait yes 17:20 rhcl I need a drink. brb 17:20 jcamins cait: generally umlauts are fine. However, I'm running irssi on a Debian server and SSHed in using Cygwin. 17:20 cait *sighs* 17:21 * cait outs herself as a windows user 17:21 Dulm West of House: You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here. 17:21 jcamins rhcl: don't do it! You're going to turn into my predecessors! 17:22 rhcl it's only gonna be wine, a tall glass perhaps, but just wine 17:22 Dulm "open mailbox" 17:22 rhcl as long as it's not Tennessee distilled corn we're ok 17:22 jcamins rhcl: okay, that's not nearly strong enough to turn you into one of my predecessors. 17:24 Dulm << From Zork I Anyone? :) >> 17:27 cait rhcl: are you going to nürnberg? 17:27 owen Here you go Dulm: http://zorkonline.net/zengine-0.4.3/ 17:31 cait zork? 17:32 jcamins cait: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/Articles/NZT/zorkhist.html 17:32 Dulm Yes! 17:33 Dulm Perhaps we can build Zork I into Koha - To get any work done people must solve text based adventure puzzles ;) 17:35 owen It would be a great Easter egg 17:35 Dulm Yeaaaah... 17:36 jcamins Try to check out a certain number of non-circulating books, return a certain number of circulating books, create and delete a new item record, and you're in the midst of Zork? 17:41 rhcl cait: no, but if I lived in Germany I would 17:41 wizzyrea can someone tell me if indexing has anything to do with the holds queue report? 17:41 wizzyrea and if it does, what exactly? 17:43 wizzyrea owen++ : for proposing recent comments 17:45 cait rhcl: is being at kohaconf a good excuse? :) 17:45 Dulm In could be done 17:45 Dulm Or Koha-Vaders 17:46 Dulm A Koha logo could be the ship, and the invaders would be....hmmmm...what would a Koha fire at? 17:46 wizzyrea it wouldn't 17:49 owen wizzyrea: Why the question about indexing and the holds queue? 17:49 rhcl cait: hummm, I guess that might have priority 17:49 owen the only connection I see is that the holds queue is a process that runs on a schedule just like indexing does 17:49 rhcl kohacon I mean 17:49 owen But they're not connected 17:49 cait :) 17:50 jcamins Dulm: the Koha logo could fire enlightement at previously unenlightened library systems. :) 17:55 Dulm Ah the anti-Koha 18:10 chris morning 18:10 jwagner chris_n or chris_n1 (whoever you are today), online? 18:11 chris_n heh... "we're" here... :-) 18:11 Dulm L8er 18:11 * chris_n glares at chris_n1 18:11 chris_n get to work over there 18:11 jwagner I'm being told about 3rd or 4th hand that entering slashes in the call number will make the spine label printing break at those points. Is that true for any value of Koha, especially for your label creator? 18:12 chris_n not that I know of 18:13 chris_n I did have some code very early on that did that 18:13 jwagner Didn't think so -- I'd never heard of it, anyway. 18:13 chris_n but it has since been removed and replaced with splitting regexps 18:14 chris_n which always need tuning, so feel free to update bug 2500 with any numbers that will not split correctly 18:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm 18:14 jwagner OK, I'll whisper that back down the rumor chain. Thanks. 18:15 jwagner Unrelated (mostly) question -- I got asked today how Koha would handle NLM or SUDOC call number sorts. Anyone have any idea? 18:15 nengard NLM is very close to LOC so I have set it up and haven't had any complaints from those using it 18:15 cait morning chris 18:19 chris heya cait, hows the packing? :) 18:19 cait don't ask 18:19 cait but I realized today, that I have only 3 work days left 18:19 cait before nz, and only four before my next presentation 18:21 chris wow, not long 18:21 cait no. not reall 18:21 cait y 18:31 jcamins Wow. Our authorities sure are a mess. 18:31 * jcamins sobs quietly to himself. 18:31 * jwagner offers jcamins a blankie 18:31 jcamins Cookie? 18:32 jcamins Oh, blankie. 18:32 jcamins Thanks! 18:32 jwagner cookie and warm milk are the next stage, when sobbing goes from quiet to loud :-) 18:32 jcamins Ah. 18:32 jcamins I think maybe I'll make fudge tonight. 18:36 jcamins There should be a way to merge authority records in the staff client. 18:37 nengard jcamins - i just wrote that in notes from my training 18:37 reva how do you type in the umlaut. I mean the key map sequence. 18:37 nengard i'm about to put a enhancement request in for that - the merge authorities 18:38 jcamins nengard: it would be really helpful, especially for hosted installations! 18:38 jcamins nengard++ # for posting enhancement requests so I don't have to 18:38 owen Don't forget to sprinkle the bug with pixie dust nengard 18:38 nengard what's the pixie dust for? 18:39 owen Usually it takes some magic to get enhancements done 18:39 nengard hehe - got it 18:41 reva ok another bug I noticed: in the 007 field builder, say I have picked some choices from the dropdown list (such as optical disc, multicolor, etc.), but I hit ok; and then I want to do some changes and I open the builder again, the choice for Specific Material Designation reverts back to Tape cartridge. 18:42 reva If you do not notice the reversion, you will be saving it as a Tape Cartridge. 18:43 jcamins reva: you got Koha all working already? Wow, that was fast! 18:44 jcamins reva: which 007 type? 18:45 reva No, no, I am still internalizing the instruction. For example, where it says <password>, do I put in the password of my choice in double-quotes in the script? Taking a big break, that is all:). 18:46 jcamins I see, electronic resources. 18:46 jcamins Yeah, I can confirm that bug. 18:46 jcamins You should report it. 18:47 reva I was doing a bib record for a CD-ROM. So I picked electronic (instead of the default Text) and then it gives me further dropdowns. So I picked Optical media (cannot remember the exact label) and picked 4 and 3/4 as the size. 18:47 jcamins reva: report a bug at http://bugs.koha-community.org/ 18:48 reva ok, thanks. I will report it. But the other day, I reported one, I do not see it in the new bug list. So I am not sure I understand the second scree that comes up after I report the bug. 18:49 reva What I will, but shouldn't I see it in the new bugs reported? 18:50 jcamins If you save the bug you should be able to find it again when you search for it. 18:52 reva jcamins: the other bug I reported was the one about no title in the headers (under normal view either in OPAC or in Staff side) when you look at a record. Maybe it is considered an enhancement? 18:53 jcamins Both should show up. 18:53 jcamins As long as you save the bug, I'm sure it's getting in there. 18:53 jcamins Bugzilla is very straightforward to use. 18:54 reva and the 245c becoming useless because it is not seen except in the ISBD view on either side. Ok, I will try the 007 in the bug report and check to see if I actually "reported" it. 19:11 chris sekjal: ... book your hotel! 19:11 chris :) 19:11 sekjal thanks, chris 19:13 cait :) 19:13 chris i cant recall who it is, but someone is staying at the trinity hotel, (which is right next to my work) 19:13 chris ahh yes i recall now, its the librarians from Hauraki 19:13 chris they got a good deal, so might be worth checking it out 19:14 reva jcamins: you tested the 007 bug I just talked about in 3.2, correct? This is so I can pick that as the version when I am reporting. 19:15 jcamins Choose 3.4. 19:15 reva ok, I will; thanks. 19:15 jcamins That's the version the change will be going into. 19:16 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 19:16 cait wow 19:16 jcamins Are they kidding me?!?!?!? 19:17 jcamins This record has no information at all. 19:17 jcamins How am I supposed to find this book? 19:18 jcamins http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=175690 <-- possibly a new low for our catalog 19:18 jcamins Ooh, but it does have an LCCN. 19:19 cait and an author 19:19 jcamins Yeah, but that author brings up... 19:19 jwagner What more do you want? 19:19 jcamins 217 results. 19:20 jcamins reva: your bug report went through properly. :) 19:22 reva Thanks, jcamins. But I still do not see my first one I did a few days ago. I did a search using terms I had used in the report. Woud it be ok to file that again? 19:22 jcamins Bug 5259 19:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5259 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 245 $c not displaying except in Card?ISBD View (OPAC) and ISBD View (Stafff side) 19:22 jcamins That one? 19:24 reva yeah:) jcamins, you are brilliant. I the author could not find it:( 19:30 reva Bye jcamins for the weekend. I will get back to installation on Monday and report on how it is going and ask questions.:) 19:30 briceSanc hello 19:32 jcamins Is there some way to delete all unused authorities? 19:33 briceSanc do you have the same problem in "Home � Circulation � Checkouts � briceSanc" . I'm unable to check "Renew" then "Check in" in the same time (i think its normal) but i'm able to check "Check in" then "Renew" 19:36 briceSanc i'm speaking about the checkboxs in the 'Checkout(s)' html table 19:38 sekjal hotel (rather, hostel) booked 19:41 owen briceSanc: I confirm you observation 19:41 owen briceSanc: Can you please file a bug report for it? 19:43 briceSanc ok 19:43 chris sekjal: nomad? or base? 19:44 sekjal chris: nomad 19:44 chris sweet 19:44 briceSanc owen, Is it normal to have difficulties to reveal the renewal form inside the Renew checkbox ? 19:44 chris you can wake up at 7.59am and be at the conf by 8am :) 19:44 chris its pretty much as close as you can get 19:45 chris and the cafe on the corner does good coffee 19:45 owen briceSanc: Bug 5051 perhaps? 19:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab 19:45 sekjal I'm wondering how the whole waking/sleeping thing is going to work... I'll try to sync up on the plane, but this is the furthest I've flown 19:45 jcamins Does link_bibs_to_authorities.pl unlink authorities that it thinks do not match? 19:46 chris sekjal: yeah it does mess with you a bit 19:47 jcamins Okay, this is weird. 19:47 jcamins And you know what? 19:47 jcamins I'm going to pretend I didn't notice. 19:47 chris but the trick i find is not to give in to the desire for an earlynight, or a nap, even if you body is trying to make you, cos then you wake up at 3am :) 19:48 chris ok who the hell weedeats at 8.55am on a saturday morning 19:48 chris jeeze 19:58 * chris yells out the window "you kids get off my lawn" 20:01 briceSanc owen, Ok, I think the "Renewal due date" should appear when we click on "renew" !? 20:02 owen briceSanc: I guess I don't understand your question 20:06 briceSanc I rephrase : i think, in normal time, the renewal form appear when we check the renew checkout ? 20:07 briceSanc not checkout = checkbox 20:07 owen What renew checkbox? On the circulation page? 20:07 briceSanc yes 20:07 owen No, no renewal form appears 20:08 owen Under normal conditions there are 1) the renwal checkboxes, and 2) the renewal due date form field 20:08 owen Bug Bug 5051 prevents the renewal due date field from appearing unless there are checkouts from today. 20:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab 20:09 briceSanc ok 20:09 briceSanc i will work on those bugs 20:09 briceSanc have a good weekend 20:09 owen briceSanc: Bug 5051 has a pending patch for it already 20:09 briceSanc oh ok 20:24 reva jcamins, you can delete unused authorities by going into authorities module. The ones with 0 (zero) biblios have a delete option on the last column. (search with a blank string to bring up all the authorities so you can clean up). I am stillherre. 20:25 wizzyrea so am I to understand that in 3.2 batch mod, to clear a user enterable field you need to insert a space in it? Is that right? 20:25 jcamins reva: yes, but that's one at a time. 20:26 jcamins I need to delete thousands. 20:26 jcamins There's a script for deleting unused authorities. 20:27 wizzyrea ok, I'm going to take that as truth, because that's what I have experienced. It's not terribly intuitive though. 20:27 jcamins wizzyrea: no, not intuitive at all. 20:28 wizzyrea I think my next project will be to add a checkbox for "clear" to those. 20:28 wizzyrea better ideas? 20:29 wizzyrea oh right the east coast is dropping off 20:29 wizzyrea :) 20:29 wizzyrea it's the weekend! 20:30 jcamins Yes it is. 20:30 jcamins In five minutes! 20:30 jcamins And boy oh boy do I want those five minutes to pass. 20:30 wizzyrea the youtube vortex: look up hot air balloons 20:30 wizzyrea click any one 20:31 wizzyrea turn on groove salad on itunes radio 20:31 wizzyrea space. 20:31 jcamins Heh. 20:31 wizzyrea (oh,mute the video) 20:33 SJeffery wizzy, at least the east coast isn't like those aussies and kiwis who think it is Saturday already 20:35 jcamins Ah, what a glorious sound. 20:35 jcamins Have a good weekend, #koha 20:36 wizzyrea true 21:31 wizzyrea sekjal's quits always make me giggle. 21:54 wizzy_fre later peps