Time  Nick      Message
00:04 jcamins   Anyone know where the patch for bug 5101 got to?
00:04 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5101 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected
00:14 chris_n   http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev/commit/d10b4d31a0d8a03a4410b624c6b292f1657de488
00:14 chris_n   or
00:14 chris_n   http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org/msg00464.html
00:14 chris_n   per google
00:15 jcamins   Oh, sorry, that wasn't a literal "where is the patch" question.
00:15 jcamins   It was more of a "where in the process is the patch" question.
00:21 chris_n   its marked for HEAD, so it will probably appear in the 3.4 branch when it appears
00:21 jcamins   Okay.
00:21 jcamins   Thanks.
00:22 chris_n   np
00:22 jcamins   How do I make sure that a file deletion shows up in my patch?
00:22 jcamins   I think you have to do something special?
00:22 chris_n   git rm <file-to-remove>
00:23 jcamins   Thanks.
00:24 chris_n   good luck wasabi
00:25 jcamins   Heh.
00:25 wasabi    no, good luck to the current site-admins of www.koha.org...
00:25 jcamins   It could happen.
00:25 * chris_n holds his breath
00:26 wasabi    ... its currently *their* stupid problem, not mine
00:26 chris_n   fortunately it is impossible to hold one's breath to the point of death :-)
00:28 wasabi    a problem with a rather obvious solution too
00:30 jcamins   Hm.
00:30 jcamins   I guess there's no way to e-mail a patch to the bugzilla to attach to a bug?
00:31 chris_n   I'm not sure... chris would probably know
00:31 jcamins   In the meantime I guess I'd better download my patch so I can upload it...
00:34 jcamins   Oh, you can attach by URL.
00:34 wasabi    aah, thats way cool
00:35 jcamins   git send-email isn't a git command?
00:35 jcamins   What?
00:36 * jcamins bangs his head on the table
00:37 jcamins   Why doesn't git send-email work on Debian?
00:38 wasabi    its a separate package
00:38 jcamins   Ah.
00:38 jcamins   Any idea what the package is?
00:38 wasabi    mason@xen1:~/koha$ dpkg -l|grep git-email
00:38 wasabi    ii  git-email                          1:1.7.1-1.1~bpo50+1        fast, scalable, distributed revision control
00:39 jcamins   It says it's broken. :(
00:39 wasabi    http://packages.debian.org/lenny/git-email
00:40 wasabi    ive got the backports version...
00:40 wasabi    http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/git-email
00:41 jcamins   I think I am very unimpressed with Debian's packaging system.
00:41 jcamins   However, I think that did it.
00:41 jcamins   Thanks.
00:42 wasabi    well, its about 10,00 times faster than my lappy's darwin-ports
00:42 jcamins   Woohoo! git send-email works!
00:43 wasabi    alias git-email='git send-email --to koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org'
00:44 jcamins   chris: I sent you a patch for bug 5261 to sign off on.
00:44 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5261 enhancement, P5, ---, koha, ASSIGNED, Can't get to Cataloging sysprefs from Local Use
00:44 jcamins   wasabi: Ooh, good idea.
00:47 jcamins   Where are all the patches that need sign-offs?
01:00 chris     http://www.google.com/search?q=site:stats.workbuffer.org+inurl:koha  <-- trick
01:05 jcamins   Okay, that's just weird.
01:20 jcamins   Is there any way to download a patch from the mailing list archives?
01:28 chris     yup
01:31 chris     hmm at least i thought there was
01:34 chris     hmm looks like only the whole mailbxo
01:34 chris     http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/
01:39 chris     nice work on the signoff ;)
01:41 jcamins   :) Thanks.
01:41 jcamins   Oh, speaking of which.
01:42 jcamins   wasabi: when you change your OpacNotPublic patch to an OpacPrivate patch, let me know and I'll sign off on it.
01:49 jcamins   @later tell owen Do you want me to sign-off on your patch for bug 3013?
01:49 munin     jcamins: The operation succeeded.
01:51 jcamins   Okay, bed time.
01:51 jcamins   Good night, #koha
03:02 brendan   heya amit
03:02 Amit      heya brendan
03:05 brendan   chris_n around?
03:56 wasabi    oops, TCL fail...
04:01 robin     wasabi: so, situation normal then...
04:02 wasabi    a minor blip, im not complaining :)
04:12 robin     wonder if that was a big quake somewhere else, or a small one here.
04:16 robin     ah, big one somewhere else. Only looks like a 6 though
06:12 brendan   night
07:17 chris     hi magnus
07:17 magnus    g'day chris
09:39 ivanc     hallo #koha
09:45 magnus    hi ivanc
09:45 ivanc     hi magnus
10:25 wasabi    http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/09/28/2030226/Father-of-Java-James-Gosling-Unloads
10:37 wasabi    ...very interesting stuff
11:44 Braedon   apparently google can
11:44 Braedon   can't find you in a valley in new zealand... :P
11:55 druthb    mornin'.
11:58 magnus    hiya druthb
11:58 druthb    :)
12:04 kmkale    hi all
12:05 druthb    hi, kmkale. :)
12:05 kmkale    hi druthb
12:07 magnus    hi kmkale
12:07 kmkale    hi magnus
13:05 schuster  Look out Ruth's in the house!
13:06 jcamins   Morning, #koha
13:10 * druthb  hides from schuster.
13:10 jwagner   No, no -- it's your turn!  I had to hide from him yesterday :-)
13:11 * jwagner hides from everyone....
13:11 * druthb  wants to hide a lot, lately.
13:11 owen      #koha is a good place to hide
13:12 druthb    That depends on what you're hiding *from*, owen.  It's about as good a place to hide as the middle of a football field, for me.
13:13 owen      This place is so quiet lately though
13:15 lgw_wrt   looks like last night's fixes are working
13:15 lgw_wrt   but i could still use some MARC help if anyone is willing to provide it...
13:17 jcamins   lgw_wrt: I can't promise anyone will be able to help, but if you ask your question, someone might be able to at least suggest where to look for the answer.
13:18 lgw_wrt   i figured...so here goes
13:19 lgw_wrt   I've never created MARC records before, and they appear to be very overwhelming.
13:19 lgw_wrt   I'd like to create something for my organization that represents our CD/DVD/BD archives
13:19 lgw_wrt   Some discs have one project, some have many.  FIle listings would be great in the description.
13:19 lgw_wrt   I just don't know where to start that is not as confusing as the templates i've seen online
13:22 jcamins   Ah. Unfortunately I mostly avoid cataloging non-book formats.
13:24 jcamins   Well, that's fortunate for me, but not so fortunate for you. ;)
13:24 lgw_wrt   :)
13:25 lgw_wrt   would Koha not be the right solution for what I want?
13:25 owen      lgw_wrt: We have CD-ROMs in our collection, but a quick look doesn't turn up any examples which include a file listing.
13:25 owen      http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&limit=mc-ccode%3ACDR
13:25 owen      I'm not a cataloger, so I can't tell you any more than that.
13:26 jcamins   lgw_wrt: no, it probably would be, I just don't have any advice more helpful than "the MARC format documentation describes the 007 field (and all the others)."
13:28 owen      lgw_wrt: Any sane person would be asking "is MARC the right solution for what I want?"
13:28 jcamins   lgw_wrt: actually, I guess it depends. If all you want is a finding aid, you might be better off using Archivist's Toolkit.
13:28 owen      But library people are not sane.
13:28 jcamins   owen: you noticed? :)
13:29 lgw_wrt   i'll take a look at both and see what looks right
13:29 collum    lgw_wrt: We are not on Koha, but it looks like our catalogers put the contents in the 505 field.  http://bit.ly/bqzlc3
13:29 jcamins   lgw_wrt: http://www.archiviststoolkit.org/
13:30 jcamins   Do you have materials other than the disk archive?
13:30 lgw_wrt   not right now
13:30 jcamins   Do you lend the disks out?
13:31 lgw_wrt   we do
13:31 lgw_wrt   that's why we're looking at this type of system.  we keep losing track on our hand-written sheets
13:31 jcamins   Okay. I'm not sure how AT does with lending.
13:31 schuster  Are the disks proprietary stuff or comercially produced stuff?
13:31 lgw_wrt   proprietary
13:31 * collum  is looking for CDRoms with file contents
13:32 lgw_wrt   be back in a bit...
13:32 schuster  Do the files have to be on disks or could you store them on servers?
13:32 lgw_wrt   on discs...we archive to regain space.
13:32 lgw_wrt   i have to go handle another issue.  i'll be back in a while.  i'lll keep this open and check for comments when i get back
13:34 schuster  lgw_wrt - yes the 505 - content note would be your best bet at first look on where to put file names.  The problem becomes if they cover different concerns.
13:34 schuster  Then you almost need to analytically catalog each file and indicate which disk it would be on and relate all of the titles.
13:35 schuster  A lot of it depends on the down the road what is your goal, and how much time you have to do the cataloging as it all looks like original cataloging.
13:36 schuster  You could probably pay a good cataloger to create a template so then you only have to put in a "FEW" of the tags rather than starting from scratch every time.
13:52 lgw_wrt   each disc is for a specific archive, although some hold multiples.    cataloging each disc is relatively simple
14:10 lgw_wrt   i'm thinking this may be beyond what i can do with my allotted resources.  i have no funding for this project, and no staff assistance (our IT dept is 2 people for 150 )
14:14 jcamins   lgw_wrt: yeah, Koha might not be the right thing for you.
14:24 ebegin    Anybody has problem with the Year limit?
14:25 ebegin    As soon as I use a date limit, nothing is found...  I would like to find in the pubdate (260$c) field.
14:40 Braedon   ebegin: using zebra?
14:41 * druthb  waves to kmkale and wizzyrea_
14:41 kmkale    hi wizzyrea_
14:42 wizzyrea_ hi kmkale!
14:42 wizzyrea_ hi druthb!
14:47 Braedon   ebegin: i have to run (and by run i mean sleep), but if you are using nozebra indexing, that could well be your problem. If you are using zebra, no clue sorry.
14:48 jcamins   ebegin: the problem may be that you don't have dates in the 008 field.
14:48 lgw_wrt   just imported a record created using "Archivist's Toolkit".  It imported successfully, but I can't seem to search for it.  Any advice?
14:48 Braedon   is a zebra indexing job running?
14:49 lgw_wrt   how do i check?
14:49 jcamins   lgw_wrt: I've never used AT, I just know that it is good for archival collections.
14:50 lgw_wrt   i created the MARC record using AT so I could have a "template" to work with
14:50 Braedon   (the answer to all search related issues is blame zebra or nozerbra :P)
14:50 lgw_wrt   the import into koha was successful, but i can't search for my record
14:50 jcamins   Braedon: good night.
14:50 jcamins   lgw_wrt: try reindexing?
14:50 lgw_wrt   how?
14:50 jcamins   rebuild_zebra.pl
14:51 Braedon   but alas i really should get to bed, being 4am and all. sorry lgw_wrt, look on the wiki for zebra script stuffs
14:51 Braedon   night jcamins
14:52 jcamins   lgw_wrt: do you have any records in Koha?
14:52 jcamins   Other than the one you just added, I mean.
14:52 lgw_wrt   no.  that's where i've been struggling
14:52 jcamins   Okay.
14:53 lgw_wrt   error on rebuild_zebra...missing a perl module.  installing that right now
14:53 jcamins   http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
14:55 wizzyrea_ is there something odd about the withdrawn authorized value?
14:55 wizzyrea_ something different from the other authorized values?
14:56 jcamins   Well, we don't have any category for it, but I am imagining that's a misconfiguration on our part.
14:57 wizzyrea_ hmmm
14:58 lgw_wrt   the debian install never created a kohauser, so scripts can't run under that user
14:58 jcamins   lgw_wrt: how did you install Koha?
14:59 lgw_wrt   sqeeuze/koha apt source
14:59 jcamins   Hm.
14:59 jcamins   When I did that it created a Koha user.
15:00 jcamins   I think it was koha-[something].
15:00 lgw_wrt   scripts also can't find c4 perl modules.
15:00 lgw_wrt   i'm thinking this is more of a headache than i need right now
15:00 lgw_wrt   i love the power of koha, but it's just too frustrating right now to get up and running for my environment
15:01 jcamins   lgw_wrt: the FAQ gives you the command to put the C4 modules in your environment.
15:02 jcamins   PERL5LIB=/wherever/koha/is
15:02 jcamins   export PERL5LIB
15:02 jcamins   Oh, you also need:
15:02 jcamins   KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
15:02 jcamins   export KOHA_CONF
15:03 jcamins   However, since you have no resources for this project, I (personally) would probably tend to agree that administering Koha might be a bit much.
15:04 lgw_wrt   maybe again in the future.
15:04 lgw_wrt   thanks to all for the assistance
15:06 jcamins   You're welcome.
15:06 jcamins   Good luck.
15:06 kmkale    bye all
15:19 ebegin    jcamins, sorry, I had to step away.  Concerning the search on the year, you are correct, i don't have data in the 008 field, the data I want to search is in the 260$c, which is the copydate index
15:21 jcamins   ebegin: yeah, you can't limit on that.
15:21 jcamins   However, it is possible to search on copydate.
15:22 jcamins   If I can remember how...
15:22 ebegin    Oh, that is why the seach on it works but not the limit
15:22 ebegin    s/seach/search
15:23 ebegin    Where are set the fields for the limit?
15:23 jcamins   008.
15:24 jcamins   I don't know how to change that.
15:42 ebegin    ok, thanks for the hint jcamins, i'll look into it
15:48 nengard   question about the items table - what is stored in the reserves field? the current number of holds or all the holds ever placed on the item?
15:48 wizzyrea_ the 2nd
15:48 nengard   ick
15:48 wizzyrea_ er
15:48 wizzyrea_ no, sorry I misunderstood
15:48 wizzyrea_ the current holds
15:48 nengard   :) woo hoo
15:48 nengard   thanks
15:48 wizzyrea_ the old holds go to the deleted reserves
15:48 wizzyrea_ or old reserves
15:48 wizzyrea_ can't remember
15:48 wizzyrea_ but they move on outta there
15:49 wizzyrea_ had a situation just yesterday where I had to look up an accidentally deleted hold and sho nuff it was in the old reserves
15:52 nengard   k - so when it moves to old it subtracts one from 'reserves'
16:01 nengard   need help
16:01 wizzyrea_ yep
16:01 nengard   writing a report to show items that are overdue that have holds on them ... i want it to show who has the book out so i cna call them and say give us the book cause it has holds on it
16:01 nengard   this is what i have - it's wrong
16:02 nengard   and my brain is tired
16:02 nengard   SELECT borrowers.cardnumber, borrowers.surname, borrowers.firstname, borrowers.phone, borrowers.address, borrowers.city, borrowers.zipcode, issues.date_due, (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) AS 'days overdue', items.itype, biblio.title, biblio.author, items.itemcallnumber, items.barcode, COUNT(reserves.biblionumber) AS 'holds' FROM borrowers LEFT JOIN issues ON (borrowers.borrowernumber=issues.borrowernumber) LEFT JO
16:02 nengard   IN items ON (issues.itemnumber=items.itemnumber) LEFT JOIN biblio ON (items.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber) LEFT JOIN reserves ON (biblio.biblionumber=reserves.biblionumber)
16:02 nengard   GROUP BY reserves.biblionumber WHERE issues.branchcode = 'VSN5' AND holds >= 1 ORDER BY borrowers.surname ASC, issues.date_due ASC
16:02 wizzyrea_ zounds
16:04 nengard   first it was in the wrong order a bit
16:04 nengard   so here it is again:
16:04 nengard   SELECT borrowers.cardnumber, borrowers.surname, borrowers.firstname, borrowers.phone, borrowers.address, borrowers.city, borrowers.zipcode, issues.date_due, (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) AS 'days overdue', items.itype, biblio.title, biblio.author, items.itemcallnumber, items.barcode, COUNT(reserves.biblionumber) AS 'holds' FROM borrowers LEFT JOIN issues ON (borrowers.borrowernumber=issues.borrowernumber) LEFT JO
16:04 nengard   IN items ON (issues.itemnumber=items.itemnumber) LEFT JOIN biblio ON (items.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber) LEFT JOIN reserves ON (biblio.biblionumber=reserves.biblionumber) WHERE issues.branchcode = 'VSN5' AND holds >= 1 GROUP BY reserves.biblionumber ORDER BY borrowers.surname ASC, issues.date_due ASC
16:04 nengard   i tried querying items.reserves - but that didn't work
16:13 reva      hi all again, there is a .pl script called bulkauthorityimport in the same folder as the bulkmarcimport; has anyone here tried it? Also, do I pick "run" option in the options that come up when I "open"? (I mean does it run a GUI version of it as opposed to "run in terminal" option?
16:15 nengard   sekjal helped me - report going to the wiki as soon as i eat
16:17 reva      Just FYI: the link to the 3.2 manual on this page seems broken or something: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/authorities/
16:18 reva      The link appears here: For more information, navigate to the 3.2 Manual and scroll down to section 1.4.1.3 and see the entry on ‘Thesaurus.’
16:28 owen      Hi rhcl, did you get my reply to your patron search message?
16:36 reva      hi anyone, as you know I run a Live CD version of Koha 3.0.6. It has gotten quite a few records, all done by trainee staff for practice. It would be too much work to correct them all. So I would like to reinstall the Koha part alone without starting from scratch (i.e., leave the ubuntu server untouched in ubuntu/koha appliance). Is there a way to do it?
16:36 rhcl      owen: was away from desk for a sec, lemme look
16:37 reva      Oh, I forgot to mention, my Live CD is right now in the VirtualBox.
16:38 jcamins   reva: you need to run the scripts from the command line.
16:39 jcamins   And why don't you just delete all the records, if that's what you want to do?
16:39 reva      ok, I am game. But are you answering the question running the perl scripts?
16:40 jcamins   I have never used bulkauthorityimport, but I do know that you can't run the scripts by double-clicking.
16:40 jcamins   They won't work without the appropriate arguments.
16:41 reva      I suppose I can delete the records, but deleting does not get rid of the log entries for them. So looking at the log is messy.
16:43 jcamins   Hm.
16:43 jcamins   I would suggest that is probably a better option than trying to reinstall Koha.
16:44 jcamins   Wait, why can't you just reinstall the entire system?
16:44 jcamins   It's a LiveCD, so it's preconfigured.
16:44 reva      jcamins, this is in regards to running perl scripts: when I right clicked on one of them, it gave me two options: one to "Open" and another to "Open with other application"; when I clicked to "Open" it came up with further option to "display", "run" or "run in terminal". That was why I asked as to what exactly "run" does as opposed to "run in termina".
16:45 jcamins   reva: you shouldn't be right-clicking them at all. You need to open up a terminal and run them from the terminal.
16:45 jcamins   So you open the terminal, change to the directory they are in, and run them from there.
16:45 jcamins   reva: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/command_line_intro
16:46 reva      jcamins, I can; but I did not have to go through running all those commands for clipboard/desktop integration. (Braedon walked me through that; I have the instructions saved; but it is a pain.)
16:47 reva      jcamins, I will look at the link you have given here.
16:48 jcamins   I would suggest just deleting the records and dealing with the data in the log.
16:48 jcamins   Just always make sure you look at the log starting September 29.
16:50 reva      jcamins, Yeah, I suppose I can mark the cut off date and the bib and item record numbers where we start "serious" input.:)
16:53 reva      Anyway, we will be installing the 3.2 directly on the hard drive with Debian. I am leaving the Live CD in the VirtualBox (just in case situation to serve as a template and for future training in case of staff change).
16:54 jcamins   reva: in that case why does it matter at all?
16:54 nengard   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Overdues_With_Holds_Waiting
16:54 reva      I know; it should not jcamins; but I am a tidiness freak.
16:57 jcamins   My rule of thumb is that anything that doesn't significantly impact my patrons or my productivity doesn't matter. It means I'm only surprisingly gray and not entirely gray. ;)
16:57 reva      what do you mean? as in mature?
16:58 reva      I meant about the word "grey" in your comment. But I saw your avatar picture in one of the FAQ comments. You do not have grey hair:)
16:59 reva      I will try to be mature too about being obsessive with behind the scenes things, jcamins:0
16:59 jcamins   reva: no, everyone in my family goes gray young, and I blame it on dealing with MARC. ;)
17:00 jcamins   That's a very old picture.
17:01 reva      So vain to put in a very old picture:). And I can very well see a direct cause and effect association with MARC tags and going grey early.
17:04 jcamins   Actually, I just didn't have any other good pictures of myself in digital format. ;)
17:07 reva      ok, ok, take that comment back about vanity. I am reading the contents on the page you just pointed me to; it starts me off at an elementary level: I have to say, my minor was Computer Science and that was when there were only Unix terminals:P and gnu debuggers, emacs and vi editor>
17:08 jcamins   Oh, then just pull up a terminal, and go to. :)
17:12 reva      Ok, I will get back with more questions, I am sure. Thanks jcamins.
17:36 rhcl      munin - bug 5266
17:36 munin     rhcl: Error: "-" is not a valid command.
17:36 rhcl      deal with it dude
17:36 rhcl      bug 5266
17:36 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron Search Produces Incorrectly Sorted and Missing Results
18:02 owen      nengard around?
18:02 nengard   1/2
18:03 owen      nengard I don't understand Bug 5267
18:03 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5267 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, koha logo shouldn't be on authorities page
18:03 owen      The koha logo is on almost every staff client page
18:03 owen      Any page which has a search box at the top has the Koha logo
18:04 nengard   you know what - my brain is so wiped out - it's that the search box is below the logo instead of to the right of it that made it look funny
18:04 nengard   and that might be that i was zoomed in
18:04 nengard   hang on
18:04 owen      I see, the layout does break if your browser window is too small
18:05 owen      The authorities search form is wider than most
18:08 nengard   closed as invalid - i have been going nonstop since last sunday so my brain has no more power in it and i'm doing silly/stupid things
18:09 owen      Thanks for clarifying nengard
18:10 nengard   no prob - thanks for pointing it out to me
18:11 owen      Bug 5265 is a good one though :)
18:11 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5265 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, error message on lists is misleading
18:23 nengard   :)
18:23 nengard   i do have 1/2 a brain today
18:23 * owen    looks forward to reading 50% of your bug reports today
18:24 nengard   LOL
18:24 nengard   i'm done
18:24 nengard   i'm going to the airport now!! home for a rest of the brain
18:40 chris     Morning
18:40 owen      Hi chris
18:41 chris     Hey owen how's things?
18:42 owen      Not bad. Been fighting with Drupal for the last few days.
18:42 * chris_n greets chris
18:42 chris_n   and hands owen a bigger stick
18:43 owen      Thanks chris_n, I'm wearing Drupal down through perseverance
18:43 chris     Owen: shiny knows craploads about drupal
18:44 chris     If you get stuck pester her :)
18:45 owen      Usually if I get stuck I just work on Koha for a few weeks ;)
18:45 chris     Heh
18:46 hdl       hi
18:47 chris     Hi hdl
18:47 chris     Started packing yet?
18:47 chris     :)
18:48 wizzyrea_ /me has started packing
18:48 wizzyrea_ srs.
18:49 chris     heh
18:49 chris     Based on today, bring a rain coat
18:52 chris     Ok my stop
19:10 briceSanc hello
19:11 chris     back
19:14 briceSanc We have to change the default Koha template for our client's needs. With your experience, what is the best approach to not be too upset when Koha be updated ?
19:14 owen      briceSanc: Are you *sure* you need to change the template?
19:15 briceSanc I'm sure
19:15 chris     what do you need it to do?
19:15 briceSanc not the template engine but the design
19:16 briceSanc am�liorations ergonomiques, nouvelles couleurs, ...
19:16 briceSanc oops
19:16 ebegin    hehe :)
19:16 briceSanc ergonomic improvements, new colors ...
19:17 owen      briceSanc: I'd be happy to advise you on changes which can be made via CSS if you can share specifics
19:17 briceSanc ctrl+c,v problem :)
19:17 owen      Colors are an obvious thing which don't require a new template
19:17 ebegin    There is no really easy way other than limiting your modification of the .tmpl file.  When a new verison is release, compare the previous community-release to the new one and adapt your template accordingly
19:17 chris     yeah you can probably do a lot of that with jquery and css
19:18 chris     so yeah do as much as you possibly can that way, otherwise you just make upgrading harder and harder
19:18 wizzyrea_ < was in the template updating trap
19:18 wizzyrea_ I escaped with jquery
19:18 chris     ohh way cool
19:18 chris     check out the latest message to the list
19:18 chris     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5260
19:18 munin     04Bug 5260: enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email
19:18 wizzyrea_ OOOOO
19:19 wizzyrea_ oooOOOooo
19:19 wizzyrea_ that's a good one
19:19 chris     with a patch to test out
19:19 chris     i need 6 more hands
19:19 sekjal    chris: I hear you on that; want to test, don't have so much the time right now
19:19 wizzyrea_ I might get to it in a couple of days
19:19 ebegin    when you mean with jquery, you mean that you are updating the site DOM with JQuery function?
19:19 wizzyrea_ I have a couple of libraries who migt want that
19:20 owen      ebegin: You can use system prefs to embed jQuery which changes HTML on the page
19:20 chris     ill reply and say, very cool, #koha on irc got quite excited
19:20 ebegin    owen: what about the  performances?
19:20 cait      hi #koha
19:21 sekjal    gtg.  later, #koha
19:21 wizzyrea_ bye i... oh bother
19:21 owen      ebegin: The only answer to that question is test it
19:21 briceSanc ok thanks for your answers
19:21 ebegin    :)
19:21 chris     ebegin: firefox and chromium are fast, ie 7 .... not so much
19:21 ebegin    briceSanc, there is another option...
19:22 ebegin    Make such a kick ass template that the whole community will adopt it ;)
19:22 briceSanc :)
19:22 briceSanc it would be nice
19:22 briceSanc i want but i don't know for my client...
19:23 chris     right, emailed edgar
19:29 briceSanc bye everyone, i return to the hourly loan
19:29 owen      Missed opportunity
19:30 jcamins   owen: what opportunity?
19:30 owen      To preach the customization gospel of CSS and jQuery
19:30 chris     :)
19:30 jcamins   Oh, well, I'm converted.
19:31 owen      Or at the very least to be able to say "Yeah, you need a new template for that, sucks to be you" ;)
19:31 jcamins   Of course, I mostly want to add new pages, not modify existing ones.
19:34 slef      morning
19:34 chris     hi slef
19:35 slef      it's all go here this week... bones on the beach Monday, hotel on fire tonight
19:35 chris     yikes!
19:35 chris     human bones?
19:36 slef      yes... let me get the link from http://identi.ca/mjray
19:36 slef      http://bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-england-somerset-11418528
19:36 slef      hotel on fire is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-england-bristol-11439046
19:36 chris     we've just got whales :(
19:37 chris     http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39306691/ns/us_news-environment/
19:37 slef      yeah, something I wondered... instead of NZ pushing them back into the sea and Japan dodgily hunting "for scientific research", why doesn't NZ export the stupid ones to Japan?
19:37 chris     heh
19:37 chris     is the hotel near you?
19:38 slef      not massively, but I go past it on my way into town
19:38 chris     happy whale
19:38 chris     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA
19:38 wizzyrea_ oo, whale watching
19:38 slef      Kewstoke Toll Road is closed, which is my usual route in
19:40 chris     http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4177843/Conservationists-free-entangled-whale  <-- and good whale news
19:43 chris_n   @wunder 28334
19:43 munin     chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 21.1�C (3:49 PM EDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Steady).  Flash Flood Watch in effect through Thursday afternoon... 
19:43 * chris_n goes after his canoe
19:43 chris     :)
19:44 chris_n   although "Light Rain" is a bit of an understatement
19:46 jcamins   @wunder 11105
19:46 munin     jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 25.0�C (3:51 PM EDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady).  Flood Watch in effect from late tonight through late Friday night...
19:47 jcamins   What, now that the threat of tornado is past we have to worry about flooding?
19:47 slef      jcamins: yep, if the rain doesn't get you from above, it will from below.
19:49 jcamins   Lucky us.
19:52 jcamins   owen: I won't be doing it tonight, but would you like me to sign-off on your patch for the 006 builder?
19:53 cait      jcamins++
19:53 owen      Sure jcamins, if it looks good to you. Thanks
19:53 cait      thx for signing-off my patch!
19:53 jcamins   cait: you're welcome.
19:54 jcamins   cait: oh, that reminds me. Is there any chance you could send your patch for the ohloh links directly to me? Apparently you can't download just one message from the archives, and our mail server ran out of room so I had to delete my local archives.
19:54 jcamins   I'll sign off on it.
19:55 jcamins   I'm feeling sign-off-y, probably because this allows me to avoid my own development for a while.
19:55 cait      jcamins: no problem
19:56 cait      will try to do it tomorrow
19:56 jcamins   Thanks.
19:56 ebegin    Am i correct when I state that we cannot delete a vendor?
19:57 ebegin    (other than removing it from the db)
19:57 owen      ebegin: Yes
19:57 owen      But you can make it inactive
19:57 ebegin    Is there a reason?
19:58 owen      Because you might have past orders in the system from that vendor
19:59 chris     yeah if you ahve ever ordered anything from that vendor, the item will be linked to it
19:59 chris     but we should allow ppl to delete ones that have never been used
19:59 ebegin    that what I was about to suggest.
19:59 chris     interviewee is late ... not a good start
20:00 slef      chris: depends on the explanation.
20:00 chris     true
20:00 owen      "Found bones on the beach on way to interview"
20:00 slef      "my bus got stuck under a whale" might pass, for example
20:00 cait      ebegin: i wrote a bug report for " can not delete vendor "
20:00 slef      but they should have emailed
20:00 cait      it's somewhere in bugzilla
20:00 slef      assuming the whale had wifi
20:01 ebegin    ok, thanks cait!
22:22 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4084: remove \r from header line for sake of consistency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccadb31c21e5fee9712dfc5933c93747e2fe30f6> / (bug #4084) fix offline circ <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d990e2cd32a026c60c00c8c2acbab29f530c35e7>
23:07 brendan   @wunder 93117
23:07 munin     brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.3�C (4:10 PM PDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling).