Time  Nick      Message
02:53 Amit      heya chris
06:25 cait      good morning #koha
06:26 cait      hi magnus
06:26 * magnus  mmm, licorice... ;-)
06:26 magnus    hi cait
06:26 cait      licorice
06:26 cait      ?
06:28 cait      ah, Lakritze
06:28 magnus    kohacon has a new sponsor: http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/
06:28 cait      you are eating licorice practically before breakfast?
06:28 cait      uh
06:28 magnus    nope, just celebrating the new sponsor ;-)
06:29 cait      oh
06:29 cait      good
06:31 magnus    oh no, look at the alphabetical list of sponsors! "The Library" is filed under T! oh no! ;-)
06:31 cait      lol
06:31 cait      I think that's ok, the conference site should not be better than koha ;)
06:33 cait      ok, time for work
06:33 cait      cya magnus
07:03 ivanc     good morning #koha
07:23 magnus    hiya ivanc, alex_a, francharb, matts, Kivutar, stephane1 & davi!
07:23 francharb hi magnus!
07:23 ivanc     hi magnus
07:23 davi      hi
07:26 Kivutar   hi all :)
07:27 alex_a    hi magnus :)
07:28 kf        hi #koha
07:29 kf        chris: around?
07:31 ivanc     hi #kf
07:34 kf        hi ivanc :)
07:36 magnus    hi kf
07:37 kf        hi again magnus
07:38 magnus    welcome back! short commute?
07:39 chris     hi all
07:41 kf        hi chris
07:44 magnus    hey, kohacon is just 4 weeks off!
07:45 chris     yup!
07:45 chris     3 new public libraries (part of 1 system) went live today
07:45 kf        magnus: 10 minute walk :)
07:46 kf        grats chris :)
07:46 magnus    kf: goody! i have a 0 minute walk... ;-)
07:46 magnus    woohoo, chris! on 3.2?
07:47 chris     yup
07:47 magnus    cool
07:47 kf        cool :)
07:54 magnus    i guess if bug 4310 is the main blocker, it isn't of much concern to libraries new to koha
07:54 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2
07:55 chris     theres a patch for that now
07:55 chris     that works, we are just waiting for it to be all bundled up and released afaik
07:56 magnus    ah, way cool!
09:38 markk     good morning all
09:38 markk     is there anyone who can help me with the koha system?
09:43 magnus    markk: as our topic says: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" ;-)
09:43 kf        markk: look at our topic
09:43 kf        ah, magnus can type faster than me :)
09:46 kf        markk: what is your question?
09:46 markk     i set up koha on ubuntu .. set it to use UTF8 and mysql as well
09:46 markk     everything is fine for now
09:47 markk     but when i search in the catalocue
09:47 markk     for a name in arabic .. it returne all the books
09:48 markk     i changed the encoding in mysql of the character_set_client/connection/result from latin1 to utf8 .. but with no lick
09:48 markk     any idea?
10:12 slef      @seen chris
10:12 munin     slef: chris was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <chris> that works, we are just waiting for it to be all bundled up and released afaik
10:13 slef      chris: still awake?  Or anyone else who can Redirect http://kohacon10.org.nz/ http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/
10:14 magnus    hm, it does say it works, though... ;-)
10:25 kf        markk: we use Icu indexing because of our hebrew records - it works fine, but you can find all information in magnus link
10:52 markk     kf: i'm working on magnus' link :D .. having some problems on how to manually recompile Yaz but will report back to you when it's working .. thanks :D
11:44 kf        hi jwagner
11:46 jwagner   Hi kf
12:23 * chris_n finally settles back down from a weekend of bouncing around
12:29 owen      Happy Monday to those of you for whom this Monday is new.
12:29 owen      Hello to all others.
12:30 * Braedon says hello from the FUTURE
12:30 owen      You get good wifi from the flying car eh?
12:30 Braedon   all whitespace here
12:31 * Braedon doesn't know if anyone knows what that is, but o well
12:31 larsw     Braedon, are you talking about the US decision to allow frequencies between analog tv channels to be used for Internet purposes?
12:32 Braedon   i indeed am
12:32 larsw     then I don't know what you're talking about :)
12:33 Braedon   apparently the US doesn't need Net Neutrality, cos Whitespace will solve all their problems
12:33 Braedon   being from the future, i can report they were absolutely correct!
12:33 Braedon   cured cancer and everything
12:34 Braedon   /end-irrelevant-rant
12:35 owen      We don't need net neutrality because we've already got the best broadband service in the entire world? Right?
12:35 owen      <crickets>
12:35 Braedon   mmm, delicious crickets
12:38 Braedon   (as some of you astute Kohanauts may have noticed, the probability of Braedon being both on IRC and slightly insane increases drastically during the small hours of the morning)
12:39 Braedon   (hopefully he shall break this habit eventually, and perhaps even come back to do something productive)
12:39 larsw     IRC = Insanity Rules, Cool
12:39 Braedon   (until then, he apologizes - it is nothing personal, #koha is just the first tab in his client)
12:41 Braedon   (thank you for your patience and understanding)
13:01 chris_n   does anyone else find the inability to absolutely control the print margins in FF very irksome?
13:02 * chris_n did some preliminary work on an html export option for the labels creator this weekend and was stymied by this apparent lack of ability in FF
13:03 owen      chris_n: Are FF's page margin settings not working correctly?
13:04 chris_n   that is correct from my observations
13:05 chris_n   even those in about:config have little to no effect
13:05 * owen    has never tried to print something from FF which needed precision
13:05 chris_n   FF seems to want to impose a 0.5 inch margin regardless of what the user desires
13:05 owen      I have however had FF unceremoniously crash when trying to print some pages, so I often open up *shudder* IE to print
13:06 chris_n   and there appear to be many and loud complaints to this effect for many revisions of FF
13:06 chris_n   at any rate, it is a major hold up to using html output to print labels
13:07 * chris_n figured that such an option would overcome the utf-8 problems inherent to the pdf exporter
13:07 * chris_n wants a browser that works like he wants it to and wants it at least a year ago if possible :-)
14:09 wizzyrea  mornin.
14:10 kf        hi wizzyrea
14:48 chris_n   hi wizzyrea && kf
15:12 jcamins   Good morning, #koha
15:15 jcamins   kf++ # for working on adding the article icon
15:15 jcamins   # to the Intranet client
15:18 kf        huh?
15:18 kf        jcamins: I have the patch ready, but I have to confess it's on a branch with a lof of other changes
15:18 kf        jcamins: I had some hope you will look at them once I finished everything..
15:19 kf        I talked to chris and he said he will create a branch for 3.4
15:21 jcamins   I will be happy to take a look. :)
15:27 jcamins   Hm.
15:27 jcamins   How did we duplicate subfields back before owen's nice duplicating icons?
15:28 jcamins   I know we were able to, but for the life of me I can't figure out how.
15:30 jcamins   Hm. I'm getting an error.
15:32 kf        I think it was + and - back then
15:33 kf        jcamins: is there a reason you don't show 733$h with the information about pages and issue?
15:34 jcamins   I think I just copied the code from someone else. ;)
15:35 jcamins   Maybe 780/785?
15:36 jcamins   Which should also display $h, of course.
15:36 mib_sq7uz Hello all......any more closer to 3.2 release??
15:39 kf        jcamins: ok, I will take a look. perhaps display it separately from the link to the serial
15:39 kf        I did some work on other editions and "sets"
15:40 kf        if you are willing to test, I will give you some example records so you can see how it works :)
15:40 jcamins   Sure!
15:42 kf        cool :)
15:43 kf        I hope I can show something next week
15:44 jcamins   Whenever you're done, I'll be happy to look at it.
15:54 kf        :)
15:55 jcamins   Ooh!
15:55 jcamins   Hm. nengard is not here.
15:55 jcamins   @later tell nengard Congratulations!
15:55 munin     jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:56 kf        jcamins: birhtday?
15:56 jcamins   New book. :)
16:01 kf        joetho: we use it
16:01 kf        joetho: but my coworker does the server side things
16:21 kf        hi druthb :)
16:21 druthb    hi.  :)
16:23 jcamins   druthb: Hello. I finally realized how to pronounce your nick. :)
16:24 druthb    jcamins:  You're not the first to struggle a little with it.  I've had people say "doctor---huh?"
16:24 jcamins   I had wondered repeatedly how to pronounce "thb," before I realized that the "d" and "b" were separate.
16:27 reva      Hi all, there was some issue with mibbit. I am reva, but it is not taking my name input. I am not able to find the misc/migration_tools script in my Koha 3.0.6 Live CD VirtualBox ll. I would like to test importing Marc records into the database.
16:27 reva      ok, I guess it did take reva as my name after all:)
16:28 jcamins   reva: you appear to be reva.
16:28 reva      Yes:) jcamins:
16:28 jcamins   reva: check ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools
16:29 reva      I will check for it. I searched for any folder named misc in my ubuntu, but it is coming up empty.
16:30 joetho    hi reva, hi druthb, hi everybody else, and KF: can you ask your serverside sip2 person if your sip2 authentication uses a username:password, or just a password?
16:30 joetho    yikes that didn't come out right on MY browser at all!
16:30 kf        sorry, he is not here now
16:30 kf        I can ask him tomorrow
16:30 jcamins   reva: It is certainly there, because we briefly used the livecd and were able to import records.
16:31 kf        but I think he uses cardnumber and password
16:31 joetho    I meant "username - password" and my browser emoticonified it into something different.
16:31 joetho    thanks kf
16:31 kf        where is your problem with that?
16:31 jcamins   Also, just to be clear, the script is called bulkmarcimport.pl, not migration_tools.
16:31 CGI508    does anyone kno the vmware loging
16:31 CGI508    login*
16:32 joetho    kf: my sip2 vendor wants a "terminal password"
16:32 kf        hm
16:32 CGI508    ??
16:33 kf        hm, perhaps I was wrong then
16:33 CGI508    does anyone kno the efault web login
16:33 jcamins   CGI508: nope, sorry.
16:33 kf        I think we have login data in this xml configuration fiel of the sip server, but not sure what the vendor does to authenticate
16:33 CGI508    default*?
16:33 joetho    kf: I guess I'll find out. thanks
16:33 reva      Hi joetho:. jcamins: I have /etc which is where the Koha is in the Ubuntu file system. But there are other folders in /etc (such as Perl, p5) but no misc under /etc or /Koha. Clone search brought up some results (such bomberclone, ntfsclone) but no kohaclone.
16:34 CGI508    can some one tell me the default login plase
16:35 reva      jcamins: got it about the script name being called the bulkmarcimport.pl.
16:36 jcamins   CGI508: I don't think anyone knows, sorry. The vmware vm is very old, as I recall.
16:36 kf        does someone know how the merge records works?
16:36 CGI508    only 3.1
16:36 kf        I thought there was something with the cart
16:36 CGI508    does anyone kno the newest stadard login
16:36 jcamins   kf: ooh! something I know! What problem are you running into?
16:36 kf        how to start it :)
16:36 jcamins   Oh.
16:36 kf        oh?
16:36 jcamins   Let me check.
16:37 jcamins   No, the "oh" was about the version of the vmware vm.
16:37 CGI508    nd i cant find it nd need it
16:38 kf        jcamins: puh :)
16:38 CGI508    so any sugestions ppl
16:39 jcamins   CGI508: http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
16:39 reva      I have couple of more questions: 1) in the OPAC, is there not a button for going back to the search results ( labels this button title list) when you are looking at bib record?
16:39 jcamins   reva: I don't believe there is such a button, no.
16:39 owen      The browser has a back button though :P
16:40 reva      That was meant to be (LC labels this Title List).
16:40 jcamins   kf: I know I used the merge records feature, but I can't remember how.
16:40 kf        hah I found it :)
16:40 kf        it's not the cart, it's lists
16:40 owen      Bug 3075
16:40 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3075 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, return to search results on detail page
16:40 kf        hi owen
16:40 jcamins   Ah-ha!
16:41 jcamins   Yup. That's it.
16:41 reva      Thanks for the obviosity pointer owen::)
16:41 jcamins   Merge should work with the cart, too.
16:41 * jcamins watches his bug list get longer
16:42 CGI508    thts a diffrent set up
16:42 jcamins   CGI508: yes, but it's much newer, and we know the password for it.
16:43 CGI508    oh ok ill try it
16:43 kf        jcamins: can you write an enhancement request? *offers cookies*
16:43 jcamins   CGI508: by the way, you should know that the Koha website is http://koha-community.org/
16:43 jcamins   kf: well, if you're offering cookies... ;)
16:43 jcamins   Sure.
16:43 kf        thx
16:44 kf        :)
16:44 kf        I am doing screenshots for a presentation right now
16:44 kf        so much work, not enough time :(
16:45 reva      ok, the second question: I would like my see also references show in OPAC from my authority files. I tried following instructions from the manual for 3.0 (from the other site).  CG1508: Mizstic build is easy to install and configure.) jcamins: I still have not found the script.
16:48 kf        ok, time to go home - bye all!
16:48 reva      jcamins: should I ask mizst about the /misc folder, etc? He told me that he may not know Koha specific things.
16:49 jcamins   reva: that would be a good idea.
16:49 jcamins   You could also try running the following command:
16:49 jcamins   find / -name "bulkmarcimport.pl" -print
16:50 jcamins   That will tell you if the script is on the CD.
16:50 jcamins   (and where it is)
16:50 reva      ok, I will try that from the command line. What is the function of "-name" in the command there? (Just curious.)
16:51 jcamins   It says "search for a file with the following name."
16:55 reva      jcamins: it listed a lot of things that rushed past. (Even scrolling up I cannot go to where I had entered my command.) But this is a sample: find: `/proc/1348/task/1348/fd': Permission denied.
16:56 reva      another says: find: `/root': Permission denied.
17:01 Braedon   reva: or so i surmise - only have your last three messages
17:01 reva      Got it Braedon; I was actually thinking YOU might be able to walk me through this exercise. So if I do not have read permission eve, how could I RUN the script?
17:03 reva      Basically I want to do a bulkimport. Now there are two parts to my question. 1) When I save from an OPAC, it gives me the choice to save in marc. Does it mean it will automatically save it as an .mle? 2) how do I run the bulkmarcimport.pl script?
17:03 reva      that was supposed to be .mrc Braedon::)
17:05 reva      And I cannot find the kohaclone folder where the script is supposed to reside.
17:06 Braedon   alas not the person to ask at the moment sorry - can't remember anything useful about 2, never done 1, and it is 6:15am and i really should be heading to bed
17:07 reva      sorry Braedon. Good night then:)
17:07 Braedon   basically only still up as it takes less energy to sit on my chair and stare a computer screen than to go to bed :P
17:11 brendan   morning all
17:15 sekjal    morning, brendan!
17:15 Braedon   morning brendan from Braedon as he heads to bed in the morning
17:16 brendan   night night
17:16 jcamins   Morning brendan, night Braedon.
17:16 Braedon   the birds are chirping but Braedon is snoring
17:16 Braedon   sionara #koha
17:23 chobbs    Can someoen point out where to adjust script timeouts? I'm importing ~14,000 patrons and hitting a Gateway Timeout in 2.2 beta that I didn't get in 3.00
17:23 chobbs    s/2.2/3.2/
17:29 * druthb  waves to brendan
17:30 * brendan waves back
17:32 reva      so anyone for my question on showing  "see also" names in search results in OPAC?
17:46 reva      the silence is deafening. in the LC catalog they give me the option to save it in non-Unicode/MARC-8 and MARC Unicode/UTF-8); when saved the files have .cgi extensions. So how would I import them into Koha?
17:46 jcamins   reva: Tools->Stage MARC Records for Import.
17:47 jcamins   Choose the file (it doesn't matter what the extension is).
17:47 reva      and what editor would let me read a .cgi file? (i.e., if it is human readable).
17:47 jcamins   Follow the instructions. :)
17:47 reva      ok jcamins:
17:47 jcamins   It's just a binary MARC file.
17:47 jcamins   MarcEdit.
17:48 jcamins   You should download the records as MARC Unicode/UTF-8.
17:48 jcamins   But I think you'd be better off using Z39.50.
17:49 jcamins   Downloading it onto your desktop adds a bunch of extra steps.
17:49 chobbs    Am I right that there is no place in the staff client to set the number of renewals when creating circ and fine rules? I've been setting renewalsallowed in the issuingrules table by hand...
17:50 reva      Ok, I did download Unicode/Utf-8. Isn't MARC edit a software I have to install though? I have used z39.50, but this is for practicing staging and importing.
17:50 jcamins   chobbs: we don't use the circulation module at all, but that doesn't seem right. I'm checking the bug database now.
17:50 jcamins   reva: Yes, if you want software that will read MARC files, you'll need to download it.
17:51 owen      reva: Why not import the record into Koha and edit it there?
17:51 chobbs    jcamins:  nothing poped out of bugzilla for me.
17:51 jcamins   chobbs: there is no bug reported about not being edit renewalsallowed.
17:51 jcamins   Which makes me think that maybe it's just counter-intuitive. ;)
17:51 reva      jcamins: lots of university online catalog servers are not z39.50 compliant. But they do let you save their marc files for copy cataloging (via saving and importing into your library system.)
17:52 chobbs    jcamins: Well, everything else in issuingrules is set from the Circulation and Fines page, so I'm pretty sure it ought to be there :-)
17:53 cait      hi #koha
17:53 jcamins   chobbs: I see the option to set "Renewals Allowed (count)" on that page.
17:53 jcamins   Hi cait
17:53 cait      hi again jcamins :)
17:53 cait      what are you searching for?
17:53 reva      owen: I am not sure what you are saying. From inside Koha I know to use the z39.50; but many online catalogs do not share their bib records that way.
17:53 jcamins   I don't know what it does, or how to test it, but I do see that option.
17:54 reva      hi cait::)
17:54 chobbs    jcamins:  Weird, I don't. Wasn't there under 3.00.05 and I just upgraded to 3.2 beta and it still isn't there.
17:54 cait      hi reva
17:54 jcamins   cait: chobbs is trying to set renewalsallowed, but there's no option for that in the issuing rules screen on his install.
17:55 cait      ah
17:55 cait      it's new in 3.2
17:55 cait      before it was in the item type
17:55 jcamins   Unfortunately I have more than exhausted my knowledge of the subject.
17:55 cait      it's new in the issuing rules matrix in 3.2 in 3.0.x it was configured in the item type
17:55 cait      does this help?
17:55 * cait    wants to earn some cookies
17:56 chobbs    cait: just upgraded to 3.2Beta, and don't see it in that screen
17:56 cait      you work with en templates?
17:56 chobbs    cait: yes
17:56 cait      hm
17:57 cait      strange
17:57 chobbs    cait: You're referrign to smart-rules.pl, right?
17:57 cait      Im quite sure about this
17:57 cait      yep
18:00 cait      if you never changed your language that's perhaps not the problem
18:01 cait      do you have a language chooser at the bottom of your page?
18:01 chobbs    language in preference claims en
18:01 cait      ok, so that seems not to be your problem
18:01 cait      weird
18:02 reva      jcamins:I got an answer for my question from Mizst:) : This question is in fact Live CD specific. :-)  The file is at this location:  /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl  By the way, you need to use sudo when performing the search, otherwise it can’t access certain subdirectories, hence the error messages.
18:03 reva      so how does the sudo command go? (I kind of get it gives me root privileges)
18:04 jcamins   Put sudo at the beginning of whatever command you want to run.
18:04 jcamins   But I don't think there is anything you will need to do as root.
18:06 reva      well, I guess running a script needs extra privileges then:).
18:06 reva      jcamins: I will try your command now with sudo in front now.
18:06 jcamins   reva: what command?
18:07 jcamins   Mizst answered your question.
18:07 jcamins   You do not need to search for the script, you know where it is.
18:08 reva      ok, I got it; but would I be able to run the script without elevated permissions?
18:09 jcamins   In fact, you *must* run the script as your koha user.
18:09 jcamins   If you run it as root, it might mess things up.
18:12 reva      ok, I see. I am a little puzzled about what bulkmarcimport does. I mean what are the situations I would use the script?
18:13 jcamins   reva: it is for importing MARC records.
18:13 chobbs    cait:  Does koha cache "compiled" pages somewhere on the server? that is, does it build pages with tempaltes and then keep static versions in a cache that might be messing me up?
18:14 owen      No
18:14 chobbs    owen:  thx
18:14 owen      chobbs: Every time I've wondered the same it's been because I was working with the wrong language template
18:15 chobbs    owen:  Is there a way for me to prove that I'm using the right template? language pref is set to 'en', but cait suggests I'm using en_NZ because of "Issue" and "Return"
18:15 owen      View source
18:15 chobbs    owen:  well, duh :-)
18:16 chobbs    owen:  href="/intranet-tmpl/prog/en-NZ/lib/jquery/plugins/ui.tabs.css
18:16 reva      jcamins: I found the script. So I have a staged record. Do I invoke the bulkmarcimport.pl to import it into the database? (I realize bulk means a lot). I was just going to use one to test.
18:16 owen      :)
18:16 chobbs    owen:  So now how do I fix it? Since my pref is set correctly, why isn't it using en?
18:16 reva      jcamins: or am I confounding a lot of things. owen: you are saying a lot of obvious things today:).
18:18 owen      chobbs: You're looking at the "language" system preference?
18:18 chobbs    owen:  correct
18:19 owen      ...And only "English(en)" is checked?
18:19 chobbs    owen:  correct (and shouldn't that be a radio button?)
18:19 owen      chobbs: Which version are you on?
18:19 chobbs    3.01.00.140
18:20 jcamins   reva: you need the Stage MARC Records for Import utility.
18:20 jcamins   Tools->Stage MARC Records for Import.
18:20 jcamins   bulkmarcimport.pl is the script you asked about way back at the beginning of our conversation.
18:20 jcamins   But it's not what you actually want. ;)
18:20 owen      chobbs: There are a couple of different things here: 1) What languages are available for use in the OPAC or staff client
18:20 owen      2) What language has been *chosen* for the OPAC or staff client
18:21 owen      Number 1 is what the preferences set up
18:21 owen      Number 2 is done via the language links at the bottom of the page
18:21 owen      chobbs: Do you have more than one language enabled?
18:21 chobbs    owen:  Got it. I don't see the language sleector at the bottom of the page, presumably because only 'en' is selected.
18:22 reva      ok, I thought as much. Oh I see. I import the staged records using Manage.. in the Tools section. But then when do I actually use the script I asked at the beginning. (I told you I was confounded.):)
18:22 owen      chobbs: "English(en-NZ)" shows up in your preferences but it's unchecked?
18:22 chobbs    owen:  Interesting, if I add en_NZ, I get the selector, but if I choose en, it reverts back to en_NZ
18:22 jcamins   reva: you don't need to use the script at all.
18:22 chobbs    owen:  that was correct
18:23 jcamins   You then go to Tools->Manage Staged Records, and click the "Import" link.
18:23 owen      chobbs: Possibly related, Bug 5052
18:23 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5052 normal, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Can't choose languages if all choices are sublanguages
18:24 reva      ok, now why was I told to use it by some people? (I mean I would have naturally looked for GUI like the Manage ... and not looked for a command line thing like bulkmarcimport, if you get what I mean.)
18:25 chobbs    owen:  Interesting - If I add es-ES, I can now choose en
18:25 chobbs    owen:  so it does sound like that bug indeed
18:26 jcamins   reva: because we probably thought you were trying to import a lot of data.
18:27 owen      chobbs: I'm glad we can at least identify the problem as a known issue
18:27 chobbs    owen:  :-)
18:27 reva      jcamins: oh, we will one day. But I am doing one record for practice. So using the GUI can I take the default and hit the button saying "Apply different matching rule"?
18:28 chobbs    owen, cait: That does allow me to address my original issue, which was how to modify the Renewals allowed in circ and fine rules. Apparently that's not manageable in en_NZ?
18:28 jcamins   reva: yes.
18:28 chobbs    That column is appearing now.
18:29 cait      chobbs: when you update you need to redo the templates
18:29 chobbs    oh?
18:29 cait      depending on how you update and such things... with git you always have to
18:29 cait      so if something is working in en and not in another language - recreate your templates
18:29 chobbs    cait: don't think that was covered in INSTALL.ubuntu...
18:29 reva      jcamins: say I have a dozen records, I have saved from different sources in MARC Unicode/UTF-8 (all having .cgi extension). How actually would I use theulkmarcimport.pl?
18:29 chobbs    cait:  is there a script for rebuildingthose?
18:29 owen      chobbs: Did you install using git?
18:30 chobbs    owen:  no, downloaded latest beta tgz
18:30 jcamins   reva: I don't think you can import from multiple files at once.
18:30 * owen    doesn't know what languages are included in the beta tarball
18:31 chobbs    owen:  I actually thought it was just 'en', which would certainly explain why the en_NZ template doesn't have the updated circ and fine template
18:32 cait      chobbs: which type of installation do you have?
18:32 chobbs    tempted to just cp en to en_NZ and leave things the way they were :-)
18:32 reva      No, I mean appending all the marc records with the appropriate seperations in a single file; is that possible then?
18:32 cait      dev or standard?
18:33 cait      reva: one single file is correct, bulkmarcimport is for a lot of records, like 20000
18:33 chobbs    cait: assume I got the standard (was a relatively modest sized tgz)
18:33 cait      you can use translate in /misc/translator
18:34 cait      but it will not translate your sys pref file
18:34 cait      s
18:34 cait      translate install nz-NZ
18:34 cait      en-NZ
18:34 reva      jcamins: I just imported the stage record into the database, but when I search it is saying no results found.?
18:34 jcamins   reva: did you wait 10 minutes?
18:35 jcamins   The index is only updated every 10 minutes.
18:35 cait      reva: you staged and managed the records?
18:36 reva      yes, jcamins:
18:36 jcamins   No idea, then. It works for me.
18:37 reva      ok, I will try it again in a bit; the index may be working slowly.
18:37 reva      Thanks, jcamins:
18:56 chobbs    cait: that seemed to work wonders!
18:56 cait      cool :)
19:33 wajasu    I'm running 3.2beta. if I just run misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl every 8 minutes, should that prevent the index from being available during a search? It seems to cause 'No Result found!' at some point in the rebuild process (i.e. when zebraidx starts running).
19:33 richard   hi
19:34 cait      wajasu: are u using the -z option?
19:34 wajasu    no -z
19:35 cait      oh
19:36 cait      without -z you are rebuilding the whole index every time
19:36 cait      -z will only reindex new and changed records from zebra_queue table
19:37 cait      I think we use -a -b -z
19:40 wajasu    i will go back to that way.
20:02 reva      jcamins: I am back; the Manage import works fine.:) But I notice that there is no save as MARC Unicode/UTF-8 choice in the bib records in the online catalogs of libraries that participate in OCLC. So I am forced to cutting and pasting, I think, when I am in the non z39.50 environment.
20:04 reva      jcamins: So essentially I will use bulkmarcimport.pl when I am migrating to a version of Koha from some other ILS system? or even to a higher version of Koha from a lower one?
20:06 jcamins   reva: if you can save as MARC-8, that will work fine, too.
20:06 jcamins   And, yes, that is essentially when you will need bulkmarcimport. When you have a huge number of records to import. You might use it if you want to take all the records off your server and load them into a different server.
20:13 reva      Ok, got it. But can I stage import a record into authorities, say from LC? Or does the stage and import do it only for bib records?
20:13 jcamins   Only bib records.
20:13 jcamins   My experience is that it's must faster to just rekey authority records.
20:13 jcamins   *much
20:14 reva      jcamins: the libraries (the non z39.50 ones) that I looked at  lets you save them only as brief or full record; no marc encoding at all in the save options:(
20:14 jcamins   Yes, that's common.
20:15 reva      what do you mean rekey? I am not understnading the new term.
20:15 jcamins   I was just clarifying that while UTF-8 is preferred, MARC-8 works fine too.
20:15 jcamins   Type it in from scratch.
20:16 jcamins   Copy-and-paste can mangle letters with accents.
20:16 reva      ok, so no staging and importing into authorities, hah?
20:16 jcamins   Right.
20:17 reva      but LC lets you save authority files, so I thought that would be cool to stage and import them if there was a possibility of that. Oh well. Well time to go to Spanish class. Hasta manana:)
20:19 reva      Thansk jcamins: for all the help today. Bye.
20:19 jcamins   Bye.
20:36 cait      jcamins: I am a bit confused - I am looking at traced series
20:37 jcamins   No wonder you're confused!
20:37 cait      I thought the indicator problem was fixed
20:37 cait      but I can't see the traced series because of the indicator
20:37 jcamins   I don't think so. I had fixed the indicator with the 780/785.
20:38 jcamins   We had discussed the indicator problems, but I thought our ultimate conclusion was that no one knew what to do.
20:39 cait      hm
20:40 cait      ok, it's just strange
20:42 cait      I thought this problem was fixed
20:42 cait      hmpf :)
20:42 cait      jcamins: thx
20:42 jcamins   cait: bug 5256
20:42 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5256 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Merge bibs should work from cart
20:43 cait      jcamins++ :)
20:43 * jcamins blushes
20:44 jcamins   Whoops, it's 4:53!
20:44 jcamins   Good night, #koha
20:45 cait      wow
20:45 cait      good night jcamins
20:45 cait      10:50 pm here
20:45 jcamins   (that's 16:53, for those of you who use a 24-hour clock)
20:45 jcamins   Time to go print wedding announcements. :D
20:53 joetho    Wedding announcements?
20:53 joetho    congratulations?
20:54 joetho    Congratulations!
21:06 cait      jcamins: there is a patch from owen - not pushed to head yet. but I tested it - explains my confusion :)
21:07 cait      bug 2704
21:07 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues
23:01 brendan   I'm guessing 23C at the most
23:15 * chris_n figures out his problem
23:15 chris_n   at least the margin problem I was having with FF
23:16 chris_n   @later tell owen disabling YUI fixed my FF print margin problems
23:16 munin     chris_n: The operation succeeded.