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23:00 chris :)
23:00 brendan let's hope it has patron barcodes in it this time
22:59 * brendan waiting for a report to arrive too :)
22:47 chris all updated
22:25 * chris talks to himself to avoid what i used to call library crazy .. you know when a room is so quiet that after like 20 minutes you want to scream .. i had to fight that urge all the way through university in the library
22:24 chris NEKLS and RJ's Licorice ... cool eh :)
22:24 chris 2 new sponsors .. but only have logos for one
22:24 chris so ill update the kohacon site while i wait
22:23 chris right the waiting game begins, im all set i just have to wait for the libraries to close now, then migrate their circ data, and im done .. then fly up tomorrow for go live
22:15 brendan :)
22:14 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kumara.git;a=blob;f=telnet/startint.pl;h=e47898e264cd2e7f59043f95e37095d2b4cf2910;hb=052cfb3dffd5f0b633d45ca6eb13b4b41f683987
22:14 chris heh
22:14 brendan my $blah; (found that and that's pretty descriptive)
22:13 chris using curses development kit
22:12 chris well ssh really
22:12 chris old circulation was telnet based
22:12 brendan nicer on the eyes
22:12 brendan yeah I like the old Circulation.pm 223 lines vs. todays 2774
22:11 chris so a bit more code :)
22:10 brendan bottom bar says - Kumara - predecessor to Koha :) (brendan - get's the lazy award for the day)
22:10 chris first day live
22:10 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kumara.git;a=tree;h=26dc8ff53aea663d6c18ac820975b4144f6e98a1;hb=26dc8ff53aea663d6c18ac820975b4144f6e98a1
22:10 chris that was what koha was called before we named it, just my working name
22:10 brendan nevermind I can read
22:09 brendan what was kumara ?
22:09 chris on october 25th, 1999
22:09 chris 2 modules :)
22:09 chris http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kumara.git;a=tree;f=C4;h=9c63dccffd02486dcfd8840d8773b6081b2e96d3;hb=f0c67b9e1936eb7f0578adfb971fda820d0bb6dc
22:08 chris olwen did all that
22:08 chris which was pick
22:08 chris yeah it was trying to get the data out of the old system
22:08 Shiny oh well
22:08 Shiny gource is GPLed already.....
22:08 brendan well maybe september = specs :)
22:08 chris but by october 25th (first day of conference)
22:08 chris ahh dont have september
22:06 chris 10 years in 10 minutes, me and andrew c
22:06 brendan ah I didn't know git had stats pre-shift to git :)
22:06 chris we are using gource at the conference, no sneak preview
22:06 Shiny chris: gource will make that pretty
22:05 chris git knows all
22:05 chris lemme check
22:05 chris hmm by september 25?
22:05 Shiny we almost share a name
22:05 brendan hi Shiny
22:05 Shiny hello brendan
22:05 brendan 10 years ago - how much did you have built at this time?
22:05 Shiny i gotta fix that
22:05 Shiny :-) everytime brendan speaks my irc client wakes me up
22:05 chris brendan: yeah, it didnt involve a lot of sleep :)
22:04 chris its pretty factual, which is fairly amazing for any newspaper article :)
22:04 rhcl_rice this is the transit system I want: http://news.discovery.com/tech/a-pod-car-of-ones-own.html
22:04 brendan yeah that must have been a pretty crazy time from August 1999 - to Jan 3 2000
22:03 brendan heh pretty cool article
21:58 chris http://twitter.com/jransom/status/25393541659
21:56 brendan But that's totally cool to have a awesome transit system (wishing more cities in the US would do that)
21:56 brendan don't think so
21:56 chris about koha?
21:56 brendan where's the Koha grant google
21:56 chris did you see that newspaper article?
21:55 brendan "find ideas to change the world" Koha is changing the world
21:55 munin sekjal: The current temperature in Haydenville Center, Haydenville, Massachusetts is 27.9ï¿½C (5:56 PM EDT on September 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 11.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
21:55 * brendan wants to leave early and go ride my bike
21:54 sekjal @wunder 01060
21:54 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4167761/Google-backs-NZ-companys-monorail-idea
21:54 brendan not too shabby
21:54 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0ï¿½C (9:00 AM NZST on September 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
21:54 chris @wunder wellington nz
21:54 chris yeah that is pretty hot
21:54 brendan heya chris - did you see that temp - it's hot today
21:52 chris hi brendan
21:52 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.6ï¿½C (2:55 PM PDT on September 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Falling).
21:52 brendan @wunder 93117
21:51 nur cd /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools
21:43 nur then i apply this command
21:43 nur first i export perl library
21:42 chris you need to tell us a lot more information than that before we can be helpful
21:42 chris not working in what way
21:42 nur what can i do now ?
21:42 nur rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w -r is not working
21:39 nur thanks
21:38 chris apt-get install libgraphics-magick-perl
21:38 chris http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgraphics-magick-perl
21:38 nur how can i install Grapgic::Magic module in debian
21:37 nur how you everybody
21:02 * chris heads in to work, bbiab
20:57 cait hi #koha
20:40 sekjal not the whole time, but definitely some of it
20:39 sekjal its a partial work weekend
20:38 jcamins Good night, #koha
20:37 jcamins Good luck getting this figured out, sekjal (by the way, don't you usually finish at 4?).
20:37 jcamins Time to close up.
20:36 jcamins :(
20:36 chris yup
20:36 jcamins Also, only one copy in the entire system?
20:35 chris heh
20:35 jcamins Will no one think of the children?
20:34 jcamins One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish is lost?!?
20:34 chris its much more understandable results when its actually ranking, its very obvious why that book is first :)
20:33 chris http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Drank%2Cti%2Cwrdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish
20:33 chris vs
20:33 chris http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dti%2Cwrdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish
20:33 chris hehe
20:26 chris or rank,ti, etc
20:26 chris rank,kw,wrdl,rtrn=cool it
20:26 chris then see if it looks like
20:26 chris you might want to throw a warn in there too
20:26 chris just before returning it
20:26 chris yes
20:21 jcamins sekjal: is your IRC client Windows-based?
20:20 chris which is what they do here, i wonder what is different
20:20 chris weird, they should return the same thing
20:14 sekjal running just 'cool it' returns nothing
20:14 sekjal running the same search on modded yields the same results in teh same order
20:14 chris yup
20:13 chris yeah im on current HEAD too
20:13 jcamins It looks like the only stuff in between, though, is translation stuff.
20:13 chris right
20:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5046 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Zebra authorities template has the wrong locations
20:13 jcamins My last patch is robin's fix for bug 5046.
20:13 jcamins I'm a bit behind.
20:12 sekjal reimplementing mod...
20:12 sekjal and running that search on unmodded does work
20:11 sekjal chris: current HEAD
20:11 chris does that work?
20:11 chris (on your unmodified version)
20:11 chris ccl=rank,kw,wrdl,rtrn=cool it
20:11 chris and if you search on
20:10 chris interesting sekjal, what version of koha?
20:09 sekjal chris: adding that line breaks my search: where once there were results, now there are none
20:09 jcamins Looks to me like it works.
20:06 chris when you choose something else to sort by, that seems to work fine still too
20:06 chris it doesnt seem to cause any problems afaict, so if others can confirm ill send a patch
20:04 chris anyone else who wants to try too, id appreciate
20:04 chris ta
20:04 sekjal sure thing, chris. give me a sec to get my ducks aligned
20:03 chris $query = "rank,".$query;
20:03 fcapo Corrected my opac search results encoding problem by disabling pazpar2. Accented characters all working now.
20:02 chris before that line add
20:02 chris # Warnings if DEBUG
20:02 chris line 1326
20:02 chris can you test for me to sekjal
20:02 chris easy fix
20:02 chris sekjal: yeah, the fact we arent actually doing it :)
20:01 chris not me, gmcharlt is the poor^H^H^H^H lucky guy doing that
20:01 sekjal chris: very interesting. I'm been trying to figure out 'secret sauce' of the current relevancy ranking for a while now, and keep coming up dry. now it makes sense why
20:00 owen yeah but I'm not worried because I know you're going to whip it into shape chris
20:00 chris have i mentioned i hate C4::Search lately
20:00 chris in buildQuery
19:59 chris well, its basically that we just arent actually turning the relevance ranking on
19:56 jcamins I had always just assumed that it was a configuration on our end that sorted the results by bibnumber.
19:54 jcamins Very nice.
19:54 chris much nicer results
19:53 chris relevance ranking on
19:53 chris there we go
19:53 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=fish
19:53 owen ...he said casually.
19:53 chris so things will be changing
19:53 chris ok im modding search.pm
19:52 chris heh
19:52 jcamins Hm. Good point.
19:52 owen Yeah, but deleting instances after you clone is buggy, and chris wouldn't want that
19:51 jcamins owen: remember how you added better clone buttons to the cataloging module? It sounds like chris could use one. ;)
19:50 chris unfortunately i also have 3 libraries going live on monday and have to migrate their circ data today, then fly there tomorrow, so i may run out of time
19:49 chris i have to do some more tests then ill have a patch for that
19:49 chris so i think the answer to amy is, its not doing relevance ranking by default
19:49 jcamins Ooh!
19:49 chris now with relevance ranking actually turned on
19:48 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Drank%2Ckw%2Cwrdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish
19:48 chris thats our current search
19:48 jcamins It says "3.02 beta," but we've been using it in production for months, and it works great. :)
19:48 chris jcamins: http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl%3Dkw%2Cwrdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish
19:48 lgw_wrt i'll probably be back
19:48 lgw_wrt ok. i'll go remove it and retest. thanks
19:47 jcamins But you probably want to use Koha 3.2.
19:47 jcamins I believe so, yes, although it looks like they updated the site a little bit since I last checked (it used to say the very latest version was 3.0.3).
19:46 lgw_wrt so, this (http://downloads.ptfsinc.com/harley/koha-3.00.06.tar.gz) would be different from what's on koha-community? (that's not what i d/l'ed, but what's on the front page for downloads)
19:46 chris so check this out
19:45 jcamins chris: uh-oh. What?
19:45 chris ah ha!
19:45 jcamins So when you hear about a feature on the mailing list, usually it's in Koha, not Harley.
19:45 jcamins Everyone else. :)
19:45 lgw_wrt and koha-community?
19:44 jcamins koha.org is only LibLime.
19:44 lgw_wrt what is the difference?
19:44 jcamins The website for Koha is http://koha-community.org/ - unfortunately it's a little confusing.
19:43 jcamins lgw_wrt: no, you downloaded it from koha.org.
19:43 lgw_wrt harley was d/l'ed from the koha website. it's the newest version (not the community supported one yet).
19:42 jcamins I don't think there's anyone here who uses Harley.
19:42 jcamins lgw_wrt: I would suggest downloading Koha (Harley is a different product) from the Koha website at http://koha-community.org/ and trying that.
19:40 lgw_wrt can't get past the maintenance page on port 8080
19:40 lgw_wrt having trouble with a fresh installation of harley on a fedora 10 installation
19:36 fcapo bulkmarcimport.pl*, sorry
19:35 fcapo Seems like a character encoding problem, but I made sure that everything is in utf-8. I even converted my marc files in utf-8 xml before importing then with bulkmarcdump.pl
19:32 fcapo hello, I have a problem. When I do a search in the catalog from the staff interface, everything works perfectly, but when I try the same search in the opac, all the accented characters in the results are broken.
19:25 chris_n why do I think of rabbit every time I see mibbit?
19:18 owen Hi mib_xvh8o
18:03 CGI356 hello
17:46 jcamins Right. With irssi.
17:43 owen Depends on your client I guess jcamins
17:38 jcamins Apparently tab auto-completes only nicks that have recently said something.
17:38 druthb two wizzies may be too much awesomeness in one place.
17:37 wizzyrea_ I'm in your dreams.
17:37 wizzyrea_ >.>
17:37 jcamins Oh, I didn't realize there was a wizzyrea too.
17:36 wizzyrea_ lol
17:36 * druthb points at wizzyrea with one hand, and wizzyrea_ with the other. "There can be only one."
17:33 wizzyrea_ I"m on my laptiop :)
17:33 jcamins Why the underscore, by the way?
17:33 wizzyrea_ better connectivity now I hope
17:33 wizzyrea_ hi :)
17:33 jcamins wizzyrea_: welcome back!
17:27 CGI478 OK, I will try that release. Thank you!
17:27 reva I use the Koha virtual appliance Live CD from mizstik and it is the latest stable version 3.0.6. Kyle's is a little older.
17:26 CGI478 OK, thank you very much!
17:26 jcamins The LiveCD is much more up-to-date.
17:26 reva CG1478, write Kyle Hall, he is very good about responding. He will tell you the password, actually there should be a "red me" in the virtual appliance itself that tell you the password. Hope that helps.
17:26 jcamins http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
17:25 CGI478 no, I tried it
17:25 CGI478 aha. what is you recommendations?
17:25 jcamins kohaadmin:kohaadmin?
17:25 jcamins And I have no idea what the password would be.
17:25 jcamins That's newer, but still very old.
17:24 CGI478 no, I downloaded from that site: http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/
17:23 jcamins Because that is very old.
17:22 jcamins CGI478: is this the vm you downloaded? http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/928
17:21 jcamins By the way, the Koha website is http://koha-community.org/
17:21 CGI478 yes, please. I cannot finf any docs on that project page
17:20 jcamins I'd look in the documentation from whoever created the Virtual Machine.
17:20 jcamins In that case I have no idea.
17:19 CGI478 No, login incorrect
17:18 jcamins But I would guess it's kohaadmin:katikoan
17:17 jcamins_l CGI478: there should be some sort of documentation on the site you downloaded the Virtual Machine from.
17:17 CGI478 what is the username and password for koha?
17:16 CGI478 Hello, I downloaded KOHA for wmvare, but I cannot login
16:56 reva not attach the 700, 710, 711 fields to the title with the word "by".
16:56 jcamins Regardless, the thing to do is report a bug.
16:55 reva well jcamins: look at the scenario I have given. The display constant in the OPAC for Added Author Entries should say "Additional Authors".
16:54 jcamins Staff quite possibly don't know, for that matter.
16:54 jcamins Patrons probably don't know what "author added entry" means.
16:54 jcamins I don't know, I would tend to think that the OPAC behavior is the correct behavior, and the staff behavior is unnecessarily confusing.
16:53 reva ok, I will report it.
16:53 reva jcamins: that is what cait also said, meaning it was probably a bug.
16:53 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/
16:53 reva how do I report the bug jcamins:? Maybe it got addressed in 3.2 which is what we will be installing.
16:52 reva jcamins: To continue, this would not be bad except when a record has no Author Main Entry, but only an Author Added Entry (as happens when the a book contains essays by several authors , and an editor), in the OPAC Koha places it next to the title with the combining word "by".
16:51 jcamins If you think that's a bug, you should file a bug report.
16:50 jcamins reva: yes, that's what it does.
16:49 reva ok, anyone coming back from lunch can answer this for me?: When I have the Author Added Entry (700, 710, 711) in a record, the staff side display shows it as Additional Authors, but the OPAC shows just places it next to the Author Main Entry?
16:39 reva that is surprising, they left out a place in the US of A. Bye for lunch:)
16:39 * jwagner cheers! The food has arrived. I am heading off to deal with it appropriately.
16:39 rhcl_rice St. Joseph, MO, USA
16:38 reva and where do you live rhcl:?
16:38 reva Ok, thanks for the info on CSV rhcl:
16:38 rhcl reva: no, we don't have one here where I live either, and it would be most welcome
16:37 rhcl this conversation is getting too flakey, I'm off to scavenge for real-world food
16:37 reva It is the one place on earth where the Indians have not opened a restaurant:(
16:37 jwagner chris_n, you'd have to be nuts to try.
16:37 rhcl ah, ok
16:37 reva neither place, in Antigua and Barbuda.
16:36 chris_n getting out of a jam can be real sticky for someone who's already toast
16:36 reva Ok, from the land of curry and CWG gone awry.:(
16:36 rhcl reva: so where do you live? the US or India?
16:35 rhcl reva: no no. You have it down perfectly!
16:35 reva ok, well I am one of the outliers willing to be curried up when I return to the US to test the cataloging aspects of Koha. You guys have helped us so much here already (and will continue to also in the future), the least I could do.
16:35 jwagner So long as he's not in a jam.
16:35 wizzyrea_ he's certainly sweet, like cinnamon toast
16:35 chris_n burnt toast most likely
16:35 * jwagner just wishes the lunchtime food order would get delivered, so I can eat food instead of reading bad puns about it :-)
16:34 * jcamins thinks wizzyrea isn't fudging
16:34 chris_n HA!
16:34 jwagner Does that mean chris_n is toast???
16:33 * chris_n feels like he is dripping with butter :)
16:33 wizzyrea_ but also true >.>
16:33 wizzyrea_ oh chris_n, you're so smart, I could never be as smart as you. could anybody, really? (an example)
16:33 reva just as I thought wizzyrea: :)
16:32 wizzyrea_ "seek favor by fawning or flattery;"
16:32 reva rhcl: ok, to give away I am originally from Tamil Nadu, India from whose language the word curry was borrowed into English. I thought we learned the interpretation of the idiom in middle school. But what does the authorities say is the meaning?
16:32 jcamins Errr, pun. ;)
16:32 * jcamins toasts to rhcl's mastery of the food bun
16:27 rhcl reva had a very dicey rendition of "currying favors"
16:27 rhcl CSV is just a simple file format where values are separated by commas, which can be imported by nearly all spreadsheet programs. <I feel like I might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire here>
16:26 reva wait, I will find it from the Admin module.
16:25 reva Ok jcamins: I thought wizzyrea was telling me to change the spreadsheet program it points to from somewhere called CSV:).
16:25 owen rhcl: 2010
16:24 jcamins It can be read by any spreadsheet program.
16:24 jcamins Comma Separated Values.
16:23 reva Ok, got it wizzyrea. What is CSV? I remember the expression "currying favors" to mean butter them up to extract something from the party curried up. Is that correct?
16:23 rhcl <what was that movie?>
16:22 rhcl It's pie, wizzy, easy as pie
16:22 wizzyrea_ it'll work with any spreadsheet program
16:22 wizzyrea_ it's ez, it's just CSV
16:21 reva Hi again, when I install 3.2 on Debian, can I configure the Reports to some other speradsheet program such as Open Officee (because I will not have access to my windows OS and it is right now configured to use Excel in my 3.0.6)
16:21 wizzyrea_ I wonder how we go about currying favor with the outliers in the koha user community
16:20 chris_n that's slick as a banana peal rchl
16:19 rhcl but for chris, fixing the labels was a piece of pie.
16:19 * wizzyrea_ can't find any way to use "kumquat," is sad.
16:19 * chris_n munches contentedly on a literal apple :-)
16:18 wizzyrea_ it certainly doesn't need any pruning
16:18 * wizzyrea_ is figgling
16:18 jcamins That labels code is just the apple of your eye, isn't it?
16:18 rhcl those are all poor 'fig'ures of speech.
16:17 owen I'm glad you keep souping it up
16:17 chris_n don't want any lemons in the labels code
16:17 chris_n now I feel just peachy
16:16 wizzyrea_ but I am for improvements :)
16:16 chris_n ok
16:16 wizzyrea_ I haven't noticed or had any complaints about the wrapping
16:16 wizzyrea_ we only print labels for inside the book with titles/acqdate/barcode
16:16 chris_n we put the title of the book on our circ labels and had some problems, so I fixed up the wrap code a bit
16:15 chris_n ahh... you're not printing circ labels then?
16:15 wizzyrea_ only when we've got the font too big, and it's the only word on the line
16:15 wizzyrea_ call number splitting works like a peach
16:15 chris_n lines overrunning the right edge of the label
16:14 wizzyrea_ hm. In what context?
16:14 chris_n wizzyrea_: have you noticed any problems with text wrapping on labels?
16:14 owen Pleased as punch you might say
16:14 wizzyrea_ I will test them first thing next week, I"m out of the office today
16:14 wizzyrea_ I was so happy
16:14 owen she's a tough cookie, she can handle it
16:13 wizzyrea_ I saw!
16:13 jcamins wizzyrea_: just sad, or are you also a bit cheesed?
16:13 jwagner wizzyrea_, folks are just hamming it up as usual
16:13 wizzyrea_ about the patches to the labels?
16:13 chris_n I fixed your label bugs
16:13 chris_n did you get my message?
16:13 chris_n wizzyrea_: !!
16:12 wizzyrea_ :)
16:12 wizzyrea_ ... i'm sad that I'm missing this conversation
16:12 chris_n hot-dog, you bet I am
16:12 jcamins If you wanted, I'm sure one of us with it still in the scroll-back could copy them in to give you a taste. ;)
16:11 owen Orange you glad you read back chris_n ?
16:10 jwagner chris_n, logbot went missing in action, so you missed some of them. I'm sure you're heartbroken :-)
16:10 * chris_n observes all of the corn-y remarks in the back log
16:08 owen and wizzyrea_
16:08 owen Hi wizzyrea
16:02 jcamins I'd be too chicken to try.
15:57 jwagner nah. It's Friday. Brains don't work on Fridays....
15:56 owen Can we sandwich some useful conversation in with these bad puns?
15:56 jwagner rhcl is just trying to curry favor with jcamins :-)
15:55 jcamins :)
15:53 owen That really takes the cake
15:53 * jwagner pretends I didn't hear that....
15:53 rhcl We can "fudge" it to 30 minutes probably.
15:53 jwagner it's all jcamins's fault! The rest of us are INNOCENT, I say!!!
15:52 owen Can we talk about something else? Lunch is still an hour away!
15:51 rhcl sadly yes
15:51 * jwagner thinks this is a contradiction in terms
15:48 rhcl Somebody needs to invent sugar-free, fat-free, carb-free, calorie-free chocolate chip cookies that taste reallly really good.
15:46 jwagner Then we'd all have to change the channel from #koha to #weightwatchers
15:46 owen Man, if only I had as many real cookies as are offered in #koha
15:45 jwagner Mmmmmmmmmmm
15:45 * jcamins puts a bowl of cookies out in a very visible location to entice people out from under the table
15:45 * jwagner peers out from under the table. Is it safe yet?
15:45 jcamins I think I've scared everyone away. :(
15:41 munin jcamins: Your current monologue is at least 12 lines long.
15:41 jcamins @monologue
15:40 jcamins I'm just going to go ahead and disable auto-fill.
15:39 jcamins 490a has the same thing, and 440p has what looks like a publisher from 260b.
15:38 jcamins And 533f has something that looks like it came from a 245c.
15:37 jcamins My conclusion is that I should not use auto-complete, but it's really kind of weird.
15:36 jcamins 720a has something completely different.
15:36 jcamins Not 700c.
15:35 jcamins And 856n.
15:35 jcamins Wait, _every_ subfield c.
15:35 jcamins 810c.
15:34 jcamins (I'm checking to see if it changes anything else, too)
15:34 jcamins I've been entering "Near Eastern History" in 852a. Strangely, if I use the auto-complete, it puts "Near Eastern History" not just in that field, but also in 100c.
15:34 owen Can you elaborate jcamins ?
15:32 owen ?
15:32 jcamins Hm. Does anyone know what the Chrome auto-complete is doing in the cataloging module?
15:16 munin rhcl: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses
15:16 rhcl munin: Bug 3482
15:12 chris_n just a guess from google
15:12 chris_n but maybe mailman expects to see patches@koha-community.org
15:12 chris_n rather than patches@koha-community.org
15:12 chris_n we must use patches@lists.koha-community.org
15:12 chris_n hdl: possibly a mailman misconfiguration?
15:08 chris_n should I cc it to patches?
15:08 chris_n which means?
15:08 hdl here is the reason
15:08 hdl Message has implicit destination
15:06 chris_n I sent one about 12 mins ago
15:06 hdl chris_n: I released one this morning
15:06 * chris_n looks around for a "Get out of jail free" card
15:06 chris_n hdl: I've another mail to patches@... in the mail-jail
15:03 * owen reminds logbot that blackouts are a sign of alcoholism
15:02 owen You've been falling down on the job lately man
15:02 cait packing together - have a nice weekend everyone
15:02 cait ok, will arrive soon
14:54 cait reva: no way to get into my installations from here - wrong ip
14:54 cait hi chris_n - did I mis something?
14:53 chris_n :-)
14:53 * chris_n actually makes work available to the community *before* it is applied to his production system...
14:53 cait reva: I think you should write up what is wrong and file a bug report
14:51 reva ok, cait: I will wait for you to get in. But never mind about the Text to display in OPAC in the subfield edit, it only affects the expanded view label in OPAC. But the problem with it treating an Added Author (in the 700, 710 and 711) with a "by" after the Title (when there is no Main Entry) still is a problem.
14:48 ivanc hallo #koha
14:41 cait reva: sorry, I am on a train - not the best internet connection here
14:36 reva how does that situation work in 3.2?
14:35 reva Ok, I have a record and it does not have main entry, only a 710 (Corporate Author) entry. When I look at it in staff side, it says Additional Authors, but on the OPAC it puts it with the title combined with the word "by".
14:31 reva cait: when I went into the MARC structure subfield edit, there is a OPAC name display. I do not know what that is for because it is different from Authors which is what I see in OPAC (in fact it says for example for the 700, Personal Name in the subfield edit).
14:27 reva cait: hi, and thanks. How do I file the bug report? (May be it is alright in 3.2?)
14:26 cait reva: not in the configuration, file a bug report about the difference
14:24 reva is there any way to change the display constant for 700, 710 and 711 to Related Authors in the OPAC display constant? Right now it says Authors in the OPAC. but Related Authors in staff side.
14:15 cait hi #koha
14:11 reva I meant click the link for the deleted BIB record number shown in the log.
14:10 reva owen: thanks; I was not searching for them as a regular search; only clicking the bib no. shown in the log for the deleted item. (just to clarify.)
14:09 * owen has "manage deleted records/items feature" on his wish list
14:08 reva jcamins: understood: so a 404 error is for deleted bib records. So do the log entries stay on forever?:)
14:07 jcamins Once they have been deleted, they can't be displayed.
14:07 jcamins reva: Yes.
14:05 reva hi all, good morning; I am coming up with an error 404 when I try to look at an bib record from the log. Is that the normal way it displays deleted records?
13:28 jcamins Well, this serves to prove my claim that it's important that local changes should be incorporated into HEAD to avoid upgrade problems.
13:26 jcamins Yeah, I was thinking that.
13:26 * owen wonders if those heavily customized templates are part of the reason AUR hasn't upgraded
13:25 * jcamins pauses to think about that statement, and decides to ignore where it was made ;)
13:24 jcamins 7 years ago I thought I would become a computer scientist.
13:23 sekjal amazing how time works, sometimes
13:23 sekjal wow... librarianship wasn't even on my radar back then, let alone working with open source software
13:23 owen circa 2003
13:22 owen Yup. :)
13:22 sekjal yeah, the template is named 'npl', I see from the source code
13:22 owen It's based on a template I designed
13:22 jcamins Ah.
13:22 owen There isn't. I just recognize the advanced search page
13:21 jcamins How can you tell what version it is? I'm looking in the source, and I don't see any indication at all.
13:21 jcamins Well, I guess that explains why it looks so different!
13:21 jcamins Oh.
13:20 owen http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl
13:20 owen Oh wait, it isn't even a 3.x version. It's a 2.x version!
13:19 owen And when doing so removed the meta tag indicating their Koha version
13:18 jcamins Ah.
13:18 owen Looks like they've created their own template
13:18 jcamins Yeah, it's impressive.
13:18 owen jcamins: It certainly looks like a souped-up OPAC
13:12 jcamins Does AUR use a vendor fork of Koha?
06:46 magnus hi Amit & #koha
06:46 Amit heya magnus
05:30 wasabi Amit: is there a free version of the ebook planned?
05:05 darling anyway, beers
05:05 darling I just read the liblime foundation proposal -- is it just me or is that not insanely ballsy to claim they're the centre of the universe and deserve a large permanent slice?
05:03 Amit https://www.packtpub.com/koha-3-library-management-system/book
05:02 darling beers
05:02 darling jo, hey, chris and robin are downstairs w/the beera
05:02 Amit heya jo
04:55 jo Big article in NZ herald today on Koha pg 18.
04:54 jo Chris:
02:54 Amit heya chris
02:11 jcamins We catalogers really don't appreciate how staggeringly complex and byzantine MARC is.
02:09 chris heh
02:09 jcamins "Yes, exactly right. Except we also need to note the series. In two places. Oh, did I mention that we need a genre heading? Make sure your 008 is all filled in..."
02:08 jcamins Yesterday I was training one of my interns on cataloging.
02:07 chris :)
02:07 chris HURT maybe
02:07 jcamins That is rather apt, isn't it?
02:07 chris true
02:07 jcamins ...
02:07 chris :)
02:07 jcamins HURC, actually. ;)
02:06 chris yup hence its MARC not HARC
02:06 jcamins I think it was thd.
02:06 jcamins Well, according to thd, the original plan was that no one would work directly with MARC.
02:05 * richard wonders if anyone really needs to know MARC or if they just have to know it
02:05 chris *nod*
02:04 jcamins Plus, not all my interns know MARC, and not all my interns should need to know MARC.
02:04 chris we should be able to hide all the gory stuff from them
02:04 chris exactly
02:03 jcamins Yeah, I think it may be a requirement for me- clients should be able to catalog their own books if they so desire.
02:02 chris id love to have it back
02:02 chris we had simple, and non simple
02:02 jcamins I will write RFCs when I'm coherent, but the current template system scares me. ;)
02:02 chris we used to have a marc free interface up until 2.2.x
01:59 jcamins Yeah, I was just looking at that.
01:59 chris http://template-toolkit.org/
01:59 chris if you wanna get a jump on it
01:59 chris :)
01:58 jcamins Good.
01:58 robin yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees is the long answer.
01:58 robin because if so: yes is the short answer.
01:58 jcamins Right, sorry.
01:58 robin jcamins: do you mean the HTML template change for 3.4?
01:57 jcamins_a Is the new templating system easier to work with?
00:46 wasabi yep, all good
00:46 jo it may appeal to some though, and thats cool. At least we have something from them to discuss.
00:45 wasabi so they shoot that option in the foot, right there...
00:45 wasabi oh well, they make the 'approach they favour' really unattractive to participants
00:42 jo would love to know they paid for that tiny wee domain name that - and who would have thought it be perceived to have sooo much negotiating value
00:41 jo Its good we know their terms now though.
00:41 wasabi 40%, so funny
00:41 jo :)
00:40 wasabi ... remind me not to vote for that one during the meeting :)
00:40 wasabi lol, PTFS fail...