Time  Nick       Message
00:31 Genji      Hiya all!
00:33 Genji      How do i do: if session param libraries_set not set, goto opac-chooselibraries.pl else goto opac-main.pl, upon login?
00:49 wasabi     a redirect
00:50 wasabi     Genji:  http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=edithelp.pl;h=d1975ba6707c9b61910a3da4de38546222d2caff;hb=HEAD#l86
01:40 wasabi     Genji:  http://search.cpan.org/dist/CGI.pm/lib/CGI.pm#GENERATING_A_REDIRECTION_HEADER
02:08 schuster   chris - sorry to bother you but do you happen to have a copy of the schedule from KohaCon09?  Due to some company things and shared google docs and a wiki move
02:09 schuster   all of those links are gone.
02:09 ryanb006   Hi, I've just migrated my library to Koha 3.00.06, and it's working great except patrons can't place holds on any materials in the OPAC. When they try to place a hold, it says "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold." and under the "place hold on a specific copy" it says "Unavailable (lost or missing)". None of our items are marked missing, and RequestOnOpac is turned on. Any idea what is going on?
02:10 schuster   Just checking to see if it existed anywhere else!
02:10 robin      ryanb006: check to ensure you have circulation rules that let them place a number of holds greater than zero.
02:11 schuster   ryanb006 - check an item out and see if you can place a hold on it.
02:11 schuster   do you want them to be able to place holds if the item is on the shelf?
02:11 ryanb006   Robin: I will check that. Schuster: I tried both an item on the shelf and and item checked out, and neither one works. Both say "lost or missing".
02:14 schuster   hmmm did you have anything in the subfield one of each of the 952 fields when you loaded it?
02:14 schuster   You may want to edit an item record and see what is in the subfield 1 - if it is blank then all should be working.  If there is something selected there...  that is why you are getting that error.
02:15 ryanb006   Ok, I'll check one of the items.
02:16 schuster   best I could do sorry.
02:16 ryanb006   Subfield 1 is blank...so not marked lost...
02:19 ryanb006   Robin: Where do I check that the holds allowed is > 0?
02:20 robin      ryanb006: in koha 3.2, it's Admin->Item circulation and fines rules
02:20 robin      but that may have changed since 3.0, I'm not sure.
02:24 ryanb006   Ok, I see at the bottom of that screen a section about holds, but it is just no holds allowed, allowed from any library, or allowed from home library for particular item types. I can't get it to set for "any item type".
02:24 ryanb006   I mean "all item types"
02:24 robin      not sure, I guess that's all changed since 3.0
02:25 chris      schuster: http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/conferenceprogram.html
02:25 ryanb006   Ok, thanks robin and schuster! I'm going to leave it alone for the night and get a fresh look at it tomorrow. Thanks again!
02:26 chris      something useful to do, would be to shift that to the new wiki, we were in the process when someone turned the old one off
02:27 chris      did you see that schuster ?
02:33 schuster   OK yes I did you are awesome as always thanks.
02:34 schuster   Sorry to missing coming to NZ...  Just couldn't swing that on my own and my wife would have hung me out to dry with the 2 boys during school...  one is playing soccer and the other football and we are going non stop almost every night.
02:35 chris      yeah, wont be long til im doing the same :)
02:36 schuster   Are you all going to try and do something like this: http://www.coveritlive.com - for KohaCon10?
02:36 schuster   I think Liz put it together on the fly for KohaCon09 - and I didn't even know it was there!
02:37 chris      yeah im thinking that or this
02:37 chris      http://tweetnest.bigballofwax.co.nz/
02:37 chris      but for #kohacon10 instead of just following me
02:37 schuster   it is fun...  Especially if your kids are any good at it and luckily my kids come by it naturally with no help from me...  your kids will be at an advantage as you understand the rules and would probably be able to teach them something!
02:37 chris      the nice thing is it archives it all away for ever too
02:39 robin      You don't mean having one of those displays running behind the presenters, do you? They're a terrible idea.
02:39 chris      no
02:39 chris      we didnt do that
02:39 robin      oh good :)
02:39 schuster   Cool - as long as Liz can put links to the conference up so people can get to it easily on koha-community.org.
02:39 chris      but coveritlive allows ppl not there
02:39 chris      to at least get a nice feel for whats going on
02:40 schuster   We did put it up during the breaks though on the first day so people knew it was there and could follow it.  the venue we had was awsome for this type of stuff.
02:40 schuster   Not that I'm biased or anything to a facility we have here in Plano... ;)
02:41 robin      Just so long as it works with identi.ca, otherwise it doesn't count :)
02:41 chris      yeah it should
02:41 chris      http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=4340084075&width=470&height=550
02:41 schuster   KUDOS is kicking around the idea of a spring meeting in the US..  NOT a KohaCon but a KUDOS conference, but we would welcome international presentations etc.. if we can get it going...
02:42 chris      cool, let me know
02:42 schuster   Will do - we are thinking early May but are still trying to get our ducks in a row organizationally.
02:44 chris      cool
02:44 chris      someone needs to pitch for kohacon11
02:44 schuster   OK I have to grade some graduate student papers tonight so better get busy.  I knew you would be on now so thought I would ask for your help which you are always so gratious to provide with the right answers!
02:44 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2011_Proposals
02:45 chris      if you can shouldertap anyone
02:46 schuster   Well - maybe we push KUDOS and KohaCon11 together...  The annual thing for international is hard unless we can do some things and have decent internet at a hotel/conference center and use is 10-7 one day and 8-5 another or something and do more video conference type stuff.
02:47 schuster   We had talked about doing a virtual conference here in the fall, but we just couldn't get that together with what we are trying to do with KUDOS.
02:47 chris      yeah virtual is expensive
02:47 chris      maybe one kohacon in europe then back the us the year after
02:47 chris      give everyone a turn
02:48 schuster   Well not really if you have the right tools at your disposal and the institutions behind it....
02:48 chris      since magnus and paul, and slef and cait etc are flying this far this time round
02:48 chris      schuster: here it is, just because of hte bandwidth required
02:48 schuster   Yeah Europe would be great if KohaLA would be able to step up...
02:48 chris      you can get that cheap
02:48 chris      here, its stupid expensive for international bandwidth
02:49 schuster   Ah...  See here I don't think international - we just use it, but...  I don't deal much with international stuff...  Once it leaves Plano ISD I don't understand what happens!
02:49 schuster   But as you know our pipe is BIG...
02:50 schuster   thanks for the chat...  Off to grade those Graduate papers - wanna be librarians!
02:51 chris      :)
03:26 Amit       heya chris
03:26 chris      hiya Amit
06:45 kf         good morning #koha
07:18 yourasifk  Salam to all
07:19 yourasifk  hope some one can solve my problem
07:19 yourasifk  im trying to import serials record with holding inoformation
07:20 yourasifk  bib data is imported but the holding doesn't can any body help me in this regard
07:20 ivanc      hi #koha
07:51 kmkale     hi all
07:52 hdl        hi kmkale
07:52 kmkale     hi hdl
10:34 Amit       hi kmkale
10:34 kmkale     hi Amit
12:37 owen       Hello #koha
12:39 jwagner    Hi owen
12:42 ivanc      hi owen
12:44 kf         hi owen, jwagner and druthb .. and everybody else .)
12:51 Nate       Hi Owen and kf
12:51 Nate       and jwagner and ivanc
12:51 Nate       and everyone else :)
12:52 kf         :)
13:01 ivanc      hi Nate, kf
13:26 CGI632     hi everyone
14:10 CGI811     hi
14:13 cabillman  Hello, is anyone aware of any open bugs regarding the 520 fields not showing up in the description section of opac-detail.pl? It only happens on some items.
14:13 cabillman  for 3.0 .x
14:14 owen       cabillman: Is your catalog online for us to see examples?
14:15 cabillman  yes, but I think I have a patch that fixed the problem
14:16 owen       That was fast :)
14:16 cabillman  I wish :) I have been looking at it for a few hours
14:17 cabillman  I think I have the original file, let me check quick
14:19 cabillman  https://library.pennmanor.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail-orig.pl?biblionumber=103230
14:19 cabillman  that one is broken
14:19 cabillman  https://library.pennmanor.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=103230
14:19 cabillman  is patched
14:20 * owen     recognizes those tabs :)
14:20 cabillman  I hope you don't mind that I used them
14:20 owen       Not at all!
14:21 owen       cabillman what do you mean by "patched?"
14:22 cabillman  it just has the changes i made to opac-detail.pl
14:23 owen       Oh I see, you swapped the file out. I thought you were showing me two simultaneous examples.
14:23 mirbolt    hi there, can anyone tell me roughly what the min sys requirements are for a koha installation on debian lenny for a collection of about 100,000 bib records?
14:23 owen       cabillman: If you think this is a consistent bug (one that affects all 3.0.x users), you can file a bug, create a patch for your changes, and attach your patch to the bug report
14:23 cabillman  nope.  Same biblio but one is the stock 3.0 opac-detail.pl
14:24 owen       http://bugs.koha-community.org
14:24 cabillman  Should i email koha-patches as well?
14:25 owen       Yes you can do that too
14:26 cabillman  Sounds like a plan. I'm not exactly sure why this patch changes the behavior though
14:27 cabillman  instead of doing template->param( normalized_oclc         => GetNormalizedOCLCNumber($record,$marcflavour) )
14:27 cabillman  i save the result in a variable first
14:27 cabillman  and pass that to the template
14:28 owen       As far as I can remember normalized_oclc is only used by Syndetics enhanced content
14:30 cabillman  I had to change both the call to normalizedOCLCN and normalized upc
14:32 cabillman  I also can't figure out how to duplicate it. It only seems to be some of our biblios but I can't find a consistent pattern.
14:33 cabillman  I will open the bug and attach the patch explaining everything
14:34 cabillman  Thanks for your help
14:34 owen       cabillman: For what it's worth, if I grab that record via z39.50 in my 3.0.6 test installation I see the same problem: no description
14:41 owen       mirbolt: You could check out this thread from the koha-devel archive: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-March/009306.html
14:52 reva       hi all, good morning. I have a question as to which tar.gz of the Koha 3.2 I should download from the community download page?
14:53 owen       koha-3.02.00-beta.tar.gz if you want the beta release of 3.2
14:54 joetho     good morning,
14:54 owen       Hi joetho
14:55 joetho     anybody in here have any experience migrating the ILS "Concourse" (vendor=Book Systems) into Koha?
14:55 reva       thanks owen: but I find 4 choices under the Beta. (ex: there is gz.sig; and gz.md.asc.) Which one?
14:55 owen       reva: The one I said
14:58 reva       owen: so I just download the plain tar.gz from the beta 3.2; just confirming my understanding of what you said.
14:58 reva       ok. got it.
14:58 owen       http://download.koha-community.org/koha-3.02.00-beta.tar.gz
15:00 reva       Thanks owen: I have downloaded the Debian (http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso); I hope that is the only one I need as there were quite a few Cds in Utexas mirror. How about the Apache HTTP server; which version?
15:01 owen       reva have you looked at this? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=e90942b833bef28f6d62ca4d7b6782de8d3c59d7;hb=HEAD
15:03 reva       I am not sure owen: Because I had the idea to install the 3.2 when we go into production only recently; the Live CD 3.0.6 has been a serious contender. But now I will go through the page you just gave.
15:04 owen       reva: That document is intended to be a start-to-finish guide. You'll probably find things you need to ask questions about, but it will give you most of what you need
15:04 reva       Yea; jacamins gave me the page just day before yesterday. So I will read through that first before asking questions.
15:30 reva       owen: do I have to install Debian from the business card version CD? Or can I download a full CD iso, burn it on a CD and install it? (we do have pretty stable connection, but frequently there is a lot of congestion.)
15:31 owen       I think either one is fine
15:32 reva       Ok, because I was the eager beaver and started downloading the regular CD image. Thanks.
15:38 larsw      reva, either Debian ISO image is fine; in fact, the smaller images (business card and netinst) are usually recommended, so you don't have to install a lot of stuff you won't need: the full ISO image probalby has a lot of packages you won't be installing, especially on a server
15:38 kf         travelling tomorrow - have a nice weekend all :)
15:38 larsw      however, the full CD and DVD images are good for people to get if they are bandwidth-starved and can get them without using the scarce bandwidth (e.g., via snailmail)
15:56 reva       larsw: thanks. We are on a peer-group network, so no server. And we will be using one of the workstations as the "admin" console. Debian/Koha will be residing as a "dual boot", along with the windows XP OS on the machine. So questions: the other workstations are windows Xp. How would I give them access to Koha?
15:58 reva       What I mean larsw: is we will be either booting into XP or Debian/Koha. In such a situation, how would I give access to staff client on another workstation which is running XP?
15:59 ivanc      see you #koha
16:16 owen       reva: Others won't be able to access Koha if the server isn't running
16:17 owen       The server won't be running if you're booted into Windows
16:25 reva       owen: so basically, if I have the Koha running on my 'admin" console (which acts as my server), others would be able to access the staff client or OPAC on their workstations. But if I am running my XP on the console, the other workstations will not have access to Koha. Understood. The other workstations are running XP, but would not be an issue?
16:28 * owen     grumbles about his flaky internet this week
16:29 reva       owen: If the answer to my first question is "yes they can use it even if they are on a station running XP", I have a further question: Our admin workstation has: 2.53 Ghz processor and 1.98 RAM; would I be taxing if there are two simultaneous staff client users on two workstations?
16:30 reva       I meant if the answer to my LAST question, not first, of course, owen:
16:31 owen       I don't think it would be too taxing but I'm not an expert. Two users is a very small number!
16:33 reva       Ok, so I assume that it does not matter the my peer-group LAN stations are running XP, I take it only the machine in which Koha is installed it has to be running Debian?
16:35 owen       Yes, but you'll have to be sure to configure your Debian machine to accept connections from your other machines
16:39 reva       Ok, I will configure enable Debian to accept network clients. Though I am too far away from that yet.:0
16:47 reva       also, what would be an ideal partition size for the Debian? We will be creating maybe a 1000-1500 records, so I know our catalog part of it is going to be rather small. Though we do not have too much free room on our C drive currently, we  can add to make room for Debian/Koha
17:33 reva       Hi again, I have a record which only has a 245 (Title proper) and an author added entry (710 corporate author) in it. But it is showing as if it is the main author. It shows like this: Establishment and management of a national standards body. by International Organization for Standardization . Why is it not showing as related author lable?
17:53 chris_n    wizzyrea: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=commit;h=b8d5a69e4e145f6684507b62267759f1ea465e80
18:20 chris_n    @later tell hdl my mails to patches@... seem to be landing in jail lately; could you look in on the problem? tnx
18:20 munin      chris_n: The operation succeeded.
19:05 chris      and so i begins
19:06 chris      s/i/it/
19:07 cait       chris: what begins?
19:08 chris_n    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Forming_a_Koha_Foundation#United_States
19:08 owen       "[Liblime] would expect permanent representation on its board of directors. Initially, LibLime would request 40 percent of the positions in the board of directors"
19:09 chris_n    yes, that would present a problem if all major contributors required a permanent, 20% share of board positions
19:09 * chris_n  thinks the board would be an ever-growing monstrosity
19:10 brendan    board--
19:10 chris      monsters--
19:10 * chris    lightens the tone
19:10 brendan    well monsters are cool sometime (but that's only in books and movies)
19:10 chris_n    unbridled_government--
19:11 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Reasons_Not_To_Form_One
19:11 chris      you know, slef said that self selecting permanent things were a reason why foundations are bad
19:11 chris      i should listen to him more
19:12 owen       Imagine if the original Liblime had gotten permanent representation on a Koha board?
19:12 chris      please feel free to add to the reasons not to form one, if you have any
19:12 chris      well the thing to remember, so we dont get too upset
19:12 chris      is that no one has to listen to the board anyway
19:13 chris      certainly any board that has permanent rep for anyone, im not interested in
19:13 * owen     thinks we should all add our of proviso's demanding permanent representation on the board owing to our significant contributions
19:13 chris      the gpl2+ allows us to just do our own thing anyway
19:14 chris      i mean we have to buyin before it has any say.. and at any time we can opt out
19:14 chris      but i do think it is sending a clear signal
19:14 chris      of intentions, and thats good
19:15 chris      i read it as an intention to replace the existing roles, with board elected ones, and wrest control of the project from the community
19:16 chris      and anything that is going to be involved in 'managing' rather than just a place to store stuff safely does not interest me at all
19:17 chris      </rant>
19:17 chris      and putting on my vendor hat
19:18 chris      any vendor not represented by the board has a huge disadvantage
19:18 chris      so we need permanent spots for all 28
19:18 chris      </vendor_hat_off>
19:18 chris      and thats ridiculous :)
19:19 owen       And new permanent spots for all new vendors!
19:19 jcamins    As a kind-of-Koha-vendor, I would share the concerns of your vendor hat. ;)
19:19 chris      i really think its trying to solve a problem that doesnt exist
19:19 chris_n    imaginary_problems--
19:19 chris      the problem that exists, is that one company has property that the community sees as shared property
19:20 chris_n    there are enough real ones to contend with
19:20 chris      thats easily solved
19:20 jcamins    As someone who values his sanity, I would prefer not to have an active foundation. Boards cause headaches.
19:20 chris      jcamins++
19:20 cait       and what about contributing libraries?
19:21 chris      they dont count cait
19:21 jcamins    (with all due respect to the HLT board... I think they must all be Saints)
19:21 chris      no intellectual property dont you know
19:21 cait       chris: I don't hink we need an foundation
19:22 chris      if you just buy something, that gives you eminently more say than the people who thought it up, and specced it, and paid for it
19:22 * chris    is being sarcastic
19:22 cait       why are some people so eager to have one? can't we just act as a democracy like we do in meetings?
19:22 chris      exactly
19:22 chris      im with you
19:22 chris      i would just like a place to put things, like the tm and domain name
19:23 jcamins    Also, just so no one says they weren't warned, executive secretaries and executive directors are expensive!
19:23 cait       we are not so many people that this is over complicated, perhaps sometimes make votes on the mailing lists or like we did when we voted for hlt
19:23 chris      so we dont have to worry about them, and then just get on with workng on koha,
19:23 chris      usually we come to consensus fairly easily
19:24 chris      the license being an exception :)
19:24 chris      but on the things that matter, what goes in a release, who is release manager, etc
19:24 chris      we work those things out without a board telling us
19:25 chris      sorry, im talking to much
19:25 * chris    stops
19:25 jcamins    Did we ever get an explanation of why LL thinks there should be a foundation?
19:26 cait       not really, I think some people talked about getting funds for things?
19:26 owen       It's their condition for donating the Koha trademark
19:26 owen       (and koha.org, etc.)
19:26 cait       but can't you get funds with a local user group like kudos perhaps too? without 'governing' the project?
19:26 chris      yeah
19:27 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Reasons_Not_To_Form_One
19:27 chris      point 5
19:27 chris      KUDOS could get money for US libraries
19:27 chris      Kohala for french
19:28 schuster   someone - don't remember who - talked about having a foundation so that part of its function would be to pay an independent RM for the project and that would be their full time job.
19:29 chris      pooling donations to pay for that would be good, could still do that with spi of softwarefreedomconservancy
19:29 chris      dont need an active foundation, with any say in who that rm is
19:29 cait       to make him independent everybody should have the same vote in this foundation
19:29 chris_n    good point chris
19:29 cait       which makes it difficult I think
19:30 chris      all you need for that is a bank account really
19:30 chris      which is what sofware in the public interest etc get you
19:31 * chris    simplifies
19:31 chris_n    probably some sort of escrow account
19:31 jcamins    Well, in the US you also need a tax ID.
19:31 chris      gets you that too :)
19:31 chris_n    spi is in the us
19:31 chris      its a nice idea
19:31 chris      i dont think we wll have the money to do it in the near future
19:31 jcamins    I started typing in response to "all you need for that is a bank account really." ;)
19:31 * chris_n  agrees that a paid rm might help
19:32 chris_n    wonderful thing... irc
19:32 chris      fwiw im being paid to be RM
19:32 chris_n    everybody can talk at once and be understood... most of the time anyway ;-)
19:32 chris      parttime at least
19:32 owen       What we have are "sponsored" RMs, and I'm not sure we could do it any other way
19:33 owen       Is someone supposed to be paid to be RM full time? Who gives up their regular job for it unless it's permanent?
19:33 chris      the nice thing about the way dev works
19:33 chris      is everyone can see
19:34 cait       owen: good point
19:35 chris      theres no hiding decisons
19:35 chris      what goes in, is totally transparent
19:35 chris      and thats why im still here
19:36 chris      3933 days, 2:45:22 later
19:36 * chris    <3 gitstats
19:36 * jcamins  was kind of wondering about the precision
19:36 jcamins    :)
19:36 chris      time of the first commit, to my last commit
19:38 * chris    gets sucked into reading stats again
19:38 owen       2453 days, 23:27:55!
19:39 chris      hehe
19:40 chris      2003-10-31  thats a while agon now
19:40 owen       Took me a minute to count the scratch marks on the side of my wall
19:41 cait       2453 days?
19:41 chris      300 days, 22:21:51
19:42 chris      for you cait
19:42 chris      http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html
19:42 cait       what did I do on these 300 days?
19:42 cait       and is this an anniversary? :)
19:42 chris      thats the time between your first commit and the latest commit of yours in master
19:42 chris      active days, 15
19:42 cait       ah
19:43 chris      so you made a commit on 15 different days
19:43 chris      and 22 in total (that have been pushed theres about 10 more to go)
19:43 cait       ohloh knows about 22 commits...
19:43 cait       hm only 10? :)
19:44 chris      ohloh tracks master
19:44 * chris    was guessing about 10
19:44 cait       I know, I think one is missing, because I send it as "root"
19:44 cait       ok, 12 waiting and more to come :)
19:45 chris_n    980 days, 3:01:46
19:45 * chris_n  feels young still
19:46 owen       munin should wish us all happy anniversaries on the anniversaries of our first commits
19:46 munin      owen: Error: "should" is not a valid command.
19:46 cait       300 is a nice number
19:46 cait       could be more patches...
19:47 cait       I really have to find someone to do these organisational things for me... so I find finally some time to write patches
19:47 * cait     grumbles a bit
19:47 * collum   wants 1.29% of the seats on the board of directors. :) And needs to stop doing home repairs and start sending more patches to koha.
19:48 jcamins    2:16:24!
19:48 jcamins    :D
19:50 chris      heh
19:50 chris      ok bus time
19:50 chris      bb from on the bus, 3g permitting
19:51 * chris_n  thinks the board percentages ought to be based on first on good standing and second on % of commits... ;-)
19:52 cait       the more I think about a fair way .to build a board, the more I think the foundation thing is not a good idea
19:52 jcamins    chris_n: the problem with that is then paul_p, chris, owen, gmcharlt, and hdl wouldn't have any time to spend on Koha.
19:53 chris_n    lol
19:53 owen       We'd be too busy ruling with iron fists
19:53 gmcharlt   *thud*
19:53 * chris_n  can hear the whip cracking now
19:53 chris_n    work code mules, work!!
19:54 owen       Cheese it it's gmcharlt !
19:54 * owen     looks busy
19:54 chris_n    bye alan
19:54 * gmcharlt uses his awesome power to will the 'wthdrawn' typo directly out of existence
19:55 cait       lol
19:55 owen       It's not a typo, it's time-saving efficiency!
19:55 jcamins    Gee, my board memberships only give me the power to produce paperwork.
19:55 jcamins    I'm jealous. ;)
19:55 chris_n    and endure boring meetings
19:56 chris_n    hence the name 'board'
19:56 jcamins    Okay, I'm jealous of chris_n, too... my board memberships don't come with the power to endure the meetings they require, either.
19:56 cait       46443 lines added - yay :)
19:56 chris_n    or is that describing the thickness of such members?
19:57 chris      Heh
19:58 rhcl       chanting...SPI~~~SPI~~~SPI~~~SPI~~~
19:59 chris      I wonder if anyone is gonna comment. I don't think ill bother
20:00 jcamins    I'm thinking about asking that LibLime clarify their stance on *why* this is necessary.
20:00 owen       It really is galling that their intellectual property is worth more than all our years of work.
20:00 reva       Good afternoon, was wondering should I set the type of control (Leader/09) to MARC-8 or UCS/Univode? Thanks.
20:00 owen       jcamins: Because it's the only conditions under which they'll release the Koha trademark and koha.org domain to a third party
20:01 chris      Unicode reva
20:01 owen       Those are actions we've asked them to take jcamins
20:01 owen       jcamins: So they're saying, "Okay, if you want 'em here's what you have to do."
20:02 reva       Thanks owen: I thought as much because who uses 8 bit coding anymore?
20:03 chris      I think the answer is in nz speak 'yeah .... naw'
20:03 zico       hi
20:03 zico       I am having a weird problem with PO file
20:04 zico       I am trying to enable Arabic font in my Staff
20:04 chris      http://www.urbandictionary.com/iphone/#define?term=yeah%20nah
20:05 zico       I am downloading the PO file from http://translate.koha.org/ar/intranet3_0/
20:05 zico       but.. when I go to add that PO file in my system
20:05 zico       it shows me the error that ... "CORRUPTED PO FILE or not even PO file"
20:05 zico       what`s wrong?
20:06 chris      Its probably corrupt
20:06 chris      Someone might have uploaded a corrupt version
20:06 chris      Ill try to have a look when I get to work
20:07 zico       As it mentioned there... you have already "chris" reviewed that! :)
20:07 chris      Some ppl edit with text editors and aren't careful
20:07 chris      Yeah I removed spam from it
20:08 chris      But haven't tested it
20:08 zico       is it possible to get the correct PO arabic file by tomorrow?
20:08 chris      It doesn't log if someone uploads a new one
20:08 zico       I have a big workshop in which I have to show demonestration on Koha
20:08 chris      Only if someone edits it in the web interface
20:08 chris      Look in git
20:09 chris      In the 3.0.x branch
20:09 reva       owen: Is it automatically set to the code "a" for unicode, because though there is a drop down choice and it "seems" like MARC-8 is selected, it shows "a" for Unicode in the Leader?
20:10 owen       reva: No idea.
20:11 zico       owen: what`s the address please?
20:11 owen       Why is everyone talking to me?
20:11 reva       Ok, anyone else? Just curious; because it always shows "a" for Unicode, why there is a drop down for it in the Leader Builder?
20:12 reva       Ok owen: I said anyone else?:)
20:12 chris      Do my messages show up as owen or something?
20:12 zico       chris: sorry owen... it would be chris
20:13 zico       chris: what is the address please?
20:13 chris      I'm on my phone too hard to look
20:13 chris      But look in the git repo
20:13 owen       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.0.x
20:14 chris      Thanks owen
20:14 zico       Thanks owen
20:14 owen       That's it for me. See y'all later
20:26 richard    hi
20:27 chris      Hi richard
20:27 richard    heya chris
20:28 * chris    gives richard 20%
20:28 richard    heh
20:28 * cait     tries to bribe the board members with cookies
20:28 zico       nah! I have downloaded PO file from git too
20:28 zico       but.. it`s not working
20:29 zico       I have downloaded from http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/translator/po;hb=9c68c22a0b108e04b2362769655ecbfeb33a22dc
20:29 jcamins    cait: you mean I have to choose between wanting cookies and not wanting to be on another board?
20:30 cait       hm you are right
20:30 cait       better bribe everyone with cookies, just for the case they will get on the board at some time
20:30 jcamins    :D
20:31 chris      how are you trying to install it?
20:32 chris      Ok my stop
20:32 chris      Bbl
20:35 sekjal     goodnight, #koha!
20:41 jcamins    Good night, #koha
20:42 zico       chris: my command is this
20:42 zico       ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/ar-Arab/ -o /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/ar-Arab/ -s /home/mohib/Desktop/misc_translator_po_ar-Arab-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po -r
20:54 cait       zico: which version of koha?
20:55 zico       cait: 3.0.6
20:56 cait       ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en -o   /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE -s /home/koha/po/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po -r
20:57 cait       thats what I use
21:13 chris      yes
21:13 chris      http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
21:13 chris      i would talk to this guy and ask how he does it
21:18 zico       chris: that will be great! Otherwise I have to install Koha each and every 30 machines in Workshop lab
21:20 cait       good night all!
21:20 zico       chris: if you know by tomorrow... can you let me know over email? my email address is: mailzico@gmail.com
21:20 zico       it will be really helpful for whole workshop where more than 60 participants will come from all over the country of Bangladesh
21:23 chris      zico: you should ask him
21:23 chris      email him
21:23 chris      because i have a go live on monday, so will be pretty busy myself
21:23 zico       chris: I have been searching for his email address... but... cannot find it there in his blog
21:23 zico       :( :(
21:27 chris      http://twitter.com/Mizstik
21:27 chris      maybe send a message on twitter
21:37 jo         Hi all
21:38 jo         Good to read PTFS laying their cards on the table about whats required if they are to give the domain name back.
21:38 chris      yeah its nice that its all out in the open
21:38 jo         we now know exactly what the price is and can decide accordingly.
21:38 jo         I respect that honesty.
21:39 chris      *nod*
21:40 jo         so if PTFS get 40% of seats for buying the domain url how many should HLT claim for starting this all off, and naming it etc etc
21:40 jo         jo must go away now before i start getting bitchy ...
21:41 chris      :)
21:45 rhcl       well, I think the math works out to 60%, right?  :)
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23:26 russ       hey jo - just got your phone message, yes i want you to do that :-)
23:26 russ       sorry was in a meeting
23:56 jo         np
23:56 jo         just mking sure left hand and right stay in sync :)