Time Nick Message
23:27 chris making stuff actually useful for borrowers++
23:27 chris yeah
23:26 chris_n you can pretty much eliminate a book from the potential list of resources by reviewing its TOC
23:25 chris_n especially for folks doing research... it saves many steps to the stacks
23:24 chris heh nice
22:59 * chris_n loves his catalogers for entering full TOC material into every bib in the system
22:17 chris hi LBA
20:53 jcamins I've never seen those.
20:52 wizzyrea because that I would have an interest in :P
20:52 wizzyrea like "does koha interface in a useful way with these totally nifty automated machines that select magazines out of a rack for you?"
20:52 * jcamins is also completely at a loss as to what the question means
20:52 wizzyrea oh well.
20:51 wizzyrea I was so hoping it was something high tech.
20:51 wizzyrea you are probably right
20:51 wizzyrea < has no idea
20:51 jcamins I think "Kardex" is a historic term for "serial record."
20:51 wizzyrea I thought maybe it was an automated thing like the 3M stuff
20:51 chris so yeah, short answer is ... we dont know what you are talking about .. got a link? :)
20:51 jcamins I saw that, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with serials.
20:50 wizzyrea http://www.kardexremstar.com/default.aspx
20:50 jcamins I think she's referring to what I just linked.
20:50 jcamins I don't think so.
20:50 chris yeah naw
20:50 wizzyrea oh, some sort of automated storage and retrieval system
20:50 jcamins Much better.
20:50 jcamins http://bit.ly/9FTzHC
20:49 jcamins Sorry about that.
20:49 jcamins Ick.
20:49 jcamins http://books.google.com/books?id=EdVrTc909nYC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=kardex+serials&source=bl&ots=Uj-aU4989w&sig=SFwX7Nbs3sjS7G-yVT9RWV79If8&hl=en&ei=WBuZTOapH8T_lgf_q7E3&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=kardex%20serials&f=false
20:49 * wizzyrea consults teh googlez
20:49 chris hopefully someone else knows the answer, i suspect no, since i have no idea what it is :)
20:48 chris "Use more words"
20:48 chris would it be wrong to reply and say
20:48 jcamins I was just wondering that.
20:48 chris wtf is kardex?
20:26 chris back
19:59 chris Ok my stop
19:58 * owen will be back tomorrow with questions about gitorious workflows!
19:56 jcamins Right.
19:56 chris_n dogfood is probably ok... its the cool-aid I try to avoid :-)
19:56 wizzyrea < got an android phone because of that. Still have my mac tho. :P
19:55 chris Walk the walk and all that
19:55 chris Yeah I just prefer to eat the dogfood :)
19:55 chris_n wow... quick flyby by pianohack
19:54 jcamins :)
19:53 jcamins And my code is equally open source wherever it's hosted.
19:53 jcamins Ah. Well, I think for the moment I'll stick with github because that's what I have configured.
19:50 chris so free software
19:50 chris Jcamins its agpl3
19:50 chris To me it is
19:49 owen I knew I couldn't put it off any longer :)
19:49 jcamins Is gitorious preferred to github?
19:49 chris Or we can make one at koha-community for you
19:49 chris You get a free backup as side effect
19:48 chris Ahh make a gitorious account and push :)
19:48 chris_n that will preserve things
19:48 owen ...but all of this is on my local machine
19:48 chris Leaving the patches sep has advantages
19:48 chris_n ^^what he said
19:47 chris I would do a pull request
19:47 owen chris_n: So I should submit one patch which incorporates your changes and mine?
19:46 chris_n that way they are easy to keep in sync with HEAD while they await inclusion
19:46 chris_n then do patches/pull requests from there
19:46 chris_n owen: I usually create a new branch off of master and cherry-pick all related commits to it
19:45 reva ok wizzyrea:) anyone know, when copy cataloging is it customary to remove the RCN from 001 (my "students" already know to remove and replace Org code from 003)?
19:44 chris owen: ie keep doing what you are doing
19:41 wizzyrea reva: either way, I think your answer is that "koha doesn't do that"
19:40 reva jcamins: I think you answered me; jwagner, I realized we are not on the world stage yet :), but wanted to prepare them for the day when we have the regional information network and they would be sharing their bib records in the WAIS there.
19:39 owen Uh... okay...
19:37 chris owen: new integration branch sounds good to me
19:36 jwagner reva, there is no such functionality in Koha. That's usually done by the site creating the record, such as OCLC
19:36 jcamins I don't think Koha does that.
19:36 reva Any takers for my question on automatic creation of the Record Control Number (010)?
19:35 reva Oh:0
19:34 chris Gah the hypothermia bus again today
19:33 jwagner reva, I didn't mean forced in that sense -- just that too many of my personal & professional circle were there.
19:32 reva jwagner: you could go to one of the suicide machine sites to get yourself removed from all of these social media sites. I do not think facebook filed any case against the Dutch suicide site.
19:28 reva owen: I like the RSS new entries:). But how do I get Koha to assign Record Control Numbers (001) automatically for me? Anyone?
19:28 * jwagner refuses to get involved with Twitter -- being forced into Facebook was bad enough
19:28 owen chris_n: What's the best way to handle all these separate commits? Right now I'm working with a branch that has cherry-picked commits from yours
19:27 jcamins And that would be an excellent way to persuade people not to have jcamins tweet. ;)
19:26 * jcamins doesn't quite get Twitter yet, but he's been told that he should Tweet more to increase his POW's visibility
19:26 * chris goes to catch the bus
19:26 wizzyrea or that
19:26 chris or do it to status.net and avoid the proprietaryness
19:26 wizzyrea (I haven't tried that, but *in theory* that should work)
19:25 jcamins Hm.
19:25 wizzyrea which you could pull into a pipe -> out to twitter
19:25 wizzyrea well you can do a search that gives a RSS feed of all the new additions
19:25 * owen imagines the twitterspam when his cataloger bulk loads 500 new records
19:24 * owen doesn't like the idea of "killing" RSS in favor of a proprietary platform :(
19:24 jcamins If Koha could tweet new catalog entries, that would be amazing.
19:24 wizzyrea like a yahoo pipe
19:24 wizzyrea can't you pull rss into a tool that then tweets the entries?
19:24 wizzyrea ...
19:24 owen So now I've got to make the OPAC tweet new comments?
19:23 wizzyrea i like it because at least for me, it would make it super simple to see what all was going on in the catalog
19:22 jcamins Chocolate, for example...
19:22 wizzyrea remember owen, RSS is dead :P
19:22 jcamins Bribes are sometimes effective.
19:22 wizzyrea hey, I think that having OPAC comments fed through to the library website is a great way to do that
19:22 * owen crosses his fingers
19:22 owen What better way to encourage people to comment than to offer a way to see what people are saying?
19:21 jcamins Now you just need people to comment on records in the OPAC. :D
19:20 wizzyrea owen++
19:20 wizzyrea owen!
19:20 chris_n nice
19:20 wizzyrea :O
19:20 owen I've got a working, valid RSS feed for OPAC comments!
19:20 owen chris_n++
19:16 chris_n bbiab
19:11 chris *nod*
19:10 chris_n format_date_in_foo might be nice for all of the formats
19:09 chris_n I agree it is a bit much to have to type just to get a date back
19:08 chris its pretty simple
19:08 chris if you look at the format_date ones
19:08 chris might be worth making a couple more helper routines
19:08 * chris_n was guilty of cut-and-paste from the POD on that one ;-)
19:07 chris yeah, i just saw your output iso bit :)
19:06 chris_n he's formatting in rfc822 rather than iso
19:06 chris you could use format_date_in_iso
19:06 nengard I tried to delete a currency and it confirmed that it was deleted but it wasn't - I then tried another and it deleted fine, so I'm wondering if currencies in use can't be deleted but the message is showing wrong
19:05 nengard has anyone tried to delete a currency that was being used? I think I found a bug
19:05 chris_n you can do this sort of one-liner: print C4::Dates->new("21-09-1989", "metric")->output("iso");
19:04 * owen tests
19:04 owen Okay, I think I get it
19:03 chris_n ie my $nice_formatted_date = $date_object->output('rfc822')
19:03 chris_n and then call the output method on the format you want
19:03 chris but spelt right
19:02 chris thats how i use it
19:02 chris_n then you need to create a new date object based on the date you have
19:02 chris my $nice_formatted_date=format_data('2010-09-22');
19:02 * wizzyrea vows to have a running sip server this week on 3.2. This is getting out of hand.
19:01 wizzyrea rhcl: do you have access to your server and/or know how to check for hung SIP connections?
19:00 owen I need to pass it a specific date
18:59 chris_n what exactly do you want to end up with... the current time in rfc822 format? or something else?
18:59 owen chris_n: format_date() doesn't take a parameter does it?
18:59 chris_n ahh
18:58 owen ...but I'm not sure how to use it!
18:58 wizzyrea woo hoo!
18:58 CGI625 thanks guys! i got it resolved
18:58 owen I'm finally testing the work you did on rfc822 date formatting (thank you thank you)
18:57 chris_n sure
18:56 owen chris_n: Got a sec?
18:53 jcamins It's in a lousy nineteenth century cardboard binding, but there are extensive early (17th century?) marginal annotations *with* hand-drawn illustrations of coins.
18:52 jcamins What an amazing book.
18:49 wizzyrea since it *might* have something to do with it
18:49 wizzyrea clear out your indexes CGI625, anyway
18:49 jcamins I'm not sure.
18:48 jcamins Wait, it may just be matchpoints that use Zebra.
18:48 wizzyrea then yea, that might be it
18:48 jcamins Sneaky.
18:48 wizzyrea ^^
18:48 jcamins Ooh.
18:48 jcamins It does.
18:48 owen If so you'd need to re-index
18:48 * owen wonders if record-matching uses zebra?
18:44 jcamins That would be my guess, although I'm not sure where it would be.
18:44 CGI625 very quick responses in here btw, thanks
18:43 CGI625 perhaps i'm missing a table?
18:43 CGI625 yes, i did but i tried truncating the tables biblio, biblioitems, items, etc. and cleaning the imports
18:43 owen CGI625: I asked because Koha might reject an item with no barcode because it "matches" an existing item with no barcode.
18:43 jcamins CGI625: is it possible that you already imported the file successfully?
18:42 CGI625 is there anything else that might cause this, assuming my marc file is ok?
18:42 CGI625 of course the barcode 952p marc field has the barcode in it for each record
18:41 owen CGI625: Do your items have barcodes?
18:41 CGI625 for some reason, every time i stage a marc record for import and then import that staged record, it says that nearly all of my items were not added because they have a "duplicate barcode"
18:40 wizzyrea ^.^
18:40 * owen snickers... nerd knobs.
18:39 wizzyrea (and the simple pref gets turned off)
18:39 chris_n exactly
18:39 wizzyrea but if you want to do it differently, you still have the nerd knobs
18:39 chris_n perhaps some "eye candy" for those who don't want to wade through the deeper parts of the pref stuff
18:39 wizzyrea so, activating simple pref A would activate everything necessary to do X
18:39 wizzyrea also interesting would be if we had "simple" and "advanced" controls
18:38 wizzyrea chris_n: that's an interesting idea
18:36 cait I m trying to write something up for my coworkers and a questionnaire for the library - but it's difficult
18:36 cait chris_n: yes
18:33 chris_n ie. if you want effect X, you need to set sysprefs Y and Z
18:33 chris_n cait: I'm thinking some sort of configuration matrix, either in Koha itself or at least in the docs would make setting things up much easier
18:32 cait chris_n: got your message - thx :)
18:28 wizzyrea me too. owen is a good example >.>
18:28 chris_n I'm now using the one-branch-per-bug method
18:28 wizzyrea right
18:28 chris_n I'll update bugzilla also as well of course
18:28 wizzyrea thanks!
18:28 wizzyrea ooooo!
18:27 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=heads
18:27 chris_n wizzyrea: when its done, you can pick it up here:
18:27 wizzyrea :)
18:27 wizzyrea a lot.
18:27 wizzyrea BUT: I really like the new label creator.
18:27 chris_n I'll add it to Thursday's list
18:26 chris_n ok, that should be a simple fix
18:26 wizzyrea there we go
18:26 wizzyrea bug 5238
18:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5238 minor, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Fatal error when saving printer profile if paper bin field is blank
18:26 chris_n bug 5238
18:26 wizzyrea 5238
18:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5230 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC export by call number range results in a zero byte file
18:26 chris_n sup?
18:26 wizzyrea bug 5230
18:26 wizzyrea :)
18:26 wizzyrea sorry, I had an autocomplete fail
18:25 chris_n ahh
18:25 chris_n wizzyrea
18:25 wizzyrea I just found another oops in the label creator
18:25 wizzyrea chris_n:
18:22 reva ok, I will experiment with it and ask if I have questions. Thanks jcamins:
18:21 jcamins Hi cait.
18:21 jcamins Other than that, I believe when you suppress an item, it won't show up in the OPAC (with that syspref set to on).
18:21 jcamins And that you have to reindex.
18:20 jcamins I do know that you *must* have a suppressed item, or searches won't work at all.
18:20 jcamins reva: I don't use the feature, so I don't know exactly.
18:19 cait hi #koha
18:19 reva jcamins: in my Koha it is set to "Off"; so if I turn it on, what happens exactly?
18:19 ebegin Which is the best field to search based on the language?
18:19 ebegin Hey! A quick question for you
18:14 reva owen: just like New, Corrected, you can set it to "deleted".
18:14 reva Ok, I will look at the manual now jcamins: Owen: it is one of the Record Status selections.
18:12 jcamins owen: OCLC tape load, I think.
18:10 * owen never heard of a delete code before
18:10 jcamins I don't use it.
18:10 jcamins You can look in the manual to learn about that.
18:10 jcamins No, that's the OpacSuppress feature.
18:09 reva ok, because I had understood that setting it delete in Ldr makes it disappear to the public, but lets the library manage and create report on their collection. Or you can even reinstate a record without having to recreate it.
18:07 jcamins I'd suggest just deleting the record.
18:06 jcamins No idea.
18:05 reva jcamins: hi again, when I set the delete code in the leader for a record, is it still supposed to show up in OPAC?
17:34 reva Ok, bye for now.
17:34 jcamins But closing the window should work as well.
17:34 jcamins I think maybe it is /QUIT
17:33 reva jcamins: I will and write back here how it went. Thanks for your encouraging words and help. What is the command here for signing off the chat. Or do you abruptly quit by closing the window?
17:27 jcamins I think if you follow them they might also take care of installing Apache, etc.
17:26 jcamins Read those instructions first, though.
17:25 jcamins Go for it.
17:19 reva jcamins: ok so I would install Debian and then the downloaded Apache, MySQL and Perl gets installed inside that. I will read the instructions and follow. Hope it will work also:).
17:16 jcamins I guess they probably work. :)
17:16 jcamins There are the instructions for installing Koha on Debian.
17:16 jcamins reva: http://bit.ly/appoS3
17:15 jcamins You should install it through Debian.
17:14 reva So I am not to download the http server separately as the instructions in the Koha community page (http://koha-community.org/download-koha/) has it?
17:10 jcamins Whatever version comes with Debian.
17:10 reva ok, then I will go with that CD1. And I would go with Apache http server. Any version I should target there?
17:09 jcamins Sure, if you have a PC, i386 should work.
17:09 reva jcamins: I will download CD1 and see it is big enough to be an OS:)
17:08 reva jcamins: Enviable; I am the IT/Library technology/Cataloger here; but did I get it right that I should go for the i386? Because I counted down the number of lines in this page (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ Intel x86 is 6th) and went with the 6th counting across the first row (http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/).
17:02 tcohen hdl: ack
17:02 hdl tcohen: I think I sent a patch some timeago on that on the koha-devel list
17:02 jcamins Why don't you choose one (I'd guess CD #1), and see what happens?
17:02 tcohen hdl: thanks, i'll try to do some research in the topic
17:01 jcamins reva: no, I'm really not being modest. My host takes care of all OS installation.
17:01 hdl tcohen: There are a few threads about that on koha-devel
17:00 reva But I have not even downloaded because the choices had a series of CDs and I did not which one to download. And that is a lot of reading to do. :) Are you sure you are not just being modest? Ok, so recommend anyone there with expertise I can ask later so that I can download the correct
16:58 jcamins And now you know as much about installing Debian as I do. :)
16:58 jcamins See also http://www.debian.org/CD/
16:58 jcamins reva: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
16:57 jcamins I would recommend looking online for a tutorial.
16:57 jcamins reva: I don't know anything about installing Debian.
16:56 reva jcamins: the link you gave for yesterday for Debian 5.0.6 has a series of links; I run a Intel x86 processor. I picked i386 (or something like that, but I do not know if this is the correct link for my processor). I then went to UTexas mirror, and it had CD1, CD2... in the ftp directory. So which CD#?
16:47 reva jcamins: thanks.
16:46 reva jcamins: ok, that did it. I understand the logic now.
16:45 jcamins Right? You have a record which had a 110, then you went and erased all the subfields, leaving the authority link intact. What you now need to do is go in and unlink that record from the authority.
16:45 jcamins You said you wanted to clear it from the record.
16:44 jcamins No.
16:44 reva jcamins: I will be clearing it from Authorities module, you mean?
16:43 jcamins reva: I think you can click the three dots next to the subfield 'a' do any search and choose "Clear."
16:40 reva Good morning all, I am looking at a record for which I deleted the corporate author entry; It is ok in staff Normal and Marc view. But the OPAC MARC view shows the 110 $9 RLIN field. And I cannot delete the 55 showing in the $9 subfield. Any solutions?
16:35 tcohen is there a place to find info about using yaz-icu?
16:33 hdl We are using icu for most of our customers now.
16:33 hdl unfortunately no. You could ask koha list for that.
16:32 tcohen hdl: do you have a file with that mapping?
16:29 hdl word-phrase-utf.chr should be a better guess
16:29 tcohen the map should be set in sort-string-utf.chr ?
16:29 hdl Therefore, you would have to normalize data.
16:28 hdl NFC or NFD precomposed or NFD post-composed.
16:28 hdl tcohen: I guess you have this because you are i` can be spelled in three different manners in utf8
16:27 jcamins wizzyrea: the extent to which I can sympathize with your tale is rather disturbing.
16:27 tcohen could you explain me that latter?
16:26 hdl tcohen: it looks like you should try yaz-icu or use a map `ii` i in your .chr file.
16:26 sekjal ::whew::
16:26 wizzyrea I don't htink so
16:26 rhcl u have a way with words
16:26 sekjal if you take the + or % off, is there the possibility of duplicate values?
16:26 wizzyrea oooOOOOoooo
16:26 wizzyrea *nobody knows why... it's mystical*
16:26 wizzyrea so now it's just myth
16:25 wizzyrea right, but those people are looooooong gone
16:25 jcamins Yeah, but at some point they must've started, right?
16:25 rhcl token separator :)
16:25 wizzyrea "because it's the way we've always done it"
16:25 jcamins Oh, field end markers?
16:25 wizzyrea lol
16:25 wizzyrea in this case, anyway
16:25 jcamins Why on earth did they do that in the first place?
16:24 wizzyrea just 1
16:24 wizzyrea this is SIP
16:24 wizzyrea well
16:24 rhcl all your libraries or just 1?
16:24 wizzyrea no, not all, but half of them have + signs at the end, another percentage have %
16:24 owen How about programming the scanners to strip the %? :)
16:24 jcamins _All_ the barcodes have a % sign?
16:23 wizzyrea and 100k books
16:23 wizzyrea I imagine though they'd rather not re-card 20k patrons
16:23 wizzyrea :)
16:23 wizzyrea I saw those barcodes and I thought "oh yay! new and exciting ways to break things!"
16:23 * jwagner can be very, er, assertive at times
16:23 * jwagner adds, or drown while being whacked with the baseball bat....
16:22 * druthb makes note of that, for the next time it might be relevant to her dealings with jwagner: do it her way, or drown.
16:22 jwagner Yeah, I know....
16:22 wizzyrea normally I would agree with that
16:22 wizzyrea well
16:22 jwagner Tell them if they insist on using special characters that the computer interprets in a specific fashion, they should expect their data to break.
16:21 wizzyrea !!
16:21 wizzyrea :)
16:21 jwagner I personally just recommend holding their heads under water until they drink :-)
16:21 jwagner wizzyrea, there's a program item at a project management conference I'm going to entitled "Leading Your Horse to Water AND Getting It to Drink! Handling Stubborn Resistance to Change"
16:19 wizzyrea "and we have boxes and boxes of them"
16:19 wizzyrea "because it's the way we've always done it"
16:19 owen Librarians are loony?
16:19 wizzyrea can you guess the answer?
16:18 wizzyrea you know, I asked the same questions
16:18 owen wizzyrea: What's up with these % patron barcodes anyway?
16:17 rhcl np
16:17 wizzyrea thank you very much for testing that
16:17 wizzyrea k cool I will file a bug
16:17 rhcl wizzyrea: no, with a '%' it will not authenticate (not using opac login--simple SIP query directly to the server)
16:14 tcohen (where the matching words ARE th esame as in the second search)
16:13 tcohen (zero results in the first search vs. lots in the second)
16:13 tcohen ?
16:13 tcohen http://odo.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=odontologÃa
16:13 tcohen http://odo.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=odontologÃ
16:13 tcohen has anyone experienced this behaviour?
16:11 rhcl We have two systems that use it...Userful and our Bluesocket wireless controller. I can test on userful pretty easily...gimme a sec
16:07 wizzyrea put a % on the end of a patron barcode and see if it authenticates (or does yours use opac login?)
16:06 wizzyrea can you test this for me
16:06 wizzyrea aha
16:04 rhcl 3.01.00.145
16:02 wizzyrea do you also 3.2 beta?
16:02 rhcl I SIP
15:53 wizzyrea any SIP users about?
15:43 munin chris_n: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
15:43 chris_n @later list
15:43 owen I wonder how many other messages munin is waiting in vain to deliver
15:43 * jwagner visualizes chris_n's message sitting out there in lonely oblivion, waiting for a ciat user....
15:42 owen Whenever ciat logs on he/she is going to be confused.
15:42 chris_n tnx, jwagner
15:42 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
15:42 chris_n @later tell cait holds are handled separately: maxoutstanding
15:42 jwagner chris_n, you misspelled cait
15:39 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
15:39 chris_n @later tell ciat holds are handled separately: maxoutstanding
15:39 chris_n opps
15:39 chris_n kf: holds are handled separately: maxoutstanding
15:26 kf bye all
15:19 kf chris_n: but I am a bit crazy ;)
15:16 kf chris_n: and perhaps make it configurable for separate borrower categories and libraries too
15:15 kf chris_n: I would evenl ike to make it more granular, have the ability to make holds separate too
15:15 kf chris_n: I think a more granular approach is better
15:10 jcamins Good morning.
15:10 jcamins_a chris_n: reserve books... even if you have fines that should prevent renewals, you still need to be able to check out in-library reserve books.
15:09 chris_n it seems the opacfinenorenewals and noissuescharge could be safely combined
15:08 blaker kf: thank you very much this is exactly what i was looking for
15:07 kf blaker: in the circulation rules you combine borrower categories and item types and set the rules for those combinations, loan period, how many renewals (in 3.2), fine etc.
15:06 kf blaker: its in circulation rules, not on ptron categories
15:06 owen Sorry, watching with just one eye
15:06 chris_n owen: these deal with $
15:06 kf chris_n: not allow renewals, but login into account and no new checkouts
15:05 owen too many renewals, a hold on the item
15:05 * chris_n wonders what sort of situation would dictate denying renewals, but allowing new loans
15:05 blaker hello guys, i've got a couple of patron categories defined respectively as student and teacher. i want to restrict some items to be "teacher check out only". what's the simplest most sensible way to do this? i feel like i'm just missing something somewhere in the patron categories because that sounds like what it was built for
15:04 chris_n thanks, kf
15:04 kf chris_n: I searched for fine in the sys pref editor
15:04 chris_n ahh... noissuescharge... found it
15:02 chris_n seems inconsistent
15:02 chris_n opacfinerenewals only disallows renewals and not new loans....
15:01 chris_n where is noissuecharge located?
15:01 kf have not tested the last one, it's new in 3.2
15:01 kf and you can set opacfinenorenewals just to make sure ;)
15:00 kf noissuecharge will prevent checkout, maxoutstanding opac login
15:00 * chris_n grips very briefly about the confusing array of choices
15:00 kf perhaps all of them
15:00 kf hm
15:00 chris_n kf: so the proper combination for denying privileges for patrons with over $5.00 in fines is?
14:59 hdl should be #4055 sent from nahuel
14:58 kf chris_n: it's not setting the debarred flag, but a dynamic thing
14:58 kf chris_n: maxoutstanding, noissuecharge, OPACFineNoRenewals
14:57 kf chris_n: different for renewals, checkout etc.
14:57 kf chris_n: there are many limits
14:55 owen hdl: But not in 3.2?
14:55 sekjal sorry, got my numbers reversed earlier
14:55 sekjal it is
14:54 owen 2142 I think is the same as 4430
14:54 hdl iirc.
14:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2142 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, maxItemsInSearchResults No longer used
14:54 sekjal ah, it was bug 2142
14:54 hdl owen: patch is already in 3.0 for maximum number of allowed hold
14:54 * chris_n reminds everyone to tag regression bugs with the regression keyword
14:53 sekjal thought it was a much earlier number, though
14:53 sekjal owen: 4045 looks like one you mentioned earlier... special prize for fixing it before 3.2 and all...
14:51 * chris_n wonders if that sort of limit is even an option currently
14:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4430 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Staff Results Display Showing Wrong Numbers
14:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
14:49 owen Ah, hdl the other bugs I'm watching are Bug 4045 and Bug 4430
14:48 chris_n which syspref determines the max fine a patron can have before being debarred?
14:48 * owen fails to find any of the emails he's looking for
14:44 * wizzyrea has to go away for a bit
14:43 wizzyrea the selection for branch should not be hidden
14:43 wizzyrea at the very very least
14:43 wizzyrea for us too
14:43 wizzyrea that's a biggie
14:43 wizzyrea oh yea
14:42 * owen is looking for his notes on the others
14:42 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
14:42 owen Bug 4945 is one
14:41 hdl yes
14:40 owen hdl: Which are blockers for us?
14:40 hdl owen: wich ones ?
14:40 jwagner I've had fun before. That wasn't it....
14:37 chris_n they say time flies when you're having fun :-)
14:34 jwagner Sure feels like a long time ago. Oh, wait, it was....
14:34 chris_n VAX... now we're getting back in time
14:32 jwagner It was a quantum leap in technology when we migrated from LIS on the PDP 11/84 to LIS on a VAX 64 :-) From room-sized minicomputer to a desktop machine. Imagine that!!!
14:31 chris_n nice catch chris
14:31 jwagner I think Georgetown stopped developing/supporting LIS about the time we migrated to Unicorn.
14:31 rhcl_away One of the UG's I dabble in is installing VistA for a free medical clininc in KC
14:31 rhcl_away No, I understand, just that your MUMPS reference made me think of VistA
14:30 jwagner rhcl_away, no, not VistA -- it was called LIS. Specially tailored for medical libraries
14:30 rhcl_away VistA <- runs on top of MUMPS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS
14:30 owen schuster: There are still a couple of bugs that are blockers for us
14:29 rhcl_away jwagner: Ah VistA! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistA
14:29 owen No
14:28 schuster owen are you in production on 3.2?
14:28 schuster Didn't we just have that discussion?
14:28 schuster Thanks smarty pants... owen...
14:26 owen You can do that in 3.2 schuster
14:26 schuster I just want to make sure there isn't a way to move a copy of a book from one biblio to another without deleting and readding.
14:22 tcohen which are found searching for 'metodolog' but not with 'metodologÃa'
14:22 tcohen I'm having some issues with words ending with Ãa in some installs
14:21 tcohen hi, does anyone remember *where* does zebra control word truncation?
14:21 schuster I hear ruby on rails and wonders how much that costs!
14:18 * magnus thought mumps was some kind of disease or something...
14:14 jwagner My first ILS system was one written by Georgetown University for medical libraries. Written in MUMPS, running on a PDP 11/84. Now that had some interesting command line experiences....
14:07 schuster Ah yes the old Dynix Classic... What a dream system... except people hated the dot commands... except me!
13:56 magnus imp: yeah, the lurning curve is steep, but once you know your way around you can work really fast
13:55 imp (at least sometimes ;)
13:55 imp magnus: cli interfaces are nice :)
13:44 magnus the librarian interface for bibsys, the main system for norwegian academic libraries, is actually telnet-like...
13:44 * jwagner remembers working with a punch card system. Is I old???
13:44 jwagner punch cards! That's the wave of the future!!!
13:43 magnus hehe
13:42 owen yeah, we should go back to developing Koha as a telnet-based system.
13:41 * magnus gives the whole interwebs malarkey another year before people start loosing interest
13:38 owen :P
13:38 schuster hmmm... kinda like RSS.
13:35 * owen wonders if tag clouds aren't old-fashioned now
13:23 schuster That's why I sit way back from my monitor.
13:23 schuster Throwing rolls of coins would be rude... Had a library system friend once that wanted the auto hand installed on the monitors so when the library staff did something stupid it would reach out and slap thme.
13:21 * owen wouldn't want to accept payment in rolls of quarters that way
13:21 magnus owen: of course, i was thinking coins...
13:21 schuster Large monetary bills or some I think work for chocolate or cookies actually.
13:21 * owen considers it very polite! Bills preferred, naturally
13:21 schuster Only if they accept(!:)
13:20 magnus schuster: are you sure throwing money at programmers is considered polite? ;-)
13:18 schuster OK off to do other things and will wait calmly for the 3.2 release. I hope everyone has a great day. Happy Tuesday in America!
13:18 kf owen: thought so, thank you
13:17 owen kf: No
13:17 kf do we? I can't think of an example
13:17 schuster Unfortunately - I have to work through my vendor and can't just ask and pay someone.
13:17 kf oh, a coworker asked me today if we use a plugin to make text boxes grow automatically
13:17 owen kf: I pick and choose my battles :)
13:17 schuster I know I can't "help" but I could possibly throw some money at a programmer for things that are important to me...
13:16 * kf thinks owen is very smart
13:16 * owen is not included
13:16 owen schuster: It's fine to say "we could help," but really there are only a select few of us smart enough to tackle the really tough problems.
13:16 schuster Just food for thought for the next release managers... A wiki page or something that could list things the RM is concerned about or working on...
13:15 schuster If the community could understand that maybe we could help.
13:14 schuster I just know that people are probably anticipating 3.2 release some are actually using it live - so what's holding up a full release?
13:14 gmcharlt schuster: it's a free channel
13:13 schuster ok I'm going to stop so gmcharlt won't fret over my questions.
13:13 kf so schuster is not wrong here, there are a lot of blockers - I really appreciate your looking at old bugs owen
13:13 kf owen: yep, but some bugs can not be addressed by the reporters and perhaps get kind of lost in bugzilla
13:13 gmcharlt thanks
13:12 Braedon good luck gmcharlt, try to sleep soon
13:12 owen kf: There are certainly non-blocker bugs that are blockers to *me*
13:12 schuster Sleep... oh wishes he could go back to bed after being up only 2 hours.
13:12 Braedon kf: thanks
13:12 kf Braedon: sleep well
13:12 * Braedon is on his way to bed, honest
13:11 * Braedon marvels at schuster's preemption skills
13:11 kf schuster: I think a lot of annoying things ar not blockers, blockers are for loss of data
13:11 kf schuster: we have bugzilla...
13:11 schuster I know we have bugzilla, but there are LOTS of bugs there, but from my understanding only blockers hold up a release.
13:11 Braedon schuster: wouldn't that be the blocker's list?
13:10 kf not wanting to ruffle feathers
13:10 schuster Wonders if there would be a way for the community to see/track things that the RM is seeing as a problem so the community could step up and help. More of a list of things that need addressing.
13:10 kf me too
13:08 schuster Didn't mean to ruffle feathers, just asking a question.
13:08 Braedon adiós #koha
13:08 * Braedon is off to bed (sorry to rub it in gmcharlt)
13:07 schuster Sorry about that and hope you have a chance for sleep in the VERY near future.
13:07 kf Braedon: feels like that :)
13:07 * Braedon hands gmcharlt a defibrillator
13:07 owen :D
13:07 * jwagner hands gmcharlt some concentrated caffeine...
13:06 Braedon gmcharlt was standing right behind kf all along...
13:06 * kf hands gmcharlt some hot chocolate
13:06 magnus ouch
13:06 gmcharlt but as thus far I've been up for 28 hours straight with no end in sight, not today
13:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2
13:06 magnus last time i asked chris, he thought the main blocker was bug 4310
13:05 * kf jumps
13:05 gmcharlt patch tests out OK, so it'll go ing, rotathign collections will go out, and 3.2 will go out as well
13:05 kf and work already started for 3.4
13:05 kf yep
13:05 jwagner The code freeze for 3.2 was the first week of September, a year ago....
13:04 kf not sure what the result was
13:04 kf I asked gmcharlt about the timeline some days ago, he told me he would look at Colin's patch for the acq blocker
13:03 kf and for some of them there are no patches at all yet
13:03 * magnus agrees
13:03 kf but those problems are in bugzilla - most of them over my head and we don't know what will make it into 3.2
13:03 kf I agree too
13:02 schuster ++
13:02 * owen agrees
13:02 * Braedon 's two cents - fix later is bad. When i was deploying 3.0.6 over the summer there were a few really blatantly broken things that IMO should just not have been there. It can give a really bad impression. You can add a feature later. It is much harder to remove a bad impression from a broken feature
13:02 schuster not to be snooty, just curious.
13:02 * owen doesn't know
13:02 schuster Has there been any more discussion about a timeline for 3.2? Seems every time I ask we are 2 weeks out or when this or that gets fixed. What's holding it up?
13:01 schuster ah.
13:01 owen I worry that rotating collections won't get pulled from 3.2 and we'll be releasing a buggy new feature
13:00 schuster owen worry about what?
12:58 kf but I think we must get 3.2 out, and fix some things later
12:58 kf or some acq bugs
12:58 kf like singlebranchmode not working :(
12:57 kf regressions
12:57 kf there are worse
12:57 kf ok, this sounds not nice, but I don't think rotating collections is our main problem
12:56 owen I just don't want to see a buggy feature in 3.2.
12:56 kf worry?
12:55 owen At this point I'm starting to worry.
12:53 kf better not include this one in the feature list :)
12:53 kf good to know - preparing a presentation for next week about 3.2 now
12:53 kf oh
12:52 owen I had started to work on fixing up the templates for it but stopped based on that information.
12:51 owen gmcharlt said quite a while ago they would be removed because the feature was too buggy
12:51 kf owen: why should they get yanked? bad bug?
12:39 * owen wonders if rotating collections are really going to get yanked from 3.2 as previously promised
12:33 jwagner Hi kf
12:32 kf hi owen and jwagner
12:15 owen Hi folks
12:15 magnus good morning usa'ians!
12:12 Nate morning jwagner!
12:12 jwagner Hi Nate
12:12 Nate Hello #koha!
08:29 magnus hi Amit
08:29 Amit Hi Koha Help, magnus
08:28 magnus hi KohaHelp
08:28 chris hi
08:27 KohaHelp hello
08:17 magnus cool
08:14 chris thats the town hall, in that video, thats where the conference is .. but we are upstairs
08:14 magnus good starting point! ;-)
08:13 chris they are one of the best bands i have ever seen live, because they love what they do
08:12 magnus re-listening to that track now, guess not...
08:12 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SblTKIZoInI is one of my faves
08:11 chris just as well its not reggae then hehe ;)
08:10 magnus i think i just found one track on spotify... reagge isn't really my cup of tea, though...
08:08 chris http://www.wotzon.com/eventlisting.php?event_id=5026963
08:07 chris magnus: have you listened to trinity roots?
08:06 chris hmm
08:05 chris heh
08:05 darling they talk pretty funny here
08:05 darling listening to http://www.radionz.co.nz/ will help
08:04 magnus yeah, it's just 1 month until we touch down in auckland!
08:04 kf magnus: training for nz? :)
08:02 magnus ta
08:00 chris you can use it here, but yeah its much more australian
07:54 kf hi chris
07:53 magnus or is that more of an australian salutation?
07:50 magnus g'day chris
07:50 chris hi kf and magnus
05:51 cait hi kmkale :)
05:49 kmkale Hi cait
05:00 CGI453 Could any one point me to a good set of download and install instructions?
04:59 CGI453 hb
04:59 kmkale brb
04:48 kmkale Hi Amit
04:46 Amit heya kmkale
04:29 kmkale how are you?
04:29 kmkale hi chris
04:23 chris hi kmkale
04:20 kmkale s/god/good
04:20 kmkale god morning all
03:06 Amit heya brendan_l
03:06 brendan_l heya amit
03:05 chris heya Amit
03:05 Amit heya chris