Time Nick Message
01:09 robin http://techrights.org/2008/11/07/ms-open-source-xenophobia/ <-- well, at least they're not sponsoring KohaCon :D
01:12 chris heh
01:13 wasabi yeah, and we think we've got it bad....
01:14 chris well theres a fairly simple solution, dont take their money
01:14 wasabi ... and dont give them yours too
01:14 chris :)
01:15 wasabi the windows-tax... that was genuis!
01:16 wasabi even if the box doesnt run windows, we are going to charge you for that box anyway...
01:16 robin yeah, they've got a good scheme going
01:17 wasabi PAID ME!!, PAID ME!! (joe pesci in 'good fellas' )
01:17 wasabi s/PAID/PAY/g
01:18 robin I was thinking more "Feed me, Seymore" from Little Shop of Horrors.
01:20 wasabi nah, def. this one -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc
01:24 robin yeah, that seems appropriate
01:26 wasabi actually, im thinking of another scene, were they 'visit' laury? with the hair-piece...
01:27 robin I haven't seen that movie in approximately forever.
01:27 * robin adds it to my movie rental queue
01:28 wasabi wow. some crazy soft-rock metal on nat.radio!
01:28 robin I need my loud power metal to get work done today
01:29 wasabi http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/national/adaptive.asx
01:29 wasabi not bad lag... ;)
01:30 wasabi aaah , queensryche , he he...
01:30 robin Hah, I have a Queensr�che album
01:30 robin somewhere
01:31 wasabi haaay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensrÿche
01:31 wasabi im sure they've upgraded the umlauts!
01:32 robin Ah, Operation Mindcrime is the one I think I have. I haven't listened to it in a while though.
01:32 wasabi ... trademark issues, perhaps?
01:32 robin As far as I know, it's always been with the �
01:33 robin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queensryche_album_cover.jpg <-- from 1983
01:34 wasabi $ whois queens-ryche.com
01:34 wasabi oooh, available!!
01:35 robin so is queensr�che.com :)
01:35 robin (or XN--QUEENSRCHE-EFB.COM as it's otherwise known)
02:10 wasabi telstra have got some weird proxy-caching stuff happening today
02:11 wasabi stuff = problems
02:12 robin telstra has been quite broken in the past few days. I saw a great ping trace from earlier today that showed it being slow, and there was about 50% packet loss last night,.
02:14 chris yeah, ive been falling on and off irc
02:14 chris yesterday and the day before
02:16 robin they did some "up"grades, I hear.
02:16 chris they need a regression status
02:17 chris :)
02:17 robin heh
02:49 ebegin hey #koha!
02:49 ebegin (or what left at that time) :)
02:50 ebegin Anybody knows where I can get a good comparison of ILS features?
02:56 chris not me
02:57 robin It's probably pretty tricky to find an unbiased list out there. I haven't seen one, but I haven't looked, either.
03:10 Amit heya chris
03:13 chris hi Amit
04:21 ivanc good morning #koha
06:07 cait good morning all :)
06:08 magnus g'day #koha
06:13 cait morning magnus :)
06:13 magnus guten morgen cait
06:15 cait magnus: can you cross your fingers for me? I have to do the online test for my distance study now - the last thing I need to register for the exam in this course
06:15 magnus cait: fingers crossed! what course?
06:15 cait xml
06:16 cait xml, dtd, xml schema, xpath, xquery, xslt and xsl-fo
06:23 magnus sounds like fun! and you still have doubts about being a developer? ;-)
06:30 ivanc good morning #koha
06:32 magnus good morning ivanc
06:32 magnus yay! http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-1issue-9-september-2010/
06:32 ivanc good morning magnus
06:45 cait magnus: hmpf.
06:45 cait :)
06:45 magnus hehe
06:45 cait magnus: thx - 98% in the multiple choice test - now I can write the mail and register
06:45 magnus wow - cool!
06:46 * magnus wanders off in search of breakfast
09:16 chris magnus: you about?
09:17 magnus chris: yup
09:17 cait magnus++
09:17 chris just read your blog post
09:17 cait blog post? :)
09:17 chris heres the example i use
09:17 chris when ppl say koha is for small libraries
09:17 magnus about big koha libraries?
09:17 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=38423
09:18 stephane1 francharb: hello françois, as-tu le temps pour discuter deux minutes avec skype, c'est au sujet du guide de param ini
09:18 francharb stephane1: 2min
09:19 stephane1 francharb: oui c pas long mais plus simle à l'oral
09:19 magnus "The collection of the library contains 1416609 volumes. The library circulates 1177015 items per year." Cool! I must remember to include that in my future post about big koha libraries!
09:20 chris :)
09:22 magnus thanks chris
09:23 stephane1 francharb: il a été convenu avec paul et laurence d'insérer dans le guide apres chaque présentation du paramètre un renvoi vers le document "formulaires de paramétrage (tableur avec une feuille par paramètres), j'avais commencé à faire cela sur le document qu'avait fait nicolas (cf sous descartes/gestion projet_stephane_y document reunion orientation suivi projet;et ensuite j'ai appris que tu faisais un doc de param ini; ; l'idé
09:24 francharb stephane1: t'es pas sur le chan de biblibre, c'est un chan public
09:24 francharb passe sur biblibvre
09:24 laurence stephane1 t'es pas sur le bon chan
09:29 chris magnus: http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=29869
09:30 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=29840
09:30 chris and my favourite
09:30 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=927
09:31 chris that one only has 7 million volumes
09:31 magnus heh
09:33 chris awesome :(
09:33 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4132085/Massive-storm-heading-for-New-Zealand
09:34 magnus "storm the size of Australia" :-( betterget that sort of thing over and done with before kohacon...
09:34 chris Blustery conditions would affect the entire North Island with severe gales likely about Wellington, Wairarapa and the tops of ranges, Mr Duncan said.
09:35 cait :(
09:37 larsw chris, um, I hope you all will be ok
09:39 chris pretty much happens at least once a year, my fence might blow over .. that happened last time, but thats probably about it
09:40 chris and i totally forgot to email you
09:45 cait ok, time to go to work
09:45 cait bbl :)
09:45 larsw so you did
09:45 larsw I have a little time now... what was the question?
09:46 chris ahh, just was trying to work out a rule of thumb for adding to the copyright statement, ie, 3 lines or more .. 10 characters .. :)
09:47 chris or any change other than whitespace
09:47 larsw ah, that is a good question for each country's copyright judges :)
09:47 chris :)
09:48 larsw I would add it whenever applying a patch that can be considered to have required creativity of some sort
09:48 chris ah yep, thats a good idea
09:48 larsw i.e., just fixing a typo does not warrant a new copyright statement, but adding a new feature does
09:48 larsw between those there is a large grey area where your guess is as good as mine
09:50 chris *nod*
09:50 larsw many people consider it prudent to add one if there's doubt
09:50 chris seems the safest course
09:51 larsw but that's because we all live in fear of people using assault lawyers in jurisdictions with punitive damages
09:51 chris yeah
10:18 magnus chris: thanks for providing me with some great examples: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flibriotech.no%2Fnode%2F74&tl=en
10:19 magnus if there are any more good ones, i'll add them
10:19 chris hmm, twitter is doubling up for you
10:19 chris one from twitterfeed and one from facebook
10:19 kf hi again #koha
10:19 magnus ah, that would do it
10:19 chris hi kf
10:20 magnus hi kf
10:59 * kf shares some cookies
11:03 kf gmcharlt: around?
11:03 gmcharlt hi kf
11:03 kf hi :)
11:04 kf can you say something about 3.2? I saw that Colin send a patch for the blocker bug.
11:05 kf looking at my calendar and wondering if we will be able to update our library before kohacon
11:05 gmcharlt yes - I'll check out Colin's patch later today
11:06 kf thx :)
11:06 * gmcharlt wanders off to make tea - afk for a bit
11:08 kf tea is a good idea
11:19 hdl hi gmcharlt
11:28 ivanc hi kf :)
11:29 kf hi ivanc and hdl )
11:34 ivanc kf any advice about RSWK?
11:35 kf ivanc: some notes perhaps
11:36 kf ivanc: http://www.d-nb.de/standardisierung/formate/marc21.htm MARC21 at the DNB
11:37 kf ivanc: here is something about rswk in marc21 http://www.d-nb.de/standardisierung/pdf/rswk_in_marc_21.pdf
11:37 magnus and for the rest of us: what is rswk? ;-)
11:38 kf ivanc: we use a little program to convert the subject chains in 689 to single subjects, facetted search does not know about 689 - only about the 6xx fields from the marc21 standard
11:38 kf Regel für die Schlagwortkatalogisierung
11:39 kf magnus: uh, not easy to explain. something like loc headings - rules for cataloging the content of a work
11:39 magnus i see!
11:39 kf magnus: using subject chains (schlagwortketten) and a controlled vocabulary
11:41 kf magnus: you can match the different types to 6xx fields, but Koha can't really deal with the chains at the moment. It works much better with single subjects
11:41 ivanc magnus: about a question from yesterday
11:42 ivanc kf: tnks a lot
11:42 magnus schlagwortketten - that sounds painful somehow...
11:42 ivanc magnus: true :)
11:44 kf ivanc: we have authorities loaded into koha, what you need to know is, that the control number of the authority needs to be in $9 instead of $0, and you need to make koha use the 001 from the authority record as auth_header.authid
11:44 kf ivanc: authid is numeric... so we kill the last number of the authority control numbery everywhere (can be X)
11:44 kf if you do all that, it works quite good
11:44 kf you can see it in our catalogs
11:45 kf ivanc: koha can't expand the search to the see and see also fields, so you need to use the specia authority search to find those
11:45 kf ivanc: but if you find one title with your subject you can click on the link, it will search with the control number and find all other titles
11:45 ivanc kf: tnks!!!!
11:46 kf hope my explanations were understandable :)
11:46 ivanc kf: yet I was only interested if applicable
11:46 kf ok... :)
11:47 kf yeah, with some limits yes
11:47 ivanc kf: with some limits is better as no :)
11:47 kf perhaps check one of our teacher libraries, the marc view is active there and you can see better what we did to the records
11:48 kf in fact I would say using single subjects will work, using subject chains will need some work
11:49 kf ivanc: here is one example with single rswk subjects: https://seminar-stuttgart.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=13758
11:50 kf magnus: and you are right, the schlagwortketten are painful
11:51 kf magnus: und using a local field like 689 seems not like a real good solution to me, but at least there is a standard way to do it
12:37 schuster something going on with workbuffer.org and koha-community.org or just me?
12:39 kf schuster: I can reach both
12:39 schuster ok thanks
12:46 owen Okay, first patch with a copyright addition sent.
12:56 brendan morning all
12:57 owen Hi brendan
12:58 brendan heya owen
12:58 * owen just learned about this: http://www.libanywhere.com/
12:58 * owen heard from a Koha library which is testing it
12:58 Braedon Currently, LibraryAnywhere only supports Google Chrome, Apple Safari, or Mozilla FireFox 3.6 (or higher)
12:58 * Braedon is on firefox 4.0
12:59 Braedon is 4.0 not higher than 3.6 anymore?
13:02 Braedon most not at all
13:02 Braedon can't work out what it is supposed to be
13:03 Braedon but whenever i go to it, and sometimes to google.co.nz as well, it has it
13:03 Braedon it detects i am in NZ, as it has a Go to Google New Zealand link
13:03 Braedon but gives me it regardless
13:05 Braedon apparently it is Cherokee http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/5042/google-what-language-is-chr-and-why-is-my-homepage-set-there
13:06 Braedon which makes absolutely no sense. Why does it think i want Cherokee?
13:06 Braedon anywho, sorry for the offtopic. been bugging me a while...
13:09 OpenUser Hello, I have the following problem when checking out an item
13:09 OpenUser No branchcode argument to new. Should be C4::Calendar->new(branchcode => $branchcode) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 2411
13:09 OpenUser Koha version 3.06 - any ideas?
13:16 Braedon if i remember correctly that was a bug in 3.06 - need to change that $branchcode to $branch
13:16 Braedon or something like that...
13:16 Braedon it was 9 months ago
13:16 Braedon anyone else remember it?
13:17 OpenUser oh...maybe I'll check the bug DB.....thanks for the pointer.
13:17 Braedon looking at the current git, looks like it has been changed to $branch http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=034a8d6d4bc3f94783dc25da870ee9f125870fcf;hb=HEAD#l2542
13:21 OpenUser Great.....will I be OK just changing that in the circulation.pm file or do you think there will be other places that need changing?
13:32 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:32 tcohen hi all, i'm having some issues with authorities searching
13:32 tcohen specifically "auth_finder.pl: oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Any Bib-1"
13:33 tcohen when searching "anywhere"
13:33 tcohen I know this has been an issue several times
13:34 tcohen but can't find doc on that so it can be fixed (forever)
13:42 OpenUser My circulation.pm is already set to $branch ??
13:43 jcamins tcohen: Did you try reindexing?
13:44 tcohen jcamins: yes
13:44 tcohen several times
13:45 tcohen jcamins: should it work out.-of-the-box?
13:46 tcohen i'm on 3.0.6, btw
13:46 kf hi jcamins :)
13:47 tcohen should an 'Any' attribute be defined in authorities/etc/bib1.att ?
14:00 jcamins tcohen: sorry about the delay. I'm not sure. We're using 3.1.143.
14:00 tcohen jcaminsS: thanks
14:00 tcohen i'll be trying to figure it out
14:02 jcamins http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-07-19
14:03 jcamins tcohen: ^^ it's like a virtual gmcharlt suggesting how to fix it :)
14:04 tcohen :-D
14:05 jcamins Bug 3072
14:05 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
14:06 jcamins tcohen: ^^ that might fix it
14:07 jcamins Eventually I'll remember to ping you on the messages I send, rather than right after.
14:13 OpenUser Hey, does anyone know what the holdingbranch column is in the items table? I see the problem I am having is because my holdingbranch and some homebranch are NULL, but before I do an update on the table I would like to know what I'm changing!!
14:13 sekjal OpenUser: homebranch is the branchcode of the library that owns the material. Holdingbranch is the branchcode of the library that current has it
14:13 sekjal often, they're the same
14:13 sekjal unless the item was transferred
14:14 OpenUser Thanks, its a single branch library so there shouldn't be any problems updating the table and setting them both to the branch code??
14:15 sekjal if you've only the one branch, then yes, that makes life much simpler
14:16 sekjal if you change the items table directly, you'll need to resync the MARC before the info will show up properly in the Zebra index, though
14:17 ebegin Quick question: as far as I can tell, there is no table in Koha to keep track of claims, right?
14:17 sekjal ebegin: don't know of one
14:18 OpenUser Thanks.....can you explain what you mean by Resync the MARC?
14:19 sekjal the Zebra index gets all it's information from the MARC record, including item information
14:19 sekjal if you manually change the database values, the MARC fields don't get changed
14:20 sekjal so you need to run the script /misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl
14:20 sekjal then reindex
14:20 OpenUser Great....that makes sense....thanks for your help
14:20 * owen really thought there was already a bug report for Bug 5220...
14:20 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5220 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, subjects with xslt on only search first part
14:20 sekjal OpenUser: glad to be of service!
14:23 jwagner owen, there is, but it's misleadingly named. Looking for it now.
14:23 owen Thanks jwagner, I was about to ask you. I remembered the bug as having your comments
14:24 jwagner Is collum online? He wrote a partial fix for it.
14:25 kf ebegin: perhaps in one of the logs, there is letter log for claims
14:26 kf ebegin: I am not sure if it's actually doing something and if yes - serials or acq?
14:26 ebegin kf, good catch. I'll check if it's use and if I could use that
14:27 kf ebegin: :)
14:27 ebegin kf++
14:27 ebegin (you deserve it)
14:27 jwagner owen, Bug 4276 -- someone marked it as Fixed but it's only partially fixed.
14:27 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms
14:27 kf thx :)
14:28 owen marked as fixed just a few days ago. Timely :)
14:28 ebegin kf, it's even better than I thought. The generated message is logged!
14:29 kf for which module?
14:29 jwagner I haven't had time to go back and work on 4276 any, to try to strip out the parens & other special chars. When I tried earlier, I wasn't able to figure out how to do it.
14:30 kf jwagner: perhaps I can take a look some time - I think perhaps translate()
14:35 owen jwagner: It looks like it is indeed working in 3.0.6. I'll compare the XSL files to see if I can see what's going on
14:43 collum jwagner: I'm here. But it doesn't look like you need me anymore. :)
14:44 owen The fix in 3.0.6 works for HEAD, although it doesn't give us the same kind of fine-grained links in the normal display (being able to search on separate parts of the chained subject)
14:44 jwagner Awwww. We always need you collum!
14:47 collum Thanks. I meant it looked like your question was answered.
14:47 jwagner Yes, but I couldn't pass up the opening :-)
14:49 * collum turns red
14:49 owen Oh no, he's furious with you for summoning him without cause!
14:50 * owen cowers
14:50 jwagner Avaunt!
14:53 * collum finds the imprecise English language fascinating.
14:58 sekjal okay, really? DelItem doesn't check to see if the item is currently issued? I just get a FIXME line?
14:58 brendan @wunder 93117
14:58 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.6�C (7:57 AM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
15:00 sekjal okay, bug 3597 seems to address this
15:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, "Delete all items" doesn't check issues
15:03 owen Anyone want to sign off on this patch for Bug 4276?
15:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms
15:04 sekjal owen: I'll pull, test, and sign off
15:05 owen I don't have a public repo but I can email a patch
15:05 sekjal if you attach it to the bug report, I can wget it onto my server
15:05 owen Okay
15:06 kf owen: I want to test too - we have a different subject subfield structure I think
15:11 owen My patch is now attached to the bug report. It doesn't include the author-handling changes from the original patch
15:16 kf ok, will try to test tomorrow
15:21 sekjal owen: I've got your patch onto my system, and will test soon
15:42 ebegin Is there an exim doctor in the room? :)
16:42 wizzyrea very quiet.
16:44 brendan booo
16:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
16:48 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.3�C (6:52 PM CEST on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
16:49 owen @wunder 45701
16:49 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 24.4�C (12:50 PM EDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady).
16:50 cait owen: 24.4 sounds nice
16:50 owen Looks that way through my window at least
16:53 moodaepo @wunder 56001
16:53 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 16.3�C (11:57 AM CDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Rising).
16:55 brendan @wunder 93117
16:55 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (9:57 AM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
17:00 wizzyrea what button causes "forced branchtransfer"
17:00 wizzyrea in the branchtransfers table
17:00 wizzyrea "how does that status get assigned" I mean
17:12 jcamins Does anyone use Koha for creating MARC-AMC records?
17:16 jcamins Or any type of record under archival control.
17:23 jcamins How do I make a hidden text input visible using jquery?
17:24 wizzyrea .show()
17:24 wizzyrea I think
17:24 wizzyrea instead of .hide()
17:25 cait hm or perhaps change the attribute
17:25 cait so it's not hidden but something else
17:27 tcohen jcamins: the problem got resolved when I switched to grs1 for authorities!
17:28 tcohen there's something wrong with 'dom'
17:28 tcohen it shouldn't be suggested as prefered during install
17:34 jcamins cait, wizzyrea: for future reference, the second suggestion works: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/540851/jquery-change-element-type-from-hidden-to-input
17:35 cait cool :)
17:35 wizzyrea cool.
17:35 wizzyrea I'm in a bit of a funk today.
17:36 * jcamins looks for a cookie to offer wizzyrea
17:36 wizzyrea :) thanks. The cookies always help. :)
17:38 jcamins Comments on bug 2567?
17:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2567 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 008 editor falsely populating Illustrations and Nature of Contents positions
17:39 jcamins i.e. is there a reason not to just make those textboxes?
17:40 cait cookie?
17:40 * jcamins looks around some more, searching for the secret cookie stash that he is sure he should have.
17:41 * jwagner wants cookies too....
17:42 jcamins Does anyone know how to to filter for more than one name in jQuery?
17:42 * wizzyrea has a stash of white chocolate-butterscotch-habanero cookies here somewhere...
17:42 jcamins Oooh.
17:43 wizzyrea http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/habanero-cookies/Detail.aspx
17:43 jcamins That sounds amazing.
17:43 jcamins Thanks!
17:43 wizzyrea added the white choc and butterscotch, of course
17:45 cait jcamins: what do you want to do?
17:45 cait name or id?
17:45 * larsw says yay for non-laxative sugarless cookies
17:46 jcamins cait: by name.
17:46 jcamins I want to select both f1821 and f2427.
17:46 cait hmm!
17:46 cait you sure those numbers never change?
17:47 jcamins "or" does not work.
17:47 jcamins Yep.
17:47 cait |?
17:47 jcamins Nope. Not '||' either.
17:48 cait comma separating
17:48 cait http://api.jquery.com/multiple-selector/
17:49 jcamins It thinks the comma is part of the name. :(
17:50 jcamins Wait! I know! Maybe I can use the entire expression.
17:50 jcamins Yay!
17:50 jcamins cait++
17:51 jcamins $("input[name='f1821'],input[name='f2427']").each(function(){
17:51 cait aah karma :)
17:51 cait cool :)
17:51 cait the each is something I have not figured out yet
17:51 cait @karma cait
17:51 munin cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 22 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 22.
17:52 cait although I still think we should rename karma to cookie :)
17:52 jcamins :)
17:52 jcamins @karma jcamins
17:52 munin jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12.
17:52 jcamins 12 cookies! :D
17:52 cait @karma kf
17:52 munin cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26.
17:53 cait hm, have different identities any influence on the calories?
17:53 jcamins That depends... is the goal to gain weight or lose weight? ;)
17:54 ccurry Hello, everyone.
17:54 jcamins Hello.
17:54 ccurry Can somebody tell me whether Koha's MySQL database is using InnoDB or MyISAM?
17:55 jcamins I think InnoDB, but that's just off the top of my head.
17:55 jcamins You'd be better off checking with someone who knows.
17:56 ccurry I've been googling this, but can't find a way to query the database to find out.
17:56 jcamins InnoDB.
17:56 ccurry Wait...are you sure now, then?
17:57 jcamins Yes.
17:57 ccurry OK. Thanks.
17:57 jcamins You're welcome.
17:57 jcamins I just looked in the kohastructure.sql file.
17:57 wasabi http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/13/michael_stonebraker_interview/
17:58 wasabi interesting...
18:04 wasabi @tell wasabi moo
18:04 wasabi @tell ccurry mysql> show create table biblio\G
18:04 munin wasabi: Error: I haven't seen ccurry, I'll let you do the telling.
18:05 owen I think it's "@later tell <username>"
18:05 wasabi @later tell wasabi moo
18:05 munin wasabi: The operation succeeded.
18:06 wasabi @later tell ccurry mysql> show create table biblio\G
18:06 munin wasabi: The operation succeeded.
18:06 wasabi ta owen
18:11 ivanc see you #koha
18:52 jcamins Can someone confirm that field 545 is missing from the default MARC framework?
18:53 owen It's not in mine
18:54 jcamins Bugzilla, here I come!
18:55 chris jcamins: you should add the new RDA fields while you are changing the framework :)
18:56 cait jcamins: and the fields added for Germany/mab2
18:56 chris or at least make a RDA framework which is the default, but with http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC29.html
18:57 chris 336, 337, and 338 are the new ones, to replace 245h
18:58 jcamins I think at the moment I'm just adding 545 to my Archives framework.
18:58 chris :)
18:58 jcamins And I'll submit a bug so that the next person who wonders will see that it's a known issue.
19:00 jcamins Aren't wasabi and cait going to be overhauling the default framework at KohaCon?
19:00 cait can't we make some librarians do it? *hides*
19:01 jcamins cait: you _are_ a librarian. :D
19:02 cait no, I am a developer
19:02 jcamins Okay, that's *really* weird.
19:02 cait ask magnus
19:02 cait hm you perhaps missed some of our conversations
19:02 jcamins No, I heard.
19:02 jcamins But you're _also_ a librarian.
19:02 cait we decided yesterday we will wear the hat that fits best ;)
19:02 jcamins What's really weird is what happens when you create a field 545 in your framework.
19:02 cait ok, I am willing to overhaup the marc framework - but not at kohacon
19:02 cait it will take like forever
19:03 jcamins If you add the MARC21 field 545, it's automatically populated with the correct subfields.
19:04 cait huh
19:04 cait hm, a missing line in the sql perhaps?
19:04 jcamins I guess.
19:05 cait yep
19:05 cait the subfields are in the sql script, but the field is missing
19:05 jcamins Ah.
19:06 cait http://spedr.com/3wuj4
19:09 chris here comes the rain
19:09 brendan @wunder 93117
19:09 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.0�C (12:08 PM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
19:09 jcamins bUG 5226
19:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 field 545 missing
19:10 cait chris: hope it will not get too bad
19:23 jcamins If I have "hidden" set to 0 on a subfield in a framework, shouldn't the textbox for entering that subfield be visible when I create a new record with that framework?
19:25 cait is 0 collapsed or !collapsed?
19:27 jcamins The manual says !collapsed
19:34 chris_n ekk
19:34 cait hm
19:34 * chris_n keeps getting credited with the quick spine label feature when it is kyle hall that should get the credit :-(
19:35 cait @karma kyle
19:35 munin cait: Karma for "kyle" has been increased 15 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 15.
19:35 cait kyle++
19:35 chris_n kyle++
19:35 cait :)
19:36 * chris_n actually has thought about adding a browser export option to the label tool to allow output to the browser and css, etc formatting of the labels
19:36 chris_n this might help with the present utf-8 issues in the label tool
19:36 chris antisirk: hope you aren't feeling sick again
19:39 chris anitsirk even
19:39 owen Ooh, a message from on high
19:39 rhcl_away bug 5201
19:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5201 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Patron last name dropped when record edited
19:39 anitsirk hi chris. i am not anti anything. ;-)
19:40 cait hi anitsirk *waves*
19:40 rhcl_away bug 5225
19:40 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5225 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Surname emptied when modifying a borrower attributes
19:40 anitsirk hello cait
19:41 cait mail from john yokley on koha list?
19:42 sekjal yup
19:42 chris Hmmm do I want to look?
19:42 jcamins Um.
19:42 owen Not really
19:42 chris Or is it just more lies
19:42 sekjal apparently, its time for the Koha Software Foundation to be formed
19:42 jcamins What?
19:42 jcamins Am I being dense here, or is there not already a foundation?
19:42 owen sekjal: You mean it's time for PTFS to form the Koha Software Foundation
19:42 sekjal PTFS/LL has decided this, and invites us contact them if we're interested
19:43 owen jcamins: Not already a foundation, no
19:44 jcamins Oh.
19:44 jcamins What's HLT?
19:44 chris Not for profit trust
19:44 chris Wow
19:45 chris Just as I expexted lies
19:45 nengard oh good i'm in time
19:46 jcamins Hi nengard.
19:46 nengard hiya from KY
19:47 chris Land grab
19:47 nengard ?
19:47 chris That's all it is
19:47 reva hi again, can anyone help with entering serial holdings? What exactly does it do when I check manual history in subscription?
19:48 owen I like how he leads with telling us how mean we all are.
19:48 cait you can add older issues there
19:48 chris_n still the old "take charge" approach
19:48 chris_n *sigh*
19:48 cait manipulate it, but koha will put things in there too (afaik)
19:49 chris I hope that no one falls for it
19:49 reva cait: you mean like compress holdings (example: v.2 -v.5, 1975-1978)?
19:49 chris And validates the approach by joining in
19:50 cait your holdings before you started using the serials module
19:50 cait I think koha will add entries for new issues
19:50 sekjal I wonder if the KUDOS email to the LL list kicked this off in any way...
19:50 cait my coworker is working on the serials module - so I am no expert here
19:51 chris Also the committee was not formed to hold assets
19:51 nengard sekjal, i don't know that i got that email - about kudos
19:51 chris Hlt was voted to hold them, subcomittee formed to ask for them back
19:51 nengard just fyi
19:52 * chris_n thinks maybe a answer of resounding silence might be the most effective response
19:52 chris_n s/a/an/
19:52 reva ok, I will try it. I also have questions on advance serial patterns. For example, I am not sure how to enter the Yr {Z} various rows (such as inner count ,set back) ; the example in the FAQ is too cryptic about these two rows.
19:52 chris Yeah
19:53 chris I could fisk it, almost every point is wrong
19:53 reva cait: may be your coworker can help me?
19:53 owen Too late chris_n, I've already responded.
19:53 chris And add that they still are pursuing trademarks
19:53 nengard i think the problem is thinking that Koha is a US thing - it's a worldwide thing
19:53 cait reva: she is not on irc, but I can ask her
19:53 chris And attempted to blackmail us
19:53 chris_n nengard: I tend to agree
19:53 cait perhaps next week - she is not working full time
19:53 nengard and the foundation that is formed - when it's formed needs to be just that
19:53 nengard international
19:54 wizzyrea perhaps someone should send him mat mullenweg's post re: the wp trademark :P
19:54 nengard chris_n this is certainly something we (americans) do in all walks of life, but it's not hard really to learn that we're not the center of the universe
19:54 nengard wizzyrea I'm sure they're watching twitter - quietly - but watching - and saw us all post that
19:55 reva Please do; as I am having problems filling in the patterns. Also, I thought I could avoid this subscription business altogether and manually enter an item record for each issue received under the same bib record. But it does not show 952 $h field at all when I do that!
19:55 chris My stop
19:55 * chris_n heads home
19:55 reva cait: Thanks. I always wait with you till next week, right?:)
19:55 nengard also i think someone needs to share my chapter on community and participation in communities from my open source book - what was defined in that email does not equal participation
19:58 reva sorry cait: I got kicked out. Thanks, I will wait for you to find out. But I was just saying: when I manually create item records for each issue received (thus bypassing subscription creation), on the OPAC under normal view it does not show the 952 $h field (which is serial enumerationa dn chronolgy).
19:59 cait reva: I m at home now - can't do something
20:00 cait about your problem, and too tired to start testing now.
20:00 cait perhaps you can make some example serials, add some issues and take a look how the manual history changes.
20:01 cait reva: w hich version are u using?
20:01 cait we use this field and it shows in our opac
20:01 cait imported records, without serals
20:03 cait reva: an example: https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=5970
20:06 reva cait: Is your leader check for serials and not monograph?
20:06 cait sorry, cant login to this installation from home
20:06 cait but I think the leader is for serials, not sure this should really make a difference here
20:08 chris back
20:08 reva cait: I also think that should not make a difference. But I notice you do not show any MARC view in your OPAC. Would it help me to look at the example in MARC view or the 950s are not shown in the MARC view since they are locally defined?
20:09 cait reva: we are not showing it and I can't login now to change the settings
20:10 cait can not tell you before tomorrow - sorry. perhaps you can try to change the header or someone else can help.
20:11 reva cait: I will wait; I will summarize my issues: 952 $h does not display for under normal view. (It shows when I look at the expanded MARC view). And the advance serial predication pattern poses issues when I enter year Yr {Z}.
20:12 cait reva: you can download the example as marc from the catalog, should give you all fields
20:13 reva cait: I only see Print but no button for saving it in any format.
20:14 reva cait: it is Koha 3.0.6
20:14 cait in our installation
20:14 cait the example I showed you, you can download it there to see the mark fields
20:16 reva cait: I do not see a download button. I can catch you tomorrow as they are closing the office for the day.
20:17 reva Bye for the evening. Thanks cait:
20:17 cait bye reva
20:20 reva caiI see the way to save the MARC format. Again bye for the evening.:)
20:21 reva Oops that was for cait:
20:26 richard hi
20:26 brendan hi richard
20:26 richard hi brendan
20:26 jcamins Hello.
20:27 chris hi richard
20:27 jcamins This is not at all an important question, but what is the significance of the Koha logo?
20:27 jcamins I mean, the real Koha logo.
20:28 larsw hellooo, NZ
20:28 larsw and everyone else
20:28 cait jcamins: you mean what it shows? there is a nice article about htat
20:28 chris oh yeah they changed the logo too
20:29 chris i forgot about that
20:29 jcamins cait: ah, thanks. Found it.
20:30 jcamins chris: sorry, I didn't mean to raise more annoyance.
20:31 cait I have a fern on my desk in the office :)
20:32 cait a present from a coworker, seeing it grows remember me of the logo all the time
20:32 cait seeing it growing remembers me of the logo...
20:32 tomascohe is it safe to change from 'dom' to 'grs1' for auth's indexes in zebra?
20:33 tcohen I've just changed dom references to grs1 in koha-conf.xml
20:33 tcohen and reindexed
20:34 tcohen users reported that newly created auths cannot be linked
20:34 tcohen due to fatal error in koha
20:39 briceSanc hello, Do you know how can i count a sql row ?
20:40 sekjal goodnight, #koha!
20:40 briceSanc is it $dbh->rows ?
20:40 ebegin briceSanc, not $dbh, but your query (sth?)
20:41 briceSanc of course
20:42 ebegin briceSanc, do you have problem with the count function?
20:42 briceSanc and when there is no results (no rows), he must return '0' or '-1'
20:42 briceSanc yes
20:42 ebegin should be 0
20:43 ebegin you probably know that it has to be call after your execute (just in case)
20:43 briceSanc yes
20:43 ebegin briceSanc, what is your problem?
20:44 briceSanc i want to check if there is records or not
20:44 briceSanc with an if/elsif/else<
20:44 briceSanc condition
20:44 briceSanc but the condition doesnt works
20:45 ebegin have you checked your log file? maybe there is a problem with your query?
20:45 briceSanc no the query is good
20:46 briceSanc because my "else" works
20:46 ebegin do you want to paste your code in pastebin.ca or any other site?
20:50 briceSanc i'm learning Perl and with your answer i know that the problem is not the "->rows" but certainely my condition. I'm not allowed to paste my code, i'm sorry, i need to ask my project manager before and he isnt here
20:50 ebegin no problem.
20:51 chris hello hdl
20:51 hdl hi chris
20:51 hdl how are you ?
20:52 chris a little frustrated and sad, but otherwise ok
20:52 ebegin briceSanc, it's ->rows(), not ->rows
20:59 ivanc good night #koha
21:05 briceSanc ebegin, Hahahaha my problem was $var == 'test' insted of $var eq 'test'
21:06 briceSanc and row() ;0
21:06 ebegin I did this errors tons of time too :) Congrats!
21:06 briceSanc thks for your help
21:06 briceSanc i go home
21:06 briceSanc bye
21:33 cait good night all
21:33 chris morning jo
21:38 wizzyrea hi jo
21:44 brendan ok weather check time -
21:44 brendan @wunder 93117
21:44 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.9�C (2:44 PM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
21:44 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
21:44 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.0�C (4:47 PM CDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect until midnight CDT tonight...
21:48 brendan flash flood you always get the best (errr... worst) weather warnings
21:50 chris @wunder wellington nz
21:50 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
21:58 nengard chris_n++
21:59 chris oh snap!