Time  Nick       Message
01:09 robin      http://techrights.org/2008/11/07/ms-open-source-xenophobia/ <-- well, at least they're not sponsoring KohaCon :D
01:12 chris      heh
01:13 wasabi     yeah, and we think we've got it bad....
01:14 chris      well theres a fairly simple solution, dont take their money
01:14 wasabi     ... and dont give them yours too
01:14 chris      :)
01:15 wasabi     the windows-tax... that was genuis!
01:16 wasabi     even if the box doesnt run windows, we are going to charge you for that box anyway...
01:16 robin      yeah, they've got a good scheme going
01:17 wasabi     PAID ME!!, PAID ME!! (joe pesci in 'good fellas' )
01:17 wasabi     s/PAID/PAY/g
01:18 robin      I was thinking more "Feed me, Seymore" from Little Shop of Horrors.
01:20 wasabi     nah, def. this one -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc
01:24 robin      yeah, that seems appropriate
01:26 wasabi     actually, im thinking of another scene, were they 'visit' laury? with the hair-piece...
01:27 robin      I haven't seen that movie in approximately forever.
01:27 * robin    adds it to my movie rental queue
01:28 wasabi     wow. some crazy soft-rock metal on nat.radio!
01:28 robin      I need my loud power metal to get work done today
01:29 wasabi     http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/national/adaptive.asx
01:29 wasabi     not bad lag... ;)
01:30 wasabi     aaah , queensryche , he he...
01:30 robin      Hah, I have a Queensr�che album
01:30 robin      somewhere
01:31 wasabi     haaay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensrÿche
01:31 wasabi     im sure they've upgraded the umlauts!
01:32 robin      Ah, Operation Mindcrime is the one I think I have. I haven't listened to it in a while though.
01:32 wasabi     ... trademark issues, perhaps?
01:32 robin      As far as I know, it's always been with the �
01:33 robin      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queensryche_album_cover.jpg <-- from 1983
01:34 wasabi     $ whois queens-ryche.com
01:34 wasabi     oooh, available!!
01:35 robin      so is queensr�che.com :)
01:35 robin      (or XN--QUEENSRCHE-EFB.COM as it's otherwise known)
02:10 wasabi     telstra have got some weird proxy-caching stuff happening today
02:11 wasabi     stuff = problems
02:12 robin      telstra has been quite broken in the past few days. I saw a great ping trace from earlier today that showed it being slow, and there was about 50% packet loss last night,.
02:14 chris      yeah, ive been falling on and off irc
02:14 chris      yesterday and the day before
02:16 robin      they did some "up"grades, I hear.
02:16 chris      they need a regression status
02:17 chris      :)
02:17 robin      heh
02:49 ebegin     hey #koha!
02:49 ebegin     (or what left at that time) :)
02:50 ebegin     Anybody knows where I can get a good comparison of ILS features?
02:56 chris      not me
02:57 robin      It's probably pretty tricky to find an unbiased list out there. I haven't seen one, but I haven't looked, either.
03:10 Amit       heya chris
03:13 chris      hi Amit
04:21 ivanc      good morning #koha
06:07 cait       good morning all :)
06:08 magnus     g'day #koha
06:13 cait       morning magnus :)
06:13 magnus     guten morgen cait
06:15 cait       magnus: can you cross your fingers for me? I have to do the online test for my distance study now - the last thing I need to register for the exam in this course
06:15 magnus     cait: fingers crossed! what course?
06:15 cait       xml
06:16 cait       xml, dtd, xml schema, xpath, xquery, xslt and xsl-fo
06:23 magnus     sounds like fun! and you still have doubts about being a developer? ;-)
06:30 ivanc      good morning #koha
06:32 magnus     good morning ivanc
06:32 magnus     yay! http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-1issue-9-september-2010/
06:32 ivanc      good morning magnus
06:45 cait       magnus: hmpf.
06:45 cait       :)
06:45 magnus     hehe
06:45 cait       magnus: thx - 98% in the multiple choice test - now I can write the mail and register
06:45 magnus     wow - cool!
06:46 * magnus   wanders off in search of breakfast
09:16 chris      magnus: you about?
09:17 magnus     chris: yup
09:17 cait       magnus++
09:17 chris      just read your blog post
09:17 cait       blog post? :)
09:17 chris      heres the example i use
09:17 chris      when ppl say koha is for small libraries
09:17 magnus     about big koha libraries?
09:17 chris      http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=38423
09:18 stephane1  francharb: hello françois, as-tu le temps pour discuter deux  minutes avec skype, c'est au sujet du guide de param ini
09:18 francharb  stephane1: 2min
09:19 stephane1  francharb: oui c pas long mais plus simle à l'oral
09:19 magnus     "The collection of the library contains 1416609 volumes. The library circulates 1177015 items per year." Cool! I must remember to include that in my future post about big koha libraries!
09:20 chris      :)
09:22 magnus     thanks chris
09:23 stephane1  francharb: il a été convenu avec paul et laurence d'insérer dans le guide apres chaque présentation du paramètre un renvoi vers le document "formulaires de paramétrage (tableur avec une feuille par paramètres), j'avais commencé à faire cela sur le document qu'avait fait nicolas (cf sous descartes/gestion projet_stephane_y document reunion orientation suivi projet;et ensuite j'ai appris que tu faisais un doc de param ini; ; l'idé
09:24 francharb  stephane1: t'es pas sur le chan de biblibre, c'est un chan public
09:24 francharb  passe sur biblibvre
09:24 laurence   stephane1 t'es pas sur le bon chan
09:29 chris      magnus: http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=29869
09:30 chris      http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=29840
09:30 chris      and my favourite
09:30 chris      http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=927
09:31 chris      that one only has 7 million volumes
09:31 magnus     heh
09:33 chris      awesome :(
09:33 chris      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4132085/Massive-storm-heading-for-New-Zealand
09:34 magnus     "storm the size of Australia" :-( betterget that sort of thing over and done with before kohacon...
09:34 chris      Blustery conditions would affect the entire North Island with severe gales likely about Wellington, Wairarapa and the tops of ranges, Mr Duncan said.
09:35 cait       :(
09:37 larsw      chris, um, I hope you all will be ok
09:39 chris      pretty much happens at least once a year, my fence might blow over .. that happened last time, but thats probably about it
09:40 chris      and i totally forgot to email you
09:45 cait       ok, time to go to work
09:45 cait       bbl :)
09:45 larsw      so you did
09:45 larsw      I have a little time now... what was the question?
09:46 chris      ahh, just was trying to work out a rule of thumb for adding to the copyright statement, ie, 3 lines or more .. 10 characters .. :)
09:47 chris      or any change other than whitespace
09:47 larsw      ah, that is a good question for each country's copyright judges :)
09:47 chris      :)
09:48 larsw      I would add it whenever applying a patch that can be considered to have required creativity of some sort
09:48 chris      ah yep, thats a good idea
09:48 larsw      i.e., just fixing a typo does not warrant a new copyright statement, but adding a new feature does
09:48 larsw      between those there is a large grey area where your guess is as good as mine
09:50 chris      *nod*
09:50 larsw      many people consider it prudent to add one if there's doubt
09:50 chris      seems the safest course
09:51 larsw      but that's because we all live in fear of people using assault lawyers in jurisdictions with punitive damages
09:51 chris      yeah
10:18 magnus     chris: thanks for providing me with some great examples: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flibriotech.no%2Fnode%2F74&tl=en
10:19 magnus     if there are any more good ones, i'll add them
10:19 chris      hmm, twitter is doubling up for you
10:19 chris      one from twitterfeed and one from facebook
10:19 kf         hi again #koha
10:19 magnus     ah, that would do it
10:19 chris      hi kf
10:20 magnus     hi kf
10:59 * kf       shares some cookies
11:03 kf         gmcharlt: around?
11:03 gmcharlt   hi kf
11:03 kf         hi :)
11:04 kf         can you say something about 3.2? I saw that Colin send a patch for the blocker bug.
11:05 kf         looking at my calendar and wondering if we will be able to update our library before kohacon
11:05 gmcharlt   yes - I'll check out Colin's patch later today
11:06 kf         thx :)
11:06 * gmcharlt wanders off to make tea - afk for a bit
11:08 kf         tea is a good idea
11:19 hdl        hi gmcharlt
11:28 ivanc      hi kf :)
11:29 kf         hi ivanc and hdl )
11:34 ivanc      kf any advice about RSWK?
11:35 kf         ivanc: some notes perhaps
11:36 kf         ivanc: http://www.d-nb.de/standardisierung/formate/marc21.htm MARC21 at the DNB
11:37 kf         ivanc: here is something about rswk in marc21 http://www.d-nb.de/standardisierung/pdf/rswk_in_marc_21.pdf
11:37 magnus     and for the rest of us: what is rswk? ;-)
11:38 kf         ivanc: we use a little program to convert the subject chains in 689 to single subjects, facetted search does not know about 689 - only about the 6xx fields from the marc21 standard
11:38 kf         Regel für die Schlagwortkatalogisierung
11:39 kf         magnus: uh, not easy to explain. something like loc headings - rules for cataloging the content of a work
11:39 magnus     i see!
11:39 kf         magnus: using subject chains (schlagwortketten) and a controlled vocabulary
11:41 kf         magnus: you can match the different types to 6xx fields, but Koha can't really deal with the chains at the moment. It works much better with single subjects
11:41 ivanc      magnus: about a question from  yesterday
11:42 ivanc      kf: tnks a lot
11:42 magnus     schlagwortketten - that sounds painful somehow...
11:42 ivanc      magnus: true :)
11:44 kf         ivanc: we have authorities loaded into koha, what you need to know is, that the control number of the authority needs to be in $9 instead of $0, and you need to make koha use the 001 from the authority record as auth_header.authid
11:44 kf         ivanc: authid is numeric... so we kill the last number of the authority control numbery everywhere (can be X)
11:44 kf         if you do all that, it works quite good
11:44 kf         you can see it in our catalogs
11:45 kf         ivanc: koha can't expand the search to the see and see also fields, so you need to use the specia authority search to find those
11:45 kf         ivanc: but if you find one title with your subject you can click on the link, it will search with the control number and find all other titles
11:45 ivanc      kf: tnks!!!!
11:46 kf         hope my explanations were understandable :)
11:46 ivanc      kf: yet I was only interested  if applicable
11:46 kf         ok... :)
11:47 kf         yeah, with some limits yes
11:47 ivanc      kf: with some limits is better as no :)
11:47 kf         perhaps check one of our teacher libraries, the marc view is active there and you can see better what we did to the records
11:48 kf         in fact I would say using single subjects will work, using subject chains will need some work
11:49 kf         ivanc: here is one example with single rswk subjects: https://seminar-stuttgart.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=13758
11:50 kf         magnus: and you are right, the schlagwortketten are painful
11:51 kf         magnus: und using a local field like 689 seems not like a real good solution to me, but at least there is a standard way to do it
12:37 schuster   something going on with workbuffer.org and koha-community.org or just me?
12:39 kf         schuster: I can reach both
12:39 schuster   ok thanks
12:46 owen       Okay, first patch with a copyright addition sent.
12:56 brendan    morning all
12:57 owen       Hi brendan
12:58 brendan    heya owen
12:58 * owen     just learned about this: http://www.libanywhere.com/
12:58 * owen     heard from a Koha library which is testing it
12:58 Braedon    Currently, LibraryAnywhere only supports Google Chrome, Apple Safari, or Mozilla FireFox 3.6 (or higher)
12:58 * Braedon  is on firefox 4.0
12:59 Braedon    is 4.0 not higher than 3.6 anymore?
13:02 Braedon    most not at all
13:02 Braedon    can't work out what it is supposed to be
13:03 Braedon    but whenever i go to it, and sometimes to google.co.nz as well, it has it
13:03 Braedon    it detects i am in NZ, as it has a Go to Google New Zealand link
13:03 Braedon    but gives me it regardless
13:05 Braedon    apparently it is Cherokee http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/5042/google-what-language-is-chr-and-why-is-my-homepage-set-there
13:06 Braedon    which makes absolutely no sense. Why does it think i want Cherokee?
13:06 Braedon    anywho, sorry for the offtopic. been bugging me a while...
13:09 OpenUser   Hello, I have the following problem when checking out an item
13:09 OpenUser   No branchcode argument to new.  Should be C4::Calendar->new(branchcode => $branchcode) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 2411
13:09 OpenUser   Koha version 3.06 - any ideas?
13:16 Braedon    if i remember correctly that was a bug in 3.06 - need to change that $branchcode to $branch
13:16 Braedon    or something like that...
13:16 Braedon    it was 9 months ago
13:16 Braedon    anyone else remember it?
13:17 OpenUser   oh...maybe I'll check the bug DB.....thanks for the pointer.
13:17 Braedon    looking at the current git, looks like it has been changed to $branch http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=034a8d6d4bc3f94783dc25da870ee9f125870fcf;hb=HEAD#l2542
13:21 OpenUser   Great.....will I be OK just changing that in the circulation.pm file or do you think there will be other places that need changing?
13:32 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:32 tcohen     hi all, i'm having some issues with authorities searching
13:32 tcohen     specifically "auth_finder.pl: oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Any Bib-1"
13:33 tcohen     when searching "anywhere"
13:33 tcohen     I know this has been an issue several times
13:34 tcohen     but can't find doc on that so it can be fixed (forever)
13:42 OpenUser   My circulation.pm is already set to $branch ??
13:43 jcamins    tcohen: Did you try reindexing?
13:44 tcohen     jcamins: yes
13:44 tcohen     several times
13:45 tcohen     jcamins: should it work out.-of-the-box?
13:46 tcohen     i'm on 3.0.6, btw
13:46 kf         hi jcamins :)
13:47 tcohen     should an 'Any' attribute be defined in authorities/etc/bib1.att ?
14:00 jcamins    tcohen: sorry about the delay. I'm not sure. We're using 3.1.143.
14:00 tcohen     jcaminsS: thanks
14:00 tcohen     i'll be trying to figure it out
14:02 jcamins    http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-07-19
14:03 jcamins    tcohen: ^^ it's like a virtual gmcharlt suggesting how to fix it :)
14:04 tcohen     :-D
14:05 jcamins    Bug 3072
14:05 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
14:06 jcamins    tcohen: ^^ that might fix it
14:07 jcamins    Eventually I'll remember to ping you on the messages I send, rather than right after.
14:13 OpenUser   Hey, does anyone know what the holdingbranch column is in the items table? I see the problem I am having is because my holdingbranch and some homebranch are NULL, but before I do an update on the table I would like to know what I'm changing!!
14:13 sekjal     OpenUser:  homebranch is the branchcode of the library that owns the material.  Holdingbranch is the branchcode of the library that current has it
14:13 sekjal     often, they're the same
14:13 sekjal     unless the item was transferred
14:14 OpenUser   Thanks, its a single branch library so there shouldn't be any problems updating the table and setting them both to the branch code??
14:15 sekjal     if you've only the one branch, then yes, that makes life much simpler
14:16 sekjal     if you change the items table directly, you'll need to resync the MARC before the info will show up properly in the Zebra index, though
14:17 ebegin     Quick question:  as far as I can tell, there is no table in Koha to keep track of claims, right?
14:17 sekjal     ebegin: don't know of one
14:18 OpenUser   Thanks.....can you explain what you mean by Resync the MARC?
14:19 sekjal     the Zebra index gets all it's information from the MARC record, including item information
14:19 sekjal     if you manually change the database values, the MARC fields don't get changed
14:20 sekjal     so you need to run the script /misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl
14:20 sekjal     then reindex
14:20 OpenUser   Great....that makes sense....thanks for your help
14:20 * owen     really thought there was already a bug report for Bug 5220...
14:20 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5220 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, subjects with xslt on only search first part
14:20 sekjal     OpenUser: glad to be of service!
14:23 jwagner    owen, there is, but it's misleadingly named.  Looking for it now.
14:23 owen       Thanks jwagner, I was about to ask you. I remembered the bug as having your comments
14:24 jwagner    Is collum online? He wrote a partial fix for it.
14:25 kf         ebegin: perhaps in one of the logs, there is letter log for claims
14:26 kf         ebegin: I am not sure if it's actually doing something and if yes - serials or acq?
14:26 ebegin     kf, good catch.  I'll check if it's use and if I could use that
14:27 kf         ebegin: :)
14:27 ebegin     kf++
14:27 ebegin     (you deserve it)
14:27 jwagner    owen, Bug 4276 -- someone marked it as Fixed but it's only partially fixed.
14:27 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms
14:27 kf         thx :)
14:28 owen       marked as fixed just a few days ago. Timely :)
14:28 ebegin     kf, it's even better than I thought.  The generated message is logged!
14:29 kf         for which module?
14:29 jwagner    I haven't had time to go back and work on 4276 any, to try to strip out the parens & other special chars.  When I tried earlier, I wasn't able to figure out how to do it.
14:30 kf         jwagner: perhaps I can take a look some time - I think perhaps translate()
14:35 owen       jwagner: It looks like it is indeed working in 3.0.6. I'll compare the XSL files to see if I can see what's going on
14:43 collum     jwagner: I'm here.  But it doesn't look like you need me anymore.  :)
14:44 owen       The fix in 3.0.6 works for HEAD, although it doesn't give us the same kind of fine-grained links in the normal display (being able to search on separate parts of the chained subject)
14:44 jwagner    Awwww.  We always need you collum!
14:47 collum     Thanks.  I meant it looked like your question was answered.
14:47 jwagner    Yes, but I couldn't pass up the opening :-)
14:49 * collum   turns red
14:49 owen       Oh no, he's furious with you for summoning him without cause!
14:50 * owen     cowers
14:50 jwagner    Avaunt!
14:53 * collum   finds the imprecise English language fascinating.
14:58 sekjal     okay, really?  DelItem doesn't check to see if the item is currently issued?  I just get a FIXME line?
14:58 brendan    @wunder 93117
14:58 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.6�C (7:57 AM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
15:00 sekjal     okay, bug 3597 seems to address this
15:00 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, "Delete all items" doesn't check issues
15:03 owen       Anyone want to sign off on this patch for Bug 4276?
15:03 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms
15:04 sekjal     owen:  I'll pull, test, and sign off
15:05 owen       I don't have a public repo but I can email a patch
15:05 sekjal     if you attach it to the bug report, I can wget it onto my server
15:05 owen       Okay
15:06 kf         owen: I want to test too - we have a different subject subfield structure I think
15:11 owen       My patch is now attached to the bug report. It doesn't include the author-handling changes from the original patch
15:16 kf         ok, will try to test tomorrow
15:21 sekjal     owen: I've got your patch onto my system, and will test soon
15:42 ebegin     Is there an exim doctor in the room? :)
16:42 wizzyrea   very quiet.
16:44 brendan    booo
16:48 cait       @wunder Konstanz
16:48 munin      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.3�C (6:52 PM CEST on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
16:49 owen       @wunder 45701
16:49 munin      owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 24.4�C (12:50 PM EDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady).
16:50 cait       owen: 24.4 sounds nice
16:50 owen       Looks that way through my window at least
16:53 moodaepo   @wunder 56001
16:53 munin      moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 16.3�C (11:57 AM CDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Rising).
16:55 brendan    @wunder 93117
16:55 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (9:57 AM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
17:00 wizzyrea   what button causes "forced branchtransfer"
17:00 wizzyrea   in the branchtransfers table
17:00 wizzyrea   "how does that status get assigned" I mean
17:12 jcamins    Does anyone use Koha for creating MARC-AMC records?
17:16 jcamins    Or any type of record under archival control.
17:23 jcamins    How do I make a hidden text input visible using jquery?
17:24 wizzyrea   .show()
17:24 wizzyrea   I think
17:24 wizzyrea   instead of .hide()
17:25 cait       hm or perhaps change the attribute
17:25 cait       so it's not hidden but something else
17:27 tcohen     jcamins: the problem got resolved when I switched to grs1 for authorities!
17:28 tcohen     there's something wrong with 'dom'
17:28 tcohen     it shouldn't be suggested as prefered during install
17:34 jcamins    cait, wizzyrea: for future reference, the second suggestion works: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/540851/jquery-change-element-type-from-hidden-to-input
17:35 cait       cool :)
17:35 wizzyrea   cool.
17:35 wizzyrea   I'm in a bit of a funk today.
17:36 * jcamins  looks for a cookie to offer wizzyrea
17:36 wizzyrea   :) thanks. The cookies always help. :)
17:38 jcamins    Comments on bug 2567?
17:38 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2567 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 008 editor falsely populating Illustrations and Nature of Contents positions
17:39 jcamins    i.e. is there a reason not to just make those textboxes?
17:40 cait       cookie?
17:40 * jcamins  looks around some more, searching for the secret cookie stash that he is sure he should have.
17:41 * jwagner  wants cookies too....
17:42 jcamins    Does anyone know how to to filter for more than one name in jQuery?
17:42 * wizzyrea has a stash of white chocolate-butterscotch-habanero cookies here somewhere...
17:42 jcamins    Oooh.
17:43 wizzyrea   http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/habanero-cookies/Detail.aspx
17:43 jcamins    That sounds amazing.
17:43 jcamins    Thanks!
17:43 wizzyrea   added the white choc and butterscotch, of course
17:45 cait       jcamins: what do you want to do?
17:45 cait       name or id?
17:45 * larsw    says yay for non-laxative sugarless cookies
17:46 jcamins    cait: by name.
17:46 jcamins    I want to select both f1821 and f2427.
17:46 cait       hmm!
17:46 cait       you sure those numbers never change?
17:47 jcamins    "or" does not work.
17:47 jcamins    Yep.
17:47 cait       |?
17:47 jcamins    Nope. Not '||' either.
17:48 cait       comma separating
17:48 cait       http://api.jquery.com/multiple-selector/
17:49 jcamins    It thinks the comma is part of the name. :(
17:50 jcamins    Wait! I know! Maybe I can use the entire expression.
17:50 jcamins    Yay!
17:50 jcamins    cait++
17:51 jcamins    $("input[name='f1821'],input[name='f2427']").each(function(){
17:51 cait       aah karma :)
17:51 cait       cool :)
17:51 cait       the each is something I have not figured out yet
17:51 cait       @karma cait
17:51 munin      cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 22 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 22.
17:52 cait       although I still think we should rename karma to cookie :)
17:52 jcamins    :)
17:52 jcamins    @karma jcamins
17:52 munin      jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12.
17:52 jcamins    12 cookies! :D
17:52 cait       @karma kf
17:52 munin      cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26.
17:53 cait       hm, have different identities any influence on the calories?
17:53 jcamins    That depends... is the goal to gain weight or lose weight? ;)
17:54 ccurry     Hello, everyone.
17:54 jcamins    Hello.
17:54 ccurry     Can somebody tell me whether Koha's MySQL database is using InnoDB or MyISAM?
17:55 jcamins    I think InnoDB, but that's just off the top of my head.
17:55 jcamins    You'd be better off checking with someone who knows.
17:56 ccurry     I've been googling this, but can't find a way to query the database to find out.
17:56 jcamins    InnoDB.
17:56 ccurry     Wait...are you sure now, then?
17:57 jcamins    Yes.
17:57 ccurry     OK.  Thanks.
17:57 jcamins    You're welcome.
17:57 jcamins    I just looked in the kohastructure.sql file.
17:57 wasabi     http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/13/michael_stonebraker_interview/
17:58 wasabi     interesting...
18:04 wasabi     @tell wasabi  moo
18:04 wasabi     @tell ccurry mysql> show create table biblio\G
18:04 munin      wasabi: Error: I haven't seen ccurry, I'll let you do the telling.
18:05 owen       I think it's "@later tell <username>"
18:05 wasabi     @later tell wasabi moo
18:05 munin      wasabi: The operation succeeded.
18:06 wasabi     @later tell ccurry mysql> show create table biblio\G
18:06 munin      wasabi: The operation succeeded.
18:06 wasabi     ta owen
18:11 ivanc      see you #koha
18:52 jcamins    Can someone confirm that field 545 is missing from the default MARC framework?
18:53 owen       It's not in mine
18:54 jcamins    Bugzilla, here I come!
18:55 chris      jcamins: you should add the new RDA fields while you are changing the framework :)
18:56 cait       jcamins: and the fields added for Germany/mab2
18:56 chris      or at least make a RDA framework which is the default, but with http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC29.html
18:57 chris      336, 337, and 338 are the new ones, to replace 245h
18:58 jcamins    I think at the moment I'm just adding 545 to my Archives framework.
18:58 chris      :)
18:58 jcamins    And I'll submit a bug so that the next person who wonders will see that it's a known issue.
19:00 jcamins    Aren't wasabi and cait going to be overhauling the default framework at KohaCon?
19:00 cait       can't we make some librarians do it? *hides*
19:01 jcamins    cait: you _are_ a librarian. :D
19:02 cait       no, I am a developer
19:02 jcamins    Okay, that's *really* weird.
19:02 cait       ask magnus
19:02 cait       hm you perhaps missed some of our conversations
19:02 jcamins    No, I heard.
19:02 jcamins    But you're _also_ a librarian.
19:02 cait       we decided yesterday we will wear the hat that fits best ;)
19:02 jcamins    What's really weird is what happens when you create a field 545 in your framework.
19:02 cait       ok, I am willing to overhaup the marc framework - but not at kohacon
19:02 cait       it will take like forever
19:03 jcamins    If you add the MARC21 field 545, it's automatically populated with the correct subfields.
19:04 cait       huh
19:04 cait       hm, a missing line in the sql perhaps?
19:04 jcamins    I guess.
19:05 cait       yep
19:05 cait       the subfields are in the sql script, but the field is missing
19:05 jcamins    Ah.
19:06 cait       http://spedr.com/3wuj4
19:09 chris      here comes the rain
19:09 brendan    @wunder 93117
19:09 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.0�C (12:08 PM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
19:09 jcamins    bUG 5226
19:09 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, MARC21 field 545 missing
19:10 cait       chris: hope it will not get too bad
19:23 jcamins    If I have "hidden" set to 0 on a subfield in a framework, shouldn't the textbox for entering that subfield be visible when I create a new record with that framework?
19:25 cait       is 0 collapsed or !collapsed?
19:27 jcamins    The manual says !collapsed
19:34 chris_n    ekk
19:34 cait       hm
19:34 * chris_n  keeps getting credited with the quick spine label feature when it is kyle hall that should get the credit :-(
19:35 cait       @karma kyle
19:35 munin      cait: Karma for "kyle" has been increased 15 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 15.
19:35 cait       kyle++
19:35 chris_n    kyle++
19:35 cait       :)
19:36 * chris_n  actually has thought about adding a browser export option to the label tool to allow output to the browser and css, etc formatting of the labels
19:36 chris_n    this might help with the present utf-8 issues in the label tool
19:36 chris      antisirk: hope you aren't feeling sick again
19:39 chris      anitsirk even
19:39 owen       Ooh, a message from on high
19:39 rhcl_away  bug 5201
19:39 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5201 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Patron last name dropped when record edited
19:39 anitsirk   hi chris. i am not anti anything. ;-)
19:40 cait       hi anitsirk *waves*
19:40 rhcl_away  bug 5225
19:40 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5225 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Surname emptied when modifying a borrower attributes
19:40 anitsirk   hello cait
19:41 cait       mail from john yokley on koha list?
19:42 sekjal     yup
19:42 chris      Hmmm do I want to look?
19:42 jcamins    Um.
19:42 owen       Not really
19:42 chris      Or is it just more lies
19:42 sekjal     apparently, its time for the Koha Software Foundation to be formed
19:42 jcamins    What?
19:42 jcamins    Am I being dense here, or is there not already a foundation?
19:42 owen       sekjal: You mean it's time for PTFS to form the Koha Software Foundation
19:42 sekjal     PTFS/LL has decided this, and invites us contact them if we're interested
19:43 owen       jcamins: Not already a foundation, no
19:44 jcamins    Oh.
19:44 jcamins    What's HLT?
19:44 chris      Not for profit trust
19:44 chris      Wow
19:45 chris      Just as I expexted lies
19:45 nengard    oh good i'm in time
19:46 jcamins    Hi nengard.
19:46 nengard    hiya from KY
19:47 chris      Land grab
19:47 nengard    ?
19:47 chris      That's all it is
19:47 reva       hi again, can anyone help with entering serial holdings? What exactly does it do when I check manual history in subscription?
19:48 owen       I like how he leads with telling us how mean we all are.
19:48 cait       you can add older issues there
19:48 chris_n    still the old "take charge" approach
19:48 chris_n    *sigh*
19:48 cait       manipulate it, but koha will put things in there too (afaik)
19:49 chris      I hope that no one falls for it
19:49 reva       cait: you mean like compress holdings (example: v.2 -v.5, 1975-1978)?
19:49 chris      And validates the approach by joining in
19:50 cait       your holdings before you started using the serials module
19:50 cait       I think koha will add entries for new issues
19:50 sekjal     I wonder if the KUDOS email to the LL list kicked this off in any way...
19:50 cait       my coworker is working on the serials module - so I am no expert here
19:51 chris      Also the committee was not formed to hold assets
19:51 nengard    sekjal, i don't know that i got that email - about kudos
19:51 chris      Hlt was voted to hold them, subcomittee formed to ask for them back
19:51 nengard    just fyi
19:52 * chris_n  thinks maybe a answer of resounding silence might be the most effective response
19:52 chris_n    s/a/an/
19:52 reva       ok, I will try it. I also have questions on advance serial patterns. For example, I am not sure how to enter the Yr {Z} various rows (such as inner count ,set back) ; the example in the FAQ is too cryptic about these two rows.
19:52 chris      Yeah
19:53 chris      I could fisk it, almost every point is wrong
19:53 reva       cait: may be your coworker can help me?
19:53 owen       Too late chris_n, I've already responded.
19:53 chris      And add that they still are pursuing trademarks
19:53 nengard    i think the problem is thinking that Koha is a US thing - it's a worldwide thing
19:53 cait       reva: she is not on irc, but I can ask her
19:53 chris      And attempted to blackmail us
19:53 chris_n    nengard: I tend to agree
19:53 cait       perhaps next week - she is not working full time
19:53 nengard    and the foundation that is formed - when it's formed needs to be just that
19:53 nengard    international
19:54 wizzyrea   perhaps someone should send him mat mullenweg's post re: the wp trademark :P
19:54 nengard    chris_n this is certainly something we (americans) do in all walks of life, but it's not hard really to learn that we're not the center of the universe
19:54 nengard    wizzyrea I'm sure they're watching twitter - quietly - but watching - and saw us all post that
19:55 reva       Please do; as I am having problems filling in the patterns. Also, I thought I could avoid this subscription business altogether and manually enter an item record for each issue received under the same bib record. But it does not show 952 $h field at all when I do that!
19:55 chris      My stop
19:55 * chris_n  heads home
19:55 reva       cait: Thanks. I always wait with you till next week, right?:)
19:55 nengard    also i think someone needs to share my chapter on community and participation in communities from my open source book - what was defined in that email does not equal participation
19:58 reva       sorry cait: I got kicked out. Thanks, I will wait for you to find out. But I was just saying: when I manually create item records for each issue received (thus bypassing subscription creation), on the OPAC under normal view it does not show the 952 $h field (which is serial enumerationa dn chronolgy).
19:59 cait       reva: I m at home now - can't do something
20:00 cait       about your problem, and too tired to start testing now.
20:00 cait       perhaps you can make some example serials, add some issues and take a look how the manual history changes.
20:01 cait       reva: w hich version are u using?
20:01 cait       we use this field and it shows in our opac
20:01 cait       imported records, without serals
20:03 cait       reva: an example: https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=5970
20:06 reva       cait: Is your leader check for serials and not monograph?
20:06 cait       sorry, cant login to this installation from home
20:06 cait       but I think the leader is for serials, not sure this should really make a difference here
20:08 chris      back
20:08 reva       cait: I also think that should not make a difference. But I notice you do not show any MARC view in your OPAC. Would it help me to look at the example in MARC view or the 950s are not shown in the MARC view since they are locally defined?
20:09 cait       reva: we are not showing it and I can't login now to change the settings
20:10 cait       can not tell you before tomorrow - sorry. perhaps you can try to change the header or someone else can help.
20:11 reva       cait: I will wait; I will summarize my issues: 952 $h does not display for under normal view. (It shows when I look at the expanded MARC view). And the advance serial predication pattern poses issues when I enter year Yr {Z}.
20:12 cait       reva: you can download the example as marc from the catalog, should give you all fields
20:13 reva       cait: I only see Print but no button for saving it in any format.
20:14 reva       cait: it is Koha  3.0.6
20:14 cait       in our installation
20:14 cait       the example I showed you, you can download it there to see the mark fields
20:16 reva       cait:  I do not see a download button. I can catch you tomorrow as they are closing the office for the day.
20:17 reva       Bye for the evening. Thanks cait:
20:17 cait       bye reva
20:20 reva       caiI see the way to save the MARC format. Again bye for the evening.:)
20:21 reva       Oops that was for cait:
20:26 richard    hi
20:26 brendan    hi richard
20:26 richard    hi brendan
20:26 jcamins    Hello.
20:27 chris      hi richard
20:27 jcamins    This is not at all an important question, but what is the significance of the Koha logo?
20:27 jcamins    I mean, the real Koha logo.
20:28 larsw      hellooo, NZ
20:28 larsw      and everyone else
20:28 cait       jcamins: you mean what it shows? there is a nice article about htat
20:28 chris      oh yeah they changed the logo too
20:29 chris      i forgot about that
20:29 jcamins    cait: ah, thanks. Found it.
20:30 jcamins    chris: sorry, I didn't mean to raise more annoyance.
20:31 cait       I have a fern on my desk in the office :)
20:32 cait       a present from a coworker, seeing it grows remember me of the logo all the time
20:32 cait       seeing it growing remembers me of the logo...
20:32 tomascohe  is it safe to change from 'dom' to 'grs1' for auth's indexes in zebra?
20:33 tcohen     I've just changed dom references to grs1 in koha-conf.xml
20:33 tcohen     and reindexed
20:34 tcohen     users reported that newly created auths cannot be linked
20:34 tcohen     due to fatal error in koha
20:39 briceSanc  hello, Do you know how can i count a sql row ?
20:40 sekjal     goodnight, #koha!
20:40 briceSanc  is it $dbh->rows ?
20:40 ebegin     briceSanc, not $dbh, but your query (sth?)
20:41 briceSanc  of course
20:42 ebegin     briceSanc, do you have problem with the count function?
20:42 briceSanc  and when there is no results (no rows), he must return '0' or '-1'
20:42 briceSanc  yes
20:42 ebegin     should be 0
20:43 ebegin     you probably know that it has to be call after your execute (just in case)
20:43 briceSanc  yes
20:43 ebegin     briceSanc, what is your problem?
20:44 briceSanc  i want to check if there is records or not
20:44 briceSanc  with an if/elsif/else<
20:44 briceSanc  condition
20:44 briceSanc  but the condition doesnt works
20:45 ebegin     have you checked your log file? maybe there is a problem with your query?
20:45 briceSanc  no the query is good
20:46 briceSanc  because my "else" works
20:46 ebegin     do you want to paste your code in pastebin.ca or any other site?
20:50 briceSanc  i'm learning Perl and with your answer i know that the problem is not the "->rows" but certainely my condition. I'm not allowed to paste my code, i'm sorry, i need to ask my project manager before and he isnt here
20:50 ebegin     no problem.
20:51 chris      hello hdl
20:51 hdl        hi chris
20:51 hdl        how are you ?
20:52 chris      a little frustrated and sad, but otherwise ok
20:52 ebegin     briceSanc, it's ->rows(), not ->rows
20:59 ivanc      good night #koha
21:05 briceSanc  ebegin, Hahahaha my problem was $var == 'test' insted of $var eq 'test'
21:06 briceSanc  and row() ;0
21:06 ebegin     I did this errors tons of time too :)  Congrats!
21:06 briceSanc  thks for your help
21:06 briceSanc  i go home
21:06 briceSanc  bye
21:33 cait       good night all
21:33 chris      morning jo
21:38 wizzyrea   hi jo
21:44 brendan    ok weather check time -
21:44 brendan    @wunder 93117
21:44 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.9�C (2:44 PM PDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
21:44 wizzyrea   @wunder 66047
21:44 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.0�C (4:47 PM CDT on September 15, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising).  Flash Flood Watch in effect until midnight CDT tonight... 
21:48 brendan    flash flood you always get the best (errr... worst) weather warnings
21:50 chris      @wunder wellington nz
21:50 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on September 16, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
21:58 nengard    chris_n++
21:59 chris      oh snap!