Time Nick Message 02:17 kwak hello all 02:18 kwak i intalled koha in lucid following the instructions in the wiki. 02:19 kwakito whenever I do a search, i get no result 02:23 robin kwakito: your zebra probably isn't working. 02:31 kwakito ic, whta should I do? 02:34 robin have you tried running rebuild_zebra.pl? 02:37 kwakito i'm going to run it now. 02:37 kwakito it's good that I'm testing on a VM. 02:39 robin yeah, VMs are useful. I have bunches of them for various things. 02:42 kwakito run rebuild_zebra.pl right? 02:42 kwakito by the way, when I do a search i get this "kw,wrdl: education" 02:44 robin yeah, that's normal 02:44 robin and rebuild_zebra.pl is what you want, probably with the options -a -b -r -v 02:49 kwak i get this error when running rebuild zebra 02:53 edward hello 03:20 Amit heya chris 03:34 wasabi morning amit 03:35 Amit heya mason 03:40 brendan_l heya amit 03:40 Amit heya brendan 04:18 wajasu i upgraded and installed from git on monday. my search seems to error with "Can't determine type of REF(0x4cb1e88) at blib/lib/Storable.pm (autosplit into blib/lib/auto/Storable/_freeze.al) line 339, at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 500" 04:22 wajasu any ideas? i see a search run from zebrasrv output. its just after when the results are shown. 04:26 kwak why do I get YAML error during cpan install 04:27 kwak Warning (usually harmless): 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state 04:27 Braedon ...well that was interesting... 04:28 wajasu made my night. 04:28 Braedon i'm sure 05:14 wajasu things working now. maybe the storable that was in a cookie is somehow fine? Oh well. I can't reproduce. 05:52 kwak cpan complains about YAML. 05:52 kwak just a warning...is this fine to skip. or cpan YAML? 05:57 Braedon fine to skip 05:58 Braedon purely cpan - nothing to do with Koah 06:06 Braedon not very talkative that one 06:17 wajasu ok. i'm up and running with the latest git pull. 06:18 wajasu gnight 06:42 magnus g'day #koha 06:43 Braedon_m Howdy 07:10 kf good morning #koha 07:11 hdl hi kf 07:11 kf hi hdl 07:11 magnus hiya kf, hdl, Braedon_m et aø 07:12 kf good morning magnus 07:12 hdl hi magnus 07:12 magnus s/aø/al/ 07:18 Amit heya hdl, kf, magnus 07:19 magnus hi Amit 07:21 kf hi Amit 08:18 kwak is it possible to run the first time configuration again. 08:20 magnus cd ../.. 08:20 magnus oops, sorry 08:34 CGI522kwa hi again, it is possible to run the first run page where I can install sample items. 08:39 kf hmpf. 08:51 Braedon hmpf? 09:17 kf Braedon: similar to harumph 09:17 Braedon indeed 09:17 Braedon more inquiring as to the reason :P 09:17 kf Braedon: express a feeling associated with negative karma for soemthing or someone 09:18 kf firefox print menu broken 09:18 Braedon ahh 09:18 kf took me an hour until I could print again 09:18 Braedon beta? 09:18 kf no 09:18 kf the current version 09:19 kf perhaps a problem with an addon or printer installing and deinstalling. 09:19 kf uninstalling... 09:19 kf it's deinstallieren in German :) 11:37 ivanc hi #koha 11:37 kf hi ivanc 11:37 * kf waves 11:38 ivanc hi kf 11:42 * chris_n greets kf && ivanc 11:43 ivanc hallo cris_n 11:45 kf hi chris_n :) 12:24 nengard morning all 12:24 owen Hi nengard, #koha 12:24 nengard wizzyrea those links you send me to the spanish manual give me a 404 12:25 nengard owen did you get my message yesterday about that patch? 12:25 owen Yes, and I am perplexed. But I didn't have a chance to look at it again yet. 12:27 nengard k 12:28 chris_n heya owen, nengard 12:29 owen chris_n: Are you up for a question about date formatting in Perl? 12:30 owen Hi jwagner 12:31 kf hi jwagner 12:31 jwagner Hi, all. 12:31 chris_n owen: I can give it a shot 12:31 chris_n hey jwagner 12:32 owen I'm trying to add a date to a page which outputs RSS 12:34 owen The standard requires an RFC-822 date-time 12:35 owen I see another instance where Koha uses strftime() to format a time that way, but what I have to work with is an ISO datetime 12:36 * chris_n looks at something 12:36 owen template->param(timestamp => strftime("%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S-00:00", gmtime)) 12:42 chris_n owen: have you looked at C4::Dates ? 12:43 owen I did, but it's mostly over my head 12:44 chris_n it does not look to produce rfc822 formats, but could be made to fairly easily I think 12:46 chris_n or perhaps something like this: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/622 12:46 chris_n but it would be nice to add that format to C4::Dates and make it available to all of Koha 12:47 chris_n with C4::Dates you just create a new date object handing it your current value and format 12:48 chris_n then you call the output method with the format you want it to be converted to 12:48 chris_n and there you go 12:51 hdl I like it 12:52 hdl chris_n++ atz++ 12:53 chris_n hey hdl 12:53 chris_n owen: I'll take a whack at adding rfc822 to C4:Dates during my lunch today 12:54 owen Thanks chris_n, I shall be in your debt 12:54 chris_n kf: about? 12:55 kf here 12:56 kf chris_n: yes 12:56 chris_n I just finished updating to the latest HEAD 12:57 chris_n I do see changes to cgi-bin/koha/members/notices.pl?borrowernumber=X 12:57 chris_n however, it now only shows notices with a failed status 12:57 chris_n and they are filtered properly 12:57 chris_n but it seems to me that it should show all notices for borrower X rather than only the failed ones 12:59 schuster Must say chris_n is a wizard and love the quick label print option. 13:00 schuster Now if I could get a button at the bottom of the add and edit item screen that said Add/Save/Print spine label 13:00 * chris_n appreciates the commendation, but did not write the quick label print code... only a lot of the label creator code :-) 13:01 schuster hmmm... well then I have no idea where it came from or who I should thank - but it is a GREAT feature! 13:02 chris_n kyle hall was the originator of that feature according to git 13:03 chris_n I'd like to add some sort of similar browser-based output to the full label tool 13:03 chris_n then formatting could be done with css and perhaps the unicode issues overcome with other languages 13:05 chris_n kf: can you direct me again to the patch you wanted me to test? 13:05 kf reading back mom 13:06 kf chris_n: I agree, it should show all notices not only failed - people will tell you the did not get one, it's good to see it was sent out 13:06 chris_n k, I'll work on a fix for that 13:07 kf chris_n: bug 49904 13:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=49904 was not found. 13:07 kf bug 4904 13:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices 13:07 chris_n the table has a sorter, so if one wanted, one could sort on the status field 13:07 kf yep 13:07 chris_n ok, I'll try to get to testing your patch today or tomorrow 13:07 kf we discussed this page and there were different opinions 13:08 kf I would like the message text to be a link, so you could show it formatted in a separate window 13:08 kf hard to read the way it is now 13:08 kf chris_n: thx! :) 13:09 owen kf has returned from a distopian future with news of Bug 49904 ! 13:09 * owen hopes our monkey/robot/alien overlords are merciful 13:10 kf lol 13:10 chris_n kf: ahh... that was my mistake you are fixing :-) 13:10 kf I am testing/documenting batch item modification 13:10 kf can someone tell me what the back button on the last page does? 13:10 chris_n I was having a hard time understanding how to properly format for utf-8 13:11 kf scan barcodes, make change, save, see screen with back button that does not undo changes or make it possible to make more changes 13:11 chris_n kf: I'll test it and sign off on it 13:11 kf chris_n: great! :) 13:11 kf my coworker suggested the change - he does a lot of data migration things 13:17 chris_n through some freak arrangement of fingers on keyboard, /me ends up typing "git retch" rather than fetch 13:21 jwagner chris_n, your fingers have a low opinion of git? 13:21 * kf goes to look up retch 13:21 kf oh 13:22 chris_n or for wanting git to spill its guts :-P 13:23 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:23 chris_n hi jcamins 13:23 kf hi jcamins 13:57 kf owen++ :) 14:01 kf owen: what do you think about 5210? 14:02 kf remove the button? 14:02 owen Yes, I was just about to do so. 14:02 owen I can't see any reason for it to be there. 14:03 kf yep 14:03 kf it's confusing 14:03 kf I thought it would allow to make more changes, but you can't 14:04 owen It might be a nice feature, but you'd have to build in a way to re-submit the list of barcodes/itemnumbers 14:05 kf it does not show the changes you made when you go back 14:05 kf i think for the moment it's best to remove the button 14:09 kf hm, question: I am logged in with superlibrarian and all permissions selected, I have AllowHoldPolicyOverride set to ON, but I don't see the button to overwrite my renewl limit in checkout 14:09 sekjal kf: I wonder if that's related to bug 4449 14:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4449 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW, Cannot place holds on unchecked-out missing items if AllowShelfHolds turned off 14:10 sekjal seems like the override policy option doesn't override everything 14:10 kf I am not sure this is even the right sys prefs 14:10 kf I am not trying to place hodls but renew checkouts where the limit is reached 14:11 kf or that are not renewalbe 14:11 kf I trained my librarians to do that... documenting some features today and checking if it still works in 3.2 :) 14:13 kf oh 14:13 kf my fault 14:13 kf I really had the wrong sys pref, it's AllowRenewalLimitOverride 14:13 sekjal ah 14:15 kf but would be nice to have that as permission instead 14:16 kf oh 14:16 kf there is one 14:16 * kf goes back to do more testing 14:19 chris_n are successfully delivered messages purged from the db entirely? 14:20 * chris_n thinks it is so 14:20 kf chris_n: I think no 14:20 jwagner chris_n, do you mean in the message queue? 14:20 chris_n which means there is no record of what messages were sent to a patron 14:20 jwagner Old messages are still there unless you manually purge the table. 14:20 chris_n hmm 14:20 kf or at least it is not like that in 3.01.61 and I think they should not be deleted 14:20 * chris_n will look again 14:21 kf ourl ibraries need the information a notice was sent out - I hope this has not changed 14:22 wizzyrea chris_n: i'm wondering where the notices/messaging tabs pull their information from if the messages aren't kept 14:22 wizzyrea on the members pages 14:23 wizzyrea (meaning, I'm pretty sure they are kept) 14:23 chris_n they are there... most of them at least 14:24 kf chris_n: the print notices are not shown 14:25 kf it only works for the email messages 14:25 chris_n interesting... the message_queue.borrowernumber seems to get set to NULL once the message status changes to sent 14:25 chris_n weirdness 14:26 wizzyrea there was some development that saved those print notices in a web accessible directory by our friends in bethesda 14:26 chris_n or at least in one case... 14:26 * wizzyrea hasn't used it though 14:26 kf chris_n: sounds strange, I did a lot of notices testing 14:27 kf I have not seen something like that there 14:27 kf testing with 3.01.61 most of the time 14:27 sekjal just found a fun bug in overdue_notices.pl 14:27 jcamins sekjal: I love fun bugs. 14:27 * kf is not surprised, it's 11 pages long 14:28 sekjal when you use the <item>.... </item> option for specifying fields, the code confuses the biblionumber with the itemnumber 14:28 chris_n ok, it appears to have been corrupt data, but for the life of me I don't know how that field was set to null 14:29 sekjal so you get the right biblio.title and biblio.author, but the item.itemcallnumber or item.barcode from the wrong item 14:29 * chris_n confesses to being responsible for part of that code 14:29 kf I think too many people are responsible for parts of that code 14:30 sekjal line 673 is the root of it, I believe 14:30 * jcamins is very glad he hasn't had to work with that code 14:30 * chris_n is mucking through some of it atm 14:30 * kf will have to work with it :( 14:30 kf chris suggested that some of it shoudl be part of C4 - it's really long and confusing 14:30 sekjal the whole notices system needs an overhaul 14:31 * chris_n agrees with sekjal 14:31 chris_n we need hourly fines badly 14:31 sekjal well, at least that'll come with hourly circ 14:31 kf perhaps some other glitches can be repaired then too 14:31 chris_n btw, does the fines system honor library operating hours? 14:31 kf make it more flexible... 14:31 kf the fines system does 14:31 kf honor the days 14:31 kf the notices system not 14:32 kf I wanted to write a bug report for that :( 14:32 chris_n ie. we don't fine for reference works kept over the weekend 14:32 chris_n ahh 14:32 chris_n ouch, rather 14:32 kf chris_n: I think it's not a big problem for you then, no notices on closed days - alhtough I think there is a sys pref involved here 14:33 kf noFinesWhenClosed - FineDays I think 14:33 kf but the notices are sent out without the calendar 14:33 kf it's a big problem for us, because we need to tie fine and notice together 14:33 sekjal http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hourly_Loans_RFC 14:33 kf already printed it :) will read later! 14:34 chris_n tnx sekjal 14:35 kf sys pref and permission for overriding reneal limit work fine :) 14:35 sekjal I humbly ask anyone interested to read it, ask questions, make comments and suggestion changes 14:35 sekjal the goal is to make it work for everyone 14:36 chris_n ok, so where do I find the calendar settings? 14:36 kf sekjal++ 14:36 kf tools > calendar? 14:36 * chris_n wonders why he was under sysprefs... :-P 14:36 kf FineDays is a sys pref 14:38 chris_n kf: got it setup, thanks 14:51 jcamins Has anyone replaced the Koha cataloging module with a more flexible interface (other than biblios)? 14:51 kf hm, I remember someone talking about something more like a text editor 14:52 kf not sure who it was, perhaps kyle hall 14:52 sekjal pianohack made a plain-text editor interface 14:52 kf ah 14:52 kf sorry, I was wrong 14:52 jcamins @seen pianohack 14:52 munin jcamins: pianohack was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 1 minute, and 9 seconds ago: <pianohack> How's it going? 14:52 wizzyrea and you can always generate records in whatever you want and import them 14:52 owen That's what we do 14:53 sekjal http://github.com/pianohacker/koha 14:53 jcamins Nifty, thanks. 14:57 jcamins wizzyrea: the problem with using MarcEdit for cataloging is that it adds a whole bunch of steps, and can only be done on the one computer with MarcEdit. 14:58 wizzyrea I didn't say it was the right way :) 14:59 jcamins If we had OCLC, that would be the preferred method. 15:00 jcamins I wonder if SkyRiver has an actual cataloging utility. 15:03 kf owen: bug or feature: overwrite renewal checkbox checked, field for choosing manual renewal does only appear on tab details, not on tab checkouts 15:04 kf date field 15:05 owen Bug: it appears only after you have checked out something 15:05 kf is there a bug report? 15:05 owen I don't know 15:06 owen Bug 5051 15:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab 15:07 kf ah, I will add a comment 15:07 kf thx! 15:10 kf which version is right for this bug? 3.2? 3.4? 15:10 kf currently it's HEAD 15:12 owen I think HEAD is okay. 15:12 owen I'm not sure any more fixes are getting into 3.2 15:13 jcamins pianohack++ 15:13 jcamins I like the text editor. 15:23 jcamins @seen wasabi 15:23 munin jcamins: wasabi was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 48 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <wasabi> morning amit 15:31 owen Man, the TMPL markup responsible for Bug 5051 makes my head hurt, partly because I know I wrote it! 15:31 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab 15:31 * owen git blames himself 15:35 * kf shares a cookie with owen 15:38 wizzyrea owen: does nelsonville restrict holds between branches? (do you use the itype holds rules) 15:39 owen No 15:39 wizzyrea k thx, just curious 15:42 kf ok, time to leave :) bye all1 16:05 jcamins Is there any way to find out what sysprefs have been changed from their default values? 16:05 wizzyrea it would be neat to have that for usr 16:05 wizzyrea sure 16:06 wizzyrea I suppose you could export the sysprefs table and diff it against the default rules 16:06 jcamins I don't think I care that much, but that seems like a reasonable way to do it. 16:06 wizzyrea (or the rules that are in the installer data folder) 16:07 owen Perhaps the description of each preference should show what the default is? 16:08 owen "OPACFRBRizeEditions [Show] other editions of an item on the OPAC. Default: Don't show." 16:08 jcamins That would be helpful. 16:10 jcamins I'm on a documentation kick, and having some trouble remembering what needs to be documented, and what doesn't. 16:10 owen Ideas without implementations are free! Implementations on the other hand... 16:10 jcamins owen: what, you mean you don't have the implementation in your patches-to-send queue? ;) 16:11 jcamins Hey, this is weird. 16:11 jcamins On HEAD, if you click the link to go to System Preferences, it brings you to the local use tab, and shows no preferences. 16:12 jcamins However, if you click another tab, and then click on the local use tab, all your local use preferences show up. 16:14 sekjal jcamins: looks like all the links haven't been updated yet for bug 3756 16:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference 16:15 jcamins Ah. 16:15 owen Bug 5100 16:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5100 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Incorrect link to System Preferences 16:15 owen Not in my patches-to-send queue jcamins, but in my patches-awaiting-approval queue :) 16:16 jcamins Has anyone else noticed that I use the phrase "hey, this is weird" (or some variation) at least once a day? 16:16 sekjal owen: did you want a sign-off on that? I'm in that kind of mode right now. 16:17 owen Feel free! 16:19 owen I wish bugzilla would track who attached the latest patch. Then you could make a list of bugs others have submitted patches for 16:19 owen Maybe with the "advanced search using boolean charts" 16:36 jcamins What happened to the patch for bug 5101? 16:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5101 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected 16:36 owen What do you mean? 16:37 jcamins I thought I remembered it being pushed, but my demo running HEAD still shows the bug. 16:37 sekjal jcamins: doesn't look like it was commited yet 16:38 owen Nope 16:38 jcamins Okay, just so long as everyone agrees about that. :) After the weirdness with the ANS's catalog missing a few commits, I'm a little paranoid about these things. 16:43 sekjal signed off on bug 5101 16:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5101 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected 16:45 wizzyrea urg. The slips don't include intranetuserjs 16:45 wizzyrea at least the hold transit slips dont 16:45 wizzyrea er 16:45 wizzyrea well let me qualify that 16:45 wizzyrea the version I'm using doesn't allow that 16:45 wizzyrea >.> 16:46 wizzyrea So. I need a way to modify them. How... 16:48 owen Yeah, sorry wizzyrea , the slip page is designed to be lean and speedy 16:48 wizzyrea if only there were an intranetusercss 16:48 wizzyrea ok 16:48 wizzyrea then I have a suggestion 16:48 wizzyrea well 16:48 wizzyrea never mind 16:48 wizzyrea actually 16:48 owen :D 16:48 wizzyrea let me verify it's actually a problem still on head 16:49 wizzyrea and aside from that 16:49 wizzyrea I"ll just f-in fix it if it is. 16:50 owen f-in a. 16:50 wizzyrea ;) 16:51 wizzyrea aside: http://screencast.com/t/ZTYzMDMw 16:51 wizzyrea are those itype images? 16:51 owen Yes 16:51 wizzyrea aha 16:51 wizzyrea wonder why they're broken 16:52 * wizzyrea puts it on the list 16:52 owen It's working for me in HEAD 16:52 wizzyrea hm 16:53 owen (I don't have a broken image I mean) 16:54 wizzyrea ooh, I wasn't quite up to date 16:54 wizzyrea do you have the pref to show them on? 16:55 wizzyrea I don't maybe that's the difference 16:56 wizzyrea urg, no. w/e 16:56 owen ? 16:56 wizzyrea it's broken with the pref either way, but I'm workin on something else it'll have to wait. :/ 16:58 owen wizzyrea: Looks like if you don't have an item type image specified you get a broken image. That's a new bug 16:58 wizzyrea Oh. 16:58 wizzyrea well I will file one then :P 16:59 * owen hates hates hates that Firefox doesn't show a broken image icon for broken images 17:00 wizzyrea they're "helping" 17:00 owen I'm surprised a developer hasn't come up with an add-on to fix that by now 17:08 nengard can anyone tell me how to force my system to generate overdue notices? 17:08 nengard I tried the following: 17:08 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl 17:08 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t 17:08 nengard but neither seemed to generate notices 17:17 jcamins Why _isn't_ there an IntranetCSS option? 17:17 jcamins I don't need one, I'm just curious. 17:18 owen It's just an oversight 17:18 owen Bug 3381 17:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3381 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Add an IntranetUserCSS system preference 17:18 jcamins Ah. Good explanation. 17:18 nengard :) 17:21 hdl nengard: overdunotices generates mail which have to be processed by process_message_queue in message_queue table 17:21 nengard hdl, the messages aren't in my queue even ... 17:21 hdl huh??? 17:21 nengard hang on - going to look once more ... 17:22 cait hi koha 17:22 nengard hdl, the only messages in my queue are hold messages 17:22 nengard it makes no sense 17:23 hdl is it a fresh master ? 17:23 jcamins hi cait 17:24 nengard hdl yes - just did a rebase yesterday 17:24 nengard but obviously something is wrong in my install 17:31 nengard okay i tried to reset again and still nothing ... here's what I did: 17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git checkout -b newhead origin 17:31 nengard Branch newhead set up to track remote branch refs/remotes/origin/master. 17:31 nengard Switched to a new branch "newhead" 17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl 17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git reset --hard HEAD 17:31 nengard HEAD is now at e58961f Merge branch 'translation' of git://git.workbuffer.org/git/koha into to-push 17:31 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl 17:37 hdl mmmm do you have overduerules set ? 17:39 nengard hdl, which are you talking about? I have notice triggers set and I have it set to YES for overdue notices on the patron categories ... off to double and triple check though 17:39 cait nengard: have you added rules to the standard library? 17:39 cait notice trigger rules for standard library 17:39 cait finesMode to production 17:40 nengard cait you mean default library? 17:40 cait yep 17:40 cait I had problems with that in the past 17:40 nengard yes - and as for finesmode - why would that matter - this is for an overdue notice not to accrue fines 17:40 cait never add ntoice triggers for default library 17:40 cait you are right about the findeMode 17:41 nengard cait - actually i only have triggers for the default library - not the others 17:41 cait delete them and add one for the specific library 17:41 cait there is an old bug and I don't remember it was fixed 17:43 cait bug 3393 17:43 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices 17:43 nengard i'll try that cait 17:44 cait I spend more time with fines and notices than I ever wanted to :) 17:44 nengard yes 17:47 nengard HA!!!! that did it!!!! 17:47 nengard what a HUGE BUG! 17:47 nengard cait++ 17:47 cait and very old too 17:47 cait I tracked a lot of duplicates 17:48 cait happy that it works now :) 17:48 sekjal I patched 3393... and I thought it got commited... huh 17:50 nengard sekjal, i think owen's comment on that bug means it was pushed to 3.x but not HEAD 17:50 cait I think there was a patch galen commented too 17:51 sekjal weird. I'm seeing that I sent it three times 17:53 cait hm and paul and nahuel had patches too 17:53 cait ah, paul not, misreading the bug 17:53 cait sekjal: is your patch in bugzilla? I have checked the duplicate bugs but only found nahuel's patch 17:54 sekjal I must have only gotten halfway through the publication process 17:54 sekjal I blame too much multitasking 17:55 cait chris_n: now I found the bug... bug 3941 17:55 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Notices Tab on Patron Records Showing All Msgs 17:56 rhcl is this a good working example of a cronjob I can use? 17:56 rhcl overdue_notices.pl -t -html /tmp/noticedir -itemscontent issuedate,date_due,title,barcode,author 17:56 rhcl If I only what printed output (to a text file), do I need to add "-n" or is that handled by the "html" 17:56 rhcl ? 17:57 chris_n cait: it seems to work in the current HEAD 17:57 rhcl overdue_notices.pl -n -t -html /tmp/noticedir -itemscontent issuedate,date_due,title,barcode,author 17:57 chris_n cait: I wonder if that bug should be closed out? 17:57 cait chris_n: if you tested it make a comment and close it :) 17:57 chris_n will do, its on my list :-) 17:58 chris_n today has been a Koha day for me :) 17:59 cait for me every day is a koha day - love my job :) 17:59 nengard cait you helped me be able to test sekjal's patch 17:59 nengard thanks! 17:59 cait happy that I was able to help 17:59 nengard also - same here! koha day everyday! love it! 18:03 sekjal okay, published my patch for 3393 on bugs.k-c 18:03 sekjal not sure what I was thinking or doing when I originally sent it to the list 18:08 * owen wonders what he was doing before lunch 18:09 * wizzyrea too 18:10 cait me too 18:10 cait not my day, threw sugar pot on the floor, spilled green tea and tried to soak kitchen in hot chocolate 18:10 cait all in the last 10 minutes 18:11 wizzyrea wow 18:11 nengard hot chocolate and green tea??? 18:11 wizzyrea ^^ is relevant to my interests 18:11 cait why not? 18:11 wizzyrea hehe 18:11 nengard just wondering why you're drinking them both at the same time 18:11 wizzyrea why not? 18:11 cait the hot chocolate goes first 18:11 nengard ahh - see now it's okay :) 18:12 nengard hehe - maybe i'm the weird one :) 18:12 cait it's getting colder here and I have to read that xslt chapter for my distance study 18:12 nengard i live on green tea 18:12 cait I need every help I can get 18:13 cait organic japan sencha - yum 18:15 nengard hmmmm - dont think i've had that 18:16 nengard genmai is my tea of choice 18:16 cait wizzyrea: your bug sounds familiar - bug 3524 18:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3524 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Display of item type image/description when placing holds (broken image / no description) 18:16 nengard but i also have a tea from teavanna that's a mix of jsmine green and tropical roobis (spell?) 18:16 wizzyrea ok cool 18:16 wizzyrea well I"ll just dump mine then 18:16 cait no, mine was fixed 18:16 cait but I wonder if it crept in 18:16 cait back 18:16 nengard it's great to have so many people around to remember bugs !! 18:17 wizzyrea well it's definitely back 18:17 owen If anyone is curious, this works: http://www.deuxcode.com/articles/102/show-broken-image-placeholders-in-firefox 18:17 cait I will remember bugs but not the the things from my distace study course :( 18:17 wizzyrea heyyyy neat 18:18 cait nengard: I have to try jasmine tea soon 18:18 nengard sometimes it's too strong on it's own 18:18 cait nengard: do you know chocolate with green tea (matcha)? I love it 18:19 cait but it's difficult to get 18:19 nengard i haven't 18:19 nengard but does sound yumm 18:19 wizzyrea does anybody have a SSL HEAD handy? 18:19 * wizzyrea doesn't 18:19 cait ssl head? 18:19 wizzyrea a version of koha running head (or close to it) that uses SSL 18:19 wizzyrea https 18:20 cait ah 18:20 cait ours are 3.01.61 18:20 wizzyrea do you use SSL? 18:20 cait all using https 18:20 wizzyrea WOO 18:20 wizzyrea ok 18:20 chris Morning 18:20 cait you get some ugly error message with amazon features turned on, but works without problems 18:20 wizzyrea do you have any issues with it kicking you out of secure access surrounding z searching, advanced searches 18:21 cait not really error messages - warnings from firefox about content from another url 18:21 wizzyrea or hangs while importing messages 18:21 wizzyrea hangs while importing records 18:21 wizzyrea hey chris 18:21 wizzyrea how's the kiddo (and the rest of the fam, for that matter) 18:21 cait I do not often import records in staff, but never had any problems 18:21 cait morning chris 18:21 chris On the mend but still sick last I heard 18:21 wizzyrea :/ 18:21 cait and my librarians reported no kick outs 18:22 cait :( 18:22 cait what happened? 18:22 wizzyrea cool beans, thanks for checking cait 18:22 cait no problem 18:23 cait we are using https from the beginning, I think serious problems should have shown up by now 18:23 nengard chris, that's good news 18:23 wizzyrea right, my librarians report being kicked out when they click on the advanced intranet search 18:24 wizzyrea er, kicked to regular http 18:24 wizzyrea but 18:24 wizzyrea that's not HEAD 18:25 * wizzyrea would like to hear that it doesn't happen that way on HEASD 18:25 nengard wizzyrea we have some customers running that wy 18:25 nengard way 18:25 nengard i'll see if i can find one 18:26 chris Yeah I haven't seen that in master 18:26 cait wizzyrea: I think my test installation is not running on https, but will check at work tomorrow 18:26 wizzyrea k sec screencast for reproduce inc 18:26 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/YzRkMWQyNj 18:26 nengard wizzyrea, in the staff client on a near HEAD install when i click advanced it keeps me in https 18:26 wizzyrea what happens when you search 18:27 nengard after searching it stays 18:27 wizzyrea woot ok good 18:27 * wizzyrea feels happy 18:28 nengard i clicked your link but it didn't show me anything - cause i'm probably blocking the script :) 18:28 wizzyrea it's flash 18:28 wizzyrea dk 18:28 nengard yeah for some reason flashblock isn't showing me the play button 18:29 wizzyrea :/ the highlight is 18:30 wizzyrea if you search for something from https, once you click "search" it gives you results in http 18:30 wizzyrea but 18:30 wizzyrea since you have verified that master doesn't do that 18:30 wizzyrea it's of no concern here. 18:32 chris :) 18:42 briceSanc hello ! 18:47 chris Hi bricesanc 18:47 briceSanc Do you know the technical characteristics to operate KOHA (CPU, RAM, Disk space,...)? 18:48 chris How long is a piece of string? 18:48 chris :) 18:48 briceSanc Do you know the techs specs to run KOHA (CPU, RAM, Disk space,...)? (better than google translate :) 18:48 chris It totally depends on the size of the library 18:49 schuster Size of library, number of anticipated users, number of transactions... 18:50 chris Ps its Koha .... not an acronym, but a maori word :) 18:50 sekjal briceSanc: for production libraries of a small size, I'd recommend at least 512MB RAM and 20GB. More for larger, certainly 18:50 owen KOHA = Kalamazoo Optimist Hockey Association 18:50 sekjal sorry, 20GB diskspace 18:51 schuster I have 68 locations do over 30,000 circs a day hundreds of opac hits a day about 250,000 bibs, 1.3 million items. I'm running a Dell 2950 - 2 quad processors 18:51 wizzyrea 30k circs a day! 18:51 wizzyrea srs?! 18:51 wizzyrea that's super cool. 18:52 chris For schusters id actually have a db server sep 18:52 chris And a couple of load balanced webservers 18:52 schuster 16 GB of memory, 8 - 146 gb drives with raid 10 18:52 chris Just for redundancy 18:53 owen 30,000 / 68 is only 441, so it's not crazy at all 18:53 schuster We are looking at moving Zebra and the indexes to another server right now we are being hammered by orientation and kids learning how to use the pac 18:53 schuster between the hours of 8 and 2 by the way on circ and most of the circ is really done by about 46 of the schools. 18:54 schuster (elementary) Checkin is amazing in the morning... We don't circulate magazines as it slows the process WAY down. 18:54 schuster They do about 20,000 checkins every morning between 7-9 at those 46 schools. 18:54 wizzyrea ^^ seems a bit amazing to me still 18:55 schuster me too... 18:55 wizzyrea but maybe it's just all the 0's 18:55 chris Zebra and mysql both use io a lot sep servers is good 18:55 schuster To think that there is just a librarian and MAYBE a volunteer... 18:56 schuster chris - when we started having near stoppages due to searches taking forever I decided to move our discussion about what would help in the short term and you had suggested the Zebra move. 18:56 chris You can run multiple zebra too 18:57 chris Ie 2 frontends with their own zebra 18:57 chris That talk back to one db server 18:58 schuster In about 4 weeks it will become a non issue so one Zebra will probably suffice. 18:58 wizzyrea what happens in 4 weeks? 18:58 schuster I just want to speed up the cko/cki/patron lookup... and still be able to allow kids to search. 18:59 chris Yep moving the searches to their own machine 18:59 schuster Library orientation will be over and they will go to teaching library lessons on literature and using other databases. They are reminding the kids now how to look up books. 18:59 chris Is the perfect way 18:59 wizzyrea oh 18:59 chris Ie the opac is one server, with its own Zebra 19:00 schuster So we have 68 schools and probably every hour we have 2 schools with a total of 60 kids doing a very basic search all at the same time bumps the load average from 2 to 45 in about 3 minutes and circ crawls 19:00 wizzyrea wow, yea it sounds like you have a need for some infrastructure design there. 19:01 schuster opac wil still be on the production server, but moving the indexing I think will help the most for now. 19:01 chris It will help some 19:01 chris But they are still holding open an apache thread 19:01 chris That circ then can't use 19:02 * chris has learnt lots from stuff.co.nz , millions of hits each hour etc 19:03 schuster Not optimal, but I need to make due with what I have right now. Can't make too many changes in the middle of a school year. Will have to talk with my vendor about local optimization changes for next summer. 19:03 chris Good luck with that 19:04 briceSanc In my case, each library will have about 13 simultaneous connections to the database, 40 permanent connections to KOHA and 200,000 references. What are my technical requirements? 19:04 schuster I like having the servers local and not in the cloud... 19:04 chris Yup 19:04 chris I would too 19:04 schuster They are open to helping me which is good... 19:05 schuster briceSanc - you don't need much... There are companies that will actually host it for you in the cloud if you don't want to deal with the hardware... 19:05 chris Maybe you can ask them to stop attacking the rest of us :) 19:05 schuster ;) 19:06 chris Yeah a single server would be enough for that bricesanc, backed up of course 19:13 briceSanc schuster, my company also hosts websites but KOHA is new for us, so we are trying to make the good choice. 19:14 owen briceSanc: Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word. 19:14 schuster Koha not KOHA 19:15 wizzyrea clearly it's a common peeve. :) 19:16 nengard it's certainly one of mine 19:16 wizzyrea mine too :) 19:16 nengard i've actually added a slide to my koha talks about it 19:16 schuster You know you are popular when??? 19:17 owen Someone needs to let Bugzilla's quips list know: "Depending on the situation, it might be written "koha" or "Koha" or maybe even "KOHA". Writing "kOha" just means you got the shifting out of sync, though." 19:17 wizzyrea haha 19:17 wizzyrea @quote random 19:17 munin wizzyrea: Quote #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" (added by jdavidb at 05:21 PM, August 22, 2009) 19:18 wizzyrea @quote add Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word. 19:18 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #93 added. 19:18 wizzyrea @quote get 93 19:18 munin wizzyrea: Quote #93: "Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word." (added by wizzyrea at 03:20 PM, September 09, 2010) 19:18 chris Ok time to pack up and start driving to auckland 19:19 chris Then fly home 19:19 wizzyrea there, now we can just @quote get 93 and be done with it 19:19 chris Cyas later 19:19 owen Have a good one chris 19:19 wizzyrea later chris save travels 19:19 wizzyrea safe* 19:19 schuster We have an all division meeting at 3:30 so about 300 of your closest employee friends in administration. 19:19 schuster I'll be leaving soon to get a parking spot! 19:20 briceSanc We have 20 libraries to host, the smallest with 13 simultaneous users and 200,000 records and the biggest with 150 users and 300,000 records. We've thought of 5 servers (5 * 4 Koha) - 2 x Quad core - 16Gb of RAM - 500GB / Koha - all powered with KVM or XEN. We just have lack of precision, so we ask you to help make the right choices. 19:22 briceSanc owen, schuster, Ok for Koha :) 19:23 cait @whois briceSanc 19:23 munin cait: Error: <domain> must be in .com, .net, .edu, or .org. 19:23 cait *sigh* 19:23 cait where are you located briceSanc? 19:23 wizzyrea cait: /whois briceSanc 19:23 briceSanc Qu�bec (QC), Canada 19:23 cait yep 19:24 cait ah :) 19:43 cait wb owen 19:43 * owen suffered a strange loss of connectivity 19:48 reva Hi anyone (jcamin, owen, or chris_n, wizzyrea or Braedon): where is the opac serial issue display count? I have 3.00.06. 19:49 cait I think there is a sys pref perhaps in 3.00.6 19:49 reva I do not find it "serials" under system preferences at all as the 3.0 manual says. 19:49 cait not sure there is one in the subscription in this version 19:50 reva ok, cait: I do not find serials on the left panel among the menu choices. May be it is not available for 3.0.6. 19:51 cait sorry, I have no 3.0.x to look at 19:51 cait ah, I send a patch to show publication place 19:51 owen What are you trying to see reva? 19:51 cait last week? not sure. but I promised you I would :) 19:52 reva cait: I want to control the number itmized serial holdings on the opac. 19:52 reva I was just going to remind you of the patch. Thanks cait: 19:53 reva my email is reva12@gmail.com. 19:53 cait I send it to the patches list, let me get the link for you 19:54 reva ok, that would be great. 19:54 cait http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-August/012495.html 19:54 cait bug 5187 19:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5187 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Show place of publication (260$a) in OPAC/Staff 19:55 cait hope it's what you wanted, a real small change 19:57 reva ok got it. I will look over it and see if I understand what it is doing before plunging in. But that is what I wanted. 19:57 cait cool :) 19:58 reva ok, it looks like there is no way to control the number of items displayed on the serial holdings. Thanks Cait: 19:58 cait you can control the number of issues shown in the opac for subscriptions in 3.2 20:00 reva That is issue (no pun with serials) for another time, when the beta stable is released for 3.2 and we install it. 20:03 reva Bye for now. Are all of you from NZ? I hope people in Christchurch are getting the help they need. We have aquaintances who live there. 20:04 cait reva: I am from Germany 20:04 wizzyrea < Kansas, US 20:04 cait we are very international here .) 20:06 reva Oh, I thought maybe there were some people from NZ. But best from here, the Caribbean. Thanks for all the help.:) 20:06 cait there are 20:06 cait but not only :) 20:07 wizzyrea the kiwis are still getting to work ;) 20:07 wizzyrea it's tomorrow there. 20:08 reva That is right, and here we get to go home for the evening today. 20:09 * cait is already at home and near bed time :) 20:10 reva Ok, you kind of win cait: But there is something to be said for looking forward than to experiencing the evening at home. There:). Bye for now. 20:11 cait bye :) 20:17 briceSanc bye all ! 20:18 cait good night :) 20:39 richard hi 21:42 chris Hi from bucklame airport 21:43 richard bucklame? 21:43 chris Auckland 21:43 richard :) 21:44 chris The old nokia phones predictive text used to convert it to that 21:44 chris Quite apt 22:08 robin I always like "Funedin" 22:09 brendan @wunder 93117 22:09 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.5�C (3:07 PM PDT on September 09, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). 22:21 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:21 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:21 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 17.1�C (5:23 PM CDT on September 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Rising). 22:21 brendan hi moodaepo 22:21 * moodaepo ah what a difference a single space makes 22:21 moodaepo hey brendan