Time  Nick       Message
03:14 Amit       heya chris
03:17 wasabi     yo amit
03:17 Amit       heya mason
03:17 wasabi     hey hey
07:13 magnus     g'day #koha
07:28 chris      hi magnus
07:32 kf         good morning #koha
07:39 chris      hi kf and paul_p (and paul__p too)
07:44 kf         hi chris :)
07:44 kf         and paul_*
07:51 magnus     hiya chris, kf, paul_p et al
07:52 paul_p     hi chris, kf & magnus
07:52 kf         hi magnus
07:53 kf         robin++
07:53 paul_p     chris : hdl started to rebase biblibre/master against community/master, and ... it's really a huge job... (will require probably weeks)
07:53 chris      yup
07:53 chris      what i would do
07:54 chris      format patch against koha/master
07:54 chris      then checkout a koha/master branch, an apply the patches for a feature set
07:54 chris      then you have that feature rebased, and move on to the next
07:55 chris      otherwise you have to rebase the whole branch, then we just have to split it up anyway
07:55 chris      and if you put the patches up in directories .. i can help apply them on branches
07:56 chris      even if the dirs are just your bug track number
07:56 chris      http://patches.workbuffer.org/
07:57 chris      like that, but with more directories of course :)
07:58 chris      something like patches.biblibre.com/mt-1293/
07:58 chris      and in there 0001-something.patch 0003-something.patch 0102-something.patch
07:59 chris      then i will be able to do some in my evenings
08:12 paul_p     chris, you made a spelling mistake isn't it ? it's format patch against *biblibre*/master, then checkout koha/master, then... ?
08:18 chris      no
08:18 chris      you format your patches against koha/master
08:18 paul_p     how do you do a format-patch against koha/master ?
08:19 chris      git format-patch koha/master
08:19 chris      if koha is the name of your remote
08:19 paul_p     you can do that ? how will git take care of the conflict ?
08:19 chris      its making patches
08:20 chris      it wont have any conflicts
08:20 paul_p     ah, ok, I understand now.
08:21 paul_p     we will also have some patches from community/master already included in biblibre/master, they won't be formatted I hope, as they are already in both branches
08:23 chris      yep, git is pretty smart about that
08:29 chris      http://patches.workbuffer.org/ is what i plan to use to try and help track patches for 3.4
08:30 chris      so people can see where their patches are at, are they in the waiting for qa pile, or waiting for me pile, or rejected
08:31 magnus     chris++
08:34 kf         chris++
08:34 kf         feedback++
08:36 chris      i might add some more directories
08:36 chris      maybe apply_to_3_2
08:37 chris      ill talk with chris_n about that
08:45 chris      and of course any suggestions you guys have :)
08:52 magnus     next irc meeting scheduled for 19:00 UTC+0 on the 1 September 2010, but no page on the wiki yet, or am i missing something?
08:52 chris      the 1st?
08:53 magnus     looks like it: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-08-11#i_484091
08:54 chris      ahh that was the meeting i missed, no wonder i dont rememebr
08:54 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_11_August_2010
08:54 chris      ill link the transcript there
08:54 chris      and send out an email
08:55 chris      unless you want to send out the mail (reminder one)
08:55 magnus     i missed that too - it was my birthday... ;-)
08:58 magnus     chris: feel free
10:37 kf         chris: around?
10:38 chris      yup
10:38 kf         ah :)
10:38 kf         will you send a mail to the translators soon? I was thinking as we are now in feature and template freeze people can start translating
10:39 chris      yep, people have been
10:40 kf         perhaps for some languages where people are not so active a reminder would be nice
10:41 chris      yeah ill try to get time to send one in the next few days
10:44 kf         great :)
13:38 mib_w0pb7  greetings colleagues, just checking if there are any Koha users based in Zimbabwe?
13:47 kf         *sighs* impatient
13:47 kf         Adamson Nyoni Library, theological college of zimbabwe
13:48 kf         http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=54422
13:50 ivanc      hi all
13:50 kf         hi ivanc
14:27 jcamins    Hello, #koha
14:28 kf         hi jcamins :)
14:29 ivanc      hi kf
14:29 sekjal     morning, jcamins
14:31 jcamins    I see there's a meeting tomorrow at 3.
14:31 kf         no, it's at 9 ;)
14:32 jcamins    I'll try to show up when my wristwatch says 3. ;)
14:37 kf         jcamins: would you like to see the place of publication in opac and intranet?
14:38 jcamins    Hm.
14:38 jcamins    Sure, why not?
14:39 kf         ok, just testing if this change is ok .)
14:39 kf         and you are a cataloger
14:45 kf         :)
14:45 kf         reva asked about it too and our library, I will send a patch
14:49 tcohen     hi, i've just noticed that additem.pl fields appear unsorted
14:49 tcohen     is there a fix for that?
14:50 kf         hm, they are sorted in my dev installtion from current head - by subfield code
14:51 wizzyrea   I've been meaning to talk about that table
14:51 kf         tcohen: which version are u using?
14:51 tcohen     3.0.6
14:51 kf         hi wizzyrea
14:51 wizzyrea   (the entry order is fine)
14:52 kf         tcohen: sorry, I don't have a 3.0.x installation to test, in HEAD (3.2 to be) it seems ok to me
14:53 tcohen     i'll try to figure it out, perhaps its a problem with our translation
14:53 kf         Gesenius, Wilhelm,  F. C. W. Vogel, Description: ; Leipzig, , 1921 : xix, 1013, [1]p. ; 25cm. Freihand <- from staff result list - looks a bit strange, doesn't it
14:53 kf         ?
14:54 tcohen     i'll have to do some researh on how that list is constructed
14:55 wizzyrea   oh, and hi KF
14:55 jcamins    tcohen: are you talking about the list of items on the additem.pl screen, or the fields for adding a new item?
14:56 jcamins    Because the former seems to be sorted by itemid, which is really irritating.
14:56 tcohen     jcamins: i'm talking about the "add item" form
14:57 wizzyrea   oh yes, jcamins, that bugs us too
14:57 jcamins    Okay, then, yes, on recent builds of 3.1 that works fine for me.
14:59 wizzyrea   but I would still like to talk about the order of the columns on additem.pl
14:59 wizzyrea   >.>
14:59 wizzyrea   many of my librarians loathe that the most useful information is way to the right
15:00 jcamins    I completely understand where they're coming from.
15:00 wizzyrea   I recognize that it's in subfield order, and some might like that
15:01 jcamins    Huh. Do you know, I never realized that.
15:01 wizzyrea   in our libraries though, seeing "withdrawn" or Lost or Classification scheme really rates much lower than Ccode, shelving location, current/perm location, call number, and barcode
15:02 wizzyrea   and itype
15:03 wizzyrea   If I had a choice on how to order them, I would do it as follows: barcode, call number, ccode, itype, home location, current location, shelving location, the rest
15:04 * jcamins  thinks that sounds like a very nice order
15:05 kf         wizzyrea: nice, but perhaps not easy to do without breaking the configuration from frameworks
15:06 jcamins    Could you do it with jQuery?
15:06 kf         jcamins: rows are much easier than columns
15:06 jcamins    Oh. :(
15:06 jcamins    I guess that makes sense.
15:06 kf         I did delete some columns from the z39.50 result screen
15:07 kf         it's just more complicated, but I think it's possible, just not for me :(
15:08 jcamins    Why did I create a Framework called "ZZ Delete this framework"?
15:08 wizzyrea   Columns are easy to delete in jquery
15:08 wizzyrea   or hide
15:09 kf         wizzyrea: how do you do it?
15:09 wizzyrea   1s i'll shar
15:09 wizzyrea   e
15:09 wizzyrea   now this is not specifically related to koha
15:10 pastebot   "wizzyrea" at pasted "column removing jquery" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/58
15:10 kf         oh, I have to test this
15:10 kf         looks much easier than my solution!
15:10 wizzyrea   now, I didn't do any checking for values
15:10 wizzyrea   because I just wanted to nuke the column
15:10 kf         not sure this is necessary
15:11 kf         perhaps owen knows how to move columns
15:11 wizzyrea   well, I bet it's similar to removing them
15:11 wizzyrea   you maybe just assign a new index?
15:11 wizzyrea   kf now you've got me thinking...
15:13 kf         wizzyrea: I tried to google it, but without success
15:13 kf         we wanted the import column in z39.50 search results at the beginning
15:13 wizzyrea   kf: see pm
15:13 kf         it still looks complicated :)
15:13 wizzyrea   very
15:14 kf         hm it involves click
15:14 kf         perhaps a solution for drag and drop?
15:16 wizzyrea   looks like there are jquery plugins for this operation
15:16 wizzyrea   http://www.webdesignbooth.com/15-great-jquery-plugins-for-better-table-manipulation/
15:16 wizzyrea   specifically #9
15:17 wizzyrea   for the purposes of additem
15:17 wizzyrea   or #14
15:18 kf         wizzyrea: your solution works great for my problem
15:19 wizzyrea   \o/
15:21 tcohen     i've just added a "sort" in the relevant perls' foreach and its working properly
15:21 tcohen     sending a patch
15:25 kf         tcohen: sort by what?
15:25 tcohen     by subfield number, alphabetically
15:25 tcohen     ?
15:26 kf         ah
15:26 kf         sorry
15:26 tcohen     kf: sorry, I hadn't read what you where proposing
15:27 kf         ah, I was not proposing, just commenting on the code wizzyrea showed me
15:27 tcohen     ah, I was wondering what would our librarians prefer
15:28 kf         we were discussing to resort the columsn with jquery to get the more important columns at the beginning
15:28 tcohen     so I handled your comments as a question :D
15:28 jcamins    Where is the documentation on suppressing items in the OPAC?
15:32 jcamins    I know there's something somewhere.
15:33 jcamins    Ah, it's OpacSuppression.
15:34 sekjal     jcamins: and the trick is you have to have at least 1 biblio marked as suppressed before you turn OpacSuppression on
15:34 sekjal     otherwise stuff breaks
15:35 ivanc      I leave by
15:36 jcamins    sekjal: Okay. I will create the record first, then. Does our server already have the suppress index configured?
15:37 sekjal     jcamins: it should, but I'll double check
15:38 sekjal     yes
15:39 jcamins    Thanks!
15:40 sekjal     jcamins: gladly
15:43 sekjal     I just had an idea for how to make circulation permission MUCH more configurable an extensible!
15:44 kf         sounds dangerous ;)
15:44 sekjal     s/permission/rules/
15:46 sekjal     right now the rules table gives a field for each known rule, like fine, finedays, maxissueqty, etc.
15:46 sekjal     and we have to have 5-6 other tables to keep track of other kinds of rules
15:47 sekjal     plus, we've still got a ton of system preference level rules, like "noissuescharge" and "globalduedate" that can't be confirmed to the individual combo of itemtype/branchcode/patron category
15:47 kf         allowonshelfholds...
15:48 kf         sekjal: what is what you want to do? Now I am curious :)
15:49 sekjal     so, how about this: we change the data structure around so we have branchcode/itemtype/categorycode, then a 'key' (named like sysprefs) and a value
15:49 sekjal     basically, make issuing rules like system preferences
15:49 kf         I think we would need a real good interface for that
15:49 sekjal     agreed; the interface we have now isn't sufficient
15:50 sekjal     perhaps a 6th column indicating what page/tab/group the preference belongs to
15:50 kf         so you can see all values for a branch/itemtype/category, show which values are inherited from default values
15:50 kf         sorting
15:50 kf         the interface we have makes me load everything via swl
15:50 kf         I make so many mistakes manually adding or changing rules
15:51 kf         sekjal: I think your idea is great
15:52 kf         ok, I especially like the part about adding more global sys prefs to the matrix
15:53 sekjal     then we could change individual rules, like fine charging interval, without having to reenter all the preferences for that combo
15:53 sekjal     oh, and we should have a test tool: you put in the branch/item/patron combo, and it tells you all the rules as they are currently configured
15:54 kf         yes, or show all settings for all combinations for 1 sys pref
15:54 kf         hm, you know what I mean...
16:10 sekjal     sorry, had a quick meeting there
16:10 sekjal     yes, the tool should also be approachable from that direction
16:11 sekjal     either "give me all the rules for this combo" or "give me all the combos for this rule"
16:11 sekjal     we do this, and Koha will be that much better for consortial setups
16:11 wizzyrea   I like things that are better for consortial setups
16:11 wizzyrea   >.>
16:12 kf         wizzyrea: me too :) makes koha more flexible in a lot of ways
16:12 kf         not only for consortia - allowonshelfholds in circ matrix can solve my closed stacks problem for example
16:12 sekjal     I think this makes 4 RFCs I've got to write up and get on the wiki...
16:12 kf         sekjal++
16:13 kf         I can't help much with programming - but will try to do a lot of testing for 3.4
16:13 sekjal     oh, wait, 5 if I count redoing Notices
16:13 kf         redoing notices?
16:13 kf         can't wait to see what you want to do... we have really problems with that
16:14 wizzyrea   kf what kind of problems?
16:14 sekjal     first idea is to split between event-driven notices (like checkins, checkouts and holds available) and time-driven notices (predue, due, overdue, library events)
16:14 kf         oh, don't make me start
16:15 wizzyrea   >.<
16:15 kf         German libraries are doing it different
16:15 kf         weekly interval
16:15 wizzyrea   oh that
16:15 kf         grace period the time between due date and first fine, not accounted for findes
16:15 kf         send notice at the same day the fine was set
16:15 kf         is set?
16:15 kf         things like that
16:16 kf         I was going to work on that last week - but I am really slow and other things kept me away from it :(
16:17 kf         fredericd: I think I send a patch for your bug 5188
16:17 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5188 normal, P5, ---, frederic, NEW, Refining members search by category doesn't display a categories list
16:17 kf         not sending notices on holidays
16:17 kf         ok, now I am done :)
16:25 kf         ok, have I scared everybody away now? :)
16:26 * jcamins  peeks out from underneath the table
16:27 sekjal     kf: so, are your fines that are accrued for that night not being factored into your nightly notices?
16:27 kf         not sure I understand you
16:28 kf         what we want is set the find and send the notice, with the fine mentioned
16:28 kf         for every book
16:28 sekjal     kf: ah, okay
16:28 sekjal     so have the fine be a value that can be parsed into the notice
16:28 kf         and we would like to send them divided into 1st, 2nd and 3rd notices
16:29 kf         at the moment everything is mixed together and there is no way you can have them send out at the same day
16:29 kf         sekjal: you can do that now with work chris_n did, although I have a open bug report for that with a problem noone else seems to have, but I can reproduce on all our different isntallations
16:30 kf         but 4904
16:30 kf         bug 4904
16:30 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices
16:30 kf         ideally we would like to have different fines for every notice
16:31 kf         1.50 1st, + 3.00 2nd  + 4.50 3rd something like that
16:34 sekjal     hmmm, okay
16:34 kf         yep, it must sound strange :)
16:35 kf         it is a real problem for us, because most academic libraries in my state work like this, not easy to explain you can't do that
16:37 kf         don't think too much about it
16:53 jcamins    Does anyone know how frameworks are ordered in the "New Record" dropdown?
16:58 kf         jcamins: never thought about it
17:02 jcamins    I guess probably most people don't use enough frameworks for it to be confusing.
17:03 kf         bbl for the meeting
17:03 kf         oh, the meeting is tomorrow
17:35 cait       hi #koha
18:11 rhcl       Our receipts are printing out the library card number instead of the patron name. Where is that selection made?
18:14 cait       rhcl: you cant configure the receipts - which receipts are you speaking about?
18:18 rhcl       just that ... the receipts for items checked out. Surely this can be changed somewhere--even if it's hard coded
18:18 rhcl       Seems like that should be a configurable item...
18:18 cait       ah, email notifications?
18:19 rhcl       no no, a patron walks up to the circ desk, checks out a book, and gets a receipt
18:19 cait       slips are not configurable
18:19 cait       you will have to look at the code
18:19 rhcl       well, they should be
18:19 cait       but I wonder why the patron name is not there
18:19 rhcl       don't know
18:20 rhcl       IMHO there should be a layout editor for receipt slips--let you config what info (name, date, et al) and the place on the slip (top/bottom) you want it
18:21 cait       yeah, there should
18:21 cait       but sadly, there isn't at them moment
18:22 rhcl       wonder what it would take to get that done...me learning perl?
18:24 cait       to change the template, you will not need much, will be harder to write the editor
18:24 cait       what is perhaps the reason noone has done it yet
18:27 rhcl       ah, I'll bet one of the good coders on here could have that done in less than an hour. For just a simple line printer there would be very little formatting.
18:27 rhcl       not like writing OO Writer from scratch
18:28 cait       I think its printing a html page now
18:29 cait       so the proble is not formatting, but make that part editable with place holders for variables like the notices module does
18:29 cait       and 1 hour is not very much, to plan what you want to do, write good code, test it
18:30 rhcl       http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246    tnx wizzyrea
18:30 munin      04Bug 3246: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts)
18:33 rhcl       I wonder how munin parsed the bug from the link I posted...just a simple "bug" and "3246?" This line should test that idea.
18:33 wizzyrea   normally you have to have the bug and the number together
18:33 wizzyrea   and, it detects bug url's
18:34 wizzyrea   so if you say bug 3246
18:34 rhcl       icic
18:34 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts)
18:34 wizzyrea   3246
18:34 wizzyrea   doesn't work, obviously
18:36 rhcl       bug.......3246
18:36 * chris_n  walks in contentedly munching a chocolate chip cooking
18:36 rhcl       well, share some dude
18:36 * chris_n  passes the bag around
18:36 rhcl       ah, thanks
18:37 wizzyrea   woot cookies!
18:37 chris_n    however, the virtual kind are not really as tasty ;-)
18:37 wizzyrea   I just had a lovely snack of carrots, grapes, cheese, and pretzels :P
18:37 * chris_n  wonders if one could use quantum mechanics to send cookies via email?
18:37 mib_8t7mr  Hey guys.....I got some help form you yesterday regarding a slow full display page in Koha, recommened to run the cleanup script to clear session table
18:38 mib_8t7mr  The things is the script isn't anywhere on the installed system, which is a little strange. Should it be OK for me to use the script from a 3.0.6 install against the 3.0.5 install?
19:42 * wizzyrea wonders if chris is up yet.
19:44 mib_8t7mr  Hi Wizzy, I got disconnected earlier.....yesterday you were suggesting I run a cleanup database script to clear the session table. This script doesn't exist on 3.0.5 but would the 3.0.6 on be OK?
19:45 wizzyrea   I really have no idea, sorry :(
19:46 mib_8t7mr  OK. Thanks anyway
20:06 chris      Yeah on the bus
20:07 chris      And yes that script should be fine, back up your db first though :)
20:07 chris      Wizzyrea: what's up?
20:11 wizzyrea   I had a question about a thing but gmcharlt helped me :)
20:11 wizzyrea   is that vague enough, lol
20:11 chris      Heh
20:12 * chris    wanders off for a haircut
20:26 richard    hi
20:41 wizzyrea   anybody from biblibre around?
20:42 wizzyrea   I know it's wicked late there
20:42 wizzyrea   @later tell paul_p did you need your vendor listing updated on k-c.org to reflect your office move?
20:42 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:03 chris      back
21:04 richard    hey chris
21:14 sekjal     I was reading an old convo from a while back about an error with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
21:15 sekjal     I'm seeing the error:  Right truncation not supported ZOOM at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 242
21:15 sekjal     ccurry was asking about this last year
21:15 sekjal     I can't find a resolution in the chat logs
21:15 sekjal     does anyone recall this, and (hopefully) the solution?
21:16 chris      not ringing any bells sorry
21:17 sekjal     I just ran this script on another server, and it went fine (though it took 12 hours)
21:17 sekjal     in theory, I'm working with the same code on this machine
21:18 sekjal     though some underlying services could be different, and the data certainly is
21:20 chris      syspref thing?
21:22 sekjal     queryautotruncate is set to automatic
21:23 chris      on both?
21:23 sekjal     no, only on the failing system
21:23 chris      ahhh
21:23 sekjal     just changed it and tried again
21:23 sekjal     same error
21:23 chris      *fingers crossed*
21:26 sekjal     maybe it's my version of Zebra
21:28 sekjal     which doesn't seem to want to apt-get upgrade....
21:28 sekjal     ah well, too late in my day to keep pounding at it
21:28 sekjal     will try again tomorrow
21:30 sekjal     goodnight, #koha!
22:29 chris      oh hey look, its Shiny :)
22:30 darling    Shiny !
22:30 richard    with a capital S, no less
22:35 wasabi     oooh, so Shiny....
22:53 Shiny      'sup?
22:53 Shiny      oh wow -- i hae so many friends here
22:54 Shiny      i was working on this mykoha thing -- and since i was waiting for it to compile, i decided to lurk here
22:55 Shiny      what you folks do here all day?
22:56 chris      mostly its pretty quiet this time of the day, with only the nzers around, but it gets busy overnight with europe, india and the US
22:56 chris      meeting on here tomorrow round 7am nztime too
22:56 Shiny      oh, that's tomorrow?
22:56 Shiny      i saw the email, that's how i discoverd this channel
22:57 Shiny      of course.. UTC is a day behind
22:57 Shiny      you have to be awake and coherent at 7am?
22:57 anitsirk   and in front of a digital device ;-)
22:57 chris      :)
22:57 Shiny      i can top that.. OLPC have voice conferences at 3am NZ time.
22:58 chris      youch!
22:58 Shiny      very
22:58 anitsirk   3 am meetings / presentations are awesome as long as they don't happen too many times
22:59 Shiny      at least the phoen call is cheap then
22:59 chris      anitsirk: not so awesome when your voice wakes up your 2 kids, who wake up your wife
22:59 chris      least irc is quiet :)
23:00 anitsirk   no that's true. chris.
23:00 anitsirk   esp. in the small apartments that are around here in wellington