Time Nick Message 03:14 Amit heya chris 03:17 wasabi yo amit 03:17 Amit heya mason 03:17 wasabi hey hey 07:13 magnus g'day #koha 07:28 chris hi magnus 07:32 kf good morning #koha 07:39 chris hi kf and paul_p (and paul__p too) 07:44 kf hi chris :) 07:44 kf and paul_* 07:51 magnus hiya chris, kf, paul_p et al 07:52 paul_p hi chris, kf & magnus 07:52 kf hi magnus 07:53 kf robin++ 07:53 paul_p chris : hdl started to rebase biblibre/master against community/master, and ... it's really a huge job... (will require probably weeks) 07:53 chris yup 07:53 chris what i would do 07:54 chris format patch against koha/master 07:54 chris then checkout a koha/master branch, an apply the patches for a feature set 07:54 chris then you have that feature rebased, and move on to the next 07:55 chris otherwise you have to rebase the whole branch, then we just have to split it up anyway 07:55 chris and if you put the patches up in directories .. i can help apply them on branches 07:56 chris even if the dirs are just your bug track number 07:56 chris http://patches.workbuffer.org/ 07:57 chris like that, but with more directories of course :) 07:58 chris something like patches.biblibre.com/mt-1293/ 07:58 chris and in there 0001-something.patch 0003-something.patch 0102-something.patch 07:59 chris then i will be able to do some in my evenings 08:12 paul_p chris, you made a spelling mistake isn't it ? it's format patch against *biblibre*/master, then checkout koha/master, then... ? 08:18 chris no 08:18 chris you format your patches against koha/master 08:18 paul_p how do you do a format-patch against koha/master ? 08:19 chris git format-patch koha/master 08:19 chris if koha is the name of your remote 08:19 paul_p you can do that ? how will git take care of the conflict ? 08:19 chris its making patches 08:20 chris it wont have any conflicts 08:20 paul_p ah, ok, I understand now. 08:21 paul_p we will also have some patches from community/master already included in biblibre/master, they won't be formatted I hope, as they are already in both branches 08:23 chris yep, git is pretty smart about that 08:29 chris http://patches.workbuffer.org/ is what i plan to use to try and help track patches for 3.4 08:30 chris so people can see where their patches are at, are they in the waiting for qa pile, or waiting for me pile, or rejected 08:31 magnus chris++ 08:34 kf chris++ 08:34 kf feedback++ 08:36 chris i might add some more directories 08:36 chris maybe apply_to_3_2 08:37 chris ill talk with chris_n about that 08:45 chris and of course any suggestions you guys have :) 08:52 magnus next irc meeting scheduled for 19:00 UTC+0 on the 1 September 2010, but no page on the wiki yet, or am i missing something? 08:52 chris the 1st? 08:53 magnus looks like it: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-08-11#i_484091 08:54 chris ahh that was the meeting i missed, no wonder i dont rememebr 08:54 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_11_August_2010 08:54 chris ill link the transcript there 08:54 chris and send out an email 08:55 chris unless you want to send out the mail (reminder one) 08:55 magnus i missed that too - it was my birthday... ;-) 08:58 magnus chris: feel free 10:37 kf chris: around? 10:38 chris yup 10:38 kf ah :) 10:38 kf will you send a mail to the translators soon? I was thinking as we are now in feature and template freeze people can start translating 10:39 chris yep, people have been 10:40 kf perhaps for some languages where people are not so active a reminder would be nice 10:41 chris yeah ill try to get time to send one in the next few days 10:44 kf great :) 13:38 mib_w0pb7 greetings colleagues, just checking if there are any Koha users based in Zimbabwe? 13:47 kf *sighs* impatient 13:47 kf Adamson Nyoni Library, theological college of zimbabwe 13:48 kf http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=54422 13:50 ivanc hi all 13:50 kf hi ivanc 14:27 jcamins Hello, #koha 14:28 kf hi jcamins :) 14:29 ivanc hi kf 14:29 sekjal morning, jcamins 14:31 jcamins I see there's a meeting tomorrow at 3. 14:31 kf no, it's at 9 ;) 14:32 jcamins I'll try to show up when my wristwatch says 3. ;) 14:37 kf jcamins: would you like to see the place of publication in opac and intranet? 14:38 jcamins Hm. 14:38 jcamins Sure, why not? 14:39 kf ok, just testing if this change is ok .) 14:39 kf and you are a cataloger 14:45 kf :) 14:45 kf reva asked about it too and our library, I will send a patch 14:49 tcohen hi, i've just noticed that additem.pl fields appear unsorted 14:49 tcohen is there a fix for that? 14:50 kf hm, they are sorted in my dev installtion from current head - by subfield code 14:51 wizzyrea I've been meaning to talk about that table 14:51 kf tcohen: which version are u using? 14:51 tcohen 3.0.6 14:51 kf hi wizzyrea 14:51 wizzyrea (the entry order is fine) 14:52 kf tcohen: sorry, I don't have a 3.0.x installation to test, in HEAD (3.2 to be) it seems ok to me 14:53 tcohen i'll try to figure it out, perhaps its a problem with our translation 14:53 kf Gesenius, Wilhelm, F. C. W. Vogel, Description: ; Leipzig, , 1921 : xix, 1013, [1]p. ; 25cm. Freihand <- from staff result list - looks a bit strange, doesn't it 14:53 kf ? 14:54 tcohen i'll have to do some researh on how that list is constructed 14:55 wizzyrea oh, and hi KF 14:55 jcamins tcohen: are you talking about the list of items on the additem.pl screen, or the fields for adding a new item? 14:56 jcamins Because the former seems to be sorted by itemid, which is really irritating. 14:56 tcohen jcamins: i'm talking about the "add item" form 14:57 wizzyrea oh yes, jcamins, that bugs us too 14:57 jcamins Okay, then, yes, on recent builds of 3.1 that works fine for me. 14:59 wizzyrea but I would still like to talk about the order of the columns on additem.pl 14:59 wizzyrea >.> 14:59 wizzyrea many of my librarians loathe that the most useful information is way to the right 15:00 jcamins I completely understand where they're coming from. 15:00 wizzyrea I recognize that it's in subfield order, and some might like that 15:01 jcamins Huh. Do you know, I never realized that. 15:01 wizzyrea in our libraries though, seeing "withdrawn" or Lost or Classification scheme really rates much lower than Ccode, shelving location, current/perm location, call number, and barcode 15:02 wizzyrea and itype 15:03 wizzyrea If I had a choice on how to order them, I would do it as follows: barcode, call number, ccode, itype, home location, current location, shelving location, the rest 15:04 * jcamins thinks that sounds like a very nice order 15:05 kf wizzyrea: nice, but perhaps not easy to do without breaking the configuration from frameworks 15:06 jcamins Could you do it with jQuery? 15:06 kf jcamins: rows are much easier than columns 15:06 jcamins Oh. :( 15:06 jcamins I guess that makes sense. 15:06 kf I did delete some columns from the z39.50 result screen 15:07 kf it's just more complicated, but I think it's possible, just not for me :( 15:08 jcamins Why did I create a Framework called "ZZ Delete this framework"? 15:08 wizzyrea Columns are easy to delete in jquery 15:08 wizzyrea or hide 15:09 kf wizzyrea: how do you do it? 15:09 wizzyrea 1s i'll shar 15:09 wizzyrea e 15:09 wizzyrea now this is not specifically related to koha 15:10 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "column removing jquery" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/58 15:10 kf oh, I have to test this 15:10 kf looks much easier than my solution! 15:10 wizzyrea now, I didn't do any checking for values 15:10 wizzyrea because I just wanted to nuke the column 15:10 kf not sure this is necessary 15:11 kf perhaps owen knows how to move columns 15:11 wizzyrea well, I bet it's similar to removing them 15:11 wizzyrea you maybe just assign a new index? 15:11 wizzyrea kf now you've got me thinking... 15:13 kf wizzyrea: I tried to google it, but without success 15:13 kf we wanted the import column in z39.50 search results at the beginning 15:13 wizzyrea kf: see pm 15:13 kf it still looks complicated :) 15:13 wizzyrea very 15:14 kf hm it involves click 15:14 kf perhaps a solution for drag and drop? 15:16 wizzyrea looks like there are jquery plugins for this operation 15:16 wizzyrea http://www.webdesignbooth.com/15-great-jquery-plugins-for-better-table-manipulation/ 15:16 wizzyrea specifically #9 15:17 wizzyrea for the purposes of additem 15:17 wizzyrea or #14 15:18 kf wizzyrea: your solution works great for my problem 15:19 wizzyrea \o/ 15:21 tcohen i've just added a "sort" in the relevant perls' foreach and its working properly 15:21 tcohen sending a patch 15:25 kf tcohen: sort by what? 15:25 tcohen by subfield number, alphabetically 15:25 tcohen ? 15:26 kf ah 15:26 kf sorry 15:26 tcohen kf: sorry, I hadn't read what you where proposing 15:27 kf ah, I was not proposing, just commenting on the code wizzyrea showed me 15:27 tcohen ah, I was wondering what would our librarians prefer 15:28 kf we were discussing to resort the columsn with jquery to get the more important columns at the beginning 15:28 tcohen so I handled your comments as a question :D 15:28 jcamins Where is the documentation on suppressing items in the OPAC? 15:32 jcamins I know there's something somewhere. 15:33 jcamins Ah, it's OpacSuppression. 15:34 sekjal jcamins: and the trick is you have to have at least 1 biblio marked as suppressed before you turn OpacSuppression on 15:34 sekjal otherwise stuff breaks 15:35 ivanc I leave by 15:36 jcamins sekjal: Okay. I will create the record first, then. Does our server already have the suppress index configured? 15:37 sekjal jcamins: it should, but I'll double check 15:38 sekjal yes 15:39 jcamins Thanks! 15:40 sekjal jcamins: gladly 15:43 sekjal I just had an idea for how to make circulation permission MUCH more configurable an extensible! 15:44 kf sounds dangerous ;) 15:44 sekjal s/permission/rules/ 15:46 sekjal right now the rules table gives a field for each known rule, like fine, finedays, maxissueqty, etc. 15:46 sekjal and we have to have 5-6 other tables to keep track of other kinds of rules 15:47 sekjal plus, we've still got a ton of system preference level rules, like "noissuescharge" and "globalduedate" that can't be confirmed to the individual combo of itemtype/branchcode/patron category 15:47 kf allowonshelfholds... 15:48 kf sekjal: what is what you want to do? Now I am curious :) 15:49 sekjal so, how about this: we change the data structure around so we have branchcode/itemtype/categorycode, then a 'key' (named like sysprefs) and a value 15:49 sekjal basically, make issuing rules like system preferences 15:49 kf I think we would need a real good interface for that 15:49 sekjal agreed; the interface we have now isn't sufficient 15:50 sekjal perhaps a 6th column indicating what page/tab/group the preference belongs to 15:50 kf so you can see all values for a branch/itemtype/category, show which values are inherited from default values 15:50 kf sorting 15:50 kf the interface we have makes me load everything via swl 15:50 kf I make so many mistakes manually adding or changing rules 15:51 kf sekjal: I think your idea is great 15:52 kf ok, I especially like the part about adding more global sys prefs to the matrix 15:53 sekjal then we could change individual rules, like fine charging interval, without having to reenter all the preferences for that combo 15:53 sekjal oh, and we should have a test tool: you put in the branch/item/patron combo, and it tells you all the rules as they are currently configured 15:54 kf yes, or show all settings for all combinations for 1 sys pref 15:54 kf hm, you know what I mean... 16:10 sekjal sorry, had a quick meeting there 16:10 sekjal yes, the tool should also be approachable from that direction 16:11 sekjal either "give me all the rules for this combo" or "give me all the combos for this rule" 16:11 sekjal we do this, and Koha will be that much better for consortial setups 16:11 wizzyrea I like things that are better for consortial setups 16:11 wizzyrea >.> 16:12 kf wizzyrea: me too :) makes koha more flexible in a lot of ways 16:12 kf not only for consortia - allowonshelfholds in circ matrix can solve my closed stacks problem for example 16:12 sekjal I think this makes 4 RFCs I've got to write up and get on the wiki... 16:12 kf sekjal++ 16:13 kf I can't help much with programming - but will try to do a lot of testing for 3.4 16:13 sekjal oh, wait, 5 if I count redoing Notices 16:13 kf redoing notices? 16:13 kf can't wait to see what you want to do... we have really problems with that 16:14 wizzyrea kf what kind of problems? 16:14 sekjal first idea is to split between event-driven notices (like checkins, checkouts and holds available) and time-driven notices (predue, due, overdue, library events) 16:14 kf oh, don't make me start 16:15 wizzyrea >.< 16:15 kf German libraries are doing it different 16:15 kf weekly interval 16:15 wizzyrea oh that 16:15 kf grace period the time between due date and first fine, not accounted for findes 16:15 kf send notice at the same day the fine was set 16:15 kf is set? 16:15 kf things like that 16:16 kf I was going to work on that last week - but I am really slow and other things kept me away from it :( 16:17 kf fredericd: I think I send a patch for your bug 5188 16:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5188 normal, P5, ---, frederic, NEW, Refining members search by category doesn't display a categories list 16:17 kf not sending notices on holidays 16:17 kf ok, now I am done :) 16:25 kf ok, have I scared everybody away now? :) 16:26 * jcamins peeks out from underneath the table 16:27 sekjal kf: so, are your fines that are accrued for that night not being factored into your nightly notices? 16:27 kf not sure I understand you 16:28 kf what we want is set the find and send the notice, with the fine mentioned 16:28 kf for every book 16:28 sekjal kf: ah, okay 16:28 sekjal so have the fine be a value that can be parsed into the notice 16:28 kf and we would like to send them divided into 1st, 2nd and 3rd notices 16:29 kf at the moment everything is mixed together and there is no way you can have them send out at the same day 16:29 kf sekjal: you can do that now with work chris_n did, although I have a open bug report for that with a problem noone else seems to have, but I can reproduce on all our different isntallations 16:30 kf but 4904 16:30 kf bug 4904 16:30 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices 16:30 kf ideally we would like to have different fines for every notice 16:31 kf 1.50 1st, + 3.00 2nd + 4.50 3rd something like that 16:34 sekjal hmmm, okay 16:34 kf yep, it must sound strange :) 16:35 kf it is a real problem for us, because most academic libraries in my state work like this, not easy to explain you can't do that 16:37 kf don't think too much about it 16:53 jcamins Does anyone know how frameworks are ordered in the "New Record" dropdown? 16:58 kf jcamins: never thought about it 17:02 jcamins I guess probably most people don't use enough frameworks for it to be confusing. 17:03 kf bbl for the meeting 17:03 kf oh, the meeting is tomorrow 17:35 cait hi #koha 18:11 rhcl Our receipts are printing out the library card number instead of the patron name. Where is that selection made? 18:14 cait rhcl: you cant configure the receipts - which receipts are you speaking about? 18:18 rhcl just that ... the receipts for items checked out. Surely this can be changed somewhere--even if it's hard coded 18:18 rhcl Seems like that should be a configurable item... 18:18 cait ah, email notifications? 18:19 rhcl no no, a patron walks up to the circ desk, checks out a book, and gets a receipt 18:19 cait slips are not configurable 18:19 cait you will have to look at the code 18:19 rhcl well, they should be 18:19 cait but I wonder why the patron name is not there 18:19 rhcl don't know 18:20 rhcl IMHO there should be a layout editor for receipt slips--let you config what info (name, date, et al) and the place on the slip (top/bottom) you want it 18:21 cait yeah, there should 18:21 cait but sadly, there isn't at them moment 18:22 rhcl wonder what it would take to get that done...me learning perl? 18:24 cait to change the template, you will not need much, will be harder to write the editor 18:24 cait what is perhaps the reason noone has done it yet 18:27 rhcl ah, I'll bet one of the good coders on here could have that done in less than an hour. For just a simple line printer there would be very little formatting. 18:27 rhcl not like writing OO Writer from scratch 18:28 cait I think its printing a html page now 18:29 cait so the proble is not formatting, but make that part editable with place holders for variables like the notices module does 18:29 cait and 1 hour is not very much, to plan what you want to do, write good code, test it 18:30 rhcl http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246 tnx wizzyrea 18:30 munin 04Bug 3246: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts) 18:33 rhcl I wonder how munin parsed the bug from the link I posted...just a simple "bug" and "3246?" This line should test that idea. 18:33 wizzyrea normally you have to have the bug and the number together 18:33 wizzyrea and, it detects bug url's 18:34 wizzyrea so if you say bug 3246 18:34 rhcl icic 18:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3246 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts) 18:34 wizzyrea 3246 18:34 wizzyrea doesn't work, obviously 18:36 rhcl bug.......3246 18:36 * chris_n walks in contentedly munching a chocolate chip cooking 18:36 rhcl well, share some dude 18:36 * chris_n passes the bag around 18:36 rhcl ah, thanks 18:37 wizzyrea woot cookies! 18:37 chris_n however, the virtual kind are not really as tasty ;-) 18:37 wizzyrea I just had a lovely snack of carrots, grapes, cheese, and pretzels :P 18:37 * chris_n wonders if one could use quantum mechanics to send cookies via email? 18:37 mib_8t7mr Hey guys.....I got some help form you yesterday regarding a slow full display page in Koha, recommened to run the cleanup script to clear session table 18:38 mib_8t7mr The things is the script isn't anywhere on the installed system, which is a little strange. Should it be OK for me to use the script from a 3.0.6 install against the 3.0.5 install? 19:42 * wizzyrea wonders if chris is up yet. 19:44 mib_8t7mr Hi Wizzy, I got disconnected earlier.....yesterday you were suggesting I run a cleanup database script to clear the session table. This script doesn't exist on 3.0.5 but would the 3.0.6 on be OK? 19:45 wizzyrea I really have no idea, sorry :( 19:46 mib_8t7mr OK. Thanks anyway 20:06 chris Yeah on the bus 20:07 chris And yes that script should be fine, back up your db first though :) 20:07 chris Wizzyrea: what's up? 20:11 wizzyrea I had a question about a thing but gmcharlt helped me :) 20:11 wizzyrea is that vague enough, lol 20:11 chris Heh 20:12 * chris wanders off for a haircut 20:26 richard hi 20:41 wizzyrea anybody from biblibre around? 20:42 wizzyrea I know it's wicked late there 20:42 wizzyrea @later tell paul_p did you need your vendor listing updated on k-c.org to reflect your office move? 20:42 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:03 chris back 21:04 richard hey chris 21:14 sekjal I was reading an old convo from a while back about an error with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 21:15 sekjal I'm seeing the error: Right truncation not supported ZOOM at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 242 21:15 sekjal ccurry was asking about this last year 21:15 sekjal I can't find a resolution in the chat logs 21:15 sekjal does anyone recall this, and (hopefully) the solution? 21:16 chris not ringing any bells sorry 21:17 sekjal I just ran this script on another server, and it went fine (though it took 12 hours) 21:17 sekjal in theory, I'm working with the same code on this machine 21:18 sekjal though some underlying services could be different, and the data certainly is 21:20 chris syspref thing? 21:22 sekjal queryautotruncate is set to automatic 21:23 chris on both? 21:23 sekjal no, only on the failing system 21:23 chris ahhh 21:23 sekjal just changed it and tried again 21:23 sekjal same error 21:23 chris *fingers crossed* 21:26 sekjal maybe it's my version of Zebra 21:28 sekjal which doesn't seem to want to apt-get upgrade.... 21:28 sekjal ah well, too late in my day to keep pounding at it 21:28 sekjal will try again tomorrow 21:30 sekjal goodnight, #koha! 22:29 chris oh hey look, its Shiny :) 22:30 darling Shiny ! 22:30 richard with a capital S, no less 22:35 wasabi oooh, so Shiny.... 22:53 Shiny 'sup? 22:53 Shiny oh wow -- i hae so many friends here 22:54 Shiny i was working on this mykoha thing -- and since i was waiting for it to compile, i decided to lurk here 22:55 Shiny what you folks do here all day? 22:56 chris mostly its pretty quiet this time of the day, with only the nzers around, but it gets busy overnight with europe, india and the US 22:56 chris meeting on here tomorrow round 7am nztime too 22:56 Shiny oh, that's tomorrow? 22:56 Shiny i saw the email, that's how i discoverd this channel 22:57 Shiny of course.. UTC is a day behind 22:57 Shiny you have to be awake and coherent at 7am? 22:57 anitsirk and in front of a digital device ;-) 22:57 chris :) 22:57 Shiny i can top that.. OLPC have voice conferences at 3am NZ time. 22:58 chris youch! 22:58 Shiny very 22:58 anitsirk 3 am meetings / presentations are awesome as long as they don't happen too many times 22:59 Shiny at least the phoen call is cheap then 22:59 chris anitsirk: not so awesome when your voice wakes up your 2 kids, who wake up your wife 22:59 chris least irc is quiet :) 23:00 anitsirk no that's true. chris. 23:00 anitsirk esp. in the small apartments that are around here in wellington