Time  Nick       Message
03:22 Amit       heya chris
04:36 chobbs     anyone awake?
04:37 robin      nope
04:40 chobbs     no worries - tracked down my issue on my own :)
04:41 smustafa   good morning everyone.
04:42 smustafa   Is Chris available at this time? to discuss how to get Zebra working on DEV koha setup...
05:02 wasabi     smustafa: chris has prolly just left werk, to go home..
05:02 smustafa   oh ok
05:03 wasabi     5pm, NZ time
05:03 wasabi     smustafa:  but ask way... :)
05:03 wasabi     s/way/away/
05:04 smustafa   export KOHA_CONF=/home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
05:04 smustafa   I did that as koha:koha
05:04 smustafa   then I did perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
05:04 smustafa   but it shows nothing on the screen.  Just stays there hanging....
05:04 smustafa   :( :(
05:05 cait       morning #koha
05:12 smustafa   any ideas wasabi?
05:12 smustafa   or cait?
05:12 smustafa   <smustafa>	export KOHA_CONF=/home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 	<smustafa>	I did that as koha:koha 	<smustafa>	then I did perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 	<smustafa>	but it shows nothing on the screen. Just stays there hanging....
05:12 smustafa   trying to setup Zebra on my Koha-DEV setup...but when I run the rebuild_zebra.pl tool it does not work...
05:13 cait       sorry smustafa, no real idea
05:13 smustafa   ok..
05:13 cait       I would peraps try -v as option to see more
05:13 cait       and make sure your zebra files are owned by your koha user
05:14 wasabi     smustafa:  rebuild_zebra.pl  -v
05:14 wasabi     -v means verbose
05:15 smustafa   oh is that why...ok now I see things showing up....
05:15 wasabi     ;)
05:15 smustafa   ok thanks wasabi.. :)
05:16 wasabi     look for file-permission errors at the end of the rebuild...
05:16 cait       sorry, I just got up
05:17 wasabi     as cait said before
05:17 cait       still half asleep :)
05:18 wasabi     $ chown -R koha:koha  /home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/zebradb
05:18 wasabi     to fix your possible file-perm errors...
05:21 smustafa   THanks, I shall do that :)
05:26 Amit       heya wasabi
05:29 wasabi     hey amit
05:32 cait       hi Amit
05:33 smustafa   I can't seem to search eventhough I ran the zebra indexing
05:33 smustafa   it does not return anything..
05:34 cait       is your zebrasrv running?
05:35 smustafa   well I think so, otherwise the zebraindexing would not be running right?
05:35 smustafa   It shows exporting biblio....................etc etc
05:35 smustafa   when I ran in it..
05:36 Amit       heya cait
05:37 cait       not sure one needs the other
05:37 smustafa   well at the last step of REINDINXG Zebra
05:37 smustafa   +++++++++++++++++++++++
05:37 cait       no errors in the output of rebuild zebra?
05:38 smustafa   it is trying to load some filter modules...and it works ok, but then it stops at 01:47:06-26/08 zebraidx(26648) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-alvis.so
05:38 smustafa   not sure why..
05:38 cait       me neither
05:38 smustafa   The size of koha-zebradaemon.err and koha-zebradaemon-output.log is 0 both
05:38 smustafa   same for the koha-zebraqueue.err and koha-zebraqueue-output.log
05:38 smustafa   also 0 size..
05:38 cait       but most of the times indexing was ok and I got no results I forgot to start zebrasrv
05:39 smustafa   how do I start it..
05:46 cait       sorry, I can't look at my notes now, have to get ready for work
05:50 smustafa   its alright :)
06:14 wasabi     smustafa: $ ps -ef|grep zebrasrv
06:15 wasabi     is how to check
06:16 cait       bbl
06:16 wasabi     but, if you dont rememebr starting your zebrasrv, process then it prolly is not started
06:17 wasabi     zebra-indexing, and the zebrasrv process are 2 seperate things
06:18 wasabi     smustafa: $ zebrasrv -f  /home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
06:18 wasabi     ... starts your zeb
06:18 smustafa   ok let me try that wasabi
06:19 wasabi     then try yr search again
06:21 smustafa   let me try that and get back to you dear
06:23 wasabi     yep, no problem..
06:25 smustafa   it is still saying exporting biblio
06:25 smustafa   so I am waiting..
06:25 larsw      chris, http://soap.docstory.fi/posts/birds/ :)
06:26 smustafa   I think it is working Wasabi, I see that it is adding gr.marcxml.record and it was not doing that before..
06:29 wasabi     its working, when you get search-results back ;)
06:34 magnus     g'day #koha
06:42 smustafa   ok dear it worked
06:42 smustafa   Thanks wasabi :D
06:42 wasabi     ooh, great stuff!
06:43 wasabi     ive got a train to catch now....
06:53 smustafa   ok bye :)
06:53 kf         hi äkoha
06:53 kf         #koha
06:54 kf         smustafa: your zebra working now?
06:54 smustafa   yes dear
06:56 kf         ah, great :)
07:02 hdl        hi all
07:05 kf         hi hdl
07:22 hdl        *
07:51 kf         crazy week
08:05 chris      larsw: cool :)
08:06 hdl        hi magnus
08:06 hdl        hi chris
08:06 chris      hiya hdl
08:11 magnus     hiya chris, hdl, kf et al
08:14 magnus     larsw: i'm looking even more forward to kohacon now... ;-)
08:15 magnus     and talking about nz birds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY
08:18 chris      magnus: just dont copy your fellow norwegians and shoot them :)
08:18 chris      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3659020/Charges-for-tourists-who-killed-kereru
08:19 magnus     i remember that one, yeah. i|ll make sure i stay a long way away from any firearms...
08:21 chris      a pretty good rule in general i reckon :)
08:22 magnus     hm, maybe i should track them down, stuff them in my suitcase and hand them over to the authorities on my arrival in nz...
08:22 chris      hehe
08:29 kf         hi chris and magnus
08:32 chris      hi kf
09:42 magnus     anyone from biblibre around?
09:43 kf         I think hdl was here earlier
09:44 hdl        magnus: yes.
09:54 * chris    bumped into the cuecatdecode code today, and that reminded me to do a new unsung heroes post
10:15 kf         chris: hm, didn't you mention the cuecat code in one of your earlier posts?
10:16 kf         hm, perhaps I read about it in the history :)
10:17 kf         yep: May 18 2001 Glen Stewart leaves his job and working on Koha, gives us cuecat decoding code as a parting gift.
10:22 chris      yup, it still exists
10:57 magnus     how do y'all interpret marc field 952$0 (zero) "withdrawn" - something that has been withdrawn by the publisher?
10:58 magnus     or to put it another way: how would you code an item that has been scrapped/thrown away, but where the record should still be kept in the catalogue? just delete the scrapped item?
11:00 kf         sounds confusing for the patron
11:01 kf         I think mark it as withdrawn is better, but not sure what consequences this has for search, checkout etc. our libraries are not using it
11:04 magnus     kf: what's confusing? records without items?
11:05 kf         yep
11:14 magnus     kf: i guess i agree... i'll ask if i can delete the records, i think
11:18 mib_66k37  hola
11:19 mib_66k37  hi
11:21 dagentoob  hey
11:22 dagentoob  anyone know a way to rebuild the zebra database
11:22 dagentoob  ??
11:22 dagentoob  I tried rebuild_zebra.pl
11:22 dagentoob  and I am still getting search results for the wrong thing
11:24 dagentoob  can I delete the whole zebra DB and start over?
11:24 kf         dagentoob: which options did u use for your rebuild?
11:25 kf         there is an option to do that for rebuild_zebra.pl
11:25 kf         dagentoob: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#5
11:25 dagentoob  ./bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a
11:28 dagentoob  k
11:28 mib_66k37  I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ?
11:29 dagentoob  I keep looking at koha.org and not finding stuff
11:29 dagentoob  thansk
11:29 dagentoob  thanks
11:34 mib_66k37  I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ?
11:35 druthb     Mornin', #koha.
11:37 mib_66k37  I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ?
11:38 druthb     mib_66k37: the ones that install naturally with Debian (using netinstall or apt-get) work Just Fine.
11:39 mib_66k37  druthb: thanks
11:40 druthb     you betcha.  Koha is pretty tolerant of that sort of thing; install it according to the directions, and it just works.
11:40 mib_66k37  druthb: what version of koha recommended me for a first installation?
11:41 Amit       heya jwagner
11:42 jwagner    Hi Amit
11:42 druthb     The 3.0.x series is really solid, but there are a lot of newer features in the 3.2 release candidate that are worth looking at, at the cost of (possible) bugs here and there.  I think most of the worst ones have been worked out.
11:42 magnus     dagentoob: run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -h option to see available options
11:43 mib_66k37  druthb: thank you very much
11:43 druthb     my pleasure. :)
11:52 pentarex   hey guys
11:52 pentarex   is there anyone who knows something about integrating koha to drupal via sopac ?
11:53 Amit       heya pentarex
11:53 kf         pentarex: there is some information about it in the manual on koha.org
11:54 kf         args
11:54 kf         koha-community.org
11:54 pentarex   yeah ive saw it but i cannot make my search I dont understand about this prefix
11:54 pentarex   SOPAC URL prefix
11:54 pentarex   and the node prefix
11:55 pentarex   anyone got any experience here ?
11:55 kf         sorry pentarex, I have never installed it myself. perhaps someone from biblibre can help, they have done the work on sopac integration
11:55 pentarex   do they have IRC channel ?
11:58 owen       pentarex, you will often find them here: paul_p, hdl, nahuel
11:58 owen       I guess not today
13:02 magnus     hiya nengard
13:02 nengard    howdy
13:08 jcamins    Good morning, #koha (it's Thursday, not Friday like I thought it was going to be :( )
13:10 nengard    sorry jcamins ... i understand your disappointment :(
13:11 nengard    anyone else having trouble with the koha site?
13:13 jcamins    nengard: I am, but I'm having trouble with the internet in general.
13:13 nengard    hmmm
13:13 magnus     nengard: looks a bit slow from here
13:14 nengard    k - good it's not just me, it timed out on me
13:20 jwagner    nengard, which site?
13:22 nengard    koha's site - but i think it's cause liz was upgrading - it's on the new new wp now! :)
13:25 kf         jcamins: is today not your big day?
13:27 jcamins    No, I thought yesterday was Thursday. It's not. :'(
13:27 jcamins    So now I am counting the hours so I can't get confused. ;)
13:27 jcamins    25, in case anyone was wondering. :)
13:29 nengard    hehe
13:30 kf         :)
13:30 kf         we will help and remind you if we see you here tomorrow!
13:32 jcamins    Thank you.
13:32 jcamins    I realized why, though... my server thinks it's tomorrow.
13:32 jcamins    I should probably fix this.
13:38 pentarex   what is koha harvest port ?
13:46 hilongo    hello #koha :)
13:50 magnus     g'bye #koha
13:50 hilongo    I'm testing the future 3.2 and messing around with the 'suspension in days' circ rules
13:51 hilongo    I have found that this works... had some overdued loans and the patrong gets 'suspended' acording to the rules
13:53 hilongo    what I can't find is where this info is saved. as hdl said to me a few days ago, the patron gets debarred until certain date but I cannot see that date in the patron's record in borrowers table
13:54 hilongo    so ... where would it be? :)
13:56 sekjal     hilongo: as I recall, the date isn't stored anywhere
13:57 sekjal     the system does some kind of dynamic thing based off the issuing record
14:01 hilongo    really? ... wow :)
14:02 slef       @seen gmcharlt
14:02 munin      slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 22 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> with lots of help - ideally Linus would right it, then have an editor to translate to remove the "Git-qua-Linus" aspects of the text
14:02 gmcharlt   hi slef
14:02 slef       heh
14:02 slef       hi all
14:03 sekjal     hilongo: I remember messing with Suspension in Days, and being kind of confused by it, and I think that's what I found
14:03 sekjal     that was a lot of operations back, and my mental history file only so long
14:04 hdl        hi
14:06 hilongo    hi hdl :)
14:21 jcamins    slef++ # I've been wishing someone would put explanations for sysprefs onto the wiki
14:24 nengard    jcamins - what kind of explanation? what they do? cause that's in the manual? or how to add prefs to the code?
14:25 slef       how to add prefs to the code
14:26 slef       check wiki recent changes
14:26 slef       or koha-patches list email
14:27 wizzyrea   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences#Adding_a_new_system_preference
14:27 jcamins    The latter.
14:28 jcamins    I need these things in very simple language. ;)
14:28 jcamins    chris_n++ # for providing slef with the explanation that is now on the wiki
14:30 * chris_n  waves as he heads back out
14:31 jwagner    I'm still a bit confused, though.  Since I do patches that are meant for several levels of code, am I correct in believing that it won't _hurt_ anything to submit a patch at current head that also has the sysprefs.sql updates?
14:32 jwagner    And conversely, if I do a patch at a lower level, the yaml stuff won't hurt it?
14:32 jwagner    Or do I need to do separate patches depending on the level?
14:38 jwagner    gmcharlt?
14:38 pentarex   hey can koha users  use different library cards for different library i mean if  I have library card for library Centerville can I use other for Union ?
14:38 slef       pentarex: yes, but the borrower accounts won't be linked AFAICR
14:39 sekjal     pentarex: slef is right; you'd have to have two separate patron records for each barcode
14:39 * slef     boogies
14:41 gmcharlt   jwagner: correct - do both
14:41 pentarex   10x for the answer
14:42 nengard    got a question - does the last seen date get updated when editing items (in batches or one by one)?
14:42 jwagner    gmcharlt, two separate patches?
14:42 gmcharlt   single, preferably
14:43 jwagner    OK, one patch with both the .pref change and the .sql change?
15:29 davi       Is already in the wiki the re-licensing option: AGPLv3+, GPLv3+, as now
15:30 davi       in the wiki, with its description, so that we can review them
15:30 davi       as I promised
15:34 kf         owen: around?
15:34 owen       Yes
15:34 kf         bug 5178
15:34 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5178 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, New order from suggestion pulls wrong field for copyright date
15:35 kf         I have a patch for part of that problem that, it's a UNIMARC/MARC21 problem
15:35 kf         if you order from a suggestion a new marc record is created, unimarc has no mapping to copyrightdate, it has publicationyear
15:35 kf         ah
15:36 kf         perhaps I am wrong, my patch addresses new orders from nothing
15:37 slef       owen: did I ever find out what you wanted a few days ago?
15:37 owen       slef: If only I could remember what it was about...
15:38 kf         owen: I was talking about bug 5090
15:38 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN
15:38 owen       Thanks kf, I'll take a look at the patch to see if it applies to my bug as well.
15:39 owen       Does copyright date not exist in UNIMARC, or is it a matter of which date it prefers?
15:39 kf         owen: did not want to cause confusion
15:39 kf         it's the standard mapping
15:40 kf         marc21: 260c = copyrightdate
15:40 kf         unimar: ??? = publicationyear, no mapping for copyrightdate, marc21 no mapping for publicationyear
15:40 owen       Hence no end of headaches for all of us
15:40 kf         yep
15:41 kf         but suggestions is a table, as long as no marc record is created, your problem might be different
15:41 kf         but perhaps the confusion is caused by this fact
15:42 nengard    got a question - does the last seen date get updated when editing items (in batches or one by one)?
15:42 kf         it took me a week to find and solve the problem - I m still very slow at those things - but chris tested my patch
15:42 jcamins    nengard: yes, it seems to.
15:42 nengard    thanks
15:43 owen       I wonder if the French translation of Koha takes care of the "publication year" vs. "copyright date" labels?
15:44 kf         I think the difference is not even very clear in marc21
15:44 kf         not to me
15:45 kf         in German I use Erscheinungsjahr everywhere
15:52 owen       kf++
15:52 owen       Your patch takes care of my bug as well
15:53 kf         oh cool :)
15:53 kf         I thought it was different because of suggestion vs. new order from empty :
16:00 kf         owen: not sure it is actually a bug, but if you enter something like "unknown" into publication year, it will be deleted
16:01 kf         or not deleted, it's in the record, but there is code so that only the numeric part of the entry is saved to publication year or copyright date
16:02 owen       Probably the same code that turnes "c. 1990" into a numeric date.
16:02 kf         yes
16:02 kf         so if you have no numbers, it will show nothing
16:02 kf         because the display pulls not from the record, but from the database
16:03 kf         this was very confusing for me at the beginning, because I was testing the fields with entries like "title" "year" ...
16:06 owen       nengard: Thanks, and sorry I missed Bug 4829 when I was searching for the issue in Bugzilla
16:06 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4829 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, publication year in suggestion going to zero
16:06 nengard    no prob - we all explain them diff and that's what happens
16:06 kf         owen: have you tested the bug for your problem?
16:06 nengard    i have a lot of bugs around that one with things not carrying over
16:07 nengard    bug 4833
16:07 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4833 minor, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, show all fields when ordering from suggestion
16:07 nengard    and bug 4830
16:07 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4830 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, item type on purchase suggestion not carried over
16:08 owen       nengard: Bug 4833 was actually the bug I started out looking at, but thought mine was different in scope
16:08 nengard    oh okay
16:08 nengard    those are just the ones i have with values in suggestions not coming over to the order
16:09 owen       There's a whole can of worms around bug 4830 (and bug 4832) related to the fact that suggestions might use ccode or itype depending on your configuration
16:09 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4832 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type
16:10 kf         owen: I am not sure users understand how to use colleactions and itypes, we will probably kill these fields with jquery from the suggestions form in the opac
16:10 owen       Suggestions follow the AdvancedSearchTypes preference
16:10 owen       kf: I think you will not be the first. It's a very librarianish kind of field to offer
16:11 owen       And honestly, "publication place?" What use is that?
16:16 kf         I am quite it was what the customer wanted
16:16 kf         but you are right about it :)
16:16 kf         and the order from empty form does offer less fields than the suggestion forms in the opac
16:16 owen       I can just see it: "Well, we tried to find the book you requested, but the one we found was published in Boston, and you said it was published in New York."
16:17 kf         lol
16:17 kf         I don't think they will fill it in
16:17 jcamins    owen: actually, I can see that mattering.
16:17 kf         jcamins: but why have publication place in suggestions, but not in the order then?
16:18 jcamins    kf: there's a bug in the order section?
16:19 jcamins    I don't think it's a very common occurrence, but in academic settings the "same" book might be published in two places with different features (for example, New York has the CD, Boston doesn't).
16:20 owen       jcamins: With the same ISBN?
16:20 jcamins    owen: hm.
16:21 jcamins    Maybe not.
16:21 jcamins    Good point.
16:21 jcamins    You can just ignore me... I'm not used to these new-fangled ISBN things.
16:21 jcamins    They didn't have them in the 17th century.
16:23 * owen     admires/hates the ability of catalogers to give an exception to every example ;)
16:25 owen       Has there been discussion of deprecating biblio-level itemtypes altogether?
16:25 jcamins    Nnnoooooo!!!!
16:26 * owen     will pretend he didn't mention it
16:26 jcamins    We use biblio-level itemtypes to deal with the fact that much of our catalog is analytics, which at present can't be linked to physical items.
16:27 sekjal     jcamins: well, once we solve that problem, though... killing biblio-level itemtypes would work?
16:27 * sekjal   has a draft spec for analytics
16:27 jcamins    Yes.
16:27 kf         I all for killing them, they are still messing with things
16:28 kf         I am... oh so many typos today
16:28 jcamins    I was going to say, once sekjal et. al. solve that problem, though, I would wholeheartedly support eliminating them.
16:28 kf         time to leave for me :)
16:28 kf         sekjal++ ;)
16:28 kf         jcamins: I wish you a very happy day tomorrow!
16:29 kf         bye all :)
16:34 * owen     was thinking about itemtypes because of Bug 4841
16:34 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4841 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Advanced search returns 0 results if the itemtype have no items
16:40 owen       Hey, it's the birthday girl!
16:43 wizzyrea   :) hi
16:44 owen       I hope it's going well
16:45 wizzyrea   so far so good
16:53 nengard    happy birthday wizzyrea!
16:53 wizzyrea   :D thanks
16:54 nengard    when did you upgrade the koha site? somehow i missed the change :) hehe
17:04 jcamins    Happy birthday, wizzyrea!
17:08 gmcharlt   wizzyrea: happy birthday!
17:18 joetho     HB???
17:18 joetho     Yikes!
17:19 joetho     I'm gonna jump in the car and go serenade her!!
17:19 cait       hi koha
17:19 joetho     bib itemtypes: at least rename them
17:36 indradg    wizzyrea, happy birthday :)
17:53 * chris_n  wishes wizzyrea happy birthday
18:12 cait       wizzyrea: happy, happy birthday !
18:12 * wizzyrea feels the love
18:12 wizzyrea   thanks everybody :)
18:21 larsw      wizzyrea, hyv�� syntym�p�iv��
18:21 wizzyrea   lars: finnish?
18:21 larsw      yup
18:21 wizzyrea   ^.^
18:21 * wizzyrea has been (very briefly) to finland
18:21 larsw      everyone has, it seems
18:22 wizzyrea   :) thanks
18:22 * wizzyrea thinks that if she had another kid, she'd name him lars. Such a great name
18:22 larsw      heh
18:22 wizzyrea   then I'd have a soren and a lars. A matched set. :)
18:23 larsw      I'd recommend against it, actually, there's a huge social stigma in the name Lars
18:23 wizzyrea   hm, interesting
18:23 wizzyrea   how so?
18:23 larsw      in every movie with a character named Lars, they're a stupid henchman who dies in scene 4
18:23 wizzyrea   lol
18:23 wizzyrea   like the red shirt guy in star trek?
18:24 larsw      exactly
18:26 jcamins    I guess this is why normal people take the day before their wedding off... focus is kind of difficult.
18:26 wizzyrea   >.>
18:27 reva       Hi anyone, where in the admin module will I find the "Shelving Location" (such as Audio visual, Children's, etc.) so that I can add/edi locations to/in it?
18:27 wizzyrea   do you have a bridezilla, or a pretty laid back spouse-to-be
18:27 wizzyrea   it's an authorized value
18:27 reva       wizzyrea: where you responding to me?
18:27 * jcamins  giggles
18:28 wizzyrea   yep, sorry I left off your name
18:28 jcamins    wizzyrea: I like the juxtaposition.
18:28 wizzyrea   the 2nd line was for you, the first for jcamins ;)
18:28 jcamins    My fiancee's very laid-back.
18:28 wizzyrea   jcamins: oh good.
18:28 jcamins    As demonstrated by the fact that she wasn't too troubled by the fact that I am working today, and Monday.
18:28 sekjal     jcamins: just had my first anniversary.  Last year at this time we were just getting back from our honeymoon, and I had to make my library's Koha system go live in 3 days
18:28 wizzyrea   ! ok, working monday might be a bit excessive
18:29 jcamins    (and Tuesday-Friday next week, of course)
18:29 jcamins    sekjal: thank goodness I don't have to do that!
18:29 * wizzyrea fights the urge to say terribly inappropriate things
18:29 reva       wizzyrea: so I cannot (even as an administrator) edit these pre-selected values for the shelving location?
18:29 jcamins    wizzyrea: my boss is out, and anyway, my fiancee is going to have tons of homework... her PhD classes started ten minutes ago.
18:29 wizzyrea   yep, you can. Under Administration -> authorized values
18:30 jcamins    reva: no, you can edit them. You have to go to the Authorized Values page to change them.
18:30 reva       oh, ok, I will check that out now, wizzyrea:
18:30 wizzyrea   i think it's under type LOC
18:31 wizzyrea   oof , well ok then I guess I'll let you off jcamins
18:32 jcamins    We managed to schedule everything imaginable in the last week of August/first week of September.
18:33 jcamins    Although moving fell through (yes, that was originally planned for this past week)
18:34 wizzyrea   !!
18:35 wizzyrea   ok, that's almost as crazy as us moving 2 weeks before the due date of our baby
18:35 wizzyrea   (I don't recommend doing that, by the way)
18:35 jcamins    No, I can't imagine that was fun.
18:35 jcamins    Or pleasant.
18:35 owen       Oh yeah, we did the same, only two weeks after the baby was born
18:35 schuster   very interesting to drop into the middle of that conversation...
18:36 schuster   Starting with "I don't recommend doing that..."
18:36 wizzyrea   owen: yes, that is equivalently crazy
18:36 reva       wizzyrea: got it. Thanks. I know this is not the place for it: But in my virtualbox install, I am not able to resize the guest desktop or bi-directional clipboard. I ran sudo blah blah upgrade, etc. but still no effect. Any ideas for solutions?
18:36 owen       reva: You have to "install guest additions"
18:37 wizzyrea   erm, since my computer got stolen I haven't even looked at virtualbox, but try owen's solution
18:37 owen       reva: What's your host OS?
18:40 reva       owen: my host OS is Windows XP and everything in Koha functions ok.
18:41 owen       reva: You should have a menu option in your VirtualBox window: Devices -> Install Guest Additions
18:42 owen       This should mount a virtual drive which will appear on your Linux desktop
18:42 reva       well, I did and from the developer I got the info that the guest kernel has to updated. That is why I ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. I followed all the instructions, still no clipboard or desktop resize possible
18:43 reva       owen: I did get a folder on my desktop with the folders from the guestaddition iso and I ran the autorunx86 (I forget the exact name) but still no result.
18:44 owen       reva: Did you restart your Guest OS?
18:44 reva       owen: I tried that too:(
18:44 Braedon    reva: you have to install guest addons every time you update the kernel
18:45 reva       I mean restarted the machine as well as the VirtualBox itself.
18:46 reva       Braedon: which is what I did and I got the all the files from the iso in a folder on my desktop; I ran the autorun for x86 linux.
18:46 Braedon    reva: just checking :)
18:48 reva       no, you were right to ask, because though I started my computing with command line terminals on UNIX, it has been a long time doing anything that way and as raw steps.
18:48 owen       reva: Did the autorun program seem to run correctly? Did you end up with a terminal window which said "press enter to continue" or something like that?
18:49 reva       owen: no I did not get that "press enter to continue".
18:50 owen       It sounds like it didn't run properly, based on my experience.
18:50 owen       I run Ubuntu on a Windows 7 host.
18:51 reva       ok, I will try it again tomorrow: funnily, the response to the command to mount the cdrom said it did not find any such folder, it nevertheless copied the files to a folder on to the desktop.
18:52 owen       reva: I have never seen it copy files to a folder
18:53 owen       reva: letting the cdrom auto-run always runs the program in a terminal window
18:53 Braedon    ubuntu does show the mounted drive as a shortcut on the desktop - do you mean that reva?
18:54 reva       owen: what should it put on the desktop? Following are instructions I got: > sudo -i > mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom > cd /cdrom > ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run  - Wait for it to finish then reboot.
18:54 Braedon    ahh
18:54 reva       owen: forgot to put separator character for the commands.
18:55 Braedon    sounds like you have a copy of the addons inside the guest os?
18:55 reva       Yes Braedon.
18:56 reva       Now, the copy of the folder on the desktop was no loger there when I rebooted!!
18:57 Braedon    what is in /dev/cdrom?
18:57 Braedon    probly not the best question..
18:58 reva       No it was not a shortcut, it was a folder with all the different files that e guestadditions iso had. Because they did not have the shortcut arrow on them.
18:58 Braedon    un, i mean how are you giving the virtual machine the disk to put in the virtual cdrom drive
18:58 Braedon    what your commands do is mount /dev/cdrom to the /cdrom folder
18:59 reva       You know, I thought the instructions must have meant fill in your drive name  where it said cdrom. but I left it as it was.
18:59 Braedon    once you restart, that mount will not happen again, so the folder is not there
18:59 Braedon    you shouldn't need to do that at all
18:59 Braedon    ubuntu can mount the cd drive for you
19:00 Braedon    o, wait
19:00 Braedon    unless you are running headless?
19:00 reva       ok, so starting from scratch what should I do?
19:00 Braedon    sorry, not thinking straight. far too little sleep of late. Lets start again
19:01 jcamins    reva: just to check, you tried following the instructions from the developer again after updating your kernel, right?
19:01 Braedon    windows host, ubuntu guest. What ubuntu version are you running? server/desktop?
19:02 reva       Braedon: it is server 10.04.
19:03 Braedon    ok
19:03 reva       I will give you the page address where the instructions are (it is at the bottom of the web page):http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
19:03 Braedon    first make sure that you have nothing in the virtual cd drive - virtualbox is not good at working with linux with regards to ejecting drives
19:04 Braedon    if you go devices->CD/DVD drives, is anything ticked?
19:04 reva       Breadon: ok, I will empty it.
19:05 reva       No, nothing is checked under devices->CD/DVD drive.
19:05 Braedon    ok
19:05 Braedon    select devices->install-guest-addons
19:06 Braedon    if virtualbox asks to download a new version of hte addons, allow it to do so
19:07 reva       ok, I did the select devices-> install -guest-addons; now it has ticked the VBoxguestaddons.iso
19:08 reva       Braedon, when I looked in the Oracle folder there was guestaddition file there, so it has added it from there.
19:10 Braedon    ok, just a sec - need to cnfirm some things
19:10 reva       Ok, will wait
19:14 Braedon    ok, try 'sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0'
19:18 reva       Braedon, I will try that now.
19:20 reva       Braedon, it says mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist
19:20 Braedon    ok, sudo mkdir /media/cdrom0
19:21 jcamins    reva: I guess you decided to run your server off the VM permanently?
19:22 Braedon    and then the mount command again
19:22 jcamins    (if you have, make sure you have enough disk space configured for the VM!)
19:22 reva       For now, until I test all the features on Koha. But I have iso cd of the Live CD and I will be installing it to our hard drive in days.
19:23 reva       ok, I will try the mkdir command now.
19:24 reva       ok it has created a directory on my desktop:)
19:26 Braedon    ok, try running 'sudo /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run'
19:26 Braedon    what does that say?
19:26 reva       mount: block device dev/sr0 is write protected, mounting read-only is the response I got Braedon
19:27 Braedon    from the mount command?
19:27 Braedon    if so, that should be ok
19:27 reva       yes, from the mount command.
19:28 Braedon    have you tried 'sudo /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run'? what does that say?
19:28 reva       ok, I will try the next command you have asked me to try now.
19:29 wizzyrea   can someone tell me
19:29 wizzyrea   ok
19:29 wizzyrea   wow.
19:29 jcamins    wizzyrea: ?
19:29 wizzyrea   when you reorder the holds in a queue
19:29 wizzyrea   does it update the timestamp on every one
19:29 wizzyrea   ?
19:30 reva       I am trying that now.
19:30 wizzyrea   it's not something you would be able to tell through the web interface
19:30 wizzyrea   I don't htink
19:30 wizzyrea   think*
19:30 wizzyrea   you'd have to pull the data from the DB
19:30 wizzyrea   to see it
19:30 jcamins    We don't use holds, so I'm afraid I can't advise.
19:30 reva       ok, it is outputting a whole bunch checks and verifications now Braedon
19:31 wizzyrea   maybe owen would know, I know he's poked about the holds some
19:31 Braedon    reva: ok, watch the output and see if it looks liek it is succeeding
19:31 owen       I don't know, but I'm testing
19:31 wizzyrea   or I could just go test the dang thing.
19:31 reva       it says it is building the guest additions kernels.
19:32 owen       wizzyrea: The answer is yes
19:32 Braedon    reva: yip. sounds good
19:32 reva       It is installing all the drivers:)
19:32 wizzyrea   Aha
19:32 owen       Although, in my test, it didn't touch the one which was "waiting"
19:32 wizzyrea   right
19:32 wizzyrea   that's what I saw too.
19:32 owen       Actually now I wonder if it would touch *all* of them, or just the ones which needed to be touched in order to re-order?
19:33 wizzyrea   my evidence seems to bear that theory out
19:33 wizzyrea   sec
19:33 reva       now it is pausing for a while. is that normal, braedon:?
19:33 Braedon    it may take a while, yes
19:34 Braedon    hopefully it will complete within a few minutes :)
19:34 reva       Ok, I will be patient:)
19:34 wizzyrea   http://screencast.com/t/OWJlODBlMz
19:34 wizzyrea   T's are transit, obviously.
19:37 Braedon    reva: assuming it completes with no error messages, try restarting. If it doesn't work then, the only thing i can think of is that virtualbox has an old version of the addons, and it hasn't detected that. Try deleting the addons iso from wherever it is getting it on the host os. this should prompt it to download the latest version when you try and load it next via devices->install guest addons
19:38 reva       previous was the MAIN guest addition module, now it is building guest additions module (non-MAIN, I guess); yes, if it does not work, I will try that. I can call up the irc log and follow instructions, Braedon.
19:40 chris      Morning
19:40 wizzyrea   Good Morning New Zealand!
19:40 jcamins    Morning.
19:40 Braedon    howdy
19:40 Braedon    (just to be different)
19:41 chris      What's cracka lacking?
19:41 chris      (Its Friday :))
19:41 jcamins    Not here.
19:42 jcamins    And it's driving me batty! ;)
19:42 Braedon    it is indeed friday (here)
19:42 chris      Wedding tomorrow?
19:42 Braedon    and what a miserable looking friday it is
19:42 reva       Bradeon, I empty the CD/DVD drive after I reboot, correct?
19:42 chris      Not too bad down here
19:43 jcamins    chris: Yep.
19:43 Braedon    up here it is a gray dome of dreariness
19:43 owen       chris is here, must be time for me to leave!
19:44 owen       Bye all!
19:44 chris      jcamins: all the best for the big day, try not to stress :)
19:44 reva       Braedon, it has worked. Ths desktop is now bigger!:)
19:44 reva       And let me try the clipboard function now.
19:44 Braedon    reva: awesome
19:45 jcamins    chris: Thanks. I'm not too stressed out about it, just excited.
19:45 chris      That's the perfect way to be
19:45 jcamins    :)
19:45 reva       now, I still see the virtualcd it had copied to the desktop. So, do I empty my CD/DVD drive and then the next time I reboot it will go away?
19:46 reva       ipboard working too.
19:47 reva       that is supposed to be clipboard.
19:47 reva       Bradeon, you are the man:)
19:47 Braedon    if you go places->computer, or open any location actually, there should be a entry in the left side bar for the CD, with an eject symbol next to it.
19:47 Braedon    if there is, click on the symbol
19:47 chris      Braedon, when does your semester end?
19:48 chris      Before oct 25?
19:48 Braedon    i think it ends on October the 15th
19:48 reva       k, I will eject it and it should run fromt the drivers that have been installed in the ubuntu machine now, right?
19:49 Braedon    chris: but then we have up to 3 weeks of exams - so perhaps..
19:49 chris      Ahhh
19:50 Braedon    reva: that will unmount it, and it should disapear from the desktop. the addons themselves have been installed, and it should continue to run fine
19:51 Phil       Hi ! I have a question about koha : can I use the concept of a clerk in the check out process ? I want to be able to specify a clerk for each check out, and later see what item are checked out for a certain clerk... is that possible ?
19:51 reva       Braedon, should I also release the VBoxguestaddtions.iso from the CD drive?
19:52 Braedon    reva: when you mount a device such as a CD drive, Ubuntu detects it and places links to it in various places, such as the side bar, and on the desktop. these are not strictly shortcuts, but effectivly do the same thing.
19:52 Braedon    reva: yes, that should be fine
19:52 reva       ok, I got it. It is just I seem have a block when it come to virtualization:). Thanks tremendously.
19:52 chris      I totally don't understand what you mean phil
19:52 Phil       lol
19:53 Phil       do you understand what i mean by clerk ?.... when you buy something in a store... the guy at the register is the clerk... hes the one that handled the transaction
19:53 reva       Now, reva if off to Gautemala for a much looked for vacation and good mexican food, yo'all> Good evening.
19:53 Phil       i want to be able to introduce the concept of the "transaction guy" in a transaction
19:53 chris      Ah you want a log of who processed the issue?
19:53 Phil       yup
19:54 chris      Yeah statistics table
19:54 chris      Stores that
19:54 Phil       but not just a log... i want be able to know what items are checkout by the guy
19:55 Phil       suppose the clerk name Bob helped 3 clients with checkouts... each client checked out 1 book... well i want to be able to see the 3 books that are out and that Bob handled
19:55 Phil       do you understand ?
19:56 wizzyrea   you want to know which books bob put his fingerprints on
19:56 chris      Yep
19:56 wizzyrea   makes sense to me.
19:56 Phil       yep
19:56 Phil       and bob is not the client.... hes my employe
19:56 wizzyrea   right
19:56 chris      I'm pretty sure a report on statistics will do that, but id have to check
19:56 wizzyrea   do you have a problem employee?
19:56 wizzyrea   >.>
19:57 Phil       :P
19:57 wizzyrea   heh
19:57 chris      If not it would be a very small change
19:57 * wizzyrea is always on the lookout for people problems in search of a technological solution.
19:58 chris      Ok that's my bus stop
19:58 chris      Back after coffee
19:59 Phil       i thought i could use some kind of workaround with the librairies... i could do as if each employee was an independant library... then i could see what each library was doing.... only problem is i want the stock of items to be shared...
19:59 Phil       if library 1 gets a book, i want the others to get the same book and the same quantity
20:00 Phil       I know it's a bit far fechted
20:02 jcamins    Phil: I would think that dealing with the HR issues would be preferable, but you could have separate branches if you wanted.
20:03 Phil       can you sync the stock between branches ?
20:03 jcamins    (though note that I have never tried this- I just know that it's possible to set it up so that any branch can check out any book)
20:03 jcamins    You would only have one record for each item.
20:04 Braedon    how do you need to view the info? if the data needed to calculate it is logged somewhere, could you use a script to generate it? Would be a lot easier to write a script than a new full feature to do it within Koha
20:04 Phil       if branch 1 get 3 copies of a book.... will the other branches get the same qty ?
20:04 Phil       .... nice
20:04 Phil       i like it
20:05 Phil       1 robot piece for you my friend
20:05 Phil       (to Braedon)
20:06 * Braedon  installs new robot piece
20:06 Braedon    (it wurrs and beeps technologically)
20:07 Phil       :D
20:13 Phil       I will leave you on that cheerful note... thanks a lot to everyone for your help !
20:14 * Braedon  's new part beeps "no problem"
20:22 richard    hi
20:23 chris      hiya richard
20:23 wizzyrea   hi richard :)
20:23 richard    hi chris and wizzyrea
20:23 jcamins    Hello.
20:34 jcamins    Good night, #koha
20:35 jcamins    If you see me online tomorrow morning... remind me that it *is* Friday. ;)
20:35 chris      hehe will do
20:35 chris      "GO GET MARRIED!!!"
20:35 wizzyrea   yea, SHOO
20:35 jcamins_a  Bye.
20:36 richard    heh
20:36 jcamins_a  You know what, I think I'll do just that!
20:36 * wizzyrea claps
20:37 wizzyrea   it's a good thing his fiancé is easy going lol
20:37 chris      hehe
20:37 chris      hi LBA
20:37 LBA        howdy
20:41 chris      booked your ticket to NZ yet?
20:41 chris      :)
20:42 LBA        :'( sadly I won't be there....
20:42 chris      bummer
20:47 chris      heya anitsirk :)
20:47 anitsirk   hey chris.
20:51 chris      ok, off to discuss contracts, fun fun fun
20:52 wizzyrea   oof
20:52 wizzyrea   gl
20:52 chris      bbiab
21:08 sekjal     did anyone know that there was a manual_match option in Stage MARC Records for Import?
21:09 chris      yup
21:09 sekjal     I'm so very excited
21:09 chris      havent ever tried it though .. does it work?
21:10 sekjal     well... haven't seen that particular proof yet
21:10 sekjal     system is hanging on me
21:20 chris      working from home today alan?
21:21 sekjal     okay, manually adjusting the import data in the database doesn't so much work
21:21 sekjal     but I was able to run a query to get me what I wanted, so I'm happy
21:21 chris      sweet
21:24 sekjal     story was: had 6 corrupted MARCXML records (marc blob was fine) that I couldn't edit in the staff client
21:24 chris      ah yeah
21:24 chris      we should build a subroutine, rebuild_xml_from_marc
21:24 chris      that you pass a biblionumber
21:24 wizzyrea   ^^ would be super handy
21:25 chris      it sure would
21:25 wizzyrea   or capture those fatal errors that it causes, and put a button on it that says "rebuild this"
21:25 sekjal     I ran a report to get the marc blobs, saved to file, then reimported through Stage MARC records
21:25 sekjal     very sloppy, but worked well enough
21:25 chris      ohh that idea is even better wizzyrea
21:25 chris      sekjal: neat workaround ;)
21:26 sekjal     jcamins and slef helped me out
21:26 chris      wizzyrea: you'll send a patch tomorrow? *grin*
21:26 wizzyrea   man, gimme a long time and you might have that.
21:28 chris      :)
21:28 chris      it shouldnt be too bad
21:28 chris      select marc from biblioitems where biblionumber =
21:28 chris      make a marc::record object from that
21:29 chris      update bibliotems set marcxml = ? where biblionumber = ?
21:29 chris      $record->as_xml()
21:29 chris      and stick a row in zebraqueue
21:29 sekjal     I was working on a script to do this; hit a snag with bad characters on decode
21:31 chris      you can tell MARC::Charset to be less strict
21:32 chris      which im guess the stage marc must do, or it would run into the same decode issues
21:33 sekjal     I'll check up on that... making a note now (almost time to go)
21:37 sekjal     and now is that time.  cheers, #koha!
21:37 chris      cya
21:38 wizzyrea   and for me too. I get grown up time tonight!
21:38 wizzyrea   WHEE!
21:38 chris      hehe