Time Nick Message 03:22 Amit heya chris 04:36 chobbs anyone awake? 04:37 robin nope 04:40 chobbs no worries - tracked down my issue on my own :) 04:41 smustafa good morning everyone. 04:42 smustafa Is Chris available at this time? to discuss how to get Zebra working on DEV koha setup... 05:02 wasabi smustafa: chris has prolly just left werk, to go home.. 05:02 smustafa oh ok 05:03 wasabi 5pm, NZ time 05:03 wasabi smustafa: but ask way... :) 05:03 wasabi s/way/away/ 05:04 smustafa export KOHA_CONF=/home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 05:04 smustafa I did that as koha:koha 05:04 smustafa then I did perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r 05:04 smustafa but it shows nothing on the screen. Just stays there hanging.... 05:04 smustafa :( :( 05:05 cait morning #koha 05:12 smustafa any ideas wasabi? 05:12 smustafa or cait? 05:12 smustafa <smustafa> export KOHA_CONF=/home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml <smustafa> I did that as koha:koha <smustafa> then I did perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r <smustafa> but it shows nothing on the screen. Just stays there hanging.... 05:12 smustafa trying to setup Zebra on my Koha-DEV setup...but when I run the rebuild_zebra.pl tool it does not work... 05:13 cait sorry smustafa, no real idea 05:13 smustafa ok.. 05:13 cait I would peraps try -v as option to see more 05:13 cait and make sure your zebra files are owned by your koha user 05:14 wasabi smustafa: rebuild_zebra.pl -v 05:14 wasabi -v means verbose 05:15 smustafa oh is that why...ok now I see things showing up.... 05:15 wasabi ;) 05:15 smustafa ok thanks wasabi.. :) 05:16 wasabi look for file-permission errors at the end of the rebuild... 05:16 cait sorry, I just got up 05:17 wasabi as cait said before 05:17 cait still half asleep :) 05:18 wasabi $ chown -R koha:koha /home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/zebradb 05:18 wasabi to fix your possible file-perm errors... 05:21 smustafa THanks, I shall do that :) 05:26 Amit heya wasabi 05:29 wasabi hey amit 05:32 cait hi Amit 05:33 smustafa I can't seem to search eventhough I ran the zebra indexing 05:33 smustafa it does not return anything.. 05:34 cait is your zebrasrv running? 05:35 smustafa well I think so, otherwise the zebraindexing would not be running right? 05:35 smustafa It shows exporting biblio....................etc etc 05:35 smustafa when I ran in it.. 05:36 Amit heya cait 05:37 cait not sure one needs the other 05:37 smustafa well at the last step of REINDINXG Zebra 05:37 smustafa +++++++++++++++++++++++ 05:37 cait no errors in the output of rebuild zebra? 05:38 smustafa it is trying to load some filter modules...and it works ok, but then it stops at 01:47:06-26/08 zebraidx(26648) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-alvis.so 05:38 smustafa not sure why.. 05:38 cait me neither 05:38 smustafa The size of koha-zebradaemon.err and koha-zebradaemon-output.log is 0 both 05:38 smustafa same for the koha-zebraqueue.err and koha-zebraqueue-output.log 05:38 smustafa also 0 size.. 05:38 cait but most of the times indexing was ok and I got no results I forgot to start zebrasrv 05:39 smustafa how do I start it.. 05:46 cait sorry, I can't look at my notes now, have to get ready for work 05:50 smustafa its alright :) 06:14 wasabi smustafa: $ ps -ef|grep zebrasrv 06:15 wasabi is how to check 06:16 cait bbl 06:16 wasabi but, if you dont rememebr starting your zebrasrv, process then it prolly is not started 06:17 wasabi zebra-indexing, and the zebrasrv process are 2 seperate things 06:18 wasabi smustafa: $ zebrasrv -f /home/mistuser/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 06:18 wasabi ... starts your zeb 06:18 smustafa ok let me try that wasabi 06:19 wasabi then try yr search again 06:21 smustafa let me try that and get back to you dear 06:23 wasabi yep, no problem.. 06:25 smustafa it is still saying exporting biblio 06:25 smustafa so I am waiting.. 06:25 larsw chris, http://soap.docstory.fi/posts/birds/ :) 06:26 smustafa I think it is working Wasabi, I see that it is adding gr.marcxml.record and it was not doing that before.. 06:29 wasabi its working, when you get search-results back ;) 06:34 magnus g'day #koha 06:42 smustafa ok dear it worked 06:42 smustafa Thanks wasabi :D 06:42 wasabi ooh, great stuff! 06:43 wasabi ive got a train to catch now.... 06:53 smustafa ok bye :) 06:53 kf hi äkoha 06:53 kf #koha 06:54 kf smustafa: your zebra working now? 06:54 smustafa yes dear 06:56 kf ah, great :) 07:02 hdl hi all 07:05 kf hi hdl 07:22 hdl * 07:51 kf crazy week 08:05 chris larsw: cool :) 08:06 hdl hi magnus 08:06 hdl hi chris 08:06 chris hiya hdl 08:11 magnus hiya chris, hdl, kf et al 08:14 magnus larsw: i'm looking even more forward to kohacon now... ;-) 08:15 magnus and talking about nz birds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY 08:18 chris magnus: just dont copy your fellow norwegians and shoot them :) 08:18 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3659020/Charges-for-tourists-who-killed-kereru 08:19 magnus i remember that one, yeah. i|ll make sure i stay a long way away from any firearms... 08:21 chris a pretty good rule in general i reckon :) 08:22 magnus hm, maybe i should track them down, stuff them in my suitcase and hand them over to the authorities on my arrival in nz... 08:22 chris hehe 08:29 kf hi chris and magnus 08:32 chris hi kf 09:42 magnus anyone from biblibre around? 09:43 kf I think hdl was here earlier 09:44 hdl magnus: yes. 09:54 * chris bumped into the cuecatdecode code today, and that reminded me to do a new unsung heroes post 10:15 kf chris: hm, didn't you mention the cuecat code in one of your earlier posts? 10:16 kf hm, perhaps I read about it in the history :) 10:17 kf yep: May 18 2001 Glen Stewart leaves his job and working on Koha, gives us cuecat decoding code as a parting gift. 10:22 chris yup, it still exists 10:57 magnus how do y'all interpret marc field 952$0 (zero) "withdrawn" - something that has been withdrawn by the publisher? 10:58 magnus or to put it another way: how would you code an item that has been scrapped/thrown away, but where the record should still be kept in the catalogue? just delete the scrapped item? 11:00 kf sounds confusing for the patron 11:01 kf I think mark it as withdrawn is better, but not sure what consequences this has for search, checkout etc. our libraries are not using it 11:04 magnus kf: what's confusing? records without items? 11:05 kf yep 11:14 magnus kf: i guess i agree... i'll ask if i can delete the records, i think 11:18 mib_66k37 hola 11:19 mib_66k37 hi 11:21 dagentoob hey 11:22 dagentoob anyone know a way to rebuild the zebra database 11:22 dagentoob ?? 11:22 dagentoob I tried rebuild_zebra.pl 11:22 dagentoob and I am still getting search results for the wrong thing 11:24 dagentoob can I delete the whole zebra DB and start over? 11:24 kf dagentoob: which options did u use for your rebuild? 11:25 kf there is an option to do that for rebuild_zebra.pl 11:25 kf dagentoob: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#5 11:25 dagentoob ./bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a 11:28 dagentoob k 11:28 mib_66k37 I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ? 11:29 dagentoob I keep looking at koha.org and not finding stuff 11:29 dagentoob thansk 11:29 dagentoob thanks 11:34 mib_66k37 I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ? 11:35 druthb Mornin', #koha. 11:37 mib_66k37 I want to install koha with debian 5.0, which version of perl and mysql need ? 11:38 druthb mib_66k37: the ones that install naturally with Debian (using netinstall or apt-get) work Just Fine. 11:39 mib_66k37 druthb: thanks 11:40 druthb you betcha. Koha is pretty tolerant of that sort of thing; install it according to the directions, and it just works. 11:40 mib_66k37 druthb: what version of koha recommended me for a first installation? 11:41 Amit heya jwagner 11:42 jwagner Hi Amit 11:42 druthb The 3.0.x series is really solid, but there are a lot of newer features in the 3.2 release candidate that are worth looking at, at the cost of (possible) bugs here and there. I think most of the worst ones have been worked out. 11:42 magnus dagentoob: run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -h option to see available options 11:43 mib_66k37 druthb: thank you very much 11:43 druthb my pleasure. :) 11:52 pentarex hey guys 11:52 pentarex is there anyone who knows something about integrating koha to drupal via sopac ? 11:53 Amit heya pentarex 11:53 kf pentarex: there is some information about it in the manual on koha.org 11:54 kf args 11:54 kf koha-community.org 11:54 pentarex yeah ive saw it but i cannot make my search I dont understand about this prefix 11:54 pentarex SOPAC URL prefix 11:54 pentarex and the node prefix 11:55 pentarex anyone got any experience here ? 11:55 kf sorry pentarex, I have never installed it myself. perhaps someone from biblibre can help, they have done the work on sopac integration 11:55 pentarex do they have IRC channel ? 11:58 owen pentarex, you will often find them here: paul_p, hdl, nahuel 11:58 owen I guess not today 13:02 magnus hiya nengard 13:02 nengard howdy 13:08 jcamins Good morning, #koha (it's Thursday, not Friday like I thought it was going to be :( ) 13:10 nengard sorry jcamins ... i understand your disappointment :( 13:11 nengard anyone else having trouble with the koha site? 13:13 jcamins nengard: I am, but I'm having trouble with the internet in general. 13:13 nengard hmmm 13:13 magnus nengard: looks a bit slow from here 13:14 nengard k - good it's not just me, it timed out on me 13:20 jwagner nengard, which site? 13:22 nengard koha's site - but i think it's cause liz was upgrading - it's on the new new wp now! :) 13:25 kf jcamins: is today not your big day? 13:27 jcamins No, I thought yesterday was Thursday. It's not. :'( 13:27 jcamins So now I am counting the hours so I can't get confused. ;) 13:27 jcamins 25, in case anyone was wondering. :) 13:29 nengard hehe 13:30 kf :) 13:30 kf we will help and remind you if we see you here tomorrow! 13:32 jcamins Thank you. 13:32 jcamins I realized why, though... my server thinks it's tomorrow. 13:32 jcamins I should probably fix this. 13:38 pentarex what is koha harvest port ? 13:46 hilongo hello #koha :) 13:50 magnus g'bye #koha 13:50 hilongo I'm testing the future 3.2 and messing around with the 'suspension in days' circ rules 13:51 hilongo I have found that this works... had some overdued loans and the patrong gets 'suspended' acording to the rules 13:53 hilongo what I can't find is where this info is saved. as hdl said to me a few days ago, the patron gets debarred until certain date but I cannot see that date in the patron's record in borrowers table 13:54 hilongo so ... where would it be? :) 13:56 sekjal hilongo: as I recall, the date isn't stored anywhere 13:57 sekjal the system does some kind of dynamic thing based off the issuing record 14:01 hilongo really? ... wow :) 14:02 slef @seen gmcharlt 14:02 munin slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 22 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> with lots of help - ideally Linus would right it, then have an editor to translate to remove the "Git-qua-Linus" aspects of the text 14:02 gmcharlt hi slef 14:02 slef heh 14:02 slef hi all 14:03 sekjal hilongo: I remember messing with Suspension in Days, and being kind of confused by it, and I think that's what I found 14:03 sekjal that was a lot of operations back, and my mental history file only so long 14:04 hdl hi 14:06 hilongo hi hdl :) 14:21 jcamins slef++ # I've been wishing someone would put explanations for sysprefs onto the wiki 14:24 nengard jcamins - what kind of explanation? what they do? cause that's in the manual? or how to add prefs to the code? 14:25 slef how to add prefs to the code 14:26 slef check wiki recent changes 14:26 slef or koha-patches list email 14:27 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences#Adding_a_new_system_preference 14:27 jcamins The latter. 14:28 jcamins I need these things in very simple language. ;) 14:28 jcamins chris_n++ # for providing slef with the explanation that is now on the wiki 14:30 * chris_n waves as he heads back out 14:31 jwagner I'm still a bit confused, though. Since I do patches that are meant for several levels of code, am I correct in believing that it won't _hurt_ anything to submit a patch at current head that also has the sysprefs.sql updates? 14:32 jwagner And conversely, if I do a patch at a lower level, the yaml stuff won't hurt it? 14:32 jwagner Or do I need to do separate patches depending on the level? 14:38 jwagner gmcharlt? 14:38 pentarex hey can koha users use different library cards for different library i mean if I have library card for library Centerville can I use other for Union ? 14:38 slef pentarex: yes, but the borrower accounts won't be linked AFAICR 14:39 sekjal pentarex: slef is right; you'd have to have two separate patron records for each barcode 14:39 * slef boogies 14:41 gmcharlt jwagner: correct - do both 14:41 pentarex 10x for the answer 14:42 nengard got a question - does the last seen date get updated when editing items (in batches or one by one)? 14:42 jwagner gmcharlt, two separate patches? 14:42 gmcharlt single, preferably 14:43 jwagner OK, one patch with both the .pref change and the .sql change? 15:29 davi Is already in the wiki the re-licensing option: AGPLv3+, GPLv3+, as now 15:30 davi in the wiki, with its description, so that we can review them 15:30 davi as I promised 15:34 kf owen: around? 15:34 owen Yes 15:34 kf bug 5178 15:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5178 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, New order from suggestion pulls wrong field for copyright date 15:35 kf I have a patch for part of that problem that, it's a UNIMARC/MARC21 problem 15:35 kf if you order from a suggestion a new marc record is created, unimarc has no mapping to copyrightdate, it has publicationyear 15:35 kf ah 15:36 kf perhaps I am wrong, my patch addresses new orders from nothing 15:37 slef owen: did I ever find out what you wanted a few days ago? 15:37 owen slef: If only I could remember what it was about... 15:38 kf owen: I was talking about bug 5090 15:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN 15:38 owen Thanks kf, I'll take a look at the patch to see if it applies to my bug as well. 15:39 owen Does copyright date not exist in UNIMARC, or is it a matter of which date it prefers? 15:39 kf owen: did not want to cause confusion 15:39 kf it's the standard mapping 15:40 kf marc21: 260c = copyrightdate 15:40 kf unimar: ??? = publicationyear, no mapping for copyrightdate, marc21 no mapping for publicationyear 15:40 owen Hence no end of headaches for all of us 15:40 kf yep 15:41 kf but suggestions is a table, as long as no marc record is created, your problem might be different 15:41 kf but perhaps the confusion is caused by this fact 15:42 nengard got a question - does the last seen date get updated when editing items (in batches or one by one)? 15:42 kf it took me a week to find and solve the problem - I m still very slow at those things - but chris tested my patch 15:42 jcamins nengard: yes, it seems to. 15:42 nengard thanks 15:43 owen I wonder if the French translation of Koha takes care of the "publication year" vs. "copyright date" labels? 15:44 kf I think the difference is not even very clear in marc21 15:44 kf not to me 15:45 kf in German I use Erscheinungsjahr everywhere 15:52 owen kf++ 15:52 owen Your patch takes care of my bug as well 15:53 kf oh cool :) 15:53 kf I thought it was different because of suggestion vs. new order from empty : 16:00 kf owen: not sure it is actually a bug, but if you enter something like "unknown" into publication year, it will be deleted 16:01 kf or not deleted, it's in the record, but there is code so that only the numeric part of the entry is saved to publication year or copyright date 16:02 owen Probably the same code that turnes "c. 1990" into a numeric date. 16:02 kf yes 16:02 kf so if you have no numbers, it will show nothing 16:02 kf because the display pulls not from the record, but from the database 16:03 kf this was very confusing for me at the beginning, because I was testing the fields with entries like "title" "year" ... 16:06 owen nengard: Thanks, and sorry I missed Bug 4829 when I was searching for the issue in Bugzilla 16:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4829 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, publication year in suggestion going to zero 16:06 nengard no prob - we all explain them diff and that's what happens 16:06 kf owen: have you tested the bug for your problem? 16:06 nengard i have a lot of bugs around that one with things not carrying over 16:07 nengard bug 4833 16:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4833 minor, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, show all fields when ordering from suggestion 16:07 nengard and bug 4830 16:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4830 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, item type on purchase suggestion not carried over 16:08 owen nengard: Bug 4833 was actually the bug I started out looking at, but thought mine was different in scope 16:08 nengard oh okay 16:08 nengard those are just the ones i have with values in suggestions not coming over to the order 16:09 owen There's a whole can of worms around bug 4830 (and bug 4832) related to the fact that suggestions might use ccode or itype depending on your configuration 16:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4832 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Re-editing a suggestion changes the item type 16:10 kf owen: I am not sure users understand how to use colleactions and itypes, we will probably kill these fields with jquery from the suggestions form in the opac 16:10 owen Suggestions follow the AdvancedSearchTypes preference 16:10 owen kf: I think you will not be the first. It's a very librarianish kind of field to offer 16:11 owen And honestly, "publication place?" What use is that? 16:16 kf I am quite it was what the customer wanted 16:16 kf but you are right about it :) 16:16 kf and the order from empty form does offer less fields than the suggestion forms in the opac 16:16 owen I can just see it: "Well, we tried to find the book you requested, but the one we found was published in Boston, and you said it was published in New York." 16:17 kf lol 16:17 kf I don't think they will fill it in 16:17 jcamins owen: actually, I can see that mattering. 16:17 kf jcamins: but why have publication place in suggestions, but not in the order then? 16:18 jcamins kf: there's a bug in the order section? 16:19 jcamins I don't think it's a very common occurrence, but in academic settings the "same" book might be published in two places with different features (for example, New York has the CD, Boston doesn't). 16:20 owen jcamins: With the same ISBN? 16:20 jcamins owen: hm. 16:21 jcamins Maybe not. 16:21 jcamins Good point. 16:21 jcamins You can just ignore me... I'm not used to these new-fangled ISBN things. 16:21 jcamins They didn't have them in the 17th century. 16:23 * owen admires/hates the ability of catalogers to give an exception to every example ;) 16:25 owen Has there been discussion of deprecating biblio-level itemtypes altogether? 16:25 jcamins Nnnoooooo!!!! 16:26 * owen will pretend he didn't mention it 16:26 jcamins We use biblio-level itemtypes to deal with the fact that much of our catalog is analytics, which at present can't be linked to physical items. 16:27 sekjal jcamins: well, once we solve that problem, though... killing biblio-level itemtypes would work? 16:27 * sekjal has a draft spec for analytics 16:27 jcamins Yes. 16:27 kf I all for killing them, they are still messing with things 16:28 kf I am... oh so many typos today 16:28 jcamins I was going to say, once sekjal et. al. solve that problem, though, I would wholeheartedly support eliminating them. 16:28 kf time to leave for me :) 16:28 kf sekjal++ ;) 16:28 kf jcamins: I wish you a very happy day tomorrow! 16:29 kf bye all :) 16:34 * owen was thinking about itemtypes because of Bug 4841 16:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4841 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Advanced search returns 0 results if the itemtype have no items 16:40 owen Hey, it's the birthday girl! 16:43 wizzyrea :) hi 16:44 owen I hope it's going well 16:45 wizzyrea so far so good 16:53 nengard happy birthday wizzyrea! 16:53 wizzyrea :D thanks 16:54 nengard when did you upgrade the koha site? somehow i missed the change :) hehe 17:04 jcamins Happy birthday, wizzyrea! 17:08 gmcharlt wizzyrea: happy birthday! 17:18 joetho HB??? 17:18 joetho Yikes! 17:19 joetho I'm gonna jump in the car and go serenade her!! 17:19 cait hi koha 17:19 joetho bib itemtypes: at least rename them 17:36 indradg wizzyrea, happy birthday :) 17:53 * chris_n wishes wizzyrea happy birthday 18:12 cait wizzyrea: happy, happy birthday ! 18:12 * wizzyrea feels the love 18:12 wizzyrea thanks everybody :) 18:21 larsw wizzyrea, hyv�� syntym�p�iv�� 18:21 wizzyrea lars: finnish? 18:21 larsw yup 18:21 wizzyrea ^.^ 18:21 * wizzyrea has been (very briefly) to finland 18:21 larsw everyone has, it seems 18:22 wizzyrea :) thanks 18:22 * wizzyrea thinks that if she had another kid, she'd name him lars. Such a great name 18:22 larsw heh 18:22 wizzyrea then I'd have a soren and a lars. A matched set. :) 18:23 larsw I'd recommend against it, actually, there's a huge social stigma in the name Lars 18:23 wizzyrea hm, interesting 18:23 wizzyrea how so? 18:23 larsw in every movie with a character named Lars, they're a stupid henchman who dies in scene 4 18:23 wizzyrea lol 18:23 wizzyrea like the red shirt guy in star trek? 18:24 larsw exactly 18:26 jcamins I guess this is why normal people take the day before their wedding off... focus is kind of difficult. 18:26 wizzyrea >.> 18:27 reva Hi anyone, where in the admin module will I find the "Shelving Location" (such as Audio visual, Children's, etc.) so that I can add/edi locations to/in it? 18:27 wizzyrea do you have a bridezilla, or a pretty laid back spouse-to-be 18:27 wizzyrea it's an authorized value 18:27 reva wizzyrea: where you responding to me? 18:27 * jcamins giggles 18:28 wizzyrea yep, sorry I left off your name 18:28 jcamins wizzyrea: I like the juxtaposition. 18:28 wizzyrea the 2nd line was for you, the first for jcamins ;) 18:28 jcamins My fiancee's very laid-back. 18:28 wizzyrea jcamins: oh good. 18:28 jcamins As demonstrated by the fact that she wasn't too troubled by the fact that I am working today, and Monday. 18:28 sekjal jcamins: just had my first anniversary. Last year at this time we were just getting back from our honeymoon, and I had to make my library's Koha system go live in 3 days 18:28 wizzyrea ! ok, working monday might be a bit excessive 18:29 jcamins (and Tuesday-Friday next week, of course) 18:29 jcamins sekjal: thank goodness I don't have to do that! 18:29 * wizzyrea fights the urge to say terribly inappropriate things 18:29 reva wizzyrea: so I cannot (even as an administrator) edit these pre-selected values for the shelving location? 18:29 jcamins wizzyrea: my boss is out, and anyway, my fiancee is going to have tons of homework... her PhD classes started ten minutes ago. 18:29 wizzyrea yep, you can. Under Administration -> authorized values 18:30 jcamins reva: no, you can edit them. You have to go to the Authorized Values page to change them. 18:30 reva oh, ok, I will check that out now, wizzyrea: 18:30 wizzyrea i think it's under type LOC 18:31 wizzyrea oof , well ok then I guess I'll let you off jcamins 18:32 jcamins We managed to schedule everything imaginable in the last week of August/first week of September. 18:33 jcamins Although moving fell through (yes, that was originally planned for this past week) 18:34 wizzyrea !! 18:35 wizzyrea ok, that's almost as crazy as us moving 2 weeks before the due date of our baby 18:35 wizzyrea (I don't recommend doing that, by the way) 18:35 jcamins No, I can't imagine that was fun. 18:35 jcamins Or pleasant. 18:35 owen Oh yeah, we did the same, only two weeks after the baby was born 18:35 schuster very interesting to drop into the middle of that conversation... 18:36 schuster Starting with "I don't recommend doing that..." 18:36 wizzyrea owen: yes, that is equivalently crazy 18:36 reva wizzyrea: got it. Thanks. I know this is not the place for it: But in my virtualbox install, I am not able to resize the guest desktop or bi-directional clipboard. I ran sudo blah blah upgrade, etc. but still no effect. Any ideas for solutions? 18:36 owen reva: You have to "install guest additions" 18:37 wizzyrea erm, since my computer got stolen I haven't even looked at virtualbox, but try owen's solution 18:37 owen reva: What's your host OS? 18:40 reva owen: my host OS is Windows XP and everything in Koha functions ok. 18:41 owen reva: You should have a menu option in your VirtualBox window: Devices -> Install Guest Additions 18:42 owen This should mount a virtual drive which will appear on your Linux desktop 18:42 reva well, I did and from the developer I got the info that the guest kernel has to updated. That is why I ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. I followed all the instructions, still no clipboard or desktop resize possible 18:43 reva owen: I did get a folder on my desktop with the folders from the guestaddition iso and I ran the autorunx86 (I forget the exact name) but still no result. 18:44 owen reva: Did you restart your Guest OS? 18:44 reva owen: I tried that too:( 18:44 Braedon reva: you have to install guest addons every time you update the kernel 18:45 reva I mean restarted the machine as well as the VirtualBox itself. 18:46 reva Braedon: which is what I did and I got the all the files from the iso in a folder on my desktop; I ran the autorun for x86 linux. 18:46 Braedon reva: just checking :) 18:48 reva no, you were right to ask, because though I started my computing with command line terminals on UNIX, it has been a long time doing anything that way and as raw steps. 18:48 owen reva: Did the autorun program seem to run correctly? Did you end up with a terminal window which said "press enter to continue" or something like that? 18:49 reva owen: no I did not get that "press enter to continue". 18:50 owen It sounds like it didn't run properly, based on my experience. 18:50 owen I run Ubuntu on a Windows 7 host. 18:51 reva ok, I will try it again tomorrow: funnily, the response to the command to mount the cdrom said it did not find any such folder, it nevertheless copied the files to a folder on to the desktop. 18:52 owen reva: I have never seen it copy files to a folder 18:53 owen reva: letting the cdrom auto-run always runs the program in a terminal window 18:53 Braedon ubuntu does show the mounted drive as a shortcut on the desktop - do you mean that reva? 18:54 reva owen: what should it put on the desktop? Following are instructions I got: > sudo -i > mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom > cd /cdrom > ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run - Wait for it to finish then reboot. 18:54 Braedon ahh 18:54 reva owen: forgot to put separator character for the commands. 18:55 Braedon sounds like you have a copy of the addons inside the guest os? 18:55 reva Yes Braedon. 18:56 reva Now, the copy of the folder on the desktop was no loger there when I rebooted!! 18:57 Braedon what is in /dev/cdrom? 18:57 Braedon probly not the best question.. 18:58 reva No it was not a shortcut, it was a folder with all the different files that e guestadditions iso had. Because they did not have the shortcut arrow on them. 18:58 Braedon un, i mean how are you giving the virtual machine the disk to put in the virtual cdrom drive 18:58 Braedon what your commands do is mount /dev/cdrom to the /cdrom folder 18:59 reva You know, I thought the instructions must have meant fill in your drive name where it said cdrom. but I left it as it was. 18:59 Braedon once you restart, that mount will not happen again, so the folder is not there 18:59 Braedon you shouldn't need to do that at all 18:59 Braedon ubuntu can mount the cd drive for you 19:00 Braedon o, wait 19:00 Braedon unless you are running headless? 19:00 reva ok, so starting from scratch what should I do? 19:00 Braedon sorry, not thinking straight. far too little sleep of late. Lets start again 19:01 jcamins reva: just to check, you tried following the instructions from the developer again after updating your kernel, right? 19:01 Braedon windows host, ubuntu guest. What ubuntu version are you running? server/desktop? 19:02 reva Braedon: it is server 10.04. 19:03 Braedon ok 19:03 reva I will give you the page address where the instructions are (it is at the bottom of the web page):http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ 19:03 Braedon first make sure that you have nothing in the virtual cd drive - virtualbox is not good at working with linux with regards to ejecting drives 19:04 Braedon if you go devices->CD/DVD drives, is anything ticked? 19:04 reva Breadon: ok, I will empty it. 19:05 reva No, nothing is checked under devices->CD/DVD drive. 19:05 Braedon ok 19:05 Braedon select devices->install-guest-addons 19:06 Braedon if virtualbox asks to download a new version of hte addons, allow it to do so 19:07 reva ok, I did the select devices-> install -guest-addons; now it has ticked the VBoxguestaddons.iso 19:08 reva Braedon, when I looked in the Oracle folder there was guestaddition file there, so it has added it from there. 19:10 Braedon ok, just a sec - need to cnfirm some things 19:10 reva Ok, will wait 19:14 Braedon ok, try 'sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0' 19:18 reva Braedon, I will try that now. 19:20 reva Braedon, it says mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist 19:20 Braedon ok, sudo mkdir /media/cdrom0 19:21 jcamins reva: I guess you decided to run your server off the VM permanently? 19:22 Braedon and then the mount command again 19:22 jcamins (if you have, make sure you have enough disk space configured for the VM!) 19:22 reva For now, until I test all the features on Koha. But I have iso cd of the Live CD and I will be installing it to our hard drive in days. 19:23 reva ok, I will try the mkdir command now. 19:24 reva ok it has created a directory on my desktop:) 19:26 Braedon ok, try running 'sudo /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run' 19:26 Braedon what does that say? 19:26 reva mount: block device dev/sr0 is write protected, mounting read-only is the response I got Braedon 19:27 Braedon from the mount command? 19:27 Braedon if so, that should be ok 19:27 reva yes, from the mount command. 19:28 Braedon have you tried 'sudo /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run'? what does that say? 19:28 reva ok, I will try the next command you have asked me to try now. 19:29 wizzyrea can someone tell me 19:29 wizzyrea ok 19:29 wizzyrea wow. 19:29 jcamins wizzyrea: ? 19:29 wizzyrea when you reorder the holds in a queue 19:29 wizzyrea does it update the timestamp on every one 19:29 wizzyrea ? 19:30 reva I am trying that now. 19:30 wizzyrea it's not something you would be able to tell through the web interface 19:30 wizzyrea I don't htink 19:30 wizzyrea think* 19:30 wizzyrea you'd have to pull the data from the DB 19:30 wizzyrea to see it 19:30 jcamins We don't use holds, so I'm afraid I can't advise. 19:30 reva ok, it is outputting a whole bunch checks and verifications now Braedon 19:31 wizzyrea maybe owen would know, I know he's poked about the holds some 19:31 Braedon reva: ok, watch the output and see if it looks liek it is succeeding 19:31 owen I don't know, but I'm testing 19:31 wizzyrea or I could just go test the dang thing. 19:31 reva it says it is building the guest additions kernels. 19:32 owen wizzyrea: The answer is yes 19:32 Braedon reva: yip. sounds good 19:32 reva It is installing all the drivers:) 19:32 wizzyrea Aha 19:32 owen Although, in my test, it didn't touch the one which was "waiting" 19:32 wizzyrea right 19:32 wizzyrea that's what I saw too. 19:32 owen Actually now I wonder if it would touch *all* of them, or just the ones which needed to be touched in order to re-order? 19:33 wizzyrea my evidence seems to bear that theory out 19:33 wizzyrea sec 19:33 reva now it is pausing for a while. is that normal, braedon:? 19:33 Braedon it may take a while, yes 19:34 Braedon hopefully it will complete within a few minutes :) 19:34 reva Ok, I will be patient:) 19:34 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OWJlODBlMz 19:34 wizzyrea T's are transit, obviously. 19:37 Braedon reva: assuming it completes with no error messages, try restarting. If it doesn't work then, the only thing i can think of is that virtualbox has an old version of the addons, and it hasn't detected that. Try deleting the addons iso from wherever it is getting it on the host os. this should prompt it to download the latest version when you try and load it next via devices->install guest addons 19:38 reva previous was the MAIN guest addition module, now it is building guest additions module (non-MAIN, I guess); yes, if it does not work, I will try that. I can call up the irc log and follow instructions, Braedon. 19:40 chris Morning 19:40 wizzyrea Good Morning New Zealand! 19:40 jcamins Morning. 19:40 Braedon howdy 19:40 Braedon (just to be different) 19:41 chris What's cracka lacking? 19:41 chris (Its Friday :)) 19:41 jcamins Not here. 19:42 jcamins And it's driving me batty! ;) 19:42 Braedon it is indeed friday (here) 19:42 chris Wedding tomorrow? 19:42 Braedon and what a miserable looking friday it is 19:42 reva Bradeon, I empty the CD/DVD drive after I reboot, correct? 19:42 chris Not too bad down here 19:43 jcamins chris: Yep. 19:43 Braedon up here it is a gray dome of dreariness 19:43 owen chris is here, must be time for me to leave! 19:44 owen Bye all! 19:44 chris jcamins: all the best for the big day, try not to stress :) 19:44 reva Braedon, it has worked. Ths desktop is now bigger!:) 19:44 reva And let me try the clipboard function now. 19:44 Braedon reva: awesome 19:45 jcamins chris: Thanks. I'm not too stressed out about it, just excited. 19:45 chris That's the perfect way to be 19:45 jcamins :) 19:45 reva now, I still see the virtualcd it had copied to the desktop. So, do I empty my CD/DVD drive and then the next time I reboot it will go away? 19:46 reva ipboard working too. 19:47 reva that is supposed to be clipboard. 19:47 reva Bradeon, you are the man:) 19:47 Braedon if you go places->computer, or open any location actually, there should be a entry in the left side bar for the CD, with an eject symbol next to it. 19:47 Braedon if there is, click on the symbol 19:47 chris Braedon, when does your semester end? 19:48 chris Before oct 25? 19:48 Braedon i think it ends on October the 15th 19:48 reva k, I will eject it and it should run fromt the drivers that have been installed in the ubuntu machine now, right? 19:49 Braedon chris: but then we have up to 3 weeks of exams - so perhaps.. 19:49 chris Ahhh 19:50 Braedon reva: that will unmount it, and it should disapear from the desktop. the addons themselves have been installed, and it should continue to run fine 19:51 Phil Hi ! I have a question about koha : can I use the concept of a clerk in the check out process ? I want to be able to specify a clerk for each check out, and later see what item are checked out for a certain clerk... is that possible ? 19:51 reva Braedon, should I also release the VBoxguestaddtions.iso from the CD drive? 19:52 Braedon reva: when you mount a device such as a CD drive, Ubuntu detects it and places links to it in various places, such as the side bar, and on the desktop. these are not strictly shortcuts, but effectivly do the same thing. 19:52 Braedon reva: yes, that should be fine 19:52 reva ok, I got it. It is just I seem have a block when it come to virtualization:). Thanks tremendously. 19:52 chris I totally don't understand what you mean phil 19:52 Phil lol 19:53 Phil do you understand what i mean by clerk ?.... when you buy something in a store... the guy at the register is the clerk... hes the one that handled the transaction 19:53 reva Now, reva if off to Gautemala for a much looked for vacation and good mexican food, yo'all> Good evening. 19:53 Phil i want to be able to introduce the concept of the "transaction guy" in a transaction 19:53 chris Ah you want a log of who processed the issue? 19:53 Phil yup 19:54 chris Yeah statistics table 19:54 chris Stores that 19:54 Phil but not just a log... i want be able to know what items are checkout by the guy 19:55 Phil suppose the clerk name Bob helped 3 clients with checkouts... each client checked out 1 book... well i want to be able to see the 3 books that are out and that Bob handled 19:55 Phil do you understand ? 19:56 wizzyrea you want to know which books bob put his fingerprints on 19:56 chris Yep 19:56 wizzyrea makes sense to me. 19:56 Phil yep 19:56 Phil and bob is not the client.... hes my employe 19:56 wizzyrea right 19:56 chris I'm pretty sure a report on statistics will do that, but id have to check 19:56 wizzyrea do you have a problem employee? 19:56 wizzyrea >.> 19:57 Phil :P 19:57 wizzyrea heh 19:57 chris If not it would be a very small change 19:57 * wizzyrea is always on the lookout for people problems in search of a technological solution. 19:58 chris Ok that's my bus stop 19:58 chris Back after coffee 19:59 Phil i thought i could use some kind of workaround with the librairies... i could do as if each employee was an independant library... then i could see what each library was doing.... only problem is i want the stock of items to be shared... 19:59 Phil if library 1 gets a book, i want the others to get the same book and the same quantity 20:00 Phil I know it's a bit far fechted 20:02 jcamins Phil: I would think that dealing with the HR issues would be preferable, but you could have separate branches if you wanted. 20:03 Phil can you sync the stock between branches ? 20:03 jcamins (though note that I have never tried this- I just know that it's possible to set it up so that any branch can check out any book) 20:03 jcamins You would only have one record for each item. 20:04 Braedon how do you need to view the info? if the data needed to calculate it is logged somewhere, could you use a script to generate it? Would be a lot easier to write a script than a new full feature to do it within Koha 20:04 Phil if branch 1 get 3 copies of a book.... will the other branches get the same qty ? 20:04 Phil .... nice 20:04 Phil i like it 20:05 Phil 1 robot piece for you my friend 20:05 Phil (to Braedon) 20:06 * Braedon installs new robot piece 20:06 Braedon (it wurrs and beeps technologically) 20:07 Phil :D 20:13 Phil I will leave you on that cheerful note... thanks a lot to everyone for your help ! 20:14 * Braedon 's new part beeps "no problem" 20:22 richard hi 20:23 chris hiya richard 20:23 wizzyrea hi richard :) 20:23 richard hi chris and wizzyrea 20:23 jcamins Hello. 20:34 jcamins Good night, #koha 20:35 jcamins If you see me online tomorrow morning... remind me that it *is* Friday. ;) 20:35 chris hehe will do 20:35 chris "GO GET MARRIED!!!" 20:35 wizzyrea yea, SHOO 20:35 jcamins_a Bye. 20:36 richard heh 20:36 jcamins_a You know what, I think I'll do just that! 20:36 * wizzyrea claps 20:37 wizzyrea it's a good thing his fiancé is easy going lol 20:37 chris hehe 20:37 chris hi LBA 20:37 LBA howdy 20:41 chris booked your ticket to NZ yet? 20:41 chris :) 20:42 LBA :'( sadly I won't be there.... 20:42 chris bummer 20:47 chris heya anitsirk :) 20:47 anitsirk hey chris. 20:51 chris ok, off to discuss contracts, fun fun fun 20:52 wizzyrea oof 20:52 wizzyrea gl 20:52 chris bbiab 21:08 sekjal did anyone know that there was a manual_match option in Stage MARC Records for Import? 21:09 chris yup 21:09 sekjal I'm so very excited 21:09 chris havent ever tried it though .. does it work? 21:10 sekjal well... haven't seen that particular proof yet 21:10 sekjal system is hanging on me 21:20 chris working from home today alan? 21:21 sekjal okay, manually adjusting the import data in the database doesn't so much work 21:21 sekjal but I was able to run a query to get me what I wanted, so I'm happy 21:21 chris sweet 21:24 sekjal story was: had 6 corrupted MARCXML records (marc blob was fine) that I couldn't edit in the staff client 21:24 chris ah yeah 21:24 chris we should build a subroutine, rebuild_xml_from_marc 21:24 chris that you pass a biblionumber 21:24 wizzyrea ^^ would be super handy 21:25 chris it sure would 21:25 wizzyrea or capture those fatal errors that it causes, and put a button on it that says "rebuild this" 21:25 sekjal I ran a report to get the marc blobs, saved to file, then reimported through Stage MARC records 21:25 sekjal very sloppy, but worked well enough 21:25 chris ohh that idea is even better wizzyrea 21:25 chris sekjal: neat workaround ;) 21:26 sekjal jcamins and slef helped me out 21:26 chris wizzyrea: you'll send a patch tomorrow? *grin* 21:26 wizzyrea man, gimme a long time and you might have that. 21:28 chris :) 21:28 chris it shouldnt be too bad 21:28 chris select marc from biblioitems where biblionumber = 21:28 chris make a marc::record object from that 21:29 chris update bibliotems set marcxml = ? where biblionumber = ? 21:29 chris $record->as_xml() 21:29 chris and stick a row in zebraqueue 21:29 sekjal I was working on a script to do this; hit a snag with bad characters on decode 21:31 chris you can tell MARC::Charset to be less strict 21:32 chris which im guess the stage marc must do, or it would run into the same decode issues 21:33 sekjal I'll check up on that... making a note now (almost time to go) 21:37 sekjal and now is that time. cheers, #koha! 21:37 chris cya 21:38 wizzyrea and for me too. I get grown up time tonight! 21:38 wizzyrea WHEE! 21:38 chris hehe