Time  Nick       Message
23:11 robin      now just to wait until it gets into testing.
23:11 chris      sweet
23:09 robin      yay, looks like the zebra fix will be getting an exception to the Debian freeze.
22:57 rhcl       We used to take our dry cell batteries to Lowe's (a large home improvement chain here in the US) but they stopped taking them. Nearly all batteries like that have been mercury free for a number of years, so they're not quite as bad to trash as before, but it would be nice to find someone who could do something better than that with them.
22:28 jcamins    Good night, #koha
22:03 larsw      jcamins, oh, that's right, I remember noticing that
22:03 jcamins    That's the law in NY, too.
22:03 larsw      (that's a business opportunity for battery recyclers if anyone wants to figure out a way to fund Koha development ;)
22:03 chilts     larsw: that's a good idea
22:02 larsw      chris, you'll want to suggest to your MP that NZ get the same law as many European countries have: any store that sells batteries must accept used ones and make sure they get disposed of responsibly
22:02 chilts     I mean, there has to be some kind of trust somewhere
22:02 chris      yeah
22:02 chilts     chris: dunno, but then how can we check what anyone does with our rubbish
22:01 larsw      chilts, I'll do that today, then, thanks!
22:01 chilts     they take mobile phones and stuff, so I asked about batteries and they said yeah
22:01 chris      what do they do with them? throw them in my stream? :)
22:01 chilts     yep
22:01 chris      you AA, and AAA batteries?
22:01 chilts     you are lucky, it had taken me 4 years to find out what to do :)
22:01 chilts     larsw: I took mine to the Telecom shop in Duke's Arcade!!!
21:56 larsw      (as reasonable as is possible, given that I've given in and bought some)
21:55 larsw      they're toxic waste, so I'd like to do something reasonable
21:55 richard    if you put them in the dump they end up leaching into the stream that runs by chris' place
21:55 * richard  doesn't know of a nice way to get rid of those
21:54 richard    ah
21:54 richard    last year there was a stink about them pumping lead into the air from their car battery recycling operateions
21:54 larsw      AA and AAA batteries, that is, not laptop or car batteries
21:54 richard    is exide still going in petone
21:53 chris      i dont, richard do you?
21:53 chris      hmm good question
21:52 larsw      (sorry for the off-topicness)
21:52 larsw      chris, robin: would you happen to know what the responsible way to get rid of batteries is in Wellington?
21:27 munin      moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 21.3�C (4:38 PM CDT on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990.1 hPa (Rising).
21:27 moodaepo   @wunder 56001
21:08 anitsirk   oh no. sorry about that.
21:07 chris      wrong #koha anitsirk :)
21:07 anitsirk   darling & melia: will be u in a sec.
20:55 chris      :) i blame the weather
20:55 * richard  a bit slow off the mark today :)
20:54 richard    hey chris
20:21 chris      hiya richard
20:20 richard    hi
20:19 chris      back
20:05 cait       :)
20:05 cait       bbi8hours  - good night all
20:04 owen       Ok my quitting time bbi16hours
20:01 chris      Ok my stop bbiab
19:59 chris      nice
19:59 sekjal     to make matters more fun: I have to do this over the phone to someone, who has not gotten used to the Dvorak keyboard that's attached to the terminal they have to use
19:58 sekjal     I'm going to give it a go
19:56 chris      No man on my phone but off the top of my head xm disable
19:56 chris      The xm commands
19:54 cait       aaw :)
19:53 sekjal     this is only vaguely Koha related, but I figured I'd ask here first, since you all are my favourite channel :)
19:52 sekjal     I think I have a server that's choking Xen, and throwing it into a reboot loop.  I need to figure out how to a) disable that server on boot, and b) somehow get into it in a safe way to find the problem
19:51 chris      I've used it, far from expert tho
19:51 jcamins    I am not, but I can relay your questions to one of my other IRC channels where there are people who know about Xen.
19:50 sekjal     anyone here happen to be an Xen expert?
19:50 jcamins    Welcome back.
19:50 cait       wb chris
19:48 chris      Back
19:33 cait       owen++
19:30 chris      bbiab
19:30 chris      right bus time
19:30 cait       hard to read the old script
19:28 cait       picture
19:28 cait       oh, they even have a picute
19:26 cait       oh, perhaps I had a timeout earlier
19:26 jcamins    When you search VD17 directly, it lists two issues.
19:26 cait       not sure, but got no results there
19:26 LBA        hey Chris!
19:25 jcamins    Ooh, why didn't I check VD17?
19:24 cait       check the column Germany and it will search all the big union catalogs
19:24 chris      hi LBA
19:23 jcamins    I can do the search.
19:22 cait       can't post you the link to the search result, it's too long for my link shortener
19:22 cait       http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/kvk/kvk/kvk_en.html good for research
19:21 cait       yep
19:18 jcamins    Or at least multiple issues (same text, different title page). :)
19:17 jcamins    There may be multiple editions of it, although probably not.
19:16 cait       jcamins: I am checking our big union catalogs for your title right now - at the moment it's 2:1 for Emblematisch ;)
19:16 jcamins    (just checked my e-mail)
19:16 jcamins    I hope the patron who I told we were open Wednesday didn't come in to the ANS.
19:15 jcamins    Wait, is today Wednesday? Okay, day after tomorrow.
19:15 jcamins    No doubt about it.
19:13 cait       one of us crazy librarians :)
19:13 cait       jcamins: you are really one of us :)
19:12 jcamins    cait: if it makes you feel any better about my sense of priorities, I just came across a _beautiful_ Thou binding with a 3-color manuscript from, probably, the fifteenth or sixteenth century used as binder's waste. :)
19:10 jcamins    Thanks.
19:10 sekjal     whoa, just came back in to jcamin's news.  Congratulations!!
19:06 jcamins    True.
19:06 jwagner    On the bright side, that keeps the stress level down, I'd think.
19:05 jcamins    Apparently I forgot to tell, well, anyone in the end-of-semester rush last spring, and then I forgot that I hadn't told anyone.
19:05 jcamins    Thank you all.
19:05 wizzyrea   congratulations!
19:05 wizzyrea   !! jcamins!
19:04 jcamins    But, yes.
19:04 jcamins    It's only 15:15.
19:04 jwagner    Now THAT'S a bachelor party!
19:04 cait       and you are spending the evening before your wedding with cataloging real old German books?
19:04 chris      congrats jcamins :)
19:04 jwagner    Congrats!
19:04 jcamins    Thanks.
19:04 larsw      jcamins, congratulations!
19:04 cait       oh, congratulation :)
19:03 jcamins    I'm getting married tomorrow.
19:03 jcamins    Oh, right.
19:03 jcamins    Yes.
19:03 cait       a wedding?
19:03 jcamins    Maybe I should just make a proper cake.
19:03 cait       but my twitter contact said it did
19:03 jcamins    Hm.
19:03 jcamins    And I could always give excess cake to my parents and brothers when they come to visit for the wedding tomorrow.
19:03 cait       tell me if it works :)
19:02 jcamins    That's so cute I may have to make those, even though there are enough people to eat a cake.
19:01 cait       right :)
19:01 jcamins    But you said you had a teeny oven, right?
19:01 jcamins    Aww, that's adorable!
19:00 cait       jared: http://content.no-ip.org/Stuff/1278623146661.jpg  and I have no microwave...
18:59 cait       but not sure about the rules here :)
18:59 cait       would have been my guess too
18:58 jcamins    Oh, that says that emblematischer doesn't need to be capitalized. Thanks!
18:57 cait       http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=031821863
18:56 cait       and it's even one of our records
18:56 jcamins    Everything's in capital letters.
18:56 cait       hmpf
18:56 cait       not sure what marc21 says, but I think you can use the way it's written on the book?
18:55 jcamins    Yeah, it's a book about medals to do with the Dutch Wars of Independence.
18:54 cait       a box with medals and explanation of them?
18:53 cait       it means box
18:53 cait       I think kasten makes more sense
18:53 cait       no problem
18:53 jcamins    Yes. Oh, sorry, I should've mentioned that.
18:53 cait       ok, that's old
18:51 jcamins    http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/256705940
18:50 jcamins    Maybe that wiggly thing is supposed to mean there's an 'n' at the end.
18:50 jcamins    Ooh, perhaps I mistyped it.
18:50 jcamins    Neither do I. I'll find the Worldcat record.
18:50 cait       Kasten perhaps?
18:49 cait       can you show me the title?
18:49 cait       I dont really understand it
18:49 cait       oh
18:46 jcamins    cait: if you have a moment for a German question, should all the words in the title "Historisch-Emblematischer Medaillen-Kaste" be capitalized?
18:45 * jwagner  admits certain OTHER words are in my personal vocabulary during projects like this....
18:44 jwagner    Those words aren't in our vocabulary :-)
18:44 owen       It would have been easier to tell them, "Sorry, can't do that!"
18:44 jwagner    And that's not all their libraries, just the ones they wanted to do at this time.
18:44 jwagner    Yep.
18:44 owen       16 in one organization?
18:43 * jwagner  is working on 16 interfaces -- shuffling stylesheets like mad....
18:43 jwagner    Hey owen, FYI -- when I was asking the other day about stylesheets for the multiple URL setup?  It does just need the equiv of the opaccolorstylesheet, not the full opac.css.
18:42 cait       hi owen, hi jwagner :)
18:42 jwagner    Hi cait
18:42 owen       Hi cait
18:41 cait       hi all
18:21 briceSanc  and they looks like that after import : e'
18:20 briceSanc  Have you ever had encoding problems when importing Marc21 authorities ? My accent looks like that before import: {grave}e to �.
18:00 owen       Wouldn't it be nice if all these people who want to install Koha 2 on Windows would support each other for a change?
17:31 sekjal     in hindsight, it's easier to just skip the corrupted records for now, and deal with them if they come up in later scripts.  that way I can keep moving forward with the day's work
16:56 slef       np
16:56 jcamins    Cool. Thanks.
16:55 slef       misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl
16:55 jcamins    Probably. I've never felt the need to truncate the log, I was just asking for clarification. ;)
16:55 slef       some things are in database, some are in files
16:54 rhcl_tng   I was assuming it was just a flat file somewhere, like system logs
16:54 slef       jcamins: ah.  If it's those ones, there's a script which truncates, isn't there?
16:54 sekjal     slef: got to get the corrupted fields out first... hang on... trying something
16:54 jcamins    slef: but isn't the log stored in the database?
16:53 rhcl_tng   expunge beginning at a size or date point is probably better wording
16:53 slef       :)
16:53 slef       oof!
16:53 rhcl_tng   terminate at a size or date point?
16:53 slef       (what would koha do when it hit maxlogsize anyway?)
16:52 rhcl_tng   ok i mean
16:52 rhcl_tng   pk, tnx
16:52 slef       rhcl_tng: no, it's the wrong place to set it.  Configure logrotate.
16:52 slef       sekjal: or actually something more like $dbh = C4::Context->dbh; $sth = $dbh->prepare("SELECT marc FROM biblioitems WHERE biblionumber = N"); $sth->execute(); C4::Biblio::ModBiblioMarc($sth->fetchrow());
16:50 rhcl_tng   it appears that currently there is no way to set a maxlogsize for things like Letterlog,  BorrowersLog,  CataloguingLog --is there generally no problem with logs getting too large? Would it be nice to have an option to set a maxlogsize on the System Preferences -> Logging Preferences page?
16:48 slef       sekjal: alternative approach would be to C4::Biblio::ModBiblioMarc(a copy of C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio that uses the marc field instead of the marcxml one)
16:40 sekjal     slef: got it, thanks!
16:39 slef       sekjal: on its way
16:39 jcamins    (one that matches 999c to the biblionumber index)
16:38 jcamins    You may need to create a new matching rule. I don't quite remember.
16:37 sekjal     999c does seem to be in there
16:37 sekjal     jcamins: hmm... that could do it
16:37 sekjal     slef: ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com will work
16:36 slef       sekjal: where do you want it?
16:36 jcamins    SELECT biblioitems.marc TO OUTFILE `example.mrc` (or whatever the proper syntax is), make sure the 999$c is there, then reimport, enabling overlay?
16:34 sekjal     slef: if you don't mind, I'd take a look at it. It might give me a better place to start
16:33 jcamins    Hm.
16:33 jcamins    Oh.
16:33 slef       I can give you this script, but it needs work to operate directly on the database fields.
16:33 sekjal     records won't export, since the .mrc is generated from biblioitems.marcxml
16:32 jcamins    sekjal: export the records, then reimport?
16:32 slef       wow
16:32 sekjal     can't get to the cataloguing editor; records won't load because the MARCXML is bad
16:31 slef       that provokes both marc and marcxml to be rebuilt IIRC
16:31 slef       if db records ok, quickest way right now is to do a no-change edit on the record in cataloguing
16:31 slef       sekjal: does it have to be rebuilt from the MARC and not the db records?
16:30 slef       oh wait
16:30 slef       that's not particularly quick, actually, because you have to save the marc fields to a file, convert them, then load them back into marcxml
16:28 slef       sekjal: I'll sell you my marc21xml.pl ;-)
16:25 sekjal     does anyone know a quick way to rebuild the marcxml field in biblioitems from the marc?  I have 11 records out of sync
16:01 jcamins    I meant, switching from Local Use, everything except for cataloging works.
16:01 wizzyrea   ok I'll report that then
16:01 jcamins    Yeah, for me too.
16:01 wizzyrea   at least for me
16:01 wizzyrea   cataloging works as long as you don't switch from local use
16:00 jcamins    Everything except for Cataloging works.
16:00 wizzyrea   ok whew, now I don't feel so nuts
15:59 jcamins    I tested OPAC and Administration earlier.
15:59 jcamins    Ooh, no, that one's broken.
15:59 wizzyrea   can you do that?
15:59 wizzyrea   switch from localuse to Cataloging
15:59 wizzyrea   jcamins
15:59 wizzyrea   ok
15:58 jcamins    Nope, I'm not.
15:58 jcamins    Actually, I may be a few commits behind HEAD.
15:58 wizzyrea   that it may be my data.
15:58 wizzyrea   actually
15:58 wizzyrea   I have a sense
15:58 wizzyrea   haha
15:58 slef       someone has broken your koha while you slept
15:57 wizzyrea   it's just me :)
15:57 wizzyrea   weird, ok, thank you for checking
15:57 jcamins    It works for me.
15:57 wizzyrea   and you click on any tab except Local Use, it works fine to click between them
15:56 wizzyrea   but if you are on any tab besides local use
15:56 wizzyrea   Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 72.
15:56 wizzyrea   and it gave this: Software error:
15:56 wizzyrea   then I tried to click any other tab
15:56 wizzyrea   and I clicked on "Local Use"
15:56 wizzyrea   i'm looking at the sysprefs on current HEAD
15:56 wizzyrea   that's interesting
15:56 wizzyrea   hmm
15:43 Phil       nevermind... ill find a workaround
15:36 Phil       do you think I can still install it on a 64 bits system ?
15:36 Phil       the KOC is only available in 32 bits ?
15:27 Phil       that's very interesting ... thank you very much !
15:25 sekjal     we have a data standard for Offline Circ information, so new modules can always be written
15:24 Danke      slef, will do :)
15:24 Phil       k
15:24 sekjal     Phil: there are actually two different offline circ tools:  Kyle's (which we've linked) and Kivutar's Firefox extension (which seems broken at the moment)
15:24 slef       Danke: add yourself to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide#Europe when you feel confident enough ;-)
15:23 slef       That's one heck of a big typo.
15:23 owen       Not unfortunately. That's a typo :)
15:22 owen       Unfortunately http://millruntech.com/koha/koha-tools/koha-offline-circulation
15:22 slef       rhcl The Next Generation?
15:22 wajasu     the XSLTDetails doesn't have the "Published by:" publisher as a link as the non XSLT code does.  Shall I add a bug?
15:22 Phil       oh thank you !
15:22 Phil       is there documentation about it ?
15:22 sekjal     http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha-tools/koha-offline-circulation/
15:22 owen       There's a bug report saying the Firefox plugin doesn't work. I don't know beyond that.
15:21 slef       anyone else know offline?
15:21 Phil       k
15:21 slef       but he's not here right now (US time I think)
15:21 slef       and that's not something I know well... kyle is the nick to talk to here
15:21 slef       Phil: you'd be better off using the offline client I suspect
15:21 Phil       can koha be used by roaming librarians ?... i mean can you take your own copy of the database with you... lend some books, come back and synchronize with the main database ?
15:20 Danke      ah, hello all the way from devon! haha
15:20 slef       Danke: greetings from Somerset!
15:20 slef       kf: but it's actually a ytpo of self.
15:20 Danke      yep, the south west
15:20 slef       kf: my nickname means spit in Icelandic or some other language.
15:19 slef       hi Danke - are you in England as well as from it?
15:18 sekjal     Phil: sure is.  what can we help you with?
15:18 Phil       Hi... is this the right place to ask a general question about koha ?
15:17 Danke      when i go to add a new record in the cataloging section, i barely understand what i'm being asked for
15:16 kf         :)
15:15 Danke      ah, i see. i'd like to simplify the cataloging as much as humanly possible... the users are mostly techophobes
15:15 owen       Creating a new framework is tedious, so don't undertake it lightly
15:14 owen       Danke: You would only create a MARC framework if you were going to catalog a lot of them and the existing frameworks didn't work well for you
15:13 Danke      ahh... unfortunately, i'm not
15:13 paul_p     (& kf is german, as her nick don't say ;-) )
15:13 Danke      i'm from england
15:13 Danke      yep, a happy accident in my real name i noticed one day
15:13 kf         I wonder because your name means thank you in German :)
15:12 Danke      i've created an item type, do i create a marc framework for them too?
15:12 kf         where are you from?
15:12 Danke      hello
15:12 kf         hallo Danke
15:12 Danke      sounds like it would be :)
15:12 wizzyrea   let me find you an example record for that
15:12 wizzyrea   maybe it would be similar?
15:12 wizzyrea   we have a collection of cake pans in our collection
15:11 wizzyrea   hmm
15:11 Danke      How do i go about cataloging children's toys? I'm guessing the z39.50 client won't be helpful there
15:01 kf         but you can create them
15:01 kf         if you have no categories for LOST etc. they were not imported during install
15:00 kf         yes
14:59 aarkerio   in  "Basic parameters > Authorized values"  screen?
14:59 kf         asort is always empty, it's a custom field for acquisitions
14:59 kf         check the categories I listed for you
14:58 aarkerio   in "Authorized values for category Asort1"  are no values
14:58 kf         if the values are nto there, they can not be displayed
14:57 kf         check your authorized values for LOST
14:57 aarkerio   yes
14:57 kf         aarkerio: have you chosen to import them during install?
14:56 aarkerio   but why I can not see the options like "Withdrawn status" in "Add item" screen:   http://mononeurona.org/img/imgusers/aarkerio_2053.png
14:47 owen       Not that I know of. You can safely ignore it.
14:46 aarkerio   some wiki page?
14:46 owen       No
14:44 aarkerio   there is some .sql file with  "Authorized values Asort1" samples?
14:33 wizzyrea   we really ought to force more of those in I think
14:33 * wizzyrea has noted that it's a lot easier to deal with a brand new koha if you import many of the default values.
14:32 aarkerio   ok!
14:32 owen       installer/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_itemtypes.sql if you want some default item types
14:31 aarkerio   perfect! I will import the tables, thx a lot!
14:30 owen       installer/data/mysql/en/optional/auth_val.sql (for the English version)
14:29 owen       There is. The web installer should have offered to install some defaults for you.
14:29 aarkerio   mmm, no,   there is a "default" structure values can I import?
14:26 owen       aarkerio: Have you configured your authorised values for things like "withdrawn," "lost," etc.?
14:26 aarkerio   http://mononeurona.org/img/imgusers/aarkerio_2053.png
14:26 aarkerio   hi!  I'm trying to import some record after Z39.50 search, but item options are not displayed properly:
14:24 wizzyrea   hey owen :)
14:24 owen       Hi wizzyrea
14:24 wizzyrea   right?
14:24 wizzyrea   there hasn't been a change to mainline where due and predue notices are added to the overdues email
14:04 wajasu     i wrote a bash script and package for archlinux and deployed to a lxc-container.  but if i did it with puppet, and we checked it in git to be shared, only the different dependencies for debian, ubuntu, etc would need tweeking. Plus it would be a common language to communicate what is intended.
14:00 magnus     cool, i have heard a lot about puppet, but havn't had time to look into it yet. sounds like a lot of work initially, though?
13:57 wajasu     yes.
13:57 magnus     wajasu: wouldn't it be possible to use puppet anywhere?
13:53 wajasu     if i code all that metadta that is in the makefile install and INSTALL.* and how to get and build packages for the perlmodules with version and dependency management, it might be a push button excercise to deploy and update koha. OpenQRM has puppet integration, so we can deploy in the cloud or lxc-containers. and developers can deploy for testing.
13:50 magnus     wajasu: cool!
13:26 wajasu     explores using puppet for configure koha, then installs/updates on various distributions, etc could be checked in and shared.
13:26 jcamins    kf: if you're around, the answer to your earlier question is that Koha kind of supports COiNS.
13:23 jcamins    That's what I get for getting distracted in the middle of saying something on another channel.
13:23 jcamins_a  Sorry about that.
13:23 jcamins_a  david: often /nick jcamins
13:23 magnus     g'day jcamins_a
13:20 jcamins_a  Good morning, #koha
12:22 magnus     hiya owen
12:18 owen       Hi #koha
12:02 kf         oh and similar titles
12:01 kf         it had review, cover and other editions
12:01 kf         hmpf. one of my libraries deleted my favourite example for enhanced content :(
12:00 kf         hi Amit
11:49 Amit       hi hdl
11:49 hdl        hi amit
11:49 hdl        hi amit
11:46 munin      Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (2:30 PM IST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 21.0�C.
11:46 Amit       @wunder bangalore
11:43 munin      magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0�C (1:20 PM CEST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
11:43 magnus     @wunder bodo
11:42 munin      kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.5�C (1:52 PM CEST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
11:42 kf         @wunder Konstanz
11:39 * magnus   basks in the sun
11:26 munin      slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 13.1�C (12:36 PM BST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
11:26 slef       @wunder weston-super-mare
11:26 * slef     squelches
11:07 smustafa   bye for now :)
11:07 smustafa   I hope to talk to you then...
11:07 smustafa   ok ok that is fine
11:07 chris      maybe, its 11.17pm here
11:07 smustafa   will you be avialable tomorrow earlier on Chat so I can talk to you about this?
11:06 smustafa   Dear Chris, I have to go sighs...they are shutting down the Internet for maintenance.  It is 3:18 PM my time that is why (We finish work at 3:00 PM)
11:05 chris      what user is zebrasrv running as?
11:05 smustafa   how do I run it
11:05 smustafa   I don't know what do chris...honestly
11:05 chris      is there are reason you are running rebuild_zebra.pl as root?
11:04 chris      export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/your/koha-conf.xml
11:03 smustafa   mistuser@mistuser-desktop:/var/www/koha-2010-08-04/misc/migration_tools$ sudo perl -I /var/www/koha-2010-08-04 rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
11:03 smustafa   after I did
11:03 smustafa   The error I get is unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /var/www/koha-2010-08-04/C4/Context.pm line 307.
11:03 smustafa   and the configuration files and such are located in /home/user/koha-dev
11:03 smustafa   For some reason I can't run rebuild_zebra.pl and I have a [DEV] configuration where my work is located in /var/www/koha-dev
11:03 smustafa   anyone available to help me with my zebra?
11:02 smustafa   Hi everyone
10:35 kf         chris: ?
10:15 munin      04Bug 5057: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Update koha INSTALL.ubuntu
10:15 wajasu     i found http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5057 that mentions the need to remove http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=encodingscratchpad from the INSTALL.ubuntu.  Should I edit the bug to include INSTALL.fedora7 as well OR create a new big for it.
09:57 wajasu     will create a new account.
09:48 wajasu     i can't remember. was there a migration from an old bugzilla.  do i need to reregister or do the forgot password thing.
09:17 magnus     kf: yup
09:17 kf         I think we will come back to ils-di soon
09:16 kf         magnus: there is always room for improvement, but it's nice to have the doc in the opac
09:15 magnus     kf: yeah, it would probably be good if the doc was a bit more specific...
09:15 magnus     (it seems odd that id_type is used to specify "the metadata schema" for that call, but "type of record identifier" for GetAvailability...)
09:14 kf         perhaps doc should look similar to getAvailability then
09:13 kf         ah ok
09:13 magnus     kf: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/ILSDI/Services.pm;hb=HEAD#l145 "Given a list of biblionumbers, returns a list of record objects that contain bibliographic information"
09:13 kf         quite possible
09:12 kf         perhaps
09:10 magnus     kf: i *think* id = biblionumber
09:08 CGI429     hii
09:04 magnus     kf: np, be my guest!
09:04 kf         sorry magnus to use your url, but my installation is behind a firewall
09:03 kf         http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl?service=Describe&verb=GetRecords
08:59 slef       looking at GetRecords where?
08:55 kf         looking at GetRecords - what is id (Required)   list of system record identifiers?
08:53 kf         magnus: good idea, I will make a note to do that, but perhaps look at all ils-di functions first
08:53 kf         magnus: not sure how it works, but hope it's not too hard to do
08:52 * magnus   put in an enhancement bug for it?
08:52 magnus     kf: ok, i hadn't thought about that... shouldn't be too hard to do marc 001 too?
08:52 kf         our ill system does not have those
08:51 kf         if I understand the documentation correctly
08:51 kf         magnus: yes
08:50 magnus     kf: it's just the biblionumber or or the biblioitemnumber?
08:48 kf         I am grateful that our union catalog takes care of such things, not so much nonsense in our data
08:48 chris      and looking at a lot of records, thats what ppl have done :)
08:48 chris      but you can type nonsense in
08:47 kf         slef: no, only 003 with sys pref MarcORGCode and koha does not generate an id
08:47 chris      its a compulsory field in the default framework, so unless you change that koha will force you to put a value in
08:45 kf         slef: I am not sure, we import them with 040 set
08:45 slef       Which reminds me: does/should Koha update a field in 040 with the library's MARC code when a record is edited?
08:45 kf         magnus: ils-di looks good to me, but it would be even more useful if id_type could be marc 001 too
08:44 slef       recently, to see if openbibliography can figure out anything about the licensing of a record.
08:44 munin      slef: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8]
08:44 slef       @marc 040
08:44 slef       I've been looking at that and
08:42 wajasu     so "Not fiction" seems to be standard then. thx kf.
08:42 magnus     kf: np
08:41 kf         magnus: thx for the links, this is really great to know
08:41 kf         so perhaps parsing marcxml is another way to go... hm!
08:41 magnus     kf: sure!
08:40 kf         magnus: yes we were thinking about ils-di too - but available in library is not always the same as available for ill
08:40 munin      chris: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
08:40 chris      @marc 008
08:39 kf         slef: @marc 008
08:39 kf         wajasu: hm looking at marc 21 perhaps I was wrong: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008b.html
08:38 slef       often MARC21 isn't that specific about terms
08:38 slef       anyway, look it up at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/
08:37 munin      slef: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
08:37 slef       munin: you suck
08:37 munin      slef: Error: "what" is not a valid command.
08:37 slef       munin: what is MARC21
08:37 munin      slef: Error: "MARC21?" is not a valid command.
08:37 slef       munin: MARC21?
08:37 magnus     kf: ils-di has a call called GetAvailability: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl?service=Describe&verb=GetAvailability
08:37 kf         and I think the terms used are from MARC21
08:37 slef       magnus: heheh
08:36 kf         wajasu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fiction
08:36 magnus     kf: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2010-February/022607.html
08:36 kf         non fiction
08:36 wajasu     would anyone here know if the  Literary Form: should be  "not fiction"  or "non fiction"  ?  Is a cataloguer here?
08:35 kf         we talked about an API to check availability for ILL requests
08:34 kf         is there a way to get the availability information as xml too?
08:34 magnus     slef: i just said i didn't know when i would be there, not why...
08:34 wajasu     kf: thanks.
08:34 kf         cool!
08:34 kf         yep, just figured out
08:33 magnus     kf: the format parameter can be any of these: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/unapi (guess that was a bit more info than what you actually wanted... ;-)
08:32 magnus     kf: here's a live example: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/unapi?id=koha:biblionumber:2&format=oai_dc
08:32 kf         thx magnus!
08:30 magnus     kf: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=391a6d32619978aa3c1e624743479a0d3fe45f89
08:29 kf         ok, the installation I was testing is a bit behidn current head
08:28 magnus     kf: HEAD gives a good reply to http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/unapi, but older versions don't...
08:28 kf         the second
08:28 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, 440 Display Issues
08:28 kf         ah sorry, bug 2704
08:28 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2794 normal, P3, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Browse Shelf doesn't work with ISBN containing '-'
08:28 kf         bug 2794
08:27 kf         wajasu: I think it has not been pushed yet
08:27 kf         magnus: yeah, but my browser shows me coins is used for zotero (tool tip of icon in url field)
08:27 wajasu     so i should just git pull again.
08:26 kf         wajasu: I tested it
08:26 kf         wajasu: there was already a patch sent for that problem
08:26 wajasu     serries tracing
08:26 magnus     kf: there is support for unAPI. have a look at the source for record-page  in the OPAC: <link rel="unapi-server" type="application/xml" title="unAPI" href="http://demo.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/unapi" />
08:26 kf         slef: yes, but it's both there, I wanted to know what is actually working now :)
08:26 slef       wajasu: depends what @ind means :)
08:25 slef       kf: could search manual and archives for for unAPI
08:25 wajasu     ok. i see the reason for my Series: field in the XSLTDetails biblio having no data showing is because the XSLT rule is only for @ind=0 and my example record has @ind=1.  Should the rule handle both types? either 0 or 1?
08:25 kf         I think zotero can use both, as other services can
08:25 slef       I thought it was CoINS that made it work with zotero
08:25 kf         yes, with coins it works too
08:24 chris      well it works with zotero
08:24 kf         I think unApi has more information and is used for zotero
08:23 slef       kf: I think it does CoINS if the templates used are OK. I don't remember what unAPI is.
08:23 * kf       writing text for our flyer
08:23 kf         does koha support unAPI and CoINS?
08:23 slef       yeah, I wrote that I wasn't sure when because I was arriving on the koha road trip and got "what's that?" sort of questions back :-D
08:22 magnus     slef: huh? i told her i will be arriving on the sunday, but i'm not sure when
08:20 slef       magnus: hadn't you told booklovers about the road trip?  I'm getting questions...
08:18 chris      most people in nz will never have a wero performed for them, it usually is for visiting dignatories and heads of state etc, so we are pretty privileged
08:18 magnus     sounds good
08:17 chris      magnus: part of the cost for the trip is for the koha (the rest for the bus)
08:15 kf         magnus: google helps :)
08:14 magnus     "Koha – a gift, generally an envelope of money" ;-)
08:13 magnus     chris: wow, that sounds... completely... translateable? ;-)
08:13 chris      http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/protocols/powhiri.html
08:11 chris      yup
08:11 chris      also, the trip to levin keeps getting better, the marae want to do a full powhiri, complete with wero, and a hangi for dinner
08:11 slef       fixed as in clarified the 28th?
08:10 chris      and i fixed the index page of the kohacon site
08:08 chris      slef: i only barely understand procmail, my brain is too full to try and cram more in there
08:08 kf         morning magnus
08:07 slef       .procmailrc is so 1990s... aren't you using Sieve yet? (although I can't remember if Sieve can pipe OTTOMH :-D )
08:06 magnus     hiya chris, kf & #koha
08:06 chris      hi magnus
08:05 chris      but id probably screw it up
08:05 chris      i could maybe try and make a .procmailrc for that address too
08:04 slef       the koha bugzilla... no, it's a reply to a comment... I'll use the web when I'm out of my inbox then
08:03 chris      slef
08:03 chris      bug-submit
08:02 kf         http://richardsayers.com.au/2010/08/library-thought-leaders/
08:00 chris      lemme find out
08:00 chris      but there is an email address you can mail
08:00 chris      the koha bugzilla? i dont think so
07:59 larsw      chris, those sound like good guesses
07:59 slef       anyone know if I reply to an email From: bugzilla-daemon, will it appear in the bug?
07:59 chris      larsw: im guessing a kereru and a kea (or maybe kaka)
07:57 slef       larsw: so I saw. What's with that?  Your head feel like it's full of birdseed after a flight again?
07:56 slef       chris: my main complaints with qmail was user-unfriendliness, combined with a licence for ages that hindered fixes for that.  If it was just a silly licence, it wouldn't have been quite so annoying ;-)
07:56 larsw      (I leave identification of birds to my SO :)
07:55 larsw      chris, some kind of parrot and some kind of pidgeon, both native to NZ
07:54 kf         larsw: I thought this was only happening to the princesses in disney movies :)
07:50 chris      what type of birds?
07:50 chris      so i see
07:50 chris      heh
07:48 larsw      chris, nope, I've been too busy having birds sit on me, still catching up with the Internet
07:48 chris      larsw: did you see http://passthesource.org.nz/2010/08/25/cloudy-horizons/
07:48 chris      an fredericd
07:47 chris      heya larsw :)
07:47 larsw      hola
07:47 kf         #koha is waking up :)
07:47 kf         hi fredercd and larsw
07:44 fredericd  good morning all
07:42 kf         hi chris :)
07:42 chris      evening
07:25 brendan    have a great day all :)
07:24 brendan    alright - night all - I think I've killed him - good and dead for tonight
07:23 kf         hdl: no problem :)
07:19 hdl        kf: thanks
07:18 kf         hdl: wrote back to paul right now, booked at travelodge
07:18 kf         marc-must-die.info
07:17 hdl        (It has been claimed dead for ages now... librarians, please, please,  do kill him) :D
07:16 brendan    heh
07:16 hdl        MARC and the rise of the dead.... loook It is still moving its toes :D
07:13 brendan    at least yet
07:13 brendan    not too bad
07:13 kf         brendan: I hope it's not MARC nightmares that keep you awake
07:11 hdl        MARC ...
07:11 hdl        ah....
07:10 brendan    MARC is keeping me awake
07:10 brendan    nope just up late
07:10 hdl        are you in a European timezone ?
07:10 hdl        hi brendan..
07:09 brendan    heya hdl
07:03 hdl        hi kf
07:03 kf         morning hdl
06:58 kf         morning brendan :)
06:57 brendan    heya kf
06:57 kf         morning #koha
05:52 munin      Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 23.0�C (8:30 AM IST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa.
05:52 Amit       @weather Dehradun
05:52 munin      Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0�C (11:00 AM IST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
05:52 Amit       @weather New Delhi
05:41 brendan    :)
05:40 jo         Brendan - yes, thought I might :)
05:01 brendan    jo you going to KohaCon ;)
05:00 jo         thats a shame .. I was so looking forward to meeting you
05:00 Amit       Jo: I think no
05:00 jo         Amit: are you coming to Koha Con?
04:45 Amit       heya jo
04:42 jo         hey amit
04:13 Amit       hmmm.......may be hope so.. from indian side
04:12 chris      should be a good game, oram is out
04:11 Amit       chris: Today India vs NZ
04:11 chris      hiya amit
04:11 brendan    hey amit
04:11 Amit       heya chris, brendan
04:00 brendan    heya chris
04:00 chris      heya brendan
03:47 chris      yup
03:47 jo         and will be a brilliant experience for our overseas visitors
03:46 jo         I think local Iwi are pulling out all the stops for us .... pretty humbling
03:46 jo         yep
03:46 chris      i think ema is probably the best bet
03:45 jo         Ema can call if we have no one more willing
03:45 jo         but was very happy to hear you speak reo
03:44 chris      and i can do one for me
03:44 jo         he offered to stand on our side if we needed him to
03:44 chris      maybe we will do maku ra pea for the distinguished speaker
03:44 jo         so we willneed 2.
03:44 jo         he warned me of that
03:44 jo         yes.
03:35 chris      jo: that means 2 waiata
03:32 robin      no problem
03:30 jo         sorry
03:30 jo         the earlier enrolmenst went through correctly
03:30 jo         i updated the button and obviously did the GST wrong
03:27 robin      Oh, OK. I saw that but I didn't think anything of it.
03:26 jo         I'll change it immediately and I owe you a refund
03:26 jo         oh Robin ! just discovered that koha paypal button is adding GST on
03:23 robin      I haven't done one of those for a good number of years.
03:22 jo         and they may want a hand from some volunteers to prepare the hangi
03:22 jo         there will be kids floating around out there so the more the merrier
03:22 jo         hehe
03:21 robin      All of them? They're not supposed to meet!
03:20 chris      heh
03:20 jo         bring you your wife / girlfriend / girls
03:20 chris      :)
03:20 robin      oh OK then. Twist my arm why don't you :)
03:20 jo         and we can get a shuttle / mini van
03:20 jo         and if we have too many peole OI have a car we can use
03:20 jo         lots of seats Robin
03:20 jo         They want us there at 4pm so will have to negotiate with Council
03:19 robin      well, I didn't want to steal a seat from someone who wouldn't otherwish have a chance
03:19 chris      you dont want to come on the bus?
03:19 jo         come in the bus robin
03:19 jo         hangi is definitely on the cards
03:19 robin      Wish I had a car to drive myself up there for it now :)
03:19 jo         we'll have to sort that out my friend...
03:19 jo         plus a distinguisehed guest from our side as well
03:18 chris      bags not being the one picking up taki
03:18 jo         want 2 speakers from our side: you in Te Reo plus Ema calling
03:18 jo         yep
03:18 chris      a full wero?
03:18 robin      which of the attendees gets to use the taiaha? ;)
03:18 jo         have colleges in doing a kapa haka performance
03:17 jo         they are going to give us a taiaha challenge
03:17 jo         Chris: levin trip at KohaCon 2010 just stepped up to a whole nother level
01:44 wajasu     But overall, now the XSLTdetails have filled out as an academic library needs to distinguish editions, content, etc.
01:42 wajasu     maybe some general notes could be shown.  (i.e. as in ISBD view)
01:40 wajasu     260a is missing (i.e. publisher location a.k.a London)
01:39 wajasu     and some 6xx and 8xx fields too.  My librarian will be happier.
01:28 wajasu     ah, and the 505 fields are there now.
01:27 wajasu     I see they got rid of the trailing "/" delimeter for the XSLT results title.  (Ah but its there for the corresponding right to left language title still).  And its there in the XSLT details still.
01:21 wajasu     if not, I'll log a bug for that.  It was there 3 wks ago.
01:20 wajasu     The XSLT is there for it.  But nothing showing.  Maybe a bug was introduced?  If you are running a dev install.  Can someone  pull up any Series item and see the Series text?
01:17 wajasu     And comparing my older version, I see that Series: has no field data showing.  Just the Label for the same reocrd.
01:17 chris      you'd have to ask a cataloguer that ;)
01:15 wajasu     shouldn't the field being shown as   Literary Form: not fiction       be  Literary Form: non fiction?      not vs non
01:14 wajasu     more stuff showing on XSLT details/results.
01:14 wajasu     ok. got my dev install running.
00:19 chris      yeah
00:15 robin      well, I'm under the impression that it is. Lots of high-quality sites (eg. at companies, universities) linking to you is a good thing.
00:14 darling    ah! is that where the ranking is coming from? -- lot's of existing public installations pointing back to poo url
00:12 robin      darling: the best way is to wait until links start to change. Especially if you can get public catalogues to have a link back to it by default.
00:06 munin      Braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (12:00 PM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
00:06 Braedon    @wunder auckland
00:02 darling    or some little phrase like that in the title
00:02 darling    we really need to get koha-community.org higher in the google rank -- maybe we should add "official" or similar in the home page title so it shows in the google results