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22:43 jo tahnsk robin
22:42 munin robin: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 13.5ï¿½C (10:52 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
22:42 robin @wunder levin, nz
22:42 jo so, wunder, are you saying Levin doesn't exist lol
22:42 robin jo: too many @'s
22:42 munin jo: Error: No such location could be found.
22:42 chobbs high is supposed to drop 35 deg F over the next 4 days though...
22:42 jo @wunder @levin, nz
22:41 munin robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0ï¿½C (10:00 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 6.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
22:41 chobbs much!
22:41 robin @wunder wellington, nz
22:41 robin more pleasant:
22:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.9ï¿½C (3:51 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling).
22:41 brendan @wunder 93117
22:41 brendan wow
22:41 jo 41 degrees ... good lord thats hot
22:40 robin they should get some aircon for that school
22:39 munin chobbs: The current temperature in Country Club Elementary School, San Ramon, California is 41.2ï¿½C (3:49 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 10.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM PDT Wednesday...
22:39 chobbs @wunder 94568
22:39 chobbs Man, summer finally arrived in northern California...
22:38 jo cool - thanks Chobbs. (flings a chocolate fish across the etherspace)
22:36 chobbs jo: you can add import to the list - just converted our library and last seen for everything was set to the import date :-)
22:30 jo does anyone know - virtual chocolate fish to the people with answers :)
22:29 jo Question: what 'events' trigger the last seen date to update? Presume it is check in?, check out?, edit item? and therefore batch moficication of items?
21:47 jo Chris:no they didn't. they interviewed Rachel as well. she might know
21:29 chobbs Any idea on rc release date?
21:29 chobbs Hmm. This is where running vmware comes in handy. Tonight I'll snapshot my koha box, install the latest, and see what it's like, then revert to snapshot if I need to.
21:29 chris id wait for the rc i think
21:23 chris thats right
21:20 * chobbs understands that 3.2.0 is basically done, short of an acquisitions problem?
21:20 chobbs How painful an upgrade will it be? We've done our conversio this summer, and I'm doing training on Thursday for the librarians in our system. I'd almost rather pull the trigger now than have to re-train on anything in a few weeks...
21:18 chobbs Sweet :-)
21:18 chris chobbs: its been fixed for 3.2.0
21:16 chobbs Tried this question yesterday, didn't get an answer before I needed to log off, so I'll try again: The docs say "TIP: Marking an item Lost via the edit item page will automatically put a fine on the patron's record for the replacement cost of the item". That's not happening on our system (3.00.05). Any ideas?
21:14 chris jo: did they say when it might be published?
21:14 chris hey russ
21:12 jo went live on 28
21:12 chris ta
21:12 jo 27 may we did the deed
21:11 jo at least it will get koha on the national pages
21:11 chris jo: when did we go live .. may ?
21:11 jo yep.
21:11 chris we'll see :)
21:11 jo anyways ....
21:11 anitsirk chris: yes. it is. :-) quite easy to remember
21:10 jo bloody hope he was
21:10 chris free software is a service industry, nothing communist about it, is my standard response
21:10 jo i think he was laughing
21:10 chris did you say, so plumbers are communists? waiters? barstaff?
21:09 brendan heh - oh boy
21:09 jo and koha in our public libraries
21:09 jo for asking how can we as a country NOT use open source - like the albany high open source model for our schools
21:08 chris by the reporter?
21:08 jo and been accused of being communist!
21:08 chris cool
21:08 brendan hey jo - that's cool
21:08 chris oh yeah?
21:08 jo just been interviewed for NZ herald about koha
20:57 chris hey look its backwards kristina :)
20:39 jcamins Have a good night, #koha
20:39 jcamins And it is my cue to leave.
20:34 chris back
20:27 jcamins (on the OPAC)
20:27 jcamins Has the location in item listings always linked back to the library's website?
20:19 jcamins Overcast? That's it. Huh. I guess it's nicer out than it looks.
20:19 richard hi
20:19 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 21.3ï¿½C (4:25 PM EDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 16.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
20:19 jcamins @wunder 11105
20:17 wizzyrea almost as perfect as california.
20:16 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 25.4ï¿½C (3:27 PM CDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 17.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
20:16 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
20:16 wizzyrea it's perfect here today
20:16 chris Ok my stop, back after a coffee
20:14 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0ï¿½C (8:00 AM NZST on August 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 4.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:14 chris @wunder wellington,nz
20:14 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.9ï¿½C (1:21 PM PDT on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling).
20:14 brendan @wunder 93117
20:11 * chris is lazy
20:09 chris *nod*
20:09 wajasu you are right. I'll do a dev install. then just do git pull to update.
20:07 chris And do packages for production
20:07 chris Ur life will be much easier and will make sending patches easier if you run a testing/dev install from a git clone (dev not standard)
20:06 wajasu nice to see that dom is the default now instead of grs1
20:04 wajasu that way I can confirm the latest code has a bug. (i.e. I'm running 3wks old beta, and XSLT opacdetails doesn't show Series: ) I want to confirm.
20:03 sekjal harmony's a good thing, right?
20:03 sekjal it's okay, I just opened the Eye of Harmony
20:01 wizzyrea j/k
20:01 wizzyrea omg sekjal... what did you DO
20:01 * wizzyrea hears the tardis sound emanating from her computer
20:01 wizzyrea hehehehehe sekjal
20:01 chris Change the framework wiz?
20:01 sekjal I'd love to run the command "make manifest TARDIS", and have it work
19:59 chris make manifest tardist
19:59 wizzyrea and puts the useful information by the scroll
19:59 chris And instead of make install
19:59 wizzyrea where idiotic = shows totally pointless marc fields first
19:59 chris run the makefile.pl
19:58 wizzyrea because in my current state, typing "idiotic add items table" doesn't bring back any bugs :P
19:58 wizzyrea is there a proper bug for the (ahem) idiotic add items table?
19:57 wajasu my other option is to clone the lxc container i'm running in, and just do a dev install.
19:56 wajasu that starts an interactive install [single/dev]
19:56 wajasu perl Makefile.PL manifest tardist then?
19:55 chris Yeah that's it
19:55 wajasu i see a line in Makefile.PL Makefile.PL: make manifest tardist
19:55 chris (On the bus)
19:55 chris When I get to work ill find it
19:54 chris there's a script that does it
19:54 wajasu my distributions package building script works from a tar (i.e the beta's) and I want to be able to test/install easily.
19:54 chris Nope
19:53 wajasu from a koha clone, how does one make a release tar (just tar cvf koha_ver.tar kohaclone/*) ?
19:51 wizzyrea pft
19:51 chris :)
19:51 chris Usually its wrong
19:50 wizzyrea chris always a fount of information
19:50 chris So it was most likely barfing on that
19:50 chris So if the index fails live still works
19:50 chris We build the shadow first then replace the live with it
19:49 chris Cos 7g was probably enough
19:49 chris It was probably that causing the error
19:47 chris Just for the record
19:47 chris You do need to change the shadow
19:38 wizzyrea bye
19:38 briceSanc bye (i need to go)
19:37 briceSanc thanks
19:37 briceSanc ok
19:37 wizzyrea but duly noted
19:37 wizzyrea things normally go better with more memory, just in general
19:36 jcamins wizzyrea: ^^
19:36 jcamins briceSanc: it looks like indexing will go faster if you increase memMax.
19:35 briceSanc see u later!
19:35 briceSanc thanks for your answers
19:35 briceSanc i try this
19:35 briceSanc ok
19:34 jcamins I guess I don't know if it's actually necessary.
19:33 jcamins At least, that's what we did.
19:33 jcamins Change that to the same as the other one.
19:33 jcamins http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/zebra-cfg.html
19:33 briceSanc and i don't change shadow:1G ?
19:33 briceSanc ok
19:33 wizzyrea no, I didn't change mine, it's still 50M
19:32 jcamins On the other hand, if you have lots of memory on your server, what's the disadvantage?
19:32 * wizzyrea goes to look
19:32 wizzyrea I don't believe I had to change mine
19:32 jcamins I don't think we changed that.
19:32 jcamins wizzyrea: ?
19:32 briceSanc Do i need to change memMax:50M ?
19:30 jcamins It must be nice, to be at a library which has subscriptions to authority data.
19:30 wizzyrea (for my test server)
19:30 wizzyrea I have 340k, and I use 16g
19:29 briceSanc i try
19:29 jcamins Or 20G.
19:29 briceSanc ok
19:29 jcamins Okay, change 7G to 16G
19:29 briceSanc i already change 4G to 7G
19:29 jcamins (it's at the end of two lines, I don't remember which two)
19:29 wizzyrea what he said
19:29 wizzyrea ^^
19:29 jcamins change where it says :4G to :16G
19:28 jcamins Yes, that's the file you need to edit.
19:28 briceSanc i don't find the zebra.cfg file but i found zebra-authorities.cfg
19:27 briceSanc i've a problem, i want to index 100K auths in zebra, but i have the error :Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg
19:13 jcamins Figures that my conference in LA is Nov. 18-21.
19:11 wizzyrea jcamins: the exchange rate is pretty good atm >.>
19:10 jcamins Well, I'll think about it wistfully for a few days.
19:10 jcamins ::sigh:: I really still can't afford it.
19:10 cfouts chris: sure, but it's a matter of degree. I'm sure there's *some* degree of overhead saved, but when you're comparing the expense of that to writing and maintaining yet-another-daemon-which-listens-to-remote-commands, I'm not sure how well it measures
19:10 chris cfouts: im guessing slef was talking about licensing
19:08 cfouts slef: I used to service 40k customer email boxes with qmail. it worked quite nicely, actually.
19:07 chris k bbiab
19:06 chris jcamins: http://thelibrary.co.nz/ <-- is one of our sponsors now
19:05 chris i do what i can!
19:05 wizzyrea it's not too late!
19:05 chris lol
19:05 jcamins chris: Argh! And I had finally made peace with not going!
19:05 chris i do quite like the inotify idea tho
19:04 chris slef: anywhere except christchurch will be expensive
19:04 chris cfouts: its gotta be higher overhead than a long running process :)
19:04 slef biab, sorry, dinner calls
19:04 slef chris: oic. Wellington - something on the south island
19:04 chris slef: i meant the internal ones :)
19:03 slef chris: London-Auckland
19:03 cfouts chris: that hasn't been my experience. that part is actually pretty low overhead, particularly when a human is staring at a web browser waiting for it to happen.
19:03 slef chris: speaking of bookings, Oct 28 seems to be double-booked on www.kohacon10.org.nz
19:03 chris flights from where?
19:03 chris sweet slef :)
19:02 slef Not that much better for UK than I got, actually. :-)
19:02 chris the problem i can see with the daemontools is it has the overhead of starting perl, making db connection, etc each time, which is a significant performance hit
19:00 chris gotta be us
19:00 slef whose dollars are they in?
19:00 * wizzyrea is totally booked for the trip, save the car, which may be optional anyway
19:00 wizzyrea aww, that's a good deal. Oh well
19:00 slef looked at internal flight prices today. Ouch.
19:00 slef chris: too late, already booked
19:00 slef Dan Bernstein's tools generally should be avoided IMO. qmail is a pain that shouldn't be repeated.
18:59 chris quick!!
18:59 chris http://www.airnewzealand.com/airfares-and-deals
18:35 cfouts can have a time-based trigger spawned by cron, then also have whatever other tools trigger a rebuild based on whatever criteria
18:34 cfouts requires no modifications to rebuild_zebra.pl
18:34 cfouts tcohen: the way we handle servicing both real-time and on-request updates is to use Dan Berstein's daemontools package to trigger and accept index update requests
17:42 sekjal tcohen: regardless of the outcome of cronjob vs. daemon, I appreciate having access to the various functions. I think what you've done opens up more options for us
17:41 tcohen whenever you want!
17:41 tcohen i'm willing to discuss them
17:41 tcohen hi, if anyone has seen my recent patches
17:09 collum np. I wasn't as confused this time.
17:09 hdl sorry, end of a day
17:08 hdl I think so.
17:08 hdl omg...
17:08 collum hdl: Are you getting me and collin mixed up again? :)
17:04 hdl collum: if you can test the patch I sent today, i would be gratefull.
17:03 Braedon hmm, ok. thanks collum
17:01 collum Braedon: http://www.yale.edu/bass/writing/sources/kinds/miscellaneous/unpublished.html
16:52 Braedon slef: thanks for the link - may be able to get something out of it
16:50 collum Braedon: worked for me in explorer, not FF, or chrome.
16:50 jcamins Braedon: reference it as an unpublished manuscript, if you can't find anything else to use instead.
16:50 slef Braedon: I don't know if that's any help.
16:49 slef jcamins: I think scribd gets upset if it gets told it can't have scripts and cookies.
16:49 slef Braedon: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/researchinfrastructure-sustainability.xml
16:49 jcamins The link worked for me.
16:48 Braedon either that or my sleep deprivation is really getting to me
16:48 Braedon haha, i'm going to go with broken
16:47 slef Why does Braedon need to reference "1 Rule to a Flat Stomach: Obey"? Or is scribd broken for me again? ;-)
16:47 Braedon slef: it is 5am in New Zealand if that helps
16:47 Braedon there seems to be a almost complete lack of reference-able information on sustainable software development. it is very frustraiting. I have found 1 book, with no electronic copy, and that paper, which is written by a student and not published.
16:46 slef any kohacon10 organisers awake? I'm confused again :-(
16:45 Braedon i hope so. I am looking kinda doomed at the moment :P
16:45 jcamins Braedon: you're probably on the right kind of channel.
16:44 Braedon Of course that would normally mean that i shouldn't and wouldn't reference it, but as i am writing a paper set 15 years in the future(don't ask), relevant resources are extremely hard to come by.
16:44 Braedon I really need to reference this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/5507536/Sustainable-Software-Engineering But it doesn't seem to be published anywhere.
16:44 Braedon on a totally unrelated and offtopic note, anyone here happen to be a referencing wizard?
16:40 wizzyrea totally not
16:40 wizzyrea j/k
16:40 wizzyrea oh yea that was me >.>
16:36 jcamins See, one of you should have taken credit for it. I wouldn't have known. ;)
16:36 wizzyrea has made my epic jquery sojourns of late bearable
16:35 wizzyrea i love that in chrome
16:35 Braedon and yes, yes it is :P
16:35 Braedon took me a day to realise it was firefox doing it, not some javascript magic
16:35 Braedon I use the firefox dailys, and a while ago i was like wow, gmail implemented resizing text boxes, awesome.
16:35 jcamins Well, whatever the reason, resizing text boxes is really cool.
16:34 jcamins I guess that might be it.
16:34 Braedon ahh, ok
16:34 jcamins I'm on Chrome.
16:34 jcamins Oh. I don't know.
16:34 Braedon sorry
16:33 Braedon o, wait. apparently 30 minutes has past since you sent the message i was replying to... damn you empathy with your random quits
16:32 Braedon jcamins: actually, due to Koha? or are you using the firefox beta?
15:57 jcamins Oh wow! You can resize text boxes in the Add MARC window.
15:46 jcamins "Can you believe he did THAT?!? HAhahahahaha!"
15:45 jcamins It could be shelved in the geek humor section.
15:45 wizzyrea though I'm getting better I think
15:45 wizzyrea ^^ me too
15:45 jcamins I could probably write "how not to use git."
15:43 gmcharlt with lots of help - ideally Linus would right it, then have an editor to translate to remove the "Git-qua-Linus" aspects of the text
15:43 wizzyrea those guys might be able to write it
15:43 wizzyrea or gmcharlt...
15:43 wizzyrea now Chris...
15:42 * jcamins looks very sad, like the cat in Shrek
15:42 wizzyrea that would be a mistake of epic proportions
15:42 wizzyrea no no no no no
15:42 wizzyrea noooo
15:42 * jcamins nominates wizzyrea for writing that book
15:41 * wizzyrea wonders if anyone has ever written a book titled "using git properly"
15:34 jcamins (once I submit those patches, which is prolblematic because they predate my understanding how to use git properly)
15:33 jcamins Heh. I have a couple of patches for MARC21 COiNS support that I need to resubmit, but one could build on your patch to support fine-grained link resolving with COiNS.
15:32 jwagner Now if I could get time to work on some of the _other_ patches on my list....
15:32 jwagner Yes, we finally got mail working on my dev server & I got around to resending it.
15:31 jcamins jwagner: I just saw your SFX patch.
15:28 aarkerio I don't understand, why I am searching?
15:23 wajasu yes. cataloguing. you add a biblio ( search via z3950 server ), and add an item(i.e. book) for that biblio.
15:13 aarkerio Cataloging ?
15:13 aarkerio hi! buenos dï¿½as, in what menu is the option to add my first book?
14:57 wajasu if i can add a "custommade" theme that has a different JPG/GIF, then can I also add a different XSLTtemplate.
14:55 wajasu i wanted to learn what the idea of a "theme" is, and what it can do for me.
14:55 wajasu i guess i'll try extending the latest XSLT now, and if I'm successful, I'll look into how to make it pluggable. maybe some more logic in how the template is selected.
14:54 jwagner wajasu, I've been wanting to have local XSLT stylesheets for a while. BibLibre was working on something that was supposed to allow for it.
14:52 wajasu but then I would want to be able to configure the available views "Normal, MARC, ... Academic", with Academic being my default for my library.
14:51 wajasu so when updates/release show up, the override "may" work. that way i can manage customizations in the OS package manager.
14:51 jcamins I don't know how to do that, but I would *love* to have that ability.
14:49 wajasu lets say i spent time doing such a thing, which I assume is a common request, I'd like to have a clean way to configure and override the existing perl/XSLT files without touching the original in the distribution.
14:46 wajasu ok. thats what i wanted to confirm. and the XSLT outputs HTML and CSS is used for presentation.
14:46 jcamins Possibly excepting the items... perhaps someone else knows that for sure?
14:45 jcamins The XSLT works with the entire MARCXML record.
14:44 wajasu yeah. i wondered if the whole markxml record from the DB is the input to the XSLT stylesheet, and i would be working against that. Or would I need to inject in perl code other XML from database fields.
14:43 jcamins (the first "they" being tags, the second librarians)
14:42 jcamins Oh, so it's not that they're missing, it's that they want a different format.
14:40 wajasu my librarian wants: http://pastebin.com/VFFCAd8k
14:35 wajasu i need to add 10+ marc fields to my biblio details that are "missing" as my librarian cries. let me find an email request I got.
14:33 jcamins What tags do you need to add to the OPAC?
14:31 wajasu thats what i use.
14:31 jcamins wajasu: vim. ;)
14:30 wajasu did you all use an XSLT editor? if so, which one?
14:29 wajasu yeah. then I can build koha as a distribution package, then my customization would be an optional dependency to install.
14:29 briceSanc it could be a good feature for Koha 3.6
14:28 wizzyrea i love the idea of extensions in koha
14:28 sekjal alright, #koha, got a meeting; be back in a bit
14:26 jcamins wajasu: I don't think so, but that's an awesome idea.
14:25 briceSanc what do you thnk about an extension manager in Koha (like TYPO3)?
14:25 wajasu does the theme support allow me to grab an existing XSLT, copying it to a new "templatedirectory" and it will override the default XSLT, still using all the other stuff as is.
14:24 jcamins wajasu: yeah, it requires some adjustments, but you have everything available, and customization is easier.
14:22 wajasu i keep wanting to write procedural code and have to think XSLT.
14:22 wajasu i could go there. i looked into it. (i.e. removed trailing slash in titles). Is the whole MARCXML record present and we just pick what we would like to show.
14:21 jcamins (answering off-channel)
14:20 libtek jcamins: what prompted you to move to 3rd party support?
14:19 jcamins wajasu: we found working with the XSLT much easier.
14:19 sekjal hi briceSanc
14:18 briceSanc hi sekjal !
14:18 wajasu looking into how to customize the OPAC details biblio display for an academic library so that various MARC xxx fields are shown. It looks like each new field needs to be "made available" for the HTML::Template, as well as the template updated accordingly.
14:18 sekjal jcamins: thanks, we love working with you, too.
14:17 jcamins Suffice it to say, we love working with ByWater.
14:17 jcamins libtek: we did it briefly.
14:16 libtek Good morning. I was wondering if anyone here is running Koha for their library independantly without 3rd party support. In other words, is anyone here doing their own support?
14:12 briceSanc do you know how can i log the response of a SQL import in a koha script ?
14:11 briceSanc hi koha
14:11 jcamins kf: Yeah, that's on our regular web server.
14:10 kf jcamins: it took a long time to load the book plate for me
14:10 wizzyrea yea
14:10 sekjal and could be problematic for long titles
14:10 sekjal it would be even better if we could use the title instead of 'no image found', but that would involve more than just CSS
14:08 wizzyrea hehe I can see you've thought a lot about that
14:08 sekjal perhaps in some kind of gold-leaf like color and weight
14:08 wizzyrea Ooh. That is a good idea
14:08 sekjal wizzyrea: you could maybe get some generic bound-book cover (in maroon or blue or green or whatever), and then adjust the "no image found" text to look like a title printed on that cover
14:07 jwagner It does look very nice indeed
14:07 jcamins Thanks.
14:06 wizzyrea but that really does look faboo
14:06 wizzyrea cool beans
14:06 jcamins It looks like Koha provides the "no cover image available" text, so I don't think we're obscuring anything provided by Amazon.
14:05 wizzyrea wish I had a logo that looked that awesome as a bookplate.
14:05 jcamins Hm, yeah, I guess we should probably check.
14:05 wizzyrea :D
14:05 wizzyrea :)
14:05 wizzyrea but it looks fabulous
14:04 wizzyrea just to be sure, you may want to make super double sure that doing that is ok under amazon's terms of service. I can't imagine that it's not, but corporations are weird.
14:04 jcamins Right.
14:04 wizzyrea that bookplate covers up the amazon image not found?
14:03 wizzyrea oh that's very nice
14:03 jcamins wizzyrea: I have eagerly been awaiting someone asking that.
14:03 jcamins http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?do=Search&limit-yr=2000-&limit=mc-itemtype:BK&sort_by=relevance
14:03 wizzyrea link or it didn't happen ;)
14:02 jcamins Our logo is a bit bold, but I think it probably looks better than "No cover image available."
13:57 jcamins And I used brendan's CSS snippet to put in a bookplate instead of "cover not found."
13:55 jcamins :)
13:55 jcamins It turns out the covers are working fine.
13:55 jcamins That would have made sense. I tried searching for only books from 2000 or later, and just paging through the results until I found something.
13:54 kf jcamind: I ended up importing some records where I knew there was a cover
13:47 jcamins Testing Amazon covers is really hard with a collection full of weird books that Amazon doesn't sell.
13:42 jwagner jcamins, you're welcome
13:33 jcamins jwagner: Thanks for the jQuery snippet a few weeks ago. I was able to figure out how to add a custom bookplate on opac-details using jQuery yesterday. :)
13:06 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.
13:06 jwagner @later tell reva Sorry I had to leave in a hurry last night. I tested your situation on a current head server, and it also does not read the 852 i to build the item call number. As I suggested last night, this would seem to be a Koha bug and not related to the version being run on our demo site. You should probably open a bugzilla report on the problem.
13:02 hilongo ok hdl ... I wish you very good luck with that :)
13:00 hdl I have to work on rebase.
13:00 hilongo Good morning jcamins
13:00 jcamins Good morning.
12:59 hilongo any idea about when / if these changes will get into 3.2??
12:59 hilongo great .. that sounds good for us :)
12:57 hdl hilongo : we changed the yes/no flag to be a date
12:57 hdl you can test that on git.biblibre.com:koha_biblibre.git
12:57 hilongo but I thought debarred was a yes/no flag
12:55 hilongo aah .. I see
12:55 hdl and using that date to check whether it is over or still active
12:55 hdl No, it is juste updating debarred as a date
12:54 hilongo so ... how does it work? ... you run fines.pl nightly and the days amount gets in the patron's account?
12:53 hilongo I see...
12:52 hdl But I have to rebase on 3.2
12:52 hdl we have done work on that on our master branch.
12:50 hilongo I am testing 3.2 but I can't get fine days to work
12:49 hilongo hello hdl :)
12:48 hdl hilongo : I have
12:48 hilongo anyone who's working with fine days?
12:46 hilongo I put the Koha_DEBUG to 1 and I've found that the insertions fail because a duplicated entry '1'
12:44 hilongo *but* after I run fines.pl ... nothing gets into the fines account of the users with overdue books :(
12:43 hilongo I am trying 3.2 and have set up circ rules to use days suspension and not maney fines
12:43 hilongo A quick question about fines ...
12:35 slef not perfect but OK
12:35 slef hdl: alternative, use ssh -L 6667:irc.katipo.co.nz:6667 someserver.biblibre.com and connect to localhost as IRC server, bouncing off of a biblibre server IP ;-)
12:34 slef (does this server support ipv6?)
12:34 slef hdl: can you switch to ipv6 and get more IPs? ;-)
12:31 hilongo Hello #koha :)
12:26 hdl because we are quite a number of folks using the same ip
12:25 hdl looks like the irc server is refusing me access
12:25 hdl using mibbit to connect
12:24 kf not being able to login to #koha
12:24 laurenthd which one ?
12:24 kf have you found the problem?
12:24 kf hi hdl
12:23 laurenthd hi
12:19 collum Thanks. I changed it anyway.
12:19 magnus collum: we won't tell anyone... ;-)
12:17 collum oops - time to change that password :)
12:15 paul_p 'morning gmcharlt
12:14 kf hi gmcharlt :)
12:13 collum tr@v@n40
12:11 gmcharlt paul_p: si would be a better bet - can he reach any channel on irc.katipo.co.nz ?
12:02 paul_p kf, I don't think so because i'm 1m far from hdl
12:01 kf paul_p: I tried google on the error message, but not sure where the problem is, perhaps it's a problem with biblibre-breteuil.pck.nerim.net?
11:59 kf :(
11:59 paul_p strange... everyone except me has left the channel, and hdl still can't connect :(
11:58 kf chris: still around?
11:58 kf paul_p; I am not sure what I can do
11:57 kf it started with a meeting that was so long, it was too late for cafeteria
11:56 paul_p so mtg means lunch for you ? I like your meetings, feel free to invite me any time :D
11:56 kf came back from lunch 5 minutes ago
11:56 paul_p hdl can't reach us, he get a : Closing Link: biblibre-breteuil.pck.nerim.net (Too many host connections (local))
11:56 kf_mtg here
11:55 paul_p any sysop around ? chris / chris_n, gmcharlt, kf_mtg wizzyrea ?
11:47 indradg hi #koha
10:58 * magnus goes in search of some much needed lunch
10:55 chris ill have to ask at work tomorrow
10:54 chris im sure that wouldnt stop the dorklanders :)
10:54 chris hehe could be
10:54 magnus perhaps because you live in wellington and people don't use the funny names to your face? ;-)
10:53 chris apart from windy wellington
10:53 chris not really, not that i know of
10:53 magnus any names for wellington? ;
10:52 magnus ;-)
10:52 chris or dorkland
10:52 magnus nice to know
10:51 chris so if you hear people talking about bucklame .. they mean auckland :)
10:51 chris http://revealingerrors.com/bucklame
10:50 magnus http://koha-community.org/kohacon2010-roadtrip/
10:50 chris yeah that makes sense
10:50 magnus i think that is one night in auckland, and one on the road
10:49 chris sweet
10:49 magnus yup, we get to Wellington sunday, as far as i can tell
10:49 chris :)
10:49 slef figure it out from that :)
10:49 slef Well, the road trip refers to "2 nights accommodation"
10:48 chris magnus: you are doing the roadtrip too eh?
10:48 slef damn, this isn't clear... and S has the itinerary with her
10:48 chris hmm, the monday is the first day of conference, so i hope sunday :)
10:48 slef or maybe it's the Sunday
10:48 chris http://openlibrary.org/developers/api
10:47 slef I think it gets in on the Monday
10:47 chris yeah open library are pretty good about that, and getting better
10:47 slef chris: I forget where to find out :) let me check
10:46 slef There are all these "open <somethign>" projects but few seem to have "HOWTO use this in your other open library software" guides.
10:46 chris the road trip gets into wellington on the 24th right?
10:45 chris magnus: yeah that should be a good presentation, we are working on some thigns to show off
10:44 slef cool, thanks
10:44 slef hehe
10:44 chris i changed it to <p>
10:43 magnus "Open Library & Koha Sitting In A Tree"? sounds intriguing...
10:43 slef eww, it's all <br />s - rather you than me and don't let Stuart Yeates find out ;-)
10:42 slef chris: link great, break ok - no space between paragraphs on that page?
10:40 chris slef: hows that?
10:40 magnus cool!
10:38 chris yup
10:37 magnus chris: am i right in thinking that hdl's patch is a partial fix for the acq blocker?
10:37 slef ta
10:37 chris 2 secs
10:37 chris yup
10:36 slef chris: Thanks. Any chance of </p><p> before "His key" and <a href="http://www.software.coop/">software.coop</a> ?
10:31 chris slef: http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/bio.html#mj
10:26 chris hdl++
10:02 chris heh yeah that'd do it
09:59 wajasu i think i found out why my git clone was hanging. i changed my MTU from 576 and now I get 10x the network bandwidth. Sheesh. And the git clone works and is fast.
09:13 chris cool thanks
09:13 chris ahh i emailed first, i think she sent reminders out
09:13 slef I thought it was Kristina who emailed me. I'll resend and cc you.
09:13 chris not that i got
09:12 slef chris: didn't I already do that?
09:07 chris slef: did you want to send a bio and/or a photo for http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/bio.html ?
08:47 magnus slef: looks like we will steer clear, fingers crossed: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nordland/Bod%C3%B8/L%C3%B8psmarka/long.html
08:46 magnus slef: you can keep them if you want
08:46 slef magnus: mine are heading your way :P
08:45 chris hi paul_p
08:45 kf ok, meeting, bbl
08:45 kf :)
08:44 magnus not a cloud in sight here...
08:44 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0ï¿½C (10:20 AM CEST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
08:44 magnus @wunder bodo
08:44 magnus hi paul_p
08:43 kf hi paul_p
08:43 paul_p hi chris & kf & slef & magnus & al
08:40 chris but it might help galen figure out a way round
08:39 kf chris: ok
08:38 chris kf: not easily
08:38 kf but still annoying, we have a lot of rain this year
08:38 kf ok, it's better here
08:37 slef The rain showers here would be more accurately described as "hammering" or "torrential"
08:37 kf warmer here, but we share the rain showers
08:36 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.4ï¿½C (10:46 AM CEST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 19.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
08:36 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:36 slef Light??? Would someone mind telling the world to obey the reports?
08:36 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 14.1ï¿½C (9:45 AM BST on August 24, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady).
08:36 slef @wunder weston-super-mare
08:34 kf i saw that u used a file for export and import - can this work for the web installer too?
08:33 kf yep, read it
08:32 chris kf: i updated the bug with some more info about how i worked around it for hlt
08:32 chris kf: yes
07:59 * magnus goes to read the log
07:59 slef biab
07:59 slef too slow :-/
07:58 slef oops
07:58 slef ghi: check your system preferences, then check the ldap server logs to see if it disagreed with koha, but there's too many possibilities.
07:54 ghi kf: thank you
07:54 kf chris: saw your exchange with galen in the logs - is acq upgrade the only blocker for release right now?
07:52 kf ghi: sorry, I have no experience with ldap. probably better try the mailing lists, bigger audience there
07:52 kf hi chris
07:45 magnus evening, chris
07:41 chris Evening
07:36 ghi koha can use ldap authentication and in my organization ICT department uses ldap and i tried to configure in koha-conf.xml,but when i go to patrons, it says there is no result and the error log also didn't display any error!
07:27 magnus :-)
07:27 slef magnus: well, it's the soonest I'm here since he asked :-)
07:26 magnus slef: probably a bit early/late for owen?
07:22 slef owen: what did you want? :-)
07:17 magnus Guten Morgen, kf
07:17 kf morning magnus
05:38 kf hi hdl
05:37 hdl hi kf
05:35 kf good morning #koha
05:03 hdl hi
03:18 chris hi amit
03:13 brendan heya amit
03:12 Amit heya chris, brendan
03:08 robin oops
03:07 wasabi and i think ive just accidentally kicked-off a re-sync... :/
03:02 wasabi then attempt the mirror re-sync
03:02 robin But my backup disks had fallen over (literally) two days previous, so I had no backups any more - needed to recover it.
03:02 wizzyrea_ people often underestimate the common nature of electrical failure
03:01 robin only worked because it was electrical rather than hardware failure.
03:01 wizzyrea_ ooh, that's a good trick
03:01 wasabi im gonna have to usb-mount a linux , then ntfs-mount the 2nd disk to salvage...
03:01 robin In my case, I swapped the controller board with one from a matching good drive.
03:01 robin yeah, that's a common emergency treatment.
03:00 wizzyrea_ ended up getting their stuff back by putting the drive in a ziplock bag, sucking all the air out, freezing it overnight, then pulling the dissertation off in the 10 minutes the drive worked before it died for good
03:00 robin wasabi: _many_ failure modes :)
03:00 robin wizzyrea_: I think that if they only have one copy, they deserve to re-write it.
02:59 wasabi nope, it partically boots of the 2nd disk, but then BSODs
02:59 wizzyrea_ I had a totally dead one a few years ago that had a PHD student's only copy of their dissertation on it
02:58 robin I had a 250GB that started reporting as 8MB
02:58 robin yeah, there's many different failure modes for harddrives.
02:58 wizzyrea_ yea, it may be time for a freezer treatment
02:58 wasabi but the disk is detected, etc..
02:57 robin maybe the disk has failed hard?
02:57 wasabi yeah, i cant currently 'see' the D; drive...
02:56 robin that's not a risk, that's certain
02:56 wasabi ie: all the important files
02:55 wasabi if i *fix* the 2nd disk, by re-sync-ing the mirror, i risk blowing away whats currently on it?
02:54 wizzyrea_ !
02:53 wasabi its the data-dump, that has all the important files on....
02:53 wasabi at some stage the mirroring of the 2nd disk got stopped, and then used as a data-dump
02:51 wasabi the server has 2 identilcal disks, mirrored..
02:51 wasabi hows this for a fail....
02:51 wizzyrea_ that's a terrible nightmare :P
02:26 chris heh
02:26 chris_n so now one tape out of 12 is stamped with a date eight years previous to the rest :-P
02:25 chris_n and then the nightly backups ran
02:25 * chris_n had the nightmare of a *nix box's li-ion battery go bad and the time got reset to 8 years ago....
02:22 chris :)
02:21 * chris_n`` agrees with chris's assessment of win32 support
02:08 wasabi im a nice guy, and they are in a pickle... thats as far as my windows anything goes
02:05 chris hehe
02:05 richard and it isn't healthy
02:05 * richard is learning a lot about windows
02:05 richard it sure does. especially when you don't even do linuz support
02:04 chris srsly though, you dont want to get trapped doing windows support, down that road lies madness
02:04 chris wine :)
02:03 wasabi they also run a few win32 apps on it too, so its a bit trickier
02:01 chris you shoulda just put linux on there theres that theme that looks like windows... and with sambafs .. theyd never know ;-)
02:00 wasabi im now getting the friendly windows-popup reminder, that my new server is about to disable itself in 3 days time
01:59 chris classy
01:58 wasabi mobo died in the weekend, no external backups, etc
01:57 wasabi its a 2-year-old nightmare, thats finally happened...
01:56 chris eeewww
01:56 * wasabi rebuilds a scis-disked win2003 sever at AFW, today :/