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23:55 robin (if you get an error it's not installed. If it just sits there its OK and you can ctrl-C out)
23:54 robin that'll tell you for sure
23:54 robin wajasu: $ perl -MData::ICal
23:50 wajasu i've compiled a distribution package for Date::Ical just as for many other perl modules, but after my distribution install, the koha_perl_deps.pl reports its not installed. Hmmm.
23:44 wajasu maybe we need the all black koha edition
23:20 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/4044164/Air-NZs-All-Black-safety-briefing
23:00 robin that doesn't tell you the wind, which isn't so bad today but is usually quite relevant.
22:58 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on August 20, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
22:58 brendan @wunder wellington, nz
22:58 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (4:02 PM PDT on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Falling).
22:58 brendan @wunder 93117
22:49 rhcl like this: <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0006010"
22:49 rhcl Yea, but that's like doing the easy sudoku's--the hard sudoku's are like doing the work yourself, and looking at the code, and are much more rewarding.
22:48 wasabi yep, but google does
22:47 wasabi and it often returns surprising results, like this one :)
22:47 rhcl Yea, frankly I don't peruse the world's library catalogs doing searches to see which ones run Koha.
22:46 wasabi i think chris has a daily automated 'koha' google-search running.
22:45 rhcl harumph
22:43 wasabi http://bpraopac.puntobiblio.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=love
22:43 wasabi rhcl: yes, their URL ;)
22:40 rhcl but chris, was there something more obvious to you that indicated they were using koha?
22:40 rhcl OK, I looked up an item in the catalog and then looked at the source code for that page, and saw it was using Koha.
22:39 rhcl "chris> oh, i hadnt seen this before http://bpraweb.puntobiblio.com/"
22:32 wajasu ok. i set my LC_???? environ vars correctly now for my lxc-container. just need to config mysql apache, then run the webinstaller.
22:20 wajasu as its not mentioned in INSTALL.debian
22:20 wajasu no LC_???? thing needs locale set to UTF-8 now?
22:20 chris cool
22:19 wajasu ok. i'll write bug. maybe a patch when I have time.
22:19 chris cool
22:19 wajasu i'm also installing into an lxc-container, so my distribution is minimal. then I can run a script to build koha lxc-containers and run/test installs
22:19 chris if not, then report a bug (cos it will scroll out of my scroll buffer here, and never get fixed otherwise)
22:18 chris if you have time, you could clone the repo, and send a patch fixing those links
22:18 chris right
22:17 wajasu i grabbed the beta
22:16 chris are you installing from git?
22:13 wajasu no more wiki.koha.org ak.a. http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=encodingscratchpad (INSTALL.ubuntu and INSTALL.fedora7 refer to this for an install)
21:48 wajasu ahhh
21:48 chris no, because that script is deprecated
21:48 wajasu Unix::Syslog is used by zebraqueue_daemon.pl Maybe that should be a perl required module?
21:36 wajasu though i've installed Date:ICal the koha_perl_deps.pl -m still shows it as missing. Also that HTTP::OAI has a dependency on XML::SAX::Base that conflict with the earlier installed Sax parser. I've just comment out the HTTP::OAI from the makefile.
21:31 chris wasaju: cool
21:30 chris oh, i hadnt seen this before http://bpraweb.puntobiblio.com/
21:29 wajasu it seems Time::localtime is builtin core
21:29 wajasu i'm progressing through installing perl module prerequisites for 3.2beta on archlinux but with perl5.12.
21:19 munin druthb: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 12:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
21:19 druthb @quote random
21:18 munin chris: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 11:05 PM, May 30, 2009)
21:18 chris @quote random
21:18 chris oh yeah that was the bacon day
21:17 munin wizzyrea: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 05:37 PM, July 17, 2009)
21:17 wizzyrea @quote random
21:15 cait good night all
20:43 munin chris: There are 83 quotes in my database.
20:43 chris @quote stats
20:41 munin druthb: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 03:50 PM, January 28, 2010)
20:41 druthb @quote random
20:41 chris yeah that would be good owen
20:36 * owen is still waiting for someone to hook munin's quote database to Bugzilla's quips list
20:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.8�C (1:42 PM PDT on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling).
20:34 brendan @wunder 93117
20:34 jcamins Have a good night, everyone.
20:34 wizzyrea hehe
20:33 munin wizzyrea: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009)
20:33 wizzyrea @quote random
20:33 munin wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #90 in my database for #koha.
20:33 wizzyrea @quote get 90
20:33 wizzyrea there we go.
20:33 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #91 added.
20:33 wizzyrea @quote add <chris> "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded."
20:33 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:33 wizzyrea @quote remove 90
20:32 wizzyrea woot
20:32 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #90 added.
20:32 wizzyrea @quote add <member:chris> "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded."
20:30 munin wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
20:30 wizzyrea @quote get 23
20:30 munin wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
20:30 wizzyrea @quote add <chris> "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded."
20:30 cait lol
20:29 jcamins chris++
20:29 chris http://www.librarian.net/stax/3297/now-thats-how-you-do-a-foss-press-release/#comment-133362
20:28 chris "Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded."
20:28 chris jcamins: i answered this question already
20:28 chris wizzyrea: pick the one that shows more
20:27 jcamins Thanks.
20:27 chris sorry was my bus stop
20:27 jcamins Apparently puppies win.
20:26 owen jcamins: http://www.googlefight.com/ ?
20:24 jcamins So, the concensus is "no one cares"?
20:24 richard hi
20:20 * cait comes back from washing a mountain of dishes
20:16 * brendan read that too fast :)
20:16 owen Free like a handful of ball bearings
20:15 * brendan lions
20:15 * wizzyrea ducks
20:14 jcamins Important philosophical question for the members of #koha: is open source free like a kitten or free like a puppy?
20:14 wizzyrea (or nearly the same thing)
20:14 wizzyrea chris do you have a feeling about the notices.pl vs. messaging.pl thing we were talking about (that they both show on the member menu, and show the same thing)
20:13 wizzyrea zoom
20:12 * wizzyrea gets whiplash watching larsw come and go
20:12 larsw but I'll shut up now (hit-and-run commenting, that's me)
20:11 larsw if I cared about that, I'd keep the list myself, though, since I get reading materials from so many sources that a library's system would be insufficient
20:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy
20:11 owen (bug 3881)
20:11 jcamins Goodness knows I could never remember everything I've read in the last year.
20:11 wizzyrea which is what it sounds like to them
20:11 owen Maybe someday we'll find that missing opac-privacy page
20:11 wizzyrea we're all like "but the FBI... blah blah... take your records without telling you.... blah blah"
20:11 larsw owen, they can opt-in to do that, that's fine of course
20:11 jcamins I can understand that.
20:10 wizzyrea yea, that's our librarians' big argument for keeping the data
20:10 owen ...because some of them read so much they can't remember
20:10 owen A lot of patrons would like to be able to check to see if they've read something before
20:10 wizzyrea ^^ I don't like that either
20:10 jcamins Amazon keeps track of every page you look at.
20:10 larsw outstanding books, sure, but once a book is returned, the library should forget about it, imho
20:09 wizzyrea ^^ agreed
20:09 larsw me, I think it's creepy if libraries keep track of what patrons read
20:09 * wizzyrea fumes a little.
20:08 wizzyrea which potentially has more relevance than my effing library reading history
20:08 wizzyrea I can't even see my amazon orders that far back
20:08 wizzyrea ago
20:08 wizzyrea I was just thinking about how our librarians consider it a feature that they can tell a patron what book they checked out 3 years ogo
20:08 wizzyrea oh for sure
20:08 owen ...considering what people put on Facebook
20:07 chris The anonymise job does erase the history
20:07 owen I'm sure it's more worrisome to librarians than it is to our users
20:07 wizzyrea lol
20:07 wizzyrea not all of it is attainable.
20:07 wizzyrea I need to fix lots of stuff.
20:07 chris Yeah u need to fix your govt so that's a feature not a bug :)
20:06 wizzyrea hehe
20:06 wizzyrea well they would refer to both as circ history
20:06 owen Our librarians refer to it as "Oh god you mean it remembers everything they've had checked out?!"
20:05 wizzyrea they often refer to "circ history
20:05 wizzyrea when they refer to an item
20:05 wizzyrea I'm trying to think about how our librarians refer to it
20:05 chris I wonder what the en_gb one uses
20:04 chris That's how my librarians like it anyway :)
20:04 chris Wizzyrea: circulation history works for borrowers, issuing history for items
20:03 wizzyrea haha
20:02 chris If its not zo or ze its an s :)
20:01 chris Luckily I can regex those out
20:01 chris And quit it with the z :)
20:01 wizzyrea 3 places, and 3 different names
20:00 wizzyrea well, these 3 places are now all the same
20:00 chris Its re re re translating that gets old
20:00 chris As long as people don't keep changing their minds
19:59 chris Translating works fine
19:59 owen travellling
19:59 wizzyrea travelling
19:59 wizzyrea really, they'd rather be traveling
19:59 cait ;)
19:59 wizzyrea that was very poetic, cait
19:58 * cait imagines books as visitors in the library hotel
19:58 wizzyrea ^^
19:58 owen Chris, when you're release manager you can decree that we change them all back! ;)
19:58 chris Circulation works fine too
19:58 wizzyrea aha, so it should be "Issuing History"
19:58 chris And return
19:58 wizzyrea or "Issue"
19:58 chris Issue
19:57 chris When 2 of the librarians commented
19:57 wizzyrea so does your Check Out tab say "circulate"
19:57 * chris was reminded of this onsite in christchurch yesterday
19:56 chris Checkout is what you do at hotels
19:56 wizzyrea we took a vote earlier >.>
19:56 chris And then I had to translate it to circulation history
19:56 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Notices Tab on Patron Records Showing All Msgs
19:56 owen So *is* Bug 3941 fixed?
19:55 wizzyrea might be nice
19:55 wizzyrea and expands it
19:55 wizzyrea a little of that js trickery that makes a link to "show contents of this notice"
19:55 wizzyrea spose we could improve it
19:54 wizzyrea well that's what I thought
19:54 owen Isn't more information usually better?
19:54 wizzyrea dk what's better, seeing the text of the notice or only being able to say that it was sent
19:53 wizzyrea I had to double check.
19:53 wizzyrea yes
19:53 wizzyrea un moment
19:53 owen hdl's comment "should remove members/notices.pl instead" refers to the more verbose version right?
19:50 wizzyrea :P
19:50 wizzyrea either way, the various names for reading history have all been changed to "checkout history"
19:49 wizzyrea jinx
19:49 wizzyrea so, whoever it was never got back to removing notices.pl
19:49 owen ...but obviously no one went back and actually removed notices.pl
19:49 wizzyrea weird
19:49 owen The commit was reverted, "Should remove members/notices.pl instead"
19:49 cait wizzy: meant bug report, sorry, getting late
19:48 owen "members/notices.pl and members/messaging.pl are doing the same thing"
19:48 owen This is interesting. Git says that at one point someone made a commit to remove one of them
19:45 wizzyrea ok well I"m not going to touch them :P
19:36 cait I think there is bug somewhere
19:36 wizzyrea in the same commit, no less
19:36 cait it's been like that for a long time
19:35 wizzyrea august last year
19:35 wizzyrea ...hdl last touched both tabs
19:33 wizzyrea ah, true
19:33 owen wizzyrea: I'd be curious what git-blame says about those tabs. It might indicate the right hand not knowing what the left is doing
19:33 cait I have to link the fine to the notice (I know, only we want that...) so i like messaging but stilll think the display would look better with a way to see the formatted notice :)
19:32 cait notices are important
19:32 cait our libraries all charge fines
19:32 wizzyrea "uh, what's this about?"
19:32 wizzyrea I think I'll send something to the dev list about it
19:31 wizzyrea it just turns out people really don't like getting email
19:31 wizzyrea yea, not many of our libraries charge fines either
19:31 wizzyrea and if they serve separate purposes
19:31 owen We don't even charge fines and patrons are still irate about it.
19:31 wizzyrea but I'm not sure which
19:31 wizzyrea idk, I'd like to get rid of one of them because they are redundant
19:30 wizzyrea (we have seen that happen when a person returns an item after library hours, then gets the overdue message because their item is in the book drop when the overdues are generated. Boy are they irate.)
19:29 wizzyrea and got a notice anyway
19:29 wizzyrea but you would use it to see what notice they got when they claim to have returned an item
19:29 wizzyrea it's not like you're going to use that to know what they had checked out, that's what checkout history is for
19:28 wizzyrea I like the verbosity of the notices view
19:28 cait ah, now you are confusing me :)
19:28 cait it would be better if there was just another column in link in the messaging view to show the content
19:28 wizzyrea I mean (dangit) the notices view
19:28 owen weird
19:28 wizzyrea I rather like the messaging view
19:27 wizzyrea just one more succinctly than the other
19:27 wizzyrea they appear to
19:27 wizzyrea yea
19:27 wizzyrea I don't have a preference really, I'm just wondering why ^^
19:27 owen So both tabs show basically the same info?
19:27 wizzyrea tis true
19:27 cait and with formatting the table gets too big
19:27 cait witout formatting it's hard to tell which items were in the notice
19:26 wizzyrea I must have been too tired to remember to return the no cry sleep solution lol
19:26 wizzyrea no need to apologize, I was just clarifying
19:26 cait ah sorry, yes
19:25 wizzyrea you mean the content
19:25 cait I would like the text to show in a sepaarate window and formatted
19:25 wizzyrea well, it depends on what you define as better
19:25 cait hm, you are right, but messaging is a bit better to look at
19:24 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/MGIxYmM2OW
19:24 wizzyrea gah
19:24 wizzyrea notices: http://screencast.com/t/ZDhjYjUxNGY
19:24 cait wizzyrea: I am ot sure it shows all
19:23 wizzyrea er, messaging
19:22 wizzyrea notices: http://screencast.com/t/ZDhjYjUxNGY
19:22 * owen saw that bug today but has no notices or messages in his test system
19:21 wizzyrea notices shows everything messaging does, and more
19:20 wizzyrea perhaps we should close that bug, but the original question stands: why both tabs?
19:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Notices Tab on Patron Records Showing All Msgs
19:19 owen Bug 3941
19:19 cait ah cool
19:19 wizzyrea or the active patron
19:19 wizzyrea no, it shows only the ones sent to me
19:19 cait wizzyra: does notices still show all borrower's messages instead only those of the borrower account open?
19:18 wizzyrea ooh! worms!
19:18 * wizzyrea is picking up lots of rocks today
19:18 wizzyrea why do we have both messaging and notices?
19:18 wizzyrea hmm
19:17 owen At one time there were good reasons for having the two includes. I'm not sure if there still are.
19:16 wizzyrea lol
19:16 wizzyrea aside, I also can't read properly
19:16 wizzyrea I thought I was losing my mind
19:16 wizzyrea thank you, whew, that was it
19:16 wizzyrea owen++ I think that's it
19:15 wizzyrea let me look at circ-menu
19:14 ebegin ok, so it's the live dir then ;)
19:14 owen Yeah, circ-menu.inc
19:14 wizzyrea since changes I made to other templates have been reflected
19:14 wizzyrea it's a dev install
19:14 wizzyrea ebegin: also a good idea, i'm pretty sure I'm working in the live dir
19:14 wizzyrea maybe circ-menu?
19:13 ebegin wizzyrea, make sure you are modifying the right version. Installed dir vs source dir (depending of your install type)
19:13 wizzyrea but members-menu.inc is what's being included in the tmpl I'm looking at (readingrec.tmpl)
19:13 wizzyrea patron-search-box, patron-search, patron-toolbar
19:13 wizzyrea no, I don't think there is
19:12 wizzyrea that is a very good point
19:12 * owen is away from his VM
19:12 wizzyrea well
19:12 owen Are you sure there's not also a patrons-menu.inc?
19:12 wizzyrea idk what's left to do
19:12 wizzyrea I've cleared my cache
19:12 wizzyrea it's changed, but it's not reflected
19:11 wizzyrea rather
19:11 wizzyrea or
19:11 wizzyrea I can't change the text from "Circulation history" to Checkout History
19:11 wizzyrea it's in members-menu.inc
19:11 wizzyrea no, it's not the language
19:11 owen It wouldn't happen unless you'd installed translations for testing
19:11 wizzyrea but I don't think so
19:11 wizzyrea well I will double check that
19:10 owen Are you sure you're modifying the right template? You haven't switched languages by mistake have you?
19:10 wizzyrea is there some trick to modifying the template includes? I made a change and it's not being reflected and It's quite flummoxing to me
19:04 jcamins # for pointing out that Koha already provided a solution to my problem
19:04 jcamins ebegin++
19:00 cait hi chris
18:59 wizzyrea mornin
18:59 chris morning
18:46 ebegin HAVING COUNT( biblionumber ) >1
18:46 ebegin GROUP BY itemcallnumber
18:46 ebegin FROM `items`
18:39 ebegin np :)
18:37 jcamins Thanks!
18:37 jcamins ebegin: ooh, I guess I could do that, couldn't I?
18:36 ebegin jcamins, meanwhile, you could create an SQL report stating your duplicate call numbers...
18:34 jcamins It's not a feature so urgent that I'm going to do anything about it right now, I was just wondering if anyone else would find it useful.
18:31 jcamins Controlled by a syspref, obviously.
18:31 wizzyrea something like that would almost certainly have to be optional
18:31 jcamins I was thinking of something that added a message after you created an item "this call number is a duplicate."
18:31 jcamins ebegin: you are completely correct. However, I would like to know when I'm assigning a duplicate call number.
18:29 wizzyrea yea, we don't have unique call numbers
18:29 ebegin jcamins, it's my understanding that call# doesn't have to be unique... but i may be wrong, i'm not a librarian :)
18:26 jcamins Would other libraries find it useful if Koha optionally checked that each item had a unique location/call#/copy#?
18:21 wizzyrea gmcharlt? master of the bugzilla?
18:20 wizzyrea even if it's something like "I'm using IE and I can't..." and the answer is "use firefox," at least we'll have that as a diagnostic tool.
18:19 jcamins I can no longer access my catalog from Firefox, so I could easily misidentify a compatibility bug as a functionality bug.
18:19 wizzyrea not just you of course
18:19 wizzyrea you = one
18:19 wizzyrea er
18:18 wizzyrea to know what they were using
18:18 wizzyrea it would help you replicate too
18:18 owen True
18:18 jcamins Errr... please disregard the extra "if".
18:18 jcamins owen: yeah, but if how can you tell if you're encountering a browser compatibility problem or a problem in, e.g., the cataloging interface?
18:16 owen There's a browser compatibility component
18:16 tcohen C4::Catalog::Rebuild?
18:16 tcohen how'd you call a rebuild_zebra library?
18:15 wizzyrea we have an "OS" dropdown
18:15 jcamins I'm surprised Bugzilla doesn't provide that automatically.
18:15 jcamins Hm, that would make sense.
18:14 wizzyrea now that we have at least 3 very popular browsers in use with koha?
18:14 wizzyrea hmm do we need to add a "browser" field in our bugzilla
18:10 reva Thanks jcamins: and cait: for your help; bye for now.
18:09 cait dinner time
18:08 cait ok :) I have some xslt things scheduled for next week
18:08 jcamins It will be in MARC21slim2OPACDetails.xsl.
18:08 reva cait: I will check back with you next week. Thanks.
18:07 reva oh, I think I understand. is it the xsltdisplay found in the OPAC?
18:06 cait will check for the patch
18:06 cait you only need to add a subfield to the xslt
18:06 reva cait: I was not meaning immediately; but may be even next week.
18:05 cait but its quite easy
18:05 cait reva: I can not find out before tomorrow - I am at home now and have limited access to our installations and my files
18:04 reva cait: how would I patch (I mean download and inject it into Koha)? Maybe you can find out from your library and let me know, please.
18:02 cait not sure I send it, but I am sure it was done for our library
18:02 cait jcamins: i think we have a patch somewhere to show place of publicaton in opac
18:02 reva ok, so that is helpful in the training drills so that I address remarks to the correct staff-student.
18:01 reva ok jcamins: -a is for authority, dah:0
18:00 cait hi jcamins
18:00 jcamins It's the same as the patron id.
18:00 jcamins Hi cait
18:00 jcamins reva: I think -b is bibliographic and -a is authority
17:59 reva what is the -b parameter for? (I kind of guess the -a is for all.)
17:57 cait hi #koha
17:56 reva So where exactly would I look for the operator id (id of staff who created/edited) in a record?
17:54 reva jcamins: I meant I will give the script a go.
17:54 jcamins I don't think so. I think maybe it's stored in the database.
17:54 jcamins (instead of -b)
17:54 reva jcamins: I will give it a go. Also is the Log file a txt file?
17:54 jcamins You can also try using bulkmarcimport.pl with a -a argument.
17:54 zen only bib records!
17:53 jcamins It will give you instructions.
17:53 jcamins reva: try running the bulkauthimport.pl script without any arguments.
17:53 jcamins I think probably it would be possible, because the MARC format is stream-oriented, but I have never tried.
17:53 reva oh zen: can you tell me how you do bulk import? have you done it with authority files? or only bib records?
17:52 reva jcamins: I do not that for a fact either; I was just asking because in Unix you can append files. But I do not know if in the .mrc (is that the extension for a MARC file?) can be handled the same way.
17:51 zen am doing koha bulk import everything is fine except it can't display copy number! is there anyone who can help me?
17:50 reva jecamins: I agree, LC is below par with this end of their catalog.
17:49 jcamins Maybe. But you'd still have to manually download each one.
17:49 jcamins I have no idea.
17:49 reva jcamins: I knew that limitation with LC authority files. But can you not append them all in a single file and import them into Koha?
17:48 jcamins Or did you find a way to download multiple authority records from LC?
17:47 jcamins It's very painful.
17:47 jcamins reva: no, you can only download one authority record at a time.
17:47 reva jcamins: that is what I have also been doing, creating my own? But I thought you could save all the LC authority files (which we got one at a time) together and stage and import it into Koha, no?
17:46 jcamins I have never used it, but I think it is for importing authorities. Isn't that what you're trying to use?
17:46 jcamins There is a script called misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl
17:45 jcamins reva: under Tools (in the staff client) is the log viewer.
17:45 reva jcamins: I am sorry I did not get what script you are referring to. Also, cataloguing log is turned to ON under sys preferences. So would the Log file be in the directory and I can simply read it as a text file?
17:43 jcamins I've never tried because you can only download authority records one at a time from LC. Much less trouble to just enter authorities myself.
17:42 jcamins reva: I gather the instructions in the script didn't work?
17:40 reva wizzyrea: I thought that is what the bulkimportauthority command was for? (I have never had to deal with authorities and technology before.)
17:39 wizzyrea the official website is at www.koha-community.org
17:39 wizzyrea you may be interested to know that www.koha.org isn't the official webpage
17:39 wizzyrea also
17:38 Amanu jcamins: no ihaven't!
17:38 wizzyrea i'm sorry I don't know
17:37 reva ok, maybe chris: or chirs_n or wizzyrea?: how do I import into Koha an authority record I have saved from LC?
17:37 jcamins Amanu: I believe some people have done this... did you check the mailing list archives?
17:36 * wizzyrea tries to raise chris_n for that question
17:36 Amanu can any body help me on how to integrate koha with openldap ?
17:35 reva jcamins: that is okay then. I mean it may not be strict AACR2, but that is ok.
17:35 jcamins I've never imported authority records, but perhaps someone else can advise you.
17:35 jcamins reva: it's possible that the location has never shown up, and I just never noticed, because that matched my desired behavior.
17:34 reva Ok, I will look in the logs now.
17:34 reva Oh I was just saying that the publisher's name showing as a link only on the staff side, not in OPAC; so I guess it is alright. But the place of publication is not showing in the OPAC (remember you said it was your customization; well it seems to be mine too; only I did not do the customizing:)
17:33 jcamins In answer to your first question, take a look at the Logs tab under sysprefs.
17:32 jcamins reva: the end of your message got cut off.
17:31 reva hi all, I am looking for answers to a couple of questions: how do you set up where you can tell who worked on a bib record in koha? and what is the command line phrase (with exact syntax) for bulkimporting marc authority files? jcamins: (FYI)-You may recall I had an issue with publisher name (260 $b) showing as links. On the OPAC side it does not show as links, only on the staff side. It is so even in the liblime demo (which makes m
17:30 CGI194 ok thank u!
17:30 wizzyrea I don't, sorry. There might be others that can help
17:30 CGI194 i'am on the way to integrate koha with ldap so do u have an idea if so pls help?
17:29 CGI194 ya
17:29 wizzyrea did you have a question about Koha?
17:28 CGI194 u'r from?
17:28 CGI194 yap!
17:28 wizzyrea everybody starts somewhere
17:27 CGI194 i'am new to this room
17:26 CGI194 fine!
17:26 wizzyrea well enough, and you?
17:26 CGI194 how are u?
17:26 wizzyrea oh hai
17:26 wizzyrea <tap tap tap> is this thing on?
17:25 CGI194 helo?
16:54 * jwagner is drooling -- lunch just got delivered, so I'm off to eat it :-)
16:53 jwagner wizzyrea, both the opac & staff search scripts call the same C4:Search routine
16:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5159 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref description misleading
16:53 jwagner Bug 5159
16:52 wizzyrea (which seems TOTALLY far out to me, but I will accept it)
16:52 wizzyrea you think it's in C4:Search?
16:51 wizzyrea in regards to where the template variables are generated...
16:51 jwagner I saw that too. Am much puzzled.
16:49 wizzyrea so there may be plans to kill it off.
16:48 wizzyrea NOTE: This is older than CircControl, but used by some parts of Koha. It will be removed soon.
16:48 wizzyrea the 3.2 text is as follows: Use the checkout and fines rules of
16:47 jwagner I think I'll open a bugzilla on that problem
16:47 wizzyrea but yea, it's apparently a big mess
16:47 wizzyrea *it either
16:46 wizzyrea if it does more than that either needs to be documented, or the purpose of the syspref changed.
16:46 wizzyrea as it reads, it should only affect using the circ/fines rules
16:46 wizzyrea well that's probably wrong behavior :/
16:46 jwagner Syspref description probably needs to be amplified/clarified, then.
16:45 jwagner But it affects transfers when Independent Branches isn't on, and is affecting branch display in searching as above
16:45 wizzyrea we are non-indy
16:45 wizzyrea it has applications for multibranch non independent too
16:45 wizzyrea mm no
16:45 jwagner Used by Circulation to determine which branch of an item to check with independent branches on, and by search to determine which branch to choose for availability
16:45 jwagner Which brings up another question I was troubleshooting last night. The old syspref description for HomeOrHoldingBranch implies it's only used with Independent Branches:
16:43 jwagner If I'm reading it correctly
16:43 jwagner from Search.pm, # set item's branch name, use HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref first, fall back to the other one -- whatever is defined in the syspref is going to get set as the homebranch for search results/display
16:42 * wizzyrea pulls out all of the nub questions
16:42 wizzyrea is there a good tool to help with that kind of thing?
16:42 wizzyrea homebranch vs holdingbranch
16:42 jwagner which variable(s)?
16:41 wizzyrea to compare how they are being generated
16:41 wizzyrea I couldn't find where those template variables were defined
16:40 * jwagner should keep questionable code snippets for future reference instead of having to look for them again :-(
16:40 * owen has to run. bbl
16:40 jwagner I think I'm back at the same place I was looking at last week, in Search.pm -- current head, line 1541 -- it's doing a check for HomeOrHoldingBranch
16:38 owen I don't understand the question wizzyrea
16:36 wizzyrea the opac problem is one we've lived with for a long time
16:36 wizzyrea dual columns in the intranet, I mean
16:35 wizzyrea mental map failure.
16:35 wizzyrea I looked at it and couldn't figure it out
16:35 wizzyrea how do you tell the code which to grab?
16:34 wizzyrea owen maybe you can answer this
16:34 wizzyrea vs. longcode
16:34 wizzyrea re: shortcode
16:34 wizzyrea incidentally
16:34 wizzyrea our most immediate problem re: locations would be solved by the dual columns
16:33 jwagner So to change what gets filled in for branch, you need to specify there
16:33 wizzyrea gotya
16:33 jwagner During that part of Search.pm is where it's building the item data, though -- filling in the fields for location, itype, etc.
16:32 wizzyrea it shouldn't matter to the search what you show on the detail page
16:32 owen wizzyrea: It's complicated by the fact that automatic transfers don't work properly (i.e. checking in something at the wrong branch and having it be transferred automatically)
16:31 owen wizzyrea: Theoretically
16:31 jwagner (always assuming I'm reading that section of code right)
16:30 jwagner And that's where it got complicated -- you'd have to separate out the code in Search.pm depending on whether the search was for staff or OPAC.
16:30 wizzyrea libraries
16:30 wizzyrea so in your library, a book can be shelved in any library?
16:30 wizzyrea so yea that should be a pref
16:29 owen So if you're going to show only one column in the OPAC and we disagree about which one it is, then it should be a syspref
16:29 owen Our patrons want to know where the book *is*, not where it should be.
16:28 kf ok, time to go home for me - my alter ego will be back later :)
16:28 kf I vote for description - we use isil as branch code, it's really ugly :)
16:28 jwagner When I looked at the code, the same part of Search.pm controls & feeds item data to both staff & OPAC search, so doing different settings would get a little involved.
16:27 jwagner wizzyrea, I was looking at this one last week & had some ideas on it, but I wanted to talk to our developers. We could continue that discussion on the codes/description part
16:27 wizzyrea owen I think disagrees with that, at least according to the bug
16:27 wizzyrea but I think it should default to home branch
16:27 wizzyrea that one probably should be a syspref
16:27 wizzyrea because patrons don't need to know where it is
16:27 wizzyrea no, I think the OPAC only needs to show one column
16:26 jwagner And are you talking the same solution for both staff and OPAC view?
16:26 wizzyrea and, I would need help with the syspref part for the short vs. long codes
16:26 wizzyrea cool beans. I think it's a better solution than a single column
16:26 jwagner I'm fine with having both show by default so long as the template is set up properly so you could hide one or the other with jquery
16:25 jwagner code vs full name I think should be a syspref, though -- a lot of sites won't recognize their codes
16:25 wizzyrea in that discussion
16:25 wizzyrea ^^ and he was the main detractor
16:25 owen I'd rather show both than have a syspref at all
16:25 jwagner I think it could be reframed so that the syspref(s) controlled whether the separate columns appeared so you could have both if you wanted.
16:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3262 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch instead of current location on detail page
16:24 owen I don't really have an opinion about the code vs. full name question though
16:24 jwagner wizzyrea, the earlier discussion on Bug 3262 was mixed, and leaned toward having a syspref control which appeared.
16:24 wizzyrea I was thinking about it
16:24 owen +1 wizzyrea
16:23 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded. Quote #89 added.
16:23 jwagner @quote add <owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!
16:22 wizzyrea (and they prefer the shortcodes)
16:22 wizzyrea (our libraries think it is)
16:22 wizzyrea is it helpful to have both current and holding on the detail page?
16:22 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/Y2U0N2Ez
16:22 wizzyrea do you like this change?
16:22 wizzyrea another question
16:21 wizzyrea ok
16:07 kf will try to squash my next patch :)
16:05 wizzyrea but I will learn
16:04 * wizzyrea totally is, in this one case.
16:04 wizzyrea lol
16:04 owen We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!
16:03 cfouts hard to over-commit using that technique
16:03 cfouts in my topic branches I commit after even relatively tiny changes, then squash, just as owen describes.
15:59 owen It took me too long to learn that one myself. It makes life much easier.
15:59 wizzyrea >.<
15:58 wizzyrea omg that would have saved me yesterday
15:58 owen You'll be given the opportunity to edit the commit message for the resulting squashed commit
15:58 owen Keep the first one as "pick" and the rest as "s" (for squash)
15:58 owen That will show you a list of your commits
15:58 wizzyrea ah ok that's what that does
15:57 owen git rebase -i origin
15:57 wizzyrea owen you'll be pleased to know that I'm using your workflow :P
15:57 wizzyrea squashing
15:57 wizzyrea I need to know how to do that
15:57 wizzyrea oh oh
15:56 owen But within that scope you can commit many times
15:56 owen The key is to limit your changes to one very specific feature or bug fix
15:56 owen Because you can commit as many times as you want and then squash all the commits together for one patch
15:55 owen The real question is when should you submit the patch
15:55 wizzyrea < has had this burning question for a while
15:55 wizzyrea am I supposed to make one change then commit, or make several related changes then commit?
15:54 wizzyrea (git workflow)
15:54 wizzyrea I have a workflow problem
15:54 wizzyrea ok, so tell me
15:54 wizzyrea yes, and I think that makes it the winning choice
15:54 owen checkout history is materials-agnostic
15:54 wizzyrea checkout history probably would make sense to both
15:54 wizzyrea circulation history is a little librarianish
15:54 wizzyrea reading history is more patron friendly
15:53 wizzyrea I can go with that, I just want them to all be the same
15:52 kf we use Ausleihhistorie in German, that would be checkout history
15:50 wizzyrea but the tab says "circulation history"
15:50 wizzyrea it's reading history in the opac and in the header in the staff client
15:50 owen I vote "checkout history"
15:49 * wizzyrea likes consistency in labels
15:49 wizzyrea or the reading history
15:49 wizzyrea ok, is it the circulation history
15:49 owen and "FIXME - this is cheating on two levels"
15:49 owen I like "FIXME: No Such thing."
15:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts
15:47 owen 251 of those are "#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505"
15:46 owen (excluding JS)
15:45 owen My search found 818
15:45 owen Luckily you're both too high
15:45 kf 2364
15:44 brendan 1,250 ?
15:44 owen How's this for motivation? Anyone want to guess how many "FIXME's" there are in the Koha code?
15:36 kf or developer motivation
15:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, ASSIGNED, Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
15:36 jcamins Bug 5158
15:32 jwagner I'd say Developer Documentation, myself. At least it might inspire me to _do_ some documentation....
15:29 jcamins Yeah, that's definitely the severity, but should it be "Architecture," "Developer documentation," "Holidays," "Tools," "Websites," or something else?
15:29 rhcl lettuce, tomato pickle onion heavy on the spicy mustard
15:29 rhcl Double hamburger with cheese
15:29 jwagner Many of us are. Maybe we also need an official Koha diet....
15:28 wizzyrea I am always enhanced by cookies.
15:28 wizzyrea definitely enhancement
15:27 jcamins What component should it be filed under?
15:20 jwagner Is there an RFC or bugzilla entry for it?
15:19 jcamins Hm, good point.
15:19 owen Is there a git repo for it? :)
15:18 jcamins We're working on it.
15:18 owen Wait--there's an official koha cookie flavor?
15:18 jcamins jwagner: I live in NYC, so I don't have space for an ice cream maker. ;)
15:18 jwagner jcamins, don't forget the ice cream!
15:17 * jcamins thinks all successful open source projects need their own cookie and fudge flavors
15:15 kf like the koha cookie flavor :)
15:15 * kf thinks this new module would lead to much progress on different other projects
15:14 * brendan according to jwagner and owen - it's inner-monolog day :)
15:13 * chris_n feels like tossing some of it into the big pond ;-)
15:13 * jwagner proposes a new Koha module -- the official Sysadmin/Developer Desk under which we can all hide when needed.
15:12 * kf hides under her desk again
15:11 * chris_n is shuffling server hardware today
15:11 chris_n hey brendan
15:09 brendan hey there chris_n
15:08 cfouts howdy
15:05 chris_n heya cfouts
14:50 * kf blushes
14:50 jcamins Only both have super powers.
14:50 kf and who is who? :)
14:50 brendan it's like clark kent and superman
14:49 owen It strange, though, we never see them together in the same room... Hmmm....
14:49 jwagner Don't we already have a kf and a cait? The more the better, of course....
14:46 kf :)
14:46 * druthb thinks two kfs, or even a kf and a cait, would be fun to have around!
14:45 kf better
14:42 cfouts good morning
14:42 kf1 I have a clone
14:41 kf1 hm
14:41 kf1 1?
14:41 brendan hi kf1
14:40 kf1 hi cfouts and brendan
14:28 nengard i got to start my day by having a tooth drilled!! everything is up hill from there
14:28 nengard morning all
14:23 kf jcamins: I know that feeling... some days are like everything you touch is falling apart
14:22 jcamins My bug list keeps growing. :(
14:22 druthb thanx!
14:22 kf wb druthb
14:18 jcamins kf: you're welcome.
14:18 chris_n or at least the accumulation of that many between private/public/open lists
14:17 chris_n I think that we could reasonably count on some patrons having 20-30 lists
14:17 profmathe i'll go search the real wiki and get back if i learn anything useful :)
14:16 kf jcamins: thx for the recipe!
14:16 chris_n owen: we could do that; along the ajax lines I was thinking of a call back function tied to a "Next 10" sort of link to refresh just the list
14:16 wizzyrea no, special characters bork lots of stuff :(
14:16 profmathe well anyway thank you all very much
14:16 wizzyrea nah, most people would probably say that postfix is the mailer of choice
14:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5155 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Question marks cause problems for BiblioAddsAuthorities
14:16 jcamins Can someone confirm that bug 5155 isn't just me doing something dumb?
14:16 profmathe just odd that there seems to be no mail option config in the console
14:16 briceSanc hi koha !
14:15 profmathe bad form to run home to the product i'm most familiar with, but hey
14:15 profmathe i might try just installing postfix and forwarding to that
14:15 wizzyrea we always have time, not always the answer :/
14:15 profmathe no prob
14:15 wizzyrea i'm not sure, sorry
14:14 profmathe nothing in catalog, no patrons, brand new install...
14:14 wizzyrea probably the holds notices?
14:13 profmathe i've killed my forwards in nullmailer so my mail admin doesn't shoot me but i'd actually like it to work
14:13 profmathe second one i hope will be easy: in a fresh install, what would call nullmailer once a minute and how do i configure it? i don't see any MTA options in the admin console
14:12 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm glad you like it.
14:12 kf jcamins: I can improvise
14:12 owen PTFS/Liblime uses koha.org for their own purposes
14:12 profmathe thx on that one
14:12 profmathe broken link!
14:12 profmathe ah
14:12 owen http://wiki.koha-community.org
14:11 profmathe first one's easy: is my dns borked or is wiki.koha.org down?
14:11 profmathe sweet
14:11 wizzyrea we always have time :)
14:11 wizzyrea jcamins: that is made of win
14:11 profmathe if anyone has time for 2 quick new user questions that i promise i researched first, i'd really appreciate it...
14:10 owen For the "show all" view we could use a list of items with radio buttons instead of a <select>
14:09 owen Or am I underestimating the number of lists some patrons might have?
14:09 owen What about keeping the 10 item limit in the popup, but offer a link to "show all" ?
14:08 owen The trouble is the accessible fallbacks aren't as fun to develop
14:05 owen We just need to back them up with accessible fallbacks
14:05 owen Sure, but it shouldn't keep us from adding features which are useful
14:04 chris_n I thought we wanted to avoid things that had the potential to cause accessibility problems?
14:04 jcamins chris_n: why can't we use ajax in the OPAC?
14:04 owen Can't use ajax stuff in the opac?
14:04 jcamins kf: unfortunately I use both metric and Imperial measurements. :(
14:03 chris_n owen: but since we can't use ajax stuff in opac, it might not be doable in a nice and clean way
14:02 pastebot "jcamins" at 66.93.90.115 pasted "Jared's fudge recipe" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/48
14:02 chris_n probably so, to avoid the use of js
14:01 owen And then a link or control to load the next set of lists?
14:01 * chris_n recalls seeing such a creature once, but can't remember where
14:01 chris_n allowing all lists to be available but only 10 or so viewable in the dropdown at once... make sense?
14:00 chris_n I 'm thinking of some sort of drop-down which would have a scroll bar on one side
13:59 profmathe hi all
13:59 chris_n maybe its a bug... :-Z
13:59 owen I don't understand your idea about a list of lists
13:59 owen Thanks chris_n, I'm still a little confused about how Bugzilla decides when to send me a message
13:57 chris_n fwiw
13:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
13:57 chris_n` owen: I just commented on your comment on bug 3523, but bugzilla informed me that it did not send you an email
13:57 * kf whispers: fudge...
13:57 * jcamins doesn't understand what's special about question marks in authority records. :(
13:54 kf jcamins: hi :)
13:27 tcohen jcamins: hi
13:25 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:19 * magnus gotta run
13:18 tcohen ok!
13:18 tcohen too much perl processes reindexing here, hehe
13:18 owen There doesn't seem to be anyone here with an opinion :)
13:18 owen Perhaps an email to the developers list would be better?
13:18 tcohen oewn: oh, sorry I had a hard lock of my computer and was not sure
13:17 owen We heard you the first time tcohen :)
13:17 tcohen zebraqueue
13:17 tcohen the reindexing process previously feaured by the (flawed)
13:17 tcohen when implementing a service that substitutes
13:17 tcohen that way we could avoid the spawning of a new perl process
13:17 tcohen hi, should we refactor rebuild_(no)zebra as a library?
13:11 tcohen the reindexing process previously feaured by the (flawed) zebraqueue
13:10 tcohen when implementing a service that substitutes
13:10 tcohen that way we could avoid the spawning of a new perl process
13:08 tcohen hi, should we refactor rebuild_(no)zebra as a library?
13:07 * magnus cant't see any *_tmp tables, just tmp_holdsqueue
13:06 * magnus agrees
13:05 * jwagner thinks it probably will be....
13:05 * owen wonders if everything in #koha today will be in interior monologue
13:03 * kf wonders if she will ever finish the text for the new Koha flyer
13:01 * owen wonders about the labels* and creator* tables ending with _tmp
12:57 * magnus tries to remember if there are more tables than sessions and zebraqueue that does not usually need to be in a mysqldump
12:22 magnus greenmang: how about LOC?
12:19 owen Hi kf
12:19 kf hi owen
11:48 greenmang hello friends... can anybody suggest me an api or z3950 server which can make available Major Journals?
11:39 kf magnus: I think open-source-bibliotheksystem has the important points :)
11:39 kf das :)
11:38 magnus kf: i used something like "der freie Bibliothekssystem" (in norwegian)
11:21 kf Integriertes Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem is too long
11:20 kf ah
11:20 magnus kf: i know, i was just curious about how long he has been away... ;-)
11:20 kf magnus: I think nicomo is no longer at biblibre
11:07 munin Amit: amit was last seen in #koha 4 seconds ago: <Amit> @seen chris
11:07 Amit @seen amit
11:07 munin Amit: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <chris> adding more unused data to the record isnt going to make the opac work better
11:07 Amit @seen chris
11:07 munin Amit: amit was last seen in #koha 5 seconds ago: <Amit> @seen brendan
11:07 Amit @seen amit
11:07 munin Amit: brendan was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 44 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <brendan> hi Amit
11:07 Amit @seen brendan
11:06 munin Amit: chris was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 9 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <chris> adding more unused data to the record isnt going to make the opac work better
11:06 Amit @seen chris
11:06 Amit hi nicomo
11:05 munin magnus: nicomo was last seen in #koha 13 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <nicomo> hi Amit_G
11:05 magnus @seen nicomo
11:05 munin magnus: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
11:05 magnus @lastseen nicomo
11:05 munin magnus: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
11:05 magnus @last seen nicomo
11:04 munin magnus: Error: "las" is not a valid command.
11:04 magnus @las seen nicomo
11:03 magnus kf: i did the same thing for some koha posters i made earlier this year. i don't think nicomo saw any problems with it, at least
10:49 kf found the .psd file in git :)
10:49 kf is it ok to change the text under the koha logo? want to change Open-Source integrated library system to the german translation (without integrated) Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem
10:27 kf back
10:05 * magnus is off for lunch
09:59 magnus chris: sounds logical to me!
09:56 chris adding more unused data to the record isnt going to make the opac work better
09:56 magnus s/RD/RDA/
09:55 magnus have a nice lunch, kf
09:55 chris seriously, i think ppl forget the entire point of a library system
09:55 magnus and RD is closed
09:55 kf ok, coworkers waiting - see you later
09:55 kf does not make my life easier
09:55 chris RDA is just mental
09:55 chris i mean AARC2 was complicated enough
09:55 kf they managed to get a lot of the mab things into marc21
09:55 chris and then a step into UTTER MADNESS to wedge RDA into MARC
09:55 kf the problem you have to solve is import - map the new format to marc and all others so you can get data from everywhere
09:54 chris yeah, step backwards to go from MAB to MARC
09:54 kf it's still widely used around here
09:54 kf MAB2 to be more correct
09:54 kf German bibliographic format
09:54 magnus kf: MAB?
09:53 * magnus wishes someone would try ripping marc out of e.g. koha and replacing it with e.g. RDF, as a research project
09:53 kf lunch time - bbl
09:53 magnus a working prototype of an alternative approach would be sooo good
09:52 kf ...
09:52 kf Germany had MAB and is moving to MARC
09:52 magnus paul_p: and they seem to be preoccupied with RDA...
09:52 paul_p big boats
09:52 magnus chris, pail_p: sad but true
09:51 paul_p and those 3 old ladies are very slow to move...
09:51 * paul_p feel that oneone will move until either LoC, BL or BNF moves.
09:50 chris :)
09:50 chris thats what every librarian says, then they say, but everyone else is using it, so we have too
09:50 magnus chris: good point. let's come up with a better alternative! ;-)
09:50 kf marc was not my idea...
09:49 paul_p marc-must-die.info, I fully agree !!!
09:49 paul_p chris++ !!!!!
09:48 chris you make it hard by keeping making us deal with MARC :)
09:48 kf so hard to be nice to us?
09:47 paul_p wow... /me start to think about cancelling my trip. too dangerous... :D
09:46 magnus hehe
09:46 kf magnus: I like how your mind works :)
09:45 magnus paul_p: if you are not nice to us librarians we will force you to do bungy jumping on the road trip ;-)
09:45 jt lol
09:45 kf why not test the IT folks for basic library knowledge? :)
09:41 kf regex?
09:39 paul_p more complex test : s/\/\//\/\/\// :D
09:39 paul_p (note that anyone understanding s// immediatly get respect from most developers. Could we consider that as a test ? ;-) )
09:38 kf :)
09:37 paul_p s/it's possible for anyone/you don't need to be a IT guy/
09:37 kf something like that yes :)
09:36 paul_p or you'll kick my ass in NZ ? :D
09:36 kf you better not ;)
09:36 paul_p oups... right ! I wasn't implying librarians are dummies...
09:36 kf and I am a librarian...
09:35 kf paul_p: I think this sentence is not so nice about librarians ;)
09:35 paul_p but we have some librarians that now send patches (about templates or things like that), so it's possible for anyone !
09:34 kf jt: it is open source everybody is welcome to help fix bugs and improve koha
09:34 paul_p jt: the koha community is welcoming anyone that want to send a patch ! Of course, your first patches will be examined very carefully & you'll probably have to send them more than once because there will be some changes to do to respect the coding guidelines. But we have 110+ devs, so, feel free to become another one ;-)
09:29 jt is that mean that wis possible to participate in development iwth very basic programming skill on koha?
09:28 pastebot "jt" at 203.115.201.100 pasted "curious" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/47
09:28 jt I find this very insteresting
09:24 wasabi late fees, oww!
09:24 DaGentooB ok
09:24 wasabi i need to return some late DVD's now... :/
09:23 DaGentooB I think I am on to something here
09:23 DaGentooB k. I will do it once I get it fixed.
09:23 wasabi with good screenshots!
09:23 wasabi dagentoob if you are keen, you can try to log your problem as a bug...
09:23 DaGentooB yeah.... I searched before I came here
09:22 wasabi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?product=Koha&component=Label%20printing&resolution=---
09:22 DaGentooB but the for loop is reset to 0 every time you change a page
09:22 wasabi theres no current bug for your problem..
09:22 DaGentooB is pulling the result number from the for loop
09:21 DaGentooB ok so $marcresults->[$i]
09:21 DaGentooB wait I see
09:20 DaGentooB forgive my perl ignorance but does $iii have something to do with th $i that the for loop is using?
09:19 DaGentooB so at least that part is going through
09:19 DaGentooB well at the top it lists "Results 61 through 80 of 213"
09:18 wasabi the form isnt sending a page=2 arg to the script?
09:18 DaGentooB but it still won't advance to the next page
09:17 DaGentooB ok that did work.... it now only displays 20 per page....
09:15 DaGentooB wonder what would happen if I just set the for loop to 20.... let me try it
09:15 DaGentooB no... for some reason the for loop keeps going through results after the first 20 even though the results for that page have been reduced to 20 at a time
09:14 kf chris: sorry! It's all working now, I gave her the permissons for German
09:14 wasabi yr bibdata is bad?
09:14 DaGentooB Use of uninitialized value $biblionumber in hash element, Use of uninitialized value $biblionumber in sprintf, and No item numbers retrieved for biblio number:
09:13 DaGentooB I get the same 3 errors for each item after 20
09:13 DaGentooB $biblioitemnumber isn't getting populated after the first 20
09:12 wasabi ... just got back from werk
09:11 wasabi pass, i cant look right now...
09:10 kf ok, now I only have to find out why my coworker can't edit
09:10 DaGentooB yes I am searching by barcode
09:10 DaGentooB it looks like anything after 20 isn't getting retrieved
09:10 wasabi is there an item?
09:09 DaGentooB wasabi: the error is No item numbers retrieved for biblio number:
09:09 chris yeah, that wont work :)
09:09 kf I think I am stupid and my browsers autocomplete landed me on koha-community.org
09:09 wasabi dagentoob you may have UTF characters that dont map to PDF char, in your label-data
09:09 chris looking at your user now
09:09 chris i can login fine as me
09:09 kf give me a moment
09:09 kf it does
09:09 chris first does that look ok? ie is the german all there?
09:08 DaGentooB it isn't the pdf process that is hanging up... it is the search to add them to the batch
09:08 kf I can't login and resetting the password always tells me my email address does not exist
09:08 kf can you check my user?
09:08 wasabi dagentoob: check your log file, while generating your pdf...
09:08 chris seems fine to me
09:08 chris http://translate.koha.org/de/
09:07 DaGentooB I am hoping to print about 2000
09:07 kf chris: I hope it too, but what I see does not look good
09:07 DaGentooB yeah I do
09:07 chris kf: i hope not, but ill look
09:07 wasabi dagentoob: do you have more than 20 labels?
09:07 chris DaGentooB: ive never used the label maker sorry
09:06 kf chris: ok, correction, I can not login at all and German is empty?
09:06 DaGentooB does anyone else have this problem?
09:05 DaGentooB I am thinking that the for loop is putting in a row for every result
09:05 kf chris: my coworker has pootle permission problems and I dont see the language list when logged in - something wrong there again?
09:05 wasabi and people go there, like you dagentoob, and get confused :(
09:05 DaGentooB any idea why it would be doing that?
09:04 DaGentooB now... about label-item-search.pl
09:04 wasabi yes, lots of links on the old koha.org website don t work anymore :(
09:04 chris we keep hoping they will return the domain to the community, but they seem more interested in sowing confusion and being hostile instead
09:04 DaGentooB ok that makes more sense.
09:03 DaGentooB oh ok
09:03 chris so only that one company can update it, and they don't
09:03 chris its not under the control of the community, but one company, (it used to be community controlled)
09:03 wasabi dagentoob: thats the *old* koha website ;)
09:02 chris yeah, dont believe koha.org
09:02 Amit heya wasabi
09:02 wasabi heh, heya chris
09:02 DaGentooB http://koha.org/download
09:02 chris www.koha-community.org is the official koha website, and what wasabi just pasted is the wiki :)
09:02 wasabi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
09:02 chris which website?
09:00 DaGentooB I was trying to download the latest from GIT but I clicked on the instructions link on the website and my dns said it couldn't find wiki.koha
08:59 DaGentooB I am looking at label-item-search.pl and on my installation if there is more then 1 page of results it lists the first 20 and then the rows for the rest and no data. If I try to go to the next page it lists the first 20 and that is it.
08:58 jt chris: thanks, I'll try this out
08:57 chris jt: http://markmail.org/message/n6v2sikmud7vdtbb
08:57 kf hmpf. :)
08:56 magnus kf: nah, it shows you try. the name does not say anything about how successfull you are :-)
08:56 kf magnus: it took me about a week to get the code right - and all I wanted to do was to show serial enumeration in the item list for item level holds!
08:55 kf magnus: I think this is a good reason to think of me as a non-developer! :)
08:54 magnus kf: and you still think of yourself as a non-developer? ;-)
08:53 kf :)
08:53 kf chris: I see... you know me ... I always manage to make infinite loops
08:53 chris yeah, thats not so much resolving as postponing :)
08:53 jt but I don't think it will be the cure on the long run
08:52 jt the usual approvch to resolve is to restart the server orweb server
08:52 chris more likely mysql is jammed
08:52 chris well if you put an infinite loop in it yeah, but if you havent edited opac-reserve.pl its unlikely to be that
08:52 kf I had problems with that when my perl code was not right - had to kill the processes
08:51 chris but unlikely its been hacked
08:51 chris not a bug
08:51 jt is this a bug or server hacked?
08:51 chris 55:34.02 opac-reserve.pl
08:50 chris jt: theres no way they should be running that long
08:50 kf reserve = hold
08:50 kf or at least it did when I worked on that some time ago
08:50 kf it normally appears when you make a reserve in the opac
08:49 jt what is the use of opac-reserver.pl by the way?
08:48 jt chris: the current nopaste is a koha server without users using it, but somehow it bring the server to crawl
08:48 magnus chris: sorry about that, but i guess i have been a librarian about as long as you have worked on koha... ;-)
08:47 chris jt: simultaneous librarian users, or people using the opac
08:47 kf evening chris :)
08:47 kf jt: I don't know, our libraries are quite small and I am not sure what hardware we are using
08:47 chris magnus: i wish you had killed marc before i started working on koha
08:41 pastebot "jt" at 203.115.201.100 pasted "koha goes to crawl/ without current users" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46
08:39 jt hi, is there any hardware requirement for a decent koha installation with about 250 simultaneous users?
07:20 kf :)
07:19 magnus paul_p: sounds good!
07:19 paul_p ;-)
07:19 magnus hiya paul_p
07:19 paul_p my trip start in less than 2 months, as we do a stop-and-go of 1 day in Kuala-Lumpur
07:18 paul_p hi Europe (magnus & kf)
07:17 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
07:17 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
07:17 magnus yup. hope he is not the only one, or i will loose my faith in a better future for library data... ;-)
07:15 kf ah Jacob Voss contributed to your wiki
07:15 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.5�C (9:24 AM CEST on August 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
07:15 kf @wunder Konstanz
07:15 kf mine too :)
07:14 magnus my trip starts in exactly 2 months! ;-)
07:14 magnus and the same to you!
07:13 kf I am really looking forward to meet you :)
07:13 magnus kf: yup! it's about time
07:12 kf marc-must-die? :)
07:12 kf morning magnus and paul_p
07:12 magnus hiya kf and #koha
07:10 kf good morning #koha
06:37 chris I might make a template
06:32 chris I think I have answered every email with send a patch today
03:22 brendan hi Amit
03:22 Amit heya chris, brendan
03:19 wajasu sweet! 3.2 has a koha_perl_deps.pl script so now I can drive my distribution package builder from it!