Time Nick Message
22:08 JeremyLC I'll try to catch him later. Time for me to leave my office now, too.
21:47 wizzyrea when you search in the opac?
21:47 wizzyrea hm, can someone tell me which marc field the pubdate sort is sorting on?
21:47 darling JeremyLC, chris is out of the office today or he'd probably have you a response by now
21:28 JeremyLC the default "new framework" has a mind bending 15+ pages of fields
21:27 JeremyLC I think we just need to setup some pared-down frameworks for our materials
21:26 sekjal the interface could certainly be modified to hide MARC from the user
21:25 JeremyLC guess we'll have to sort out what to do with the MARC records, then
21:24 JeremyLC "Yes Koha was originally designed to be used without MARC. As MARC support was added this functionality was lost. Its something I definitely want to add back. At least the ability to not ever have to see MARC, even if it is being used in the background" - Chris Cormack
21:23 JeremyLC I'm not seeing how to do cataloguing without using MARC records
21:23 sekjal it would be great to allow for other metadata formats than MARC, but it would be a bear to get Zebra to be able digest them
21:23 sekjal JeremyLC: no, I don't believe it did
21:20 JeremyLC Is it possible to use Koha without using MARC? I saw, through some searching, that that feature ell by the wayside a couple years back, but I couldn't find weather it ever made it back in.
20:38 chris Ok boarding time to switch the phone off
20:36 cait ok, bed time - bye all :)
20:35 chris Thank you
20:35 cait have a nice day in christchurch :)
20:34 chris Hiya cait
20:34 cait hi chris
20:34 wizzyrea ooh, fun
20:34 chris They are long time koha users
20:34 * chris is off to christchurch for the day to do some koha work at the spinal unit of the hospital
20:30 Flanagan I'll check those out. Thanks.
20:29 wizzyrea hey chris
20:28 brendan hi chris_airport
20:28 * chris says hi from the airport
20:27 wizzyrea flanagan also: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5033
20:26 wizzyrea may help you
20:26 wizzyrea Flanagan: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c7165#AEN7171
19:54 Flanagan My cataloger needs some instruction in importing OCLC records into Koha. Can someone direct me, please?
19:50 owen Great!
19:48 indradg_ :)
19:48 indradg_ owen, working nicely! http://opac.wbsub.ac.in/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=14463&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=15#shelfbrowser
19:48 owen Yes
19:48 indradg_ owen, around?
18:32 aarkerio I'm a python coder and I am little rusty on Perl so I will check, thx to all!
18:30 owen aarkerio: Feel free to add an RFC to the wiki if you develop a plan to add the feature to Koha
18:30 aarkerio I will review http://search.cpan.org/~iroberts/Solaris-ACL-0.06/ACL.pm and see how difficult is implement Acces Control Lists in perl
18:28 ebegin aarkerio, or there is the Import User features in the Tools module allowing you to import user from a csv file
18:28 aarkerio ok, thx a lot!!
18:27 owen aarkerio: You could also update a group of patron's permissions directly in MySQL if you needed to do a bulk modification
18:27 cait one patron for more than one person
18:27 owen aarkerio: Permissions are attached to a user, not a category
18:26 cait you don't need a user for every staff member, you can also use group logins, if you like that better
18:25 aarkerio there is no ACL in Koha?
18:25 aarkerio I don't wanna edit user by user until finish 30 users
18:24 owen aarkerio: You can't do that. It's not how it works.
18:24 aarkerio thanks for your help, but I wanna create an "Admin" rol and add the new users so the permissions are in the "heritance"
18:22 ebegin aarkerio, this will help you : http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5732
18:21 owen Then look for the "more" menu button in the button toolbar on that page
18:21 owen Click that patron's name to view the record
18:21 owen Do a patron search for the patron you want to be an administrator
18:21 owen aarkerio: Forget about patron categories
18:20 aarkerio I see "Patron Category Administration" and I created a new "Admin" catgory in "Personal"
18:20 owen You're not looking for the "more" menu item at the very top of the page, but the "more" toolbar button which is alongside the "edit," "change password," etc. buttons
18:19 owen aarkerio: Do you have the patron's record open on the screen?
18:18 aarkerio There is no "More->Set Permissions" option in More menu
18:17 ebegin aarkerio, Got it?
18:16 ebegin (in the user account)
18:16 ebegin More » Set Permissions
18:15 aarkerio I created "Admin" categorie but I can not found permission screen
18:15 aarkerio ebegin, No, I mean I want to create new accounts for library staff
18:15 ebegin You can use it to create your first account. And then, as jcamins suggest, create your own user with the superlibrarian permissions
18:14 ebegin the one in the <config> section is your admin username with the <pass> just after.
18:12 ebegin aarkerio, do you have access to your installation directory? If so, look for <user> in the etc/koha-conf.xml file
18:11 jcamins aarkerio: you have to set the permissions.
18:10 briceSanc si i continue to search...
18:10 aarkerio there is no "Admin" patron?
18:10 briceSanc jcamins, i still importing authorities and -match does work on my script.
18:10 owen The type of patron doesn't matter, only the permissions
18:10 aarkerio I created a Personal->Staff user but I get Error: Unauthorized user
18:10 owen Add a new patron and and change their permissions
18:09 aarkerio hi! how can add a new "admin" user ?
18:05 jcamins Unless you're still importing authorities, in which case I have no idea how to do it.
18:04 jcamins briceSanc: I could not get -match to work for me. Probably you want to use the stage_biblios_file.pl and commit_biblios_file.pl scripts.
18:02 briceSanc someone could help with the script bulkmarcimport.pl and the option -match ?
17:48 cait it definitely sounds like a bug
17:43 jcamins Hm. I think this might be a bug. When I duplicate a 773 field, and try to add a subfield 'g' to the field I just created, it adds a subfield g to the original 773 field.
17:28 indradg_ going to test it now
17:27 indradg_ owen, saw your patch
17:27 owen Hi
17:27 indradg_ owen, ping
16:55 briceSanc ;)
16:55 briceSanc ok
16:54 jcamins briceSanc: I've never tried importing authority records, so I'm not sure.
16:54 briceSanc jcamins, they take place in import_records table ?
16:49 jcamins briceSanc: Zebra extracts authority data from the Koha database.
16:47 JeremyLC find . -type f -exec grep -Hi "#$%^" "{}" \;
16:46 briceSanc ?
16:46 briceSanc do you know if authorities are import in Koha-DB or Zebra-DB
16:44 * wizzyrea giggles
16:44 * collum now wants to do a recursive grep for dirty words
16:43 cait :)
16:43 cfouts I can't even type that without gritting my teeth in sympathy
16:41 owen Who else but a nerd would get enraged so? :)
16:40 wizzyrea nerd rage!
16:40 wizzyrea lol!
16:40 jcamins Wow.
16:38 owen Hmm... interesting function name in the javascript calendar library we're using, "continuation_for_the_fucking_khtml_browser"
16:30 OpenUser hi
16:29 cait hi #koha
16:23 OpenUser 3.06
16:23 wizzyrea what did you upgrade to?
16:23 OpenUser I did try looking but can't see one!
16:23 wizzyrea perhaps there is a syspref?
16:23 OpenUser Sorry,. in the STATUS row
16:23 OpenUser Good Afternoon. "Checked out to" on the Holding screen. Does anyone know why this would dissappear when I upgrade Koha and how I might get it back?
15:36 wasabi its worth looking at to see how someone else does an acq. workflow
15:36 wasabi sure, i agree ;)
15:35 jcamins wasabi: I'm not sure those two things can be counted against it too harshly. After all, if you are an ILLIAD customer who needs to do whatever it does on Windows, why should you be expected to develop something cross-platform.
15:34 wasabi still looks interesting tho
15:32 wasabi ...and a current OCLC-iliad account?
15:30 wasabi looks like GIST runs on win-fail.. :/
15:29 jcamins Yep. That's where I downloaded it from.
15:29 wasabi or is that req. just for 'GIST for ILLiad Webpages'
15:28 wasabi http://toolkit.idsproject.org/doku.php?id=wiki:gist
15:28 wasabi GIST -> 'Access to your ILLiad web server (written on .net framework, so GIST will work for OCLC hosted sites)'
15:28 briceSanc thank you
15:28 owen From where?
15:28 jcamins owen: I downloaded the source.
15:28 briceSanc no problems
15:27 * owen is not an actual authorities user, just plays one when testing
15:27 briceSanc ok
15:27 owen Sorry briceSanc, I've only run tests. I don't have experience with duplicates
15:27 briceSanc and how you manage duplicates ?
15:26 owen I've used bulkmarcimport to import authorities successfully
15:26 owen briceSanc: I think bulkmarcimport. I'm not sure bulkauthimport works if I remember correctly
15:25 owen jcamins: Did you see a reference to CC?
15:23 briceSanc for koha 3.2beta
15:23 briceSanc what is the best Authorities script to import marc records : bulkauthimport.pl or bulkmarcimport.pl ?
15:23 jcamins Sorry, I was thinking of yast.
15:21 jcamins Also, aren't you not supposed to use CC for source code?
15:19 jcamins Isn't gist the name of a Linux installer stack?
15:19 owen No mention that it's Windows-only. No mention of version control
15:17 owen Another questionable "open source" label? http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15003
15:16 kf so time to leave and go home - bye all :)
15:16 kf 5:24
15:15 kf 5 pm
15:15 kf yep
15:14 owen Almost evening kf? :)
15:14 kf not almost :)
15:14 collum Good Morning, almost afternoon, kf.
15:10 kf hi collum
15:05 collum Hi owen
15:04 owen Hi collum
14:20 * magnus signs off before blood preassure starts to rise... ;-)
14:20 magnus wasabi: RDA sounds like the worst kind of design-by-committee...
14:15 wasabi (that's how it was explained to me - by an v. experienced cataloger )
14:15 briceSanc hi all !
14:14 wasabi it sounded like the RDA-spec team still had doubts to whether the final part was even do-able
14:12 wasabi someone described RDA to me recently, saying the final (and most difficult) part of the spec was incomplete...
14:11 wasabi yes please!
14:11 wasabi cataloguing using them correctly, and coding to handle them correctly in the marc-editor is really difficult
14:11 magnus yep, time to put a lot of this tech out of it's suffering and start using modern tools/formats etc! :-)
14:09 wasabi lol, the marc spec's are so crazy... - the 'identifiers' especially
14:06 greenmang magnus: thanks a lot :)
14:06 magnus i don't know how i would live without it... ;-)
14:05 wasabi nice magnus - i dont think ive every seen that BIB-1 doc before
14:00 magnus one of those areas where library data gets really obscure...
13:59 magnus greenmang: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html
13:58 magnus greenmang: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html
13:54 greenmang i just found that @attr 1=7 is used for ISBN number... but why 7 is used for ISBN or why 4 is used for Book Title or 1003 for Author name? is it a standard? where can I find it?
13:52 greenmang hello friends... http://zoom.z3950.org/bind/perl/ this site lists a perl binding for searching LoC online catalogue, can anybody tell me what does "@attr 1=7" means?
13:33 kf sekjal: I am sure others are interested too. I think there are more libraries with links for catalog enrichment, not only online ressources
13:33 sekjal jwagner: as I recall, that's the way mine displays, as well
13:33 jwagner The workaround I figured out was to put hardcopy & URL availability on separate lines
13:32 jwagner kf, was off on another screen, just saw this. sekjal, how does your fix work?
13:30 sekjal I'm glad it's something other folks are interested in; I'd whipped it up as an XSLT customization, and wasn't sure it would be universal enough to fold into Koha
13:30 kf sekjal: thx :)
13:30 kf catalog enrichment from our union catalog
13:29 kf we have a lot of urls in the record, urls to covers, reviews and tocs
13:29 sekjal kf: I'm doing some training today, but I'll have it ported over very soon.
13:29 kf sekjal: you would make me really happy - in fact it's the third of our three libraries complaining about that ...
13:28 sekjal just need to rebase it to the latest master (it's a few revisions back)
13:28 sekjal kf: I've got a patch for that
13:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability
13:28 kf jwagner: I have a library comlaining about bug 4385 - any news there?
13:07 magnus g'day jcamins
13:04 kf hi jcamins
13:03 owen Hi jcamins
12:57 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:47 magnus schuster: good for you ;-)
12:46 schuster wish I could join you but have 2 presentations Wednesday that I must get done!! and our office is under renovation so generally people can't find me anyway!
12:43 kf lol
12:43 magnus jwagner: even better
12:42 magnus kf: cool!
12:42 jwagner We have a nice big table in our conference room -- plenty of space for hiding :-)
12:42 kf magnus: we can use my coworkers desk too, enough room for 4 people
12:42 * jwagner will bring chocolate :-)
12:42 kf cookies... *sighs happily*
12:40 * jwagner proposes a group Monday hideout
12:38 magnus can i come too?
12:37 * druthb joins kf and jwagner, and brings cookies.
12:36 * jwagner joins kf
12:24 * kf goes and hides under her desk
12:24 kf it's monday...
12:24 kf so if the box shows I have no idea... just thinking loud.
12:24 kf you don't see information about waiting reserves for the borrower or open fines, you have to open the account for that information
12:23 kf at check-in
12:23 kf but perhaps hlt has some more features
12:23 owen ?
12:23 kf i think you only see if items were overdue
12:23 kf hm you never see if there are waiting reserves for the borrower (although this would be nice) and fines
12:22 owen I guess I'll reply and ask
12:22 owen It does
12:22 kf never worked with chrome, but that's what I thought
12:21 kf the message box
12:21 kf perhaps that the message does not come up?
12:21 owen Does anyone know what Jo meant when she said on the list "Chrome interface does not 'show' reserves when items are being checked in"
12:19 magnus hiya druthb, owen et al
12:17 kf hi druthb and owen :)
12:04 owen Hi everyone
12:04 druthb howdy, #koha. :)
12:04 jwagner or at the root level
12:03 magnus and there is supposed to be a backup somewhere
12:02 magnus thanks! at least it wasn't "rm -r *"
12:02 * jwagner sends much sympathy to magnus -- been there, done that...
11:59 * magnus did "rm *" in the wrong directory earlier today...
11:49 jwagner paul_p, I love my job, but I don't like Mondays....
11:48 kf suddenly appearing migration problems, not noticed for months (missing items) or such things
11:48 kf paul_p: I love my work too, but on mondays strange things tend to happen
11:46 paul_p kf & jwagner : does it mean you're not happy to go to work every day ? I am, so, monday, tuesday or saturday, i'm happy either (as we is for my family, which I love too, of course)
11:45 jwagner kf, I have thought for years that what we really need is a five-day weekend and a two-day workweek. But then Monday (or the equivalent) would be REALLY bad....
11:43 munin kf: Karma for "monday" has been increased 1 time and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -4.
11:43 kf @karma monday
11:43 kf monday--
07:19 indradg_ Amit, 3.00.06.010
07:17 Amit indradg: which version of koha r u using
07:16 magnus cool
07:16 indradg_ magnus, being in India... imho Google jackets cover more items than Amazon (for books)
07:15 indradg_ magnus, the bug only comes up in the Shelf browser... not for one-on-one opac queries
07:11 magnus hm, don't think i ever tried enabling Google Jackets...
07:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled
07:11 indradg_ magnus, ok! /me is running into bug 5138
07:10 magnus indradg_: sorry, i only have 3.01.00.061 and HEAD
07:08 indradg_ magnus, do you have a koha 3.0.6 install around?
06:58 * magnus wonders if anyone knows how http://fpl.apkn.org/ works - do all the libraries use koha as their main system, or are records federated from other systems into a union catalogue?
06:51 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0�C (8:50 AM CEST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:51 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
06:51 magnus hi Amit
06:51 kf :)
06:51 Amit heya magnus
06:51 magnus Guten Morgen, kf!
06:51 kf hi magnus
06:31 magnus g'day #koha
05:36 indradg_ hmmmm
05:36 Amit indradg_: it's running fine on master branch
05:35 indradg_ ok
05:32 Amit 3.0.6
05:32 indradg_ which version did you check against atm?
05:31 Amit i have to check this on another version of koha
05:31 indradg_ bugzilla has auto assigned owen... haven't seem him online yet
05:30 Amit yes
05:30 indradg_ Amit, ok! so this is replicable issue.... that good!
05:29 Amit same book cover comes
05:29 Amit indradg_: hmm i have the same problem
05:28 Amit heya kf
05:27 kf back :)
05:26 indradg_ Amit, yes
05:20 Amit indradg: same image of book on browse shelf
05:19 indradg_ ok
05:19 Amit i have to see
05:19 Amit wait
05:19 indradg_ any idea Amit ^^^
05:19 munin 04Bug 5138: normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled
05:19 indradg_ Amit, I ran into this issue yesterday - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138
05:16 Amit yes
05:16 indradg_ Amit, have you used GoogleJackets?
05:15 Amit heya indradg_
05:06 indradg_ Amit, morning
05:02 munin indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 33.0�C (10:20 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
05:02 indradg_ @wunder Kolkata
05:01 indradg_ chris, around?
04:55 cait time to go to work, bbl
04:52 indradg_ hi all... morning!
04:19 larsw hi, Amit
04:19 Amit heya larsw
04:18 chris heya larsw and Amit
04:18 larsw hi, chris :)
04:17 cait hi amit
04:17 Amit heya cait, chrisc
04:16 cait and vacation was too short
04:13 cait I can say it's too early
04:13 larsw :)
04:13 cait larsw ;)
04:13 cait hi lwars
04:13 larsw typing's hard
04:13 larsw er, cait
04:13 larsw hi, ciat
04:01 cait hi chris
04:01 chrisc hi cait
04:01 cait morning #koha
03:26 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 24.0�C (5:30 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa.
03:26 Amit @wunder Dehradun
03:26 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 29.0�C (8:30 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
03:26 Amit @wunder New Delhi
03:23 munin Amit: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command.
03:23 Amit @wounder Bangalore
03:23 Amit heya chris, brendan
02:14 chris that sounds like every week :)
02:13 chris_n this week is already becoming too short for my list
02:12 chris so far so good
02:12 chris_n how's monday going chris?
02:12 chris hiya chris_n
02:12 chris_n g'evening