Time Nick Message 02:12 chris_n g'evening 02:12 chris hiya chris_n 02:12 chris_n how's monday going chris? 02:12 chris so far so good 02:13 chris_n this week is already becoming too short for my list 02:14 chris that sounds like every week :) 03:23 Amit heya chris, brendan 03:23 Amit @wounder Bangalore 03:23 munin Amit: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command. 03:26 Amit @wunder New Delhi 03:26 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 29.0�C (8:30 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 03:26 Amit @wunder Dehradun 03:26 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 24.0�C (5:30 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa. 04:01 cait morning #koha 04:01 chrisc hi cait 04:01 cait hi chris 04:13 larsw hi, ciat 04:13 larsw er, cait 04:13 larsw typing's hard 04:13 cait hi lwars 04:13 cait larsw ;) 04:13 larsw :) 04:13 cait I can say it's too early 04:16 cait and vacation was too short 04:17 Amit heya cait, chrisc 04:17 cait hi amit 04:18 larsw hi, chris :) 04:18 chris heya larsw and Amit 04:19 Amit heya larsw 04:19 larsw hi, Amit 04:52 indradg_ hi all... morning! 04:55 cait time to go to work, bbl 05:01 indradg_ chris, around? 05:02 indradg_ @wunder Kolkata 05:02 munin indradg_: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 33.0�C (10:20 AM IST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 05:06 indradg_ Amit, morning 05:15 Amit heya indradg_ 05:16 indradg_ Amit, have you used GoogleJackets? 05:16 Amit yes 05:19 indradg_ Amit, I ran into this issue yesterday - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 05:19 munin 04Bug 5138: normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled 05:19 indradg_ any idea Amit ^^^ 05:19 Amit wait 05:19 Amit i have to see 05:19 indradg_ ok 05:20 Amit indradg: same image of book on browse shelf 05:26 indradg_ Amit, yes 05:27 kf back :) 05:28 Amit heya kf 05:29 Amit indradg_: hmm i have the same problem 05:29 Amit same book cover comes 05:30 indradg_ Amit, ok! so this is replicable issue.... that good! 05:30 Amit yes 05:31 indradg_ bugzilla has auto assigned owen... haven't seem him online yet 05:31 Amit i have to check this on another version of koha 05:32 indradg_ which version did you check against atm? 05:32 Amit 3.0.6 05:35 indradg_ ok 05:36 Amit indradg_: it's running fine on master branch 05:36 indradg_ hmmmm 06:31 magnus g'day #koha 06:51 kf hi magnus 06:51 magnus Guten Morgen, kf! 06:51 Amit heya magnus 06:51 kf :) 06:51 magnus hi Amit 06:51 magnus @wunder bodo, norway 06:51 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0�C (8:50 AM CEST on August 16, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 06:58 * magnus wonders if anyone knows how http://fpl.apkn.org/ works - do all the libraries use koha as their main system, or are records federated from other systems into a union catalogue? 07:08 indradg_ magnus, do you have a koha 3.0.6 install around? 07:10 magnus indradg_: sorry, i only have 3.01.00.061 and HEAD 07:11 indradg_ magnus, ok! /me is running into bug 5138 07:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled 07:11 magnus hm, don't think i ever tried enabling Google Jackets... 07:15 indradg_ magnus, the bug only comes up in the Shelf browser... not for one-on-one opac queries 07:16 indradg_ magnus, being in India... imho Google jackets cover more items than Amazon (for books) 07:16 magnus cool 07:17 Amit indradg: which version of koha r u using 07:19 indradg_ Amit, 3.00.06.010 11:43 kf monday-- 11:43 kf @karma monday 11:43 munin kf: Karma for "monday" has been increased 1 time and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -4. 11:45 jwagner kf, I have thought for years that what we really need is a five-day weekend and a two-day workweek. But then Monday (or the equivalent) would be REALLY bad.... 11:46 paul_p kf & jwagner : does it mean you're not happy to go to work every day ? I am, so, monday, tuesday or saturday, i'm happy either (as we is for my family, which I love too, of course) 11:48 kf paul_p: I love my work too, but on mondays strange things tend to happen 11:48 kf suddenly appearing migration problems, not noticed for months (missing items) or such things 11:49 jwagner paul_p, I love my job, but I don't like Mondays.... 11:59 * magnus did "rm *" in the wrong directory earlier today... 12:02 * jwagner sends much sympathy to magnus -- been there, done that... 12:02 magnus thanks! at least it wasn't "rm -r *" 12:03 magnus and there is supposed to be a backup somewhere 12:04 jwagner or at the root level 12:04 druthb howdy, #koha. :) 12:04 owen Hi everyone 12:17 kf hi druthb and owen :) 12:19 magnus hiya druthb, owen et al 12:21 owen Does anyone know what Jo meant when she said on the list "Chrome interface does not 'show' reserves when items are being checked in" 12:21 kf perhaps that the message does not come up? 12:21 kf the message box 12:22 kf never worked with chrome, but that's what I thought 12:22 owen It does 12:22 owen I guess I'll reply and ask 12:23 kf hm you never see if there are waiting reserves for the borrower (although this would be nice) and fines 12:23 kf i think you only see if items were overdue 12:23 owen ? 12:23 kf but perhaps hlt has some more features 12:23 kf at check-in 12:24 kf you don't see information about waiting reserves for the borrower or open fines, you have to open the account for that information 12:24 kf so if the box shows I have no idea... just thinking loud. 12:24 kf it's monday... 12:24 * kf goes and hides under her desk 12:36 * jwagner joins kf 12:37 * druthb joins kf and jwagner, and brings cookies. 12:38 magnus can i come too? 12:40 * jwagner proposes a group Monday hideout 12:42 kf cookies... *sighs happily* 12:42 * jwagner will bring chocolate :-) 12:42 kf magnus: we can use my coworkers desk too, enough room for 4 people 12:42 jwagner We have a nice big table in our conference room -- plenty of space for hiding :-) 12:42 magnus kf: cool! 12:43 magnus jwagner: even better 12:43 kf lol 12:46 schuster wish I could join you but have 2 presentations Wednesday that I must get done!! and our office is under renovation so generally people can't find me anyway! 12:47 magnus schuster: good for you ;-) 12:57 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:03 owen Hi jcamins 13:04 kf hi jcamins 13:07 magnus g'day jcamins 13:28 kf jwagner: I have a library comlaining about bug 4385 - any news there? 13:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability 13:28 sekjal kf: I've got a patch for that 13:28 sekjal just need to rebase it to the latest master (it's a few revisions back) 13:29 kf sekjal: you would make me really happy - in fact it's the third of our three libraries complaining about that ... 13:29 sekjal kf: I'm doing some training today, but I'll have it ported over very soon. 13:29 kf we have a lot of urls in the record, urls to covers, reviews and tocs 13:30 kf catalog enrichment from our union catalog 13:30 kf sekjal: thx :) 13:30 sekjal I'm glad it's something other folks are interested in; I'd whipped it up as an XSLT customization, and wasn't sure it would be universal enough to fold into Koha 13:32 jwagner kf, was off on another screen, just saw this. sekjal, how does your fix work? 13:33 jwagner The workaround I figured out was to put hardcopy & URL availability on separate lines 13:33 sekjal jwagner: as I recall, that's the way mine displays, as well 13:33 kf sekjal: I am sure others are interested too. I think there are more libraries with links for catalog enrichment, not only online ressources 13:52 greenmang hello friends... http://zoom.z3950.org/bind/perl/ this site lists a perl binding for searching LoC online catalogue, can anybody tell me what does "@attr 1=7" means? 13:54 greenmang i just found that @attr 1=7 is used for ISBN number... but why 7 is used for ISBN or why 4 is used for Book Title or 1003 for Author name? is it a standard? where can I find it? 13:58 magnus greenmang: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html 13:59 magnus greenmang: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html 14:00 magnus one of those areas where library data gets really obscure... 14:05 wasabi nice magnus - i dont think ive every seen that BIB-1 doc before 14:06 magnus i don't know how i would live without it... ;-) 14:06 greenmang magnus: thanks a lot :) 14:09 wasabi lol, the marc spec's are so crazy... - the 'identifiers' especially 14:11 magnus yep, time to put a lot of this tech out of it's suffering and start using modern tools/formats etc! :-) 14:11 wasabi cataloguing using them correctly, and coding to handle them correctly in the marc-editor is really difficult 14:11 wasabi yes please! 14:12 wasabi someone described RDA to me recently, saying the final (and most difficult) part of the spec was incomplete... 14:14 wasabi it sounded like the RDA-spec team still had doubts to whether the final part was even do-able 14:15 briceSanc hi all ! 14:15 wasabi (that's how it was explained to me - by an v. experienced cataloger ) 14:20 magnus wasabi: RDA sounds like the worst kind of design-by-committee... 14:20 * magnus signs off before blood preassure starts to rise... ;-) 15:04 owen Hi collum 15:05 collum Hi owen 15:10 kf hi collum 15:14 collum Good Morning, almost afternoon, kf. 15:14 kf not almost :) 15:14 owen Almost evening kf? :) 15:15 kf yep 15:15 kf 5 pm 15:16 kf 5:24 15:16 kf so time to leave and go home - bye all :) 15:17 owen Another questionable "open source" label? http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15003 15:19 owen No mention that it's Windows-only. No mention of version control 15:19 jcamins Isn't gist the name of a Linux installer stack? 15:21 jcamins Also, aren't you not supposed to use CC for source code? 15:23 jcamins Sorry, I was thinking of yast. 15:23 briceSanc what is the best Authorities script to import marc records : bulkauthimport.pl or bulkmarcimport.pl ? 15:23 briceSanc for koha 3.2beta 15:25 owen jcamins: Did you see a reference to CC? 15:26 owen briceSanc: I think bulkmarcimport. I'm not sure bulkauthimport works if I remember correctly 15:26 owen I've used bulkmarcimport to import authorities successfully 15:27 briceSanc and how you manage duplicates ? 15:27 owen Sorry briceSanc, I've only run tests. I don't have experience with duplicates 15:27 briceSanc ok 15:27 * owen is not an actual authorities user, just plays one when testing 15:28 briceSanc no problems 15:28 jcamins owen: I downloaded the source. 15:28 owen From where? 15:28 briceSanc thank you 15:28 wasabi GIST -> 'Access to your ILLiad web server (written on .net framework, so GIST will work for OCLC hosted sites)' 15:28 wasabi http://toolkit.idsproject.org/doku.php?id=wiki:gist 15:29 wasabi or is that req. just for 'GIST for ILLiad Webpages' 15:29 jcamins Yep. That's where I downloaded it from. 15:30 wasabi looks like GIST runs on win-fail.. :/ 15:32 wasabi ...and a current OCLC-iliad account? 15:34 wasabi still looks interesting tho 15:35 jcamins wasabi: I'm not sure those two things can be counted against it too harshly. After all, if you are an ILLIAD customer who needs to do whatever it does on Windows, why should you be expected to develop something cross-platform. 15:36 wasabi sure, i agree ;) 15:36 wasabi its worth looking at to see how someone else does an acq. workflow 16:23 OpenUser Good Afternoon. "Checked out to" on the Holding screen. Does anyone know why this would dissappear when I upgrade Koha and how I might get it back? 16:23 OpenUser Sorry,. in the STATUS row 16:23 wizzyrea perhaps there is a syspref? 16:23 OpenUser I did try looking but can't see one! 16:23 wizzyrea what did you upgrade to? 16:23 OpenUser 3.06 16:29 cait hi #koha 16:30 OpenUser hi 16:38 owen Hmm... interesting function name in the javascript calendar library we're using, "continuation_for_the_fucking_khtml_browser" 16:40 jcamins Wow. 16:40 wizzyrea lol! 16:40 wizzyrea nerd rage! 16:41 owen Who else but a nerd would get enraged so? :) 16:43 cfouts I can't even type that without gritting my teeth in sympathy 16:43 cait :) 16:44 * collum now wants to do a recursive grep for dirty words 16:44 * wizzyrea giggles 16:46 briceSanc do you know if authorities are import in Koha-DB or Zebra-DB 16:46 briceSanc ? 16:47 JeremyLC find . -type f -exec grep -Hi "#$%^" "{}" \; 16:49 jcamins briceSanc: Zebra extracts authority data from the Koha database. 16:54 briceSanc jcamins, they take place in import_records table ? 16:54 jcamins briceSanc: I've never tried importing authority records, so I'm not sure. 16:55 briceSanc ok 16:55 briceSanc ;) 17:27 indradg_ owen, ping 17:27 owen Hi 17:27 indradg_ owen, saw your patch 17:28 indradg_ going to test it now 17:43 jcamins Hm. I think this might be a bug. When I duplicate a 773 field, and try to add a subfield 'g' to the field I just created, it adds a subfield g to the original 773 field. 17:48 cait it definitely sounds like a bug 18:02 briceSanc someone could help with the script bulkmarcimport.pl and the option -match ? 18:04 jcamins briceSanc: I could not get -match to work for me. Probably you want to use the stage_biblios_file.pl and commit_biblios_file.pl scripts. 18:05 jcamins Unless you're still importing authorities, in which case I have no idea how to do it. 18:09 aarkerio hi! how can add a new "admin" user ? 18:10 owen Add a new patron and and change their permissions 18:10 aarkerio I created a Personal->Staff user but I get Error: Unauthorized user 18:10 owen The type of patron doesn't matter, only the permissions 18:10 briceSanc jcamins, i still importing authorities and -match does work on my script. 18:10 aarkerio there is no "Admin" patron? 18:10 briceSanc si i continue to search... 18:11 jcamins aarkerio: you have to set the permissions. 18:12 ebegin aarkerio, do you have access to your installation directory? If so, look for <user> in the etc/koha-conf.xml file 18:14 ebegin the one in the <config> section is your admin username with the <pass> just after. 18:15 ebegin You can use it to create your first account. And then, as jcamins suggest, create your own user with the superlibrarian permissions 18:15 aarkerio ebegin, No, I mean I want to create new accounts for library staff 18:15 aarkerio I created "Admin" categorie but I can not found permission screen 18:16 ebegin More » Set Permissions 18:16 ebegin (in the user account) 18:17 ebegin aarkerio, Got it? 18:18 aarkerio There is no "More->Set Permissions" option in More menu 18:19 owen aarkerio: Do you have the patron's record open on the screen? 18:20 owen You're not looking for the "more" menu item at the very top of the page, but the "more" toolbar button which is alongside the "edit," "change password," etc. buttons 18:20 aarkerio I see "Patron Category Administration" and I created a new "Admin" catgory in "Personal" 18:21 owen aarkerio: Forget about patron categories 18:21 owen Do a patron search for the patron you want to be an administrator 18:21 owen Click that patron's name to view the record 18:21 owen Then look for the "more" menu button in the button toolbar on that page 18:22 ebegin aarkerio, this will help you : http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5732 18:24 aarkerio thanks for your help, but I wanna create an "Admin" rol and add the new users so the permissions are in the "heritance" 18:24 owen aarkerio: You can't do that. It's not how it works. 18:25 aarkerio I don't wanna edit user by user until finish 30 users 18:25 aarkerio there is no ACL in Koha? 18:26 cait you don't need a user for every staff member, you can also use group logins, if you like that better 18:27 owen aarkerio: Permissions are attached to a user, not a category 18:27 cait one patron for more than one person 18:27 owen aarkerio: You could also update a group of patron's permissions directly in MySQL if you needed to do a bulk modification 18:28 aarkerio ok, thx a lot!! 18:28 ebegin aarkerio, or there is the Import User features in the Tools module allowing you to import user from a csv file 18:30 aarkerio I will review http://search.cpan.org/~iroberts/Solaris-ACL-0.06/ACL.pm and see how difficult is implement Acces Control Lists in perl 18:30 owen aarkerio: Feel free to add an RFC to the wiki if you develop a plan to add the feature to Koha 18:32 aarkerio I'm a python coder and I am little rusty on Perl so I will check, thx to all! 19:48 indradg_ owen, around? 19:48 owen Yes 19:48 indradg_ owen, working nicely! http://opac.wbsub.ac.in/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=14463&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=15#shelfbrowser 19:48 indradg_ :) 19:50 owen Great! 19:54 Flanagan My cataloger needs some instruction in importing OCLC records into Koha. Can someone direct me, please? 20:26 wizzyrea Flanagan: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=c7165#AEN7171 20:26 wizzyrea may help you 20:27 wizzyrea flanagan also: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x5033 20:28 * chris says hi from the airport 20:28 brendan hi chris_airport 20:29 wizzyrea hey chris 20:30 Flanagan I'll check those out. Thanks. 20:34 * chris is off to christchurch for the day to do some koha work at the spinal unit of the hospital 20:34 chris They are long time koha users 20:34 wizzyrea ooh, fun 20:34 cait hi chris 20:34 chris Hiya cait 20:35 cait have a nice day in christchurch :) 20:35 chris Thank you 20:36 cait ok, bed time - bye all :) 20:38 chris Ok boarding time to switch the phone off 21:20 JeremyLC Is it possible to use Koha without using MARC? I saw, through some searching, that that feature ell by the wayside a couple years back, but I couldn't find weather it ever made it back in. 21:23 sekjal JeremyLC: no, I don't believe it did 21:23 sekjal it would be great to allow for other metadata formats than MARC, but it would be a bear to get Zebra to be able digest them 21:23 JeremyLC I'm not seeing how to do cataloguing without using MARC records 21:24 JeremyLC "Yes Koha was originally designed to be used without MARC. As MARC support was added this functionality was lost. Its something I definitely want to add back. At least the ability to not ever have to see MARC, even if it is being used in the background" - Chris Cormack 21:25 JeremyLC guess we'll have to sort out what to do with the MARC records, then 21:26 sekjal the interface could certainly be modified to hide MARC from the user 21:27 JeremyLC I think we just need to setup some pared-down frameworks for our materials 21:28 JeremyLC the default "new framework" has a mind bending 15+ pages of fields 21:47 darling JeremyLC, chris is out of the office today or he'd probably have you a response by now 21:47 wizzyrea hm, can someone tell me which marc field the pubdate sort is sorting on? 21:47 wizzyrea when you search in the opac? 22:08 JeremyLC I'll try to catch him later. Time for me to leave my office now, too.