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21:43 rhcl_away brendan
20:39 jcamins Have a good weekend, #koha
20:23 pianohack chris: around?
20:19 owen Have a good weekend everyone
19:55 cait some days back somone was asking about a biblio bulk delete feature here on irc
19:54 cait I like the idea too
19:54 pianohack owen: Ahh, that's a good idea
19:54 jcamins pianohack: I cannot entirely remember why, but two days ago I was wishing that Koha would do that for me.
19:54 owen I'd rather see it happen as a second stage: "The following records have no remaining items..."
19:53 pianohack Thoughts?
19:53 pianohack For our library, at least, this is less than optimal. Thinking of sending a patch to automatically delete the bib if necessary
19:53 pianohack I've noticed that it does not delete the biblio if you delete the last item
19:53 * owen has only tested it
19:52 pianohack Anyone else here that uses the new fancy batch item delete tool?
19:51 * cait has cookies :)
19:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4238 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, OPAC timeout feature for patron privacy
19:49 jwagner well, owen, we wrote an OPAC timeout feature (Bug 4238) -- wouldn't be too hard to add a visible clock on the page :-)
19:48 owen MUST... SEARCH... FASTER!
19:48 owen Oh, and the other LOC catalog feature we should copy is the menacing session timeout clock in the title bar
19:44 owen Computer: Deactivate holodeck safety protocols!
19:44 pianohack Poor thing's lost admin rights anyway
19:44 pianohack Hahahahaha
19:44 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
19:44 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
19:44 pianohack @roulette
19:43 cait :)
19:41 munin jwagner: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 01:02 PM, June 21, 2010)
19:41 jwagner @quote random
19:39 munin owen: Quote #31: "<@gmcharlt> but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;)" (added by chris at 07:31 PM, September 02, 2009)
19:39 owen @quote random
19:36 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded. Quote #88 added.
19:36 jwagner @quote add <owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac
19:32 cait :)
19:32 owen I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac
19:31 jcamins You had to create a branch and patch, in addition to changing that one character, after all.
19:29 jcamins Heh. I'm still impressed.
19:28 * owen collapses
19:28 owen I had to change one whole character!
19:27 jcamins owen: That was fast!
19:23 cait too late :)
19:23 cait hi chris
19:21 * chris ventures out in the rain to go get kahu from his sleepover
19:20 chris needs coffee apparently
19:20 chris heh
19:20 * chris
19:13 jcamins Argh! I keep on forgetting that the default for the Bugzilla is enhancement.
19:12 chris turns out, there arent that many, just the patron images
19:11 chris the idea was to have all the sysprefs associated with label,barcode creating etc be there
19:10 chris basically its for stuff you upload
19:10 pianohack Why a tab just for that?
19:10 chris at the moment just patron images
19:10 jcamins I have no idea.
19:09 pianohack What is the creators tab, anyway?
19:09 jcamins Thanks.
19:09 owen Confirmed.
19:08 jcamins Strange bug: when I'm on the Creators syspref tab, the tab is not highlighted. The highlighting seems to work on all the other tabs, though. Can anyone confirm this bug before I report it?
19:00 jwagner Sigh
19:00 owen Koha moves on
18:59 jwagner It worked when I sent it....
18:59 jwagner Figures.
18:58 owen jwagner: That patch no longer applies.
18:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4819 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Add ID tags to certain areas of OPAC so jquery can be used to hide them
18:53 jwagner owen, Bug 4819
18:53 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.2�C (11:58 AM PDT on August 06, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
18:53 brendan @wunder 93117
18:52 owen Hi chris
18:51 chris morning
18:51 owen jwagner: Is there a bug report for that?
18:46 jwagner I did a patch a while back, I think, to put some codes around that line, don't think it's been pushed yet.
18:46 jwagner owen, that might work. They only asked for it if there were no results, but I couldn't figure out how to put it on the No results match your search for X in Y catalog line.
18:46 * owen should add that to the wiki
18:46 owen ..figuring that the patron may have gotten some results but not the ones they wanted
18:45 pianohack I know some jQuery, if owen isn't around :)
18:45 owen jwagner: At my library we use "$(".searchresults").after()" so that the suggestions link appears whether or not there are no results
18:45 jwagner But maybe if I already have it on my cheat sheet....
18:45 brendan awh shucks
18:45 jwagner brendan, my to-do pile is out of control already :-)
18:44 jwagner hi |Lupin|
18:44 brendan s/what/want
18:44 brendan what to figure out another one?
18:44 |Lupin| hi Jane :)
18:44 brendan jwagner - you're on a roll
18:42 jwagner ("strong:contains('No Result found!')").replaceWith("No Result found! Please log in to your account to make a purchase suggestion.");
18:42 jwagner owen will be proud of me -- just figured out yet another jquery variation without having to ask :-)
18:28 |Lupin| pianohack: yeah not difficult to imagine !
18:27 pianohack So happy to have it back
18:27 pianohack Yes. Back to normal, thanks to my mom's rehab efforts
18:27 |Lupin| pianohack: your hand must be completely healed now, right ?
18:26 |Lupin| what a beautiful upgrade !
18:26 pianohack yeah, they upgraded
18:26 |Lupin| seven characters ? how about tab... ?
18:26 |Lupin| new IRC server ?
18:26 |Lupin| ohoh
18:25 pianohack There's a length limit on this new irc server, and I seem to be the only one that can type more than seven characters at a stretch
18:25 owen Someone took away his character quota ;)
18:25 |Lupin| pianohack: weren't you called pianohackER in the past ?
18:25 pianohack Yes, parents :)
18:25 pianohack Oh, wow. Congratulations
18:25 |Lupin| pianohack: everybody uses this one now, except my parents
18:25 |Lupin| pianohack: yeah Sherab is my monk name
18:24 pianohack It's changed? (At least I got the old one right)
18:24 |Lupin| pianohack: very good to see you too !
18:24 |Lupin| pianohack: it was Sébastien, which can also be written Sebastien, but nos it's Shérab or Sherab :)
18:23 |Lupin| hello Jesse !
18:23 pianohack Anyway, good to see you
18:23 pianohack I blame it on the fact that my town can't remember it has an ñ in its name
18:22 pianohack Hi, Sébastien (Sebastién? SébástÃéñ? Curse you accent)
18:22 |Lupin| owen: I'm sorry but I'm not even here to have Koha discussions, just to talk with friends :-)
18:22 |Lupin| owen: well too, thanks !
18:21 owen I'm well, how are you?
18:21 |Lupin| owen: how are you ?
18:21 |Lupin| hello owen !
18:21 owen Hi |Lupin|, it's been a while
18:13 |Lupin| hi
17:39 jwagner Sure beats hardcoding changes in masthead.inc, which is what I did a few times before finding this snippet!
17:35 jcamins Ooh, Ask A Librarian can go up there too, now.
17:31 jwagner I cannot tell a lie, I stole it from previously existing LL systems. Which means it probably originated with owen :-)
17:31 jcamins Thanks.
17:31 jcamins That's really cool.
17:31 jcamins Yay!
17:29 jwagner Yes, I was assuming you already had the opening/closing lines.
17:29 owen }):
17:29 owen ...
17:29 owen $(document).ready(function(){
17:29 jcamins That would be what I'm doing wrong.
17:28 owen Are you putting that inside $(document).ready() ?
17:28 jcamins Hm. I must be doing something wrong.
17:24 jwagner using .append rather than .prepend would add them at the end -- you'd want to move the pipe placement.
17:23 jwagner $("#moresearches").prepend("<a href=\"http://myhomepage.com\">Library Home</a> <span class='pipe'> | </span> <a href=\"/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl\">Basic Search</a> <span class='pipe'> | </span> ");
17:23 jwagner This will add a couple of links at the beginning of that line:
17:22 jwagner Lemme look it up
17:22 jwagner There's a jquery statement that can add stuff there
17:22 jcamins I can do that?
17:22 jwagner jcamins, why not add your link into the masthead, next to where Advanced Search, Tag Cloud, etc. show up?
17:16 owen jcamins: There are a few instances where OpacNav doesn't show up, including the advanced search page
17:15 cait hm good idea
17:13 jcamins Exactly. I think I'll put that link on opaccredits, since OpacNav really doesn't show up on the Advanced search page.
17:12 cait I'd like to link a help file from the advance search page
17:11 cait hm, depends on what you use it for
17:11 jcamins Really you'd think that the Navbar should show up on the Advanced search screen, though, wouldn't you?
17:10 jcamins I don't think we care that much.
17:10 cait hm, I don't think its possible by configuration
17:09 jcamins If it's easy, anyway.
17:08 jcamins Yeah, OpacNav. We want it to show up on the advanced search screen, too.
17:07 cait the navbar sys pref?
17:03 jcamins In the OPAC.
17:03 jcamins Is there any way to make the navbar show up on the advanced search screen?
16:57 jcamins Hehe.
16:55 cait we can reduce the bug talk: http://spedr.com/5b5t6
16:50 owen What there is too little of is *actual* dessert. Enough talk!
16:49 jcamins Well, perhaps.
16:49 owen Bugs and dessert. Dessert and bugs. And the weather.
16:49 owen Really? It seems like it's all we talk about!
16:49 cait lol
16:49 jcamins ;)
16:48 * jcamins agrees with cait: there is entirely too little dessert on #koha
16:48 cait *sighs*
16:48 cait cookies...
16:48 cait ice cream...
16:32 * jwagner is off to enjoy it
16:32 jwagner speaking of lunch, one of the nice things about working from home is that I can decide to have a bowl of ice cream instead of the horribly healthy stuff I normally pack in my take-to-the-office lunch.
16:30 cait sekjal: it would be great if you could do that, I can add what we need and perhaps work on some small things and testing
16:29 sekjal I think accomplishing that may be dependant on me eating lunch first, though. brb
16:26 sekjal I should really get my specs up on the wiki... I just want to be sure they're as intelligible as possible first
16:26 sekjal I think this, like hourly loans, may be one of those big projects for everyone in the Koha community who's interested to throw time/effort at
16:24 cait we have no money to pay a real developer - so it's me working on this :)
16:24 cait ah
16:24 sekjal at when you think of what can be practically accomplished for the time and money available
16:24 cait over-spec?
16:24 cait I m a bit tired today :)
16:24 sekjal I think I may tend to over-spec
16:23 sekjal cait: yes
16:23 cait bounded? bound... you know what I mean...
16:23 cait and I'm not sure I would be able to
16:23 cait our libraries don't use koha for cataloging, only for management of items. they are cataloging in our union catalog - so we don't plan to add that
16:23 pianohack owen: yes, I think
16:22 cait sometimes you have two works bound together
16:22 sekjal and yes, we'd need that search option like we have for authorities records
16:22 cait ah, the passthrough would come in handy for bounded volumes too
16:21 sekjal analytics would get it, other relationships wouldn't need it
16:21 cait sounds good to me
16:21 sekjal cait: yeah, the passthrough would be configurable depending on the relationship in question
16:21 owen pianohack: Eliminate opac-MARCdetail.pl?
16:21 cait and for works with volumes, there is a record for the work, and records for every volume
16:21 cait we have hierarchies not only for analytics, but also for traced series
16:21 pianohack owen: Well, librarians at other libraries are patrons too. But yes, the MARC view's use is limited. My vote would be to keep the raw MARC view for copypasta purposes and eliminate the fancy ones on the OPAC side
16:21 cait ah, for us its not about the items
16:20 cait I think the catalog need an addition similar to adding authorities, but search catalog and add 001 or biblionumber to record
16:20 sekjal that is, items attached to the biblios lower in the hierarchy show up as items for the biblios higher up
16:20 cait item passthrough?
16:20 cait sekjal: German catalogs have had hierarchies forever
16:19 sekjal one of the things in my spec is 'item passthrough'
16:19 sekjal cait: ah, 001 makes sense, too
16:19 cait sekjal: we use 001
16:19 cait sekjal: yep, thats the next step in my project. I wanted to add some jQuery too. To show information about the linked titles on the record and a link as fallback
16:19 owen Yes pianohack. What I find interesting is that no one is making a case for the patron's need for a MARC view
16:18 jcamins pianohack: I studied Scottish paleography for a while, so I knew that letter.
16:18 sekjal the work of getting the 773$w fields in there, though... I assume copy/paste of the appropriate biblionumber?
16:18 sekjal cait: yeah, most of the display work could be managed by XSLT
16:17 pianohack owen: I think my response to your email managed to be semi-coherent, at least :)
16:17 pianohack jcamins: Have you learned the uppercase ß yet?
16:16 * jcamins confesses he doesn't know any German, although he's starting to recognize a word here and there. Such as "gesamtkunstwerk."
16:15 * jwagner is refraining from comment on German plus not human readable :-) I had enough trouble trying to learn to SPEAK German -- reading it was even worse....
16:09 cait my specs are German and not really human readable at the moment, so they need some work before I could share them.
16:07 cait sekjal: we have all those $w links and hierarchical records in our data from the union catalog. our library really needs the links to show in opac and staff. but it has been a time problem for me
16:04 jwagner Right now I'm at the "ask them for more info" stage, but trying to rule out the obvious, like the zebra delay.
16:04 jwagner The steps they describe are (1) create item, complete with autogenerated barcode, (2) create batch in label creator & print it, (3) go to circ, checkout & try to check it out. At that point, entering the barcode pulls up a different title/item record -- same barcode assigned to different item/title.
16:03 jcamins I am thinking about my experiences on tech support, and that sort of thing would happen all the time "oh, yeah, there was that problem, but we fixed it."
16:02 jwagner It doesn't help that the person who's actually been experiencing the problem wasn't the one describing/demonstrating it to me :-(
16:02 jcamins jwagner: could they be getting the warning and automatically fixing it, after printing labels (we don't use Koha's barcode generation at all, so I don't really know anything about how it works)?
16:01 owen My caveat is generic, since there's no way for me to know.
16:01 jwagner I don't know. I think in some cases they are, but other cases it doesn't seem to happen. But we haven't touched that code at all with any of our features.
16:00 owen Then why aren't your librarians getting a duplicate barcode warning?
15:59 jwagner (and owen, non-standard codebase has nothing to do with the problem....)
15:59 jwagner chris_n, that sounds more like what's happening. I've asked them to gather me some more info, like asking other staff if they're cataloging at the same time.
15:59 chris_n ok, bye for real this time ;-)
15:59 chris_n joe started to work toward a fix, but did not get far iirc
15:58 chris_n the whole barcode autogeneration code stinks at present imho
15:58 owen Unless she's dealing with an issue we can't know about because of her non-standard codebase
15:58 chris_n before the record will save
15:58 owen So that's not what jwagner's problem is.
15:58 chris_n one then has to backup and fix it
15:57 chris_n owen: it does
15:57 owen Wonders if Koha wouldn't simply warn of a duplicate barcode in that case?
15:57 * chris_n wishes everyone a good weekend
15:56 cait jcamins: what I don't appreciate is the lack of time to work on that project :(
15:56 chris_n jwagner: and the problem described in the comment at line 89 has happened more than once here
15:56 cait jcamins: I do :)
15:56 cait sekjal: I also have xslt code done by my boss - I kind of inherited this project from him
15:56 chris_n I think that trumps all other code
15:55 chris_n jwagner: see here -> http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=cataloguing/value_builder/barcode.pl;h=e21105b3ff89059003d2aa6dcbc049bdc040de88;hb=HEAD#l88
15:55 cait I have one more patch adding the fields to the German frameworks - they were not added to koha when I started to work on it
15:55 sekjal cait: I'll take a look
15:55 cait I sent most patches, and they are on the bug too
15:55 jcamins My friend is still introducing himself to the Koha codebase, but I thought you might appreciate the thought that you're not alone.
15:54 sekjal cait: awesome!
15:54 cait perhaps we can talk about it sometime, I started work on it, changed the frameworks and added an index for $w fields, this dev is done
15:54 sekjal 773 being an example of a common one
15:54 sekjal the goal being to allow us to link two bibliographic records together in user-configurable relationships
15:54 cait cool
15:53 sekjal cait: I'm working on some specs for that kinda development, too
15:53 jcamins cait: a friend of mine has indicated that he might potentially be willing to tackle at least some of the linking issues in 7xx and 8xx fields.
15:53 jwagner I see some reference in the value builder script
15:53 * chris_n looks quickly
15:53 jwagner Yikes!
15:53 chris_n jwagner: there is another section of code as well
15:52 * jwagner wishes chris_n and his wife another happy 16 years at least!
15:52 jwagner Yes, C4/Barcodes.pm has quite different-looking code -- I'm not quite following it, but it still seems to be just incrementing the existing highest value.
15:52 * chris_n quites ranting and heads off to spend the weekend with is wife on their 16th anniversary
15:52 cait jcamins: I checked my specs - yes, wanted to work on 773. we have $w fields in there with links to the other record
15:51 chris_n the whole plugin logic needs to be reworked
15:50 * chris_n has not been there in quite some time
15:50 chris_n iirc
15:50 jwagner Thanks -- wanted to rule out the zebra catchup delay as a possible factor.
15:50 chris_n well, you'll need to check the plugin code as well
15:50 jwagner then increment it by one.
15:50 jwagner select max( abs( barcode ) ) from items"
15:50 jwagner chris_n, yes, I think I found the relevant code in C4/Form/Additem.pm
15:50 chris_n so zebra really has no bearing on the next barcode value
15:49 ebegin I'm looking at the code right now
15:49 chris_n jwagner: the code just does a select max on the barcode column iirc
15:49 ebegin chris_n, yeah, that what I'm looking for.,
15:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w
15:49 cait bug 4506 is involved
15:49 jcamins Yup, even the official name for the 773 field sounds ominous.
15:49 chris_n ebegin: so you "might" be able to write a plugin to do that
15:48 cait I have no special bug report for 773 - is this host item something?
15:48 chris_n ebegin: autoBarcode follows it
15:48 chris_n ebegin: there is a somewhat broken plugin system
15:48 jcamins Actually, what I was thinking was "won't cait be happy when she hears that I found someone who might be interested in dealing with analytics!"
15:47 jcamins cait: I was thinking all good things about you.
15:47 cait let me check
15:47 cait thinking about me sounded nice--- until I reached the 773's :)
15:46 jcamins cait: I was just thinking about you. Have you filed any bug reports about linking on 773s?
15:42 ebegin concerning barcode, is there a way to force a prefix? I would like my barcode to have 8 digits, prefixed with zeros
15:42 owen to confirm that, you have to look at where in the code the barcode is getting auto-generated
15:40 jwagner I wanted to confirm that the autobarcode piece (the incrementing number) doesn't require zebra to catch up -- it just checks what the last highest number was & goes from there.
15:39 jwagner owen, I was trying to test it with them just now, will keep trying. It doesn't happen every time.
15:39 jwagner (Correction). They notice that the barcode belongs to a different item/title when they try to check it out, not at the label stage.
15:39 owen Open up two sessions and create items on the same record
15:38 jwagner I don't know of any way the same barcode can get assigned to a different item.
15:38 owen jwagner: Why not test it?
15:38 jwagner My theory is that they are in item creation but haven't saved yet, and in the meantime someone else is creating an item that grabs the same barcode. Is that possible?
15:37 jwagner The autobarcode in itself shouldn't require zebra to catch up with the new item, right?
15:37 jwagner One of my sites has autobarcode on (increment). They are saying that sometimes when they create an item with a barcode, use the label designer to print the barcode, then try to check it out, the barcode has changed.
15:37 jcamins :D
15:37 jcamins Wait, sorry. I got confused by the puzzler.
15:37 jcamins Hi, we're back, it's Click and Clack the Tapper Brothers...
15:36 jwagner got another puzzler for you all, to make your Friday more interesting :-)
14:22 sekjal egad, I really don't want to think of the complexities that holds will introduce into this whole testing process...
14:17 jwag_mtg In themselves, yes. But after about the second or third of the day, my brain turns to mush, so it's questionable how much I (a) contributed or (b) remembered....
14:17 sekjal jwag_mtg: ugh. that's horrid. hopefully they were informative/productive meetings...
14:16 jwag_mtg At least there's only two scheduled today. Yesterday I had four scheduled and one unscheduled meeting. When am I supposed to get any WORK done???
14:16 * jwag_mtg has to run off to the next meeting now....
14:15 sekjal gladly :)
14:15 jwag_mtg But very useful. Thanks.
14:14 sekjal my testing at this point is purely descriptive
14:13 sekjal makes it easier to determine if the code 'works'
14:13 sekjal yeah, I'd like to see a spec on what the intended behaviour options are and how to set them
14:13 sekjal changing HomeorHoldingBranchReturn to 'home' does not change the behaviour I just described
14:13 jwag_mtg So maybe the simpler fix would be to make the checkin obey AutomaticItemReturn?
14:12 owen I still don't understand why these cases shouldn't be covered by the AutomaticItemReturn preference.
14:11 owen sekjal: It would help if we knew what the two options were *supposed* to do
14:11 sekjal but it does change the holding branch to Library B
14:11 sekjal checking in a book from Library A whilst at Library B yields no message (with HomeorHoldingBranchReturn = holding)
14:10 jwag_mtg Anyway, thanks for testing. If I can get our dev team to free up some time, I'll get them to put this on one of our servers & check it too.
14:10 jwag_mtg Oh, darn :-)
14:10 sekjal not volunteering to do this project, mind you
14:09 sekjal providing a matrix where libraries can configure these behaviours to their liking
14:09 sekjal this is starting to look to me like a situation where we may want to pull this out of sysprefs, and into it's own Admin page
14:08 sekjal ::shrug::
14:08 jwag_mtg Why doesn't AutomaticItemReturn make it work properly?
14:06 sekjal HomeOrHoldingBranch, CircControl, AutomaticItemReturn, and now HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn
14:05 sekjal there are way too many system preferences that seem like they should be factored into this
14:05 sekjal I'm not sure the intention of the syspref in that regard, but I believe that that is a fair statement
14:04 jwag_mtg But the theory would be that if the syspref is set to home branch, and an item is not checked out to a patron but is floating around the ether, so to speak, is found & checked in at a different branch, it should trigger the transfer warning?
14:03 sekjal or, in one case so far, a third checkin is required to get the item to 'settle down'
14:03 sekjal which in some cases trigger a transfer message, resulting in a second checkin
14:03 sekjal I've been testing checkout/checkin scenarios
14:02 sekjal jwag_mtg: depends on the setting of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn, I believe
14:02 jwag_mtg sekjal, so if an item is not checked out but is run through checkin at other than its owning branch, does it now trigger the transfer warning?
14:01 * jwag_mtg checks back in between meetings
13:55 sekjal checking in at B clears it, and item rests with homebranch = A, holdingbranch = B
13:55 sekjal checking in again changes the message to return to B, transit message stays the same
13:55 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5099 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Avanced Search page unavailable when OpacGroupResults is used
13:55 briceSanc bug 5099
13:54 sekjal first a message to return to A, and it's marked in transit A to B.
13:54 sekjal checkout B, return A => kind of messed up
13:54 sekjal checkout B, return B => no message
13:53 sekjal checkout A, return B => msg: transfer to A
13:53 sekjal next round of testing: homeorholdingbranch = home, homeorholdingbranchreturn = holding
13:46 tcohen (using zebra of course, from the staff interface)
13:45 tcohen hi every1, if I want to construct a query for an specific branch do I have to append branch:'branchcode' to my query? or isn't that enough?
13:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
13:37 sekjal ran the tests for bug 3536 again, with homeorholdingbranch set to the other value. Same results as above
13:35 * owen is still waiting for "enlittling" to catch on
13:35 owen :)
13:35 jcamins owen++ # for enlittling the OPAC's login form and explaining how to do it
13:32 briceSanc pazpar is running. the problem is if i use "OpacGroupResults" in System Preferences, i can't go to "Advanced search" in OPAC, the system return "No Result found!" instead of "Search for: keyword..."
13:28 chris_n maybe check to verify pazpar is running
13:28 chris_n briceSanc: I ran into that problem yesterday, but did not have time to investigate
13:26 briceSanc Do you have the same problem : If i use Pazpar2, the advanced search page is unavailable.
13:25 briceSanc good morning jcamins !
13:24 sekjal checkout B, return A => no message
13:24 sekjal checkout B, return B => transfer message
13:24 sekjal checkout A, return B => transfer message
13:24 sekjal settings: two libraries A and B. Item from A. Patron from A. Did not manually add the new syspref before hand.
13:22 sekjal just ran through a quick batch of tests on the patch.
13:21 owen ...and how is this new preference related to the existing " AutomaticItemReturn " one?
13:20 owen One option initiates a transfer and the other does not?
13:20 * jwagner has to run off to another meeting now :-(
13:18 owen What are the two different HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn options supposed to do?
13:17 jcamins Has anyone contacted the general ndmso mailbox at LC about machine-readable MARC21 specs?
13:14 * chris_n grumbles about his coffee being cold
13:13 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:11 sekjal gmcharlt: branch pulled down, and I'm beginning testing
13:09 briceSanc Do you have the same problem : If i use Pazpar2, the advanced search page is unavailable.
13:07 briceSanc hello
13:05 sekjal owen: http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-rm.git;a=summary
13:05 owen Hmm... Why am I not seeing that branch listed?
13:02 owen "When set to 0, check-ins get dropped down a hole"
13:01 gmcharlt would appreciate testing - you'd have to add the syspref manually
13:01 * gmcharlt notices that he mangled the branch name, but anyway
13:01 gmcharlt owen: try the bug_3536_holeorholdbranchreturn branch
13:00 * owen tosses in some social security numbers for good measure
13:00 * owen will try to edit
12:59 owen it doesn't apply because of a kohaversion.pl conflict
12:58 jwagner Has anyone applied the patch in that bug report?
12:56 jwagner Hah
12:56 owen Hm, then the fix probably contains sensitive customer data.
12:56 jwagner So whatever broke it happened roughly between March (?) 2009 and October 2009
12:55 jwagner If you'll forgive the mention :-) the system functions correctly iN LEK, but not at our harley level and not in current head
12:55 sekjal it seems to be related somehow to HomeorHoldingBranch
12:55 owen gmcharlt: Do you know anything about the patch pending for that bug?
12:55 jwagner That's what I wasn't sure of -- not sure I had my policies etc. correct on my head test server.
12:55 sekjal well, okay, 4-5 commits back
12:54 sekjal yes
12:54 jwagner At current head?
12:54 sekjal jwagner: I'm seeing consistant behaviour with that on some of my systems, as well
12:54 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
12:54 owen Bug 3536
12:54 jwagner That's what I'm trying to identify -- where the problem came in.
12:53 * owen is disappointed.
12:52 owen If it still does that in HEAD then I'll be disappointed.
12:51 owen What you describe sounds like the behavior we've observed in our live Koha system which is behind HEAD by a few months
12:51 owen jwagner: Your question about check-ins triggering transfers?
12:36 owen I should ask the Koha mailing list who likes it and why
12:33 jwagner A lot of my users have noticed it. Loudly.
12:33 * owen had never noticed that. A new thing to be annoyed by!
12:33 jwagner The child window has certainly been a source of irritation -- once you've opened it, the browser back button doesn't work as expected.
12:32 owen I'm talking about the modal window view, not opac-MARCdetail.pl
12:31 jwagner Oh, OK -- you're talking about the child window, not the MARC layout itself?
12:31 owen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_window
12:31 owen The one I refer to is what is labeled "MARC View" when XSLT is on
12:30 jwagner Yes
12:30 owen When XSLT is on, you have two MARC view tabs in the OPAC. MARC View and Expanded MARC View
12:30 jwagner owen, "modal MARC view" ?
12:27 * owen wonders what problem was being solved by its introduction
12:26 * owen is mostly surprised by it because he was expecting to see the standard MARC view
12:24 owen Do people like the modal MARC view offered in the OPAC when XSLT is on?
12:11 jwagner If an item belonging to another branch is checked out to a patron, then checked in at a different branch, the system properly triggers a transfer message. However, if the item was not actually checked out, but run through checkin at a different branch, it doesn't trigger the transfer message
12:11 jwagner Can someone test a scenario for me on a current head server? I tested on mine but I'm not entirely sure I had it set up right.
12:07 Amit happy weekend to all
12:06 Amit jwagner: sure
12:04 jwagner Amit, sounds interesting. I'll keep an eye out for it.
12:02 Amit jwagner: i m also making lexile/reading level search with system preferences
12:01 Amit jwagner: hmm i don't know i have to check RM
11:56 jwagner Hey, Amit -- since you're here... You sent a patch on January 20 for a Lexile search on the OPAC advanced search page. I can't find any indication that it was ever pushed. Do you know what happened to it?
11:52 kf hi jwagner :)
11:51 jwagner and kf
11:51 jwagner Hi Amit
11:49 kf hi Amit
11:47 Amit heya kf jwagner
09:48 magnus actually, the fog has been hanging low in my neck of the woods today, so it's not quite as warm as munin thinks, but it's clearing up now, so hopefully...
09:44 magnus i know the feeling
09:31 kf It's still summer and I am sitting at my desk with s-shirt and pullover :(
09:31 kf ah, Bodo is warmest?
09:30 kf hah?
09:28 magnus hah!
09:27 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0�C (11:20 AM CEST on August 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
09:27 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
09:20 chris hi kf
09:20 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.8�C (11:26 AM CEST on August 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady).
09:20 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:20 kf hi chris
09:18 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (9:00 PM NZST on August 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
09:18 chris @wunder wellington,nz
09:17 kf_mtg hi magnus
07:58 magnus hiya hdl, kf et al
07:39 kf hi hdl
07:38 hdl hi
07:23 kf good morning #koha
06:56 magnus morning
06:49 chris evening
05:27 cait hi all
03:47 wasabi this perhaps -> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/preserve-code-formatting/
03:44 wasabi anyone know of a good plugin to wordpress to handle code-pastes ?
03:29 Amit heya mason
03:29 wasabi heya amit
03:08 chris hi Amit
03:08 Amit heya chris
02:57 wasabi and robin too, tis a sweet-hack, that one :)
02:55 wasabi cheers for that!
02:55 chris yeah hes right into it
02:54 wasabi that little chubby guy in the middle - 1st row, my fav..
02:52 chris heh
02:52 wasabi i would def. make a a lego character out of that!
02:52 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1aBrJxQ7uQ is pretty cool too, specially at about the 3min mark
02:51 wasabi so fierce !
02:50 wasabi oooh, your ones the real-deal!
02:50 chris yeah that was fun ;)
02:50 robin thought that was a great way to prank kids :)
02:50 robin reminds me, did you see this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3997100/
02:49 wasabi everyones a star, in their own little way
02:48 chris :)
02:48 wasabi such a mixed-bag of performance/confidence...
02:48 wasabi ha, i love the bad ones even more!
02:47 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6V1eQx0aBo
02:47 chris like
02:47 chris i have to go watch a real one :)
02:47 chris whenever i see a bad haka like that
02:45 wasabi ahh , its worth watching again for the ending - some of those kids are flyinggg up there!
02:43 wasabi that one's for you hunny.. ;)
02:43 chris thats quite clever
02:42 chris heh
02:41 wasabi poi-gloves ;)
02:40 wasabi http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/2010/aug/02/4179/
02:40 wasabi friday fun....
02:07 wasabi right, i click to that comment even..
02:07 chris not easily anyway
02:06 chris pretty much all our cgi ones don;t
02:06 chris (as the next comment points out)
02:06 chris lots of scripts, dont lend themselves to the debugger
02:06 wasabi thats a new one for me..
02:06 wasabi "Perl5 also had this built in. Just use the debugger and type x \%hash. Then you don't have to put in Data::Dumper and print statements and then have to take them out."
02:04 wasabi i dont think theres ever been another language thats gone thru such a re-think
02:04 wasabi im still really inspired by how much the perl devs continue to evolve perl