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23:47 chilts back later
23:47 chilts just commenting that my list is now a lot smaller than it used to be
23:47 imp ok :)
23:47 chilts yep, know that one :)
23:46 imp hit esc and the one from {q,w,e,r,t,z} ;) -> window 11-15
23:46 chilts got my auto joins up and going and now have a small and simple config
23:45 chilts yep, it's all working now :)
23:44 imp chilts: using irssi?
23:08 * chilts now has less than 10 irc channels open :)
23:06 chilts good :)
23:06 chris busy, but good ;)
23:06 chilts how goes it in Koha land?
23:06 chris cool
23:05 chilts saw the nieces and nephew lots, so that was fun
23:05 chilts good, apart from Sunday (wet and rain), it's hotter there than Wgtn is in the summer though :)
23:05 chris how was takaka?
23:05 chilts :)
23:05 chris hey chilts
23:04 chilts morning all
21:59 cait bye
21:59 cait really leaving now :)
21:59 cait hope I will find out tomorrow
21:59 cait chris: the publication year of my new records is not saved to copyrightdate or publicatonyear - so it can not be displayed :(
21:49 cait good night all :)
21:49 cait display problems... perhaps I can live with that until tomorrow
21:48 chris yup
21:48 cait at least the data is now saved in the marc record
21:45 chris but get some sleep :)
21:45 chris to check what is in orderinfo .. then we can track the problem down properly
21:45 chris you really need a warn in there before you do the transform
21:45 cait chris: thx for all your help - learned a bit more about perl :)
21:44 cait should go to bed
21:44 cait and now publicaton year does not work
21:44 JeremyLC with auth-by-bind enabled I can successfully bind with the user-supplied credentials and still be told the username or password is invalid because the account cannot be looked up in the directory, this despite the fact that I have replication AND updating disabled (it shouldn't be looking me up, only authenticating)
21:38 cait hm isbn is broken again :(...
21:34 jcamins Good luck.
21:33 jcamins I'm going to follow jwagner's example.
21:30 cait cool :)
21:30 chris that should work yes
21:30 cait what I wanted to do is if publicatonyear has data, use it, otherwise use copyrightdate
21:29 cait publicationyear => $data->{'publicationyear'} ? $data->{'publicationyear'} : $data->{'copyrightdate'},
21:29 cait chris: does this look ok? (it works... but still)
21:24 cait I just want to solve it... or I will dream about it
21:24 chris cya
21:24 cait jwagner: thx for your help :)
21:23 jwagner Unlike cait, I'm going to quit working overtime for the day :-) See you all tomorrow....
21:23 cait yeah, I think you are right, there is one more place
21:23 chris in marc21, so would work in unimarc
21:23 chris it might be trying to use biblioitems.publicationyear which isnt mapped
21:22 chris could be
21:21 cait acq
21:21 cait so there is perhaps someting wrong with the display in acw
21:21 cait ah, the year shows up in the marc record
21:21 chris so we can actually see what it is trying to save
21:21 JeremyLC hmm, using koha 3.1 it appears to have a fully implemented auth_by_bind feature, except for the part where it actually does anything :-/
21:20 chris yeah what you want to do is find out what is in the $orderinfo variable
21:20 cait I never got it to show the isbn before, but why is the year not there?
21:20 cait now: year is not shown, but isbn
21:20 cait ok, added new record, filled out all fields, saved
21:20 * cait is totally confused now
21:18 cait but year not... will try with a new record
21:18 chris warn Dumper $orderinfo;
21:18 cait isbn is suddenly showing...
21:18 chris use Data::Dumper;
21:18 chris you could put
21:18 chris also before the my $record line
21:17 cait ah
21:17 chris like you say, no harm doing it for unimarc too
21:17 chris "biblio.copyrightdate" => $$orderinfo{publicationyear},
21:17 chris lets just take that if out
21:16 chris yeah my bad
21:15 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/39
21:13 chris can you paste what you have
21:13 cait and 3 syntax errors in lines I did not touch
21:12 cait Global symbol "$record" requires explicit package name at /home/katrin/kohaclone/acqui/addorder.pl line 205.
21:12 cait hm still unhappy
21:10 cait ok, found one mistake ; instead of ,
21:09 chris so i wouldnt guarantee im not making syntax errors
21:09 chris yeah im just typing into the window here
21:09 cait added your code and tried adding a new record
21:09 cait hm compilaton error
21:08 chris tail -f /path/to/error.log | grep "KATRIN"
21:08 chris then you can go
21:08 chris even
21:08 chris warn "KATRIN TEST: isbn = $$orderinfo{isbn}";
21:08 chris warn "KATRIN TEST: isbn = $orderinfo{isbn}";
21:07 chris maybe
21:07 chris before that block, then look in the error log
21:07 chris warn $$orderinfo{isbn};
21:06 cait it starts as a form in neworderempty.tmpl
21:06 cait I have no idea how to test that, I tried reading the code and found nothing obviously wrong
21:05 chris does $$orderinfo{isbn} have data in it?
21:05 cait bugnetic.. or something
21:04 jcamins Because you're an awesome tester? :)
21:04 cait I started with a small template change today...
21:04 cait ok. why do I always find these confusing bugs?
21:04 chris because its hard to fix isnt a reason to leave it broken :)
21:04 chris we dont have it
21:04 chris you cant
21:04 chris what if you want to search on publicationdate
21:03 chris fix them
21:03 cait chris: but what will we do with all the installations that used copyrightdate to store the publicationdate?
21:03 chris then at least you dont lose data
21:03 chris and publicationdate in 260c
21:03 cait I found a reason for the publication year but the mapping for isbn seams correct to me
21:03 chris to get round this, i would store the copyright in 542g
21:03 cait any idea why I can't save the isbn?
21:02 cait ok, we already knew that
21:02 jcamins Not that this my knowledge is definitive, of course.
21:02 chris if you do know both the copyrightdate and publicationdate you are out of luck because marc is retarded
21:01 jcamins 542 is mostly only used in archives, to the best of my knowledge.
21:01 chris use the copyrightdate
21:01 chris so if you dont know the date of publication
21:01 cait confusing
21:01 chris yeah
21:01 cait If the date of copyright acts as a surrogate for the date of publication, it must be recorded in subfield $c (Date of publication, distribution, etc.) preceded by the appropriate copyright or phonogram copyright symbol. Additionally, it may be recorded in subfield $g (Copyright date) of field 542 (Information relating to copyright status).
20:59 chris because they arent the same thing
20:59 cait hm perhaps I am missing something in marc21 here
20:59 chris the real fix is have both publicationyear and copyright mapped to a different field
20:58 cait it will not save
20:58 chris what we are doing, is at least storing it in the db for marc21 as publicationyear
20:58 chris not in the marc records
20:57 chris we arent saving both for either
20:57 cait so why only save both for marc21 and not for unimarc too?
20:57 cait and will have different settings in their installations... I am not sure looking those fields up this way is a good solution
20:56 chris yes, but we should still be saving BOTH
20:56 cait because people can change that
20:56 cait but you can not easily change that... I think even with a database update it would be not easy
20:56 munin chris: Place of manufacture (Repeatable)
20:56 chris @marc 260 e
20:56 munin chris: Place of publication, distribution, etc. May contain the abbreviation [S.l.] when the place is unknown. (Repeatable)
20:56 chris @marc 260 a
20:55 chris yep
20:55 cait ;)
20:55 cait not my fault
20:55 chris marc is stupid
20:55 chris or not just copyright anyway :)
20:55 munin chris: Date of publication, distribution, etc. May contain multiple dates (e.g., dates of publication and copyright). (Repeatable)
20:55 chris @marc 260 c
20:55 munin chris: Information relating to the publication, printing, distribution, issue, release, or production of a work. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8]
20:55 chris @marc 260
20:55 cait no
20:55 munin chris: unknown tag 260c
20:55 chris @marc 260c
20:54 cait oh
20:54 chris 260c is not copyright
20:54 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 30.9�C (3:59 PM CDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling).
20:54 moodaepo @wunder 56001
20:54 cait but if its the standard for 260c - I think it would be much more complicated to change that
20:54 chris copyrightdate should go to copyrightdate ;)
20:54 chris the whole line
20:54 cait ok
20:54 cait ah
20:54 chris its not the same thing at all
20:54 cait remove the line or the comment after the bug is fixed?
20:54 chris mapping publicationyear to copyrightdate is a bad hack
20:53 cait chris: I am not sure I understand your comments
20:52 cait :)
20:52 cait but it works
20:52 jwagner cait, that isn't quite right -- you can't have the $publicationyear as the first piece on line. See chris's version
20:51 pastebot "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "if ( $orderinfo->{quantity} ne" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38
20:50 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/37 <- what jwagner said (or at least I think so :) )
20:49 jwagner Yes, definitely easier than coding it.
20:49 cait not depending on a marcformat :)
20:49 cait your solution sounds better
20:49 cait chris: thx, I have something working now... but I think it's not the best code
20:48 chris lemme just write it up for ya
20:48 chris but if its MARC21 also save it to biblio.copyrightdate
20:48 chris is leave it being saved to biblioitems.publicationyear
20:48 chris ok what i would do
20:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN
20:48 cait bug 5090
20:47 cait yep
20:47 chris cait: ahh i see what you mean in marc21 publicationyear is not mapped to anything
20:46 jwagner so pseudo code would be if UNIMARC, $mypubyear = the one field, elsif MARC21, $mypubyear = the other field, then in the record construct, biblioitems.publicationyear = $mypubyear
20:45 cait ah
20:45 cait y
20:45 cait don't ask me wh
20:45 jwagner I've generally found it easier to do the syspref check before the my $record type section, enter the value in a generic variable, then use that variable instead of the $$orderinfo{publicationyear}
20:45 cait marc21 maps to copyrightdate
20:45 cait it is not mapped like this now
20:45 chris but surely publication year should map to publicationyear?
20:44 cait chris: I see no better solution
20:44 cait I tried repeating the whole block (although I know its not good, but to have something working I could try to make better)
20:44 chris do you really want to map publication year to copyrightdate?
20:44 cait hm, no.
20:44 cait oh, and isbn is not saving although it seems to be mapped correctly
20:43 jwagner Are you trying to do the syspref check within the my $record section?
20:43 cait I think the ? : construction checks if the variable exists? but why does it not check author - its not required in the form
20:42 jwagner OK, that explains the $$, then. Never noticed that construction before.
20:42 cait you are right
20:42 chris i prefer the latter as it is much more readable
20:42 chris jwagner and cait $$orderinfo{title} is the same as $orderinfo->{title}
20:42 cait but everything above ---- is the original code from acqui/addorder.pl
20:42 cait no, it's in the code
20:41 cait not my variables :)
20:41 jwagner Is that in your code, or just a screenpaste thing?
20:41 jwagner Why are there two $$ with your variables? e.g., "biblio.title" => "$$orderinfo{title}"
20:41 cait but I m not sure how to get my if clause in there... I tried repeating the whole block for a start, but after that it was complaining
20:40 cait I think the addorder script must use different fields in koha-to-marc-mapping for unimarc and marc21 - publicationyear is not mapped for marc21, only for unimarc. marc21 has 260c mapped to biblio.copyrightdate
20:39 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/36
20:39 cait I really need to work on the basics :(
20:36 jwagner chris & others online can probably help -- they're better at Perl than I am
20:35 cait jwagner: give me a minute to reconstruct the original code
20:35 richard hey chris
20:34 chris hi richard
20:34 richard hi
20:34 chris :)
20:34 jwagner Willing, yes. Able, it depends :-)
20:33 cait someone willing to help me with perl?
20:33 cait :(
20:29 brendan chris++
20:27 chris will help us out with an rfp response
20:27 brendan yup
20:26 chris well, its a move from vtls virtua ils right?
20:25 brendan and thanks :)
20:25 brendan "came at a very timely moment for us too" - not following
20:25 chris came at a very timely moment for us too
20:24 chris congrats on goddard college brendan
20:24 brendan morning chris
20:20 jcamins Morning.
20:20 cait hi chris
20:19 chris monring
20:13 cait oh I know about them - forced my coworker to add 008 to the data we are migrating right now :)
20:11 jcamins You won't be so sure when you start trying to understand dates in Zebra. :P
20:10 cait jcamins: it would be to easy if you were right ;)
20:10 cait which is the reason you can't save the publication year in new orders in acq
20:09 jcamins Hm. Never mind then.
20:09 cait and publicationyear is not mapped at all
20:09 cait copyrightdate is 260 c by default
20:09 jcamins Oh.
20:09 cait nope
20:09 jcamins cait: I think publicationyear may be linked to the 260 in MARC21, whereas copyrightdate is linked to the 008. It's ugly.
20:08 cait what is the difference between biblio.copyrightdate and biblioitems.publicatonyear? one is used by marc21 and the other by unimarc *grumbles*
20:08 wizzyrea I haven't had a chance to make them yet >.<
20:07 jcamins wizzyrea: by the way, how did your curry coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies come out?
20:07 wizzyrea ...
20:06 jwagner But I did bring a baseball bat into the office a week or two ago, when I was being exceptionally aggravated by certain persons who shall be nameless.
20:04 * jwagner has no wish to be daunting to anyone. Except druthb and whoever is annoying me that day.
19:55 jcamins jwagner: don't worry... _I_ still find you daunting. ;)
19:55 * cait hides
19:55 cait oh...
19:55 jcamins cait: didn't jwagner tell you to stop working a little while ago?
19:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5090 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, New order from empty record does not save publication year and ISBN
19:53 cait still fighting with bug 5090
19:49 JeremyLC and, supposedly, somewhere around 43 for the week (C, not F)
19:49 cait it's cold here - it's still supposed to be summer :(
19:48 JeremyLC the high was 40 today
19:48 jcamins At least it isn't as hot as Texas.
19:48 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 31.9�C (3:50 PM EDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 1 PM this afternoon to 8 PM EDT Thursday...
19:48 jcamins @wunder 11105
19:48 cait jwagner: that's a start
19:47 munin JeremyLC: The current temperature in Shady Valley West, Arlington, Texas is 36.2�C (2:52 PM CDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT Thursday...
19:47 JeremyLC @wunder 76019
19:47 JeremyLC oh, right
19:47 jwagner cait, with virtual cookies anyway :-)
19:47 jcamins JeremyLC: post code.
19:46 JeremyLC what is the number? (GPS coords?)
19:46 wizzyrea oh, well that could be worse I guess
19:46 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 30.3�C (2:52 PM CDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
19:46 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
19:46 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence KS
19:45 cait jwagner: does the wish thing work with cookies too?
19:44 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.4�C (12:45 PM PDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Falling).
19:44 brendan @wunder 93117
19:43 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.3�C (9:48 PM CEST on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling).
19:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:42 cait ok, she is convincing...
19:42 * chris_n thinks a heat index of 47.2 C is too hight
19:42 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 22.8�C (3:45 PM EDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 567 in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening...
19:42 owen @wunder 45701
19:42 jwagner (your wish is my command....)
19:42 cait hmpf.
19:42 jwagner OK, cait, STOP WORKING!
19:42 cait owen: thx for my amazon bug :)
19:42 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 34.0�C (3:40 PM EDT on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am to 7 PM EDT Thursday...
19:42 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:41 cait I was talking to jwagner... ;)
19:41 owen Stop working!
19:41 cait will you tell me to stop working?
19:40 jwagner hi cait
19:39 cait hi #koha
19:10 owen ?
19:10 owen opac-MARCdetail.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl line 143
18:22 kf bye all
18:17 kf perhaps ask on list or a bit later when people from a different time zone are awake
18:16 kf not sure how to do that
18:15 kf sql is not the only thing you need to think of, it's a lot of tables and reindexing (and perhaps you will get problems if items were issued, ordered in acq...)
17:57 mib_mike If someone can whip up some recommended SQL, I'd appreciate it.
17:55 kf not in the UI, but I think you can script something - perhaps someone else knows how you can do that on command line or with scripts
17:54 kf I think there is no built in feature to bulk delete records.
17:53 mib_mike Why wouldn't it be possible?
17:37 kf for items, not sure about bib records, but I think that will not be possible
17:36 kf mib_mike: 3.2 will have a tool for bulk delete
17:31 mib_mike Is there any way to delete a group of item or bib records by a list of barcodes or bibnumbers?
17:31 mib_mike Hi guys
16:22 Drakmor ok... I'm probably just putting in the wrong stuff to request a connection.
16:21 sekjal hmmm, haven't messed with kbarcode before...
16:21 Drakmor I've installed it, but it doesn't seem to want to connect....
16:20 Drakmor sure... at this point, the only reason I'm considering an upgrade is to get the improved barcoding... if kbarcode works, I would perfer to use it
16:20 sekjal you'l have to find koha-install-log, first, which will be in a different place depending on the install type
16:19 sekjal to keep all the same configurations
16:19 sekjal Drakmor: ah. well, in either case, you'd want to run: perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
16:19 Drakmor I used the live CD.... so I don't know the method the author used.
16:18 sekjal Drakmor: did you install your 3.0 instance from the tar file, or from git?
16:18 Drakmor ok, I just install it like a new system?
16:18 sekjal Drakmor: Koha 3.2 will automatically upgrade your 3.0 database when installed.
16:17 owen There's lots in acq I can't make sense of
16:16 kf display:none can be really helpful
16:16 kf but I will hide some things in acq with css - fields I could not make any sense of :)
16:15 owen In this case altering the template is the correct thing to do
16:15 kf owen: I know, but I thought this change would be useful for everyone
16:15 owen I'm not sure where that "sie" came from.
16:14 owen kf: But inputs sie can be affected by CSS if you want to. You'd have to target that particular set of inputs
16:14 kf owen: just wanted to make sure - I dont want to change something when there is a better method or something that is used everywhere else
16:12 Drakmor Hey, how do I get kbarcode to connect to our server? I'm thinking I'm putting in the wrong information... but I'm not sure. Also, where can I find info about updating koha 3.0 to 3.2?
16:12 owen Input field length is determined by the input's "size" attribute
16:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4979 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Acq: input fields for new record are too short
16:12 kf owen: template question - is there a standard class or something to use on fields to make them longer or just increase the size attribute? (bug 4979
16:11 zer0c00l All i have to do is set the hidden column of marc_subfield_structure table to 6 :)
16:10 owen That bug is going to take some funding. No one wants to wade into it unaccompanied I'm sure.
16:08 nengard i'd add that frameworks is 'developereese' and 'templates' is the language that catalogers use
16:07 nengard but i'm on the cc list :) hehe
16:07 nengard wasn't me who reported it apparently
16:06 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1289 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Bulk/global edit for MARC frameworks
16:06 nengard bug 1289
16:06 nengard jcamins can't seem to find it anymore ... hmmmm - off to hunt some more
16:04 jcamins nengard++
16:03 nengard jcamins i have an enhancement request in place for making editing the frameworks easier
15:58 jcamins It's very, very tedious.
15:58 zer0c00l jcamins: ok
15:57 jcamins Set hidden to 6 for each subfield you don't want to show.
15:57 jcamins Under 1.4.1.4.
15:57 jcamins http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x3725#AEN3728
15:56 zer0c00l ok
15:55 jcamins Let me find it for you. Hold on.
15:55 jcamins It explains in the manual.
15:55 zer0c00l owen: I will check the mysql tables :-)
15:54 zer0c00l jcamins: How do i hide them?
15:54 jcamins If you delete all the tags, I think that means that you wouldn't be able to do copy cataloging with Z39.50.
15:54 jcamins zer0c00l: I don't think so. You might better off just hiding all the tags instead of deleting them.
15:54 owen Unfortunately the only alternative is to do it directly via MySQL
15:53 zer0c00l I am creating a new MARC framework, i need to delete lot of tags to make it short , It is really pain to delete them individually. Is there any short way to do it?
15:33 zer0c00l owen: ok. Thank you. I got it.
15:32 owen You could also do a z3950 search to grab a record from someone else's system.
15:32 owen If you want to create a record from scratch, yes.
15:31 zer0c00l so each time i want to add a new book into the system , do i need to "Add a MARC record" ?
15:31 zer0c00l owen: ok
15:30 owen You could create your own simplified framework, but it's a tedious process.
15:29 zer0c00l owen: There i see lot of numbers and descriptions. The librarian has very little idea about MARC records, is there any way to disable them and create user friendly bibliographic records?
15:28 owen Cataloging -> Add MARC Record
15:27 owen You can create new bibliographic records from scratch.
15:27 zer0c00l not copies
15:27 zer0c00l owen: new book
15:27 owen Do you mean to add copies?
15:26 zer0c00l owen: How do i add new book information into koha? I added a marc record. Do i have to edit the imported record to add new?
15:18 zer0c00l owen: Thank you. Doing it
15:17 owen "Save record" in the menu on the right
15:17 owen zer0c00l: You could save one from a public Koha OPAC: http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=16595
15:14 zer0c00l Hi, I am new to koha and i am no librarian . I am trying to stage a marc record. Where can i get a sample marc record for upload?
15:13 * chris_n prepares to send *@hotmail.com to the spam box >-(
15:10 kf hm, she wrote it's not on the website, perhaps she can still check the about page?
15:07 owen Make it difficult to offer help in the mailing list
15:07 owen Not exactly current.
15:06 owen If you go to the demo page it says "3.0.3."
15:06 owen " the most current Koha Project release." 3.0.6 ?
15:06 owen Interesting that Liblime.com's information about Koha Express no longer specifies which version you'll get.
14:52 owen No big deal to me
14:50 kf but I will change the severity to enh and rel3_4 - it seems the notes were never displayed. ok for you?
14:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4924 major, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Public/Internal notes missing in staff normal view
14:50 kf owen: I tested your patch for bug 4924 - it works nice :)
14:48 kf CGI290: one of our libraries is using 880 for hebrew: https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=30613
14:46 kf CGI290: in order to make the display work correctly you will need to add a correct $6 with tag and language code
14:46 owen I hope that means success
14:43 CGI290 thnx
14:43 kf CGI290: to all subfields you want to show, yes
14:38 CGI290 do I need to make that same change to all of the subfields?
14:37 owen brb
14:36 owen You probably want "0"
14:36 owen The help info shows all the different values for hidden and what they do
14:36 owen Scroll to the top of the page and click the help link [?] in the upper right hand corner of the screen
14:36 CGI290 should I change it?
14:35 CGI290 yes
14:35 owen Yes. Does it say "-6" ?
14:35 CGI290 should I do something to the "hidden" box
14:35 CGI290 ok
14:35 owen For the ones you want to show, click that tab, then click "display more constraints"
14:34 owen I don't know anything about tag 880, so I don't know which subfields you need
14:34 CGI290 yep
14:34 owen You should now be on a page titled "Tag 880 Subfield Constraints"
14:34 CGI290 ok
14:33 owen Click the "Edit Subfields" button at the bottom of that page
14:33 CGI290 ok
14:33 owen Click the "Subfields" link for 880
14:33 CGI290 ok
14:32 owen Search for tag 880
14:32 CGI290 ok
14:32 owen Then click 'MARC structure' for the default framework
14:32 CGI290 is that correct?
14:32 CGI290 that shows me a list of frameworks: default, audio cassettes, books, etc
14:31 CGI290 owen: i can go to "koha administration" then "marc bibliographic framework"
14:29 * kf is silent now
14:29 kf CGI290: ok, it will display with that version - and owen is right, first you need to add them in the editor
14:29 owen CGI290: Do you know how to edit a tag's subfields in framework administration?
14:28 CGI290 3.01.00.143
14:28 kf owen: sorry :)
14:28 owen kf: But we're talking about the tag showing up in the editor
14:28 kf 3.0.1?
14:28 CGI290 koha 3.01
14:27 kf 880 tags will show up in opac/staff with xslt and 3.1... not in 3.0.x
14:27 kf CGI290: which version of koha are u using?
14:26 owen CGI290: It looks like that tags subfields are all hidden in the MARC editor because of the configuration of the default framework
14:26 ebegin briceSanc, RVM are authorities, not bibliographic records
14:24 CGI290 that is the specific tag that I want to add to the records I'm importing
14:24 CGI290 tag 880...alternate graphic representation
14:24 owen What tag doesn't show up?
14:24 owen CGI290: Do you have an example?
14:23 CGI290 When I look at the default framework in "Koha Administration", the tags show up. However, not all of the tags which show up there appear when I import a record
14:21 owen If so then you'll be able to edit those tags in the editor. If not then you'll have to amend the framework so that those tags are present
14:19 owen does it have the tags you want?
14:19 CGI290 owen, I'm using the default framework
14:14 briceSanc I'm trying to import RVM Laval in my Koha, Do i need to use bulkmarcimport.pl or another script ?
14:13 briceSanc hi
14:05 owen When editing in Koha you'll have to make sure the framework you're editing your records with has the fields you want
14:04 owen CGI290: You could either use a tool like MarcEdit to amend the records before import, or you could use the MARC editor in Koha after import
14:04 CGI290 I'm importing the records one by one so adding additional fields to each one individually would not be a problem
14:04 druthb owen: I thought you were writing a mind-reading plugin...or was that for circulation? ;-)
14:02 owen CGI290: Besides editing each one individually?
14:02 CGI290 Does anyone know how I can add additional fields to the marc records which I have imported?
14:01 CGI290 I want to input information into marc fields but the records that I imported do not have those fields
14:00 CGI290 So I'm importing bibliographic records and I ran into a problem...
13:55 owen Also: http://www.learningjquery.com/
13:54 sekjal owen: thanks!
13:53 owen Everything I know about jQuery I learned piecemeal though. Besides the official jQuery docs, I go back to this time and time again: http://visualjquery.com/
13:52 owen ...even though it doesn't talk about jQuery at all
13:52 owen I think that book gives you a really good starting point for understanding what jQuery does
13:52 owen I highly recommend this book for a good foundation of understanding of JavaScript and HTML manipulation: http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=166222
13:51 jwagner owen, you DID say that bribes were welcome!
13:50 sekjal owen: did you have a favourite resource for learning jQuery?
13:49 owen jcamins: HTML first, then jQuery :P
13:49 owen jwagner: I'm willing to evaluate the weight of that sack of money
13:49 jcamins ;)
13:47 jcamins I should learn jQuery. It just seems daunting, and not what I want to spend all my time on. Can't I just plug my brain in somewhere and learn it all instantly?
13:47 jwagner I still think if all the Koha libraries in the world would band together & contribute a few bucks, we could hire owen to do fulltime development for us :-)
13:47 kf and sometimes looking up things on the website
13:47 jwagner kf, I have one too :-)
13:46 kf jcamins: I have a cheat sheet for jQuery - changing snippets I learned from owen and others
13:44 * jcamins is also very impressed by the ability of everyone on #koha to do things with jQuery.
13:44 * jwagner feels a little better, thanks.
13:43 jcamins_a jwagner: if it makes you feel any better, I only know about six HTML tags, and three of those are html, head, and body.
13:43 * jwagner Are Not A Web Developer!
13:42 jwagner What, you want payment in ADVANCE????
13:41 kf ok, send cookies first ;)
13:40 jwagner It just took me half an hour to figure out something that most properly-trained web developers could probably do in 30 seconds. Sigh.
13:40 jwagner kf, want to do all of mine??? I'll make the cookies!
13:39 kf jwagner: I like html :)
13:39 * owen has no idea
13:39 dagentoob is there a way to make all the LDAP admins have that privledge?
13:38 dagentoob k I just found it
13:36 dagentoob no I don't know where that option is
13:35 owen dagentoob: Do you know where that option is?
13:34 owen The first thing to do after a new install is log in as your kohaadmin user, create a new patron record for yourself, and give yourself superlibrarian privileges
13:33 owen It's not by patron category, it's by individual patron privileges
13:31 dagentoob anyone know what Patron category you need to get into the backend? I tried staff and it isn't working
13:30 dagentoob so I formatted the string just like the other bind() command above
13:29 dagentoob what was happening was that it was trying to bind as just uid.... for some reason my ldap server wouldn't accept that
13:28 dagentoob to $principal_name = sprintf("uid=%s,cn=users,dc=yourserver,dv=com",$userid);
13:28 dagentoob change line 118 in Auth with ladp.pm
13:28 dagentoob if anyone was wondering I kindof solved the LDAP thing
13:23 * jwagner HATES trying to figure out HTML. Just sayin'
13:20 gmcharlt ye
13:18 owen So an additional enhancement would be to enable duplication of that form field as well
13:18 gmcharlt jwagner: yes, that sounds like useful default data to add
13:18 gmcharlt yes, a matchpoint_component can more than one norm
13:17 owen Can that one repeat as well?
13:17 owen One more question gmcharlt: I see "Normalization rule" is also marked up with its own ID.
13:17 schuster howday all!
13:14 kf owen: it's not urgent, only annoying
13:13 jwagner Speaking of matching rules, one of the things I normally do for my new sites is create a combined rule -- OCLC @, LCCN, ISBN, ISSN, etc. so they can use just one rule instead of trying to pick out separate ones. Would this be a useful enhancement.
13:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5006 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Invalid XHTML in record matching rules template
13:13 owen I'm too deep into Bug 5006 at the moment. But please, don't every hesitate to bribe :)
13:12 * kf tries to bribe owen ... hope thats not illegal on #koha
13:12 * jwagner catches up a bit
13:12 kf cookie? :)
13:11 * owen gets grumpy around Amazon content
13:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2712 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Invalid 3rd party content ( eg Amazon ) can break page layout
13:09 owen kf: See also Bug 2712
13:08 owen Okay, thanks
13:08 gmcharlt yes
13:08 owen gmcharlt: So if it was possible to duplicate the matchpoint_component fieldset the duplicated data could be saved by Koha?
13:07 kf now you were too fast gmcharlt :)
13:07 gmcharlt but not commonly used
13:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5088 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, HTML tags in Amazon reviews
13:07 kf can you take a look at bug 5088 while waiting? :)
13:07 gmcharlt it's more fucntionality that could be implemented in the UI
13:06 owen I don't know, I'm waiting for gmcharlt to tell me if there is one :)
13:06 kf owen: what is the problem?
13:06 kf :)
13:06 kf ok, I m confused
13:06 owen I think that's another thing entirely
13:05 kf oh, I also see a link add match check
13:05 owen That duplicates both the matcher_matchpoints and matchpoint_components. Perhaps that isn't correct?
13:04 kf ok, I meant those links: Add matchpoint Remove this matchpoint
13:03 kf let me check
13:03 owen I see links to "add matchpoint" and to "remove matchpoint" but I don't see any link to duplicate the matchpoint_components specifically
13:01 kf owen, I think you can when you add a new rule, there is a + -
12:59 owen Theoretically repeatable, or I should be able to do it via the interface? I don't think there is a control to make them repeat
12:58 gmcharlt tag, subfields, etc corresponding to matchpoint_components;
12:58 gmcharlt search index and score correspond to matcher_matchpoints
12:56 owen It is? How?
12:56 gmcharlt the second group is repeatable
12:55 owen Is that a significant distinction?
12:54 owen Under match points, there are two groupings: search index and score, and tag, subfields etc.
12:54 gmcharlt sure
12:54 owen Hi gmcharlt, I'm digging into the matching rules interface and have a question if you have time
12:53 gmcharlt owen, even
12:53 gmcharlt hi woen
12:53 owen gmcharlt around?
12:32 kf good morning jwagner
12:23 jwagner Morning, all...
12:21 owen Hi
12:20 kf hi owen and schuster
12:14 smustafa no idea either sadly...I will have to trace it, until some one else comes on and knows the fix :)
12:14 kf not sure all targets support this search option
12:14 smustafa no in thde z39.50 search :)
12:14 kf not sure how that works, perhaps it depends on the client target
12:13 kf I thought in catalog
12:13 smustafa Yes :)
12:13 kf ah, you tried to search for lc call number in cataloging z39.50?
12:12 smustafa I think $pqf is uninitialized....hmmm why not sure :)
12:12 smustafa sub search_pqf { my $this = shift(); my($pqf) = @_; my $_rs = Net::Z3950::ZOOM::connection_search_pqf($this->_conn(), $pqf); $this->_check(); return _new ZOOM::ResultSet($this, $pqf, $_rs); }
12:11 smustafa Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0/ZOOM.pm line 493, <DATA> line 522., referer: http://10.105.42.88:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl
12:11 smustafa It says
12:08 smustafa I will look into the log files and see if there are any errors first, give me a minute
12:03 kf a backup of the old wiki can be found here: http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/ but content might be out of date.
12:02 kf wiki.koha-community.org it is
12:01 dagentoob thanks
12:01 dagentoob yeah I know... I have found links to some documentation but wiki.koha doesn't seem to exist anymore
12:01 kf on the mailing list more people will read your question
12:01 kf dagentoob: I think ldap is not used by a lot of people
12:00 kf dagentoob: perhaps try the mailing lists
11:59 dagentoob anyone that could shed some light on the LDAP situation?
11:57 kf smustafa: I can look in the code, but plz tell me the marc field
11:56 kf Colin++
11:56 munin kf: Karma for "Colin" has been increased 14 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 12.
11:56 kf @karma Colin
11:53 kf I think . are ignored
11:53 kf which field is LC call number?
11:53 kf which search option?
11:51 smustafa nothing....
11:51 smustafa same for TH7414 .S65
11:51 smustafa I tried searching for TH7414 only and nothing
11:51 smustafa yes I have actually
11:44 kf smustafa have you tried to search for parts of the call number?
11:40 dagentoob no ideas on the LDAP?
11:32 smustafa Any ideas? I am searching like TH7414 .S65 1997.
11:32 smustafa It seems that with Koha 3.00.00 Z39.50 Search engine does not search by LC Call Number:
11:32 smustafa Good day all :)
10:22 dagentoob woes
10:21 dagentoob so any ideas on my LDAP wowes?
10:19 dagentoob it is supposed to be dagentooboy.... after the Gentoo distro but it cut it off :D
10:19 dagentoob heya amit
10:17 Amit heya dagentoob
09:57 dagentoob if I enable it I get "LDAP Auth rejected: invalid password for user 'me'. LDAP error #5: LDAP_COMPARE_FALSE,"
09:56 dagentoob if I enable auth_by_bind I don't get any errors in either error log but it still won't log me in
09:53 dagentoob hello.... I am having some troble with the Koha LDAP authentication. I can bind to the dir but the password hash doesn't match... anyone have any ideas?
09:53 kf lunch :)
09:44 kf ok my fault... just ignore me
09:41 kf which is slightly older...
09:41 kf and I don't see this behaviour in my other installation :(
09:41 kf no problem :) was thinking loud
09:41 magnus ah, ok. sorry, i have no idea about the actual question...
09:38 kf metric/us/iso
09:38 kf dateformat sys pref
09:36 magnus what do you mean by "respect dataformat"?
09:34 kf is it possible that serials does not respect dataformat? (at all?)
08:47 chris yep, its on my todo list
08:43 kf the public library I presented koha to asked about this features
08:42 kf thx chris
08:42 kf ok
08:18 chris its not actually that hard to do, mostly its designing the interface
08:17 chris does that make sense?
08:16 chris all from their account in the opac
08:16 chris this will allow them to see what their kids have out, renew them, those kind of things
08:16 chris but they cant do anything like renew the kids books etc
08:15 chris which means if the books go missing or whatever there is a adult the library can fine
08:15 chris guarantor even
08:15 chris the way it works now, children can be attached to a parent (or a guardian) as a guarantro
08:14 chris yeah
08:12 kf a library asked me about those account, our academic libraries don't use them
08:12 kf and hi Amit
08:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 enhancement, P4, ---, chris, NEW, "Family administrator" account for OPAC
08:12 kf i found bug 3591
08:12 kf ah, I have a question for you: do you know about planned development for child and parent accounts?
08:11 Amit heya kf
08:10 kf hi chris
08:08 chris evening
07:47 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.6�C (9:52 AM CEST on August 04, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
07:47 kf @wunder Konstanz
06:28 kf good morning #koha
04:49 robin http://www.bofh.org.uk/2010/07/25/a-tale-of-two-languages <-- chris, and other devs in here
03:58 robin My own spare-time app must have a thousand or two users, I'm not really sure.
03:58 robin I agree, was more suggesting that defining 'from NZ' isn't so easy.
03:57 Snail Firefox is pushing it a bit. And it's NZer-inspired usability is slipping of late.
03:55 robin And firefox :)
03:55 chris there's greenstone too
03:55 Snail Of course! Even more if you count Gnumeric users!
03:54 robin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weka_%28machine_learning%29 <-- also weka, although less so probably
03:54 chris id just say 'a' widely adopted
03:54 chris http://www.r-project.org/
03:54 robin Defining 'from NZ' is tricky.
03:53 chris tons of ppl use R
03:53 chris not sure,
03:52 Snail Thanks. I'll call her now. Would Koha be the most widely adopted free software suite from NZ do you think?
03:51 chris Joann Ransom
03:50 Snail Who do I ask for at the Levin library?
03:49 chris http://www.library.org.nz/where/
03:48 Snail Do you have a contact phone no. or email address? Their website is vague on such matters.
03:47 chris hmm im not aware of any
03:47 Snail I saw a reference to a P Nth school that had recently switched to Koha but cannot find the link.
03:46 chris You could approach the Horowhenua Library Trust, in Levin, who started Koha
03:46 Snail Examples of organisations that might be interested include Churches, ISPs, computer support, telephony, design, programming, schools, etc.:
03:44 Snail Quote: On Software Freedom Day (Sept 20) we're going to hold a Palmerston North Linux Users Group Super Meeting - venue to be advised. We need some local businesses to talk for 5 minutes about how they use Open Source. If you know any businesses that may be interested in this free advertising opportunity please get them to contact me. Examples of organisati
03:44 chris yup
03:44 richard rosalie is next door - literally
03:44 chris ie, do you want a librarian, or a developer type presentation?
03:43 chris how technical do you want?
03:43 chris hmmm
03:43 Snail Hi, I'm from Palmerston North LUG. We are looking for speakers for Software freedom day (20 Sept). Can anyone suggest a representative from the Koha community who might be able to help?
03:21 brendan heya amit
03:21 Amit heya chris, brendan