Time Nick Message 22:12 pianohack I trust that the people I'm handing these servers to would create a sudo account if given a root password, but no reason not to just do it for them :) 22:09 imp cryptofilesystems and such are the only problems i can imagine (the rest is rootable ;) 22:08 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 31.2�C (5:14 PM CDT on August 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling). 22:08 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:06 wizzyrea_ ^^ 22:05 imp create a second account with the same privileges and hand that one over 22:04 pianohack In my case, it's because I'm leaving this library and need to make sure everything's written down or saved somewhere :) 22:03 pianohack Nah. I do all of my server admin through a personal account with sudo rights 22:03 jcamins_a Oh, I thought you meant for multiple users who need to administer the server at once. 22:03 wizzyrea_ locked up 22:02 wizzyrea_ oh. I keep mine in a file on a thumb drive in the fire safe 22:02 pianohack As in, "our sysadmin got hit by a bus, and he was the only one that had a sudo-capable login!" 22:02 pianohack Still, the access passwords need to be somewhere, to avoid the bus problem :) 22:02 jcamins_a pianohack: Likewise. 22:02 pianohack imp: Where possible, yes :) 22:02 wizzyrea_ ^^ 22:01 imp pianohack: sudo and no rootpassword 22:01 pianohack How do you manage the problem of shared access to passwords (server root passwords, etc.) 22:01 pianohack Hi, fellow sysadmins 21:45 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Encoding_and_Character_Sets_in_Koha&action=history 21:42 chris right its gone 21:41 gmcharlt (nad updated anyway 21:41 gmcharlt but to be clear - content of uncertain copyright needs to be rewritten 21:41 wizzyrea_ ! it's gmcharlt! 21:41 brendan got it in wayback - so wipe away 21:41 chris :) 21:41 chris so look at it quickly 21:41 gmcharlt yes, although it's fairly old 21:41 chris im about to wipe that page 21:40 chris but since kados wrote it, we have no permission 21:40 brendan thanks 21:40 brendan ah 21:40 chris because nengard pulled it over from the old wiki 21:40 wizzyrea_ doesn't gmcharlt have a backup of the wiki 21:40 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Encoding_and_Character_Sets_in_Koha 21:40 chris and write it again 21:40 chris but we need to kill it 21:39 chris its been done 21:39 brendan :) 21:38 brendan I guess I could use the waybackmachinge 21:38 brendan was there a protocol for getting pages off the old wiki? I'm looking for http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=encodingscratchpad 20:58 sekjal cheers, #koha. I'm out 20:36 richard hi 20:35 sekjal yeah, I'm gunning for that bug, too, when I get a chance 20:35 wizzyrea_ mmm probably not very likely 20:35 sekjal 2 20:35 wizzyrea_ how many branches? 20:34 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4373 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Placing and Processing Items Simultaneously causes multiple issues 20:34 wizzyrea_ bug 4373 20:34 wizzyrea_ I wonder if 4373 is affecting you 20:34 sekjal a full test would need to look at both cases (default supplied and human-set) 20:34 wizzyrea_ aha 20:32 sekjal just branch transfers during normal checkout/checkin 20:32 sekjal report didn't go much into depth about holds 20:32 sekjal not sure 20:32 wizzyrea_ (or is a human changing it) 20:31 wizzyrea_ (the logic supplied pickup branch) 20:31 wizzyrea_ question, are they changing the pickup branch from the default? 20:30 sekjal so, step 2: place hold, listing patron home branch, designated pickup branch, and title or item level 20:30 sekjal I guess the extension of that would be to record holds actions in the list, as well. 20:30 sekjal continue with checkins at various libraries, etc. 20:29 sekjal list the home branch, holding branch, message, and current status 20:28 sekjal step one: checkout Item A at Library B 20:28 sekjal our client recorded the series of actions and the various states of data associated at each stage 20:27 wizzyrea_ every day, more or less. 20:27 sekjal wizzyrea_: do you experience transfer weirdness often? 20:25 wizzyrea_ < has a massive number of holds 20:25 sekjal or maybe that's just the headcold slowing me down... 20:25 wizzyrea_ do you need help? 20:25 wizzyrea_ :( 20:25 sekjal so much so I'm having trouble interpreting the report.... 20:25 wizzyrea_ I am sure that will affect us 20:25 sekjal it gets even more complicated when there holds involved 20:24 wizzyrea_ whoa, can't say I've seen that one vefore 20:24 chris ah right 20:24 sekjal so, some sort of weird double swap 20:24 sekjal what they're reporting is that it asks them to transfer to Library B, then when they checkin at Library B it asks to transfer to Library A, then it clears up 20:23 chris in that case it should wipe the transfer eh? since its back where it belongs? 20:22 chris ahh 20:22 sekjal they are getting the worst behaviour when checking out an item belonging to Library A at Library B, then returning it to Library A. 20:21 chris ah yes, hlt have mentioned that too 20:20 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt 20:20 sekjal analyzing some nicely done research from one of clients about the nature of (what appears to be) bug 3536 20:20 sekjal but of course :) 20:19 chris keeping busy? 20:19 chris hiya sekjal :) 20:19 sekjal morning chris 20:17 chris morning 19:45 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.9�C (12:49 PM PDT on August 03, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 19:45 brendan @wunder 93117 19:05 owen why_not_just_try_it_for_yourself++ 19:05 owen Oh yeah, it just says "Must specify -b or -a to reindex bibs or authorities" 19:03 jcamins I could be mistaken, though. 19:03 jcamins It just displays the help, I think. I think you need to specify -b and/or -a. 19:02 owen What are the defaults of rebuild_zebra.pl if run without parameters? 18:59 CGI627 take it easy, owen 18:59 CGI627 I'm playing with a few other issues so you might see me back here later 18:58 CGI627 thanks 18:58 CGI627 yeah, I got the reindex to work 18:56 owen Any luck CGI627? 18:44 CGI627 I just scrolled down the directory and I think you're right. let me check it 18:43 owen (assuming when you typed "et" above you meant "etc") 18:43 owen ls /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/ 18:42 CGI627 Not really. I'm just using what I used last time. 18:41 owen Are you sure your path to koha-conf.xml is correct? 18:41 CGI627 I had done it w/o flags several weeks ago and it worked fine. 18:41 CGI627 no flags 18:41 CGI627 Then an error message said "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 307" 18:40 owen just "perl rebuild_nozebra.pl," or with flags ("-b") ? 18:38 CGI627 i logged in as "koha" and then "kohaclone", scrolled down the directory to "migration_tools", and input "export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone" then "export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/et/koha-conf.xml" and lastly "perl rebuild_nozebra.pl" 18:37 owen What you were doing before isn't working, or you don't remember what you did before? 18:36 CGI627 I had learned how to reindex a few weeks ago but I can't seem to get it to work now. Thanks 18:35 owen Welcome back CGI627 18:21 cait vb is booting 18:20 owen Admin -> Record Matching Rules 18:19 cait staged marc import? 18:19 owen different->difference 18:19 owen Can anyone explain to me the different between a match point and a match check? 17:01 nengard hehe 16:58 * owen will shop for a memory expansion kit during lunch 16:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5006 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Invalid XHTML in record matching rules template 16:57 owen Including bugs like Bug 5006 which I don't even remember filing just two weeks ago 16:56 owen Just going through my bug list 16:56 pianohack owen: Anything interesting? 16:52 * owen is getting away with it today 16:51 owen When I can get away with it. 16:50 pianohack you? 16:50 pianohack Some, yes :) Trying to finish up at the library, which will involve sending in as much custom code as possible 16:50 owen You working on Koha stuff these days? 16:49 pianohack not much 16:49 pianohack Hey owen 16:49 owen Hi pianohack, what's up? 16:36 kf late :( bye all! 15:57 munin kf: Karma for "cait" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16. 15:57 kf @karma cait 15:56 munin druthb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 40 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 40. 15:56 druthb @karma jwagner 15:56 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 36 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 36. 15:56 druthb @karma druthb 15:55 kf for cookieeees 15:55 kf jcamins++ :) 15:54 jcamins Ooh! I have a karma of 6! Watch out, kf, I'm catching up! Slowly. 15:54 munin jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 15:54 jcamins @karma jcamins 15:53 kf now I feel silly... :) 15:53 munin jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 22 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 22. 15:53 jcamins @karma kf 15:52 owen kf++ 15:52 owen Sorry kf! 15:48 kf :) 15:48 jcamins kf++ # because she figured out the zebrasrv problem before anyone else 15:41 wasabi wasabi pays full-attention to kf... 15:38 wasabi yours was *next* email in my koha-inbox 15:37 * kf feels a bit ignored ;) 15:37 wasabi ahh, twas chris.n .. 15:37 jcamins owen: isn't it great how you automatically get credit? 15:37 owen Today? It wasn't mine. I was only threatening to send one :) 15:35 wasabi the 'community-edition' email 15:35 owen ? 15:34 wasabi owen, i chortled reading your recent email 15:26 owen I'll be back to ask the same questions the next time I do a Koha install ;) 15:25 owen Thanks for your help 15:25 owen jcamins++ 15:25 owen wasabi++ 15:24 owen that was it, zebraserv hadn't started properly 15:21 wasabi and watch the debug, while searching... 15:21 wasabi yeah, restart zebrasrv - outputing to the screen 15:20 wasabi killall zebrasrv; zebrasrv -f /path/to/koha-conf.xml 15:19 wasabi so yr searching problems are to do with zebrasrv.... 15:19 jcamins Maybe zebrasrv isn't running properly? 15:19 wasabi looks correct ;) 15:18 pastebot "owen" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Zebra reindex output from fresh 3.0.x installation" (66 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 15:15 wasabi http://paste.koha-community.org/ 15:15 wasabi owen: pastebin your rebuild output, ill take a look... 15:13 jcamins I'm not sure. You have exceeded my knowledge of Zebra. 15:13 owen If I ever did an install where zebra worked right the first time I'd probably die of shock. 15:11 owen Doesn't that mean 2344 records inserted? 15:11 owen "zebraidx(32023) [log] Records: 2344 i/u/d 2344/0/0" 15:10 owen This is a new install of 3.0.x 15:10 jcamins *use 15:10 jcamins Did it used to work? 15:10 jcamins Hm. 15:09 owen Still no luck 15:06 owen Oh, never mind, I was trying again but forgot to switch users 15:04 owen Oh wait, I didn't see this before: "Could not select database biblios errCode=109" 15:03 jcamins Hm, that was what we did wrong (wrong group). 15:02 owen I'm running rebuild_zebra.pl as the koha user 15:01 owen I've changed the user/group for koha-dev/var/lib/zebradb and koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb 15:01 jcamins Well, I guess it depends where the permissions are wrong. 15:00 jcamins owen: I don't think so. 15:00 owen jcamins: I'm assuming a permissions error would be displayed onscreen when running rebuild_zebra.pl? 14:59 sekjal owen: full reindex, or from zebraqueue? 14:59 jcamins permissions error? 14:59 kf zebrasrv running? 14:58 owen Can anyone suggest where to look next? 14:57 owen No apparent error is displayed when running rebuild_zebra.pl, but I'm getting no results from my searches 14:16 munin 04Bug 5038: enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour 14:16 briceSanc http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5038 NEW Comment 14:12 hdl owen: jwagner beware, those fonts may not support Unicode very well. 14:06 jwagner Very useful pages -- thanks! 14:05 owen http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html 14:04 owen http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html 14:04 jwagner OK, thanks. 14:04 owen Yes, and those choices are very limited 14:02 jwagner So the trick is to find something that's within a common e.g. Windows install? 14:02 owen Browsers will recognize any font which is installed on the user's machine. 14:01 jwagner owen, do you know if there's a site somewhere that lists what fonts most browsers will recognize/use? I have an odd font request that Firefox isn't recognizing (Edwardian Script). I can get it to recognize other fonts, though. 13:47 kf :) 13:47 kf hmpf. 13:46 owen or jKwery for those without a Q in their alphabet? 13:46 kf owen: yep, an old and ugly bug 13:46 kf Query 13:45 kf I think I will use jWuery to fix that (once I find time to write the code) 13:45 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2188 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED, Accounts.pm outputs untranslatable English strings 13:45 owen I think that's Bug 2188 13:45 kf no way to translate the entries there 13:45 kf the fines tab in opac and staff 13:45 kf one really rough edge is fines 13:43 kf have to force myself to use German templates and fix all those small things 13:43 kf owen: yep, they do. And I often enough work with english templates :( 13:42 jcamins owen: ::cough:: Voyager ::cough:: Aleph ::cough:: 13:42 owen People really put up with a lot of rough edges 13:42 owen kf: I'm amazed that some of these bugs haven't gotten reported ealrier 13:41 kf owen++ #translation bug fixing 13:40 jcamins Is there some way to make preformatted lines in mediawiki wrap politely? 13:38 jcamins There it is. 13:38 * jcamins bangs side of computer # stupid e-mail! 13:37 jcamins Yay! 13:36 owen jcamins: chris_n beat you to the rant 13:33 jcamins any corrections? 13:32 jcamins owen: ... Koha 3.2 beta (note that what you are calling "Community edition" is actually "Koha") ... 13:28 * kf sends jcamins a cookie 13:27 jcamins kf: if you have a spare cookie, I would not say no. Especially since I never got around to baking yesterday. We had to leave the windows open because our apartment smelled of paint, so it would've been a bit warm. 13:27 jcamins It took four minutes, but I successfully managed to coax a "compose e-mail" window out of Thunderbird. 13:27 kf jcamins: need cookie? 13:23 jcamins In fact, it looks like I will leave the replying to someone else. Grrr. 13:22 owen That would have definitely provoked a rant 13:22 brendan Heh 13:22 jcamins I will leave the ranting to you either way. 13:22 owen True 13:22 jcamins Because that would just be confusing. 13:22 jcamins owen: at least the e-mail didn't start out with "I installed the latest version of Koha, Koha Harley," right? 13:21 * owen is trying to resist the urge to reply with a rant about the term "community edition" 13:18 jcamins I see someone is trying to install Koha on FreeBSD. 13:18 jcamins Good morning. 13:17 briceSanc hi all 13:08 kf :) 13:08 kf hi druthb 13:08 * druthb has already had a cookie this morning. 13:08 druthb *perks at the mention of her name 13:08 kf yay :) 13:07 * jwagner sends owen and kf cookies 13:07 owen Don't blame druthb, jwagner, I would have eaten them if I was there! 13:06 kf jwagner: cookies... *sighs* 13:06 kf hi hdl 13:06 jwagner kf, there's a few left. This is because druthb was out of the office for most of yesterday.... 13:05 hdl hi all 13:03 kf jwagner: is your pile of cookies already history? 13:00 * jwagner perks up ears -- cooookkkkkkiiiiiieeeeeessssss? 12:55 magnus say no more... ;-) 12:54 kf Home made chocolate chip cookies 12:54 magnus think there was one spare room (with separate, private bathroom (not ensuite)) when i booked 12:53 kf ah ok 12:53 magnus (tip from chris) 12:52 magnus yup, or rather b&b: http://www.booklovers.co.nz/ 12:51 kf magnus: have you booked your hotel for wellington yet? 12:51 kf hm confusing my identities. no good sign 12:51 * owen has really got to stop asking his 3.0.x repo to "rebase origin." The poor thing. 12:49 magnus cait_mtg: yup 12:49 cait_mtg magnus, still around? 12:48 owen Barking ineffective commands to the computer to end the current simulation confirms (I hope) that I'm not in a simulation. Randomly asking HAL to open doors for me will only make me worry when the doors don't open. 12:46 chris_n yup... or making sure you still have control of HAL 12:45 owen Thanks chris_n. You know how it is, sometimes you have to make sure you're not living inside a Holodeck program concocted by the holographic projection of Professor Moriarty. 12:44 * chris_n hands owen a cup of coffee 12:42 owen Computer: End program. 12:41 zer0c00l quit 11:56 zer0c00l kf: ok. bye , later 11:56 kf I have a meeting now, will be back later 11:56 zer0c00l kf :-) . Yeah i am going to test it with virtual box. I run fedora :-) 11:55 kf you can use virtual box - I have my development installation on windows with virtual box. i 11:53 zer0c00l kf: ok, I have downloaded some koha live cd (ubuntu 10.04) will consider using it 11:53 kf I would recommend testing the current stable or development version on linux 11:53 kf you will miss a lot of features and there can be bugs too 11:52 kf 2.2.9 is very old 11:51 zer0c00l kf: Just trying it on windows (koha 2.2.9 ) for my school 11:51 zer0c00l kf: Thank you. No i am not using zebra. 11:51 kf if you have installed koha with zebra you need set up rebuild_zebra as cronjob for indexing 11:49 kf zer0c00l: check the faq http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#16 11:47 kf hi hdl and jwagner 11:44 zer0c00l I just tried to add some records through http://intranet , but can't search them 11:43 zer0c00l hdl, jwagner Do i need to configure koha after successfully installing it? 11:43 zer0c00l Hi jwagner 11:38 hdl hi jwagner 11:38 jwagner Morning, all 11:17 zer0c00l any one out there? 10:45 zer0c00l What is Marc tags ? Do i need to configure them and link them to database before adding books to koha? 10:43 zer0c00l I am new to koha. I installed koha on windows following http://www.koha.rwjr.com/ . After adding couple of books through "Add biblio" link. I tired to search it. But the search is not showing added books. how to resolve? 10:19 smustafa Thank you 10:19 smustafa ok dear, I shall try 10:19 chris thats just the config, and zebra files 10:18 smustafa what about that code in /usr/share/?? 10:18 chris you can check that by looking at the koha-httpd.conf 10:18 chris then its running the code from out of your clone 10:18 smustafa I did do a [dev] install.. 10:17 chris not if you choose a dev install 10:17 chris no it doesnt 10:17 smustafa *sorry for my stupid questions....I was doing it all wrong for 1 year*.... 10:17 smustafa Because it seems it copies all the important files to /usr/share/koha after every make install.... 10:17 smustafa how do the changes apply on the site? I need to run perl MakeFile, then make, then test, then install again? after every change?? 10:16 chris change it in your git clone 10:14 smustafa and change there?? 10:14 smustafa Now on to my next question. I did a fresh install using the [dev] setup. However now if I want to make changes lets say to any of the code...do I do it on the location of the git repostory clone, or go directly to /usr/share/koha 10:14 chris if you want to upgrade to what will soon be 3.2 then yes 10:14 smustafa now I understand. The master/origin is good to go on 10:13 smustafa oh I see...hmmm sorry. My fault! 10:13 chris not 3.0.1 10:13 chris 3.01.00.145 10:13 chris see the dots there 10:13 smustafa and this is the clone of origin/master 10:13 smustafa That is why I said 3.0.1 :) 10:13 chris yes 10:13 smustafa We are upgrading from Koha 3.00.00.107 to 3.01.00.145, you must update your database 10:13 smustafa on the web installer 10:13 smustafa Chris, I get the following message 10:12 chris its certainly not behind 3.0.x 10:12 chris not 3.0.1 10:12 chris master is at 3.1.x 10:12 kf smustafa: I understand what you mean, but I don't know how it works :( 10:11 smustafa so I think the master/origin is behind.. 10:11 magnus that sounds good to me 10:11 smustafa Then I thought oh oh....I don't think I am getting the 3.0.6 changes, since the master is at 3.0.1 :) 10:11 smustafa The reason I ask, is I made a branch that tracks the origion/master branch. 10:11 magnus http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-checkout.html 10:11 magnus and "check one out" with "git checkout name-of-branch" 10:10 smustafa yes I do know that. But when I start working....what branch should I be working on?? 10:10 magnus http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-branch.html 10:10 magnus you can view them with "git branch -a" 10:09 magnus smustafa: i'm no git expert, but i do know that all the branches are in the one repository 09:40 smustafa I hope I am making some sort of sense :) *** Awaitng response....* 09:40 smustafa Assuming I go for the 3.0.x branch..and remotly track that....What happens in the future when the HEAD becomes 3.2?? Does this 3.0.x branch disappear? and will I get disconnected and have to connect again to the HEAD and lose everything.. 09:32 smustafa I can't clone the main and the branch because I will get very confused and not know what to do...so one main repository is better...*New to git* 09:31 smustafa I am confused....the branch seems at 3.0.1 at the moment, while the 3.0x is at 3.0.6.. 09:31 smustafa Using GIT of koha for the first time, and I need to know if I want to always be up to date...do I use the [origin/master] or [3.0.x] branch 09:30 smustafa good day all, 09:20 magnus g'day 09:11 chris evening 05:36 kf morning #koha 01:41 Kohan00b Thanks wasabi, will try that 01:27 wasabi but the 1st place to look is incorrect/partical $952 info in your source bibs 01:26 wasabi well, theres actually a bunch of issues that can cause your import to fail... 01:24 wasabi look at the 952 block in biblioitems.marcxml and item record, an compare it to your imported ones. 01:23 wasabi create a test bib, create an item for it. 01:22 wasabi Kohan00b: your mapping are prolly incorrect 01:18 Kohan00b The MARC record in Koha contains the item level information but it is not listing it in Holdings. . . not sure why 01:17 Kohan00b Using Koha 3.0 on Debian, I've migrated MARC records from Follett Circ+ to Koha. I've used MarcEdit to change 852 field to 952 field but I'm still getting "No physical itmes for this record" 01:13 Kohan00b Hello everyone.