Time  Nick       Message
00:17 robin      Information about zebra on debian squeeze: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591307
04:05 Amit       heya chris
04:06 chris      hi Amit
05:00 cait       morning #koha
05:05 chris      hi cait
05:05 cait       hi chris
05:07 cait       @wunder Konstanz
05:07 munin      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
05:07 cait       hm, back to rain
05:07 chris      @wunder wellington nz
05:07 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
05:07 chris      right, home time
05:07 chris      back later
05:07 chris      if you can help susan out on the mailing list cait, that would be awesome :-)
05:08 cait       I think I can not
05:09 cait       not more than you already said
05:09 cait       and I m thinking we will really want to switch to a dev install
05:12 robin      I'm finding local packages to be quite handy for that kind of thing.
05:13 robin      Merge in all the branches you want for the particular package variation, build, deploy.
05:16 cait       robin: chris told me a bit about it and promised to show me at kohacon
05:17 cait       not sure he wll manage to show me all the things he wanted to :)
05:17 robin      heh yeah, that could be an issue. The guts of the packaging stuff I do is here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages
05:18 robin      still has a bit of streamlining to do, I'm trying to build a staging system so our QA folks can test things quickly and easily.
05:19 cait       cool
06:30 cait       time to go to work, bbl
07:07 kf         morning again #koha
07:36 chris      back
07:37 chris      yeah, building the packages isnt too hard, but i didnt want to spring that on susan as well, ideally you have a dev install where you do your development then deploy to production with packages
07:37 chris      running a dev install on production is a little dangerous
07:37 chris      if you do a git rebase and get conflicts your koha is busted while you fix them
07:38 chris      but its a lot better still than having a svn repository
07:53 kf         chris: sorry, was afk and now in a meeting
07:54 kf         chris: I think we have to think about it a bit more, it depends what it doable for us.
07:58 chris      yep, i just always think its better to do it right first, than spend hours/weeks/months cleaning up from when its gone wrong
08:02 chris      hi magnus
08:03 magnus     hi chris & #koha
08:03 magnus     chris: thanks for checking out my kohanor-branch! thought it might save us some time later on...
08:04 chris      yup, looks all good, it merged cleanly
08:04 wasabi     evening all..
08:04 chris      hi mason
08:04 wasabi     ... just back from the coast
08:05 chris      hows things up there?
08:05 wasabi     ive resumed work on the dreaded mutli-holds feature again..
08:05 hdl        hi chris
08:06 wasabi     after a sweet few weeks of productive bib cleaning/re-shuffling
08:06 hdl        hi magnus and all
08:06 magnus     bonjour hdl
08:06 hdl        wasabi: we did some work on that too
08:06 wasabi     heya folks
08:07 wasabi     w00t, great news hdl
08:07 chris      cool
08:08 hdl        was committed on our master.
08:08 hdl        and pushed
08:08 wasabi     to  http://git.biblibre.com ?
08:08 wasabi     ahh, to k-c.org?
08:09 chris      might want to pull that off into a branch based off kc/master wasabi
08:09 chris      and then merge in your stuffs
08:10 wasabi     hdl: ahh, i understand now
08:10 wasabi     thank you, i'll take a look tonight!
08:12 wasabi     wow! biblibre has a SOLR branch :)
08:12 hdl        wasabi: not yet.
08:13 hdl        We diverged quite a bit.
08:14 hdl        we would have to rebase and re test all the stuff.
08:19 Amit       heya wasabi
08:23 wasabi     heya amit :)
08:25 wasabi     ive been very keen to see SOLR's asian/CJK character-searching in action
08:43 chris      http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/day1.html
08:43 chris      http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/bio.html#lee   kristina has been putting the bios up
08:50 kf         chris: I like the new format
09:05 kf         thinking about migration - can u use the offline circulation format for migration of checkouts? and is the format documented somewhere?
09:10 chris      you'd need to ask kyle
09:11 kf         chris: yep, I thought there was documentation on the old wiki, but can not find it
09:18 magnus     kf: yes you can use it for migrating checkouts, i have done it... ;-)
09:18 kf         magnus: do you have some documentation?
09:19 kf         or an example file?
09:19 kf         I read some people used it for migration and I think it would solve a lot of my problems to do it this way
09:20 chris      if you find some, please put it on the wiki :)
09:20 magnus     here is the script i used: http://github.com/MagnusEnger/LibrioTools/blob/master/tidem/loans.pl much of it is about parsing the data (which was in html!!!)
09:22 magnus     and i had to convert from biblionumber to item-barcode and patron id to patron barcode
09:23 kf         hm an example file perhaps?
09:24 magnus     um, what kind of file? input? output?
09:24 kf         what you loaded into koha
09:24 kf         although chris seems to think I am a developer - Im not good in reading code
09:25 magnus     :-)
09:25 kf         (and not a developer, but no time to argue about that now)
09:25 magnus     an easy way to look at the format is to install one of the offline tools and do some sample "transactions"
09:26 kf         if you get it to work
09:26 kf         but perhaps the way to go
09:26 magnus     can you read this? "$borrowdate\tissue\t$patron_barcode\t$book_barcode\n"
09:26 chris      if you send a patch, you're a developer
09:27 kf         chris: ok, so perhaps we need to argue about the definition ;)
09:27 chris      :)
09:27 kf         ok, tab separated lines
09:27 magnus     it's just date + tab + the word "issue" + tab + patron barcode + tab + book barcode
09:27 magnus     yes
09:27 kf         ok
09:28 kf         do you know if you can tell the due_date?
09:29 kf         is borrowdate the due_date or the day the item was checked out?
09:30 magnus     the day the item was checked out - due date depends on item type etc
09:30 kf         ah ok
09:30 magnus     kf: beware of Bug 4973!
09:30 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4973 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, process_koc.pl fails to process returns because of \r
09:30 kf         so I need to get that from the database
09:31 magnus     no, you just enter the patron and item barcodes, koha does the rest
09:31 magnus     just as with a regular issue
09:31 kf         yep, but I want the due_dates to be the same as in the horizon database, so have to make sure the rules are the same and send the checkout_date :)
09:32 kf         magnus++
09:32 magnus     yeah that sounds about right
09:32 magnus     thanks
09:32 magnus     ;-)
09:32 kf         perhaps i can buy you a beer or something in nz :)
09:32 magnus     isn't there a dump of the old wiki somwhere?
09:33 kf         yep
09:33 magnus     the first line of the .koc-file is special
09:33 kf         http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/
09:34 kf         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_offline_circulation_file_format is not there
09:34 kf         or I was not able to open it
09:34 chris      kf: buy him one of these http://epicbeer.com/epic-pale-ale/
09:36 * kf       never drinks beer, so he must choose one himself
09:36 magnus     me? never drinks beer either...
09:37 kf         hm
09:37 kf         ok, so it's something else :)
09:37 kf         ice cream?
09:37 magnus     :-)
09:38 magnus     hm, i think i deleted the koc files after i was finnished with them... trying some alternatives
09:39 chris      wine?
09:39 chris      vodka?
09:39 * chris    has heard about scandanavians :-)
09:40 kf         magnus: I will try to generate a line as you suggested
09:41 * magnus   is rather difficult in that respect... port wine, islay single malt, cider...
09:41 kf         if it does not work, I know where to find you ;)
09:41 chris      ahh, i know some ppl who will be happen to drink whisky with you :) and we make some ok cider here too
09:42 magnus     chris: ok cider sounds interesting... ;-)
09:43 kf         alcohol always make me talk too much
09:43 kf         if you let me drink something you have to live with it :)
09:43 magnus     kf: the first line should look something like "Version=1.0	Generator=kocQt4	GeneratorVersion=1.0" the first "version" is important, the import tool will not process anything else than 1.0. the other two can be anything, i think
09:44 kf         great, thx
09:44 magnus     oops, that should be "Version=1.0 + tab + Generator=kocQt4 + tab + GeneratorVersion=1.0"
09:45 magnus     kf: here we go: http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/koha_offline_circulation_file_format.html
09:45 kf         magnus: I was missing the .html :)
09:46 magnus     i'll put that in the new wiki
09:46 magnus     yep
09:46 kf         magnus++
09:49 magnus     thanks again! ;-)
09:54 magnus     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_offline_circulation_file_format
09:55 chris      sweet
09:59 * kf       adds bookmark
10:04 * magnus   goes in search of lunch
10:04 * kf       is eating at computer
10:17 kf         @marc 035
10:17 munin      kf: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8]
11:13 * magnus   read that as "kf is eating a computer"...
11:13 kf         mmh yummy
11:13 kf         ;)
11:14 kf         but it was salad from green beans
11:18 magnus     sounds slightly more tasty :-)
11:19 kf         :)
11:19 * magnus   just signed up for the "Levin Mayoral Reception and Marae Visit" http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/levintrip.html
11:20 kf         oh
11:20 kf         I did not now you had to sign up for it in advance
11:20 kf         hope there is enough money on my paypal account :)
11:21 magnus     there was an e-mail on the lists just now, with the link
11:23 hdl        hi nengard
11:24 nengard    hiya hdl
11:30 * kf       just signed up for "Levin Mayoral Reception and Marae Visit"
11:31 magnus     woohoo!
11:32 kf         :)
11:32 kf         yay!
11:34 magnus     yay indeed!
11:46 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
11:47 jwagner    Morning jcamins
11:47 jcamins    kf: You're welcome.
11:49 jcamins    jwagner: I made a cookie for you, too. Hopefully you like curry coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
11:52 smustafa   Hello,,,
11:52 smustafa   I don't know if anyone can see what I am typing
11:52 smustafa   I am using the Web IRC
11:52 jcamins    smustafa: it's working, go ahead.
11:53 smustafa   alright :).  I was invited by Chris so I may get help in setting up a Koha development environment :)
11:53 smustafa   I got to the point of creating a clone, + a branch
11:53 smustafa   but no idea on how to access this branch from a different physical machine and commit/update
11:54 jcamins    smustafa: the way I dealt with that is by creating a github account.
11:54 smustafa   I can't create a github account because my company does not want its modifications to be public
11:54 jwagner    jcamins and kf, I have a whole pile of cookies on my desk this morning.  Some are for you (virtually anyway) :-)
11:55 jcamins    smustafa: In that case, I'm out of ideas.
11:55 jcamins    jwagner: Thanks!
11:55 kf         cookies!
11:55 kf         thx jwagner :)
11:55 owen       jwagner: Starting the morning with a pile of cookies sounds like a recipe for a mid-morning nap
11:56 smustafa   its alright...
11:56 smustafa   I did this first on my dev-server
11:56 smustafa   sudo git clone  git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git koha-clone
11:56 kf         smustafa: I think it's possible, you wrote your git branch is on a server
11:56 smustafa   then sudo git branch --track MSDR-Branch origin/master
11:56 kf         smustafa: the problem is - I have never done that :( perhaps try later when chris is here, he knows a lot about git
11:56 kf         or gmcharlt
11:56 smustafa   ok I shall wait :)
11:57 kf         ah, chris answered your mail
11:58 smustafa   Yes, he informed me to get on Chat :)
11:58 smustafa   and here I am :) hehe
11:58 jwagner    Speaking of gmcharlt, anybody seen him lately? Got a question for him.
11:58 jwagner    owen, that's why I brought the cookies into the office -- so other people would eat them, not me :-)
11:59 kf         smustafa: yep, but check your mail, there is a new one for git branches
11:59 kf         smustafa: he answered on koha-devel
12:01 jwagner    @seen gmcharlt
12:01 munin      jwagner: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> wizzyrea: 0470034548
12:02 kf         wow
12:02 kf         vacation?
12:02 jwagner    Is he actually taking a vacation???
12:02 jwagner    What an interesting concept.  I should try it sometime....
12:02 kf         :)
12:02 kf         me too
12:02 owen       Vacation, with a release to manage?
12:03 jwagner    Maybe someone else can answer what I was going to ask him.  I sent a patch out Friday morning, but it occurred to me later that I never saw it come across the patches list.  Did anyone else see it?
12:03 jwagner    Before I send some others, want to make sure they're getting through.
12:03 smustafa   actually I understood his e-mail
12:03 smustafa   The problem is, it refers to my local laptop
12:03 owen       jwagner: I don't see anything from you
12:03 smustafa   But how will this work when we have a team of people trying to work on this same MSDR-Branch
12:04 smustafa   Thats what I dont know how to do..
12:04 chris      smustafa: exactly the same way, they just clone from the server too
12:04 jwagner    Verifying the address -- koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org ?
12:04 chris      to their machines
12:04 chris      jwagner: yes
12:04 smustafa   Dear Chris, I am unsure of how to clone this [branch]
12:04 chris      its in the email
12:04 smustafa   I only know how to clone the main repository...that smy problem :(
12:05 chris      when you clone, you get the repository
12:05 chris      then you checkout the branch you want
12:05 chris      git clone ssh://username@servername.or.ip/path/to/kohaclone kohaclone
12:05 jcamins    kf: I heard back from my acquaintance in the MARC standards office at LC. He passed my query on to someone else in the office.
12:05 chris      git checkout -b MSDR-Branch --track origin/MSDR-Branc
12:05 chris      h
12:05 smustafa   oh ok...I see...
12:06 smustafa   ok I shall try that then.  .  So to summarize, I must clone the [origional cloned repository]
12:06 smustafa   then I checkout the MSDR-Branch
12:06 smustafa   right?
12:06 chris      yes
12:06 smustafa   oh ok, thanks alot chris.  Helpful as always :)
12:07 chris      is there a reason why your changes can't be public?
12:07 smustafa   actually I work for a semi-government company
12:07 kf         jwagner: you are subscribed? (I forget about that always)
12:07 smustafa   so they are pretty weird about it, eventhough nothing is sensitive..
12:07 smustafa   but I dont know..
12:07 chris      it might be nice to explain to them how gpl works :-)
12:07 smustafa   hehe :) I shall
12:08 smustafa   again, than you very much for your patience
12:08 chris      np, good luck
12:08 smustafa   :)
12:08 nengard    chris do you know of a deadline to register for the Levin trip?
12:08 nengard    I ask cause I'll put it in the newsletter if the deadline is after the publication date
12:08 nengard    kf - I too have bought my tickets :)
12:09 chris      up until the day before the trip afaik
12:09 kf         jcamins: thx! hope you will get an answer :)
12:09 nengard    cool - i'll put it in the newsletter then
12:09 kf         nengard: makes at least 3 attendees now :)
12:09 nengard    4 if you're not counting my hubby
12:10 kf         ah, right :)
12:10 chris      its not everyday you get a full mayoral reception
12:10 nengard    I know!!!
12:10 nengard    that is so awesome :)
12:10 nengard    I'm so excited - and it's august already!!! that's 2 months left!!
12:11 nengard    and for me it's going to be a crazy 2 months while i try to cram in all of the training before I leave for NZ
12:11 kf         do I have to pack formal clothes then?
12:11 chris      83 days
12:11 nengard    that's a good question kf
12:11 chris      naw
12:11 nengard    I didn't think about that ....
12:11 chris      just tidy
12:11 nengard    oh good!
12:11 kf         puh
12:11 * kf       owns no formal clothes :)
12:12 * nengard  owns no formal clothes that fit
12:12 nengard    :)
12:12 nengard    brb
12:12 smustafa   exit
12:12 * magnus   is happy to leave the suit at home...
12:12 jcamins    Wonderful... every time the air conditioning switches, my wireless goes out.
12:13 kf         :)
12:13 * kf       don't want to wait 83 more days to meet you all
12:13 chris      well you'll meet magnus about 3 days before then, and slef and paul and hdl
12:14 * magnus   thinks those 83 days will just fly by
12:14 kf         chris: you are right :)
12:15 chris      kf: kristina who wrote the email, moved to nz from luxembourg about 3 months ago
12:15 * nengard  has already met chris (when he helped me move into my house) and hdl and paul and magnus
12:15 nengard    and a lot of the US people too of course :)
12:15 magnus     so chris does housemoving too?
12:15 smustafa   Chris, sorry but you mentioned that I should use the 3.0x
12:15 smustafa   rather than the master head.
12:16 smustafa   Will I face issues in the future if I use the MASTER, rather than 3.0.6?
12:16 smustafa   Because I want to always be up to date with Koha, not just the 3.0.x versions..
12:16 chris      kf: and munich before that, so you can speak german with her
12:17 nengard    magnus it's a great story, chris is just an all around nice guy :)
12:17 chris      smustafa: you may want to have both a 3.0.x and a master branch
12:17 kf         kf: hope I can speak English to her and all others (and being understood)
12:17 magnus     hehe, that's what i thought
12:18 chris      kf: im sure you can, but just in case you get stuck and cant think of a word :-)
12:18 * jcamins  thinks he will be lonely in #koha in October :'(
12:18 chris      http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2010/07/07/words-and-phrases-of-wellington/
12:19 chris      jcamins: i'm sure we will still be on #koha from time to time, i was at the last 2 kohacon :)
12:19 smustafa   thanks Chris, :)
12:19 smustafa   bye everyone
12:19 kf         chris: I already tell my coworkers "no worries" just for practice ;)
12:19 chris      heh
12:19 owen       jcamins: You can I can hang around here and feel sorry for ourselves
12:20 jwagner    Just tried resending that patch -- someone let me know if you see it?
12:21 jwagner    owen and jcamins, I'll probably be here too :-(
12:22 chris      nope not yet
12:22 chris      hdl: you around?
12:23 hdl        chris yes.
12:23 chris      can you check if jwagners patch is stuck somewhere?
12:24 hdl        no patch stuck here.
12:24 jwagner    chris, I'm thinking there's a problem with outgoing mail on that server -- just tried sending the patch to my own address & it hasn't come through.
12:24 chris      sounds likely
12:24 jwagner    I'll have druthb check the server later.
12:24 hdl        use smtp-server.... option
12:24 jwagner    Thanks for looking
12:25 chris      thanks hdl
12:25 hdl        jwagner: git send-email --smtp-server smtp.wtf.net --to kc.org 0001
12:26 jwagner    where 0001 is the name of the patch?
12:26 hdl        yep
12:26 hdl        smtp.wtf.net to be changed to the external smtp you want to use.
12:26 jwagner    Unable to initialize SMTP properly.  Is there something wrong with your config?
12:26 jwagner    That's what _I'm_ asking :-)
12:27 chris      heh, wtf.net is a real site
12:27 hdl        oops.
12:27 chris      they seriously should rebrand :)
12:27 hdl        hehe
12:27 chris      http://wtf.net/index.cfm
12:27 jwagner    This is my standard head devel server & I've sent lots of patches before, dunno what's gone wrong now.  But I'll let the expert fix it :-) (Cookies will make a timely bribe....)
12:28 jwagner    Oh, well, off to do a test dataload for a new site :-(
12:32 kf         jwagner: save some cookies
12:32 kf         perhaps you will need them ;)
12:35 jcamins    It's hard to believe sometimes that anyone ever learns to catalog.
12:35 jcamins    The combination of MARC and AACR2 may be the most byzantine system ever invented.
12:36 chris      RDA will fix it all
12:36 magnus     jcamins: hehe i bet if you examine a number of marc records in the wild you will find any number of inconsistensies, local practices etc etc
12:36 magnus     chris: if you can afford the subscription, that is
12:37 jcamins    magnus: That is very true. One just need look at the ANS's catalog to see proof of that. ;)
12:37 chris      magnus: you ruined my sarcasm with reality ;-)
12:38 magnus     sorry
12:38 chris      hehe
12:38 magnus     ;-)
12:38 chris      RDA is pretty much the ultimate in design by committee
12:38 jcamins    Why chris, do I detect a note of scorn towards our tilting-at-windmills white-knight-saviour, RDA?
12:38 chris      and it once again shows, you SHOULD NEVER DO THAT
12:39 * magnus   thinks RDA will never ever take off - but has some hope for semantic/linked data...
12:39 chris      yeah, linked data is gettng lots of traction outside libraryland
12:41 jcamins    I guess my interns probably should know about 245$h.
12:43 jcamins    It seems to me that ILSes should automatically associate punctuation with the subfield following.
12:43 kf         jcamins: I'm with you on that...
12:44 kf         jcamins: I know not many systems using marc21 in cataloging, but I think I remember none that could do that
12:44 owen       Re: encoding scratch pad, how do we know what content from the old wiki can be copied directly? Or do we have to re-write everything?
12:44 kf         jcamins: the isbd punctuaion is not looking good everywhere, for example in notices
12:44 chris      that one would need a rewrite
12:44 chris      joshua wrote it originally
12:44 owen       Oh I see the problematic author right there at the top, yes.
12:45 kf         ok, going to talk migration to my programming coworker bbl
12:45 owen       Another mess left behind by our former benefactor.
12:45 chris      im not sure its even applicable anymore
12:46 jcamins    Wow! That's a lot of new MARC fields.
12:47 chris      yeah, more fields, .... thats what we need
12:47 * chris    goes to bed
12:50 jcamins    DNB++ # for proposing an addition to Leader/18 to specify ISBD formatting without punctuation at the end of fields
12:51 jcamins    Er, that would be the Deutche National Bibliothek, not Dictionary of National Biography.
12:51 jcamins    Deutsche
13:06 nengard    owen chris - ooops - i just added it to the wiki - so someone can either delete it or edit it to make it unique
13:07 nengard    trying to get things done quickly this AM before I leave for a series of dr appts - they all wanted to see me today - which is fine cause after this week i'm crazy busy again
13:53 jwagner    Can someone give me some history?  It looks like in older Koha (roughly in the OPAX XSLT results list the shelving location displayed.  Somewhere along the line, that was removed and now it just shows branchcode followed by call number.  Is that correct?
13:53 jwagner    If so, was there a reason for removing shelving location?
13:54 owen       jwagner: See if you can track down the change in git.
13:54 jwagner    That's where I was headed next -- was just hoping someone remembered :-(
13:54 owen       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl;h=62a9f4624175a82b75be676f43d2eca96ab43387;hb=HEAD
14:14 jwagner    Never mind -- the shelving location shows when XSLT is not enabled for results list.  Didn't notice that....
14:15 jwagner    Would people find it useful to include shelving location in the XSLT results list?  I had been thinking about a mod to have a syspref control whether it showed or not, because sites with a lot of branches might want to reduce the clutter. Same for call number.
14:17 owen       If someone found it useful to see it in the non-XSLT results I would think it would be useful in the XSLT results
14:18 owen       There's already an OPACItemsResultsDisplay system preference
14:20 jwagner    Yes, and that's set to itemdetails which is supposed to be branch+location+callnumber -- but the XSLT doesn't seem to be set to show location
14:49 Drakmor    Hey, exactly how unstable is koha 3.2?
14:50 chris_n`   quite actually
14:52 Drakmor    ok... I've been having troubles with barcodes.... and was wondering if updating was worth it.
14:54 owen       chris_n: You would classify 3.2 as unstable?
14:58 Drakmor    I don't know if it is or not.... I only recently found out about the koha-commmunity site.... haven't really had the time to look through it.
14:59 chris_n    owen: opps
14:59 * chris_n  suddenly realizes it is Monday
14:59 chris_n    Drakmor: quite stable is what I intended to say
15:00 chris_n    I have it in production use as do others
15:00 Drakmor    I see, big difference there.
15:00 * chris_n  goes back to digging out of his 'inbox'
15:00 Drakmor    I'm currently using 3.0...
15:00 Drakmor    it sort of works, but of course there's problems.
15:00 chris_n    Drakmor: 3.2 has a massive labels re-write in it
15:02 Drakmor    Everything else works for us, other than labels.
15:03 Drakmor    First, Koha can't search the books by aquisition date, and also the printing is screwed up... I suppose we could use premade ones...
15:08 Drakmor    any idea about that?
15:18 Drakmor    or just updating koha in general?
15:30 jcamins    jwagner: We use shelving location, and need it to display in the results screen.
15:31 jcamins    I have a bug somewhere.
15:31 jcamins    I thik.
15:31 jcamins    *think
15:31 jcamins    *bug report
15:32 jcamins    Or not.
15:32 jwagner    jcamins, thanks.  I can see that it would be very useful for some sites.  But I can also see that with 30-40 branches, the screen clutter gets overwhelming.  That's why I'm thinking syspref(s) to control both shelving location & callnum display in the XSLT results list.
15:32 jcamins    Yeah, sysprefs would be great.
15:32 jwagner    OK, another thing to put on my list....
15:32 jcamins    The lack of sysprefs would be why our local modifications remain local modifications.
15:34 jwagner    Yes, I'm all for making things site controllable rather than hardcoding changes.
15:34 kf         jwagner++ :)
15:34 jwagner    Even if the sysprefs do proliferate like paperclips or wire coat hangers in dark corners :-)
15:34 kf         jcamins: are u using koha without isbd punctuation?
15:35 kf         jcamins: there are a lot of chnages caused by DNB
15:35 jcamins    kf: No, but I desperately want to.
15:35 kf         jcamins: you will have display problems in some places
15:35 kf         short titles don't  look very good without isbd punctuation
15:35 jcamins    Oh, I'm not leaving out isbd punctuation until Koha supports automatically associating isbd punctuation with the following subfields.
15:35 kf         we have them.. sometimes they make me happy, sometimes not. we added them to the format for koha, German exchange format was planned without isbd punctuation
15:36 jcamins    I'm just writing our cataloging documenation.
15:36 kf         oh, and no isbd format withoug punctuation
15:36 kf         in catalog and opac you can add them now with xslt in many places... I m not sure you really need them. perhaps add some titles and test
15:37 Drakmor    Hey, how do I update koha 3.0 to 3.2?
15:37 kf         jcamins: but I would really like if koha would support cataloging without isbd punctuation
15:39 jcamins    kf: That's brilliant! I have a stylesheet that already adds some isbd punctuation. When I get a chance, I'll just make it add all, then somehow persuade it to play with the Koha stylesheets.
15:40 kf         jcamins: but this will not work for isbd format
15:40 kf         xslt detail, but not results in staff
15:40 kf         not for notices (altough that is no great loss)
15:41 kf         isbd punctuation is one of the things that drive me crazy
15:41 jwagner    jcamins and kf, see Bug 5079
15:41 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
15:42 owen       jwagner: Why not have it be controlled by the existing system preference?
15:43 jwagner    Which one?
15:43 jwagner    the itemstatus one?
15:43 owen       OPACItemsResultsDisplay
15:44 jwagner    It could be done to a degree -- make XSLT pay attention to that syspref first of all, then use it to control display.  The main thing is that it would lump both shelving location and call number into the same on/off switch.  I think some sites might want to show one but not the other.
15:44 jcamins    Any suggestions what kind of cookie I should bake tonight? This is definitely a day that requires baking cookies.
15:45 jwagner    jcamins, how about byte-sized cookies?
15:45 * jwagner  hides under the desk, now.
15:45 owen       If so then I think the scope of the bug should be "separate control of shelving location and call numbers and have it apply to both standard and XSLT display"
15:45 jwagner    owen, comment in the bug report & let's get some discussion -- I need input on what most sites would like.
15:46 jwagner    I know what _I'd_ like, but that's not always the best solution for everyone :-)
15:52 jcamins    jwagner: it is a testament to how lousy my day is going that I appreciated your pun. ;)
15:52 jcamins    jwagner++ # mostly for bug 5079, but also for bad puns
15:52 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
15:53 kf         jcamins: chocolate peanut butter cookies?
15:54 jcamins    Mmm. Those sound good. Thanks. :D
15:54 jwagner    kf, with caramel and praline swirls?  Let's get the sugar level UP!
15:56 kf         jwagner: caramel is a really good idea :)
15:57 * jwagner  is now hungry. Goes to raid the box of cookies that I brought in for others....
15:59 owen       Hey everyone, please attach patches to the bug report. I really hate seeing "patch-sent" but reports with no attachments.
16:14 owen       fredericd's patch for Bug 4305 seems to work great.
16:14 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13
16:14 owen       It'd be great to be able to close that bug
16:19 jcamins    I need a report of how many barcodes have been entered in our system.
16:19 jcamins    I tried this: SELECT count(barcode) FROM items WHERE barcode IS NOT NULL
16:19 jcamins    It gives me the error message '1' when I try to save it.
16:20 jcamins    Wait, no, just kidding.
16:20 jcamins    Apparently Koha doesn't like spaces at the beginning of queries.
16:24 owen       nengard: I'd be interested in hearing your comments on the current state of Bug 2749
16:24 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2749 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW, No dislay of GMD (245h) if XSLT is off
16:24 nengard    owen - will try to look before i leave again
16:24 owen       No rush
16:45 owen       nengard: If you classify both 245b and 245h as "subtitle" in Keywords to MARC mapping they both show up
16:46 nengard    seems like a work around - not a fix.  I'd tell people they can do that to get around the problem, but we still should have a fix
17:45 kf         time to go home, now that the rain has stopped - bye all
17:45 jcamins    Bye kf
18:52 jwagner    Somebody recently was talking about setting up lexile searching/display -- anyone remember who that was?  I don't see any current bugzilla entries on the topic.
18:54 cait       jwagner: I think the patch was sent
18:54 cait       and I thought it was integrated hm
18:54 jwagner    Hmmm.  I searched bugzilla for resolved & closed too, still didn't find anything.  Maybe a patch was sent without a bugzilla entry?
18:54 cait       search google lexile and koha
18:55 cait       I have problems with my browser not showing the url, don't want to restart it right now
18:56 cait       http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-patches@lists.koha.org/msg04132.html
18:56 jwagner    I found some recent listserv traffic.  Looks like it's indexed, I just need to check the display stuff.
18:56 cait       http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-patches@lists.koha.org/msg04132.html
18:57 cait       sorry, copy and paste while cuttng vegetables...
18:57 cait       [Koha-patches]  [PATCH] Patch of Lexile Search box on Opac advance	search page
19:05 jwagner    cait++ # Thanks! I _knew_ I remembered something.
19:06 jwagner    I'm not seeing that feature in my latest head version, though -- wonder if the patch ever got pushed?
19:06 cait       it seems the first one was, there is a comment from gmcharlt
19:08 gmcharlt   jwagner: fda681b2d037e0d64d8ed71272b17e67b2b3db8e
19:09 * gmcharlt pauses to contemplate that he can emit random hexadecimal numbers in #koha and be perfectly understood
19:09 * jwagner  bows in admiration :-)
19:09 jcamins    Would you like me to pretend I don't know what that means, to bring our normal quotient up a bit?
19:10 jwagner    gmcharlt, that commit is adding the indexes, but I don't see the patch cait referred to, that adds a search box to the advanced search screen
19:10 jwagner    Patch from Amit on Jan 20, 2010
19:11 cait       jcamins: do we want to be normal?
19:11 jcamins    cait: No, probably not.
19:11 jwagner    cait, we ARE normal.  It's the rest of the world that's slightly off....
19:15 cait       :)
19:53 brendan    @wunder 93117
19:53 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (12:55 PM PDT on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
20:00 nengard    check it out - the Koha newsletter is cataloged by LOC : http://www.worldcat.org/title/official-koha-newsletter/oclc/550595069
20:02 chris_n    oooh nice
20:03 jcamins    Perhaps we should add a holdings...
20:05 jcamins    A shame it wouldn't show up in WorldCat.
20:09 * magnus   wonders where "Fairless Hills, PA" is...
20:09 chris_n    @wunder Fairless Hills, PA
20:09 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Mercer County, Ewing, New Jersey is 28.2�C (4:15 PM EDT on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
20:10 chris_n    munin?
20:10 chris_n    PA in NJ?
20:17 nengard    magnus and chris_n it's 45 min north of Philly
20:17 nengard    and 5 min south of Trenton NJ
20:17 nengard    which is why it's showing NJ weather I guess
20:18 magnus     nengard: it's where you live?
20:18 nengard    yes
20:18 nengard    i'm the one who submitted the application for an ISSN
20:18 nengard    and I had to put a location on it :)
20:21 magnus     :-)
20:32 chris_n    nengard++
20:34 chris      morning
20:34 nengard    morning chris
20:35 chris_n    heya chris
20:36 magnus     morning chris
20:49 cait       morning chris
20:50 chris      hiya cait
20:52 cait       a new day for you, time for bed here :)
20:52 cait       bye all
20:54 chris      cya
21:12 magnus     g'night #koha