Time  Nick       Message
00:33 larsw      robin, yay
03:16 Amit       heya chris
05:23 cait       hi #koha
05:40 cait       @wunder Konstanz
05:40 munin      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.1�C (7:44 AM CEST on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady).
05:40 cait       walking to work in this rain will be no fun :(
06:17 cait       hm time for work and the rain stopped :)
07:43 kf         good morning #koha
07:47 Amit       heya kf
07:47 magnus     good morning kf, Amit & rest of #koha
07:47 Amit       heya magnus
07:53 kf         hi Amit and magnus
08:37 kf         yay :)
08:47 magnus     kf: was?
08:50 kf         just because :)
08:53 magnus     ahh
09:21 kf         hi chris_n
11:41 druthb     g'mornin, #koha.
11:45 magnus     g'bye #koha
11:56 Drakmor    Hi, I've been having trouble with printing barcode labels. Whenever I put them into the pdf, Koha doesn't center them... also, Koha isn't recognizing the acquisition dates for books, making the process of selecting books take forever.
11:58 owen       Drakmor: What version of Koha?
11:59 Drakmor    let me check, I'm using the newest live CD
11:59 Drakmor    I'm using
12:01 Drakmor    I can post the error info and the pdf if you want.
12:01 owen       I don't know much about label printing
12:01 owen       If I remember correctly label printing isn't in very good shape in that version.
12:01 Drakmor    Darn, that's going to be a problem...
12:02 Drakmor    But how about Koha not recognizing the dates? It seems like a programming error.
12:04 owen       Are you sure the dates are correct in your database?
12:05 Drakmor    Yes, it shows up in the items view, but when I click on the accession date link, I get this
12:05 Drakmor    Koha error  The following fatal error has occurred:  Can't use string ("0") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/orderreceive.pl line 192.  Apache	Server version: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server built: Apr 13 2010 19:28:27 Koha Koha DB	3.0006010 MySQL	mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.41, for debian-linux-gnu
12:05 Drakmor    and this is with level 2 debug info
12:08 kf         Drakmor: the accession date link will link to acq module later
12:09 kf         I think there was a patch for 3.2 - so it is perhaps broken in 3.0.6
12:10 Drakmor    So that's not a serious error?
12:11 Drakmor    If there's these problems, what's the best version to use? I figured to be safe and stay stable, but if it has problems....
12:12 kf         Drakmor: no, not a serious error
12:12 Drakmor    Good...
12:13 Drakmor    and it has nothing to do with the dates not being searchable?
12:13 kf         Drakmor: I am not sure about your search problem for labels - we do not use the label print module yet. But I know it was rewritten for 3.2
12:13 hdl        @kf++
12:13 munin      hdl: Error: "kf++" is not a valid command.
12:13 kf         huh?
12:14 hdl        I wanted to say you were right.
12:14 kf         ah
12:14 hdl        hi bw
12:14 kf         Drakmor: I don't have a 3.0.x installation, so can't test this, perhaps someone else can help
12:14 kf         hi hdl
12:15 kf         I was waiting for you ... wanted to ask you about MANUAL_ODUE - is this feature working in 3.2?
12:15 hdl        labels were rewritten for 3.2 and I could not port that to stable
12:16 kf         I saw the patch for 3.0.x - and my library would love it
12:16 Drakmor    thanks, I'll probably be back later to learn more
12:16 hdl        Do you have a patch # ?
12:17 kf         it was in your last commit,  bug 4990
12:17 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4990 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, reintegrate overdues email in overdue list
12:19 kf         commit a8441dfabf5c2b561b6ba93c084a88072a910043
12:30 hdl        will try to port that.
12:31 kf         hdl: that would be great
12:31 kf         we are already running on 3.01.61 - so we won't get it with an update
12:53 hdl        kf sent you the patch
12:53 kf         oh, want me to test?
12:54 kf         hdl: which address?
12:56 louis      Hi everyone. I was wondering, is there a way to change the dropdown menu in the Opac simple search (Library Catalog, Title, Author, ...) to add a search parameter ? (using 3.2 beta)
12:57 kf         louis: not by configuration, only by changing the templates
12:57 owen       louis: If you know the right value to add you could just some custom javascript to do it
12:57 kf         oh
12:57 kf         owen is right
12:57 louis      thanks alot
12:57 owen       louis: Is there an existing index you want to search?
12:57 kf         owen++
12:57 louis      yes
12:58 louis      owen: I want to customize the simple search, but everything I want to add is already searchable in the advanced search
12:59 owen       louis: I'm not a CCL expert, so I don't know how to advise you on how to construct your query, but this is the snippet of jQuery which would do what you want:
12:59 owen       $("#masthead_search").append("<option value=\"xx\">XX</option>");
13:00 owen       The question is what do you put in for "xx" ?
13:01 louis      owen: thank you. With that I'll be able to make it work :-)
13:01 owen       louis: Are you familiar with how to add javascript to the opacuserjs system preference?
13:01 louis      never done it, but I know where to add it in the Pref system
13:01 owen       $(document).ready(function(){
13:01 owen       $("#masthead_search").append("<option value=\"xx\">XX</option>");
13:01 owen       });
13:02 owen       Wrap the snippet in that "document ready" function so that it will run on page load
13:02 louis      owen: ok
13:04 hdl        kf: bsz-bw.de
13:04 kf         hm
13:04 kf         no mail yet
13:04 kf         why don't send it to koha-patches? more tests needed?
13:05 kf         I think it will be a feature of 3.0.x now, so should be in 3.2 too. I can test tomorrow perhaps, a lot of work right now :(
13:06 hdl        kf: will send that on list. But I would have liked that stuff to be tested before.
13:07 owen       Is there a bug report it could be attached to?
13:07 owen       That seems like a good compromise
13:08 hdl        owen: your patch for 3.0.x does not apply (bug 4984)
13:08 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4984 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Invalid XHTML in staff client search results
13:09 kf         hdl: will try to test tomorrow - can you perhaps send the patch again? or attach to bug? perhaps it got stuck in our spam filter
13:09 owen       hdl: The patch was for HEAD, but I'd be happy to rework it for 3.0.x
13:10 hdl        owen: I thought it was for 3.0.x since the comment spoke about 3.0.x
13:10 hdl        kf: sill attach the file
13:10 hdl        (seems better
13:10 hdl        )
13:16 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:20 kf         hdl: thx
13:21 hdl        jcamins:
13:21 hdl        hi
13:21 kf         hi jcamins
13:21 hdl        kf: Misery, misery... Code changed.... so much that I would have to rewrite the stuff
13:22 kf         hdl: oh
13:23 kf         hdl: so the patch will not work?
13:23 hdl        Just tested that.. ANd no.
13:23 kf         hdl: and it will be broken after update to 3.2 too?
13:25 hdl        the patch proposed for 3.0.x would work on 3.0.x but not for 3.2
13:29 kf         hm
13:31 kf         ok, plz don't misunderstand me. but I wonder if it makes sense to introduce this feature to 3.0.x now - if it will not work with 3.2
13:35 brice      hi
13:49 owen       Fun stuff: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14916
13:49 owen       "SkyRiver Files Antitrust Suit Against OCLC"
13:58 jcamins    Interesting.
13:59 kf         yep
13:59 jcamins    So how long until the blogosphere is humming with that bit of gossip?
14:00 jcamins    Are there any Koha libraries using SkyRiver?
14:04 kf         not sure
14:04 kf         but sending mail to my coworkers right now ;)
16:18 joetho     I am curious about the triple-i / skyriver connection and why they filed this together. Time to nose around the blogosphere!
16:19 kf         I read they are owned by the same people in a blog post
16:20 kf         http://blog.ecorrado.us/2010/07/29/skyriver-files-antitrust-lawsuit-against-oclc/
16:21 kf         ok, bye #koha
16:43 JeremyLC   is anyone awake?
16:46 owen       Ask away JeremyLC , if anyone knows they answer they'll help out
16:47 wajasu     i tried that cloud-kw.pl script (v 3.0.2 koha) and it had an exception  ==> Can't take log of 0 at ./cloud-kw.pl line 198
16:48 wajasu     i saw that it might be an issue with the instance of perl that was compiled.  i.e. latest.   I'm on archlinux.
16:50 wajasu     maybe the code needs a check for $min not to be zero.
16:50 wajasu     oh well.
16:51 JeremyLC   I'm still banging my head on my desk over our need for hourly circulation
16:53 wizzyrea   somebody was in here yesterday talking about that
16:53 JeremyLC   I know it has been implemented by LibLime, but we can only get it from them for more $$ than we can spend
16:53 JeremyLC   I know ByWater Solutions is working on it also, but they're nowhere near release
16:54 owen       Nothing to do but wait or chip in, JeremyLC
16:55 JeremyLC   we could implement it ourselves, but then we're duplicating work already done and being done, and further we risk our implementation being obsoleted by one of the two previously mentioned parties' work
16:56 owen       You wouldn't be duplicating work done by others if you were doing the work out in the open with open partners
16:56 sekjal     JeremyLC: briceSanc was in here yesterday talking about implementing it, as well.
16:56 sekjal     if your team, his and mine were to all work on an implementation together, perhaps we could get it done more quickly
16:57 sekjal     we'd need to plan carefully and have a solid spec, but Git is great for collaboration like that
16:57 JeremyLC   yeah, we would have to get cleared through OTM (office of tech. management) and general counsel (legal, of course) to do that, but we were cleared for our Moodle plugins already, so there is precedent
17:00 JeremyLC   there is an existing RFC on the Koha docs
17:00 sekjal     yes.  we'd need to decide if that's a good implementation to use, or if we should make any alterations.
17:00 JeremyLC   the liblime implementation follows the RFC, ByWater is updating the RFC for their implementation
17:01 sekjal     I was thinking of doing everything in base units of 1 minute, and having the system automatically convert to hours or days
17:01 sekjal     rather than have the units laid out explicitly in the database
17:02 sekjal     there'd need to be a rounding mechanism, so that something due 'tomorrow' wasn't due exactly 1440 minutes later
17:04 JeremyLC   yeah, if a circulation policy specifies only a due date, then one would need to specify a default due time on said date, or default being due by the close of operations for the day
17:05 sekjal     the overdues and advance notices system will need a major overhaul, as well
17:05 JeremyLC   yuck
17:05 sekjal     it would sure be nice to be able to send a SMS message to a user 5 minutes before their reserve book was due back at the desk
17:06 JeremyLC   I hadn't even thought of that, since we're not technically a library (and we don't do reserves)
17:06 sekjal     a message processing script, then, would probably need to either be on a cron for every minute or so, or utilize a daemon
17:08 JeremyLC   and the complexity grows
17:10 sekjal     I've even got some notes here that messaging needs to go from being based on the patron type and item type to being based on the circ rule governing it
17:10 sekjal     which seems like it could be really confusing to users
17:11 wizzyrea   ...
17:11 sekjal     where by 'users' I mean staff
17:11 wizzyrea   yes, agreed, could be very confusing
17:12 sekjal     we'd probably want to bring in some of BibLibre's work on a tabbed circ rules interface
17:14 wizzyrea   well yea
17:15 wizzyrea   frankly I really like the messaging matrix as it is now
17:15 wizzyrea   at least on the patron screen
17:15 wizzyrea   defining what gets sent when, it would indeed be nice to have a little more customization there
17:15 wizzyrea   but I have to go
17:15 wizzyrea   bbl
17:16 sekjal     I have some notes on redoing the whole notices system.
17:17 sekjal     dividing it between system events (like a checkin or checkout) and date-driven events (like pre-dues, dues, overdues, hold expiry, etc)
17:17 JeremyLC   I need to go too
17:19 JeremyLC   bbl
17:28 briceSanc  JeremyLC, Hi !
17:36 briceSanc  sekjal, Hi !
17:37 sekjal     hi, briceSanc!
17:37 sekjal     sorry I disappeared; my desktop crashed
17:37 briceSanc  My project manager and me are very interesset to help you to develop the CheckoutByHour
17:37 sekjal     awesome!
17:38 briceSanc  How could we proceed to get organized
17:38 briceSanc  ?
17:39 sekjal     I'll need to talk to my team for some of the details, but I think our first step is laying out all the requirements for the project
17:39 sekjal     what, in the end, does the system need to do?  in somewhat-excruciating detail
17:40 briceSanc  of course !
17:40 sekjal     then we figure out how to make it do those things, write some code, and test
17:40 briceSanc  ok
17:41 sekjal     there are lots of ways to structure the Git sharing...
17:41 sekjal     a central repo would be handy, but not necessarily required
17:41 briceSanc  i have a meeting in 2Hrs with my project manager. We will make our spec requirements and send to you
17:41 briceSanc  ASAP
17:41 sekjal     great!
17:42 briceSanc  if we can agree on the specifications, we can have a central repo
17:42 briceSanc  what is your email address ?
17:42 sekjal     I'm at ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com
17:43 briceSanc  For when you will wish to have this enhancement
17:44 briceSanc  and I'm at brice.sanchez@sys-tech.net
17:44 sekjal     the sooner the better; we've been aiming for the end of the summer over here, but that's rapidly approaching
17:44 briceSanc  we have the same dead line
17:45 briceSanc  i'm a new in Koha community but i work at full time on Koha since 2 weeks
17:46 briceSanc  so i can learn quickly
17:46 sekjal     excellent.  I've been active for about a year, and doing it fulltime since March
17:47 briceSanc  great.
17:47 briceSanc  and JeremyLC is a developper too ?
17:48 sekjal     yes, I believe so.  I know he's interested, and may have a team to contribute, as well
17:48 briceSanc  1,2,3,.. developpers... i love Open Source
17:49 sekjal     there are, of course, business-type arrangements to be made, but I prefer to leave that to business-type people.  I'm eager to make this happen
17:50 briceSanc  what do you mean by "business-type arrangements to be made"
17:51 sekjal     agreements between our respective companies, for things like liability, copyright, etc.
17:51 sekjal     stuff to define how we would work together
17:52 briceSanc  ok i understand
17:53 briceSanc  Our company work for 20 School in Quebec
17:54 briceSanc  for at least 5 years
17:55 briceSanc  So our first concern is to see our work in the Koha Community integrated for easy maintenance
17:56 sekjal     absolutely agreed.
17:57 briceSanc  So i will send you a mail once i have an answer about Checkoutbyhour enhancement
17:58 sekjal     sounds like a plan.  I'll talk to my people, and we'll move forward from there
17:59 briceSanc  ok
18:10 chris      if it would help we can set up a wip repo on git.koha-community.org that you can push too
18:11 chris      http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
18:11 chris      like the fbc or catalyst ones
18:12 sekjal     chris: that'd be great.  everyone would be able to track the progress that way
18:15 owen       And then LibLime can chip in too! :D
18:16 chris      oh how we laughed
18:17 chris      sekjal: yup, would make it easy for ppl to test and even send patches too
18:17 joetho     paypal button
18:18 sekjal     chris: exactly.  big a change as it would bring on, the more testing that can be done, the better
18:20 chris      yup yup
18:20 chris      and as ill probably be the RM when it goes in, more testing makes my life a lot easier too
18:20 chris      win-win
18:27 * chris_n  wakes up at the sound of so many wins
18:28 sekjal     chris: yes, hopefully it will make it into 3.4 fully tested and ready to go.
18:28 chris_n    this looks like an exciting development
18:30 sekjal     I'm certainly excited.  hourly loans need to happen, and it's very encouraging to see it moving forward in this way
18:30 chris      yup, catalyst will probably have some resource to help, certainly testing
19:13 chris      heya cfouts, hows the sleep going?
19:13 chris      (my standard question to all newish dads :))
19:13 joetho     new dad? CONGRATULATIONS ! ! !
19:14 chris      nearly 2 months now? iirc
19:15 cfouts     thanks!
19:15 cfouts     my daughter is remarkably generous. I sleep quite as much as ever.
19:15 cfouts     she likes to sleep more or less through the night.
19:16 chris      excellent :)
19:16 owen       cfouts: Careful when sharing that with other first-time parents ;)
19:16 chris      heh
19:18 chris      ive been fairly lucky with both my boys, sleep wise
19:18 * chris_n  's nearly 4 year old still wakes up at night at least once
19:18 chris      til the teeth kick in
19:18 chris      kahu (nearly 4) sleeps 7 to 7
19:18 chris      and everyday am i thankful fo it
19:19 chris      for even
19:19 chris      atarau wakes once or twice a night
19:19 chris_n    when is Kahu's birthday?
19:19 chris      actually hes a few months from 4, november 20
19:19 chris      atarau is 14 months today
19:20 chris_n    Mercy's is september 18
19:20 chris      mercy is a great name
19:20 chris_n    just about a month apart
19:20 chris      yup
19:20 chris      play date :)
19:20 chris_n    heh
19:20 chris      hes gonna be in the US round then
19:21 chris      laurel and the 2 boys are going back to see the grandparents
19:21 chris_n    whereabouts?
19:21 chris      before its full fare for all of them
19:21 chris      pittsburgh
19:21 chris      with stops in LA (one brother) and NYC (the other brother)
19:21 chris_n    a busy trip then
19:21 chris      she also has a band reunion in pittsburgh
19:21 wizzyrea   my standard reply for that is "you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing"
19:22 chris_n    lol!
19:22 chris      so yup, busy
19:22 wizzyrea   so... what I'm saying is... oh never mind.
19:22 chris      heh
19:22 chris      first one
19:22 wizzyrea   but I am glad you have a good sleeping baby, that's definitely a blessing. :)
19:22 chris_n    @quote add <wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is "you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing"
19:22 munin      chris_n: The operation succeeded.  Quote #87 added.
19:22 chris      laurel made me go sleep in the lounge
19:23 chris      cos i would wake up if i heard something, if i didnt hear something, if a cloud drifted past
19:23 wizzyrea   the second one was all elbows in the rib "Get up and feed the baby!"
19:23 wizzyrea   j/k j/k
19:23 chris_n    we tried to trade off and alternate up times
19:24 chris      hehe, you'll realise how dangerous that would be when you meet laurel wizzyrea :)
19:24 chris      the 2nd one is more 'meh, he'll go back to sleep'
19:24 wizzyrea   HAHA
19:25 brendan    since we're talking about babies..  We found out yesterday - that we are having a Girl
19:25 chris_n    yup, first one was pins and needles... fourth was roll over and go back to sleep
19:25 chris      congrats brendan!!
19:25 wizzyrea   Yay a girl!
19:25 chris_n    brendan++
19:25 wizzyrea   lol chris_n...
19:25 wizzyrea   I am full of snark on this topic, it's so hard to keep it in check
19:25 chris      hehe
19:26 chris      yeah ive seen you on twitter at 3am
19:26 chris      heh
19:26 wizzyrea   :)
19:26 chris_n    our order was: boy, girl, boy, girl
19:26 chris      i wonder if my monkey clock would work for spud?
19:26 chris      kahu has a clock, thats a monkey
19:27 wizzyrea   what is this monkey clock you speak of?
19:27 chris      its eyes close at 7pm
19:27 chris      and open at 7am
19:27 wizzyrea   Aha
19:27 chris      he knows he isnt allowed up until the monkeys eyes are open
19:27 chris      so at precisely 7am every day
19:27 wizzyrea   seriously speaking, he sleeps pretty well now, and both goes to bed and wakes at totally decent hours
19:28 owen       chris: Does it have a weekend mode where it secretly doesn't open its eyes until 9? :)
19:28 chris_n    heh
19:28 wizzyrea   he's only up if he's sick or in a phase or accidentally ate chocolate after 5
19:28 chris      you can change it
19:28 chris      but he sussed it out
19:28 chris      cos he knows where the hands on the clock should point
19:28 owen       Durn kids keep learnin'
19:28 chris      whos dumb idea was it to teach him how to tell time
19:28 chris_n    how about when the battery dies?
19:29 chris      ill let you know when it happens chris_n :)
19:29 wizzyrea   oh snap, sneak in while hes asleep and set it back 2 hours :P
19:29 chris      good plan :)
19:29 wizzyrea   j/k, that's dishonest and not nice
19:29 chris      yeah, 3 is much better
19:29 chris_n    hehe
19:29 wizzyrea   they tell me it's bad form and teaches the wrong lesson to lie to your kids :P
19:30 wizzyrea   like the time I told spud not to throw things at the cat
19:30 chris      heh
19:30 wizzyrea   then I threw a shoe at the cat
19:30 * chris_n  wonders if he is lying to himself when he sets back his clock one timezone to get an extra hour in
19:30 wizzyrea   to keep him from scratching the furniture!
19:30 wizzyrea   poor spud came unhinged
19:30 chris      oh yeah atarau yells at the cat
19:30 chris      got that from me
19:30 wizzyrea   no throw shoes at keekee! Poor Pixel!
19:30 wizzyrea   Use words at cat!
19:31 chris      hehe
19:31 wizzyrea   NO KEEKEE
19:31 wizzyrea   I was like, oh dear, you're right, I should not have thrown a shoe at the cat. >.>
19:31 wizzyrea   he still reminds me of that incident, and it's been like a month
19:31 chris      they remember FOREVER
19:32 chris      and then tell ppl at the worst times
19:32 chris      :)
19:32 wizzyrea   lol
19:33 wizzyrea   (pixel is the cat, in case that wasn't clear)
19:33 joetho     I have reset my clocks to trick my kids, and believe me, you only get to use that one ONCE.
19:34 chris      kahu pulled out 'what the hell?????' at kindergarten the other day (me again im afraid) apparently in perfect context, the kindergarten teachers took great joy in telling me
19:34 wizzyrea   lol
19:34 wizzyrea   yes, I'm afraid we are in for some of that ourselves.
19:34 chris      'i want a juice please', 'you can have water', 'what the hell??'
19:35 wizzyrea   spud told me last night "not yet, one more minute!" when it was time for bed.
19:35 wizzyrea   which, really, I"m sure is nothing huge
19:35 wizzyrea   but it was the 1st time.
19:35 chris_n    ouch... 42 deg C heat index outside
19:35 chris_n    @wunder 28334
19:35 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 35.1�C (3:36 PM EDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling).
19:35 brendan    @wunder 93117
19:35 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (12:37 PM PDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising).
19:35 chris      yikes
19:36 wizzyrea   @wunder 66047
19:36 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 33.1�C (2:40 PM CDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
19:36 chris_n    that humidity is wrong
19:36 chris      @wunder wellington nz
19:36 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 2.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
19:36 chris_n    should be 47%
19:36 chris      2???
19:36 chris_n    trade chris?
19:36 chris      what the hell??????
19:36 brendan    yeah 2 what the hell?
19:36 chris_n    snowing?
19:36 chris_n    or icing?
19:36 brendan    well - I've enjoyed the kid stories - I'll be able to join in a year or so ;)
19:37 chris      :)
19:37 wizzyrea   ^.^
19:37 chris      chris_n: yeah bit of frost
19:37 chris_n    :-)
19:37 owen       brendan: It'll be nice to add another "koha kid" to the roster
19:37 wizzyrea   I won't mind if you come here in 8-9 months and say "OMG kiddo rolled over this morning!"
19:37 chris      yeah, we have a fair few of them now
19:37 brendan    :) I totally agree
19:38 chris      somethng random i found yesterday
19:38 chris      https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/3529472
19:38 jcamins    Just in case any listeners are confused: despite all the children being discussed on #koha, I do not have any plans to have kids.
19:38 chris      i suspect we have the most kids too :)
19:38 jcamins    Okay, carry on.
19:38 chris      heh jcamins
19:40 jcamins    chris: since I just got off the phone with my college roommate, who asked if we were moving into an apartment that had enough space for kids, I thought clarification might be needed.
19:41 chris      :-)
19:42 wizzyrea   < is a former "never" sayer
19:43 chris_n    never say never....
19:47 chris      ok bus time
19:47 chris      bbiab, i thnk i adjusted the aerial on my wifi enough so that i can get wifi at the bus stop :)
19:47 chris      <--- geek
19:47 * chris    wanders off
19:47 larsw      chris :)
19:48 wizzyrea   lars!
19:48 wizzyrea   hi :)
19:48 larsw      greetings
19:48 pianohack  Hi
19:53 chris      Yep it works
19:54 jcamins    larsw: how's NYC?
19:54 chris      larsw: chilts last day today
19:54 larsw      jcamins, hot and smelly
19:54 larsw      chilts, good luck! I hope to see you before I leave NZ again
19:55 jcamins    larsw: Sounds like NYC.
19:55 chris      Yeah we should definitely do a few lunches before you head off
19:56 chris      Man it really is 2 out here
19:57 jcamins    larsw: are you staying in Manhattan?
19:57 larsw      yes
19:57 * chris_n  will take 2 C right now if he could get it :-P
19:58 jcamins    Well, looking on the plus side, at least you're not so far out.
19:58 * jcamins  would also be happy for an ambient temperature of 2 C
19:59 chris_n    check this out food lovers: http://foodbeast.com/content/2010/02/13/bacon-cheese-turtleburger/
20:00 chris_n    if that doesn't make your heart scream nothing will
20:01 chris      Heh
20:02 jcamins    chris_n: just looking at that is giving me high cholesterol for the first time in my life.
20:09 JeremyLC   that makes my chest hurt just looking at it
20:09 chris      It makes me thirsty
20:10 briceSanc  Hi JeremyLC, I talked with Sekjal about the checkout by hour
20:10 pianohack  What's the quickest way to create a debian package from a source tree retrieved by apt-get source, then modified?
20:11 pianohack  (building a customized ghostscript to support a printer driver)
20:11 briceSanc  we are very interested by develop this feature
20:11 briceSanc  before the end of August
20:11 chris      The best way
20:11 chris      Is make a patch for you mod
20:12 chris      Put in in the patches dir
20:12 pianohack  okay, that's cool
20:12 chris      And the debuild -uc
20:13 pianohack  thanks, that's probably worth the time for this project. Are there any quicker hacks to do it in the future, if I'm in a hurry?
20:13 JeremyLC   briceSanc , have you already started on it, then?
20:13 chris      Or something very similair I can check in 20 mins when I'm at my desk
20:13 briceSanc  no
20:13 chris      Diff will make you a patch
20:13 pianohack  chris: cool
20:14 chris      With the right switches
20:14 chris      Larsw can tell you if I'm speaking crap :)
20:16 JeremyLC   that would be a faster schedule than we could do here, we'll be doing some hardware upgrades (Apple lease renewal) and it would be right at the beginning of our fall semester (begins Aug. 26)
20:16 larsw      in principle, it should be enough to just modify the files and then run "debuild -us -uc", it usually does the right thing and creates the patch automatically; this is sufficiently good for local use, at least
20:16 chris      After his great talk on packaging I aim to package everything
20:16 larsw      chris, yay :)
20:16 chris      Ahh cool thanks larsw
20:17 pianohack  larsw: thanks
20:17 sekjal     JeremyLC: do you have specific requirements for what hourly circulation would need to do for your institution?
20:20 JeremyLC   sekjal: we need to be able to track how long a given patron has a given item and be able, later, to generate reports showing their cumulative usage
20:20 sekjal     cumulative usage per item, or of all items?
20:21 JeremyLC   sekjal: all items
20:22 JeremyLC   sekjal: we are a media lab (we have DVDs, CDs, VHS, etc.) and certain students are required to spend x-hours per week watching/listening in our lab, so we track how long they have a given item and that is counted as their time
20:23 sekjal     JeremyLC: an interesting report... not one I'd think to run in a book-based library.  but certainly do-able
20:23 sekjal     so long as the checkin and checkout times are recorded, which they darn well better be
20:23 chris      Yup they are
20:24 chris      They are datetime fields iirc, just datedue isnt
20:25 JeremyLC   they are, in al the versions of Koha I've looked at, date fields
20:25 JeremyLC   (even the 3.2 beta)
20:25 sekjal     yeah, I've identified a bunch of tables in Koha that'll need to have their dates changed to datetimes
20:25 sekjal     issues, reserves and items (and their old/deleted counterparts) mostly
20:26 chris      Ill have to check I might be think of statistics
20:26 JeremyLC   so, no time recorded, just date
20:26 chris      Which records issues and returns with timestamps
20:26 chris      My stop
20:27 JeremyLC   also, we do have a 4-hour checkout limit for students (1 week for professors)
20:30 chris      ah yep, you could do the report from statistics currently
20:30 chris      but we still want those fields changed :)
20:32 JeremyLC   oh?
20:33 chris      try a select * from statistics where type='issue' limit 2;
20:33 JeremyLC   we could give up the 4-hour limit (call it 1-day and be done), since it has, in practice, never come up as an issue
20:34 chris      ditto for return
20:34 sekjal     JeremyLC: do you charge fines for late materials, and if so, how frequently do they accrue?
20:35 chris      so with a couple of subqueries you could get hte data from statistics, would be much cleaner to get it from issues table itself though
20:35 JeremyLC   sekjal: no fines, even though we would really love to
20:37 JeremyLC   Hmm... :) This sounds like good news for us
20:37 pastebot   "chris" at pasted "sample of output from statistics" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34
20:39 JeremyLC   that would do it
20:39 JeremyLC   that's very nice to find out
20:40 chris      i use statistics to show the busy times in the library etc
20:40 chris      but no reason you cant use it for other things, thats what its for :)
20:41 JeremyLC   that leaves us with a minor LDAP issue to resolve and we're good
20:41 wizzyrea   chris if you are walking I hope you're looking where you are going
20:41 wizzyrea   lol
20:41 chris      heh, naw at my desk now
20:41 JeremyLC   (we need rebinding for authentication)
20:41 * wizzyrea imagines chris bumping into things for the sake of #koha
20:43 chris      not after what happened last time
20:43 chris      morning alan, thought you were on leave?
20:43 briceSanc  Bye everyone, see you tomorrow
20:44 chris      cya briceSanc
20:44 sekjal     bye, briceSanc
20:48 JeremyLC   is it possible to add our own custom authentication module?
20:50 richard    hi
20:50 chris      you could use the CAS stuff JeremyLC
20:51 chris      have you looked into that?
20:52 JeremyLC   as in Auth_with_cas.pm ?
20:53 chris      yeah koha can use a CAS server to authenticate
20:53 JeremyLC   I was thinking we could either add re-binding as a configurable option to the existing Auth_with_LDAP or create our own Auth_with_CEDAR as a unique module
20:54 chris      i think the former would be better
20:54 JeremyLC   (CEDAR == our uni's implementation of LDAP)
20:54 chris      having it as a configuration option would make for less overhead with 2 mostly identical code bases
20:55 JeremyLC   we also need the option to use LDAP with SSL
20:55 chris      definitely, i think most ppl would like that
20:55 JeremyLC   (non-optional, the infosec office and uni. policy require it)
20:55 chris      as they should
20:57 JeremyLC   agreed
20:58 JeremyLC   relatedly, why doesn't the Koha admin/staff interface use https by default? (fairly simple to setup, though)
20:59 JeremyLC   brb
21:00 sekjal     time for me to go.  have a good rest of your day, #koha!
21:00 pianohack  bye, sek
21:03 JeremyLC   back
21:08 chris      JeremyLC: mainly cos of the setting up certificates out of hte box, but yes we should strong recommend ppl do it
21:09 chris      http://nzoss.org.nz/news/2010/rachel-hamilton-williams-elected-president
21:09 JeremyLC   due to FERPA, it's pretty much required in an academic environment (if I understand correctly)
21:09 wizzyrea   in our version, over https:// the import/z searching doesn't work
21:10 wizzyrea   but it seems to be fixed in 3.2.
21:10 wizzyrea   (but we don't have that)
21:11 JeremyLC   we haven't gotten far enough to test, we've been stymied by the hourly loans / statistics, but that seems to really be a non-issue
22:14 JeremyLC   time to go home
22:14 chris      spotya later