Time  Nick      Message
23:47 chris     noice
23:47 robin     The process is now down to 10 minutes :)
23:46 * robin   has deployed the latest Koha packages
23:37 chris     sweet
23:36 * robin   prepares to build the latest Koha packages
22:14 Nate      gnight all
21:24 cait      bye #koha
20:26 chris     Ahh stay away from that
20:26 * richard at home today - flu alert at hq
20:26 richard   hey chris
20:26 chris     Hi richard
20:25 richard   hi
20:24 chris     Ur in nyc now?
20:20 chris     Heya larsw
20:19 cait      hi larsw
20:19 * larsw   waves
20:12 cait      :)
20:11 chris     You guys are gonna have a fun road trip
20:11 chris     Hehe
20:11 * cait    feels like I am using his word
20:11 cait      where is magnus?
20:10 cait      yay :)
20:10 chris     Yay
20:09 cait      relieved now
20:09 cait      only took 1 hour for search... :)
20:08 chris     Cool
20:08 cait      :) finally found my old passport
20:08 chris_n   hehe
20:08 chris     I always panic if I think its gonna be a big news day
20:07 munin     chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 34.0�C (4:00 PM EDT on July 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
20:07 chris_n   @wunder 28334
20:06 chris     Ahh open again, traffic accident I think :(
20:05 * chris   checks stuff
20:04 chris     Hmm police have adelaide rd blocked
20:04 munin     cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (10:00 PM CEST on July 28, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
20:04 cait      @wunder Konstanz
20:03 chris     Hmm this day could go either way
20:02 munin     chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
20:02 chris     @wunder wellington,nz
19:54 cait      hi chris
19:53 wizzyrea  heya
19:52 chris     Morning
18:56 mRCUTEO   tough luck :(
18:56 mRCUTEO   my oh my thanks for the info jcamins.. i just figured out i needed 5.10 after i try to view it on the web
18:55 jcamins   Yes.
18:54 mRCUTEO   then i have to redo all the cpan installation?
18:54 mRCUTEO   yerp have tu find perl 5.10 rpm :(
18:54 jcamins   rpm, maybe?
18:54 mRCUTEO   im using centos
18:53 jcamins   I think you have to install a newer version of perl using your platform's package manager.
18:53 mRCUTEO   or should i recompile new perl
18:53 mRCUTEO   jcamins is there a way i can upgrade my perl from CPAN ?
18:52 jcamins   mRCUTEO: I think you have to use Perl 5.10 or later.
18:50 mRCUTEO   Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Overdues.pm line 24.
18:50 mRCUTEO   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Date/Manip.pm line 55.
18:50 mRCUTEO   Can't locate feature.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Date/Manip.pm line 55.
18:49 mRCUTEO   i already fullfiled all the dependencies needed
18:49 mRCUTEO   and i got this message
18:49 mRCUTEO   i open http://localhost:8080
18:48 wizzyrea  what are you trying to do when you get this message
18:47 mRCUTEO   anyone can assist?
18:47 mRCUTEO   Can't locate feature.pm in @INC (@
18:47 mRCUTEO   im trying to install koha using perl 5.8 and i got this error:
18:47 mRCUTEO   anyone available for help
18:46 mRCUTEO   hi
18:45 reva      sekjal: will catch up later. I find the authority search brings up the clickable links for both "see also" and "see from", but no links on the general search on Home page. Bye and Thanks.
18:42 sekjal    reva: sorry, have to dash.  will hopefully be back on later
18:12 reva      sekjal: that is ok, I am here for a couple of more hours:).
18:11 sekjal    reva: sorry, one moment please
18:05 reva      sekjal: that is pre-set Personal Name heading.
18:04 reva      sekjal: so I must set something which I have not. But I only used the pere-set 500 field (see also, I believe) for tying (sp?) to 100 field Main entry. Can you long distance diagnose why it is not working for me?
18:00 sekjal    reva: my testing shows that I'm getting used for/see from info for authorities in the staff client authority search
17:58 sekjal    reva: it's possible.  I'm running some tests now
17:54 reva      sekjal: so would I see them only on the OPAC search?
17:54 reva      Oh, I should say I was in the staff client, because we have not virtual tested the OPAC client.
17:53 reva      I used the general search box that comes up on the Home screen and on the authority search also. My entry for the variants of the author's name shows up in both the searches. But no clickable "see from" links etc.
17:50 sekjal    reva: which search are you using: biblio or authority, and which side: OPAC or staff client?
17:49 reva      sekjal: about the clickable links for "see from" and "see also" in the hit list? How do I have them show up. Right now, when I test it with the authority data I created (personal name heading) it works and finds the author through all the access points, but there are no "see also" entry showing up on the hit list.
17:46 jcamins   One day I will get Ubuntu's straight, too. :)
17:46 jcamins   Even though I started using Ubuntu a while ago, the only directory structure I have memorized is FreeBSD's.
17:45 sekjal    jcamins: the Live CD is based on Ubuntu, which should put a dev install under /home/**user**/**directory**
17:45 reva      sekjal: Ok, I will try it thre and if no successful locating it, I will contact the developer, mizst of this CD. and find out.
17:44 jcamins   I don't actually know where home directories are under Linux, so you might need to look elsewhere.
17:43 jcamins   Try /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/ ...
17:43 reva      sekjal: When I installed it the LiveCD in VirtualBox, it did not give me any choice as to mode. So I guess I need to install it on my hard drive to find this directory?
17:43 jcamins   reva, sekjal: I think the LiveCD has a dev install. The LiveCD for 3.0.2 did.
17:42 sekjal    since this is the Live CD, I'm not sure where the files would be
17:42 sekjal    or wherever you downloaded the code initially
17:42 sekjal    dev mode typically has the files living in something like /home/koha/kohaclone...
17:40 sekjal    or there is dev mode, which just refers to the code from the unzipped or git-cloned directory immediately
17:40 reva      joetho: you bet you; there are two of 3.0.6 and mizst has older version ones on Live CD as well. The 3.0.6 comes with Ubuntu server 10.04. We had to go this route since we are running Windows and we wanted to test it on virtualization.
17:40 sekjal    reva: when Koha is installed, there is an option to use the production mode (which copies all the Koha files to new locations, typically /usr/share/koha... and /etc/koha...)
17:38 joetho    how cool is THAT?
17:38 joetho    there is a Koha live-cd?
17:37 sekjal    briceSanc:  ah, okay.  sorry for my misunderstanding.
17:37 reva      sekjal: I installed Koha Live CD and it is on VirtualBox right now; This Live Cd is by mizst,: http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. The features I have tested work ok so far.  We hope to be installing it on our hard disk soon for production.
17:36 briceSanc ;)
17:36 briceSanc sekjal, yes, i know. I' m a french-canadian user of Koha and my english is not perfect, i should wrote :  every job's done will be proposed to the Koha community
17:34 sekjal    reva: do you have a production or dev installation?
17:34 reva      sekjal: Sorry for being ignorant. Where would I find the directory?
17:33 sekjal    briceSanc: I believe only the release managers and maintainers have push access
17:33 sekjal    briceSanc: generally, the way new developments brought into the Koha Git repository is through patches submitted to the patches list, or pull requests.
17:32 sekjal    reva: from the directory, you can run perl bulkauthimport.pl -h to see the usage for the script
17:31 reva      sekjar: so I just use the location in the command to run it? what is the command line syntax for running it?
17:30 briceSanc push
17:30 briceSanc sekjal, i have to follow the request of my customer but every job's done is pull to the Koha GIT
17:29 sekjal    reva:  the script lives in misc/migration_tools
17:29 reva      sekjal: I am familiar with Unix and so command line interface. So where would I find the bulkimport script? Also the clickable "see also" and "see from" links in the search hit list question.
17:26 sekjal    the authorities will need to be in .mrc
17:26 sekjal    reva: for the import of LOC authority data, you'll need to do it from the command line with the bulkauthimport.pl script
17:25 reva      hi anyone? can you help with the two questions that I just asked chris_n? Thanks.
17:20 sekjal    briceSanc: I'd recommend working out a full set of requirements for exactly what the system needs to do with hourly circulation periods, and sending that to the Koha listserv
17:19 reva      chris_n: I have created some authority using personal name heading on my own and they work fine, it is just that there are no clickable "see also" links showing up on the hit list.
17:18 briceSanc sekjal, i have nothing apart a fresh install of Koha 3.2beta
17:17 reva      hello chris_n: remember me from Antigua and barbuda Bureau of Standards. I have installed Koha 3.0.6 using a Live CD/Virtual Box install to give it a test run. I have figured out some stuff. But would like help with 1) how to import LOC authority data into Koha 2) how I would have clickable "see from" and "see also" entries in my search hit list. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
17:16 sekjal    anywhere the Koha community could access to read, I mean
17:16 sekjal    briceSanc: do you have them written down anywhere?
17:14 briceSanc my features are similar
17:09 sekjal    stands for Request for Comment (I believe)
17:08 sekjal    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hourly_circulation_policies_RFC
17:08 briceSanc i don't know what is RFC
17:07 sekjal    briceSanc: are you implementing the RFC that was originally written for Koha 3.2, or are you doing it a different way?
17:06 briceSanc thanks sekjal
17:05 briceSanc and i want to know something : if i create a new syspref record in circulation.pref. Do i need to add new entries in the  .../installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sysprefs.sql ?
17:04 sekjal    briceSanc: that's a pretty big enhancement
17:02 munin     04Bug 5038: enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Checkout by hour
17:02 briceSanc I'm working on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5038
17:01 briceSanc Hello all
17:01 mib_75qq2 your prob gone - but that is what the problem was!
16:57 wizzyrea  :)
16:57 wizzyrea  if you didn't install the default data, you probably don't have any
16:57 mib_75qq2 thanks, will do
16:57 wizzyrea  ^^ check to make sure you have borrower categories defined
16:56 kf        sorry, I have to leave now. getting late here.
16:54 kf        borrower categories defined?
16:50 mib_75qq2 3.06
16:45 kf        mib_75qq2: which version? have you defined borrower categories under administration?
16:43 kf        which version are you running?
16:40 mib_75qq2 No info in the logs, the browser just sites there, doing nothing!
16:39 mib_75qq2 Hello, would anyknow hazard a guess as to why when I am here (http://78.137.168.89:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl) and click the NEW button, nothing happens??
15:49 druthb    good to be back, thanks. :)
15:48 kf        druthb: glad you are back
15:48 kf        fredericd: It seems staged marc import does not change the ISBN. Not sure if there is a difference between MARC21 and UNIMARC, we use MARC21.
15:47 druthb    The office was down all day Monday, and part of yesterday, too, so no sense coming in...
15:47 kf        oh
15:47 druthb    We had a fierce storm here Sunday that took out power to about 300K people in the area.  My home will be without power until Thursday night late, most likely.  :/
15:45 kf        where have you been? :)
15:45 kf        hi druthb!
15:34 hdl       hi druthb
15:34 druthb    hi, #koha! :)
15:34 hdl       But  there would be an impact in the import rate I think doing the process before.
15:32 hdl       bulkmarcimport should import data and not try to process them.
15:32 hdl       I quite agree with you.
15:31 hdl       actually bulkmarcimport is now being used with to many options and is doing manythings.
15:30 sekjal    fredericd: that sounds reasonable
15:29 fredericd If you want to normalize do it before importing
15:29 fredericd My point of view is that bulkmarcimport.pl shouldn't be use to do too many thing, link normalizing biblio records.
15:27 fredericd hdl: oui
15:24 hdl       fredericd: ?
15:23 sekjal    it would make sense to me to store a 'normalized' version in the database, but leave the MARC field alone (or provide plugins to massage it however one may like)
15:23 fredericd both since db isbn is a copy of marc field
15:22 sekjal    I assume we're talking about dashes in the MARC, not in the biblioitems.isbn field of the database?
15:22 wizzyrea  but I usppose you could use marcedit for that
15:21 wizzyrea  insert dashes if none exist and you want them, or remove them if you have them and don't want them
15:21 fredericd 'standardize'?
15:21 wizzyrea  or all 3
15:20 wizzyrea  or an option to standardize them
15:20 wizzyrea  what it really needs is an option to leave them or remove them
15:19 fredericd but I have librarians who think differently
15:19 fredericd Removing dashed in entering biblio records could be seen as a feature
15:19 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5067 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, bulkmarcimport.pl import script removes dashes in ISBN fields
15:19 fredericd hdl: we've already talked about bug 5067.
13:53 hdl       in french and polish to
13:52 hdl       installer/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_notices_message_attributes.sql
13:52 munin     hdl: The operation succeeded.
13:52 hdl       @later tell nengard bug 3670 doesnot seem to be pushed (bug is till in the code)
13:44 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3670 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Why is DUE all caps on enhanced messages
13:44 nengard   can anyone tell me if the patch for bug 3670 was ever pushed? i don't see a record of it being pushed - and it's such a tini tiny fix :)
13:34 kf        thx
13:28 hdl       should be ok in 3.0
13:27 kf        hdl: I know it is fixed in head, but was not sure its ok to close the bug because of the version it refers to
13:27 hdl       So should not be a problem
13:26 hdl       kf: looks like the preference search is not case sensitive.
13:26 hdl       kf: can't reproduce it.
13:19 nengard   i'm no expert, but i've used it
13:14 indradg   any MarcEdit users around?
13:11 indradg   gmcharlt, ping
12:48 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3046 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, System ignores MaxFine syspref
12:48 kf        hdl: do you know if  bug 3046 fixed in 3.0.x? can I close the bug? the Version says rel_3_0
12:48 nengard   hdl it's not 9am here yet
12:45 munin     kf: owen was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 32 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <owen> See y'all tomorrow
12:45 kf        @seen owen
12:44 hdl       no owen today ?
12:43 kf        booked yesterday, so I still know - will start my journey on 19th
12:40 nengard   mine is booked to i arrive on the 22nd or 23rd - i forget now ;)
12:40 nengard   woo hoo :)
12:40 kf        nengard: really happy I can attend :)
12:39 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3507 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Circ rules enhancements, maximum fine warning
12:39 jwagner   kf, Bug 3507 :-)
12:38 kf        yes, will be at the road trip first
12:38 kf        max fines in circ rules - want it! :)
12:38 nengard   for kohacon?
12:37 kf        nengard: zürich - london - bangkok - sydney - auckland :)
12:37 jwagner   I'd say it could be closed.  One of our features has max fines in the circ rules instead, and I think there's other development along those lines.
12:37 nengard   kf which flight booked?
12:36 kf        I did a lot of fines testing but never saw that problem again, do you think we can close the bug? or perhaps change it to enhancemnt because of the suggestions for better fines management in the comments?
12:35 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3046 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, System ignores MaxFine syspref
12:35 kf        hi jwagner: looking at bug 3046
12:35 jwagner   Hi kf
12:34 kf        jwagner: around?
12:33 chris_n   g'morning
12:33 munin     magnus: Karma for "magnus" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
12:32 magnus    @karma magnus
12:29 magnus    yay!
12:29 kf        magnus: flight is booked now - will arrive 21st at 3 pm :)
12:28 kf        :)
12:28 magnus    ooh, thanks!
12:27 kf        magnus++ #for his cheery mood and optimism ;)
12:27 kf        recreating the templates did it - perhaps some recent change fixed the problem
12:26 magnus    yay!
12:25 kf        nengard: closing bug :)
12:18 kf        nengard: cant change framework in German templates, but with English templates no problem
12:18 kf        nengard: appears to be a translation problem
12:15 kf        nengard: can you test with a fast add to change framework to default in the marc view from catalog?
12:13 kf        so what was different for the first record?
12:13 kf        change framework to default - works
12:13 kf        edit record from catalog's normal view
12:12 kf        go to cataloging - new record - choose fast add framework - add 245 and save
12:11 kf        let me see if I can reproduce your steps
12:11 kf        oh I hate bugs like this
12:11 kf        I am superlibrarian too
12:10 kf        Its always changing back to fast add
12:10 kf        let me check
12:10 nengard   i'm also logged in as superlibrarian - if that makes a diff
12:09 nengard   yes
12:09 kf        did you save your record before editing it?
12:08 kf        mine kept switching back to default
12:08 nengard   so it doesn't look like it's a bug for me - unless i did something diff from you
12:08 kf        strange
12:08 nengard   and it changed to default - i saved and all the values were there
12:07 nengard   it was set to fast add framework still so i chose default from the list
12:07 nengard   i found the record and imported it
12:07 nengard   i clicked edit record and then did a z39.50 search
12:07 nengard   i created a record with fast add framework
12:07 nengard   kf okay i just tested
12:03 kf        only mandatory
12:03 kf        I only have default and fast add - not all frameworks installed
12:02 nengard   not just default
12:02 nengard   kf i saw that but i thought you couldn't change to any template
12:01 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4513 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Resetting framework to Default seems impossible
12:01 kf        bug 4513
12:00 kf        thank you :)
12:00 nengard   give me a sec and i'll test
11:59 kf        nengard: can you test perhaps? I can not change the framework from fast add to standard in cataloging. when I open the file in marc view (catalog) and change pulldown to standard it shows nothing
11:59 nengard   sorry - the bug database
11:59 kf        nengard: not seeing it in the bug database or in your installation?
11:58 kf        good night chris
11:58 chris     ok time for sleep
11:57 nengard   i'm not seeing it....
11:56 nengard   not one i reported, but i'll search
11:55 kf        nengard: is there a bug about the framework problem?
11:55 kf        :)
11:55 * magnus  thinks watching stuff like this happening in real time is pretty amazing - that's one bug solved by people in germany, us & nz! 
11:55 chris     it can always be reopened
11:55 chris     to close bugs if they cant replicate
11:54 chris     and developers should not be scared
11:54 nengard   thanks for testing all - we always need to test each other's bug reports cause it's not always a bug for everyone :)
11:53 magnus    yay!
11:53 chris     cool
11:52 nengard   right and i closed it
11:51 chris     i cant replicate it
11:51 chris     can we confirm that the original bug is no longer occuring?
11:51 chris     so back on track
11:50 nengard   that is not only differnet - but very obvious to those cataloging
11:49 chris     overloadng bug reports is my biggest pet peeve :-)
11:49 chris     yeah thats a totally different thing
11:49 kf        but the pull down it set back to fast add
11:49 kf        started z39.50 search - want to change the framework now, because it's no longer a fast add
11:48 kf        chris/nengard: added a fast add, saved, waited until indexed, searched for it, edit record from detail screen
11:48 kf        chris: we must be driving you crazy :)
11:47 chris     on the edit screen, shoud be able to change it on the top right
11:47 chris     which was a small record, now its a full record
11:47 kf        is there a way to do it?
11:47 kf        can not change the framework :(
11:47 chris     you shouldnt need to test, if you record changed it worked ie i edited biblio number 256
11:46 kf        hm I started with a fast add
11:46 chris     works there too
11:46 nengard   i do test on more than one system usually - but probably didn't in this case
11:46 chris     tried from editing
11:46 nengard   chris you are right!!!!!!! see this is why i need people to check my bugs
11:44 kf        testing too, waiting for my record to be indexed
11:44 chris     and ill test from the edit page
11:44 chris     try that
11:44 chris     so the workaround is do the z3950 search from the detail.pl page
11:44 nengard   i'll try again - i'd love for it not to be a problem!!!!
11:44 chris     trying from the edit screen itself
11:43 chris     from detail.pl it works (doing the search there)
11:43 chris     i just did one and it edited it not added a new one
11:41 chris     hmm it works for me
11:40 chris     ill look
11:38 kf        hm, workaround: add new records, move items, delete record
11:38 nengard   both? oh - both files... k - hang on fixing a problem I can fix :)
11:37 kf        and they will not do that
11:37 chris     nengard: both
11:37 nengard   until you're brought to the record that has no items ...
11:37 nengard   it's not obvious unless you're looking at the top of the page
11:37 nengard   kf it changes the header on the page from Editing to Adding
11:37 chris     it is breaking a major function in koha
11:36 chris     it could be major or critical
11:36 kf        ok, will go and try myelf :)
11:33 kf        is it obvious that it creates a new record? or do you find out later while searching?
11:33 kf        yep
11:33 nengard   kf - and it was there before
11:33 nengard   as for checking the file - which file? the z search or the cataloging file?
11:33 kf        its something you need in cataloging - and there is no work around
11:32 kf        I m with nengard
11:32 nengard   it's blocking us from being able to do what we need to do for our job - see that's how i see a blocker - and so that's why i never know if it's a blocker
11:32 chris     if you want to track it down do a git log on the files it calls, and see if you can find when it was changed, then you might be able to spot a likely culprit
11:31 chris     its critical tho
11:31 chris     no its not a blocker
11:31 nengard   is it big enough to say it's a blocker - i never know for sure what a blocker is
11:31 chris     you could do a git log on the file
11:28 kf        not sure it's easy to fix - but its a really bad bug for us. all our libraries are trained to overlay fast adds with z39.50 f
11:27 munin     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4961 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Can't overlay catalog records
11:27 nengard   hey all - can anyone find an easy fix to bug 4961  (I'm still thinking optomistically
11:21 kf        no, I understand :)
11:21 chris     along with writing KOHA :)
11:21 chris     sorry pet peeve of mine
11:21 kf        ah
11:20 chris     3.0.6
11:18 kf        hm?
11:18 chris     needs another . tho :)
11:17 kf        ok, found my wiki password - I think the 3.06 part works
11:16 chris     sounds good
11:14 kf        document the part about standard installs there?
11:14 kf        there is a wiki page about adding new languages - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
11:00 kf        hope you are right - I m really looking forward to the dev conf
10:57 chris     its really not that bad, it is a 100 times easier to see it in action and try it with someone looking over your shoulder than reading about it
10:57 kf        although I m sure I will learn a lot - but was thinking about more basic things :)
10:55 kf        hmpf. you are very optimistic
10:50 chris     oh, we can definitely cover that
10:50 kf        some levels below automated builds :)
10:50 kf        I would like to learn how to merge branches and solve conflicts
10:49 chris     fredericd: ... it is ... we plan some good git tips and tricks to, including automated builds
10:49 chris     you are a fast learner, and we have some good teachers coming along
10:49 chris     oh, im sure you can kf
10:48 kf        my coworker does the server administation here. We talkes about some major changes for 3.2 - changing from standard install to the packages or a dev install
10:48 kf        chris: not sure I can learn all that during the dev conference - you say I am a developer, but I have still very little programming and linux knowledge.
10:48 fredericd chris: This packages stuff seems to be a good argument to come to koha conf...
10:47 kf        fredericd: thx for your help. sorry, that it took so long to figure out the problem.
10:46 chris     update the translations test, then installed the tested packages on all the machines
10:46 chris     id still do that with packages
10:46 kf        just a possibility to update installations with po files from pootle
10:45 chris     eventually the translations will be their own package
10:45 kf        but not sure we want to have our own packages -
10:45 chris     its actually not very hard at all, because of the scripts lars and robin have written
10:45 chris     you'll learn at the dev conference
10:44 kf        testing - ok, but I have no idea about package management
10:44 kf        uh, I have no idea how to do that
10:44 chris     you upgrade the packages on your production machine
10:44 chris     then if it passes
10:44 chris     yup, you do the updates in testing kf, then roll them out to a staging environment (in a new package)
10:43 chris     for our hosted users anyway
10:43 kf        we will want to update translation in production systems - getting rid of all the typos
10:43 fredericd my opinion is that as soon as you have to tweak anything in your koha instance, templates, perl file, translation, you need to run a devel instance
10:43 chris     for production
10:43 chris     i use the packages
10:42 kf        what do you think is the way to go? we talked about using the debian packages - is this for standard users too and git is the way to go for developers?
10:42 chris     soon, translations will be packaged
10:42 kf        ok
10:42 chris     none of us in here are standard users
10:41 chris     you are a developer
10:41 kf        hmpf. :)
10:41 chris     they install, and use
10:40 chris     they dont update translations for a start :)
10:40 kf        our production systems are standard installations - because we thought that was the way to go
10:40 fredericd good question...
10:40 kf        fredericd: what is a standard koha user?
10:40 kf        ok, at least I know now where the problem is
10:40 fredericd kf: you're not a standart koha user. You have to run a devel installation
10:39 kf        I'm improving them all the time
10:39 fredericd so update your installation
10:39 kf        but I think there are many reasons you might want to update your translations
10:39 fredericd yes
10:39 kf        because they get the templates from the tarball - if they choose the big version
10:38 fredericd kf: It's not a feature for standart install. In a standart install, people will not execute this script
10:38 chris     ie, download the tarball and install from there
10:38 chris     that needs to be fixed, 99% of ppl will run standard
10:38 kf        now we even have features that don't work with standard
10:37 kf        are there any advantages using a standard install?
10:37 chris     you could run it in the git repo, and copy it over
10:36 kf        ok, so perhaps we need to document that it will not work with a standard install :(
10:36 kf        Im not sure what he did to translate the sys pref files - and it did not work.
10:36 chris     right
10:35 kf        but it does not work for system preferences
10:35 kf        chris: I think thats what he did
10:35 chris     you can do it with the tmpl_process3.pl instead of using translate in standard (the old way)
10:34 chris     kf: he wrote it, so i'll believe him :)
10:34 kf        fredericd: did you test?
10:34 kf        hm
10:33 kf        I think he did something in the configuration so they are always set - but will go back and ask him - give me a min
10:33 fredericd 'translate' script doesn't work with standard installation, only with devel install
10:33 chris     you are sure KOHA_CONF was set before he ran the translate eh?
10:33 kf        it...
10:32 kf        he did work out a patch, but a strange one
10:32 chris     it uses that to work out the paths to the template files
10:32 kf        hi chris
10:32 kf        he send me part of the error message, see my paste
10:32 chris     you exported KOHA_CONF ?
10:31 kf        no, the problem occurs in a standard installation
10:30 fredericd Are both of those Koha instances development installations?
10:30 kf        http://paste.koha-community.org/32
10:29 kf        why does "perl translate install de-DE" work for me, but not in our standard install? there are a lot of error messages and wrong paths
10:29 kf        yes, but another problem
10:29 fredericd so you have an explanation...
10:29 kf        it's slightly older than dev, last update 2 weeks ago Koha Version: 3.01.00.142
10:28 kf        fredericd: after talking to my coworker it seems that he was not able to use the translate script, so he did use another script or process
10:28 fredericd On which version is you standard install?
10:28 kf        fredericd: the text is not translated at all, and when I change something its yes or no in the database
10:27 kf        fredericd: I think the problem is different. In our standard install the translation of sys prefs has a major problem that does not occur in my dev install
10:25 kf        fredericd: in my dev install its 0 or 1, all ok there, let me check again to be sure in our standard install
10:24 fredericd kf: There is just one test which matter. Switch your koha interface into German. Modify a boolean syspref and after that check that you haven't a yes/no in the DB.
10:20 kf        fredericd: I use the same po files in my dev installtion . everything reight there
10:07 fredericd You should have 0/1
10:07 fredericd kf: In your .po file, what do you have? 0 or no / 1 or yes?
10:05 kf        hm, ok. I checked the po files - sys pref po file is older than the rest. perhaps my coworker forgot to get a new file from pootle when he updated the server installation
10:04 kf        I was testing hidelostitems in different installations
10:02 kf        searching :)
10:02 kf        mom
10:01 fredericd Could you give a specific .pref file and a systempreference?
10:00 kf        it's "no" and "yes" instead of "" and "1" - the english file is always yes and no - why are the translated files different?
09:59 kf        the difference between this installation and my dev installation is standard vs. dev install and updated from 3.01.61 vs. much later install from head
09:59 fredericd Do you have an example? I will compare with French .po file
09:58 kf        I jsut have no idea why it is wrong
09:58 kf        but the pref file is the problem
09:58 kf        I have
09:58 fredericd you should update your systempreferences table
09:58 fredericd I thing it can't occur anymore
09:57 fredericd not good
09:57 kf        I have a installation where I get no and yes values in the database
09:57 kf        frederic: I wonder about the yes/no values in the sys prefs
09:55 kf        frederic: hi frederic
09:49 fredericd kf: hello
09:17 kf        fredericd: around?
08:12 magnus    hi hdl
08:11 kf        hi hdl
08:11 chris     hi hdl
08:07 hdl       hi
07:52 chris     :)
07:52 magnus    good time of the day, chris
07:52 chris     evening
07:27 kf        morning magnus
07:23 magnus    hiya kf & #koha
07:10 kf        hi #kooha
03:23 chris     hi Amit
03:22 Amit      hi chris
00:41 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5046 - fix the zebra authorities configuration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1616127bdcfd7d765d7f73cce54cae5609e3a7f>
00:31 munin     New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'origin/new/bug3756_reenable_local_sysprefs' of git://git.tamil.fr/git... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e31837759002fe8b2b807079c8d1f1ca2e24085> / Bug 3756 Don't display as local AutoSelfCheckID syspref and others <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec3913e1aabe28bc5dd43c3af401a7e2bf80f677>
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